| 00:04.07 | brlcad | heh, yay, new stats system due "within days" is only a week and a half away now |
| 00:04.19 | RPG_ | what new stats system? |
| 00:05.07 | brlcad | sf.net stats system |
| 00:05.13 | trepan | RPG_: the map lights aren't in CVS yet anyways... |
| 00:05.26 | RPG_ | darn |
| 00:05.48 | RPG_ | when will they be out? |
| 00:05.48 | trepan | later |
| 00:05.59 | RPG_ | ok |
| 00:06.04 | RPG_ | i'll wait :) |
| 00:06.06 | wegstar | RPG is probably brimming with ideas |
| 00:06.08 | wegstar | :0 |
| 00:06.19 | RPG_ | i am |
| 00:06.25 | RPG_ | every city needs lights! |
| 00:06.31 | RPG_ | well, g2g play! |
| 00:07.14 | brlcad | the new stats algorithm does sound like quite an improvement |
| 00:07.21 | brlcad | gaim will no longer be king |
| 00:32.32 | menotume | i shouldn't have installed ATI's driver :( |
| 00:32.51 | menotume | any1 have an idea where to look ..... |
| 00:32.52 | menotume | X Error of failed request: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation) |
| 00:32.52 | menotume | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:33.02 | menotume | etc, when trying to run bzflag |
| 00:33.34 | menotume | I reinstalled X11, mesa and nvidia driver |
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| 00:36.19 | menotume | xdpyinfo shows VidModeExtension is there :( |
| 00:37.17 | trepan | try starting bzflag with -window, and reset your resolution from there |
| 00:38.04 | menotume | ahh, okies, thx |
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| 00:39.07 | elwin | I have a server question I was hoping someone could answer |
| 00:40.23 | DTRemenak | gotta ask it before anyone can answer it |
| 00:40.34 | DTRemenak | oh, and hi |
| 00:40.58 | brlcad | the scheduled sf.net changes sound impressive.. |
| 00:41.01 | menotume | trepan: that seems to work, but it isn't persistant (next invocation of bzflag has same error) |
| 00:41.07 | menotume | i'll look in my config |
| 00:41.39 | menotume | ahhh, i see |
| 00:41.57 | menotume | bzflag res was set to 1280x960, my desktop was 1024x768 |
| 00:41.59 | elwin | okay, I am runing a server on the company lan...if someone does a "find server" from a client, does it have to ping every machine in the building looking for a server? |
| 00:42.23 | elwin | and would that trip any flags with regard to the sysadmin? |
| 00:42.37 | menotume | elwin, i don't think it would ping anyone |
| 00:42.48 | menotume | tell the users to type in the IP addy of the server |
| 00:43.02 | DTRemenak | elwin: it broadcasts a udp packet over the entire network, yes |
| 00:43.13 | elwin | I normally do that, but I got one guy who likes to experiment and he did a find server and it worked |
| 00:43.40 | DTRemenak | it is not abnormal at all and will likely not trigger any flags with a sysadmin |
| 00:43.41 | elwin | hmmm the entire network is pretty big, this is a fortune 500 company |
| 00:44.00 | DTRemenak | "entire network" = up to the nearest router |
| 00:44.05 | elwin | ahh |
| 00:44.06 | menotume | ahhh, i didn't know it did that :) |
| 00:44.06 | DTRemenak | routers drop 255.255.255.255 pings |
| 00:44.20 | elwin | well, that is still probably at least 50 100 machines or more |
| 00:44.44 | elwin | okay, I was just curious |
| 00:44.45 | DTRemenak | yeah. It's like a 6-byte packet over UDP though. |
| 00:45.02 | menotume | trepan: is that a 'bug'? if i set my desktop resolution down to below what bzflag is set to, that happens |
| 00:45.07 | elwin | Is it possible to set up a local server list? |
| 00:45.38 | elwin | or are the URL's for the main server listing sort of hardwired into the code? |
| 00:45.44 | DTRemenak | elwin: it is possible |
| 00:46.04 | elwin | is there a howto somewhere? |
| 00:46.04 | DTRemenak | not easy though. easier just to run your servers on :5154 and use the local ping to return it. |
| 00:46.25 | DTRemenak | no howto. afaik it's only been set up a total of three times |
| 00:46.32 | elwin | ahh |
| 00:46.48 | elwin | well, it isn't like I have a bunch of players, sounds like more trouble than it is worth |
| 00:46.51 | DTRemenak | you need a machine with apache, php, and and mysql |
| 00:47.09 | DTRemenak | if you've got those and know how to use them, it shouldn't be a whole lot of trouble |
| 00:47.58 | DTRemenak | if you don't care about hosting a mini-global login server, you can probably hack the old list server code so you don't need mysql |
| 00:48.15 | elwin | dunno a thing about em...the network is windows xp, but interestingly enough, i can boot a Knoppix live cd and get out through the firewall to the internet |
| 00:48.32 | DTRemenak | or you could reimplement it for that matter. if your machines are all static you could just set up a text file on a web server |
| 00:48.43 | elwin | they are dhcp |
| 00:48.43 | DTRemenak | that's the simplest implementation possible |
| 00:49.08 | elwin | might be fun to play with, tho.... |
| 00:49.20 | Chestal | a local list server isn't really all that useful if you only have one static serveranyway |
| 00:49.57 | Chestal | people need to set one address, local list server or local bzfs |
| 00:50.07 | elwin | this brings to mind another network question... I have been trying to figure out how to get the server to run for a certain period of time and be available only at certain times of day |
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| 00:50.15 | elwin | I tried using the windows task scheduler |
| 00:50.22 | elwin | but it only would work one time |
| 00:50.25 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 00:50.37 | elwin | the next time |
| 00:50.41 | elwin | it would say it ran |
| 00:50.44 | elwin | but it didn't |
| 00:50.58 | elwin | also have tried to figure out some way to start the server remotely |
| 00:51.13 | elwin | I can start an ssh server from knoppix and access it from windows |
| 00:51.15 | DTRemenak | set it up as an NT service |
| 00:51.32 | DTRemenak | running on linux is best if you can |
| 00:51.33 | elwin | but it wont let me run the server from a remote location, says command not found, but runs fine locally |
| 00:51.51 | DTRemenak | same user? |
| 00:51.54 | elwin | same user |
| 00:52.04 | DTRemenak | same shell? |
| 00:52.07 | elwin | I boot knoppix on the machie I want the server on |
| 00:52.15 | elwin | yup |
| 00:52.19 | elwin | I am the only user |
| 00:52.24 | elwin | logged in as root |
| 00:52.34 | elwin | if i type ls, it sees the file |
| 00:52.39 | elwin | but won;t let me run it |
| 00:52.52 | elwin | the only thing I can think of is the local directory thing |
| 00:53.04 | elwin | do I maybe need to use the full path? |
| 00:54.04 | DTRemenak | if it's in a non-PATHed directory, you need to run it as ./bzfs |
| 00:54.17 | elwin | I bet that's my problem |
| 00:54.31 | elwin | I shall have to try it. |
| 00:54.48 | elwin | thank you for your help |
| 00:55.03 | DTRemenak | no problem |
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| 01:21.10 | trepan | mmm, GL_SEPARATE_SPECULAR_COLOR, much nicer |
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| 01:31.07 | BearPerson | If someone can't log in with global login (server doesn't see him as a globally registered), only thing you can tell him is to wait, or can there be something else too? |
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| 01:42.38 | blast007 | BearPerson: if that is happening, then typically they are either not registered, not activated, or are typing their username/password wrong |
| 01:42.54 | BearPerson | it worked after a while |
| 01:43.14 | blast007 | ah |
| 01:43.19 | BearPerson | maybe took a while for changes to trickle down the system |
| 01:43.36 | BearPerson | though we're now wondering how local and global id work together |
| 01:43.49 | BearPerson | does anything local always override global? |
| 01:46.29 | JeffM2501 | depends on your group setu[p |
| 01:46.36 | JeffM2501 | there are local only groups |
| 01:46.50 | JeffM2501 | they can have perms that get added on local only users, and not globals |
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| 01:57.47 | trepan | anyone mind making <GL/glext.h> a requisite? |
| 01:58.08 | trepan | i know that some windows setups won't have it, but it can be d/l'ed |
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| 02:39.30 | Quol | anyone home? |
| 02:39.40 | learner | howdy Quol! |
| 02:39.47 | learner | how goes it? |
| 02:39.49 | Quol | hey there buddy - how are ya :) |
| 02:39.56 | learner | doing pretty good |
| 02:40.12 | Quol | well - haven't gotten much free time lately, I just had some time, and though I would drop in :) |
| 02:40.44 | learner | cool cool ;) |
| 02:41.10 | learner | I've not been able to do much bzstuff myself lately .. little bit here and there |
| 02:41.28 | learner | but I can't seem to log off irc :) |
| 02:41.44 | Quol | how's the job going? still doing brlcad things? |
| 02:42.08 | learner | indeed, that's picked up substantially |
| 02:42.33 | learner | brl-cad things, that is |
| 02:42.37 | learner | job's going well as usual |
| 02:42.47 | learner | just about ready to hit up siggraph again |
| 02:42.55 | Quol | that's good I guess - at least it's better then the president of the company getting up and saying something like - "the good news is that we have 2 months of money left..." :) |
| 02:43.16 | learner | hehe |
| 02:44.28 | Quol | siggraph - it's that time of year already? |
| 02:45.01 | Quol | wasn't it siggraph last year where a bunch of bzflagers met up? |
| 02:45.04 | learner | not really, but I can't wait :) |
| 02:45.40 | learner | we put up a countdown of "352 days till siggraph" up on a board at work when we got back last year |
| 02:45.51 | learner | yeah, 10 of us met up |
| 02:46.03 | Quol | ahh - november....I thought that that conversation was a year ago, and it didn't feel like that to me - you freaked me out there - I though that I hadn't played BZ in a year :) |
| 02:46.31 | learner | not nov.. should be end of july or early august |
| 02:46.49 | Quol | IGA, ACM SIGGRAPH and SIGCHI Announces DUX2005 will be held November 3-5, 2005, in San Francisco, California |
| 02:47.03 | learner | that's dux2005 |
| 02:47.11 | learner | hah, san fran too.. no way :) |
| 02:47.20 | Quol | lol - I knew that... |
| 02:47.23 | learner | that'd be too expensive for a conference this big |
| 02:47.39 | learner | 31 jul through 4 aug |
| 02:47.45 | learner | http://www.siggraph.org/s2005/ |
| 02:48.21 | Quol | hehe - that'll teach me to read more carefully |
| 02:49.01 | learner | then next year it's up in boston |
| 02:49.07 | learner | that'll be fun |
| 02:49.17 | learner | i'll have to hit up the cheers pub |
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| 02:50.06 | Quol | boston - I might be able to make that.... |
| 02:50.40 | learner | =) |
| 02:51.05 | learner | i'd probably drive up to that one myself, nice road trip up that way |
| 02:51.10 | learner | or take the train |
| 02:52.23 | SportChick | anyone who feels like standing up for a badly harassed jitterbug, I'm on louman's babylon server |
| 02:52.56 | cosmos | heh |
| 02:54.50 | learner | Quol, so are you riding out the rough times? wasn't this a recent position too? |
| 02:56.06 | Quol | learner: not so bad - just busy...the job is a lot more relaxed, which is good - I have been there since Feb this year - just life in general... |
| 02:56.54 | learner | yeah, though so.. nice that it's relaxed |
| 02:57.14 | Quol | not much free time....and I have trying to stay away from the PC a little...I was really close to a full burnout there |
| 02:57.44 | learner | yeah, that's usually no good |
| 02:58.01 | learner | i came close a while back myself |
| 02:58.30 | learner | but then I tend to spend more time in the gym, and that often gets me out of the funk |
| 02:58.57 | Quol | yup - when your doctor tells you that if your lifestyle doesn't cahnge, youwill be looking at heart problems and other serious medical conditions 10 years from now....it's time to listen ':) |
| 02:59.15 | cosmos | from what quol |
| 02:59.54 | learner | hmm.. |
| 03:00.03 | Quol | just working too much cosmos - I literally almost worked myself into a hospital - |
| 03:00.11 | cosmos | i do that. 18 hour days etc |
| 03:00.20 | learner | that wouldn't be good for me to hear, given how much I procrastinate |
| 03:00.56 | learner | 10 years from now.. pffft.. I got 9 years and about 360 days to not worry about it still.. ;) |
| 03:01.06 | Quol | lol learner: yup, that was the main reason behind the job change...I felt that I needed a change to "start-over" so to speak...it has seemed to wrok |
| 03:01.16 | cosmos | and then you leave the doctors office and get hit by a truck |
| 03:01.43 | Quol | well - i seem to have caused a droopy spirit in this room - sorry about that :) |
| 03:01.53 | learner | heh |
| 03:02.33 | Quol | on another note, how's your server going learner - I haven't logged in there in months |
| 03:02.51 | learner | it chugs along quietly |
| 03:03.39 | learner | i haven't done much/any upkeep on it in a while, but it's otherwise in good standing |
| 03:03.41 | Quol | I haven't even looked at my bzflag icon in ages - has people pretty much switched over to 2.x? |
| 03:03.55 | learner | still only using a smidgen of bandwidth, but that's more my fault for not keeping it busy |
| 03:04.17 | learner | heck, I haven't even finished setting up the bz servers properly yet |
| 03:04.33 | learner | brl-cad sort of took over when we finally released |
| 03:04.42 | learner | ~bzflist |
| 03:04.48 | Quol | I know that feeling - I have been settin gup my domain for mail for the last 6 months...lol |
| 03:05.06 | learner | 140 on 2, 24 on 1.10 right now |
| 03:05.17 | wegstar | wow.. |
| 03:05.30 | learner | and that's a bz "night" for the majority of regulars |
| 03:06.45 | Quol | so the majority have switched - that's good |
| 03:06.51 | learner | mm.. 132 days uptime.. that's longer than your last login date so hasn't rebooted yet |
| 03:07.16 | Quol | lol - probably not much longer |
| 03:07.24 | learner | yeah, they've switched, but things are sort of in disarray for many of the oldtimers |
| 03:07.37 | learner | the ducati folks haven't been able to switch so easily |
| 03:08.02 | Quol | just no used to it - I know that it was weird for me... |
| 03:08.21 | cosmos | alot of the pillbox crowd stayed on 1.x i cant sustain a busy pillbox as easily on 2.0 |
| 03:08.23 | learner | the new radar settings are painfully different, jitter problems remain unsolved, league matches have crucial bugs |
| 03:09.12 | learner | and the mouse "advantage" has polarized some folks |
| 03:09.47 | learner | there are more ffa than ever, though |
| 03:09.59 | learner | the new maps and flags seem to be rather popular |
| 03:10.26 | cosmos | yeah |
| 03:10.45 | learner | the map makers are starting to scratch the surface of possibilities finally and are getting creative |
| 03:11.21 | Quol | that's good - more power to them, I never had the patience for that...I tinkered with some very basic and raw maps, but that's abou tit |
| 03:12.11 | cosmos | yeah i host flag and jump maps but dont like playing em |
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| 03:14.50 | cosmos | http://story.news.yahoo.com/s/ap/sex_worker_school |
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| 04:42.21 | uso | was the team counter fixed after 2.0.2? |
| 04:44.56 | Pimpinella | yeah, chestal fixed it iirc |
| 04:45.06 | uso | is out of sync on babylon, which seems to be 2.0.2 |
| 04:45.28 | uso | Pimpinella: but AFTER 2.0.2 release? |
| 04:45.33 | Pimpinella | yep |
| 04:45.40 | uso | ok |
| 05:02.15 | uso | lol, all scores are below zero on babylon |
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| 07:10.23 | ruskie | ~bzfquery dtdm:5154 |
| 07:10.27 | ruskie | ~bzfquery dtdm.org:5154 |
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| 09:49.38 | siimo | hi can anyone help me make the player list font size smaller? |
| 09:49.55 | siimo | im already using set consoleFont profont |
| 09:50.09 | siimo | but playing @ 1280x960 res its still too big |
| 09:53.11 | tupone | have you used the font size setting under option? |
| 09:53.31 | siimo | no |
| 09:54.04 | siimo | its auto |
| 09:54.33 | siimo | gotcha |
| 09:54.36 | siimo | i changed it :) |
| 09:54.43 | siimo | thanks mate |
| 09:54.49 | tupone | np |
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| 15:03.00 | ruskie | ~bzfquery dtdm.org:5154 |
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| 15:26.13 | Inferno | hello all, does anyone know about CGI::IRC here? |
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| 15:27.16 | Inferno | hi Jeff |
| 15:27.22 | ruskie | Inferno, well you mean other than on how to use it? |
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| 15:28.02 | Inferno | I figured out about the NPH thingy, but it won't work on IE, but right here it is working on IE! |
| 15:28.29 | ruskie | hmmm what's ibot using for bzfquery??? |
| 15:28.45 | Inferno | do you know how they get it to work on IE, I heard something about a Browser Pull vs Server push |
| 15:28.59 | Inferno | ibot? |
| 15:28.59 | JeffM2501 | hello |
| 15:29.08 | ruskie | heya JeffM2501 |
| 15:29.39 | Inferno | Jeff, know anything 'bout CGI::Push ? or anything |
| 15:30.04 | Inferno | I'm trying to make a professional chat script |
| 15:30.35 | Inferno | and I know there are alot of trashy browser refresh scripts out there |
| 15:30.36 | ruskie | Inferno, so what are you doing on #bzflag then? |
| 15:31.08 | Inferno | well, I went to #perl and know one was there, lol |
| 15:31.18 | ruskie | erm... |
| 15:31.31 | Inferno | ok ruskue |
| 15:31.37 | ruskie | 370 |
| 15:31.39 | ruskie | ppl on #perl |
| 15:31.42 | Inferno | people?? |
| 15:31.48 | ruskie | yup |
| 15:31.49 | Inferno | really |
| 15:31.52 | Inferno | brb |
| 15:31.53 | ruskie | you need to use a real irc client |
| 15:31.55 | ruskie | :) |
| 15:32.07 | ruskie | cgi::irc can be locked down to only allow access to certain chans |
| 15:33.05 | Inferno | but, I can hack that, like I did it before :) |
| 15:33.42 | ToughShooter | Even the idea of using a browser for IRC is cruel |
| 15:34.07 | ruskie | erm I'd go insane |
| 15:34.08 | Inferno | well, I donn't have admin rights to install a client, I wish I could though |
| 15:34.18 | Thumper_ | JeffM2501: hi |
| 15:34.21 | ruskie | erm get a client that's preinstalled |
| 15:34.28 | ruskie | read that you don't have to install |
| 15:34.30 | Inferno | where, how? |
| 15:34.38 | JeffM2501 | Thumper_, we don't need to clean up acounts, unless she realy wants it removed |
| 15:34.41 | ruskie | if it's blocking you from running set.exe or install.exe |
| 15:34.46 | Thumper_ | JeffM2501: ok. |
| 15:34.48 | JeffM2501 | I don't think others are going to be needing the name :) |
| 15:34.52 | ruskie | else you can just isntall to osme "you have perms" to write dir |
| 15:34.53 | Thumper_ | probably not ;) |
| 15:35.11 | Thumper_ | I noticed there was not 'delete' function available anywhere... |
| 15:35.14 | Inferno | well, I'm on windows, sooo ... |
| 15:35.17 | JeffM2501 | no there isn't |
| 15:35.22 | Thumper_ | thx |
| 15:35.30 | JeffM2501 | because then it would orphan posible posts |
| 15:36.08 | Thumper_ | okay. |
| 15:36.33 | JeffM2501 | does it make her butt look big tho? |
| 15:36.48 | Thumper_ | dunno... haven't actually seen it ;) |
| 15:37.01 | ruskie | Inferno, so... get xchat4win32 or mirc or any other tons of clients |
| 15:37.13 | ruskie | and simply install to Desktop :) |
| 15:37.14 | Inferno | I'll try then |
| 15:37.29 | ruskie | i.e. Desktop\IRC |
| 15:37.55 | JeffM2501 | Thumper_, then it sounds like you have more work to do |
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| 15:38.46 | JeffM2501 | hmm slow post morning |
| 15:38.54 | Thumper_ | JeffM2501: no kidding. (re slow post..) |
| 15:39.33 | JeffM2501 | tho I have Yugi emailing me now asking what he can do in bzbb to get his inactive account reactivated, and dosn't understand when I tell him "I BANED YOU" |
| 15:39.45 | Thumper_ | JeffM2501: her old account is tieing up her email address... |
| 15:39.53 | JeffM2501 | ahh ok |
| 15:39.54 | Thumper_ | so she can't fix the new account... |
| 15:39.58 | Thumper_ | no posts on the old account |
| 15:40.11 | JeffM2501 | deleted |
| 15:40.24 | Thumper_ | thanks. |
| 15:40.28 | JeffM2501 | sure |
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| 15:43.07 | Inferno | ok, I got mirc, but it costs $20!!!!! |
| 15:43.26 | JeffM2501 | xchat is better |
| 15:43.38 | Birdie | windows inferno? |
| 15:43.52 | Inferno | yeah |
| 15:44.03 | Inferno | I'll try xchat then |
| 15:45.06 | Inferno | ruskie, 300 DEAD ppl :P |
| 15:45.24 | Aribeth | kvirc is good |
| 15:45.27 | CBG | ~bzfquery cbg.kicks-ass.org:5154 |
| 15:45.31 | ruskie | Inferno, if you use xchat win32 then use silverex's version of it |
| 15:45.34 | *** join/#bzflag Blue_Eyes (~Blue_Eyes@62.123.3.191) |
| 15:45.38 | ruskie | Aribeth, for win32? |
| 15:45.40 | CBG | ~bzfquery cbg.kicks-ass.org:5154 |
| 15:45.43 | Inferno | ok |
| 15:45.53 | Aribeth | ohh, prolly not then |
| 15:45.55 | ruskie | ~bzfquery dtdm.org:5154 |
| 15:46.02 | CBG | ~bzfquery server.kaziaz.com:5154 |
| 15:46.09 | CBG | Gah! |
| 15:46.20 | ToughShooter | Aribeth: I've looked at kvirc and I trashed it really soon.. |
| 15:46.32 | Inferno | so, anyone here know how this CGI::IRC works for IE?? |
| 15:46.53 | Aribeth | TS, i use it here. works good for me |
| 15:47.15 | CBG | Anyone here know what a Redirect, not just for web, would be? |
| 15:47.18 | JeffM2501 | webchat sucks |
| 15:48.01 | ToughShooter | HTTP isn't made for IRC, so it is bad by definition |
| 15:48.28 | JeffM2501 | bingo |
| 15:48.39 | JeffM2501 | but it's all some can use |
| 15:49.59 | *** join/#bzflag Tupone (~Tupone@host-84-222-136-15.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 15:50.06 | Inferno | CGI::IRC runs server side and opens a Socket with the irc host, then it send what it gets back to the browser client!!!!! |
| 15:50.34 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 15:50.46 | Birdie | ~logs |
| 15:50.47 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, logs is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/, or stats http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/bzflag.html.gz |
| 15:50.47 | Inferno | so the http part is just like hosting your irc client over the web |
| 15:50.48 | JeffM2501 | but http isn't realy made for realtime bidirectonal comunication |
| 15:50.56 | JeffM2501 | so it ends up just refreshing a LOT |
| 15:51.03 | JeffM2501 | and sending out the same data |
| 15:51.20 | CBG | ~dict joke |
| 15:51.21 | Inferno | actually it uses NPH, which is very new and streamlined |
| 15:51.36 | Birdie | some one has other link for logs? |
| 15:51.37 | ruskie | webchat should be outlawed |
| 15:51.46 | Inferno | lol |
| 15:51.47 | JeffM2501 | Birdie, whata re you looking for |
| 15:51.54 | Birdie | logs of #guleague |
| 15:51.55 | JeffM2501 | webchat is mostly used for people to abuse things |
| 15:52.00 | Tupone | ~log |
| 15:52.01 | ibot | i guess log is as piece of wood |
| 15:52.05 | JeffM2501 | Birdie, is there an ibot or a jbot there? |
| 15:52.12 | Birdie | no a guu from you |
| 15:52.17 | JeffM2501 | guu does not log |
| 15:52.18 | guu | JeffM2501: bafuuuuuu! |
| 15:52.20 | JeffM2501 | so there are no logs |
| 15:52.27 | Birdie | au:( |
| 15:52.29 | Birdie | ok |
| 15:52.37 | JeffM2501 | only ibot/jbot log |
| 15:52.49 | ToughShooter | ~x de en au |
| 15:52.50 | CBG | Awww. Now Birdie cant show me how I was disrespectful to Jeff. |
| 15:53.02 | Birdie | dont act like an ass now |
| 15:53.08 | JeffM2501 | it's ok, I belive him |
| 15:53.26 | ToughShooter | ~lart ibot for bad translation |
| 15:53.51 | JeffM2501 | what is he doing now? more messing with people just get a rise outa it? |
| 15:53.54 | Tupone | Inferno: looking for something like this? :-> http://www.baekdal.com/articles/Usability/XMLHttpRequest-guidelines/ |
| 15:54.00 | CBG | JeffM: Me? |
| 15:54.16 | JeffM2501 | you! |
| 15:54.24 | JeffM2501 | you've done it before, and you've admited it |
| 15:54.38 | CBG | Can you give an example, please, sir? |
| 15:54.41 | JeffM2501 | heck you made DTRemenak think your a jerk, that's REALY hard |
| 15:54.48 | JeffM2501 | your mac zellotism conversations |
| 15:54.58 | CBG | ~dict zellotism |
| 15:55.08 | JeffM2501 | later you said you like to argue with people for the fun of it when they can argue back |
| 15:55.13 | Tupone | ~dict zealotism |
| 15:55.21 | CBG | JeffM: TGhats not waht I said |
| 15:55.44 | Birdie | and than you said to me as "joke" you want to piss jeff off without getting banned |
| 15:55.46 | CBG | This is what I said: It is better to argue against someone who knows what they are talking about. |
| 15:55.52 | Birdie | shows some real mature from you |
| 15:56.00 | CBG | Exactly... as a JOKE. |
| 15:56.10 | CBG | Does nobody here know what that is? |
| 15:56.15 | Inferno | Tupone: is this what CGI:IRC uses? |
| 15:56.18 | CBG | ibot posed a definition earlier |
| 15:56.21 | Tupone | nope |
| 15:56.35 | Inferno | What is it exactly? |
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| 15:56.53 | jpa- | CBG: i would understand it, but you atleast _seem_ to behave like an idiot |
| 15:56.59 | JeffM2501 | Apr 04 13:11:39 <JeffM2501>and acting like a spoiled child |
| 15:56.59 | JeffM2501 | Apr 04 13:11:48 <JeffM2501>your text |
| 15:56.59 | JeffM2501 | Apr 04 13:12:01 <CBG>nothing I like more than argueing with someone who knows what they are on about |
| 15:56.59 | JeffM2501 | Apr 04 13:12:10 <JeffM2501>huh? |
| 15:56.59 | JeffM2501 | Apr 04 13:12:18 <CBG>more fun than making my classmates look like idiots |
| 15:57.04 | JeffM2501 | that indicates you have fun with it |
| 15:57.05 | Tupone | I don't think, I just though you were looking for something that make a browser talking with a server "continuosly" |
| 15:57.14 | JeffM2501 | that you do it for personal enjoyment |
| 15:57.17 | CBG | So? |
| 15:57.17 | Inferno | oh, ok |
| 15:57.18 | JeffM2501 | the good thing is |
| 15:57.21 | JeffM2501 | I keep logs |
| 15:57.34 | CBG | Whats the big deal?? |
| 15:57.38 | JeffM2501 | that means you are making other people angry because it makes you feel better |
| 15:57.48 | JeffM2501 | not everyone sees arguing with you as fun |
| 15:58.00 | JeffM2501 | and I don't think you understand that |
| 15:58.06 | CBG | Did I upset anyone by saying That It is more fun to argue against someone who knows what they are on about compared to a group of ignorants? |
| 15:58.07 | JeffM2501 | this is why many people get upset at you |
| 15:58.15 | JeffM2501 | yes, yes you did |
| 15:58.22 | JeffM2501 | it made us feel like you were playing us |
| 15:58.30 | CBG | Really? |
| 15:58.35 | JeffM2501 | why do you think you allways have to ask "why does everyone take it so serious here?" |
| 15:58.38 | CBG | Then I am very sorry for that |
| 15:58.55 | Birdie | good and i hope you will think next time if you do it |
| 15:59.00 | JeffM2501 | you come off like an asshat a lot of times |
| 15:59.07 | JeffM2501 | here, bzbb, and on servers |
| 15:59.18 | CBG | Birdie: I apologised for what I said about argueing. |
| 15:59.23 | JeffM2501 | sometimes just take a look at what you say and think how it would read to others who don't know what your thinking |
| 15:59.40 | CBG | Whats wrong with seeming to be an asshat? |
| 15:59.43 | JeffM2501 | sadly jokes often come across bad thru text :( |
| 15:59.51 | JeffM2501 | CBG, what's right with it? |
| 15:59.55 | JeffM2501 | noone likes asshats |
| 15:59.59 | CBG | Yes. Well sais Jeff. |
| 16:00.08 | CBG | Surely, If I want to be an asshat, I can? |
| 16:00.14 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 16:00.21 | JeffM2501 | but we don't have to listen to you |
| 16:00.27 | JeffM2501 | or provide you a medium to be one in |
| 16:00.31 | CBG | Birdie: I do not apologise for my comments about you. |
| 16:00.40 | CBG | True. |
| 16:01.03 | CBG | But you can't discriminate me for it either. |
| 16:01.03 | CBG | If you don't like me, then fine... |
| 16:01.15 | CBG | But more than 50% of what I say in normal conversation is a joke. |
| 16:01.30 | JeffM2501 | as soon as you become disruptive to the flow of the channel, or people complain, then admins have responsibility to take care of it. |
| 16:01.38 | JeffM2501 | yeah that is why you are still here |
| 16:01.42 | CBG | And if you were right here in front of me, you would see that by my facial expressions and body language. |
| 16:01.46 | JeffM2501 | because it's not all the time |
| 16:01.55 | JeffM2501 | but you hit the limit on ocasions |
| 16:02.06 | JeffM2501 | well we can't see you now can we? |
| 16:02.30 | CBG | Ok. How about this, From now On I wlill try to never joke online, ever again. Alright? |
| 16:02.38 | Inferno | Tupone: I think that stuff is client side, not what I'm looking for, thanks anyway |
| 16:02.47 | JeffM2501 | CBG, no reason to go totaly the other way |
| 16:02.52 | JeffM2501 | just try not to be a jerk |
| 16:03.03 | Tupone | Inferno: Is something clientside talking with serverside |
| 16:03.04 | JeffM2501 | roll with the punches |
| 16:03.17 | Inferno | yeah |
| 16:03.19 | CBG | But it seems at least one person takes offence to every singl of my jokes, witty remakr,s or any other peice of humour. |
| 16:03.34 | JeffM2501 | noone ever said it was every thing you said |
| 16:03.36 | Inferno | but the client would have to require that browser |
| 16:03.41 | bryjen | perhaps you're not that funny ;) |
| 16:03.42 | CBG | In real life I am one of the clowns... I laugh, take the piss out of myself and everyone laughs. |
| 16:04.04 | CBG | Here, the whole joke is lost in cyberspace and you all seem to get overly distressed... |
| 16:04.08 | CBG | For this I am sorry. |
| 16:04.10 | Thumper_ | JeffM2501: she's trying her *new* account... and getting 'global login rejected bad token' - any chance the '?' in the callsign is upsetting it? |
| 16:04.19 | JeffM2501 | well this isn't some schoolyard for shootint th brese |
| 16:04.24 | Thumper_ | (when connecting to the bzflag server) |
| 16:04.30 | JeffM2501 | Thumper_, ohh heck yeah, she dosnt' want a ? |
| 16:04.33 | CBG | None of my humour is offensive to anyone, except myself. |
| 16:04.36 | JeffM2501 | it would "be bad" |
| 16:04.36 | Thumper_ | :( |
| 16:04.42 | JeffM2501 | I'll remove it for her now |
| 16:04.43 | CBG | If I say anything bad about anyone, then I usually mean it. |
| 16:04.50 | Thumper_ | ok |
| 16:05.02 | JeffM2501 | so then you want to piss me off with out geting banned? |
| 16:05.12 | CBG | No... That was a joke. |
| 16:05.17 | Birdie | "joke" |
| 16:05.18 | ToughShooter | Thumper_: Do you try to help Yugi? |
| 16:05.23 | CBG | I said "If I say anything bad about anyone" ... |
| 16:05.39 | CBG | I did not say anything bad about you Jeff, except "I want to piss him off"... |
| 16:05.41 | trepan | i'm worried, there wasn't a moment's hesitation understanding "shootint th brese" |
| 16:05.45 | *** join/#bzflag SportChick (~SportChic@ca-redbch-cuda1-c5b-b-192.stmnca.adelphia.net) |
| 16:05.46 | CBG | Which is not an insult in any way. |
| 16:05.50 | JeffM2501 | don't try to help yugi, he was baned explidicly |
| 16:06.15 | JeffM2501 | CBG, generaly pissing somone off is considered BAD |
| 16:06.27 | CBG | But its not an insult... |
| 16:06.32 | JeffM2501 | it's still not good |
| 16:06.39 | CBG | And I have said over 10 times, that thing was one tiny joke. |
| 16:06.49 | CBG | Its just Birdie saying its not... |
| 16:06.53 | JeffM2501 | it is an isnult to me in the fact that you care so little about my feelings that you wish to anger me for enjoyment |
| 16:07.03 | CBG | I have Never Ever set out to annoy/piss off any of the devs on purpose. |
| 16:07.06 | JeffM2501 | Thumper_, I removed the ? |
| 16:07.11 | Thumper_ | JeffM2501: thx |
| 16:07.19 | JeffM2501 | CBG, with that statement how were we to know it was a joke? |
| 16:07.50 | CBG | Because I added :D's and said right after j/kin'. |
| 16:07.51 | JeffM2501 | it's just a fine line to cross |
| 16:07.57 | JeffM2501 | I've sadly fallen off it's edge too |
| 16:08.05 | JeffM2501 | so I know how it is to be mistooken |
| 16:08.06 | CBG | Ok. wait one second. |
| 16:08.28 | CBG | "I want to piss off Jeff! :D lol. :D j/kin'/" |
| 16:08.29 | JeffM2501 | CBG, that could mean that you were joking, or you found it funny, or an evil grin |
| 16:08.39 | JeffM2501 | a smily does not absolve all things |
| 16:08.48 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't mater |
| 16:08.58 | CBG | DOES THE ABOVE LOOK LIKE I ACTUALLY WANT TO PISS YOU OFF? |
| 16:09.00 | JeffM2501 | just know how you make people feel |
| 16:09.03 | CBG | (sorry fort caps) |
| 16:09.07 | JeffM2501 | that statement does |
| 16:09.11 | CBG | Really? |
| 16:09.13 | JeffM2501 | it looks like your geting upset |
| 16:09.18 | JeffM2501 | when you type in all caps |
| 16:09.26 | CBG | I hit the all caps key by accident |
| 16:09.37 | Inferno | sure ...... |
| 16:09.39 | JeffM2501 | and at a timely moment too |
| 16:09.39 | Thumper_ | get a screw driver and remove that key... |
| 16:09.40 | CBG | I am on a different keyboard to normal. :P) |
| 16:09.52 | JeffM2501 | whatever |
| 16:09.56 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't realy mater |
| 16:09.59 | CBG | Thumper: This is not my keyboard... :D |
| 16:10.03 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 16:10.06 | Thumper_ | so... ;) |
| 16:10.11 | CBG | Lol :D |
| 16:10.14 | Thumper_ | JeffM2501: Still the same error... |
| 16:10.23 | Thumper_ | JeffM2501: name to long maybe? |
| 16:10.24 | CBG | Atleats I seem to have one 'friend' here. |
| 16:10.44 | CBG | Cheers, Thumper. |
| 16:10.44 | JeffM2501 | Thumper_, should not be a size limit |
| 16:10.50 | JeffM2501 | make sure it's case senstive |
| 16:10.55 | Thumper_ | restarting bzflag client didn't help |
| 16:10.57 | Thumper_ | case is correct |
| 16:10.57 | JeffM2501 | and she has her password in the password field |
| 16:11.05 | JeffM2501 | not with /identify |
| 16:11.09 | Thumper_ | ok will recheck the pwd |
| 16:11.18 | JeffM2501 | and does she see anything that says "bad token"? |
| 16:13.17 | Thumper_ | JeffM2501: no joy... have to quit trying for now - lunch... |
| 16:13.23 | JeffM2501 | hmmm |
| 16:13.24 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 16:13.39 | JeffM2501 | well if you need me find me after lunch |
| 16:13.48 | JeffM2501 | maybe we can make a shorter test account for her to try |
| 16:13.53 | Thumper_ | ok |
| 16:16.03 | Aribeth | have fun at the beach |
| 16:16.56 | JeffM2501 | sadly the fact that I don't want to work, and the expectations of my emplolyer don't match |
| 16:16.56 | JeffM2501 | and it's kinda cloudy |
| 16:16.56 | JeffM2501 | and cold |
| 16:16.56 | JeffM2501 | guu weather 93021 |
| 16:16.56 | guu | JeffM2501: The current temperature in Moorpark, California (93021) is 75°F (9:12 AM PDT on May 06, 2005). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 58°F. UV: 4 out of 16 |
| 16:17.09 | Aribeth | ahh yes, the reality of the situation. |
| 16:17.26 | Aribeth | 75 is cold? |
| 16:17.27 | JeffM2501 | it was raining yesterday |
| 16:17.30 | JeffM2501 | hell yeah |
| 16:17.50 | Aribeth | i know it was, i was out in the rain |
| 16:17.57 | JeffM2501 | at least long sleave shirt cold |
| 16:18.04 | Aribeth | ahh |
| 16:18.18 | JeffM2501 | aka wouldn't want to to go swiming |
| 16:18.22 | Aribeth | guu weather 30040 |
| 16:18.26 | guu | Aribeth: The current temperature in Cumming, Georgia (30040) is 51°F (12:10 PM EDT on May 06, 2005). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 51°F. UV: 8 out of 16 |
| 16:18.36 | Aribeth | brrrrrr |
| 16:19.29 | Aribeth | guu weather 94087 |
| 16:19.29 | guu | Aribeth: The current temperature in Sunnyvale, California (94087) is 61°F (8:56 AM PDT on May 06, 2005). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 46°F. Pressure: 29.99 in (1016 hPa). Visibility: 10.0 miles (16.1 kilometers). UV: 2 out of 16 |
| 16:19.48 | Aribeth | now 51 is cold |
| 16:20.09 | ToughShooter | ~weather EDDF |
| 16:20.29 | jpa- | ~weather EFTU |
| 16:20.51 | ToughShooter | At monday we got over 35 degrees |
| 16:21.17 | JeffM2501 | yeah that's why I don't live there |
| 16:21.20 | JeffM2501 | that's freaking cold |
| 16:21.28 | JeffM2501 | what is "hot" to you? |
| 16:21.31 | ToughShooter | 35 degrees is warm |
| 16:21.41 | Aribeth | hummm....weather.com says its 65 in GA |
| 16:21.45 | JeffM2501 | 35C not 35F |
| 16:21.55 | ToughShooter | Who uses F? :-p |
| 16:22.02 | JeffM2501 | sadly we do |
| 16:22.16 | JeffM2501 | 35C is nice |
| 16:22.28 | ToughShooter | Americans have all these crazy units... |
| 16:22.33 | JeffM2501 | that we do |
| 16:22.47 | JeffM2501 | tho at work we are prety much metric |
| 16:22.51 | JeffM2501 | on all but temp |
| 16:23.30 | jpa- | hm |
| 16:23.50 | jpa- | america doesn't use inches anymore? |
| 16:24.01 | JeffM2501 | most of it does |
| 16:24.07 | bryjen | !convert 75 degF to degC |
| 16:24.08 | guu | bryjen: 23.8888888889 |
| 16:24.18 | JeffM2501 | our software is international, so we use metric for most things |
| 16:24.46 | bryjen | hmm |
| 16:24.54 | ToughShooter | Hey, we use inches here, too |
| 16:24.55 | bryjen | !convert 35 degC to degF |
| 16:24.56 | guu | bryjen: 95.0 |
| 16:25.01 | JeffM2501 | yeah nice |
| 16:25.10 | JeffM2501 | that's good beach time |
| 16:25.13 | ruskie | 23C is rather warm... |
| 16:25.14 | bryjen | yeesh |
| 16:25.39 | JeffM2501 | if it goes below 80 here, we get sweaters |
| 16:25.50 | JeffM2501 | but then it also caps out at like 125 |
| 16:26.00 | jpa- | todays top: 15.5°C |
| 16:26.03 | ruskie | cold blooded eh? |
| 16:26.03 | JeffM2501 | days over 100 arn't much |
| 16:26.13 | JeffM2501 | just diferent climate |
| 16:26.22 | JeffM2501 | what's the hotest it gets there? |
| 16:26.24 | ruskie | 18C here... |
| 16:26.37 | ruskie | around here I think 30C was max if not a tad more |
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| 16:26.44 | JeffM2501 | wow |
| 16:26.46 | JeffM2501 | that's prety low |
| 16:26.51 | ruskie | lol |
| 16:26.54 | bryjen | getting into the 100's is bad here. then again, we have river banks instead of beaches |
| 16:27.05 | JeffM2501 | 100 days are fine |
| 16:27.07 | bryjen | not quite so nice |
| 16:27.08 | ruskie | it's unbearable at anything above 28 for me... |
| 16:27.12 | JeffM2501 | 110 you start to be warm |
| 16:27.16 | JeffM2501 | 115 you say it's hot |
| 16:27.21 | JeffM2501 | 125 you stay inside |
| 16:27.26 | jpa- | last summer it got to 30°C |
| 16:27.46 | ruskie | yeah last summer was insane... |
| 16:27.54 | JeffM2501 | techincaly I live in a semi-arid desert |
| 16:28.04 | ToughShooter | Hmm, we got 50 degrees on one day last summer...it was awful |
| 16:28.05 | JeffM2501 | tho this summer has been on the cold side |
| 16:28.33 | JeffM2501 | Aribeth lives above the semi-arid part |
| 16:28.38 | ToughShooter | !convert 50 degC to degF |
| 16:28.38 | guu | ToughShooter: 122.0 |
| 16:28.47 | Aribeth | yep |
| 16:29.04 | CBG | You get 50decC ? |
| 16:29.17 | JeffM2501 | sometimes |
| 16:29.19 | ToughShooter | At one day last year: yes |
| 16:29.29 | ToughShooter | that was the highest peak we had |
| 16:29.31 | CBG | I find more than 30degC is pretty dran hot. |
| 16:29.38 | JeffM2501 | panzy :) |
| 16:29.53 | CBG | lol. Thats Wales weather for you. |
| 16:30.01 | CBG | Timid. |
| 16:30.13 | JeffM2501 | you've never truly lived untill your sandles have slaged on the street |
| 16:30.21 | JeffM2501 | just by walking across it |
| 16:30.24 | CBG | ouch. |
| 16:30.33 | ToughShooter | ~x en de slag |
| 16:30.44 | JeffM2501 | melted |
| 16:30.52 | CBG | Its about 20degC right now and I'm finding it wrm, verging on hot. |
| 16:30.52 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: :o |
| 16:30.56 | JeffM2501 | gone all squishy |
| 16:31.08 | ruskie | it's 18 here and it's just the right temp... |
| 16:31.22 | CBG | Yeah. about 20degC is perfect |
| 16:31.36 | CBG | with not too bright, and a slight, cool breeze. |
| 16:31.45 | ruskie | yeah |
| 16:31.57 | ToughShooter | Nah, 30 - 35 is fine |
| 16:32.03 | CBG | 30+ is hot. |
| 16:32.08 | JeffM2501 | how are you suposed to go rolerblading in a cool breeze? |
| 16:32.13 | CBG | Lol. |
| 16:32.23 | CBG | I'm talking about just relaxing... :P |
| 16:32.30 | JeffM2501 | that is relaxing |
| 16:32.34 | ruskie | lol |
| 16:32.41 | ruskie | weird definition of relaxing |
| 16:32.54 | CBG | Yeah. :P |
| 16:32.55 | ruskie | <-- does as little as possible when relaxing |
| 16:32.55 | JeffM2501 | it's very fun |
| 16:33.10 | JeffM2501 | cleares the mind |
| 16:33.11 | CBG | <-- does as little as possible, all the time. |
| 16:33.26 | CBG | How old are you Jeff? :D hehe (Joke!) |
| 16:33.33 | JeffM2501 | 32 |
| 16:33.54 | CBG | I wouldn't dare go rollerblading at 32... |
| 16:33.55 | orange | JeffM2501: do you street skate or trail skate or both? |
| 16:34.02 | CBG | All the youths would laugh... |
| 16:34.16 | JeffM2501 | orange, not so much anymore since I hurt my knee |
| 16:34.17 | CBG | whats trail skating? |
| 16:34.28 | JeffM2501 | I used to do hockey |
| 16:34.35 | orange | hah, CBG, I'd say the average age of the skaters that go on night street skates in atlanta is over 30 |
| 16:34.37 | JeffM2501 | so just screet stuff to get some speed in |
| 16:34.47 | orange | I'm 36 myself, and I skate often |
| 16:34.57 | orange | ooh, hockey |
| 16:35.08 | orange | I can't skate backwards very well, so I'd stink at hockey ;-) |
| 16:35.15 | CBG | Your country is insane. |
| 16:35.21 | bryjen | in parts |
| 16:35.27 | CBG | :D lol |
| 16:35.28 | orange | cbg trail skating... find a nice paved trail and skate on it |
| 16:35.35 | CBG | trail??? |
| 16:35.37 | JeffM2501 | backwards isn't hard when you are on a rink |
| 16:35.39 | orange | hmmm |
| 16:35.44 | orange | path |
| 16:35.45 | bryjen | paved trail seems oxymoronic |
| 16:35.47 | orange | pathway |
| 16:35.55 | CBG | Yeah, bryjen. |
| 16:35.59 | CBG | A path? |
| 16:36.01 | JeffM2501 | it's like a bikepath |
| 16:36.06 | JeffM2501 | a sidewalk |
| 16:36.08 | orange | like a narrow road |
| 16:36.11 | JeffM2501 | that isn't beside a street |
| 16:36.21 | CBG | so whats the difference between that and "Stree" skating?? |
| 16:36.25 | CBG | oh. |
| 16:36.28 | CBG | Ok. :D |
| 16:36.32 | JeffM2501 | street you have to dodge cars |
| 16:36.32 | orange | in street skating, you actually skate on the roads where cars are |
| 16:36.42 | CBG | Ok. :) GOtcha |
| 16:36.44 | orange | but at night in downtown atlanta that's not really a problem |
| 16:36.52 | JeffM2501 | we have parks and trails made for bikes and stuff that go thru nice places, no cars |
| 16:36.54 | bryjen | bullets? |
| 16:36.56 | orange | that's loads of fun |
| 16:37.04 | orange | nah, we have never had any trouble at all |
| 16:37.12 | orange | first of all, we're not carrying anything of real value |
| 16:37.16 | CBG | bullets |
| 16:37.17 | CBG | ? |
| 16:37.18 | orange | and people are very nice to us |
| 16:37.33 | JeffM2501 | orange, I can't scate backwards well ether, so I ended up goaltender |
| 16:37.38 | orange | plus we go in a big group... never less than 10 |
| 16:37.42 | bryjen | big city/downtown/nighttime, small joke |
| 16:38.20 | orange | cbg atlanta (georgia) has one pathway/trail/narrow paved road thingy that is many tens of miles long |
| 16:38.29 | orange | it's an old railroad track that was ripped up and paved |
| 16:38.37 | orange | very pretty, very peaceful, no cars, very fun |
| 16:38.43 | CBG | COol! |
| 16:39.01 | orange | I think it either does, or will, connect to a similar trail in alabama |
| 16:39.04 | CBG | We have a kinda similar thing in Cornwall, England. |
| 16:39.08 | JeffM2501 | The town next to me has one that goes the entire length of the town ( 10 miles or so ) right next to the river that runs thru it |
| 16:39.11 | orange | so you can skate all the way from atlanta, GA to alabama |
| 16:39.17 | CBG | Follows a river, used to be a train track... |
| 16:39.23 | orange | JeffM2501: yeah, those are awesome |
| 16:39.28 | CBG | Now folks ride bikes and horses (or walk) along it |
| 16:39.54 | orange | of course you can walk and ride bikes on dirt, but if you want to inline skate you (generally) need a hard surface |
| 16:40.12 | orange | my kids are taking skate lessons right now, and their instructor is teaching them to skate on grass :-) |
| 16:40.14 | JeffM2501 | unless you get some of those fatty offroad skates |
| 16:40.16 | CBG | Yeah, our trail is tarmac most of the way |
| 16:40.19 | bryjen | or pnuematic tires |
| 16:40.29 | CBG | Lol! |
| 16:40.32 | orange | never seen skate with pneumatic tires |
| 16:40.36 | orange | but it wouldn't surprise me |
| 16:40.39 | JeffM2501 | they are rare |
| 16:40.43 | bryjen | JeffM2501 apparently has |
| 16:40.47 | JeffM2501 | think of a hockey boot |
| 16:40.52 | JeffM2501 | with like only 2 wheels |
| 16:40.59 | JeffM2501 | infront and behind the boot |
| 16:41.07 | JeffM2501 | on like a U shaped bar that can flex |
| 16:41.08 | ToughShooter | When I tried to skate I always felt down |
| 16:41.18 | CBG | JeffM: got a photo? |
| 16:41.25 | orange | so here's this 5 year old kid on real inline skates going down a *very* steep hill on grass... probably like the fourth time he's been on his skates. Kids have no fear. |
| 16:41.44 | JeffM2501 | http://www.skates.com/Off_road_skate_p/22lg-long.htm |
| 16:41.46 | orange | my kids are learning to do things I've never even thought about trying |
| 16:42.03 | CBG | woah. Cool!!! |
| 16:42.10 | CBG | AH. Tea. I ahve to go |
| 16:42.15 | CBG | It was good to talk. |
| 16:42.17 | ToughShooter | Just like with skies, next curve on the way down from mountain leaded me to continue to drive straight forward, off the way |
| 16:42.26 | CBG | Bye all. Cya laters. |
| 16:42.31 | orange | cu |
| 16:42.46 | orange | JeffM2501: cool skates... ever tried them? |
| 16:42.50 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 16:42.54 | JeffM2501 | seen people use em |
| 16:43.02 | JeffM2501 | heard it's very hard on the ankles |
| 16:43.09 | JeffM2501 | lot more effort to push off |
| 16:43.22 | orange | heh, hand brakes |
| 16:43.51 | JeffM2501 | yeah cus you go down hills and stuff |
| 16:43.57 | orange | they're not even as expensive as I expected |
| 16:44.01 | JeffM2501 | and doing a TStop would kill you |
| 16:44.07 | orange | heh |
| 16:44.16 | orange | fastest I've been on my skates is 35mph |
| 16:44.30 | orange | (I sometimes carry my GPS in a backpack) |
| 16:44.44 | orange | I gotta say, 35mph on skates is insane |
| 16:44.56 | orange | it's not like a bike... on skates you feel so exposed |
| 16:54.19 | *** join/#bzflag CBG (~CannonBal@cpc3-stme1-5-0-cust91.cdif.cable.ntl.com) |
| 16:57.01 | *** part/#bzflag Blue_Eyes (~Blue_Eyes@62.123.3.191) |
| 17:00.03 | menotume | JeffM2501: I found my problem - was my mouse ! |
| 17:00.34 | menotume | a bad cord (where it attached to the mouse), cause the kernel to see USB device going on,off,on,off,etc |
| 17:00.44 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 17:00.50 | menotume | ya |
| 17:00.51 | JeffM2501 | well at least that is easy/cheap to fix |
| 17:00.55 | menotume | yepper |
| 17:01.17 | menotume | my mouse cord is just a few inches shorter now :P |
| 17:01.24 | JeffM2501 | what ever works |
| 17:03.55 | CBG | Whats the default world size in bzw? |
| 17:04.09 | JeffM2501 | +-400 |
| 17:05.13 | *** join/#bzflag bz5693 (~cdae161a@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 17:05.22 | bz5693 | hello? |
| 17:05.28 | JeffM2501 | hello |
| 17:05.38 | bz5693 | oh snap |
| 17:05.59 | JeffM2501 | was it something I said? |
| 17:06.01 | *** join/#bzflag DarthVader (~cdae161a@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 17:06.07 | CBG | thanks jeff. :D |
| 17:06.19 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 17:07.27 | DarthVader | never been here before |
| 17:07.39 | CBG | hi :D |
| 17:07.46 | DarthVader | yo |
| 17:08.08 | DarthVader | owner/operator of Planet MoFo here |
| 17:08.22 | CBG | cool! |
| 17:10.12 | CBG | ~bzfquery cbg.kicks-ass.org |
| 17:10.15 | DarthVader | For all the peeps in here, theres not alot of talking |
| 17:10.25 | JeffM2501 | most are lurkers |
| 17:10.34 | DarthVader | `bzfquery 68.85.3.150 |
| 17:10.37 | JeffM2501 | probably no more then like 15 that actualy talk here |
| 17:10.41 | DarthVader | ~bzfquery 68.85.3.150 |
| 17:10.51 | CBG | ~bzfquery server.kaziaz.com |
| 17:10.57 | DarthVader | ~bzfquery 68.85.3.150:4200 |
| 17:11.12 | CBG | DV, Cool, eh? |
| 17:11.17 | DarthVader | yeah it is |
| 17:11.24 | DarthVader | I am most impressed |
| 17:11.30 | JeffM2501 | it's just a silly bot |
| 17:11.33 | DarthVader | Wonko is a good player |
| 17:11.54 | DarthVader | bbl |
| 17:12.04 | CBG | JeffM: What would a subdomain redirect not just for web, be called? |
| 17:12.16 | JeffM2501 | redirect? |
| 17:12.23 | JeffM2501 | a CName? |
| 17:12.31 | CBG | AH. Thought so. |
| 17:12.41 | JeffM2501 | like where dude.onedomain.com allways points to hey.otherdomin.com? |
| 17:13.00 | CBG | yes. Not just in a browser, but in bzflag too, for example. |
| 17:13.19 | Chestal | CNAME? |
| 17:13.22 | Thumper_ | JeffM2501: ok I created a new account for testing... works for me not for her. same error (bad token) any ideas? |
| 17:13.27 | CBG | I told my host to do that, but clearly its not working. |
| 17:13.44 | JeffM2501 | CBG it's a cname |
| 17:13.50 | JeffM2501 | or something |
| 17:13.55 | Chestal | CBG: e.g. ducati.bzflag.org CNAME ducati.unix-ag.org |
| 17:13.56 | JeffM2501 | I'd have to look |
| 17:13.58 | Chestal | CBG: in DNS |
| 17:13.59 | CBG | server.kaziaz.com Should go to cbg.kicks-ass.org in-game. |
| 17:14.06 | JeffM2501 | Thumper_, does she see "bad token" ? |
| 17:14.31 | CBG | Yeah. I told my host to setup a CNAME redirect from server.kaziaz.com to cbg.kicks-ass.org |
| 17:14.33 | JeffM2501 | CBG, the DNS server for kaziaz.com can set that |
| 17:14.36 | JeffM2501 | it's not a redirect |
| 17:14.48 | JeffM2501 | redirect is a protocoll thing |
| 17:14.52 | JeffM2501 | hence why it's used for HTTP |
| 17:14.54 | CBG | Hmmm... |
| 17:15.00 | JeffM2501 | you want like an alias |
| 17:15.07 | JeffM2501 | hang on one sec |
| 17:15.25 | CBG | He said " I have just added cname entry for your sub-domain in you domain dns done file." |
| 17:15.30 | Chestal | liek I said, it's the CNAME entry in DNS |
| 17:15.31 | Thumper_ | JeffM2501: not this time - no errors just doesn't work and 'blank' not '-' beside callsign |
| 17:15.49 | Thumper_ | JeffM2501: I lie... there is a '-' |
| 17:15.49 | JeffM2501 | well have her try port 81 for the list server |
| 17:15.53 | JeffM2501 | she may be proxyied |
| 17:15.54 | CBG | Chestal: I dont have access to the DNS... I dont think. |
| 17:15.57 | Chestal | CBG: DNS changes can sometimes take some time because entries are cached |
| 17:16.09 | CBG | Oh. Ok... |
| 17:16.17 | CBG | Ill try again tomorrow. |
| 17:16.18 | JeffM2501 | CBG, then how do you expect to have the domain know what server.whatever.com is? |
| 17:16.36 | Thumper_ | JeffM2501: um I don't use the windows client... how do you do that? |
| 17:16.56 | JeffM2501 | it would be a line in the config with the list server URL ( in my documensts/ my bzflag files) |
| 17:17.03 | Thumper_ | k thx |
| 17:17.07 | JeffM2501 | basicly add :81 after db.bzflag.org |
| 17:17.09 | JeffM2501 | before the /db |
| 17:17.41 | JeffM2501 | CBG, what you want is called a DNS alias (CNAME) record on the DNS server that has the root name you want. |
| 17:17.44 | CBG | JeffM2501: How do i expect what domain to know what server.whatever.com is?? :( |
| 17:17.56 | CBG | This is what the guy did: " I have just added cname entry for your sub-domain in you domain dns done file" |
| 17:17.56 | JeffM2501 | kaziaz.com |
| 17:18.01 | CBG | Does that sound right? |
| 17:18.03 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 17:18.12 | JeffM2501 | could take up to a couple days |
| 17:18.15 | JeffM2501 | to propigate |
| 17:18.19 | CBG | Ok. Thanks :) |
| 17:20.02 | JeffM2501 | Thumper_, in the config you'd change #set list http://my.BZFlag.org/db/ |
| 17:20.08 | JeffM2501 | to set list http://my.BZFlag.org:81/db/ |
| 17:20.14 | Thumper_ | thanks. |
| 17:20.21 | JeffM2501 | you have to take out the # |
| 17:20.27 | JeffM2501 | or it won't do anything |
| 17:20.54 | JeffM2501 | my config is in |
| 17:20.54 | JeffM2501 | C:\Documents and Settings\JeffM.GIBBS\My Documents\My Bzflag Files\2.0 |
| 17:21.03 | JeffM2501 | that's on XP |
| 17:21.08 | JeffM2501 | her profile will varry |
| 17:22.03 | Tupone | CBG: they have not done, according to DNS |
| 17:22.25 | CBG | Tupone, Eek. :( |
| 17:23.03 | Tupone | I asked directly the DNS authority -> ns5.infrenion.com |
| 17:23.13 | CBG | How? |
| 17:23.18 | Tupone | dig |
| 17:23.34 | JeffM2501 | they may have not applied it or sent it up yet |
| 17:23.44 | CBG | *sigh* |
| 17:24.16 | Tupone | now is not the DNS propagation time, prolly human in the loop |
| 17:24.50 | bryjen | them loopy hu-mans |
| 17:24.55 | CBG | Ok. Thanks guys... |
| 17:25.04 | CBG | Rofl. |
| 17:25.16 | *** join/#bzflag awelux__ (~wizart@dsl-084-058-049-177.arcor-ip.net) |
| 17:25.34 | CBG | On a different note: Why do I keep getiing players joining and then leaving straight away on my server?\ |
| 17:25.44 | Tupone | listserver is |
| 17:25.45 | CBG | Is it some kind of bot? |
| 17:26.04 | bryjen | ~nslookup db.bzflag.org |
| 17:26.19 | JeffM2501 | the list server verifys your server is publicly accessable |
| 17:26.19 | BearPerson | ~bzfquery dtdm.org |
| 17:26.22 | CBG | So its just checking to see how many players and stuff? |
| 17:26.24 | JeffM2501 | so it does a fast connect wheny ou update |
| 17:26.25 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 17:26.28 | CBG | Ok. :) |
| 17:26.51 | Thumper_ | JeffM2501: with new list server: global login rejected, bad token |
| 17:27.29 | JeffM2501 | hmm that means she realy is behind a nasty nasty proxy |
| 17:27.39 | Thumper_ | :( |
| 17:27.44 | JeffM2501 | yeah I dono what else |
| 17:27.53 | JeffM2501 | something is screwing up her requests to the list server |
| 17:27.59 | JeffM2501 | and not giving her current data |
| 17:28.11 | Thumper_ | JeffM2501: ok |
| 17:28.26 | Tupone | Thumper_: what happens if she make the request from a browser? |
| 17:28.51 | Thumper_ | to the list server? |
| 17:28.55 | Tupone | yeah |
| 17:29.27 | Thumper_ | trying... |
| 17:29.31 | Tupone | run ./bzflag with -d -d -d and capture the request, do that in the browser |
| 17:30.08 | Thumper_ | uh that doesn't make sense to me... it's windows... and run bzflag in a browser?? |
| 17:30.14 | JeffM2501 | no no |
| 17:30.22 | JeffM2501 | he wants you to run with command line debuging on |
| 17:30.29 | JeffM2501 | and see what URL bzflag is trying to get |
| 17:30.30 | Thumper_ | ah two separate things |
| 17:30.30 | Thumper_ | ok |
| 17:30.37 | JeffM2501 | then put that URL in the browser |
| 17:30.41 | JeffM2501 | to see what her browser gets |
| 17:31.06 | JeffM2501 | simplest thing is, have her check her IE settings to see if she has a proxy |
| 17:31.57 | Thumper_ | ok in the browser: |
| 17:32.34 | Thumper_ | going to http://my.bzflag.org:81/db/ gives 'Unknown command:"' and the fields for input on the form |
| 17:32.58 | Tupone | you should also have a GET on the bzflag printout, append it |
| 17:34.37 | Tupone | bzflag should have 2 lines: an HOST one and a GET one. concatenate both before giving as url to the browser |
| 17:34.58 | Thumper_ | no proxy in IE setup. |
| 17:35.06 | bryjen | bzflag does this? i know bzfs does. how many -d 's ? |
| 17:35.07 | JeffM2501 | well that's good |
| 17:35.17 | JeffM2501 | bzflag dosnt do -d IIRC |
| 17:35.19 | JeffM2501 | it's another thing |
| 17:35.22 | Tupone | dunno :( |
| 17:35.26 | Thumper_ | oh. |
| 17:35.28 | bryjen | -d or -debug |
| 17:35.46 | bryjen | both work ( -d recently added ) |
| 17:35.56 | trepan | yup, -d was switched to -dir for the client |
| 17:35.57 | Thumper_ | how recent? |
| 17:36.24 | Tupone | it does not :( |
| 17:36.33 | Tupone | anymore I suppose |
| 17:36.36 | bryjen | ehm, not sure. -debug to be safe then |
| 17:36.48 | Thumper_ | they have 2.0.2 from 3/18 (windows build) |
| 17:37.01 | bryjen | yeah, i'm not seeing an URL from bzflag with -debugs |
| 17:37.22 | Tupone | bzflag now uses libcurl, so no url on 2.0.3 |
| 17:37.36 | Tupone | don't remember before |
| 17:41.24 | Tupone | http://my.bzflag.org/db/?action=LIST&version=BZFS0026&callsign=c3po&password=xxxxx |
| 17:41.38 | Tupone | put in the browser this string |
| 17:41.43 | Thumper_ | slow conversation medium... you guys -> me -> them -> me -> you guys... still working on it |
| 17:41.57 | Tupone | with good callsign and good password |
| 17:42.04 | Tupone | and prolly :81 things |
| 17:43.14 | Thumper_ | ok for me (where it works) I get the server list and "NOTOK: invalid callsign or password (c3po:xxxxx)" |
| 17:43.17 | Thumper_ | same for them |
| 17:43.19 | Thumper_ | without the :81 |
| 17:43.38 | JeffM2501 | put in a real username |
| 17:43.41 | JeffM2501 | and a reall password |
| 17:44.05 | JeffM2501 | the password for c3po is not xxxxx :) |
| 17:44.42 | BearPerson | I put in my nick and password and I get a token |
| 17:44.43 | Thumper_ | works better with real user/pwd gets TOKEN: numbers |
| 17:44.48 | Thumper_ | so do they |
| 17:44.56 | Thumper_ | busted bzflag client image maybe? |
| 17:45.22 | JeffM2501 | do there numbers match YOUR numbers? |
| 17:45.34 | JeffM2501 | that is the man who knows it all :) |
| 17:45.39 | TimRiker | the token numbers change each time you ask. |
| 17:45.45 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 17:45.51 | Thumper_ | we got 2 different token numbers for same user/pwd |
| 17:45.54 | Thumper_ | as expected |
| 17:45.56 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 17:46.01 | JeffM2501 | you'd have to do a verify then |
| 17:46.10 | JeffM2501 | on one of the tokens |
| 17:46.14 | BearPerson | when you check the token it becomes invalid |
| 17:46.55 | BearPerson | http://my.bzflag.org:81/db/?action=CHECKTOKENS&version=BZFS0026&checktokens=BearPerson%3D1655827214 |
| 17:47.02 | BearPerson | my token was 165... |
| 17:48.14 | TimRiker | Thumper_: I'm not following the whole conversation. someone can't get central login working, yes? do they get a token in the client? (/me can't recall if that shows up on non-debug builds now or not) |
| 17:48.27 | Thumper_ | correct |
| 17:48.33 | TimRiker | and have they tried the port 81 instead of 80? |
| 17:48.39 | Thumper_ | they get 'bad token' error |
| 17:48.45 | Thumper_ | using 81 makes no difference |
| 17:48.47 | TimRiker | oh... |
| 17:48.48 | JeffM2501 | with port 80 they get no error message but no login |
| 17:48.49 | Thumper_ | they don't have a proxy (we think) |
| 17:48.53 | JeffM2501 | 81 gives them a bad token |
| 17:48.56 | JeffM2501 | error |
| 17:49.18 | TimRiker | sounds like an IP mismatch. |
| 17:49.48 | TimRiker | ie: the request is coming from one machine, but the server is seeing the request from a different IP. |
| 17:49.49 | JeffM2501 | ruskie, same way the list server does |
| 17:49.53 | TimRiker | anyone check the logs on the server? |
| 17:50.05 | *** join/#bzflag CBG (~CannonBal@cpc3-stme1-5-0-cust91.cdif.cable.ntl.com) |
| 17:50.06 | *** join/#bzflag wizart (~wizart@dsl-084-058-049-177.arcor-ip.net) |
| 17:50.06 | Thumper_ | um no :) |
| 17:50.20 | *** join/#bzflag I_Died_Once (~cdae161a@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 17:50.40 | ruskie | JeffM2501, and that is? |
| 17:50.53 | JeffM2501 | it conencts to the server |
| 17:50.56 | JeffM2501 | but dosn't a real join |
| 17:51.02 | JeffM2501 | just hops on and gets the info |
| 17:51.23 | ruskie | any code anywhere I could use? |
| 17:51.40 | JeffM2501 | misc dir in source distro has php and perl versions that connect |
| 17:51.48 | ruskie | ahhh k tnx |
| 17:55.39 | Thumper_ | ok looking at logs... |
| 17:56.25 | Thumper_ | when it works I (for me) I get 'Player Test [0] has joined from ...' then global temp register and identify and it works |
| 17:56.44 | Thumper_ | they get only Player Test [0] has joined from... and nothing else |
| 17:57.15 | Thumper_ | and they get the error in the client |
| 18:01.23 | Thumper_ | working on getting the person with the problem on #bzflag... |
| 18:01.28 | Thumper_ | to take out themiddle man (me) |
| 18:04.56 | JeffM2501 | cosmos, chestal, or anyone else have logs on what Yugi did on there servers? |
| 18:07.59 | Birdie | cosmos has much much reports:) |
| 18:08.19 | Chestal | I have logs of messages, and they can be cnnected to IPs |
| 18:09.08 | JeffM2501 | can you mail them to me if you get a chance? |
| 18:09.10 | *** join/#bzflag bz7825 (~470a4a9d@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 18:09.40 | JeffM2501 | gotta compare it to what he's saying he did in the mail's he sent me |
| 18:09.59 | JeffM2501 | Chestal, do you think he shoudl be let back in now "since he's read the rules like 10 times now" ? |
| 18:10.15 | *** join/#bzflag Inferno (~470a4a9d@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 18:10.27 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, we don't do IP ranges on masterban |
| 18:10.34 | JeffM2501 | because it could get other users |
| 18:10.40 | JeffM2501 | and that is super harsh |
| 18:10.49 | ToughShooter | Will it be a hostban? |
| 18:10.53 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 18:10.59 | JeffM2501 | I'm not masterbaning him |
| 18:11.00 | JeffM2501 | at all |
| 18:11.02 | Chestal | JeffM2501: well, I don't really know a thing about this all. Ijust checked the logs because someone /reported that someone was spamming silly Hitler messages |
| 18:11.04 | ToughShooter | I use the same provider as Yugi |
| 18:11.05 | JeffM2501 | I band his username |
| 18:11.23 | JeffM2501 | Chestal, k |
| 18:11.30 | ToughShooter | Yugi uses "Yugi" and "Yug" as callsign |
| 18:11.42 | *** part/#bzflag DarthValou (~none@lsn-boi-catv-c121-p076.vtx.ch) |
| 18:11.42 | *** join/#bzflag l (~470a4a9d@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 18:11.49 | l | 123 |
| 18:11.55 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, we would never put anything on masterban that we were not 100% sure that would get more then just the peerson intendend |
| 18:12.20 | JeffM2501 | so we would never hostban or IP range ban him if it would posibly get you ( on the master server ) |
| 18:12.20 | *** join/#bzflag CBG (~CannonBal@cpc3-stme1-5-0-cust91.cdif.cable.ntl.com) |
| 18:12.22 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: :) |
| 18:12.28 | JeffM2501 | now server ops may |
| 18:12.30 | JeffM2501 | like hepcat |
| 18:12.38 | JeffM2501 | but that is there perogitive |
| 18:12.56 | JeffM2501 | I just want to compare what yugi realy did to what he says he did |
| 18:13.12 | ToughShooter | ~dict prerogative |
| 18:13.32 | JeffM2501 | Birdie, do you have access to said logs from hepcat? |
| 18:13.46 | JeffM2501 | or know of any other places that should be looked at? |
| 18:14.04 | JeffM2501 | or have an option if he should be unbaned if he says he knows better now? |
| 18:14.08 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: I think Sporty has some logs from secretplace |
| 18:14.11 | Birdie | dont unban him |
| 18:14.17 | Birdie | 100% sure |
| 18:14.22 | Birdie | i tried to help him once |
| 18:14.22 | JeffM2501 | a valid opionon :0 |
| 18:14.31 | Birdie | he said he would do better |
| 18:14.37 | JeffM2501 | and he wasn't? |
| 18:14.38 | Birdie | and never doing something wrong again |
| 18:14.38 | ToughShooter | I fully agree with Birdie |
| 18:14.43 | Birdie | day after he did the same |
| 18:14.46 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 18:15.01 | Birdie | (and not acces to logs) |
| 18:15.04 | Birdie | (as far as i know) |
| 18:15.08 | JeffM2501 | cosmos can right? |
| 18:15.13 | Birdie | ya he is the owner |
| 18:15.30 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 18:15.56 | JeffM2501 | I basicly told him he'd have to get ban exceptions on the servers that complained and have somone sponsor his unbaning |
| 18:16.01 | JeffM2501 | dosn't sound like that is going to happen |
| 18:16.24 | Birdie | first you help him, if you says he stays banned "haha i have much ip's" |
| 18:16.48 | JeffM2501 | but he only seems to have one e-mail address :) |
| 18:18.42 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, ping |
| 18:19.17 | *** join/#bzflag Mr_Burns (~steve@cpc3-rdng6-5-0-cust41.winn.cable.ntl.com) |
| 18:19.26 | bryjen | ~seen DTRemenak |
| 18:19.27 | ibot | dtremenak is currently on #bzflag |
| 18:19.36 | bryjen | thank you, ibot |
| 18:19.37 | JeffM2501 | hence the ping :) |
| 18:19.48 | bryjen | !seen DTRemenak |
| 18:19.48 | JeffM2501 | thinking of making reg issues forum auto prune |
| 18:19.48 | guu | bryjen: DTRemenak was last seen here 17 hours, 24 minutes, and 44 seconds ago saying: <DTRemenak> no problem |
| 18:20.00 | JeffM2501 | and making it so we remove the posts after we help somone |
| 18:20.05 | bryjen | guu rocks |
| 18:20.06 | guu | yes I do |
| 18:20.14 | JeffM2501 | that will make people make new posts instead of taking onto old ones |
| 18:20.27 | Mr_Burns | Hi JeffM, you were helping Thumper_ help me earlier |
| 18:20.39 | JeffM2501 | well many of us were |
| 18:20.44 | Mr_Burns | =8-) |
| 18:20.46 | JeffM2501 | well trying at least |
| 18:21.01 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker is the master of login problems |
| 18:22.13 | JeffM2501 | see |
| 18:22.20 | JeffM2501 | like login problem NINJA! |
| 18:22.24 | JeffM2501 | he drops from the sky |
| 18:23.50 | TimRiker | ~stab problems |
| 18:23.52 | ibot | ACTION runs at problems with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 18:23.56 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 18:24.14 | JeffM2501 | we have all seen that renfair picture of you |
| 18:24.27 | TimRiker | Mr_Burns: so talk. how far have you gotten? |
| 18:24.35 | Mr_Burns | ok |
| 18:24.42 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: which? the halloween one witht he kids? |
| 18:24.47 | Mr_Burns | just setting up :81 in config file |
| 18:24.51 | JeffM2501 | the one on the contest |
| 18:24.57 | JeffM2501 | ahh all hallows eve |
| 18:25.05 | JeffM2501 | kinda looked renfairish |
| 18:25.10 | JeffM2501 | but makes sens with the kiddies |
| 18:25.18 | TimRiker | http://rikers.org/gallery/2004halloween/20041030_174914 |
| 18:25.42 | JeffM2501 | the shot I saw was croped, didn't see a lightsaber :) |
| 18:25.52 | TimRiker | =) |
| 18:26.19 | Mr_Burns | Well. |
| 18:26.23 | TimRiker | henry wanted to be han solo. I just choose a piece of reliable technology. |
| 18:26.28 | Mr_Burns | Global login succeeded. |
| 18:26.36 | TimRiker | Mr_Burns: you're welcome. ;-) |
| 18:26.43 | Mr_Burns | Hmm |
| 18:26.49 | JeffM2501 | han solo ROCKS! |
| 18:27.04 | Mr_Burns | Quite why it hasn't worked until now is a mystery. |
| 18:27.18 | JeffM2501 | light sabers are not as random or clumsy as a blaster |
| 18:27.26 | JeffM2501 | a weapon from a more civilsed age |
| 18:29.00 | JeffM2501 | well yeah those work too |
| 18:29.01 | bryjen | no messy hacked off body parts laying around |
| 18:29.54 | bryjen | if you shoot 'em with that, you'll just make 'em mad... |
| 18:30.12 | JeffM2501 | I shold send you the comedy segement on it |
| 18:30.15 | JeffM2501 | was very funny |
| 18:30.28 | JeffM2501 | set phasers to "sudden intrest in bottany" |
| 18:31.07 | JeffM2501 | naw naw, don't shoot him, that will just make him angry |
| 18:31.21 | Mr_Burns | Star Wars people the possible cause of the login problem, interested in are you? |
| 18:32.23 | JeffM2501 | they have been known to cause problems |
| 18:32.31 | JeffM2501 | with all that waiting in front of the theater |
| 18:33.05 | Mr_Burns | Sorry, bad Yoda impression on my part. |
| 18:33.11 | orange | I think Mr_Burns gets points for a creative on-topic way of pushing the conversation back to his problem :-) |
| 18:33.39 | Mr_Burns | Yoda: "Star Wars people, the possible cause of the login problem, interested in, are you?" |
| 18:33.44 | Mr_Burns | 8-) |
| 18:34.04 | Mr_Burns | In the config file which didn't work: |
| 18:34.19 | Mr_Burns | set email "" |
| 18:34.25 | Mr_Burns | in the one that did: |
| 18:35.06 | Mr_Burns | #set email trouble@mill~ |
| 18:35.38 | Mr_Burns | Will try with email address in place... |
| 18:36.20 | bryjen | the email string shouldn't matter. its not used for anything |
| 18:36.42 | Tupone | ignoring my commit :( |
| 18:36.56 | Mr_Burns | with trouble@mill~ string, got a "server forced a disconnect" |
| 18:37.03 | TimRiker | woot! FCC Broadcast Flag Struck Down - see /. |
| 18:37.25 | bryjen | bah, http://lwn.net/Articles/134944/ |
| 18:39.44 | Mr_Burns | Back on my topic, if I may. The server didn't like the trailing tilde. |
| 18:39.53 | TimRiker | central login does character validation on fields, but the email field is not sent to the central server as part of the login. |
| 18:40.05 | bryjen | that's not a math operator or somesuch in BZDB.... |
| 18:40.27 | Mr_Burns | It's a shell metacharacter |
| 18:40.49 | bryjen | well, yeah. but we don't have a shell in bzflag.... yet... ;) |
| 18:40.59 | TimRiker | Mr_Burns: hmm. I didn't think that bzfs had any requirements on the contents of the email string other than possible profanity checks. |
| 18:41.24 | TimRiker | Mr_Burns: try setting it to something normal like "foo" or "me@example.com" |
| 18:41.35 | bryjen | ibot: nickometer trouble@mill~ |
| 18:41.58 | Mr_Burns | I only added it there as someone was using it to trigger stats or something. |
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| 18:42.55 | TimRiker | Mr_Burns: hmm. I can't think of anything triggered from there. it's possible that some stats server might. I just don't know of any that do. |
| 18:43.30 | bryjen | Cods or someone was using it for local stats collection on their server |
| 18:43.49 | Mr_Burns | Well I'm perfectly happy to drop it. |
| 18:44.05 | Mr_Burns | And I'm hanging onto "trouble@mill" ;) |
| 18:45.15 | *** join/#bzflag rabbit25 (~rabbit25@pcp03852369pcs.martnz01.ga.comcast.net) |
| 18:45.52 | rabbit25 | hi |
| 18:50.25 | *** join/#bzflag Mr_Burns (~steve@cpc3-rdng6-5-0-cust41.winn.cable.ntl.com) |
| 18:50.58 | Mr_Burns | Thanks for the help earlier. |
| 18:51.13 | Mr_Burns | Dropped off there - novice IRC driver here... |
| 18:53.18 | *** part/#bzflag Mr_Burns (~steve@cpc3-rdng6-5-0-cust41.winn.cable.ntl.com) |
| 18:54.13 | *** join/#bzflag ianarse (~5221c3d9@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 18:55.04 | ianarse | help please! why cant anyone join my BZflag server, they can join but as soon as they spawn they get kicked out |
| 18:55.31 | ianarse | its really doing muy head in |
| 18:56.02 | ianarse | please? |
| 18:57.18 | JeffM2501 | what does the reason for the kick say? |
| 18:58.12 | ianarse | thanks jeff, the scenario goes they join...ok, they spawn...server says they signed off |
| 18:59.03 | ianarse | my bots can join and spawn, as i can too |
| 19:01.10 | ianarse | apparently anyone that joins gets the message 'server disconected' but its still running and functioning ok |
| 19:01.22 | ianarse | weird |
| 19:02.02 | ianarse | 10mb line |
| 19:02.39 | ianarse | Windows ME...please dont laugh |
| 19:03.34 | *** join/#bzflag Inferno (~470a4a9d@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 19:03.42 | ianarse | running server from bat file edited |
| 19:04.18 | ruskie | ianarse, address? |
| 19:04.21 | ianarse | jeff? any ideas? |
| 19:05.40 | TimRiker | ianarse: public server? do you require central login? what about local login? perhaps you upgraded, had a group file and didn't add the SPAWN permission? what if you login with a different nick? |
| 19:06.09 | TimRiker | ruskie: the website has some, the wiki has more, protocol.h has an overview. |
| 19:06.10 | ianarse | FAIRGROUND At SpEeD hIgH jump (scream if you wanna go faster)" -publicaddr 82.33.195.217:5155 |
| 19:06.16 | ruskie | TimRiker, k tnx |
| 19:06.26 | TimRiker | ~bzfquery 82.33.195.217:5155 |
| 19:06.36 | ianarse | thanks tim.....spawn permission ....what is this |
| 19:07.35 | TimRiker | ianarse: the group "everyone" has "spawn" by default. removing it from everyone and then granting it to specific users and/or groups creates a public server for limited use. |
| 19:08.00 | TimRiker | if you aren't doing any user/group authentication (ie: no groupdb) then you don't need to worry about it. |
| 19:08.19 | TimRiker | perhaps udp is not open into your server and the server requires udp? |
| 19:08.57 | TimRiker | list server and ibot uses tcp only to connect, but players use udp too. |
| 19:09.19 | Tupone | ianarse: have you added -d -d -d to see if bzfs signal some problem on external players |
| 19:09.43 | DTRemenak | bryjen, JeffM2501: pong |
| 19:10.53 | ianarse | hmmm ok a few things there i can pick at, thanks guys |
| 19:11.23 | *** join/#bzflag Thumper_Away (~bernt@CPE000102d0fe24-CM0012256ecbde.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 19:12.01 | ianarse | yep think i covered pretty much most of those tim...this is really weird |
| 19:14.01 | ianarse | has anyone tried spawning into my server? |
| 19:14.33 | ianarse | cheers ruskie |
| 19:14.39 | bryjen | yes. it sets there with "Right click to start" flashing on the screen |
| 19:15.08 | ruskie | I can't spawn |
| 19:15.14 | ruskie | but I am there |
| 19:15.21 | ianarse | yup, weird isn't it |
| 19:15.31 | ianarse | thansk for giving it a go |
| 19:15.38 | bryjen | the client's not totally b0rked tho, the menus still work to get out |
| 19:15.41 | ruskie | and no global login |
| 19:16.01 | ianarse | no blobal login? |
| 19:16.04 | ruskie | nope |
| 19:16.07 | ianarse | global |
| 19:16.15 | ianarse | what does this mean? |
| 19:16.23 | ruskie | that it's not public |
| 19:16.40 | ruskie | do you have -i and -pubaddr |
| 19:16.43 | ianarse | aha so i need to put in..... the command line? |
| 19:16.56 | ruskie | both require a param |
| 19:17.04 | ianarse | not the -i.....................YES big thanks this could be it |
| 19:17.19 | ianarse | -i what is this? |
| 19:17.26 | ruskie | interface |
| 19:17.40 | ianarse | ok parameter? |
| 19:18.10 | ruskie | the ip of your server |
| 19:19.03 | bryjen | you don't need them if the pc only has 1 network card. -public is what make it public, and its it the server list, so its on |
| 19:19.47 | ruskie | bryjen, it doesn't hurt to try don't you think? |
| 19:20.15 | bryjen | well, ya, it should not hurt. |
| 19:20.24 | ianarse | -public "FAIRGROUND At SpEeD hIgH jump (scream if you wanna go faster)" -publicaddr 82.33.195.217:5155 |
| 19:20.30 | bryjen | "should" can be a dangerous word |
| 19:20.34 | ianarse | command line is as such |
| 19:21.42 | ruskie | try adding -i 82.33.195.217 and restart |
| 19:21.54 | ruskie | bryjen, wouldn't a lo device be considered an extra net card? |
| 19:22.15 | ianarse | hmm ok...ill kick it now |
| 19:22.50 | Grumbler | ruskie, only if you are working high-low, and then you have to have the ability to post up and get the rock in the bucket |
| 19:23.30 | Grumbler | ;) |
| 19:24.02 | bryjen | no, loopback is ok. really it should try to grab all the interfaces if you don't specify one. |
| 19:24.14 | bryjen | so -i would be for limiting it |
| 19:24.22 | ianarse | that just dumped the server.....i'll look into -i more thanks good people |
| 19:25.10 | ianarse | -public "FAIRGROUND At SpEeD hIgH jump (scream if you wanna go faster)" -publicaddr 82.33.195.217:5155 |
| 19:25.10 | bryjen | odd. my client looks like its going, but doing a netstat shows the tcp connection gets closed |
| 19:25.21 | ianarse | am sorry |
| 19:25.25 | ianarse | d |
| 19:25.39 | ruskie | ianarse, and you could add a -ddd to your commandline |
| 19:26.02 | *** join/#bzflag Inferno (~470a4a9d@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 19:26.26 | Inferno | 123 |
| 19:26.28 | Inferno | 321 |
| 19:26.28 | Inferno | 258 |
| 19:26.51 | Inferno | weird, it tool forever for it to load in NN |
| 19:27.12 | ianarse | not sure what thats showing me at the moment the -ddd |
| 19:27.27 | ruskie | ianarse, www.pastebin.com and copy paste |
| 19:27.40 | ianarse | unread discard packet......blah blah |
| 19:27.59 | Inferno | does anyone know where I can get fee perl consulting? |
| 19:28.17 | Inferno | probably on the web |
| 19:28.21 | bryjen | this is not #perl |
| 19:28.33 | ruskie | Inferno, learn to use a real irc client |
| 19:28.58 | bryjen | and google is your friend |
| 19:29.18 | brlcad | ~bzflist |
| 19:29.30 | bryjen | eek, its a brlcad! |
| 19:29.35 | Inferno | ruskie, I was using one, I'm just trying to figure out how this CGI:IRC thingy works. Please excuse me while I try |
| 19:29.38 | Pimpinella | hehe |
| 19:29.46 | ruskie | lol |
| 19:29.52 | brlcad | no way! |
| 19:30.06 | ruskie | ~bzfquery dtdm.org:5154 |
| 19:30.11 | ruskie | :( |
| 19:30.23 | Inferno | what is this ibot thingy all about? |
| 19:30.33 | ruskie | it's a thingy named ibot |
| 19:30.34 | Pimpinella | it'sa blootbot |
| 19:30.38 | bryjen | ~ibot |
| 19:30.53 | bryjen | uhm |
| 19:31.04 | TimRiker | hmm |
| 19:31.06 | BearPerson | ibot, what is ibot? |
| 19:31.08 | ibot | BearPerson: what are you talking about? |
| 19:31.08 | Pimpinella | a bot based on infobot written in perl |
| 19:31.23 | TimRiker | ibot: ibot? |
| 19:31.28 | BearPerson | ibot, ibot is a bot based on infobot written in perl |
| 19:31.29 | ibot | okay, BearPerson |
| 19:31.38 | brlcad | hrm |
| 19:31.40 | TimRiker | ibot ibot is <reply> me! (see blootbot) |
| 19:31.41 | ibot | ...but ibot is already something else... |
| 19:31.42 | ruskie | :) |
| 19:31.46 | brlcad | someone deleted ibot? |
| 19:31.49 | bryjen | ibot should alreadly know about ibot |
| 19:32.10 | TimRiker | ibot undelete ibot |
| 19:32.10 | ibot | TimRiker: cannot undeleted 'ibot' because it already exists! |
| 19:32.11 | Pimpinella | haXored ;) |
| 19:32.23 | bryjen | labotomized |
| 19:32.24 | BearPerson | oops, sorry about that :) |
| 19:32.26 | brlcad | it used to be a big ol' paragraph |
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| 19:34.02 | bryjen | ~status |
| 19:34.03 | ibot | Since Wed Apr 27 04:23:19 2005, there have been 93 modifications, 932 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 1010 commands. I have been awake for 9d 15h 10m 43s this session, and currently reference 108582 factoids. I'm using about 20136 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 19231.49/1155.62 child 1403.81/141.83 |
| 19:34.17 | TimRiker | ibot: no, ibot is a blootbot written in perl run by TimRiker on his server. logs on http://ibot.rikers.org/<chan>/ , ibot, jbot, apt are all the same process. It uses sqlite, but mysql or other SQL storage is also supported. |
| 19:34.18 | ibot | okay, TimRiker |
| 19:34.46 | ruskie | hmm rbot uses berkely db |
| 19:35.26 | TimRiker | infobot does, but blootbot uses sql. that include sqlite which is one local file. |
| 19:35.32 | ruskie | though would be nice to have a sqlite interface |
| 19:35.49 | TimRiker | yes. allows for other queries. |
| 19:36.02 | TimRiker | ~factinfo ibot |
| 19:36.02 | ibot | ibot -- last modified 1m 44s ago by TimRiker!~timr@TimRiker.active.supporter.pdpc. |
| 19:36.21 | bryjen | ~TimRiker |
| 19:36.23 | ibot | somebody said timriker was my owner http://rikers.org/ mailto:Tim@Rikers.org mailto:TimR@Debian.org mailto:Tim@TI.com maintainer of BZFlag, member of a ton of open source projects http://www.advogato.com/person/timriker/ http://sourceforge.net/users/timriker/ the guy who GPL'd SCO's ABI files, giving every Linux user the right to use them ;-), or a very cool ... |
| 19:36.43 | TimRiker | ooh. I'm a cool ... |
| 19:36.57 | Grumbler | close the window |
| 19:37.02 | bryjen | ellipsis |
| 19:37.07 | ruskie | I'll stick with rbot... maybe some day in the future the author will decide to make an sqlite interface |
| 19:37.10 | TimRiker | ~backwards |
| 19:37.11 | ibot | Did you know, Ctrl-Q makes your text go backwards in many IRC clients? You might be able to read this: .stneilc tsom sesolc tsuj siht esruoc fO |
| 19:37.26 | ruskie | erm... |
| 19:37.31 | ruskie | does that work in irssi? |
| 19:37.41 | TimRiker | don't think so. |
| 19:37.42 | ruskie | lol |
| 19:37.58 | TimRiker | hehe |
| 19:38.14 | orange | it's writing backwards that takes time |
| 19:38.25 | orange | (without first writing it forward and copying back) |
| 19:38.26 | Grumbler | ~slap TimRiker for being evil |
| 19:38.28 | ibot | ACTION slaps TimRiker for being evil, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 19:38.34 | ruskie | nope not bound |
| 19:38.41 | TimRiker | don't recall if ibot has a command that reverses stuff or not. |
| 19:39.11 | TimRiker | Grumbler: well, nobody fell for it, so I guess it's not that evil. |
| 19:39.19 | ruskie | want another bot in here? |
| 19:39.24 | TimRiker | nope |
| 19:39.29 | ruskie | *grin* |
| 19:39.44 | TimRiker | they are welcome in #botpark though |
| 19:40.00 | JeffM2501 | guu is barely tolerated :) |
| 19:40.00 | guu | Bugger all, I dunno! |
| 19:40.08 | ruskie | :)) |
| 19:40.17 | JeffM2501 | but she knows a few tricks |
| 19:40.26 | brlcad | ~lock ibot |
| 19:40.30 | TimRiker | ibot flog guu |
| 19:40.32 | ibot | ACTION hog-ties guu and starts the heavy punishment with a cat-o-nine-tails. |
| 19:40.32 | guu | I don't have a clue! |
| 19:40.47 | TimRiker | ~lock ibot |
| 19:40.47 | ibot | locking factoid ibot, TimRiker |
| 19:40.52 | TimRiker | brlcad++ |
| 19:40.54 | JeffM2501 | I think she's show ibot a few tricks |
| 19:40.55 | TimRiker | ~brlcad++ |
| 19:41.02 | JeffM2501 | ibot does RSS now right? |
| 19:42.03 | ToughShooter | ~karma guu |
| 19:42.03 | ibot | guu has karma of 8 |
| 19:42.03 | guu | I don't know! |
| 19:42.12 | ToughShooter | ~karma ibot |
| 19:42.12 | ibot | ibot has karma of 13 |
| 19:42.24 | ToughShooter | karma wars ;-) |
| 19:42.37 | bryjen | ~karma brlcad |
| 19:42.37 | ibot | brlcad has karma of 71 |
| 19:42.41 | JeffM2501 | but then we know that ibot had to karma it'self |
| 19:42.45 | Grumbler | TimRiker, evil does not necessarily imply intelligence........ |
| 19:43.43 | ToughShooter | guu can't do celsius..she's a meanie |
| 19:43.43 | guu | ToughShooter: Huwwwwat!!?!?! |
| 19:44.03 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: re ibot rss, yes. |
| 19:44.21 | bryjen | She's not mean, she's just configured that way ;) |
| 19:44.23 | JeffM2501 | cool |
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| 19:48.55 | CBG | JeffM2501: Is this (http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=35359) an improvment to my attitude/behaviour. |
| 19:49.24 | JeffM2501 | dude you don't need to prove anything |
| 19:49.49 | JeffM2501 | you've helped others in the past, I never doubted that you didn't mind helping. |
| 19:49.56 | CBG | Thanks. :) |
| 19:50.19 | JeffM2501 | again it's another reason your not baned after some of the other misunderstandings that have happend with people :) |
| 19:50.49 | CBG | "other" misunderstandings? |
| 19:52.32 | JeffM2501 | just the other times people have been mad at you |
| 19:52.37 | JeffM2501 | when you joked and they didn't get it |
| 19:53.02 | CBG | Oh... So, pretty much everyone, all the time.... |
| 19:53.08 | JeffM2501 | it's not all the time |
| 19:53.29 | CBG | I know, i know... |
| 19:53.54 | CBG | But I'm sure some would disagree with you there. :) |
| 19:54.13 | JeffM2501 | everyone disagrees with somone on something |
| 19:54.30 | CBG | Lol. I guess. ;) |
| 19:54.53 | CBG | Except.... No-one thinks Lenny Henry is not funny as heck... |
| 19:55.17 | JeffM2501 | yay all cleaned up reg forum |
| 19:55.52 | CBG | Can you define an x and a y value for world size, so that the world is not square |
| 19:56.02 | brlcad | in peace? or peaces? |
| 19:56.15 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, in peaches |
| 19:56.19 | JeffM2501 | it's good for the skin |
| 19:56.22 | bryjen | Mmm |
| 19:56.24 | brlcad | mm.. peaches |
| 19:56.51 | bryjen | Pie! |
| 19:57.47 | trepan | JeffM2501: why so? |
| 19:58.01 | bryjen | CBG: the world is sqaure. and flat ;) |
| 19:58.19 | CBG | bryjen. So you cant make it a rectangle? |
| 19:58.29 | bryjen | nope |
| 19:58.33 | CBG | Ok. Thanks. |
| 20:03.55 | JeffM2501 | trepan, it's said 38min for the last 2 hours |
| 20:04.10 | JeffM2501 | about ever 5-10 min I get 0.1 more megs of it |
| 20:04.29 | trepan | odd, it shouldn't be my machine doing the limiting |
| 20:04.33 | JeffM2501 | 110.1 out of 150.2 atm |
| 20:04.44 | JeffM2501 | guess I'll just let it keep going |
| 20:05.15 | JeffM2501 | tho I haven't seen it move in a very very long time |
| 20:13.26 | trepan | hehe, implemented the second part to the "Lights, Cameras, Action" tagline |
| 20:14.22 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 20:14.24 | trepan | ("groupable" named cameras) |
| 20:14.56 | DTRemenak | not to belittle cameras, 'cause cameras are cool |
| 20:15.07 | trepan | good for dev testing, if nothing else |
| 20:15.25 | JeffM2501 | how does one view from a camera? |
| 20:15.27 | JeffM2501 | in observer? |
| 20:15.31 | trepan | the action part is the fps increase, plus some frills ;-) |
| 20:15.32 | JeffM2501 | just sets the view to that? |
| 20:15.43 | trepan | yup, just another observer mode |
| 20:15.47 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 20:15.50 | trepan | use F6//F7 to switch between 'em |
| 20:15.53 | JeffM2501 | could be fun for "arean" games |
| 20:15.58 | JeffM2501 | arena even |
| 20:16.01 | trepan | got pos/dir/fov(degrees) |
| 20:16.03 | DTRemenak | screenshot positions was the first thing I thought of |
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| 20:16.20 | CBG | I thought it was F8 |
| 20:16.24 | JeffM2501 | it would be a very intersting way to performance test bzflag |
| 20:16.27 | JeffM2501 | have a standard map |
| 20:16.32 | JeffM2501 | with standard views |
| 20:16.32 | orange | I smell a lights, camera, action 2.0.3 release |
| 20:16.39 | trepan | F8 to get into the mode |
| 20:16.40 | JeffM2501 | the run like 10 frames in each |
| 20:16.43 | JeffM2501 | and time it all |
| 20:16.51 | JeffM2501 | that way you can do valid comparisons |
| 20:16.57 | trepan | JeffM2501: exactly |
| 20:17.01 | CBG | whats a normal fps? |
| 20:17.06 | CBG | roughly.... |
| 20:17.06 | trepan | 3 |
| 20:17.12 | CBG | Lol. |
| 20:17.19 | JeffM2501 | anyything over 30 your eye should not be able to see the dif |
| 20:17.30 | JeffM2501 | under 15 will start to look choppy |
| 20:17.37 | CBG | I heard some were getting over 80... |
| 20:17.41 | JeffM2501 | but then depends on the speed of your optical nevers |
| 20:17.43 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:17.45 | JeffM2501 | some get realy high |
| 20:18.25 | CBG | I tend to get around 15/20... |
| 20:18.25 | JeffM2501 | tho FPS over your refresh is stupid |
| 20:18.25 | orange | it's hard to play < 30, imo |
| 20:18.25 | JeffM2501 | on that little chipset that's about as good as you get |
| 20:18.25 | TimRiker | I can see the diff tween 30 and 60-72 or so over that I don't notice anything. |
| 20:18.48 | CBG | So, its my graphics drivers giving me low fps? |
| 20:18.48 | CBG | As in, theres no quick fix if your fps is low? |
| 20:18.58 | TimRiker | CBG: turn some stuff off. ;-) |
| 20:18.59 | orange | turn down details |
| 20:19.04 | CBG | Hmm... |
| 20:19.08 | orange | that's pretty quick |
| 20:19.23 | TimRiker | ligths/shadows/smoothing are the first things I trun off. |
| 20:19.26 | CBG | I have tinkered with the options, and stuff... Didnt notice a vast improvement, |
| 20:19.34 | CBG | Ok. Ill have another go. :) |
| 20:19.53 | TimRiker | and make sure z buffer is on if it works. |
| 20:19.54 | DTRemenak | your average eye is capable of seeing about 75 fps. over that or over your refresh rate it's just dumb numbers |
| 20:20.22 | CBG | How do I find out what my refresh rate is? |
| 20:20.24 | DTRemenak | less than half that and you start to notice the lack of motion |
| 20:22.00 | JeffM2501 | you don't have one |
| 20:22.04 | JeffM2501 | your on a LCD |
| 20:22.12 | CBG | Ah. Right. :) |
| 20:22.23 | JeffM2501 | you have a display latency |
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| 20:22.28 | JeffM2501 | probably prety high |
| 20:22.31 | CBG | I do? |
| 20:22.56 | JeffM2501 | yeah LCDs have a min time it takes to change a pixel's state |
| 20:23.02 | JeffM2501 | that is the latency |
| 20:23.06 | CBG | Oh. cool. |
| 20:23.08 | JeffM2501 | aka how fast it's posible to change the device |
| 20:23.18 | JeffM2501 | many older ones are rather slow |
| 20:23.22 | CBG | On the topic of displays, is TFT a good LCD or not? |
| 20:23.31 | orange | usually LCD's refresh at 60Hz, no? |
| 20:23.32 | Grumbler | lcd displays make you sick |
| 20:23.33 | JeffM2501 | and will blur or ghost on fast games |
| 20:23.43 | JeffM2501 | orange, that's what they do in VGA mode |
| 20:23.47 | JeffM2501 | for comptabability |
| 20:24.00 | Grumbler | although the play between bzflag and ut2004 is funny, because ut2004 does not make you sick |
| 20:24.01 | JeffM2501 | but the actual display has a real time |
| 20:25.47 | JeffM2501 | the concept of "refresh" is only valid on analog display signals |
| 20:25.54 | JeffM2501 | there is no need for them on a digital signal |
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| 20:28.32 | orange | hmmm... there are still framebuffers to be swapped out right? |
| 20:29.09 | CBG | Would a low fps cause a jagged affect on maps? |
| 20:29.16 | CBG | Like on the central pyramnid here: http://www.kaziaz.com/stuff/map1.png |
| 20:29.19 | JeffM2501 | that depends on the card orange |
| 20:29.36 | JeffM2501 | in the DVI world that part is left up to the card |
| 20:29.40 | DTRemenak | CBG: that's zfighting, not low fps |
| 20:29.57 | CBG | zfighting? |
| 20:30.03 | DTRemenak | your zbuffer is not accurate enough at that distance |
| 20:30.27 | CBG | What exactly is my zbuffer? |
| 20:30.28 | DTRemenak | it has to figure out whether the pyramid or the boxes are closer to you |
| 20:31.12 | DTRemenak | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z-buffering |
| 20:31.19 | CBG | thanks :) |
| 20:33.10 | DTRemenak | note in particular that "The granularity of a z-buffer has a great influence on the scene quality". it can't figure out which one's closer because they both have the same truncated z value |
| 20:33.28 | DTRemenak | that's what's happening at the base of your pyramid in that screenshot |
| 20:33.36 | JeffM2501 | he only gets a 16 bit depth buffer |
| 20:33.39 | CBG | Ok. I see. :) I think. Thanks DTR. |
| 20:33.53 | JeffM2501 | his driver won't tell the card to give him a 32 |
| 20:34.14 | CBG | His? I'm right here. :) |
| 20:34.15 | DTRemenak | that would explain why it looks like that |
| 20:34.36 | JeffM2501 | yeah like ass |
| 20:34.54 | CBG | :( |
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| 20:36.04 | JeffM2501 | your on 10.2? |
| 20:36.10 | CBG | 10.3.9 |
| 20:36.14 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 20:36.17 | Inferno | hello |
| 20:36.19 | JeffM2501 | maybe then you don't have enough vram |
| 20:36.20 | CBG | Hi inferno |
| 20:36.36 | CBG | Perhaps... I wouldn't know... lol |
| 20:36.42 | Thumper_Away | JeffM2501: problem fixed (re global login) |
| 20:36.50 | JeffM2501 | Thumper_Away, yeah I saw |
| 20:36.52 | JeffM2501 | congrats |
| 20:37.18 | trepan | ~Tupone++ |
| 20:37.37 | CBG | ~DTRemenak++ |
| 20:37.39 | Thumper_Away | JeffM2501: was config file entry for email with "" that broke it |
| 20:37.39 | Tupone | I did just a bit, I wanna add byte transferred |
| 20:37.46 | trepan | for makin it mandatory, damn 'em all ;) |
| 20:37.49 | JeffM2501 | ahhh |
| 20:37.49 | Tupone | ahh |
| 20:38.13 | Thumper_Away | set email "" (to be specific) |
| 20:38.33 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 20:38.59 | Thumper_Away | ooooh...ahhh.... ;) |
| 20:39.05 | JeffM2501 | mmmmmmm |
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| 20:40.50 | JeffM2501 | well it looks like williman256 snaped under the pressure of people telling him his website was ugly |
| 20:43.01 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 20:43.03 | Thumper_Away | JeffM2501: uh account with ? works fine for global login... could you put the ? back on Does...' account? Please.... :D |
| 20:43.10 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 20:43.19 | Thumper_Away | Thx! |
| 20:43.32 | JeffM2501 | can I delete Test? |
| 20:43.48 | Thumper_Away | both Test and Test? (yes) |
| 20:44.13 | JeffM2501 | done and done |
| 20:44.31 | Thumper_ | thanks :) |
| 20:44.36 | JeffM2501 | np |
| 20:44.39 | Thumper_ | ~JeffM2501++ |
| 20:45.06 | JeffM2501 | tho acording to williman256 you should all be playing farcry since it's a much better game. |
| 20:45.39 | JeffM2501 | I'll never understand the youth of todayt |
| 20:51.56 | trepan | Tupone: i just cvs updated, can you connect to a local server? |
| 20:52.15 | Tupone | I'm connecting to remote |
| 20:52.31 | trepan | try local |
| 20:52.42 | Tupone | ok, I will in a moment |
| 20:52.58 | trepan | up'ing while dev'ing sucks ;) |
| 20:53.15 | bryjen | trepan: localhost works here, up'ed this morning |
| 20:54.15 | trepan | bryjen: there have been 3 commits within about an hour, but good to know |
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| 20:54.42 | bryjen | is the CIA asleep at the wheel? |
| 20:55.30 | Tupone | do not hear my commit |
| 20:55.34 | trepan | fake love, she doesn't whisper sweet nothing anymore |
| 20:57.01 | bryjen | i'd more expect it to pick your pockets ;) |
| 20:57.51 | Tupone | trepan I don't join with localhost, only with 127.0.0.1 |
| 20:59.25 | Tupone | prolly ares misconfiguration |
| 20:59.27 | trepan | Tupone: sry, to be specific, i was trying to join "imajica" |
| 20:59.37 | trepan | that's the name that appears in the server list |
| 20:59.48 | trepan | joining to 127.0.0.1 works |
| 21:00.03 | trepan | joining to localhost does not |
| 21:00.55 | bryjen | localhost still works here :/ and "localhost" is in the server list |
| 21:01.27 | bryjen | oddly in the middle |
| 21:01.52 | bryjen | ah, the top of the hosts with no clients |
| 21:01.59 | Tupone | I don't find any imajica ... too much work |
| 21:03.24 | Tupone | bryjen: probably localhost is in your dns. ? |
| 21:03.26 | bryjen | 127.0.0.1 localhost is in my /etc/hosts |
| 21:03.29 | trepan | that only appears when i don't make it public |
| 21:03.51 | trepan | 127.0.0.1 imajica localhost is in my /etc/hosts |
| 21:04.28 | Tupone | trepan: have to see why c-ares does not read hosts |
| 21:05.06 | Tupone | perhaps it try dns before, have to check |
| 21:06.21 | bryjen | odd. one of my dns servers does answer 127.0.0.1 for localhost |
| 21:13.30 | Grumbler | you fudged the host file? |
| 21:14.48 | jpa- | rabbit25: i'm sorry |
| 21:14.52 | jpa- | i men't: |
| 21:16.35 | CBG | How can you hug somehting you just ate? |
| 21:18.14 | JeffM2501 | head and arms up--------> well I asume you get the visual :) |
| 21:18.46 | CBG | Nope... :) |
| 21:19.26 | jpa- | rabbit25 is very durable |
| 21:19.35 | jpa- | i've eaten him many many times :) |
| 21:20.07 | CBG | yes... I see.. |
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| 21:39.32 | DTRemenak | trepan: ping |
| 21:39.39 | trepan | pong |
| 21:40.26 | DTRemenak | texcoord takes three or more arguments, not two, right? |
| 21:40.35 | trepan | 2, u/v |
| 21:40.44 | DTRemenak | ok... |
| 21:40.46 | trepan | "texcoords" can take many indices |
| 21:41.05 | DTRemenak | k, saving worlds is borked thn |
| 21:41.29 | DTRemenak | I get stuff like this: texcoord 24.68333244 8.00000000 24.68333244 |
| 21:41.41 | DTRemenak | in a map saved from the client |
| 21:41.52 | DTRemenak | input map has just the first two values |
| 21:42.27 | trepan | bzfs still parses it though, right? |
| 21:42.33 | trepan | ... and it's fixed |
| 21:42.36 | DTRemenak | the saved map? |
| 21:42.38 | DTRemenak | dunno |
| 21:42.45 | DTRemenak | client crashes halfway through saving it |
| 21:42.49 | trepan | ya, the saved map |
| 21:42.58 | DTRemenak | the last line is texcoord 7.94999981 12.00000000 -4220168318605284400000000000ÌÌÌÌÌÌü° ;) |
| 21:43.19 | trepan | ah, ok, i've got it fixed here, but i've got way too many changes to do a local commit |
| 21:43.26 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 21:43.32 | DTRemenak | you looked at svk? |
| 21:43.43 | trepan | svk? |
| 21:43.51 | DTRemenak | it lets you basically run in patchsets |
| 21:44.14 | DTRemenak | so you can pull a particular patchset wrt the main tree out of your heavily modified tree |
| 21:44.22 | DTRemenak | at least that's what the wine people say |
| 21:44.29 | DTRemenak | I haven't looked at it |
| 21:44.35 | trepan | subversion tool? |
| 21:44.43 | DTRemenak | works with cvs too apparently |
| 21:45.14 | trepan | think i'll just wait and dump 'em all in once it's tested :) |
| 21:45.18 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 21:45.24 | DTRemenak | works for me |
| 21:46.05 | DTRemenak | ok, I have another question too. |
| 21:46.06 | trepan | that the first time you've crashed there saving a world? |
| 21:46.10 | DTRemenak | yeah, it is |
| 21:46.34 | DTRemenak | recently, anyway :) |
| 21:46.45 | DTRemenak | 1.11 had some issues but I thought they all got fixed |
| 21:46.47 | trepan | never seen it myself ;) |
| 21:47.16 | DTRemenak | anyway, I was playing with includes |
| 21:47.40 | trepan | ah, i found part of my "relative" patch for that |
| 21:47.49 | DTRemenak | what happens/is supposed to happen if A includes B, C, and D, each of which includes E? |
| 21:48.59 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/obstacle/MeshObstacle.cxx: texcoord printing fix, spotted by DTR |
| 21:49.15 | DTRemenak | ah, cool thx |
| 21:49.15 | trepan | 'mv', helpful |
| 21:49.32 | trepan | DTRemenak: how do you mean about the includes? |
| 21:49.37 | DTRemenak | in map files |
| 21:49.43 | DTRemenak | include x.bzw |
| 21:51.18 | trepan | they are included, but shouldn't break object boundaries (iirc) |
| 21:51.22 | trepan | i used it all the time |
| 21:51.25 | DTRemenak | what I'm seeing and don't understand is that the client only gets part of A, all of B, and all of E, C and D being skipped entirely. no warnings from bzfs at debug 3 |
| 21:52.30 | trepan | you have the files available? |
| 21:52.37 | DTRemenak | B, C, and D each have "include E" and one mesh object definition in them. A includes B, C, and D and instantiates one of each of them. |
| 21:52.39 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 21:53.15 | DTRemenak | oh, and E is just a material definition |
| 21:53.45 | trepan | untested -> undocumented :) |
| 21:54.18 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 21:54.41 | DTRemenak | ftp://131.215.170.84/tb |
| 21:58.59 | trepan | DTRemenak: my first problem was with cases |
| 21:59.15 | DTRemenak | trepan: yeah, I figured you'd have that. works on windows ;) |
| 21:59.17 | trepan | initialShadingGroup5 also doesn't seem to be defined |
| 21:59.38 | DTRemenak | I didn't get any error about that. it's true though |
| 22:00.14 | DTRemenak | hm, that must mean bzfs was never reading that file either |
| 22:00.23 | DTRemenak | otherwise it would have errored, right? |
| 22:02.24 | trepan | heh, testing that feature in windows, you're probably one of the first |
| 22:02.39 | DTRemenak | probably _the_ first :) |
| 22:02.52 | DTRemenak | seeing as how it's undocumented :) |
| 22:03.56 | DTRemenak | yeah, and anyone who reads this channel regularly probably would have caught it |
| 22:05.06 | DTRemenak | it's actually listed in the syntax section of the manpage, so maybe it's not even completely undocumented :) |
| 22:05.09 | trepan | after i took out the material transparency, it all seemed to show up fine here |
| 22:05.34 | DTRemenak | ok, if you save the world from the client do you get all three in the save file? |
| 22:05.36 | trepan | ah, buffer all, cods got it ;) |
| 22:06.09 | trepan | DTRemenak: 3 meshes are in there |
| 22:06.12 | DTRemenak | I only get one here...and I don't get any errors about initialShadingGroup5 not being defined in bzfs. |
| 22:06.31 | trepan | VC7? |
| 22:06.38 | DTRemenak | try joining 131.215.170.84:5154. yeah, vc7 |
| 22:07.18 | trepan | only "inside" mesh |
| 22:07.29 | DTRemenak | ok, same as I get |
| 22:07.39 | DTRemenak | wonder what's up with bzfs. |
| 22:07.59 | trepan | wonder what you're building... |
| 22:08.12 | trepan | transparent plates and elbows? |
| 22:08.29 | DTRemenak | not mine, actually |
| 22:08.53 | DTRemenak | and I'm guessing they should probably be opaque |
| 22:10.50 | DTRemenak | I was just building the include structure to see just how flexible it could be...e.g. how easily I could use them like other primitives with just an inclusion |
| 22:10.52 | ruskie | is there a php script for the 0026 version of the protocol somehwere? |
| 22:11.16 | ruskie | the one in misc doesn't seem to work |
| 22:11.57 | trepan | DTRemenak: the idea was to permit remote libraries, which would be greatly facilitated by having relative paths properly parsed |
| 22:12.33 | trepan | if i was to touch it up again, i'd allow quoted strings, for the freaks that like spaces |
| 22:12.36 | DTRemenak | heh |
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| 22:22.41 | trepan | Tupone: used ares_init_options() with ARES_OPT_LOOKUPS and localhost works, good call on that one |
| 22:23.03 | Tupone | ok, I'll put in ? |
| 22:23.07 | trepan | sure |
| 22:23.13 | Tupone | or you do :) |
| 22:23.19 | trepan | na, all yours :) |
| 22:23.49 | DTRemenak | ok, now I feel like an idiot. sure helps to run the right bzfs script :S |
| 22:25.48 | trepan | could someone try trepan.homelinux.net:5154 ? |
| 22:25.57 | trepan | making sure the hidden junk isn't a problem |
| 22:26.36 | trepan | ah, i got Yugi, and his friendly bots |
| 22:27.16 | trepan | 12.158.242.12 |
| 22:28.31 | Tupone | what you put as parameters? "fb" ? |
| 22:29.23 | trepan | "bf", dunno how much it matters, prolly hsould be fb |
| 22:29.44 | trepan | DTRemenak: got a url for the file? |
| 22:30.14 | DTRemenak | ftp://131.215.170.84/tb/trepan1.bzw |
| 22:31.08 | trepan | with trailing junk on the texcoords and everything, thx :) |
| 22:31.34 | DTRemenak | np :) |
| 22:35.36 | *** join/#bzflag romfis (~3eb26b18@genesis.concept69.de) |
| 22:38.08 | romfis | hi all :) |
| 22:41.27 | Tupone | de ? you're not from austria? |
| 22:42.10 | romfis | yes from austria (bzflag.at) |
| 22:42.46 | Tupone | dunno why your whois gives concept69.de |
| 22:45.37 | ruskie | :) |
| 22:45.46 | Tupone | Yugi is pm me via webchat :( |
| 22:45.49 | ruskie | looks like a web chat |
| 22:45.56 | trepan | could someone op me? |
| 22:45.59 | ruskie | atleast with the ident there |
| 22:46.50 | Birdie | eh did any of you just got some weird message? |
| 22:46.56 | Birdie | from "bz2729" |
| 22:47.02 | Tupone | yeah |
| 22:47.05 | trepan | yes, hence the request |
| 22:47.11 | Tupone | YUGI ... |
| 22:47.18 | romfis | hi trepan :) |
| 22:47.24 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o trepan] by JeffM2501 |
| 22:47.26 | Birdie | ah sorry than, i just checked this after quiete some time and saw it |
| 22:47.27 | Tupone | but you cannot ban from here, is not here |
| 22:47.48 | JeffM2501 | he can look at them thretaning |
| 22:47.56 | DTRemenak | what's his decoded ip? |
| 22:48.05 | trepan | 12.158.242.12 |
| 22:48.08 | JeffM2501 | what's he saying? |
| 22:48.37 | ruskie | who is this clown... /me has no clue |
| 22:48.48 | trepan | espousing his views on HITLER on my server, and something about reigning forever here |
| 22:49.00 | JeffM2501 | ahh I see |
| 22:49.09 | Birdie | in all his reports, he use my name to:( just because i banned him once |
| 22:49.09 | ruskie | ahhh an annoyance |
| 22:49.22 | JeffM2501 | that yugi guy? |
| 22:49.31 | ruskie | is he globaly banned? |
| 22:49.38 | DTRemenak | his already banned from the m.b.o/s.b.o webchats |
| 22:49.46 | JeffM2501 | yugi changes IP's fast |
| 22:49.51 | JeffM2501 | so he can't be baned globaly |
| 22:49.57 | JeffM2501 | he is email baned on global login tho |
| 22:50.14 | ruskie | I'll keep any eye out for him on my server... |
| 22:50.14 | DTRemenak | it's exactly the same IP that's already banned for racist spamming on m.b.o webchat |
| 22:50.28 | trepan | that's the same ip in the masterban too |
| 22:50.48 | ruskie | any nicks he's ussualy associated with other than yugi= |
| 22:50.59 | Aribeth | send him a present |
| 22:51.13 | JeffM2501 | ahh we allready ban 12.158.242.* |
| 22:51.19 | *** join/#bzflag Teppic (~Teppic@cpc1-cbly2-5-0-cust239.glfd.cable.ntl.com) |
| 22:53.00 | Tupone | trepan: the change does not work here. Probably i have more problem with my network. COuld you just commit your areshandler changes. I cannot without testing |
| 22:53.39 | trepan | sure, but on eof the real reason i didn't was because i noticed the ares is asking for non-const char[] =) |
| 22:54.06 | Tupone | it is strdup its |
| 22:54.35 | trepan | it isn't defined that way |
| 22:55.36 | trepan | when dealing with someone else's interface, i'd rather meet its spec |
| 22:56.17 | trepan | but that would leave a memory leak, hm |
| 22:56.25 | Tupone | I saw he copied the string ... If you don't, I'll try to upgrade some of the next days with a new copy of c-ares seeing if that is better |
| 22:56.41 | trepan | ok, const it shall be then, ick |
| 22:56.46 | trepan | bad specmanship |
| 22:57.11 | ruskie | 12.158.242.12 <-- annoying... |
| 22:57.18 | romfis | german admin here ? |
| 22:57.42 | ruskie | can't we do something about this guy... like report him to the staffers or something? |
| 22:58.05 | ruskie | so that he would be removed from irc... |
| 22:58.12 | Birdie | god damnit agaijn |
| 22:58.15 | Tupone | we need to close webchat I guess |
| 22:58.25 | ruskie | it's a waste of resources anyways... |
| 22:58.27 | Birdie | ~logs |
| 22:58.28 | ibot | from memory, logs is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/, or stats http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/bzflag.html.gz |
| 22:58.45 | DTRemenak | Tupone: he's not using m.b.o's webchat, or else the ipaccess stuff is not working |
| 22:58.45 | ruskie | YUGI [~0c9ef20c@webchat.bzflag.bz] |
| 22:58.57 | ruskie | from his whois |
| 22:59.09 | trepan | hm, this time, i'm gonna do something with the @ =) |
| 22:59.15 | *** kick/#bzflag [trepan!~trepan@trepan.user] by trepan (being dumb) |
| 22:59.19 | ruskie | lol |
| 22:59.20 | *** join/#bzflag trepan (~trepan@trepan.user) |
| 22:59.24 | ruskie | funny |
| 22:59.51 | Tupone | you can't remove someone who is not here |
| 23:00.15 | ruskie | yeah :) |
| 23:00.24 | JeffM2501 | so it is him? |
| 23:01.12 | romfis | what is the bzflag traffic in month 20 players ? |
| 23:01.26 | JeffM2501 | underpants |
| 23:01.38 | ruskie | well I think the final solution for yugi would be for a few ppl to visit him and explain why he's behaviour is annoying...(peacfully) and if that fails take him out back and shoot him |
| 23:02.12 | JeffM2501 | so is that him or not? |
| 23:02.34 | ruskie | YUGI [~0c9ef20c@webchat.bzflag.bz] it decodes to 12.158.242.12 |
| 23:02.39 | Tupone | /ignore ~*@webchat.bzflag.bz PRIV "I'm sorry for the other guy" |
| 23:02.49 | ruskie | :) |
| 23:02.54 | ruskie | I don't ignore ppl |
| 23:03.01 | ruskie | I use trigger.pl to just make them quiet :) |
| 23:03.12 | JeffM2501 | what a retard |
| 23:03.26 | JeffM2501 | dude begs to be let back in all day today over email |
| 23:03.34 | JeffM2501 | then does this |
| 23:03.37 | ruskie | JeffM2501, classify him as spam :) |
| 23:03.47 | JeffM2501 | ohh I was sending him replys |
| 23:03.50 | cosmos | *bz2729* YUGI WILL REIGN SUPREME FOREVER!!! YOU CANNOT DENY THE YUGI! |
| 23:03.52 | cosmos | wtf |
| 23:04.08 | ruskie | cosmos, lol |
| 23:04.13 | ruskie | yeah I got that as well |
| 23:04.19 | ruskie | but before... |
| 23:04.21 | cosmos | you come back from meetings and your hit in the face with YUGI |
| 23:04.27 | ruskie | woudl someone kill the webcha on bzflag.bz? |
| 23:04.34 | cosmos | jeff i added him to my procmail |
| 23:04.39 | cosmos | no more emails from that twit |
| 23:04.40 | DTRemenak | ah, there we go |
| 23:04.49 | DTRemenak | had edited the wrong ipaccess file |
| 23:04.57 | JeffM2501 | cosmos, I'm blocking him now too |
| 23:05.04 | cosmos | he was begging for another chance of course |
| 23:05.13 | DTRemenak | from that ip address anyway he won't be able to use webchat |
| 23:05.17 | JeffM2501 | I've had a mail convo with him today |
| 23:05.19 | JeffM2501 | he's done |
| 23:05.31 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, if you want block the entirely of my.bzflag.org |
| 23:05.44 | ruskie | that's all for today... power failure immininet switching to emergency backup and heading for recharge sequence |
| 23:06.03 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: I'm not familiar enough with ipfilters or whatever other linux thing they're using now to do that :) |
| 23:06.08 | cosmos | perhaps there is something genetically wrong with children today |
| 23:06.18 | JeffM2501 | damn, nether am I, was hoping you were :) |
| 23:06.21 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 23:06.26 | JeffM2501 | it's the water |
| 23:06.26 | DTRemenak | I can do freebsd's |
| 23:06.40 | ruskie | <-- has a home grown iptables script |
| 23:06.58 | ruskie | iptables -I INPUT -s OFFENDINGIP -j DROP |
| 23:07.15 | ruskie | that makes the OFFENDINGIP on the top list in INPUT |
| 23:08.05 | ruskie | <-- had spent half this day perfecting his "block abussive ips who try accessing his ssh" script |
| 23:08.52 | trepan | Tupone: "bf" works, "fb" doesn't |
| 23:09.10 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/net/AresHandler.cxx: get ares to do local "hosts" lookups |
| 23:09.17 | Tupone | ok |
| 23:09.46 | trepan | i'm would have thought "fb" too, strange |
| 23:10.07 | Tupone | you are with the bzflag c-ares ? |
| 23:10.16 | Tupone | or system library? |
| 23:10.55 | cosmos | Fri May 6 13:59:36 2005 |
| 23:10.55 | cosmos | Reported by Yugi: Jeff at the chief of bzflag says to let me back on now!!! |
| 23:11.00 | trepan | system |
| 23:11.03 | JeffM2501 | hahah |
| 23:11.19 | cosmos | hes persistent |
| 23:11.22 | DTRemenak | heh. that's really quite funny |
| 23:11.26 | JeffM2501 | that's kinda the oposet of the contents of my last message to him |
| 23:11.33 | JeffM2501 | how's he geting to report? |
| 23:11.40 | cosmos | hes got more ips than god |
| 23:11.50 | JeffM2501 | block germany |
| 23:11.52 | cosmos | id have to ban the internet to keep him out |
| 23:11.58 | cosmos | hes got non german ips too |
| 23:12.02 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 23:12.04 | cosmos | botnet probably |
| 23:12.11 | JeffM2501 | but all he can do is /report? |
| 23:12.17 | cosmos | yeah he cant talk on my servers |
| 23:12.20 | cosmos | unless hes regged |
| 23:12.22 | JeffM2501 | remove /report? |
| 23:12.29 | JeffM2501 | he should not be able to reg |
| 23:12.36 | cosmos | might do that but others use it legitamtely |
| 23:12.43 | JeffM2501 | if he trys spam regiing, I'll turn the system into moderator approved |
| 23:12.59 | JeffM2501 | cosmos, change it to like realreport |
| 23:13.04 | JeffM2501 | tell the legit users |
| 23:13.09 | trepan | report should have a perm |
| 23:13.10 | JeffM2501 | would be a simple code change |
| 23:13.24 | JeffM2501 | does it? |
| 23:13.29 | trepan | apparently not |
| 23:13.31 | cosmos | Hail to the Chief! |
| 23:13.38 | DTRemenak | I thought it does. if it doesn't it should. |
| 23:13.46 | JeffM2501 | totaly |
| 23:13.46 | cosmos | i dont know of any report perm |
| 23:13.49 | cosmos | or i would have set it |
| 23:13.59 | *** join/#bzflag wegstar (~YCC@adsl-67-121-168-134.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) |
| 23:14.08 | JeffM2501 | could be simple to tie it to speak |
| 23:14.25 | JeffM2501 | can't think of a time when you'd need them to be seperate |
| 23:14.30 | trepan | might be good to have a separate one, reserved for admins or something |
| 23:14.44 | JeffM2501 | it's used to report to admins |
| 23:14.49 | JeffM2501 | why would they want to report to themeselves? |
| 23:14.57 | JeffM2501 | or make an adminreport command |
| 23:15.00 | trepan | by admins, for admins; notes about stuff |
| 23:15.08 | JeffM2501 | that has it's own pipe stuff |
| 23:15.29 | JeffM2501 | one that maybe is used by power users that could be set to pipe to mail |
| 23:15.42 | JeffM2501 | yet a general one that just dumps to a file for users who can speak |
| 23:16.35 | JeffM2501 | odd that with all those IPs he only has 1 email address |
| 23:16.35 | *** join/#bzflag bz7432 (~417db902@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 23:17.16 | *** join/#bzflag Inferno (~470a4a9d@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 23:17.26 | Inferno | hello |
| 23:17.33 | JeffM2501 | sup |
| 23:17.36 | bz7432 | OK JEFF SIR CHIEF OF BZFLAG I WILL BE GOOD NOW PLEASE UNBAN THANKS YUGI HERE |
| 23:17.39 | bz7432 | PLEASE |
| 23:17.41 | JeffM2501 | bye bye |
| 23:17.41 | Inferno | not much |
| 23:17.46 | ruskie | thoght so |
| 23:17.51 | bz7432 | I AM GOOD PLAYER JUST GET WREONG IDEA |
| 23:17.55 | *** mode/#bzflag [+b *!*417db902@*.bzflag.bz] by JeffM2501 |
| 23:17.56 | *** kick/#bzflag [bz7432!~JeffM@Patlabor221.active.supporter.pdpc] by JeffM2501 (JeffM2501) |
| 23:18.14 | ruskie | :)) |
| 23:18.17 | Inferno | lol |
| 23:18.41 | ruskie | when will he get it through his thick skull |
| 23:18.41 | Inferno | wegstar: hi |
| 23:18.52 | JeffM2501 | Inferno, word of advice, get a real IRC client, webchat may be baned shortly |
| 23:19.01 | ruskie | 65.125.185.2 <-- another one of his :) |
| 23:19.16 | Inferno | ummm, ok Jeff |
| 23:19.20 | JeffM2501 | ruskie, when people stop reacting to his actions |
| 23:19.32 | Inferno | just outa curiosity though, WHY? |
| 23:19.38 | JeffM2501 | standard attention whore MO |
| 23:19.50 | JeffM2501 | Inferno, yugi is abusing it |
| 23:19.55 | ruskie | JeffM2501, so in other words we should all ignore him and don't bother with banning him and so on |
| 23:20.01 | Inferno | oh, I understand |
| 23:20.02 | JeffM2501 | we may have to ban it temprararly |
| 23:20.16 | JeffM2501 | ruskie, you have to ban him mostly because not everyone will ignore him |
| 23:20.17 | Birdie | inferno: i gave you a good irc client |
| 23:20.25 | JeffM2501 | you have to make it a PITA for him to get in, and then ignore him |
| 23:20.32 | JeffM2501 | so it's no longer worth it |
| 23:20.47 | ruskie | I doubt he'll stop |
| 23:21.02 | Inferno | Birdie: I'm not admin though |
| 23:21.08 | JeffM2501 | at some point it'll be to much of a pita |
| 23:21.09 | creeperz | Pita... bread... |
| 23:21.21 | prop | pita.. kebab.. |
| 23:21.23 | JeffM2501 | or at the least he'll force more server to do reg only :) |
| 23:21.39 | JeffM2501 | so maybe we can thank him if he does |
| 23:21.42 | Inferno | can I install GTK without being admin? |
| 23:22.00 | JeffM2501 | thanks for sharing |
| 23:22.06 | JeffM2501 | I'll note it on the calander |
| 23:22.23 | Inferno | lol, your calendar's probably black by now |
| 23:22.35 | JeffM2501 | I have a special one for him |
| 23:22.41 | Inferno | oh, lol |
| 23:25.29 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx: require talk perm for /report ( todo: make it a seperate perm ) |
| 23:25.39 | Inferno | Jeff, just block all web users but me ... and anyone else who doesn't wanna be blocked |
| 23:25.49 | JeffM2501 | we'll see what he does |
| 23:25.54 | JeffM2501 | right now it's just his IPs |
| 23:26.00 | creeperz | i dont wanna be blocked >.< |
| 23:26.04 | JeffM2501 | or just get a real IRC client :) |
| 23:26.16 | cosmos | yeah like ircii |
| 23:26.16 | JeffM2501 | creeperz, your not even on webchat |
| 23:26.24 | creeperz | i know... |
| 23:26.30 | JeffM2501 | then shuddap |
| 23:26.31 | creeperz | but i might be... someday |
| 23:26.35 | creeperz | heh :-P |
| 23:26.40 | JeffM2501 | it would only be temp |
| 23:27.06 | Inferno | exactly |
| 23:27.17 | JeffM2501 | as of now he's not doing anyting |
| 23:27.23 | JeffM2501 | I was just warning that it may happen |
| 23:27.47 | Inferno | good |
| 23:29.45 | JeffM2501 | cosmos, if you want to do the report with talk perms just do this at line 1121 in commands.cxx |
| 23:29.45 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:29.46 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:29.46 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:29.46 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:32.34 | wegstar | pastebin |
| 23:32.55 | JeffM2501 | 4 lines is a waste of pastebin |
| 23:33.58 | wegstar | :) |
| 23:34.50 | cosmos | got it thanks |
| 23:34.56 | Inferno | hey wegstar |
| 23:35.21 | wegstar | hi Inferno |
| 23:35.51 | Inferno | just wandering, do you know anything about 'server oush'? |
| 23:36.01 | Inferno | *push |
| 23:36.11 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 23:36.15 | wegstar | ? |
| 23:37.01 | Inferno | what? |
| 23:37.06 | JeffM2501 | last I've seen it is on my cell phone |
| 23:37.28 | Inferno | how about CGI:PUSH ? |
| 23:37.36 | wegstar | ... |
| 23:37.41 | JeffM2501 | google |
| 23:37.43 | wegstar | ~google CGI:PUSH |
| 23:37.46 | JeffM2501 | it's your friend |
| 23:37.55 | JeffM2501 | and by that I meant in a browser |
| 23:37.55 | Inferno | yeah, been there done that |
| 23:37.57 | wegstar | there we go.. look cpan |
| 23:38.00 | wegstar | oh |
| 23:38.41 | Inferno | it only works on NN though, and I was wandering what they use for IE? |
| 23:38.50 | wegstar | err.. |
| 23:39.09 | wegstar | #perl |
| 23:39.25 | Inferno | right, that place is dead |
| 23:39.28 | wegstar | no |
| 23:39.32 | creeperz | IE is powered by the little guy in your computer after he smokes too much crack |
| 23:39.45 | JeffM2501 | that dosn't mean we are a substitute for #perl |
| 23:39.50 | JeffM2501 | creeperz, give it a rest |
| 23:39.57 | creeperz | ok |
| 23:40.19 | Inferno | ok jeff |
| 23:40.54 | wegstar | bbl |
| 23:41.06 | Inferno | well, using mirc I can't seem to connect to #perl |
| 23:41.25 | creeperz | /join #perl |
| 23:41.29 | JeffM2501 | you connect to irc.freenode.net |
| 23:41.32 | JeffM2501 | then you join channels |
| 23:41.38 | JeffM2501 | each channel is not it's own server |
| 23:41.48 | JeffM2501 | as creeperz showed just type /join |
| 23:41.54 | Inferno | oh |
| 23:41.56 | JeffM2501 | after you have picked your network |
| 23:42.02 | JeffM2501 | and connected |
| 23:42.11 | creeperz | which you are right now |
| 23:42.20 | JeffM2501 | creeperz, he's on webchat |
| 23:42.25 | JeffM2501 | he can't go to #perl on webchat |
| 23:42.31 | JeffM2501 | he hasn't connected here via MIRC yet |
| 23:42.32 | creeperz | oh |
| 23:42.37 | creeperz | alrigt |
| 23:42.49 | creeperz | why didnt I see that one... |
| 23:43.18 | Inferno | what network do I go to? |
| 23:43.22 | JeffM2501 | freenode |
| 23:43.29 | JeffM2501 | irc.freenode.net |
| 23:43.32 | creeperz | irc.freenode.net |
| 23:43.36 | creeperz | JeffM2501: word :-P |
| 23:44.07 | *** join/#bzflag infenro (~Inferno@c71.10.74.157.dul.mn.charter.com) |
| 23:44.12 | infenro | hi |
| 23:44.21 | creeperz | give the guy a big "woop woop" |
| 23:44.47 | JeffM2501 | welcome to the real world |
| 23:44.47 | creeperz | crap, late, peace |
| 23:45.38 | JeffM2501 | now you can type /join #whateverchannelyouwant |
| 23:45.40 | Inferno | lol |
| 23:45.53 | Inferno | yeah, I did, thanks anyway |
| 23:46.14 | JeffM2501 | it's a lot more stable then webchat too |
| 23:46.24 | Inferno | right |
| 23:46.41 | Inferno | defently faster for one |
| 23:48.52 | *** join/#bzflag amathis (~amathis@cpe-24-92-83-134.midsouth.res.rr.com) |
| 23:49.12 | amathis | ok, I have a question... anyone here up on the rap scene in america? I have a question |
| 23:49.28 | Inferno | ? |
| 23:49.38 | amathis | I don't know much about rap |
| 23:49.48 | amathis | I know it isn't really 'on topic' |
| 23:50.01 | amathis | but once someone says that know anything about rap, I would msg them. |
