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| 01:33.37 | elwin | halp! I'm stuck! |
| 01:36.56 | elwin | question: I started a local host server, but I can't get the client to connect. This works fine in windows, but not in linux... |
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| 04:31.56 | learner | heh |
| 04:32.08 | learner | funny coincidence where stats were frozen |
| 04:32.09 | learner | http://sourceforge.net/softwaremap/trove_list.php?form_cat=207 |
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| 04:42.18 | SportChick | TimRiker: ping |
| 04:55.15 | SportChick | sigh |
| 04:56.08 | wegstar | :-) |
| 04:56.18 | SportChick | TimRiker: if/when you see this - have you made any progress in the tracking/debugging routine you were going to write for me? I can't play anymore without being yelled at to leave because of the jitter. |
| 05:00.29 | TimRiker | SportChick: nope. sorry. still no theories as to what the issue might be. =( |
| 05:03.53 | SportChick | TimRiker: you had said you were going to write a routine to see what my computer was doing and what was causing the lag. I thought the whole point of htat was to figure out what the issue might be. |
| 05:07.41 | SportChick | TimRiker: I get kicked off most every server I play (by admins or polls). On the few that let me play, I end up dealing with folks complaining non-stop until I leave |
| 05:08.01 | SportChick | I'm not the only person with problems since 2.0 - Yetay also is having issues. and there are others, but don't know all the names |
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| 05:48.15 | Daddo | vgdisplay -v | more |
| 05:48.32 | Daddo | eeeek - sorry - wrong window :O) |
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| 12:02.14 | jolie | hola! |
| 12:02.50 | Tupone | hei |
| 12:02.58 | jolie | toni tuponi |
| 12:03.21 | Tupone | hoho, I wonder who is ... lemme guess |
| 12:03.35 | jolie | le amoreeeeeeeeeee |
| 12:03.36 | Tupone | alexandra ? |
| 12:03.40 | jolie | pizza |
| 12:03.44 | jolie | si |
| 12:03.47 | Tupone | lol |
| 12:04.11 | Tupone | looking for someone? :) |
| 12:04.21 | jolie | actually no. |
| 12:04.23 | jolie | heh |
| 12:04.31 | Tupone | :( I'm here |
| 12:04.41 | jolie | well i know thats why im not looking for you |
| 12:04.42 | jolie | :P |
| 12:05.02 | Tupone | :P |
| 12:06.02 | Tupone | fabian is fine? |
| 12:06.28 | Tupone | talking? walking? |
| 12:06.38 | jolie | yap yap |
| 12:06.50 | Tupone | so he is a great boy |
| 12:07.00 | jolie | as usual |
| 12:07.04 | Tupone | :) |
| 12:07.26 | Tupone | cya .. cu |
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| 12:15.37 | BearPerson | okaaayy... |
| 12:16.51 | ruskie | ? |
| 12:18.14 | BearPerson | just added a little strangeness that they both left after that |
| 12:18.29 | ruskie | lol |
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| 12:29.00 | menotume | wb Tupone :) |
| 12:29.40 | Tupone | hehe |
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| 12:46.35 | Bagheera | ~whaleslap purple_cow for blender teasing |
| 12:46.36 | ibot | ACTION slaps purple_cow for blender teasing upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
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| 13:24.15 | BenUrban | ~whaleslap BenUrban for no apparent reason |
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| 13:36.34 | Nomad | hi |
| 13:36.55 | Nomad | can anyone help me with getting bots to work nicely in bzflags ??? |
| 13:37.14 | BenUrban | bots are never nice in bzflag |
| 13:37.21 | BenUrban | they tk so often.... |
| 13:37.44 | Nomad | mine dont jump and dont use flags |
| 13:38.25 | BenUrban | unless they're totally inert |
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| 13:52.49 | Tupone | Nomad, bots behave that way, unless you code them |
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| 13:59.20 | BenUrban | Nomad: face it, bots are idiots |
| 13:59.38 | BenUrban | nobody with a very good firm grasp on AI has coded bots for bzflag |
| 13:59.55 | BenUrban | and even if they did, they would still suck |
| 14:00.57 | TheRedBaron | BenUrban, actually, some one coded a pair of excellent bots |
| 14:01.05 | TheRedBaron | called Paul, and Otto. |
| 14:01.17 | TheRedBaron | excellent skilled bots. |
| 14:02.02 | TheRedBaron | ask Chestal :) |
| 14:02.06 | Chestal | well |
| 14:02.14 | Chestal | those were quite simplistic |
| 14:02.19 | Chestal | but they did two things well |
| 14:02.46 | TheRedBaron | dodge and shoot. |
| 14:02.57 | Tupone | in the bot as they are now I guess there is some aiming logics from Chestal |
| 14:02.58 | Chestal | yes, but except for dodging they didn't move at all |
| 14:03.17 | Chestal | yes, the -solo bots basically have theaiming logic from Paul and Otto |
| 14:03.45 | Chestal | their movement is totally different,though |
| 14:03.47 | Tupone | and dodging? |
| 14:04.21 | Chestal | theirmovement is basically the old pathfinding, combined with some version of ROger's dodging |
| 14:04.47 | Chestal | it works ok |
| 14:05.00 | Chestal | but they are much easier to hit than good old Paul |
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| 14:06.02 | RedBaron2 | those bots were something else.. |
| 14:06.56 | bz7234 | a |
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| 14:49.13 | TheRedBaron | Chestal, Ping |
| 14:51.10 | menotume | SportChick: I have a ? |
| 14:51.22 | SportChick | K |
| 14:51.28 | menotume | when you play, is your framerate fairly constant ? |
| 14:51.34 | menotume | or, does it vary ? |
| 14:51.55 | SportChick | pretty constant |
| 14:52.03 | menotume | k |
| 14:52.09 | menotume | windoze, right ? |
| 14:52.10 | brlcad | what rate is it? |
| 14:52.12 | SportChick | I'm pretty sure anyway - I don't always have it on |
| 14:52.13 | SportChick | xp |
| 14:52.18 | menotume | k |
| 14:52.21 | SportChick | 45-60 |
| 14:52.36 | SportChick | usually closer to 60 |
| 14:52.53 | brlcad | hrm.. i bet the framerate limiter would help you then |
| 14:52.57 | menotume | SportChick: do you have the tools to build from cvs ? |
| 14:53.00 | SportChick | no |
| 14:53.10 | SportChick | what's a framerate limiter, brlcad? |
| 14:53.17 | SportChick | and hi brlcad & menotume, btw |
| 14:53.21 | brlcad | SportChick: a patch i have here to commit |
| 14:53.23 | menotume | :) |
| 14:53.32 | brlcad | that BearPerson wrote |
| 14:53.42 | SportChick | brlcad: what's it do? will it make things more choppy on my screen? |
| 14:53.44 | menotume | does it basically 'sleep' in the main loop ? |
| 14:53.58 | brlcad | I'll see if I can get that in tonight for testing |
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| 14:54.15 | SportChick | brlcad: one of the big things is that everyone else sees me "jitter" but I don't |
| 14:54.24 | brlcad | menotume: basically, but only if it needs to so that the rate stays constant |
| 14:54.32 | SportChick | I see no evidence of it on my screen (other than others yelling at me to leave) |
| 14:54.41 | brlcad | SportChick: that would imply networking funkyness |
| 14:54.53 | menotume | maybe imply sending funkiness |
| 14:55.01 | brlcad | SportChick: this your laptop or a monitor? |
| 14:55.02 | SportChick | brlcad: we've tried it on our network here at home, in Berkeley and in Utah - no change |
| 14:55.13 | SportChick | brlcad: lappy |
| 14:55.22 | brlcad | what's the refresh rate on that? |
| 14:55.26 | menotume | the constant factor is the laptop ? |
| 14:55.32 | SportChick | menotume: yes |
| 14:55.36 | menotume | k |
| 14:55.36 | SportChick | refresh rate? |
| 14:55.41 | SportChick | where do I find that? |
| 14:55.46 | brlcad | ooh, you'll probably like the limiter for your battery life then too :) |
| 14:55.52 | brlcad | right click desktop |
| 14:55.56 | TheRedBaron | right click on the desktop and click properties |
| 14:55.58 | brlcad | preferences |
| 14:56.02 | brlcad | er, yah, prop |
| 14:56.15 | brlcad | display settings or something |
| 14:56.44 | TheRedBaron | settings, and then advanced |
| 14:56.57 | SportChick | options are: themes, desktop, screensaver, appearance, settings - thanks trb |
| 14:57.04 | brlcad | settings |
| 14:57.46 | TheRedBaron | then after clicking advanced, you want "monitor" that should tell you the refresh rate |
| 14:57.58 | TheRedBaron | mine is at 60hz |
| 14:57.58 | SportChick | 61 hertz |
| 14:58.13 | brlcad | odd number :) |
| 14:58.32 | SportChick | yes, it's not even |
| 14:58.43 | SportChick | choices are 60 or 61 |
| 14:58.49 | menotume | whoa |
| 14:58.53 | menotume | that's odd ! |
| 14:59.00 | menotume | my laptop is 60 or 75 |
| 14:59.00 | brlcad | set it to 60.. |
| 14:59.05 | menotume | yes |
| 14:59.08 | TheRedBaron | menotume: ditto |
| 14:59.16 | SportChick | done |
| 14:59.19 | TheRedBaron | haven't seen a refresh rate of 61.. |
| 14:59.24 | SportChick | whole screen went black for a sec |
| 14:59.28 | menotume | something is strange there |
| 14:59.30 | SportChick | but it's set at 60 now |
| 14:59.30 | brlcad | to be expected |
| 14:59.32 | TheRedBaron | thats normal |
| 14:59.54 | brlcad | out of curiosity.. give that a try by itself and see if jitter is at all different |
| 15:00.07 | brlcad | shouldn't really make a difference, but who knows by this point |
| 15:00.12 | menotume | going ... |
| 15:00.50 | brlcad | interesting that your framerate is really close to your bz framerate too.. a bit too coincidental |
| 15:01.18 | TheRedBaron | i wonder if she was the option checked "hide refresh rates that this monitor can't support" |
| 15:04.09 | TheRedBaron | brlcad, what would be coicidental about the refresh rate being close to the bz framerate> |
| 15:04.37 | TheRedBaron | because now that I think of it, I have the same, but i don't experience any problems. |
| 15:05.13 | TheRedBaron | on 2 computers, i have the refresh rate of 72hertz, and a FPS of 7-0-75 |
| 15:05.14 | Bagheera | http://www.topeuro.co.uk/blagger/the_duel.html |
| 15:05.27 | TheRedBaron | both of those computers run a Nvidia chipset |
| 15:05.45 | TheRedBaron | the 1 computer that I can get 100fps runs a ATI chipset. |
| 15:05.53 | TheRedBaron | coincidental or no? |
| 15:12.17 | TheRedBaron | IIRC sportchick has a Nvidia chipset too, Geforce 5700 |
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| 15:13.13 | ruskie | TheRedBaron, is the hardware the same on all three boxes? |
| 15:13.18 | ruskie | other than the gpu? |
| 15:13.37 | Tupone | SportChick: do you experience problem on your clock, just to know, like is always in delay .. |
| 15:13.45 | SportChick | for the record, it didn't help |
| 15:13.53 | SportChick | no clock problems |
| 15:14.01 | Tupone | :( |
| 15:14.18 | Polar | ~bzfquery bzflag.secretplace.us:5255 |
| 15:14.42 | Polar | ~bzfquery 81.76.110.221:5154 |
| 15:15.14 | SportChick | trb: correct |
| 15:15.29 | TheRedBaron | Ruskie: no there have their differences, one is a 2.4ghz, the other is a 1.2ghz |
| 15:15.50 | TheRedBaron | the GPU's aren't identical, other then being a GeForce model |
| 15:15.55 | TheRedBaron | Geforce 2 GTS |
| 15:15.55 | SportChick | here's the basic info: when I join bzflag with 2.0, the jitter is initially okay, but it rapidly spikes to make it unplayable (for othres, not me). |
| 15:16.12 | Tupone | I just mean time of day clock |
| 15:16.26 | SportChick | 1.10 does not create the same effect. I've tried different networks, different nic cards, different bzflag settings. So far, no change |
| 15:16.41 | SportChick | we just tried changing the refresh rate, no change. |
| 15:16.49 | SportChick | that's the down & dirty version, tupone |
| 15:17.00 | TheRedBaron | and geforce2 mx/mx 400 |
| 15:17.20 | ToughShooter | Hi SportChick |
| 15:17.25 | Tupone | New version assume your time of day clock to be stable |
| 15:17.47 | Tupone | so, if it is not, better review the algo |
| 15:18.03 | TheRedBaron | SportChick: aua sorry to hear that it didn't wokr. |
| 15:18.07 | TheRedBaron | *work |
| 15:18.24 | brlcad | SportChick: not to ask the obvious, but are you certain your machine is spyware free, virus free? |
| 15:18.49 | brlcad | the plague of xp could be causing periodic spikes like that |
| 15:19.05 | Tupone | SportChick: can you see if you can get an ntp client and run on the background ... I wonder if help |
| 15:20.32 | menotume | Her jitter is still bad |
| 15:20.37 | SportChick | brlcad: yes, we've done both - and it gets updates everynight |
| 15:20.41 | menotume | she starts off ok, and gets worse |
| 15:20.51 | SportChick | I've even tried another program to see if that was the problem |
| 15:21.06 | menotume | Tupone: is SDL involved in WinDoze ? |
| 15:21.06 | SportChick | we've also turned all the spyware/virus programs off |
| 15:21.12 | Tupone | nope |
| 15:21.20 | SportChick | Tupone: what's an ntp client? |
| 15:21.22 | menotume | it would seem to me that is a major diff in 2.0 |
| 15:21.28 | menotume | ohhh :( |
| 15:21.34 | SportChick | ToughShooter: there is only 1 user account |
| 15:21.38 | Tupone | ~google ntpclient |
| 15:21.44 | TheRedBaron | I think Menotume is right.. |
| 15:22.12 | TheRedBaron | the only thing i wonder, is has she tried alt-ctrl-del to check all the back ground processes... |
| 15:22.20 | SportChick | trb: yes, we've tried that |
| 15:22.34 | menotume | TRB: 1.10 work(ed) fine for her |
| 15:22.45 | menotume | that's what is really confusing to me |
| 15:22.47 | ToughShooter | Maybe it's worth a try to create a second user account and try it out from there |
| 15:22.49 | TheRedBaron | nothing suspicious there then, i assume. |
| 15:24.00 | TheRedBaron | menotuem: i agree with you, its probally 2.0, but why does it surface on a single xp machine? |
| 15:24.19 | TheRedBaron | I've run 2.0 on XP just fine, with sp2 |
| 15:24.24 | menotume | Tupone: you thinking a system-clock drift ? |
| 15:24.46 | Tupone | clock drift can give her this problem |
| 15:24.51 | menotume | yes |
| 15:24.52 | Tupone | exactly this |
| 15:25.31 | Tupone | but should be really bad, like 5/10 % |
| 15:25.41 | Bagheera | trb, i think others are having the same problem, because i see other like her.....yetay(who knows what os he/she is on) for example |
| 15:26.08 | Tupone | if that is the case, I can try to correct the drift |
| 15:26.13 | menotume | maybe sometime tied to the tick interrupt |
| 15:26.22 | menotume | throwing it off |
| 15:26.43 | Bagheera | what is interesting is that her bullets appear correct, but her position is all over the place |
| 15:27.21 | ToughShooter | I've seen another player with similar lag but was on a linux box |
| 15:27.30 | menotume | ahhh |
| 15:27.41 | Tupone | shot are not corrected, so they are good |
| 15:27.48 | Tupone | I bet is the time |
| 15:27.49 | menotume | what, in the client, throttles MsgPlayerUpadtes ? |
| 15:28.06 | menotume | i have noticeds that it seems to be throttled to 20/sec |
| 15:28.24 | Tupone | the problem is not her client, problem is the observers. |
| 15:28.59 | Tupone | if observer has bad time, they try to put the tank in the good timespace. |
| 15:29.03 | menotume | the you go then, SportChick, just tell them it's THEIR problem ! |
| 15:29.06 | Tupone | doing bad work |
| 15:29.09 | brlcad | Bagheera: shots are only sent out when they start and end.. position updates are constant |
| 15:29.30 | menotume | _supposed_ to be constant |
| 15:29.58 | Bagheera | .....so if they were screwed, they have a lower probability of being screwed |
| 15:31.02 | Bagheera | tupone, its not just observers....its all players....everybody has a problem with sportchicks jitter |
| 15:31.19 | ruskie | :) |
| 15:31.40 | Bagheera | ....we she would cut off the coffee |
| 15:31.42 | menotume | what logic limits the sending of MsgPlayerUpdates ? |
| 15:33.26 | TheRedBaron | Bagheera, cutting the coffee would mean instant anarchy. |
| 15:33.43 | ruskie | TheRedBaron, only to those ppl dependant on it |
| 15:33.50 | ruskie | <-- hasn't had coffee in months :) |
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| 15:41.15 | Tupone | Bagheera: I meant the other that observe her |
| 15:42.12 | ruskie | TheRedBaron, pity yourself... I've been feeling waaaaaay better wihout it...I can acctually remain awake longer wihout it then with it :) |
| 15:42.19 | Tupone | so, player and observer, sry for the bad term |
| 15:42.23 | ruskie | and I sleep less |
| 15:42.34 | menotume | ahhh, throttling is done in Player::isDeadreckoningWrong |
| 15:42.40 | menotume | based on ticks |
| 15:43.07 | TheRedBaron | ruskie, i'm not that dependant on coffee :) |
| 15:43.20 | TheRedBaron | or so i like to think ;) |
| 15:43.34 | ruskie | I used to drink 1.5L per day... |
| 15:43.54 | menotume | would be interesting to build Sporty a client with that throttle removed perhaps |
| 15:44.01 | menotume | and limit her framrate to 30 |
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| 15:45.03 | TheRedBaron | ruskie: cold turkey or? |
| 15:45.12 | Tupone | menotume: I'd remove the timestamp computation of her messsage on your client, and see it |
| 15:45.23 | ruskie | TheRedBaron, erm? |
| 15:45.39 | menotume | ah |
| 15:46.02 | menotume | i can log reception of her msgs too, with my own timestamp |
| 15:46.20 | Tupone | I mean on your client, not server |
| 15:46.30 | menotume | right, understood |
| 15:46.34 | Tupone | ok |
| 15:46.47 | menotume | but, i can see how constantly they are being sent to me |
| 15:47.04 | Bagheera | tupone, thnx for clearing that up.....i was assuming, but i wanted to make sure there wasnt any confusion |
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| 15:47.32 | menotume | Tupone: any idea where i would look for "removing the timestamp computation" ? |
| 15:47.39 | TheRedBaron | Ruskie, sorry, its an american term for quiting an addiction |
| 15:47.42 | TimRiker | Bagheera: remember that bullets (other than GM) don't send updates. just a start and end msg. |
| 15:47.42 | Tupone | deadreckoning |
| 15:47.53 | ruskie | TheRedBaron, I know the term... but what did yu mean by or.. |
| 15:47.59 | TimRiker | Bagheera: so shots should always move smoothly. |
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| 15:48.15 | TheRedBaron | ruskie, did you slowly cut back, or stop all at once? |
| 15:48.19 | ruskie | slowly |
| 15:48.53 | ruskie | I spent one month drinking only cola like stuff no coffee at all almost... |
| 15:49.00 | ruskie | then simply dropped it all togheter... |
| 15:49.48 | TheRedBaron | ah ok, just wondering. |
| 15:50.22 | Tupone | bbiah (h->hour) |
| 15:50.47 | menotume | yikes, physics - i'm in over my head :P |
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| 15:53.46 | menotume | SportyGal: you there ? |
| 15:54.02 | SportyGal | yep |
| 15:54.10 | menotume | with yer laptop ? :) |
| 15:54.14 | SportyGal | nope |
| 15:54.16 | SportyGal | it's at home |
| 15:54.16 | menotume | okies |
| 15:54.27 | menotume | I'm gonna make some client hacks here |
| 15:54.34 | menotume | to check your msgs |
| 15:54.41 | menotume | so, lemme know when you can test |
| 15:54.42 | SportyGal | you can send me an email though if you want me to do something when I get there - sportchick@kirkanddonna.com |
| 15:54.57 | SportyGal | it'll be in about 9 hours before I'm home |
| 15:55.02 | menotume | just ping me here |
| 15:55.05 | menotume | ok, good |
| 15:55.13 | menotume | :) |
| 15:55.35 | menotume | not as old as me :) |
| 15:57.12 | ToughShooter | Has anybody else seen kills that happen by non-stealthed bullets but nothing was on hud or radar? It happens to me rarely but it's annoying. I've got no packet loss and jitter is only 3 ms |
| 15:57.25 | CBG | Yes. |
| 15:57.40 | SportyGal | ToughShooter: yes, I've seen it |
| 15:57.43 | menotume | hmmm, and i thought it was just my old-age |
| 15:57.44 | TheRedBaron | non-stealthed bullets? |
| 15:57.45 | CBG | You mean when your killed by as if the shooter had IB, but they didnt? |
| 15:57.48 | SportyGal | it's been a whie though - I think it's generally lag related |
| 15:57.58 | TheRedBaron | you mean a tank with stealth, or a tank with IB |
| 15:57.58 | ToughShooter | No IB but nothing on radar or hud visible |
| 15:58.13 | CBG | Yeah. That happened a week or so ago in an official GU Match |
| 15:58.24 | CBG | there was no serious lag |
| 15:58.26 | TheRedBaron | toughshooter: yes that has happened to me numerous times. Its usually lag related |
| 15:58.28 | menotume | yes, i've seen it - it's rare though |
| 15:58.29 | ToughShooter | Tank without any flag shoots, no bullet appear in radar and hud and then just boom |
| 15:58.30 | CBG | and no shot on radar at all. |
| 15:58.37 | menotume | i generall just write it off |
| 15:58.43 | TheRedBaron | same, |
| 15:59.07 | CBG | It's a pain when you lose an official match (partially) due to it. |
| 16:00.14 | ToughShooter | I don't thing it's my connection. I admit I've got high lag on servers within America but jitter is low and no loss :/ |
| 16:00.47 | TheRedBaron | toughshooter: define high lag... what do youthink is high? |
| 16:00.59 | ToughShooter | 200-250 |
| 16:01.28 | ndim | how far away is the shooter of those invisible bullets, and how much lag does he have? |
| 16:02.05 | CBG | For me he was close and he and I had low lag... like under 100ms, somehting like4ms jitter and 0% lost. |
| 16:02.06 | ToughShooter | Well, around middle shot range and around same lag or a bit lower usually |
| 16:02.56 | ToughShooter | but my opponent doesn't have much jitter (>3) and no loss |
| 16:03.38 | ndim | CBG: 200ms * fast shot velocity >= distance between tanks? -> instant *boom* |
| 16:04.28 | ToughShooter | err, less than 3 ms, not more |
| 16:05.38 | CBG | ndim: This was on the gu league server which has a normal shot speed, we were close, but you couldhave gotten 2, maybe 3 tanks between us, lengthways and the lag was UNDER 100ms (Jitter like 4ms or soemthing and NO%lost) |
| 16:06.15 | ndim | CBG: Exactly. A fast shot will cross 2, 3 tank lengths in 200ms. |
| 16:06.26 | CBG | but there was NO SHOT Visible on radar! |
| 16:06.29 | ndim | (adding the lags of both tanks) |
| 16:06.49 | ndim | CBG: How could it be visible? |
| 16:06.59 | CBG | It wasnt on the radar... |
| 16:07.02 | ndim | CBG: It has already killed you when you first noticed it. |
| 16:07.21 | CBG | It still has to be on the radar. |
| 16:07.29 | ndim | It travels the first (your lag + his lag) milliseconds without you noticing. |
| 16:07.38 | ndim | Then it suddenly appears. |
| 16:07.43 | ndim | Right in your tank. |
| 16:07.45 | ndim | *boom* |
| 16:07.55 | CBG | Well that needs to be changed...? |
| 16:08.01 | ndim | To what? |
| 16:08.07 | ndim | To slower shot speeds? |
| 16:08.10 | CBG | so you see it as soon as its shot... |
| 16:08.12 | ndim | Or to lower lag? |
| 16:08.18 | ndim | That is not possible. |
| 16:08.21 | CBG | why not? |
| 16:08.29 | TheRedBaron | because of lag. |
| 16:08.30 | ndim | Your client only know about the shot when it is notified about it. |
| 16:08.33 | ndim | And that takes time. |
| 16:08.34 | CBG | You can see shots in HUD as soon as they are fired. |
| 16:08.40 | ndim | No. |
| 16:08.48 | TheRedBaron | no, |
| 16:08.51 | ndim | As soon as your client thinks they are there. |
| 16:08.56 | ndim | Hi TheRedBaron btw :) |
| 16:09.12 | ToughShooter | Well, I wasn't so close like CBG |
| 16:09.14 | ndim | CBG: Every client has its own notion of time. |
| 16:09.16 | TheRedBaron | Phear the Ndim :) |
| 16:09.23 | CBG | I have been in very similar fight conditions (lag, distance, etc) other times when I was FACING the other tank and I have seen the shot in my HUD... |
| 16:09.54 | ToughShooter | So shot would have lasted 3 or more seconds |
| 16:10.05 | CBG | This time, The only difference was that I was facing away and looking at my radar... |
| 16:10.35 | TheRedBaron | Cbg, would you like to call the player a cheater or? |
| 16:10.55 | CBG | Whats the relevance of that? |
| 16:11.18 | ndim | CBG: Your client cannot show the bullet on the HUD before it knows about the bullet. So that also takes (lagsum) time. |
| 16:11.56 | CBG | If you insist, but I am pretty sure that I have never been head on with another tank at that distance and been shot without seeing the bullet... |
| 16:12.14 | CBG | I think I would remember if I had been shot with a BULLET cayying a CL Flag. lol |
| 16:12.19 | CBG | *carrying |
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| 17:30.21 | menotume | JeffM2501: you may get a bunch of bzbb registrations in the next couple of days :) |
| 17:30.35 | menotume | GU match servers are using global login |
| 17:30.44 | JeffM2501 | yeah I saw |
| 17:30.48 | menotume | and they're private :) (don;t ask me how) |
| 17:30.51 | JeffM2501 | I set his grouops for him |
| 17:30.57 | JeffM2501 | hmm wierd |
| 17:30.59 | menotume | gsl ? |
| 17:31.05 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 17:31.08 | menotume | k |
| 17:31.12 | menotume | maybe he hacked the server |
| 17:31.20 | JeffM2501 | would not be a hard mod |
| 17:31.30 | JeffM2501 | if he did, he should make it a patch so we can apply it |
| 17:31.40 | menotume | yes, i'll ask him about it |
| 17:31.41 | JeffM2501 | maybe hook it to a -forceGlobal flag |
| 17:31.42 | ruskie | :) |
| 17:34.07 | menotume | JeffM2501: we have a user (cassandra) which I was able to add to gu-league group |
| 17:34.18 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 17:34.26 | menotume | but he says his account is 'inactive' |
| 17:34.31 | menotume | dunno what that means |
| 17:34.45 | JeffM2501 | means they never clicked the link on the mail the board sent em |
| 17:34.53 | menotume | ok |
| 17:35.01 | JeffM2501 | want me to manualy activate? |
| 17:35.05 | menotume | but he's in the users anway ? |
| 17:35.10 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 17:35.12 | JeffM2501 | he registered |
| 17:35.13 | menotume | that would be great - i know him |
| 17:35.15 | JeffM2501 | so he got the name |
| 17:35.20 | menotume | ok :) |
| 17:35.21 | JeffM2501 | it just never activated |
| 17:35.47 | menotume | i'm a bit confused, cause we have a nother (Bernie) who says he just registered, but i can't add him to the roup |
| 17:36.03 | menotume | (user not found) |
| 17:36.10 | JeffM2501 | yeah he didn't register |
| 17:36.15 | menotume | ahh, ok |
| 17:36.16 | JeffM2501 | no user was made for that name |
| 17:36.23 | JeffM2501 | the steps are as follows |
| 17:36.25 | JeffM2501 | user registers |
| 17:36.44 | JeffM2501 | name is put into the user database as a full user. |
| 17:36.52 | JeffM2501 | but the "active" flag isn't set |
| 17:36.54 | JeffM2501 | so they can't login |
| 17:37.01 | JeffM2501 | the board sends em an e-mail |
| 17:37.12 | JeffM2501 | they click link in e-mail to verify |
| 17:37.18 | JeffM2501 | board sets active flag to true |
| 17:37.20 | JeffM2501 | user can login |
| 17:37.49 | menotume | gotya |
| 17:37.51 | JeffM2501 | you can add any user ( active or inactive ) to a group |
| 17:37.56 | menotume | Bernie went to the wrong site :) |
| 17:37.58 | JeffM2501 | they can't use the group till they activate |
| 17:38.01 | JeffM2501 | ha |
| 17:38.06 | JeffM2501 | where'd he go? |
| 17:38.10 | menotume | dunno :) |
| 17:38.18 | menotume | he just left to register at bzbb |
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| 17:38.44 | JeffM2501 | well let DTR or myself know of any problems, we can fix em up |
| 17:39.06 | JeffM2501 | and just let people know to check there spam folders for our mail, it often gets grabed by filters |
| 17:39.41 | menotume | ok, thx ! |
| 17:39.41 | Pimpi | menotume: you can make a public server and send incorrect data to the listserver, so it won't get listed while global login should work |
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| 17:39.49 | ruskie | not if the filters are statistical :) |
| 17:39.53 | Pimpi | untested, but might work |
| 17:39.54 | menotume | ya, that's probably what he did |
| 17:39.58 | menotume | make sense |
| 17:40.09 | _Manu_ | hi all! |
| 17:40.14 | Pimpi | hi manu |
| 17:40.17 | Pimpi | :) |
| 17:40.19 | JeffM2501 | should not be too bad to make a switch that just has the code not send the add |
| 17:40.45 | ruskie | heya _Manu_ |
| 17:40.46 | Pimpi | yep |
| 17:40.50 | JeffM2501 | ruskie, don't know what kinda filters users use, but the mail gets taged as spam for a LOT of people. |
| 17:50.30 | menotume | JeffM2501: another question ... am i able to see if a member is active or not ? |
| 17:53.03 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 17:54.27 | JeffM2501 | it's only part of the system administrator thing |
| 18:00.42 | CBG | JeffM2501: Now with all this new global reg thing... |
| 18:00.55 | CBG | Is it unacceptable to have 4 bzbb accounts? |
| 18:01.13 | CBG | (or more...) |
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| 18:22.10 | CBG | Is Jeff dead? |
| 18:28.48 | JeffM2501 | does he not remember that I'm at work during the workdays? |
| 18:29.29 | ruskie | lol |
| 18:29.41 | ruskie | try to write it on his forehead... |
| 18:30.01 | ruskie | but JeffM2501 is his question of having 4 global accounts valid? |
| 18:30.16 | JeffM2501 | you can have as many accounts as you have emails |
| 18:30.20 | JeffM2501 | within reason |
| 18:30.39 | ruskie | define reason |
| 18:30.49 | ruskie | I have about 40 different unique emails... |
| 18:30.54 | JeffM2501 | a fixed number of accounts that you rotate thru and use |
| 18:31.18 | ruskie | naahhh all I need is 3 all in all |
| 18:31.22 | JeffM2501 | if you play with a difrent name every single time I'd ask that you not polute the namespace by reserving that many names |
| 18:31.30 | JeffM2501 | and just change your account name each time |
| 18:31.38 | JeffM2501 | yeah 5-6-7 that's all fine |
| 18:31.43 | JeffM2501 | 40 would be a bit much :) |
| 18:31.54 | JeffM2501 | Tim didn't do an alias system |
| 18:31.54 | ruskie | :) |
| 18:32.01 | JeffM2501 | so you have to have an account per callsign |
| 18:32.09 | JeffM2501 | or change your callsign in bzbb when you want to change. |
| 18:32.28 | creeperz | crapola |
| 18:33.55 | creeperz | thats why I was having problems registering trogdor the pwninator |
| 18:34.15 | creeperz | i didnt know i had to have a bzbb account with the name trogdor the pwninator |
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| 18:41.36 | Tupone | menotume: any progress on jitter |
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| 18:44.59 | CBG | We need a GU League Admin. please |
| 18:45.25 | CBG | KAS are playing Anvil at 5158 and Jah Master joined and started playing even though we said to get out because it was official... |
| 18:45.34 | CBG | Ah. Hes gone now. |
| 18:45.52 | Birdie | sorry wasnt here |
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| 18:46.13 | Birdie | type my name next time, irc will pink than |
| 18:46.15 | CBG | ok... |
| 18:46.25 | CBG | ah. ok |
| 18:46.39 | CBG | bye then |
| 19:00.00 | JeffM2501 | redsoxfan says he'll pay me to unban him on bzbb, since the only server he's playing on is going global reg |
| 19:02.31 | bryjen | 2710 registered users * even a small amount ... adds up quickly |
| 19:02.54 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 19:03.08 | JeffM2501 | guleauge went global so we are geting an influx |
| 19:03.40 | bryjen | erm, that's as in charging him a fee to be distributed to all the users, not trying to extort us all ;) |
| 19:05.11 | brlcad | JeffM2501: I'd say make him an offer and if he pays, we'll use it to buy beer |
| 19:05.19 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 19:05.42 | JeffM2501 | does anyone want him back in or can vouch for him? |
| 19:06.07 | brlcad | he's caused so much hassle (or someone in his house at least) |
| 19:06.22 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 19:07.56 | brlcad | hearing him tell you, me, pretty much anyone that confronted him to "shut up" .. |
| 19:08.34 | brlcad | I particularly like it when on ducati he was hopping around like a rabbit and I told him to take his cheating elsewhere.. "I'm not cheating!" .. |
| 19:09.24 | JeffM2501 | I'll take that as a "hell no" |
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| 19:10.43 | brlcad | it's a "I could give him a flying rat's ..." |
| 19:10.43 | Bagheera | is there a way to give him a global login, but not have him have the ability to add anything to the forum? |
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| 19:11.11 | Bagheera | ....at least then we know the "rat" by the "+" |
| 19:11.20 | JeffM2501 | Bagheera, nope |
| 19:11.27 | JeffM2501 | the dude is on masterban |
| 19:11.30 | brlcad | I'm not going to vouch for him is all, someone else is free to |
| 19:11.55 | Bagheera | well. he is on his own then.......he will have to be whitelisted on the server he plays |
| 19:12.11 | JeffM2501 | whitelist won't do it |
| 19:12.31 | JeffM2501 | it's not that he's banned on the server ( he changed IP ), they went to reg to spawn |
| 19:12.49 | JeffM2501 | server owner would have to give him a local login account that had the spawn perm |
| 19:12.58 | JeffM2501 | doubt they will go thru the trouble |
| 19:13.51 | JeffM2501 | if they were ok with local logins they would have not gone global only. |
| 19:14.20 | JeffM2501 | my bigest beef with him was, that we removed the bans onece for him, he was only able to go a week without cheating and pulling crap |
| 19:14.32 | JeffM2501 | and he was warned multiple times |
| 19:16.08 | JeffM2501 | leting him back in make the disiplinary act of a ban kinda moot, if all you have to do is pretend to be nice for a day to get it removed. |
| 19:17.05 | Bagheera | is there an unoffical policy to allow him back in.......6months, 9 months, 12months.......??? |
| 19:17.12 | Bagheera | or is it lifetime |
| 19:17.20 | Bagheera | or until he gets another email address |
| 19:17.23 | JeffM2501 | I clear old bans after a while |
| 19:17.47 | JeffM2501 | if somone gets the server operators that complained about them to say "let em try again" then I'll remove it as well |
| 19:18.02 | JeffM2501 | or if they are able to talk sane about the problems then they are removed as well |
| 19:18.10 | Bagheera | well, i could use another lcd monitor.......... |
| 19:18.27 | Bagheera | how much is he offering :) |
| 19:18.40 | JeffM2501 | most people ether talk sane about it and get it removed and are good from then on, or are true atacks and just stay baned. |
| 19:19.02 | JeffM2501 | he's allready had his second chance |
| 19:19.14 | brad2901 | err, anybody know what's up with the GU servers? |
| 19:19.22 | JeffM2501 | they are going to reg only |
| 19:19.44 | menotume | brad2901: just the 5159 server fro rnow |
| 19:19.45 | brad2901 | I was globally logged in, it kicked me for not logging in?! |
| 19:20.03 | JeffM2501 | they are probably working out the issues then |
| 19:20.11 | brad2901 | oh... |
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| 19:33.59 | CBG | Is there anyway somone could edit another persons bzflag configuration without direct access to the iBook it is on? |
| 19:35.27 | jpa- | yes? |
| 19:35.31 | CBG | I am connecting to a router wirlessly... Does this mean a neighbour could do it? |
| 19:35.56 | jpa- | uh, no, not if your ibook is protected properly |
| 19:36.12 | CBG | It probably isn't... |
| 19:36.21 | CBG | How _could_ it be done? |
| 19:36.31 | jpa- | and providing your neighbour doesn't know the password to ssh service, etc. it would be quite difficult |
| 19:37.13 | jpa- | well, if you have any remote-access services running, he would connect to it (password?) and use a text editor to edit bzflag conf file |
| 19:37.45 | jpa- | or, if no services are running, he would have to find some security hole in your operating system or programs and use that.. |
| 19:38.05 | jpa- | but why would someone crack into your computer to edit bzflag config? :D |
| 19:39.34 | CBG | No idea... |
| 19:39.40 | CBG | Maybe bzflag reset itself? |
| 19:40.03 | CBG | All I know is that today my configs are not the same as yesterday... |
| 19:41.41 | jpa- | yes, there might be some unknown bug |
| 19:42.36 | CBG | Eh. |
| 19:42.46 | CBG | I ahve put everything back to how it was... i think... |
| 19:42.51 | CBG | Thanks jpa. |
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| 19:51.31 | TimRiker | first he'd break the window, then climb in and sit down in front of the computer ... |
| 19:51.53 | ruskie | lol |
| 19:52.19 | CBG | Lol. |
| 19:52.26 | CBG | Why? |
| 19:52.30 | CBG | Why not just take it? |
| 19:53.09 | ruskie | yeah |
| 19:53.42 | CBG | But i didnt mean my neighbour... hes 80 something... I meant anyone in the vicinty... like somone walking past... my brother... etc |
| 19:56.38 | Birdie | its possible to kill a guy when he is paused? |
| 19:56.47 | ruskie | no |
| 19:56.49 | CBG | Without Geno... |
| 19:56.52 | Birdie | outside capture the flags or geno |
| 19:57.09 | ruskie | and does geno or ctf really kill them? |
| 19:57.21 | Birdie | makes them explode |
| 19:57.27 | Birdie | dont count as kill(for geno) |
| 19:57.35 | Birdie | and you spawn on base(for ctf) |
| 19:57.49 | ruskie | so better to use del instead of p |
| 19:59.44 | _Manu_ | Birdie, have you tried /kill theplayer ? |
| 20:00.11 | Birdie | ehm no:( |
| 20:00.22 | _Manu_ | :) |
| 20:00.44 | _Manu_ | or /kill #slot reason... |
| 20:06.45 | menotume | Tupone: In regards to SportChick, i created a logging client |
| 20:07.07 | menotume | i have no idea how to safely removing timing / deadreckoning physics |
| 20:07.18 | Tupone | I can do :) |
| 20:07.26 | menotume | so, on each MsgPlayUpdate, i log: |
| 20:07.56 | menotume | my timestamp, the timestamp in the MPU, the slot id, and a 'clock drift from my own clock' |
| 20:08.34 | menotume | i keep a tick reference for each player when they join - so i can calualte a drift |
| 20:09.44 | Tupone | have you ever get a chance to test with SC ? |
| 20:09.53 | menotume | no, she's at work |
| 20:10.05 | menotume | should be home in a few hours, i think |
| 20:10.12 | menotume | SportyGal: ?? |
| 20:11.57 | menotume | my log looks like this: |
| 20:11.58 | menotume | 2005-05-12 16:01:48.703908: ( 77.6109) MPU [ 7] 79.4367 drift= 0.0013 |
| 20:12.48 | menotume | time-of-day: (my ticktime) MPU [slot id] ticktime_in_msg drift_from_my_tciker |
| 20:15.30 | Tupone | MPU ? what is |
| 20:15.41 | Tupone | ahh |
| 20:15.50 | menotume | sry |
| 20:15.54 | menotume | MsgPlayerUpdate |
| 20:18.01 | Tupone | menotume: Player.cxx:1308 -> if (1) { |
| 20:18.33 | menotume | that's too hard :P |
| 20:18.48 | menotume | hehe |
| 20:18.53 | Tupone | lol |
| 20:19.46 | Tupone | if that is to hard try Player.cxx:1319 -> if (0) { |
| 20:19.48 | Tupone | :) |
| 20:20.23 | menotume | so, just force: offset = 0.0f; |
| 20:20.25 | menotume | ? |
| 20:20.39 | Tupone | yeah, |
| 20:20.54 | menotume | ok :) |
| 20:21.07 | Tupone | or remove the correction with last line |
| 20:21.17 | menotume | I'll make a define for enable/disable |
| 20:21.19 | Tupone | should be the same ... last use low CPU |
| 20:21.40 | Tupone | after that, we should see what is giving that |
| 20:21.45 | Tupone | I suppose time |
| 20:21.57 | Tupone | if that I should track drift time speed |
| 20:21.59 | menotume | you lost me |
| 20:22.13 | menotume | 'last use low CPU' ? |
| 20:22.26 | Tupone | line 1319 should use less CPU |
| 20:22.55 | menotume | ahhh, right |
| 20:23.04 | menotume | good, i'll #ifdef that block |
| 20:23.12 | Tupone | ok |
| 20:23.48 | menotume | #ifndef SPORTY |
| 20:24.10 | Tupone | nahah, #ifndef LOOKING_AT_SPORTY |
| 20:24.32 | _Manu_ | heh |
| 20:24.35 | menotume | okies :) |
| 20:24.45 | Tupone | we could put an if based on the callsign :) |
| 20:25.04 | menotume | lol |
| 20:25.08 | menotume | and commit it |
| 20:26.18 | Tupone | but then your log is important, I need to know if the drift is linear or random ...hmmm |
| 20:26.28 | Tupone | you should also log position and speed |
| 20:26.43 | Tupone | 'cause packet could be delayed |
| 20:26.51 | Tupone | by the network |
| 20:26.57 | menotume | CIA-5: BZFlag: menotume * bzflag/src/bzflag.playing.cxx: SSportChick mod |
| 20:27.11 | Tupone | well, better try with a basic logging |
| 20:27.12 | Tupone | :) |
| 20:27.15 | menotume | lol |
| 20:28.11 | menotume | the drifting makes sense, cause her jitter is fine when she first joins |
| 20:28.21 | menotume | takes a few minutes before it gets bad |
| 20:28.57 | Chestal | how does the jitter show? in lagstats? others watchign her? her watchign others? |
| 20:29.08 | menotume | yes, yes, no |
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| 20:45.47 | menotume | Tupone: you probably don't need it, but my patch for logging is at: http://meno.zapto.org/bzcaps/sportmod.diff |
| 20:46.59 | Tupone | I'll be dreaming tanks for when you're about to test |
| 20:47.06 | menotume | okies :) |
| 20:47.18 | menotume | i'll let you know what happens tomorrow |
| 20:47.35 | Tupone | ok |
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| 20:50.15 | brlcad | or he'll just wake you up |
| 20:50.37 | brlcad | turn your speakers up and hook them up to ctcp tupone ping |
| 20:51.05 | Tupone | hehe, I use to switch off the desktop |
| 20:51.15 | brlcad | eek |
| 20:51.20 | brlcad | you you.. |
| 20:51.31 | brlcad | you.. actually turn it off?! :) |
| 20:51.52 | Tupone | lol, yeah, unless updating gentoo |
| 20:52.05 | brlcad | my computer is like my refrigerator |
| 20:52.38 | Tupone | one of mine is on, but no monitor and no irssi |
| 20:52.50 | Tupone | just mail & web |
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| 21:05.31 | Tupone | hey SportyGal |
| 21:07.18 | SportyGal | hi tupone |
| 21:07.40 | Tupone | Me, and menotume have planned some test |
| 21:08.03 | Tupone | but prolly you have to come back home, and me is going to sleep :) |
| 21:08.35 | Tupone | but I'm pretty sure jitter will go, but I need measurent to fix |
| 21:08.46 | Tupone | s/but// |
| 21:11.48 | brlcad | SportyGal: how many times have you heard that now? :) |
| 21:12.06 | Tupone | from me ? |
| 21:12.21 | brlcad | no just in general :) poor gal |
| 21:14.43 | SportyGal | Tupone: I'm up for trying anything (within reason - and all you who say "just install linux" can just hush!). yes, I'm still at work for 2 more hours or so |
| 21:14.55 | SportyGal | brlcad: more than I can count |
| 21:15.11 | brlcad | just install linux |
| 21:15.13 | Tupone | ~dict hush |
| 21:15.19 | brlcad | er, just buy a mac :) |
| 21:16.05 | SportyGal | ~whaleslap brlcad |
| 21:16.06 | ibot | ACTION slaps brlcad upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 21:16.32 | BearPerson | brlcad, did my patch get in? |
| 21:16.52 | brlcad | it should go in tonight |
| 21:17.09 | brlcad | sorry it's taken so long, got caught up in a release of another code |
| 21:17.40 | BearPerson | no problem |
| 21:19.17 | menotume | The next person who kids SC about her lag will be banned || and no, it's not WinDoze |
| 21:20.58 | menotume | SportChick: you won't have to do anything other than play, my client will log some needed information, including bank accounts, credit card numbers, etc. |
| 21:22.52 | brlcad | M$ Windows? WinBlows? .. oh the fun one can have |
| 21:23.01 | menotume | WinDoze |
| 21:23.40 | menotume | brlcad: have you seen: http://m-a-t.com/msgates/index.html |
| 21:23.48 | menotume | old jokes, very old |
| 21:23.55 | menotume | but, some are good |
| 21:25.52 | brlcad | yeah, seen em ;) |
| 21:25.58 | menotume | k |
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| 21:44.50 | BearPerson | hmm... strange error I'm getting on running ./autogen.sh |
| 21:45.29 | BearPerson | Can't locate object method "path" via package "Request" at /usr/share/autoconf/Autom4te/C4che.pm line 69, <GEN1> line 111. |
| 21:45.29 | BearPerson | aclocal: autom4te failed with exit status: 1 |
| 21:45.35 | BearPerson | what package am I missing? |
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| 21:52.12 | menotume | BearPerson: what is C4che.pm i wonder - some kinf of cahce ? |
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| 21:52.32 | BearPerson | not sure |
| 21:52.44 | menotume | might be interesting to rename it |
| 21:52.53 | menotume | and try again ? |
| 21:52.56 | menotume | just a guess |
| 21:53.09 | BearPerson | could try |
| 21:53.16 | BearPerson | though I don't have root perms myself |
| 21:53.21 | menotume | ohh |
| 21:53.47 | menotume | I have no such file in my /usr/share/autoconf |
| 21:54.11 | menotume | ohh, wait |
| 21:54.26 | BearPerson | /usr/share/autoconf/Autom4te |
| 21:54.37 | menotume | right :) |
| 21:54.39 | menotume | yes i do |
| 21:55.03 | menotume | got me, sry |
| 21:56.09 | wizart | ask him to use english :) |
| 22:00.14 | menotume | BearPerson: and, I don't know perl, so not much hope in figuring it out |
| 22:17.51 | Tupone | BearPerson: is that bzflag you are configuring? |
| 22:18.04 | BearPerson | yeah |
| 22:18.13 | BearPerson | latest CVS |
| 22:18.18 | Tupone | prolly you update auto tool |
| 22:18.25 | Tupone | clean your directory |
| 22:18.50 | BearPerson | what should be cleaned? |
| 22:19.05 | Tupone | the directory of bzflag |
| 22:19.24 | Tupone | make distclean |
| 22:19.25 | BearPerson | actually the full bzflag package this is |
| 22:19.26 | Tupone | perhaps |
| 22:19.30 | BearPerson | thanks |
| 22:19.32 | Tupone | I mean all |
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| 22:20.02 | BearPerson | yikes |
| 22:20.04 | Tupone | remove all the file generated from the previous autogen, or move the directory and checkout a new dir |
| 22:20.13 | Tupone | nite all |
| 22:20.17 | BearPerson | make distclean wants to run autogen-1.6 |
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| 22:43.17 | BearPerson | weird... must be autoconf/perl brokenness |
| 22:44.26 | menotume | automake -v |
| 22:44.36 | menotume | ww, sry :( |
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| 22:45.19 | learner | if the .am is changed, it will still try to bring it up to date even for a distclean/clean |
| 22:45.58 | BearPerson | well, it seems to me as if the directory isn't broken, but auto* is |
| 22:46.03 | BearPerson | thanks for the help though |
| 22:46.21 | BearPerson | since I get that error very often |
| 22:47.21 | learner | what version of autoconf/automake? |
| 22:47.38 | learner | there are slews of bugs in the older versions |
| 22:47.44 | BearPerson | autoconf 1.8.3 automake 2.59 |
| 22:47.59 | menotume | 2.59 ? |
| 22:48.02 | menotume | wow |
| 22:48.05 | learner | hm, that's not that old |
| 22:48.42 | menotume | heh, other way around :) |
| 22:49.03 | learner | .59's been out for a while |
| 22:49.43 | learner | 2.57 is where most of the worst bugs disappear |
| 22:49.55 | menotume | wnoder what the issues are between them |
| 22:50.16 | menotume | automake 1.9.2, conf 2.59 here |
| 22:50.42 | learner | yeah, I really doubt it's autoconf/automake's fault in this instance .. |
| 22:50.51 | learner | maligned user assumptions :) |
| 22:51.19 | BearPerson | I guess it's perl |
| 22:51.26 | BearPerson | missing some critical modules |
| 22:51.30 | learner | does it actually say "autogen-1.6"? |
| 22:51.43 | learner | or automake-1.6 |
| 22:52.00 | BearPerson | hmm |
| 22:52.14 | BearPerson | now "make distclean" just runs autoconf |
| 22:52.22 | BearPerson | which aborts with the known error |
| 22:52.22 | learner | and you had your versions backwards |
| 22:52.41 | BearPerson | right |
| 22:52.42 | menotume | <menotume> heh, other way around :) |
| 22:52.58 | learner | if it's trying to run automake 1.6, then you have some mismatch -- probably aclocal from 1.6 yet automake 1.8 is also in the path |
| 22:53.16 | learner | menotume, ahh.. i thought you meant new/old |
| 22:53.20 | menotume | :) |
| 22:53.45 | learner | BearPerson, aclocal version? |
| 22:54.46 | BearPerson | > aclocal --version |
| 22:54.46 | BearPerson | aclocal (GNU automake) 1.8.3 |
| 22:54.53 | menotume | hmm |
| 22:55.07 | learner | this isn't a debian system I hope? |
| 22:55.19 | BearPerson | not sure |
| 22:55.23 | learner | heh |
| 22:55.27 | menotume | cat /proc/version |
| 22:55.41 | BearPerson | seems FC2 |
| 23:02.19 | menotume | BearPerson: can u tell if someone upgraded your perl recently ? |
| 23:02.30 | menotume | perhaps: ls -la /usr/bin/perl |
| 23:02.53 | BearPerson | this is a freshly reinstalled server |
| 23:02.59 | menotume | ohh |
| 23:03.08 | BearPerson | actually, the bzflag is tarred up from the old install |
| 23:03.17 | menotume | i c |
| 23:03.24 | BearPerson | so it's bound to have all kinds of versions changed |
| 23:03.30 | BearPerson | and all kinds of stuff missing |
| 23:03.32 | menotume | gotya |
| 23:04.04 | menotume | fresh install or upgrade ? |
| 23:04.18 | BearPerson | reinstall |
| 23:04.33 | BearPerson | clean slate as far as I can tell |
| 23:05.10 | menotume | there's a comment at the top of C4che.pm, regarding some confusion |
| 23:05.21 | menotume | It used to |
| 23:05.21 | menotume | work with "my" vars, and I do not know whether the current behavior |
| 23:05.21 | menotume | (5.6) is wanted or not. |
| 23:05.42 | menotume | and, that's wher the path() func comes from |
| 23:06.07 | menotume | just for grins, ho w baout: |
| 23:06.11 | menotume | perl --version |
| 23:06.56 | BearPerson | This is perl, v5.8.3 built for i386-linux-thread-multi |
| 23:07.04 | menotume | oh well |
| 23:09.09 | BearPerson | gonna try one more thing |
| 23:09.13 | BearPerson | kill all locales |
| 23:10.17 | menotume | I'm gonna try to kill some hunger - bb soon |
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