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07:02.44joliethx ^_^
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09:35.47Birdie~dict cuddle
09:38.52ToughShooterI'm jittering vertically when having WG according to other players on w32. I was told I would only jitter when shooting. However I don't see others jittering (except the ones that have 10 or more ms jitter in lagstats) at all. I'm on Mac OS X 10.4. Any ideas?
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10:03.19jolieTUPO!!
10:03.25joliemy tupo <3<3
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10:05.37joliewell lag is a normal topic here...
10:05.49ToughShooterIt is not lag
10:06.03jolieno tthat i know what jitter means either
10:06.14jolieand w32 ... >_<
10:06.40ToughShooterI see all perfect and they see me perfect. Just when I begin to shoot I would jitter vertically
10:06.47jolieso if you can be more clear...
10:07.58ToughShooterThe interesting thing is that I don't see others jittering as well
10:08.16joliewell..  
10:08.57ToughShooterJittering people usually see all others jittering
10:08.57Birdieso you are jumping around cause of jitter while no jitter in the lagstats?
10:08.57ToughShooterno jitter in lagstats
10:09.18ToughShooterit's only when I begin to shoot
10:09.30jolieh mhm ...
10:09.30Birdiehmm
10:09.32jolieweird.
10:09.33Birdiefps?
10:09.40ToughShooterand jitter doesn't increase while shooting
10:09.44ToughShooteraround 38
10:09.58Birdiehmm
10:10.05Birdiei have around that to
10:10.16joliei would go with the well known REStart
10:10.38ToughShooterRestarting? :o
10:10.49Birdieits the first time you have it?
10:10.55Birdieor do you have it regulary
10:10.58jolieyeah... if not kick it ;)
10:11.01ToughShooterNope, since 2.0
10:11.05Birdiehmm
10:11.10Birdiethan you should ask jeff when he is here
10:11.34jolierestart!
10:11.49ToughShooterI'm not running w32
10:11.50Birdiedoubt that would help because he has it since the new release
10:12.09joliehm.. ur running macox , right?
10:12.12ToughShooterI restart 1st of each month
10:12.18Birdielol
10:12.24ToughShooterjolie: yup
10:12.43jolie...
10:12.49ToughShooterBirdie: Why laughing?
10:12.55Birdieonly once a month
10:12.58Birdiethats so few
10:13.01jolietold you he should
10:13.05jolierestart!!
10:13.08jolie;)
10:13.11Birdieif i let my pc to long open, he goes slowly and i always have to restart
10:13.20Birdieor she
10:13.24Birdiedunno the gender of my pc:)
10:13.45joliescary when you give a gernder to ur pc dude :S
10:13.47ToughShooterI don't have any problems after one month, just doing it to avoid strange problems before they happen
10:14.52joliethomas drueck restart!
10:14.58ToughShooternah
10:15.03joliedoch doch
10:18.01ToughShootersudo rm -rf /sbin/reboot
10:18.16ToughShooterit's gone
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10:25.12Tuponejolie: ciao. what is the thing you showed "<3"? I can imagine but too much things follows
10:26.10joliehaha a heart  
10:26.18jolieor an ice cream butt
10:26.33CBGrotate your head 90degrees clockwise, tutopne.
10:26.41CBG*tupone... :S
10:27.32Tuponeor a breast ?
10:27.44joliea madonnas boobie then
10:29.19CBGFunny breast...
10:52.32BearPersonmy mother always refers to cars and mobile phones and stuff as "he"
10:53.46BearPerson"I guess everything I depend on I refer to as male" she said once
10:54.02BearPerson"Or everything that leaves you on your own when you need them" I said
10:57.25CBGThat was random, BearPerson.
10:57.49BearPersonor very laggy
10:58.10BearPersonreferring to the "gender of my pc" almost an hour ago ;-)
10:58.27CBGAh! :P
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11:45.47menotumehellos
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12:55.08menotumeyou people talk waaay to much
12:55.57joliewell
12:56.18jolienm.
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14:40.52jpa-hello
14:44.30menotume<3
14:44.41jpa-<33<3
14:44.50jpa-menotume: did you miss me?
14:45.10menotumebut, of course :)
14:45.23menotumeuuummmm, were you gone ?
14:45.36menotumehehe
14:45.53jpa-yes :P
14:46.02jpa-but good if you didn't notice
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15:09.41learnerMrApathyCream: deadmeat?
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16:15.27ToughShooterPing cosmos
16:15.59fabianneyou ping him..
16:16.01fabiannetsk.
16:18.07Birdieman i cant get on hepcat
16:18.18Birdiewell i can get on but i cant identified
16:18.26Birdieso i cant speak
16:18.33ToughShooterCheck lag Birdie
16:18.39Birdiei had 2500
16:18.43Birdieserver trouble
16:18.51ToughShooterSomeone is doing a denial of service attack
16:19.01ToughShootertraceroute on command line looks ok
16:19.07Birdiehmm
16:19.32Birdiei dunno what i can do
16:19.49Birdiei am full privilliged but cant do a thing:ยง
16:19.51ToughShootercosmos could check what is causing it
16:20.28ToughShooterusing ssh for example
16:22.48Birdiei still cant identify
16:24.11ToughShootertry 81 instead of 80
16:24.19Birdie81?
16:24.25ToughShooterport 81
16:24.42ToughShooterthe list server does authentification on port 80 usually
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16:24.55Birdiei take port 5154..
16:25.04Birdieoh
16:25.05Birdiebut how to change
16:25.14ToughShooterit's in the conf file
16:26.05ToughShootermaybe it has stopped working again
16:26.25Birdiei'll try later today
16:31.08menotumeBirdie: I made a post on GU forums about port 81
16:31.26Birdieau and i didnt saw that
16:31.37Birdiegonna look:)
16:32.45Birdiewell..
16:32.51Birdiei never had troubles before
16:32.54Birdiehow can i have now than?
16:35.00ToughShooterBirdie: I thought you wouldn't speak german
16:35.15Birdiei dont
16:35.23Birdiewell..outside some basic words
16:35.50ToughShooterThen why using "au"? ;)
16:36.13Birdiei took that from fantazee, he somethimes says that after i killed him:)
16:36.29ToughShooterit's ouch
16:36.50orchid"argles"
16:37.04ToughShooter~dict argles
16:37.05Birdieargles ? lol
16:37.16ToughShooter~x en de
16:37.19Birdiethats something 'bzgirls'
16:37.24orchidthats a Z/moles one
16:37.30ToughShooter~x de en arglos
16:37.30orchidask Chestal
16:37.59ToughShooterbabelfish's translations are always so cruel :(
16:39.11Birdiehepcat is normal again
16:41.49Birdielucky i dont typ the things i say somethimes during playing;:(
16:42.53fabiannehi orchid  :D
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16:43.31orchidhi fabbi
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16:54.23fabianne^_^
16:56.24Death_Barrelhttp://kelsoes.com/how/cooler-stereo/
16:57.23ToughShooterI'm jittering vertically when having WG according to other players on w32. I was told I would only jitter when shooting. However I don't see others jittering (except the ones that have 10 or more ms jitter in lagstats) at all. I'm on Mac OS X 10.4. Any ideas?
16:57.34fabianneyou and ur jittering dude
16:58.03ToughShooterfabianne: You and your nice quit message
16:58.06JeffM2501are you on a laptop?
16:58.08fabianneso did you reboot?
16:58.17ToughShooterJeffM2501: yup
16:58.25fabianneToughShooter: well.. you are free to NOT read it.
16:58.26fabianne:)
16:58.28ToughShooterNo increase of jitter in lagstats however
16:58.33JeffM2501ToughShooter, there is a known issue with laptops and bzflag and jitter on windows
16:58.39JeffM2501it will be fixed at some point
16:58.53JeffM2501when your lapy CPU throttles it screws up our timers
16:58.54ToughShooterI'm not using this DOS program
16:59.09JeffM2501bzflag does not run in dos
16:59.16ToughShootersomeone mentioned window
16:59.17ToughShooters
16:59.29ToughShooterwindows is a DOS program
16:59.36JeffM2501ohh no no no
16:59.54JeffM2501there is a problem with laptops and bzflag
16:59.55JeffM2501on windows
17:00.00ToughShooterjust no x86
17:00.04JeffM2501somone will fix it soon
17:00.13JeffM2501are you on windows on your laptop?
17:00.26ToughShooterRe-read my first message please
17:00.44JeffM2501ohh
17:00.45JeffM2501hmm
17:00.49JeffM2501them on w32
17:00.54JeffM2501dono
17:01.05ToughShooterThe ones that told me are on w32
17:01.23ToughShooterJitter doesn't increase in lagstats
17:01.35JeffM2501it's not real jitter
17:01.42JeffM2501maybe the timer bug affects them too
17:01.51JeffM2501the timmer on win32 seems to have issues
17:02.01JeffM2501one reason sportchick was jumping all over the palce.
17:02.17ToughShooterDoes that mean I'm not jittering?
17:02.42JeffM2501probably not
17:03.10fabiannehm..
17:04.00JeffM2501there are other timers and ways we can fix our timers
17:06.15ToughShooterSo they are done with more work...
17:06.48ToughShooterperhaps it's the price for supporting windows, w32 or NT
17:07.23JeffM2501price?
17:07.33JeffM2501no it's just the timer we chose to use wasn't the best one.
17:07.54ToughShooterthe pay, the more work that has to be done
17:08.13JeffM2501it just wasn't done right at the start
17:08.21JeffM2501so it's kind of a mistake
17:08.37JeffM2501just as it would have been on any OS if the wrong code had been used
17:08.40ToughShooterJust let me in believe it was the OS
17:08.57ToughShooter;)
17:09.12JeffM2501nope
17:13.53JeffM2501where is madagascar?
17:14.13JeffM2501ww
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18:01.02Thumper_jpa-: morning
18:01.14jpa-morning
18:01.24jpa-oh, this is not hug-bunny
18:01.41jpa-for a moment i was scared that everyone is here :)
18:01.49jpa-or there
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18:19.41menotumehehe
18:20.40menotumelol
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18:30.29ToughShooterhttp://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/technologie/0,1518,356558,00.html
18:30.40ToughShooterNow that's funny
18:31.23ToughShooterI better don't put my notebook into oil however
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18:58.23fabianne^_^
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19:02.25CBGDo not fear. CBG is here.
19:02.46BearPersons/not //
19:02.58CBGo.O
19:03.23fabiannecbg cbg
19:03.26fabiannecibigi
19:03.31BearPersonchasing with SW is generally a bad idea ;-)
19:03.32CBGfabianne fabianne. <3 ;)
19:04.36Thumper_~bzfrag CBG
19:04.37ibotACTION tries to kill CBG, but finds the shield flag
19:05.08CBG(and ibot.) ;)
19:05.16ToughShooterJeffM2501: I found a Linux user and after a few tests he told me I would jitter when shooting, too
19:06.04JeffM2501ToughShooter, hmm, maybe it's the vert DR calcs then
19:06.18JeffM2501or the mac timer sucks too
19:07.04BearPersonawww... why is "Nick" an erroneous nickname...
19:07.25JeffM2501<PROTECTED>
19:09.25ToughShooterJeffM2501: I was told it is mainly when moving forward and backwards
19:09.38JeffM2501wierdness
19:09.39ToughShooteronly while shooting and having WG
19:09.50ToughShooter38 FPS
19:10.37CBGbz is c++ not just C, right?
19:10.50JeffM2501C is a subset of C++
19:10.59JeffM2501bzflag uses C++
19:11.08CBGThanks.
19:11.09JeffM2501but contains code that could be considierd "C"
19:11.34CBGBut I should search for C++ tuts, correct?
19:11.38JeffM2501for (i = 0; i < 5; i++) can be considered both C and C++
19:11.52JeffM2501the C++ tuts should cover C as well
19:12.33CBGOk... And in game, 80FPS is good?
19:13.35Tuponemore then the monitor frequency is considered good :)
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19:14.18TuponeJeffM2501: I read about NSIS, it seems that he can be run on linux too :)
19:14.47JeffM2501Tupone, ok
19:15.01Tuponebut I'm not going to mess with it now
19:15.18JeffM2501probably not the most commmon use of it :)
19:16.41ToughShooterJeffM2501: Should the jitter in lagstats increase when it is a timer problem?
19:17.26JeffM2501nope
19:17.32JeffM2501that's what SCs problem was
19:18.14ToughShooterHmm, I've always seen her with high jitter in lagstats previously
19:18.21tango_CBG, it'll be 60hz
19:18.28tango_CBG, most tft monitors I know are 60hz
19:18.38CBGTango_: Cheers.
19:18.45tango_you owe me a ...
19:18.46tango_hm
19:18.52CBGHug?
19:19.03tango_sorry, I'm engaged
19:19.05tango_hm
19:19.17tango_the puffy tank we were talking about the other day
19:19.28CBGYou want one? o.O
19:19.29ToughShooterWith the temporary fix it is only 2 or 1ms jitter, she had 20-30ms without fix
19:19.49tango_CBG, not really
19:19.57tango_but I can't think of anything else off the top of my mind
19:20.07tango_apart from the usual, lots of money, a house, things like this
19:20.20tango_rotfl
19:23.30tango_bah
19:23.38tango_bzflag 2 is obnoxiously slow
19:23.47tango_previous was so fine ...
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19:24.08Ice_WeweJeffM2501, does that anti-camper code work?
19:24.24JeffM2501it's not "anti camper code"
19:24.36JeffM2501you can just tie world weapons to events now
19:24.41Ice_Wewecool
19:25.02Ice_Wewedo i have to do any coding to get what the topic was talking about to work
19:25.18Ice_Wewelike a SW going off when the team flag is captured to kill campers
19:25.25JeffM2501you have to just add some stuff to your map
19:25.30Ice_Wewelike?
19:25.33JeffM2501that's a one line change per base
19:25.38Ice_Wewereally?
19:25.39JeffM2501on each base put onCap SW
19:25.42Ice_Wewewhat like is that?
19:25.43JeffM2501yeah
19:25.54Ice_Weweso in the map code
19:25.57JeffM2501that'll put a SW when the team flag for that base is caped
19:26.02JeffM2501in the map file
19:26.05JeffM2501not the code
19:26.07JeffM2501just the map
19:26.07Ice_Wewewhere do I put that? right before "end"
19:26.13JeffM2501anywhere in the base object
19:26.16Ice_Weweok
19:26.24Ice_Weweso "onCap SW"
19:26.29JeffM2501yeah
19:26.39CBGcool!
19:26.44JeffM2501or replace SW with what ever flag you want
19:26.47Ice_Weweok one second, I have to shh into my linux box to do that
19:26.50tango_plus the audio is horrible
19:26.52tango_*sigh*
19:26.55JeffM2501you need CVS code
19:26.56CBGSo you could use GM ?
19:27.00JeffM2501if you wantd to
19:27.06CBGHow would that work?
19:27.15JeffM2501onCap just adds a simple world weapon at the base location
19:27.30JeffM2501if you want more contoll use the "trigger" option on the world weap
19:27.32CBGso it would fire a GM at each person on the base?
19:27.58JeffM2501not at anything
19:28.01JeffM2501it'll just fire one
19:28.05BearPersonit would probably fire a GM shot north
19:28.06JeffM2501at the bases' rot
19:28.11Ice_Weweugg, I hope this doesn't bog down my wireless
19:28.12JeffM2501from the bases origin
19:28.27CBGso GM wouldnt be an awful lot of use...
19:28.28JeffM2501if you want to set the pos/angle/tilt, you have to use a world weap
19:28.32JeffM2501probably not
19:28.38JeffM2501not a single one at least
19:28.44CBGOk. I'll have a play with it.
19:28.48JeffM2501you could define a bunch of weaps to fire a lot of them in the map
19:28.55BearPersonyou could add several TH world weapons oncap
19:29.04Ice_Wewebase
19:29.04Ice_Wewename Base
19:29.04Ice_Weweposition -300 300 50
19:29.05Ice_Wewerotation 0
19:29.05Ice_Wewesize 20 20 1
19:29.05Ice_Wewecolor 1
19:29.06BearPersonany base camper loses his flag :)
19:29.07Ice_WeweonCap SW
19:29.09Ice_Weweend
19:29.11Ice_Wewelike that?
19:29.13Ice_Weweoops sorry
19:29.31Ice_Wewelike that?
19:29.59JeffM2501they just get killed if the SW hits them
19:30.06Ice_Wewewait, how do you set the SW size?
19:30.08JeffM2501yeah just like that
19:30.10JeffM2501you don't
19:30.12Ice_Weweok thanks
19:30.13JeffM2501it's a normal SW
19:30.18Ice_Weweso it default size?
19:30.21JeffM2501fired by the world
19:30.22JeffM2501yeah
19:30.25Ice_Wewecool
19:30.36Ice_Wewethanks man, I'm going to put this on everyone of my maps!
19:30.44JeffM2501it's just like you had put a world weap at the base
19:30.44BearPersonif you need something bigger, add world weapon SWs
19:30.53Ice_Weweugg, wireless lag
19:31.01BearPersonand check man bzw.5s for the docs ;-)
19:31.05JeffM2501yeah
19:31.06Ice_Weweok
19:31.08JeffM2501I updated the man pages
19:31.11CBGHow do you get a world weap to work with OnCap ?
19:31.18Ice_WeweI'm running xchat on one box, and gedit on another
19:31.19Ice_Weweoh man
19:31.26Ice_Weweanyway, thanks much
19:31.36Ice_Weweits like this, I think
19:31.54BearPersonCBG, check the docs... instead of the delay stuff it's Event foo and something
19:31.56Ice_WeweUpon this teams flag capture, fire a single SW to kill campers
19:32.07Ice_Wewethanks, bye
19:32.08CBGOk. cheers
19:33.18ToughShooter~dict Red Sox
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19:48.08tango_GhostS (GS) or SPawn (SP) can't decide+2 or 3 mini bot tanks come out of your tanks and help you by providing cover ect. They die by being shot or after a cirtain period of time (45 secs?)
19:48.16tango_why not call it YattaMan? (YM)
19:48.40CBGAs a new flag?
19:53.10BearPersonsounds pretty complicated
20:12.42brad2901...
20:12.44Tuponetango_: stop it
20:12.49tango_sorry
20:12.51tango_it's xchat
20:12.54Tuponedisable it
20:13.00tango_what?
20:13.09Tuponedisable the announcement
20:13.17tango_ok
20:14.35Pimpihmm, mik quit bz once more?
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20:27.22orchidPimpi: where did you hear this?
20:27.27orchidciao Tupone
20:27.34Tuponeciao
20:29.47BearPersonlike people only able to file one report per 5 minutes or something
20:30.10orchidgetting report spam?
20:30.37BearPersonnot really spam
20:30.39BearPersonidiotism
20:30.49BearPersontalking to cops via /report's
20:31.12BearPersonreporting stuff like "Reported by killeroot: something's wrong wilth my view, it's 30 degrees"
20:31.21orchidheh
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22:21.06Pimpi;)
22:44.16wegstar:)
22:47.19menotume:;)
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23:02.56purple_cowhmm, what's the technique for disabling mousegrab again?
23:05.03Tuponein bzflag? option->input->confine mouse
23:05.14Tuponeif you mean that
23:06.06Tuponethat works in SDL
23:06.15Tuponedunno the other platform
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23:37.32menotumedata is overrated

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