| 00:00.38 | JeffM2501 | guu`, nick guuShakalakabingbong |
| 00:00.52 | brad2901 | :) |
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| 00:08.32 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, you know if libGame is used by the client? |
| 00:08.55 | DTRemenak | dunno, does the vc project have a dependency set up for it? |
| 00:09.09 | DTRemenak | my guess is yes |
| 00:09.15 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 00:09.16 | JeffM2501 | yeah it does |
| 00:09.31 | DTRemenak | I think the server-list-fetching stuff is in there |
| 00:09.54 | DTRemenak | 'cause it's borken? :) |
| 00:10.36 | JeffM2501 | because it didn't compile :) |
| 00:10.41 | JeffM2501 | gotta give game access to net :) |
| 00:10.43 | DTRemenak | same thing :) |
| 00:10.47 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 00:10.53 | JeffM2501 | or maybe I shuldn't |
| 00:11.16 | DTRemenak | just make sure not to get any circular depends :) |
| 00:11.20 | JeffM2501 | I'm consolodating all all the pack and unpack code |
| 00:11.33 | JeffM2501 | so there will be one place where all the code for messages are done |
| 00:11.37 | JeffM2501 | not spread all aover |
| 00:12.01 | DTRemenak | that seems rather anti-oo to me |
| 00:12.26 | JeffM2501 | well each message is a class |
| 00:12.33 | JeffM2501 | and it knows how to pack and unpack itself |
| 00:12.35 | JeffM2501 | so it's more oo |
| 00:12.56 | JeffM2501 | you just make an object for the message, fill out the data, then tell it to pack itself upp |
| 00:12.58 | DTRemenak | depends on the message, I guess...some messages carry most of an object in themselves |
| 00:13.27 | JeffM2501 | well then for like player updates, the message object is sent to the playerInfo class |
| 00:13.35 | JeffM2501 | and it gets the data outa the mesasge |
| 00:13.42 | JeffM2501 | by "one place" I didn't mean a single file |
| 00:14.09 | DTRemenak | guess it's just different. don't mind me :) |
| 00:14.11 | JeffM2501 | right now the unpacking of a single message can be spread out over a ton of places |
| 00:14.12 | Nidhoggr | jeffm, do you know anything about ssh keys changing on the bzflag server? |
| 00:14.28 | JeffM2501 | Nidhoggr, not that I'm aware of |
| 00:14.30 | DTRemenak | yeah, that's true |
| 00:14.34 | DTRemenak | some of it is kinda sloppy |
| 00:14.34 | JeffM2501 | I know purple_cow installed a new one recently |
| 00:14.36 | JeffM2501 | for him |
| 00:14.38 | Nidhoggr | I haven't logged in in ages. |
| 00:14.43 | Nidhoggr | hrm. |
| 00:14.48 | JeffM2501 | Nidhoggr, tim may be upgrading to sarge |
| 00:14.57 | Nidhoggr | it's been sarge for a while. |
| 00:15.06 | Nidhoggr | he may be upgrading to newest or something. |
| 00:15.11 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, yeah I just figured when you say "how does this message work?" you shoudl be able to go to logical place |
| 00:15.22 | JeffM2501 | maybe |
| 00:15.24 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501, gee, that's silly ;) |
| 00:15.32 | JeffM2501 | yeah me and my silly LOGIC |
| 00:15.36 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 00:16.13 | DTRemenak | if you're going to be spending a lot of consecutive time on it, you might even consider changing your whitespace settings ;) |
| 00:16.15 | JeffM2501 | then I can also clean up all those nasty case statements and just let sections of code register watchers for messages |
| 00:16.20 | Nidhoggr | aaah. it was my stupid OS. it removed my .hosts file when I upgraded. |
| 00:16.33 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, or changing the devinfo file :) |
| 00:16.36 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 00:16.52 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, I also change another bit of code..... the version number |
| 00:16.59 | DTRemenak | whee! :) |
| 00:17.04 | JeffM2501 | 2.9.01 |
| 00:17.10 | DTRemenak | eek! |
| 00:17.17 | JeffM2501 | :D |
| 00:17.33 | JeffM2501 | made proto 2901 |
| 00:18.01 | JeffM2501 | that gives 99 proto changes to release |
| 00:18.07 | JeffM2501 | I hope that "SHOULD" be enough |
| 00:18.33 | Nidhoggr | I want to restart secretplace, since it's been up since april 2. |
| 00:18.34 | DTRemenak | why 2.9 not 2.1? planning on working three branches at once? |
| 00:18.51 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, some people may not "like" my changes |
| 00:19.01 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 00:19.05 | JeffM2501 | so I gave myself some room ;) |
| 00:19.40 | Nidhoggr | what's changed in the code since april? anything cool? |
| 00:19.51 | JeffM2501 | but I do think that when we go to 2.1, proto should be 210xx for it's dev |
| 00:19.58 | JeffM2501 | then there is some match between proto and version |
| 00:20.03 | JeffM2501 | may make some people happyer |
| 00:20.11 | JeffM2501 | Nidhoggr, plugins |
| 00:20.17 | Nidhoggr | oooh. plugins?! |
| 00:20.26 | DTRemenak | yup. I was gonna bump to 2100 when the branch was split |
| 00:20.29 | JeffM2501 | wana see the last N things a player said? |
| 00:20.50 | Nidhoggr | that'd be cool. |
| 00:20.53 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, it would also match the year of the branch :) |
| 00:20.59 | DTRemenak | haha |
| 00:21.12 | DTRemenak | actually I was gonna push for a 2.0.4 and branch next week ;) |
| 00:21.15 | JeffM2501 | Nidhoggr, there are a couple plugins you may want, and there is the ability to do more. |
| 00:21.24 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow is working on a web admin plugin |
| 00:21.29 | JeffM2501 | where bzfs becomes it's own web server |
| 00:21.43 | Nidhoggr | so, how did adns get replaced, and do I need to do anything special to compile since the change? |
| 00:21.54 | JeffM2501 | it's now ares |
| 00:21.57 | Nidhoggr | oh, that would be really nice. |
| 00:22.00 | DTRemenak | you don't need to do anything special, no |
| 00:22.09 | JeffM2501 | we have our own ares code inside |
| 00:23.25 | purple_cow | i'm not really working on a web admin plugin, i just created the directory ;) |
| 00:23.41 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 00:24.23 | Nidhoggr | lol |
| 00:24.45 | Nidhoggr | for future reference, you can't make plaster set any faster by staring at it. |
| 00:25.44 | DTRemenak | a watched pot never boils :) |
| 00:25.49 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 00:26.10 | Nidhoggr | in this case, plaster still takes 30 minutes to set, even if you watch it. |
| 00:26.32 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 00:28.02 | Nidhoggr | do I need any ./configure options to get dns lookups? |
| 00:28.11 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 00:28.20 | purple_cow | so, someone explain to me how the whole bzbb password thing works |
| 00:28.23 | DTRemenak | no |
| 00:29.06 | DTRemenak | purple_cow, ok...client sends password to the list server. list server generates a token, stores it, and sends a copy to the client. |
| 00:29.33 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, the username and token thing is tacked onto the list server querys |
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| 00:29.56 | JeffM2501 | the client sends in it's username/password with it's "gimme the list of servers" |
| 00:29.59 | JeffM2501 | and gets back a token |
| 00:30.00 | DTRemenak | client connects to the server and sends the server its token. server sends the token to the list server...if the token is good (recent, matches username and ip, password matched), then the list server says it's good, otherwise it says it's bad and the auth is refused |
| 00:30.24 | JeffM2501 | then the server says to list server "is dude in this group?" |
| 00:30.32 | JeffM2501 | list server says yes or no |
| 00:30.43 | purple_cow | where'd the list server code go? |
| 00:30.51 | JeffM2501 | it's php |
| 00:31.03 | DTRemenak | server side is in the db module |
| 00:31.11 | DTRemenak | bzfs side is in src/bzfs |
| 00:31.18 | DTRemenak | client side is in src/game |
| 00:31.30 | purple_cow | aha, db |
| 00:35.15 | DTRemenak | yeesh. that sounds cool. :) |
| 00:38.53 | purple_cow | oof, m.b.o is on apache1 |
| 00:39.05 | brlcad | cool? that sounds scary |
| 00:45.25 | purple_cow | welp, before any svn stuff happens, it'll need to be migrated to apache 2 |
| 00:52.52 | menotume | brlcad: hellos |
| 00:52.54 | purple_cow | hmm, so it looks like it should be incredibly easy to tie user auth into the db |
| 00:54.15 | purple_cow | if we want to do any sort of fancy access control (rather than just granting access to the entire repo), it'll probably require hacking the bb a bit |
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| 01:38.34 | brlcad | menotume: hola |
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| 01:43.49 | menotume | DTRemenak: I'm about to commit a change to bzflag that adds a new class. I trie to update the MS project files, dunno if I got them right :) |
| 01:44.06 | DTRemenak | menotume, if you didn't, Jeff will surely let you know ;) |
| 01:45.25 | menotume | ok :) |
| 01:47.28 | purple_cow | you actually went to the trouble of updating them? wow |
| 01:47.42 | purple_cow | i thought the usual MO was just to let them fix it when it breaks |
| 01:48.21 | shorty114 | heh |
| 01:50.00 | menotume | learner MADE me do it :P |
| 01:54.44 | brlcad | hehe |
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| 01:56.38 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03menotume * 10bzflag/ (11 files in 4 dirs): |
| 01:56.38 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: Spearate scoreboard logic to new class: ScoreboardRenderer.cxx. |
| 01:56.38 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: No functional changes except that team scores are not displayed |
| 01:56.38 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: on FFA servers. |
| 01:56.39 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: New scoreboard features coming soon. |
| 02:01.11 | DTRemenak | what if we want our team scores on ffa? :) |
| 02:02.31 | menotume | just image a bunch of zeros |
| 02:02.35 | menotume | imagine :) |
| 02:02.56 | menotume | it will still show team sizes |
| 02:03.30 | DTRemenak | they're not zeroes, actually |
| 02:03.38 | DTRemenak | total kills/deaths per team |
| 02:03.48 | menotume | team scores are team flag captures, yes ? |
| 02:03.53 | DTRemenak | not in ffa |
| 02:03.59 | menotume | ohh ? |
| 02:04.00 | DTRemenak | join secretplace, for instance |
| 02:04.03 | menotume | eeeep |
| 02:04.16 | DTRemenak | that's how you can play FFA league matches |
| 02:04.18 | menotume | shows how much ffa i play :) |
| 02:04.22 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 02:04.58 | menotume | ok, i'll fix in a few |
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| 02:05.29 | brlcad | might as well just take out ffa altogether next |
| 02:05.37 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 02:08.09 | menotume | or sooner ... |
| 02:08.25 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03menotume * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ScoreboardRenderer.cxx: Restore team scores in FFA mode. |
| 02:09.10 | menotume | bb in 30 mins |
| 02:09.21 | menotume | save all complaints till then :) |
| 02:11.50 | shorty114 | just flood his away log |
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| 02:59.52 | menotume | GvzEvxre, TimRiker: did you need something tested on FC3 ? |
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| 04:26.42 | BenUrban | hmm? |
| 04:26.42 | BenUrban | what's !lart? |
| 04:27.16 | BenUrban | ah thanks |
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| 04:58.31 | jolie | morning |
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| 06:10.04 | purple_cow | for all interested: i'm going to start working on getting m.b.o to run apache2 |
| 06:10.48 | purple_cow | err, hmm |
| 06:13.56 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 06:14.58 | purple_cow | there we go, it's got urls again |
| 06:15.15 | purple_cow | there's a lot of stuff to upgrade aside from the stuff i'm installing |
| 06:15.24 | purple_cow | i'm not going to do it, since i don't want to break things |
| 06:16.42 | JeffM2501 | hh |
| 06:16.44 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
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| 06:24.58 | JeffM2501 | makes the sense |
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| 06:54.53 | LePoulpe303 | Hi all ! |
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| 07:58.03 | LePoulpe303 | may MyBzflag stats be used freely by anyone or is there a permission to ask ? |
| 07:58.48 | creeperz | LePoulpe303: bzflag and everything bzflag related is covered in the GNU General Public Liscense |
| 07:59.02 | creeperz | so, in short, no |
| 07:59.49 | creeperz | you do not need permission |
| 07:59.54 | creeperz | and anyoen can use it :-) |
| 08:01.18 | LePoulpe303 | ok thnaks :) |
| 08:01.57 | LePoulpe303 | i would like to use gamesunited and 1vsv1 stats too ; so there i must ask to respective site owners certianly ... |
| 08:04.00 | creeperz | more than likely |
| 08:04.30 | LePoulpe303 | have you ever seen one of this owner here ? |
| 08:13.21 | Pimpi | which 1vs1 stats do you want? |
| 08:13.35 | LePoulpe303 | 1vs1bzleague |
| 08:13.49 | LePoulpe303 | but if other stats for other server are present i'm interested too |
| 08:14.30 | Pimpi | what data are you interested in i mean? |
| 08:14.40 | LePoulpe303 | player statistics |
| 08:14.54 | LePoulpe303 | score, strength, kills death , shoe size |
| 08:15.00 | Pimpi | other than presented on the 1vs1 tourney's website? |
| 08:15.51 | LePoulpe303 | dunno 1vs1 tourney |
| 08:16.16 | Pimpi | http://1vs1.bzleague.com iirc |
| 08:16.31 | LePoulpe303 | oh yes sory this one |
| 08:18.12 | LePoulpe303 | i would like to use those data (zelo in particular) |
| 08:18.12 | LePoulpe303 | and know if there's q request to have one player stats ( otherwise i will use entire page and search for callsign) |
| 08:19.43 | LePoulpe303 | my goal is to make a program that colect bz data on players ; later perhaps if i can create IM plugin to avrt that your friend is connected to viper.pimpi.org (<- just an example :)) |
| 08:21.24 | LePoulpe303 | or , if you want to start a 1vs1 match, see that Mikkel is currently on ther server, and with a zelo that is 4 time yours you don't habe any chance to get a point in your match |
| 08:23.47 | Pimpi | there's no way to get only on player's data |
| 08:24.07 | LePoulpe303 | not important ; xpath query will be sufficient :) |
| 08:24.23 | Pimpi | you can use the big ladda and search for the individual data |
| 08:24.33 | LePoulpe303 | exactly what i'm currently doing |
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| 08:24.54 | LePoulpe303 | but i will need ? darthvalou ? authorization |
| 08:25.08 | jpa_ | or maybe, if the people behind the service are interested of your idea, they might provide the data in a format that is easier to parse |
| 08:25.25 | LePoulpe303 | jpa_ right |
| 08:26.20 | LePoulpe303 | jpa_ but you know my program will only be availbale on WinXP ; so i'm psychologically prepared to encounter some resistance ...... |
| 08:26.44 | Pimpi | i run the servers, |zongo| runs the site (on my HW too) |
| 08:27.11 | LePoulpe303 | pimpi : i will ask zongo then |
| 08:27.21 | Pimpi | you don't need further autozisation to search/access/reuse data from that site |
| 08:27.24 | Pimpi | it's ok |
| 08:27.35 | LePoulpe303 | k thanks !! |
| 08:27.46 | LePoulpe303 | i'm + |
| 08:28.26 | LePoulpe303 | very sorry i must limit my program to win32 , but the only multiplatform language i know a little is python, and user interface is headache in this language |
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| 08:29.23 | Pimpi | you wan't to use smalltalk ;) |
| 08:29.37 | LePoulpe303 | i used it during my studies |
| 08:29.54 | LePoulpe303 | nto really good remembrance |
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| 11:45.24 | solemnwarning | without bladica there are no good servers |
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| 15:14.38 | cods | CBG: you can set limit to .5 for the alpha channel |
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| 15:14.49 | cods | (both limit) |
| 15:14.52 | CBG | on the dynamic color? |
| 15:14.55 | cods | yes |
| 15:15.09 | CBG | like: blue sinusoid 3 0 0.3 0.5 |
| 15:16.24 | CBG | cods: can you show me how? |
| 15:16.27 | cods | something like alpha limits .5 .5 |
| 15:16.32 | cods | but only IIRC |
| 15:16.49 | CBG | Oh right, I gotcha. Thanks! |
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| 15:30.29 | CBG | also, I'm making a map where the idea is to stay off the ground... I want to make the floor (or a box on the floor) a phydriver with the death message "You fell on the floor"... but even with -sb , won't people spawn on the floor? |
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| 15:31.13 | CBG | Morning Jeff. |
| 15:31.42 | JeffM2501 | hi |
| 15:32.00 | CBG | Is there a way to make players spawn ONLY on buildings? |
| 15:32.20 | JeffM2501 | not that I am aware of |
| 15:32.25 | CBG | damnit. |
| 15:32.40 | JeffM2501 | you could only put spawn zones on buildings |
| 15:32.49 | CBG | ahhh. Yes. :D |
| 15:33.07 | CBG | (DUH!) thanks. :) |
| 15:33.18 | JeffM2501 | its not automagic tho |
| 15:33.43 | CBG | whats not? :S |
| 15:37.28 | trepan | cover the ground with an invisible drivethrough face at around z = 0.001 |
| 15:38.12 | CBG | tanks don't spawn on drivethrough objects? |
| 15:38.38 | trepan | why would they? |
| 15:38.51 | CBG | lol... silly me |
| 15:38.57 | CBG | I just realised what i just said. :( |
| 15:39.07 | CBG | ok. Thanks trepan :D |
| 15:39.27 | trepan | you'll probably get "just dropping the sucker in" messages if you don't use zones |
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| 15:39.40 | MacceG | hellu |
| 15:39.51 | trepan | JeffM2501's zone approach is cleaner |
| 15:40.04 | CBG | but could take a while to code each zone... |
| 15:40.17 | CBG | what messages do you mean? what from? |
| 15:40.19 | JeffM2501 | hence why I said it wasn' automagical |
| 15:40.37 | MacceG | I can't get bzfs to start |
| 15:40.39 | JeffM2501 | bzfs will just throw a tank in the world if it takes to loong to figure out a spawn point |
| 15:41.03 | trepan | one big zone just off of the ground might do it, forget how i coded the algo |
| 15:41.11 | JeffM2501 | MacceG, and the error you get is? |
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| 15:41.14 | CBG | oooh. not good :( |
| 15:41.16 | trepan | i think it climbs |
| 15:41.18 | MacceG | when I type ./bzfs -conf bzfs.config it displays the help for bzfs, it doesn't start the server |
| 15:41.43 | JeffM2501 | one of the lines in that help list will tell you what line in your config it dosn't understand |
| 15:41.55 | JeffM2501 | one or more of your lines is wrong |
| 15:42.10 | CBG | trepan: if you make a zone but don't say anyone can spawn there... nobody will spawn there... right? |
| 15:42.46 | CBG | so i could make a zone to cover the ground and not let anyone spawn in the zone... right? |
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| 15:44.09 | MacceG | Jeff, the config is default |
| 15:44.17 | jolie | ^_^ |
| 15:44.19 | trepan | CBG: no |
| 15:44.23 | JeffM2501 | then something in the default config is not right |
| 15:44.29 | JeffM2501 | stuff changes all the time |
| 15:44.41 | CBG | trepan: why not? |
| 15:44.56 | trepan | it don't work that way |
| 15:45.05 | MacceG | the config came with the software |
| 15:45.17 | JeffM2501 | MacceG, so |
| 15:45.20 | JeffM2501 | that dosnt' mean it's right |
| 15:45.45 | MacceG | shouldn't software be stable before it is relased with the name "stable"? |
| 15:45.58 | CBG | MacceG: try the full example config on the net. |
| 15:46.01 | MacceG | very stable software if it doesn't work :) |
| 15:46.12 | CBG | The software does work. |
| 15:46.23 | JeffM2501 | MacceG, the config is just a sample, noone updated it |
| 15:46.29 | CBG | An example file included in the download is wrong... thats all. |
| 15:46.31 | MacceG | ok |
| 15:46.33 | JeffM2501 | please feel free to update it and send in your changes |
| 15:46.37 | MacceG | CBG, url? |
| 15:46.46 | CBG | www.google.com |
| 15:46.47 | JeffM2501 | this is comunity maintained software |
| 15:46.52 | MacceG | hehe |
| 15:47.08 | MacceG | I can't find any sample config on the webpage |
| 15:47.12 | JeffM2501 | there isn't one |
| 15:47.14 | JeffM2501 | read the man page |
| 15:47.21 | JeffM2501 | the config is just a list of command line options |
| 15:47.39 | JeffM2501 | a couple options changed in 2.0, and noone ever updated the sample |
| 15:48.06 | Chestal | well, the sample config works for me, the one in CVS that is |
| 15:48.15 | Chestal | where work = no error on start |
| 15:48.47 | Chestal | MacceG: what operatign system are you using? |
| 15:49.38 | CBG | MacceG: Look what google told me: http://my.bzflag.org/cgi-bin/man/man2html?6+bzfs |
| 15:50.02 | MacceG | Chestal, fc3 |
| 15:50.23 | MacceG | CBG, nice, it didn't tell me |
| 15:50.43 | CBG | Maybe Google does not like you... |
| 15:50.55 | CBG | She can be rather tetchy... You have to ask in the right way... :P |
| 15:51.36 | bryjen_ | iirc the server will not spawn you onto a death physics driver |
| 15:51.45 | CBG | bryjen: really? |
| 15:52.01 | CBG | i will test it! :D |
| 15:54.26 | bryjen_ | not on purpose. perhaps if you've made most of the map deadly, and the random numbers don't find a safe spot quick enough, it times out and may drop you just anywhere |
| 15:54.48 | bryjen_ | defining some zones may help with that |
| 15:55.57 | CBG | well - it works. :D thanks bryjen_ |
| 16:00.04 | jpa_ | bryjen_: it does |
| 16:00.08 | jpa_ | i think.. |
| 16:00.20 | jpa_ | just use zones to limit the area |
| 16:01.08 | jpa_ | hmm.. or maybe it has changed lately |
| 16:01.29 | jpa_ | i had to use zones when 2.0.0 had just come out |
| 16:03.57 | trepan | death phydrvs are definitely avoided |
| 16:04.19 | jpa_ | has it always been like that? |
| 16:04.41 | jpa_ | oh.. wait, i think i had to use the zones with waterlevel.. |
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| 16:07.30 | bryjen | current code adjusts for that too. but there's always the possiblity of spawning right on the edge of an object that you immediatly fall off onto something bad |
| 16:08.02 | trepan | player spawns use the center of the tank for checks |
| 16:08.18 | trepan | as do flag spawns, but not flag drops (iirc) |
| 16:09.25 | bryjen | need to remeber to center your mouse before right clicking, so you don't start driving before you see where you are |
| 16:09.57 | trepan | there's only so much we can do for the dumb |
| 16:10.37 | bryjen | ;) |
| 16:10.58 | trepan | erlang sucks |
| 16:11.07 | trepan | (just had to get that out) |
| 16:11.51 | menotume | c++ gurus: How do I initialize an array of char* in a class? |
| 16:11.51 | menotume | the array can be static const, it is an array of 'labels' |
| 16:12.32 | menotume | example, if i have: static const char *sortLabels[5]; in the header .. |
| 16:13.11 | menotume | how do i init the values without doing sortLables[0]='XXX', etc. in the constructor |
| 16:15.18 | menotume | would be nice to init them right in the header, if possible |
| 16:15.32 | BenUrban | i don't think you can |
| 16:15.34 | BenUrban | not that i' |
| 16:15.36 | BenUrban | d know |
| 16:15.42 | menotume | k, thx |
| 16:16.22 | menotume | in C, it's just char *sortLabels[5] = {"xxx", "yyy", etc}; |
| 16:18.51 | BenUrban | same in c++ |
| 16:18.54 | BenUrban | unless it's inside a class |
| 16:18.55 | BenUrban | hmm |
| 16:19.05 | BenUrban | or maybe i'm mistaken... |
| 16:19.06 | menotume | yes, inside a class |
| 16:19.09 | BenUrban | i guess you could just do char * klass::sortLabels[5] = {"xxx", "yyy", ...}; |
| 16:19.13 | BenUrban | in the .cpp/.c++/.C file |
| 16:19.21 | BenUrban | like i said, i would have no idea :P |
| 16:19.23 | BenUrban | try it |
| 16:19.27 | menotume | will do |
| 16:21.49 | menotume | yay - i think it works - thx BenUrban |
| 16:22.40 | BenUrban | of course in python you would simply do sortLabels = ['xxx', 'yyy', ...] |
| 16:22.43 | BenUrban | :D |
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| 16:25.53 | menotume | kewl, i'll get right to work on converting bzflag client to python |
| 16:26.02 | menotume | think it would perform well ? :D |
| 16:26.20 | BenUrban | it's just a matter of time... |
| 16:26.51 | BenUrban | heh, i can't wait for someone to come up with a working python native compiler |
| 16:27.13 | BenUrban | then the pypy project will have some use :D |
| 16:27.44 | JeffM2501 | menotume, C++ is a superset of C, anything in C works in C++ |
| 16:28.07 | BenUrban | ...except a few things about const |
| 16:28.08 | BenUrban | iirc |
| 16:28.26 | JeffM2501 | yerah some small old things :) |
| 16:28.35 | JeffM2501 | most C++ compilers compile C just fine tho |
| 16:28.53 | JeffM2501 | in VC there is only 1 compiler, the C++ one |
| 16:29.17 | JeffM2501 | makes better code then GCC 4.0 :) |
| 16:31.54 | menotume | JeffM2501: thx, i am a ++ newbie, and it wasn't quite obvious to me for some reason |
| 16:33.35 | JeffM2501 | tho if your doing strings, best to use a std::string |
| 16:33.39 | JeffM2501 | char* messy |
| 16:37.28 | Pimpi | JeffM2501: almost there are some (real few) things that are allowed in C99, but not in C++ |
| 16:37.54 | Pimpi | the compiler might accept them anyway though |
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| 16:44.54 | JeffM2501 | Pimpi, probalby, but I don't think they are general use things |
| 16:45.03 | JeffM2501 | the basics still work fine |
| 16:52.47 | Chestal | C99 breaks a lot of things |
| 16:52.56 | Chestal | but the new C99 features are usually not widely used that |
| 16:52.58 | Chestal | yet |
| 17:04.20 | TheRedBaron | ndim: ping |
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| 17:12.50 | ndim | TheRedBaron: pong. |
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| 17:29.15 | ndim | Are any of the devs interested in a patch which shows players' lag in the HUD score list? |
| 17:29.28 | BearPerson | how? |
| 17:29.34 | JeffM2501 | is it optional? |
| 17:29.53 | Grumbler | lagstats |
| 17:30.12 | BearPerson | sure |
| 17:30.27 | BearPerson | but for the HUD you have to be getting them automagically somewhere |
| 17:30.57 | ndim | I send "/lagstats" to the server manually and parse the server's replies. |
| 17:31.11 | ndim | Well, the parsing is automatical, but the sending is manual. |
| 17:31.30 | Grumbler | you could auto-mate the sending of the command every 1minute or so and then put the info in the HUD |
| 17:31.39 | JeffM2501 | what if someone does a manual /lagstats? |
| 17:31.44 | JeffM2501 | do they see the result? |
| 17:31.49 | JeffM2501 | or is it parsed as well? |
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| 17:32.16 | ndim | JeffM2501: You always see the result. It is just parsed and conserved for posterity in the HUD. |
| 17:32.25 | ndim | I have once tried automatical sending, but that got messed up when I was typing a message to somebody. |
| 17:32.39 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 17:32.50 | JeffM2501 | it woudl be cool if it was automatic |
| 17:33.05 | JeffM2501 | and hidden from the chat area when it's done automaticly |
| 17:33.05 | ndim | And the code in question was non-trivial to understand, so I didn't pursue the matter further. |
| 17:33.10 | Grumbler | so, are we getting closer to a database of HUD data, and the user picks and chooses what and where he/she wants it |
| 17:33.17 | JeffM2501 | well submit the patch to SF |
| 17:33.22 | ndim | With "/lagstats" on Alt-F1 it is almost automatic :) |
| 17:33.23 | JeffM2501 | someone may take it and refine it. |
| 17:33.41 | JeffM2501 | best would be to add a new message that sent the lag info |
| 17:33.44 | JeffM2501 | so it's not a /command |
| 17:33.52 | ndim | Oh, and you have the problem on servers with "spam protection" when you automatically send /lagstats every 30 seconds. |
| 17:34.12 | BearPerson | but it has to be optimized... can't have a bzdb eval in a function called by qsort |
| 17:34.22 | ndim | JeffM2501: I just use the common message shortcut keys. |
| 17:34.23 | JeffM2501 | ndim, that is why it should be a message |
| 17:34.26 | Grumbler | an intelligent dev would put a lower limit on how fast it would auto repeat |
| 17:34.37 | ndim | Grumbler: Doesn't matter. |
| 17:34.40 | JeffM2501 | yeah it dosn't need to do it constantly |
| 17:34.52 | ndim | Grumbler: The spam protection only checks whether you send the same message 3 times in a row. |
| 17:35.02 | Grumbler | a smarter dev, would put it in the server, so the server sets how fast a client can spam its commnad |
| 17:35.31 | JeffM2501 | Grumbler, best would be for the client to send a message saying "I want auto stats" and the server just send them every N seconds |
| 17:35.35 | TheRedBaron | grumbler: you're digging yourself a hole ;-) |
| 17:35.39 | JeffM2501 | with out the client even requesting it |
| 17:35.47 | JeffM2501 | then put a custom message header on it for the parser |
| 17:35.52 | JeffM2501 | then noone will ever see it |
| 17:35.58 | JeffM2501 | and normal lagstats works fine |
| 17:36.12 | JeffM2501 | but then it only works with new servers |
| 17:36.14 | ndim | JeffM2501: in that case, you can transmit the stuff in binary in the first place. |
| 17:36.19 | JeffM2501 | but then at least it works right |
| 17:36.25 | JeffM2501 | ndim, exactly |
| 17:38.07 | JeffM2501 | like I say, submit it, and maybe somone will prefect it |
| 17:38.20 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure the hud code was not simple to do and it's worth reusing |
| 17:38.58 | ndim | the HUD code is trivial. |
| 17:39.16 | ndim | most work is in the parser, and in the storage of the lag value. |
| 17:39.47 | ndim | The HUD code just adds [123] to a player at the same place where a [nr] could be... |
| 17:40.38 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 17:40.51 | JeffM2501 | well still submit it |
| 17:41.04 | ndim | A seperate column would be nice, but what I have, does the job. |
| 17:41.16 | ndim | OK, I'll clean it up some and submit it. |
| 17:41.38 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 17:41.43 | JeffM2501 | allways good to have more code :) |
| 17:41.49 | Grumbler | JeffM2501, yep, thats a better idea |
| 17:42.17 | JeffM2501 | if the client asked for the info in binary format, then it could work as part of the existing servers |
| 17:42.28 | JeffM2501 | since old servers would just ignore it, and the clients would never get any updates |
| 17:42.31 | ndim | JeffM2501: Yupp. And my last patch has found its way into bzflag 2, I'm proud to notice :) |
| 17:42.41 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 17:42.43 | JeffM2501 | what one was it? |
| 17:43.08 | ndim | Radar bullet trail advancing before vs. trailing behind the bullet. |
| 17:43.20 | JeffM2501 | ahh yes |
| 17:43.33 | BearPerson | hmm |
| 17:43.54 | BearPerson | when this gets into CVS, I'll patch up my scoreboard sort patch to allow sort by lag |
| 17:43.54 | TheRedBaron | ~ndim++ |
| 17:44.02 | BearPerson | that'll be soooo sweet |
| 17:44.26 | TheRedBaron | so you gave the option for radar shot line to be lagging or leading? |
| 17:45.39 | ndim | TheRedBaron: I have at least raised the issue when display and actual behaviour got out of sync. |
| 17:46.04 | ndim | That spawned a discussion whether heading or leading lines would be better. |
| 17:47.12 | ndim | IIRC at the time the bullet trailed the line on radar, but the position of the killing bullet was at the trailing end of the line, i.e. at the opposite end from where the bullet was shown. |
| 17:47.31 | ndim | Eh... |
| 17:47.38 | ruskie | confusing |
| 17:47.42 | TheRedBaron | kinda |
| 17:47.49 | ndim | XX-----------() -----> moves this way |
| 17:47.53 | ndim | XX -> where it kills |
| 17:47.55 | ruskie | just show the bullet where it is... |
| 17:48.01 | ruskie | that's all I need... |
| 17:48.03 | ndim | () -> where bullet was shown on radar |
| 17:48.19 | TheRedBaron | I remember with 1.10 the bullet was at the end of the line... with the beta versions of 2.0 being release, they had the bullet at the front of the line |
| 17:48.44 | ruskie | if ppl can't do such simple approximations then a client side hud upgrade might work... |
| 17:48.47 | ndim | TheRedBaron: But it was still the back of the line which killed, IIRC. |
| 17:48.48 | TheRedBaron | thats when some one raised a stink about at least having an option to have the shot line leading, instead of lagging. |
| 17:49.33 | ndim | TheRedBaron: Congruent with my memories so far. |
| 17:49.37 | TheRedBaron | ndim: you are correct, |
| 17:49.44 | TheRedBaron | thats how it was with 1.10. |
| 17:50.40 | ndim | Now let's see what happened to the "hunt observers" bug... :) |
| 17:51.19 | menotume | BearPerson: I am currently working on scoreboard sorting |
| 17:51.46 | ruskie | hmmm duplication of effort? |
| 17:51.47 | Tupone | menotume: have you re-autogen your source tree ? |
| 17:52.25 | menotume | ahhh, there you are |
| 17:52.28 | menotume | yes, last night |
| 17:52.33 | menotume | it works :) |
| 17:52.48 | Tupone | sure you have cleaned you source tree ? |
| 17:52.57 | BearPerson | menotume, I already have |
| 17:53.30 | menotume | ruskie, BearPerson: This has a key to toggle sort between (score, TK RATIO, 1v1 score, callsign and team) |
| 17:53.38 | BearPerson | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1180336&group_id=3248&atid=303248 |
| 17:53.38 | menotume | is almost done :) |
| 17:53.47 | BearPerson | this has a display menu option entry |
| 17:53.50 | BearPerson | :) |
| 17:54.39 | ndim | BTW, the other day I had a neat idea for a new radar mode for observers: Adapt radar zoom, position and rotation such that always all the players (and possibly shots) are visible. |
| 17:54.46 | menotume | oh, and, no bzdb evals :) |
| 17:54.55 | ndim | That would rule for watching matches. |
| 17:55.12 | JeffM2501 | it'd be constantly scaling |
| 17:55.15 | JeffM2501 | it coudl hurt |
| 17:55.16 | menotume | Tupone: yes, make cleab, autogen, etc. |
| 17:58.19 | Tupone | make cleab :) hope it is good. I preferred to make it from scratch |
| 17:58.30 | ndim | make distclean. |
| 17:59.11 | Tupone | angry . Naha. Bored is more appropriate |
| 17:59.33 | JeffM2501 | well we can't have you be bored |
| 18:00.12 | Tupone | :) |
| 18:00.37 | JeffM2501 | I was consolodating all the pack and unpack stuff |
| 18:02.39 | menotume | BearPerson: I didn't see any way to choose the sort option in your patch |
| 18:02.44 | menotume | what am i missing ? |
| 18:02.49 | BearPerson | hmm? is it an old one? |
| 18:03.25 | BearPerson | GUIOptionsMenu |
| 18:03.48 | menotume | ahhh, ok, i see it, sry |
| 18:04.12 | BearPerson | also the actual computation should maybe be moved somewhere else |
| 18:04.21 | menotume | ok, i'll take a better look when i'm done my first pass here |
| 18:04.31 | menotume | your patch won't work anymore :( |
| 18:04.45 | menotume | the scoreboard has been moved to a new class: ScoreboardRenderer |
| 18:05.10 | BearPerson | I see |
| 18:05.19 | ndim | Ah. Running autoreconf... |
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| 18:05.47 | Grumbler | modified....modified.....cheater :) |
| 18:06.01 | menotume | oh, i see, you changed Player.cxx |
| 18:06.20 | menotume | for getsortscore |
| 18:06.47 | JeffM2501 | Grumbler, I was on with a modifyed client last night, was I cheating? |
| 18:07.21 | JeffM2501 | client query even showed it as bzflag 2.9.01 |
| 18:07.22 | JeffM2501 | ;) |
| 18:07.31 | ndim | By that definition all devs are cheaters. :) |
| 18:07.36 | menotume | BearPerson: I am putting the logic in ScoreboardRenderer, it knows the 'sortmode' so no BZDB evals |
| 18:07.58 | JeffM2501 | well Idid make the "kill all people named bob" plugin |
| 18:08.45 | menotume | How about a 'all barons tanks slowly get fatter during a mtch' plugin ? |
| 18:08.57 | JeffM2501 | that's not part of server side |
| 18:09.01 | JeffM2501 | yet ;) |
| 18:09.12 | menotume | okies, i'll do it then ;) |
| 18:09.27 | JeffM2501 | you can't scale isn't sent over the wire |
| 18:09.29 | JeffM2501 | just "Fat" |
| 18:09.33 | ndim | And I've wanted to fire just one guided missile on ducati for so long... just for the fun of it :) |
| 18:09.33 | JeffM2501 | sadly |
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| 18:10.07 | JeffM2501 | once I replace the tank drawing the scale can be sent over the line |
| 18:10.10 | TheRedBaron | i don't like the sounds of this... |
| 18:10.13 | JeffM2501 | and any scale factor can be done |
| 18:10.20 | JeffM2501 | then a fatboy mod can be done as a plugin |
| 18:10.38 | ndim | TheRedBaron: What? :) |
| 18:10.49 | JeffM2501 | fatboy is really fun |
| 18:11.07 | bunny | hehe he is |
| 18:11.15 | BearPerson | erm |
| 18:11.57 | ndim | . . . o O (waiting for g++) O o . . . |
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| 18:12.55 | Tupone | jolie >:-) |
| 18:13.38 | jolie | hahah i read fatboyslim |
| 18:13.39 | jolie | hahahaha nm. |
| 18:13.51 | JeffM2501 | he is also fun |
| 18:14.04 | jolie | yeah i just got some pretty good mail .. |
| 18:14.05 | jolie | brb |
| 18:15.20 | JeffM2501 | are there any free automated code formating tools? |
| 18:15.36 | ruskie | I think a couple of dozen |
| 18:15.47 | JeffM2501 | got links to any good ones? |
| 18:15.57 | JeffM2501 | google shows me many pay ones |
| 18:16.05 | ruskie | JeffM2501, try www.freshmeat.net |
| 18:16.11 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 18:16.12 | JeffM2501 | thanks |
| 18:16.25 | ruskie | that's where I find tons of software for my needs |
| 18:18.12 | jpa_ | code formatting? |
| 18:18.29 | jpa_ | is it like indentation or like for printing etc.? |
| 18:18.31 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 18:18.37 | JeffM2501 | indentation |
| 18:18.40 | JeffM2501 | use of {} |
| 18:18.42 | JeffM2501 | stuff like that |
| 18:18.44 | jpa_ | gnu indent maybe :) |
| 18:19.06 | Tupone | JeffM2501: use emacs :) |
| 18:19.14 | jpa_ | while, it is mostly for C |
| 18:19.20 | jpa_ | (and ++) |
| 18:19.40 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, I want to batch convert files to match a common standard |
| 18:19.52 | JeffM2501 | found a tool on win that does it, and does it well, but it's pay |
| 18:20.05 | jpa_ | emacs can do batch too |
| 18:20.15 | Tupone | emacs indent is a load-file, select-all, indent region, save |
| 18:20.21 | jpa_ | ask brlcad, all i know about these is from him :) |
| 18:21.19 | ndim | jpa_: indent |
| 18:21.44 | jpa_ | how did i say wrong? |
| 18:22.06 | ndim | jpa_: errr... tab completion confusion :) |
| 18:22.16 | ndim | JeffM2501: GNU indent does the job. |
| 18:22.18 | jpa_ | 21:18:45 < jpa_> gnu indent maybe :) |
| 18:22.33 | jpa_ | slooow! ,) |
| 18:22.46 | ndim | JeffM2501: You'll want to test the settings first, though, and mark areas which indent should not touch. |
| 18:23.01 | JeffM2501 | this one worked well |
| 18:23.02 | JeffM2501 | http://download.lockergnome.com/download/102633 |
| 18:23.05 | JeffM2501 | had lots of smarts in it |
| 18:23.09 | JeffM2501 | knew what comments and such were |
| 18:23.12 | JeffM2501 | but it was pay |
| 18:23.33 | ndim | JeffM2501: GNU indent is the standard tool for that job. |
| 18:23.49 | JeffM2501 | ndim, windows version? |
| 18:23.52 | jpa_ | gnu indent is smart for C |
| 18:23.53 | ndim | JeffM2501: cygwin. |
| 18:23.59 | JeffM2501 | hell no |
| 18:24.05 | jpa_ | i think it might compile natively |
| 18:24.06 | ndim | JeffM2501: A developer can't live without cygwin on Windows anyway. |
| 18:24.12 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 18:24.13 | JeffM2501 | yes we can |
| 18:24.21 | JeffM2501 | what woudl I need cygwin for? |
| 18:24.27 | ndim | You always need a real shell, grep, awk, perl, and stuff. |
| 18:24.32 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 18:24.35 | jpa_ | http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/indent.htm |
| 18:24.45 | JeffM2501 | alt shift F3 == grep :) |
| 18:24.49 | JeffM2501 | dono what awk is |
| 18:24.54 | JeffM2501 | VC7.1 has a shell |
| 18:24.58 | JeffM2501 | perl is a joke |
| 18:25.04 | JeffM2501 | what "stuff" ? |
| 18:25.30 | JeffM2501 | ooooo this product does flowcharts on code too |
| 18:25.50 | ndim | JeffM2501: The "stuff" the creators of your binary-only software didn't have in mind, and which you have to and can do yourself with a 20 line perl script. |
| 18:26.05 | JeffM2501 | ahh vba |
| 18:26.07 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 18:26.12 | JeffM2501 | I have that |
| 18:26.30 | jpa_ | actually, developing on windows isn't that bad |
| 18:26.46 | JeffM2501 | ndim, your way is not the only way :) |
| 18:26.51 | ndim | "stuff" your USD 500,000 development environment is buggy in so you need a small workaround... |
| 18:27.01 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 18:27.05 | JeffM2501 | 65$ |
| 18:27.10 | jpa_ | only thing i hate is the difficultness of using cvs in windows |
| 18:27.17 | JeffM2501 | jpa_, tortice |
| 18:27.20 | ndim | JeffM2501: I have seen cases where that has happened. |
| 18:27.28 | JeffM2501 | ndim, HAVE YOU EVER USED IT? |
| 18:27.32 | ndim | JeffM2501: What? |
| 18:27.35 | ndim | Windows? |
| 18:27.35 | JeffM2501 | windows |
| 18:27.37 | ndim | Yes. |
| 18:27.38 | JeffM2501 | for developing |
| 18:27.41 | ndim | Yes. |
| 18:27.47 | JeffM2501 | with visual studio 7.1? |
| 18:27.57 | JeffM2501 | and it's associated free tools? |
| 18:28.07 | bryjen | JeffM2501: http://freshmeat.net/projects/astyle/ |
| 18:28.08 | JeffM2501 | or did you try to make it unix like and got ftrustrated with it? |
| 18:28.11 | ndim | Nope, with really expensive VHDL chip design stuff. |
| 18:28.24 | JeffM2501 | well that stuff I can not commoent on |
| 18:28.31 | JeffM2501 | I'm just doing regular old C++ |
| 18:28.43 | JeffM2501 | so I don't need no cygwin |
| 18:28.50 | JeffM2501 | thanks bryjen |
| 18:29.17 | bryjen | or http://freshmeat.net/projects/trita/ |
| 18:30.04 | bryjen | whoops, no C on that one |
| 18:30.13 | jpa_ | but when developing under windows, i have to stop doing anything else |
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| 18:30.29 | jpa_ | i can't use windows for "just using" :) |
| 18:30.50 | JeffM2501 | not everyone can |
| 18:31.08 | jpa_ | (good for the project deadline) |
| 18:31.22 | ndim | JeffM2501: *giggle* the screenshot of SourceFormatX reminds me of a small program I've written back in my Turbo Pascal days. It took an arbitrary *.pas file and removed all whitespace, formatting and comments such that it still compiled. Just in reverse :) |
| 18:31.48 | JeffM2501 | ndim, yes I would belive it's a common task people wish automated |
| 18:32.00 | jpa_ | "compressed sourcecode" |
| 18:32.09 | JeffM2501 | obfuscation :) |
| 18:32.25 | Grumbler | ~snooglers |
| 18:34.19 | ndim | *bruhahahah* someone stole the function I have patched. |
| 18:34.28 | JeffM2501 | stole? |
| 18:36.16 | JeffM2501 | jpa_, do you need a good cvs client on windows? |
| 18:36.29 | JeffM2501 | it takes cvs in a totaly difrent direction |
| 18:36.43 | jpa_ | JeffM2501: no, not anymore |
| 18:36.56 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 18:37.02 | JeffM2501 | what are you using now? |
| 18:37.07 | jpa_ | not doing windows developement now, (you could mention the name anyway) |
| 18:37.14 | JeffM2501 | http://www.tortoisecvs.org/ |
| 18:37.19 | JeffM2501 | best cvs client in the world |
| 18:37.27 | jpa_ | okay, shall remember :) |
| 18:37.33 | JeffM2501 | wish it existed for OSX and X windows |
| 18:38.31 | JeffM2501 | makes sense to use the existing OS's file browser to manage CVS files too, since it allready works |
| 18:38.47 | ndim | CVS must die. |
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| 18:39.11 | JeffM2501 | there is a subversion version of tortoise too :) |
| 18:39.12 | Tupone | best cvs client in the world ? ... that is too globalizing |
| 18:39.14 | purple_cow | must it? |
| 18:39.26 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, it may be, but it's true :) |
| 18:39.43 | JeffM2501 | in my world at least |
| 18:39.46 | trepan | CLI cvs is just fine for some of us, none of that clicky-clicky crap |
| 18:39.56 | JeffM2501 | clickkkkkky........ |
| 18:40.04 | Tupone | and tkcvs for x-windows |
| 18:40.14 | JeffM2501 | tkcvs? |
| 18:40.21 | jpa_ | JeffM2501: i think kde does that.. (cvs in filemanager) |
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| 18:40.52 | Tupone | even emacs is good as a cvs client |
| 18:41.12 | JeffM2501 | jpa_, I hadn't noticed it before, but I will look for it |
| 18:41.20 | jpa_ | i |
| 18:41.20 | JeffM2501 | it makes a lot of sense to do it there |
| 18:41.25 | jpa_ | i'm not sure, anyway |
| 18:41.29 | JeffM2501 | well I'll look |
| 18:41.37 | JeffM2501 | maybe there is a knoq plugin or something |
| 18:41.50 | jpa_ | sftp in filemanager & in kate is *nice* when making www-pages |
| 18:42.41 | JeffM2501 | I have an app on windows that makes ftp servers show as normal network volumes, and then I can use them as regular OS dirs |
| 18:42.45 | JeffM2501 | it's kinda nice |
| 18:43.00 | JeffM2501 | then dreamweaver can save right to em |
| 18:43.05 | jpa_ | i think windows does that without any app too i think |
| 18:43.11 | jpa_ | but not for sftp :,( |
| 18:43.19 | meacan | there is also a userspace "filesystem" so you can mount eg. ftp as a normal drive. Worked nicely. |
| 18:43.22 | JeffM2501 | yeah in XP it does |
| 18:43.40 | JeffM2501 | the tool I have does ssh, sftp, and all that I think |
| 18:43.49 | jpa_ | evil |
| 18:44.04 | JeffM2501 | tho I've taken to just using the ssh client that looks like wsftp |
| 18:44.09 | JeffM2501 | since it does shell too |
| 18:47.11 | ndim | Hmm... source and patch look good. But I think I'll still test it before submitting the patch :) |
| 18:48.25 | ndim | Hmm. Why can't bzflag use ${datadir}/bzflag as default for -directory ? |
| 18:49.27 | jpa_ | uh? |
| 18:49.42 | jpa_ | because, when installed, it is not that |
| 18:49.58 | jpa_ | (what is the $datadir?) |
| 18:51.43 | *** part/#bzflag TheRedBaron (~TheRedBar@216-173-166-82.electronet.net) |
| 18:52.28 | ndim | jpa_: e.g. /usr/share |
| 18:53.09 | jpa_ | uh, doesn't it? |
| 18:53.18 | ndim | I have just configured bzflag with "../configure --prefix=$HOME/root/bzflag-2-lag" and installed it via "make install". |
| 18:54.01 | ndim | But running $HOME/root/bzflag-2-lag/bin/bzflag now insists on me adding "-directory $HOME/root/bzflag-2-lag/share/bzflag" to the command line. |
| 18:56.53 | *** join/#bzflag CBG (~Matthew@cpc3-stme1-5-0-cust91.cdif.cable.ntl.com) |
| 18:58.44 | _Manu_ | ndim, you don't need to install it, just copy the bzflag binary executable and the data dir to the place you want.. then execute ./bzflag in the directory you did the copy |
| 19:02.38 | BearPerson | actually, after the first start it should put the new directory in the config file |
| 19:05.56 | Grumbler | macromedia does sftp |
| 19:06.47 | ndim | Lag display patch available here: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1217728&group_id=3248&atid=303248 |
| 19:16.33 | ndim | _Manu_: Too complicated :) |
| 19:17.42 | ndim | BTW; what is the "radar shot size" setting supposed to change? |
| 19:17.48 | ndim | I can't see any difference here. |
| 19:18.51 | blast007 | it changes the size of the dots that represents bullets on the radar |
| 19:19.54 | ndim | Good. |
| 19:20.07 | ndim | I don't see any dots. In any size. |
| 19:20.23 | ndim | blast007: Thanks, that confirms my suspicion. |
| 19:21.32 | ndim | Then I don't need to feel like a cheater when I draw a properly scaled little square or circle in the place of the "dot". |
| 19:21.46 | BenUrban | wha? |
| 19:22.12 | ndim | Must be my OpenGL implementation. |
| 19:22.20 | BenUrban | ah, 'tis possible |
| 19:22.33 | _Manu_ | ndim, too compicated! lol ;) |
| 19:22.58 | BenUrban | but i can't imagine a gl implementation that ignores a request to draw something |
| 19:23.04 | *** join/#bzflag bz4325 (~3d1e964a@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 19:23.18 | BenUrban | if not a circle, it should draw a square |
| 19:23.21 | ndim | _Manu_: Exactly. "make install" is thirteen keystrokes. Copying stuff from here to there manually is much too error prone. |
| 19:23.22 | BenUrban | at a bare minimum |
| 19:23.51 | *** join/#bzflag bz6018 (~ca53af9c@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 19:23.57 | _Manu_ | ndim, sure lol |
| 19:24.27 | bz6018 | hi |
| 19:24.42 | bz6018 | do you know who i am? |
| 19:24.44 | ndim | BenUrban: It is a relatively old XFree86 implementation (Debian Sarge), so it may be buggy. |
| 19:24.49 | BenUrban | oh |
| 19:24.50 | BenUrban | lol |
| 19:24.50 | ndim | bz6018: you are bz6018. |
| 19:25.01 | bz6018 | good |
| 19:25.03 | BenUrban | you are using the webchat |
| 19:25.08 | bz6018 | am i lucky |
| 19:25.11 | BenUrban | therefore we can't know who you are |
| 19:25.17 | BenUrban | without more info |
| 19:25.23 | bz6018 | wow |
| 19:25.25 | _Manu_ | bz6018, hi! |
| 19:25.33 | bz6018 | i give you a tip |
| 19:25.44 | ndim | $2? |
| 19:25.45 | bz6018 | this is not my real ip |
| 19:25.46 | bz6018 | this is not my real ip |
| 19:26.01 | BenUrban | "--> bz6018 (~ca53af9c@webchat.bzflag.bz) has joined #BZFlag" |
| 19:26.09 | BenUrban | doesn't tell much... |
| 19:26.24 | jpa_ | tells the ip... |
| 19:26.31 | BenUrban | oh the webchat server |
| 19:26.33 | _Manu_ | ndim, really execute cp ..... two times is very difficult ;) |
| 19:26.34 | BenUrban | *of |
| 19:26.37 | bz6018 | what |
| 19:26.44 | BenUrban | but not of the person sing it |
| 19:26.46 | BenUrban | *sing |
| 19:26.50 | BenUrban | *using |
| 19:26.51 | bz6018 | i use an anonnyminizer |
| 19:26.53 | BenUrban | damn broken u key |
| 19:27.11 | BenUrban | cgi::irc == anonymizer |
| 19:27.16 | ndim | _Manu_: It is. I'd have to remember what goes where, and type that without errors. It is possible, but more tedious and error prone. |
| 19:27.18 | bryjen | ~spell anonnyminizer |
| 19:27.26 | BenUrban | hehe |
| 19:27.36 | bz6018 | but, mine is the best |
| 19:27.43 | bz6018 | you cannot know who i am |
| 19:27.45 | BenUrban | you seem to be a troll |
| 19:27.51 | CBG | spammer too |
| 19:27.51 | Grumbler | 202.83.175.156 |
| 19:27.54 | CBG | time waster too |
| 19:27.57 | _Manu_ | ndim, well may be for you.. |
| 19:28.12 | jpa_ | bz6018: you can still be banned :E |
| 19:28.16 | bz6018 | yes, i do not tell my real ip |
| 19:28.18 | CBG | the IP /whois says is 69.28.129.166 |
| 19:28.23 | _Manu_ | ndim, but remember to add your local .../bin to your path too |
| 19:28.33 | jpa_ | CBG: bah, webchat |
| 19:28.41 | bz6018 | oh wait |
| 19:28.45 | CBG | jpa_: Ok... :) |
| 19:28.45 | ndim | 202.83.175.156 ? |
| 19:28.49 | jpa_ | Grumbler: bah, he is through anonymizer, try hostx |
| 19:28.54 | bz6018 | my ip changes every second |
| 19:28.58 | ndim | lol |
| 19:29.02 | ndim | sure. |
| 19:29.05 | Grumbler | so |
| 19:29.07 | jpa_ | aha, and how does your connection keep on? |
| 19:29.09 | bz6018 | every second |
| 19:29.16 | bryjen | no, it cannot, or all your connections would close everysecond |
| 19:29.23 | jpa_ | tcp/ip can't handle ip changes :) |
| 19:29.24 | purple_cow | it's quite possible to ban cgi::irc |
| 19:29.25 | CBG | dum-dum. :P |
| 19:29.37 | bryjen | purple_cow: gopher it |
| 19:29.46 | Grumbler | purple_cow, you havent used your powers in a while, they must be getting rusty |
| 19:29.47 | bz6018 | no |
| 19:29.48 | jpa_ | purple_cow: and also just that anonymizer service ip |
| 19:29.55 | purple_cow | Grumbler: i use them all the time |
| 19:30.17 | bz6018 | my tarn ip changes every second |
| 19:30.29 | ndim | tarn? |
| 19:30.31 | CBG | whatever... |
| 19:30.34 | BenUrban | then you have no trouble telling us your current ip |
| 19:30.38 | CBG | just shuddup already |
| 19:30.40 | BenUrban | truthfully |
| 19:30.42 | purple_cow | bz6018: word of wisdom: don't talk about networking things if you don't understand them |
| 19:30.49 | ndim | Hehe. |
| 19:30.54 | bz6018 | host is not useful |
| 19:31.06 | bz6018 | i understand |
| 19:31.08 | ndim | /ignore bz6018 |
| 19:31.11 | ndim | eh. |
| 19:31.17 | *** join/#bzflag tavla (~spreker@ip51cfa1ef.direct-adsl.nl) |
| 19:31.26 | jpa_ | purple_cow: you could aswell ban the ~ca53af9c@webchat.bzflag.bz, wouldn't hurt anyone except trolls |
| 19:31.54 | BenUrban | where does it get the ca53af9c? |
| 19:32.07 | bryjen | BenUrban: its the client's ip in hex |
| 19:32.11 | BenUrban | ah |
| 19:32.19 | BenUrban | heh |
| 19:32.19 | jpa_ | and the client is some web anonymizer service |
| 19:32.36 | jpa_ | ntc.net.pk |
| 19:32.44 | BenUrban | pk? |
| 19:32.56 | ndim | Well, .pk? Have you seriously expected something reasonable from there? |
| 19:32.57 | Tupone | except if we get some kind of problem ... I'd allow anonymized |
| 19:33.01 | ndim | Pakistan. |
| 19:33.04 | BenUrban | ah |
| 19:33.06 | BenUrban | lol |
| 19:33.14 | CBG | hehe |
| 19:33.46 | Grumbler | hey, its osama....long time no see....getting bored in those caves i see |
| 19:34.05 | jpa_ | he's not in pakistan anymore |
| 19:34.08 | ndim | .pk is like .cn: You get heaps of crap from there for years, with one or two useful messages hidden somewhere between. |
| 19:34.11 | jpa_ | he lives under my bed now |
| 19:34.18 | BenUrban | lol |
| 19:34.23 | BenUrban | hmm |
| 19:34.26 | bz6018 | no |
| 19:34.26 | BenUrban | .cn is china, right? |
| 19:34.42 | jpa_ | ~tld cn |
| 19:34.43 | ndim | communist china. |
| 19:35.02 | jpa_ | ibot: u suck |
| 19:35.04 | ibot | hey, i'm on lunchbreak, screw off |
| 19:35.08 | BenUrban | lmao |
| 19:35.11 | ndim | ROTFL |
| 19:35.31 | BenUrban | ~blinky itself |
| 19:35.32 | ibot | ACTION slaps itself on the head with a three-eyed fish named Blinky |
| 19:35.55 | ndim | ~blinky ibot |
| 19:35.56 | ibot | ACTION slaps ibot on the head with a three-eyed fish named Blinky |
| 19:36.03 | bz6018 | bye |
| 19:36.12 | BenUrban | ~whaleslap osama |
| 19:36.13 | ibot | ACTION slaps osama upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 19:36.14 | jpa_ | bz6018: will you marry me? |
| 19:36.15 | ndim | ibot: lunchbreak, my ass. |
| 19:36.17 | jpa_ | :/ |
| 19:36.19 | BenUrban | lmao |
| 19:36.46 | BenUrban | *irc |
| 19:37.04 | *** join/#bzflag BIYA (~chatzilla@dialup-4.129.82.66.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) |
| 19:37.13 | ruskie | BenUrban, lol |
| 19:37.22 | jpa_ | .. for some reason, when i read that, i thought irc was a nationality and i was ircish :) |
| 19:37.30 | BenUrban | heh |
| 19:37.36 | BenUrban | we all are :) |
| 19:37.42 | ndim | irc... wasn't that spelled iraq? |
| 19:37.47 | BenUrban | most of us are immigrants though |
| 19:38.04 | BenUrban | only the bots are natives |
| 19:38.46 | jpa_ | people don't breed over internet? :S |
| 19:38.54 | BenUrban | lol |
| 19:38.56 | BenUrban | most don't |
| 19:38.59 | jpa_ | i think i'll never have children :( |
| 19:39.03 | BenUrban | LMAO |
| 19:39.05 | BenUrban | join the club |
| 19:39.19 | CBG | The kiddies will be cute |
| 19:39.24 | CBG | untill you go home after the birth |
| 19:39.34 | BenUrban | hmm? |
| 19:39.38 | CBG | and you have to clean up their excretion... |
| 19:39.41 | BenUrban | LMFAO |
| 19:39.51 | CBG | its all downhill from the birth man. :D |
| 19:39.57 | jpa_ | uh.. they don't work like in the sims? |
| 19:40.02 | BenUrban | LMFAO |
| 19:40.03 | CBG | no way |
| 19:40.27 | ndim | Caring for kids is quite nice if you only do it on a grandparent/uncle base, i.e. only a few hours when they are in a good mood. |
| 19:40.27 | CBG | man, the kiddies in sims are babies for like 2 days... |
| 19:41.09 | bryjen | your ircish appears to be a dialect of AOLish |
| 19:41.15 | CBG | hehe |
| 19:41.21 | BenUrban | ~slap bryjen |
| 19:41.22 | ibot | ACTION slaps bryjen, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 19:41.30 | BenUrban | lol |
| 19:41.32 | BenUrban | not what i meant |
| 19:41.36 | BenUrban | ~fish bryjen |
| 19:41.37 | ibot | ACTION slaps bryjen around with a large trout |
| 19:41.40 | BenUrban | better |
| 19:41.41 | BenUrban | :P |
| 19:41.52 | bryjen | !lart BenUrban |
| 19:43.33 | Grumbler | right now there is a large population of people that are breathing a sigh of relief knowing that so many of you are not going to reproduce. :) |
| 19:43.40 | BenUrban | lmfao |
| 19:43.42 | BenUrban | indeed |
| 19:43.50 | CBG | * Ever stop to think, and forget to start again? |
| 19:43.50 | CBG | * There's no future in time travel. |
| 19:43.50 | CBG | * Error: Keyboard not attached. Press F1 to continue. |
| 19:44.02 | BenUrban | heh |
| 19:44.12 | CBG | Man, check out silverfox's page: http://www.df.lth.se/~lft/tags/cookies.text |
| 19:44.52 | CBG | Windows 95: 32 bit extension and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition. :D hehe |
| 19:45.06 | *** join/#bzflag Rusure (~1815d19e@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 19:45.43 | blast007 | CBG: hehe, I like that one ;) |
| 19:46.01 | BenUrban | lmao |
| 19:46.03 | CBG | here is another MS one: "Microsoft supports industry standards the same way a rope supports a hanged man." lol |
| 19:46.08 | BenUrban | LMAO |
| 19:46.12 | DTRemenak | haha |
| 19:46.23 | DTRemenak | haven't heard that one before. must remember. |
| 19:46.36 | CBG | Like I said guys, these are all on Silverfox's page : http://www.df.lth.se/~lft/tags/cookies.text |
| 19:47.19 | Rusure | hi |
| 19:47.22 | BenUrban | hey! no fair! i already have that one written down! |
| 19:47.25 | BenUrban | heh |
| 19:47.49 | blast007 | "We are Pentium of Borg. Division is futile. You will be |
| 19:47.49 | blast007 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:47.55 | blast007 | er...line break :P |
| 19:47.58 | Rusure | dtr do u have skype?? |
| 19:48.07 | DTRemenak | not on this machine |
| 19:48.24 | CBG | Microsoft Windows: Computing While U Wait. :D |
| 19:48.57 | Rusure | i want to run a server biya says u can help |
| 19:48.59 | CBG | Dont kille me... These are not my words: "I have yet to meet a C compiler that is more friendly and easier to use than eating soup with a knife." |
| 19:49.09 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/autogen.sh: Use autoreconf |
| 19:49.30 | jpa_ | ~kill CBG |
| 19:49.32 | ibot | ACTION shoots a ionized electron gun at CBG |
| 19:49.48 | CBG | I said DONT kill me... sigh. |
| 19:49.48 | BIYA | ~frag jpa_ |
| 19:49.49 | ibot | ACTION readies the nuke launcher and fires some rounds at jpa_ |
| 19:49.55 | DTRemenak | I probably can. do /msg DTRemenak hello so we don't clutter up the channel. |
| 19:49.56 | ruskie | nice |
| 19:50.15 | jpa_ | BIYA: stop killing me! |
| 19:50.21 | BIYA | ~frag jpa_ |
| 19:50.22 | ibot | ACTION readies the nuke launcher and fires some rounds at jpa_ |
| 19:50.25 | DTRemenak | as if these folks aren't being cluttered enough ;) |
| 19:50.33 | CBG | ~bzfrag jpa_ |
| 19:50.34 | ibot | ACTION blindsides jpa_ with an invisible bullet |
| 19:50.38 | CBG | lol |
| 19:50.39 | BIYA | yeah I better stop |
| 19:50.44 | *** join/#bzflag brad2901 (brad2901@ACC8BEAF.ipt.aol.com) |
| 19:50.49 | CBG | eugh. |
| 19:50.53 | jpa_ | braaaaaaaad <3 |
| 19:50.58 | jpa_ | brad2901: will you marry me? |
| 19:51.08 | CBG | :O |
| 19:51.20 | JeffM2501 | don'tca wish it had a /clear that worked for everyone DTRemenak? |
| 19:51.22 | CBG | isnt jpa a 14 yr old boy? hehe :P |
| 19:51.29 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 19:51.39 | menotume | learner: HELP !!!! |
| 19:51.46 | brad2901 | jpa- <3 |
| 19:51.47 | BIYA | buh |
| 19:51.48 | brad2901 | Umm.. |
| 19:51.50 | brad2901 | I'm a bit too young to marry :) |
| 19:51.52 | brad2901 | 16 I think |
| 19:51.55 | jpa_ | CBG: 16, mind you :) |
| 19:52.12 | JeffM2501 | welll +r would do it for some |
| 19:52.16 | JeffM2501 | +v for others :) |
| 19:52.21 | BIYA | 16 year old boy wanting to marry brad |
| 19:52.34 | CBG | so a 16 yr old guy asks a 15) yr old guy to marry him..? |
| 19:52.38 | BIYA | lol |
| 19:52.46 | Rusure | conntact me on skype im rusure420 |
| 19:52.53 | BIYA | Thats illegal in my state |
| 19:53.30 | BIYA | or just do a search for people names Rusure thats how I found it :) |
| 19:53.52 | Rusure | nyea |
| 19:54.03 | jpa_ | ~n |
| 19:54.04 | ibot | from memory, n is the disease bzflag players get when they play too much |
| 19:54.14 | CBG | eh? |
| 19:54.29 | BIYA | I have had that I dont know how many times but it sucks |
| 19:54.42 | CBG | oh right. lol |
| 19:54.54 | BIYA | nhello? |
| 19:54.56 | BIYA | :) |
| 19:55.01 | CBG | * Growing old is inevitable; growing up is optional. |
| 19:55.31 | BIYA | true |
| 20:20.01 | JeffM2501 | hmm, 6.8 feet. is that tall enoguh for a real world tank? |
| 20:20.29 | BenUrban | with or without a flag? :P |
| 20:20.57 | JeffM2501 | no flag |
| 20:21.21 | JeffM2501 | how tall is a hummer? |
| 20:21.28 | BenUrban | no clue |
| 20:22.42 | JeffM2501 | 9 ft wide, 26.3 feet long, 6.8 feet high |
| 20:22.45 | JeffM2501 | that seems small |
| 20:22.48 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, ping |
| 20:25.13 | JeffM2501 | while a M1A1 abrams MBT is 12ft wide, 32ft long and 7.75ft high |
| 20:28.49 | JeffM2501 | so that means to scale currently a person would be 1.524 units tall |
| 20:28.51 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 20:29.11 | JeffM2501 | it may be time to scale old maps up by 1.2 times :) |
| 20:29.17 | BenUrban | lmao |
| 20:29.33 | JeffM2501 | then 1 unit would be closer to a meter |
| 20:29.46 | BenUrban | hmm |
| 20:29.49 | BenUrban | would a yard work better? |
| 20:29.56 | JeffM2501 | not really |
| 20:30.04 | JeffM2501 | right now it's arbitarary |
| 20:30.12 | jpa_ | maybe 1 unit == 3 feet? :) |
| 20:30.20 | BenUrban | like i said, a yard |
| 20:30.38 | jpa_ | hmm.. is it same as a yard |
| 20:30.41 | jpa_ | ok.. :) |
| 20:31.00 | JeffM2501 | a yard and a meter are very close |
| 20:31.07 | BenUrban | heh |
| 20:31.09 | BenUrban | join the club |
| 20:31.17 | JeffM2501 | it's just the wrong scale |
| 20:31.28 | JeffM2501 | the tank is only 2.04 units tall |
| 20:31.41 | jpa_ | "ircish people that hate imperial units and will never breed"? |
| 20:31.44 | JeffM2501 | you'd have to make the unit BIGER |
| 20:32.30 | jpa_ | yard would do it wouldn't it? |
| 20:32.40 | JeffM2501 | yard is smaller then a meter |
| 20:32.49 | jpa_ | ehm true |
| 20:33.02 | jpa_ | something is wrong in my head |
| 20:33.10 | JeffM2501 | yard is 0.9144 meters |
| 20:33.15 | jpa_ | maybe 4 feet then? :) |
| 20:33.23 | BenUrban | lmao |
| 20:33.28 | JeffM2501 | depends on how "big" a bz tank is suposed to be |
| 20:33.40 | JeffM2501 | is it of a similar size to a normal main battle tank? |
| 20:33.41 | jpa_ | they're small and cute |
| 20:33.42 | BenUrban | why do we care? |
| 20:33.45 | BenUrban | LMAO |
| 20:33.50 | purple_cow | obviously we should measure everything in root-hectares |
| 20:33.57 | BenUrban | indeed |
| 20:34.00 | JeffM2501 | FURLONGS! |
| 20:34.22 | JeffM2501 | BenUrban, because one is to put other scaled real world objects near it, one needs to know how big to make them :) |
| 20:34.43 | BenUrban | so tell the mapmakers the real-world scale |
| 20:34.45 | jpa_ | why not in jpards.. the distance between my left ear and the middle toe of the left foot |
| 20:34.48 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, how big do you think a bz tank would be in real world units? Main Battle tank sized? |
| 20:34.51 | Grumbler | i think the size of the unit came from the length of brlcad 's foot |
| 20:35.04 | BenUrban | you people are insane |
| 20:35.19 | JeffM2501 | I think the unit came from whatever the dude who made the tank model modeled with |
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| 20:36.07 | Grumbler | so its all your fault :) |
| 20:36.49 | BenUrban | hmph, would distcc do any good with two distcc-enabled macs on my lan? |
| 20:47.22 | bryjen | distcc is nice |
| 20:50.13 | bryjen | perhaps bz units are inches and they're matchbox tanks ;) |
| 20:51.06 | BenUrban | lmao |
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| 20:54.10 | Grumbler | remote control matchbox tanks |
| 20:54.19 | BenUrban | lmao |
| 20:54.30 | BenUrban | makes way too much sense |
| 21:01.06 | JeffM2501 | then how do I put people in the world? |
| 21:01.22 | Grumbler | make them elves |
| 21:01.27 | BenUrban | lmao |
| 21:01.30 | Grumbler | with pointy hats |
| 21:01.31 | JeffM2501 | elves with guns |
| 21:01.34 | BenUrban | two-inch elves |
| 21:01.37 | CBG | why not gnomes? or pixies? |
| 21:01.39 | BenUrban | with guns and pointy hats |
| 21:01.46 | Grumbler | or hookers |
| 21:01.57 | JeffM2501 | somehow I don't think that would fly |
| 21:02.03 | BenUrban | LMAO |
| 21:02.04 | CBG | you mean hookers with guns, or elves with hookers? |
| 21:02.12 | BenUrban | too much junk in the trunk? |
| 21:02.16 | BenUrban | LMFAO |
| 21:02.22 | *** part/#bzflag jolie (~alex@jolie.active.supporter.pdpc) |
| 21:02.32 | BenUrban | heh, we've offended jolie |
| 21:02.53 | CBG | Yes. |
| 21:03.13 | CBG | She didn't leave hug-bunny |
| 21:04.18 | *** join/#bzflag jolie (~alex@jolie.active.supporter.pdpc) |
| 21:04.20 | jolie | hmmm |
| 21:04.35 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o jolie] by JeffM2501 |
| 21:04.39 | bryjen | JeffM2501: the people would just be 30+ bz units tall ;0 |
| 21:04.44 | jolie | ^_^ |
| 21:04.47 | BenUrban | LMAO |
| 21:05.02 | BearPerson | I'd make them approximately a tank high |
| 21:05.43 | bryjen | ewwwww |
| 21:05.52 | BenUrban | you asked for it :P |
| 21:06.02 | bryjen | no, no I did not. |
| 21:06.12 | bryjen | _ever_ |
| 21:06.17 | BenUrban | heh |
| 21:07.07 | jolie | brad2901: ??? |
| 21:07.17 | brad2901 | jolie? |
| 21:07.30 | jolie | dude the joinin and leaving... |
| 21:07.36 | jolie | what was that for? |
| 21:07.43 | menotume | yay, scoreboard sorting works |
| 21:07.43 | BearPerson | confusion |
| 21:08.06 | brad2901 | Just seeing who's in there.. |
| 21:08.06 | jolie | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:08.07 | jolie | does it |
| 21:08.09 | BearPerson | except for +i's |
| 21:08.13 | jolie | shhh |
| 21:08.19 | BenUrban | heh |
| 21:08.32 | jolie | whats with respect for invisibilitie! |
| 21:08.58 | jolie | do you have invisibilitie in bz? |
| 21:09.00 | jolie | heh |
| 21:09.07 | JeffM2501 | bryjen, don't tempt me :) |
| 21:09.26 | Tupone | jolie, jolie |
| 21:10.15 | JeffM2501 | you get cloack |
| 21:10.19 | JeffM2501 | that makes you invisible |
| 21:11.02 | Grumbler | why are you spending so much time on people......chickens should be next, and the larger the better... |
| 21:11.12 | brad2901 | err.. |
| 21:11.23 | JeffM2501 | Grumbler, still need sizes for the chickens |
| 21:11.30 | jolie | so brad2901 whats with the curiosity? |
| 21:12.09 | brad2901 | jolie, just wanted to see who was there :) |
| 21:12.11 | Grumbler | JeffM2501, i believe bryjen was requesting 40 units high.......sounds good |
| 21:12.14 | BenUrban | wow if that's not an ironic question i don't know what is |
| 21:12.18 | jolie | brad2901: why? |
| 21:12.27 | brad2901 | jolie, why not? |
| 21:12.35 | bryjen | i did what? |
| 21:12.40 | jolie | brad2901: why yes? |
| 21:12.53 | brad2901 | jolie, because |
| 21:13.06 | jolie | you must be like 14 or smg , eh? :) |
| 21:13.17 | brad2901 | smg? |
| 21:14.37 | brad2901 | ~smg |
| 21:14.47 | Birdie | something.. |
| 21:14.49 | brad2901 | ibot, smg |
| 21:14.56 | brad2901 | oh... :) |
| 21:15.42 | Birdie | maybe you do are very very young:) |
| 21:17.04 | bryjen | or dropping turkeys from a helicopter... |
| 21:17.14 | BenUrban | Grumbler: google :) |
| 21:17.59 | brad2901 | ~google chicken launching game |
| 21:18.11 | BenUrban | ~blinky itself |
| 21:18.12 | ibot | ACTION slaps itself on the head with a three-eyed fish named Blinky |
| 21:19.53 | *** part/#bzflag jolie (~alex@jolie.active.supporter.pdpc) |
| 21:20.07 | BenUrban | again? |
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| 21:46.58 | JeffM2501 | hmm it would be simple to add a new tag to world files, saying they are "new" and scale all worlds by 1.2 |
| 21:47.04 | JeffM2501 | then that would put them in real scale |
| 21:47.21 | JeffM2501 | and the scale up all defalut values in code by 1.2 |
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| 21:49.00 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: why does it matter? |
| 21:49.24 | purple_cow | not worth adding crap to the world files for a change that doesn't actually change anything |
| 21:50.43 | CBG | a change that is not. heh. |
| 21:55.29 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, true, just makes it common |
| 21:55.40 | JeffM2501 | otherwise I have to scale down all new objects |
| 21:56.15 | JeffM2501 | guess 1 bz unit will == 1.2 meters |
| 21:57.03 | JeffM2501 | or change the map to XML :) |
| 21:57.14 | JeffM2501 | and have the XML maps be the good scale |
| 21:58.04 | purple_cow | also keep in mind that as your units get smaller, you have the potential to run into z-buffer artifacts |
| 21:58.12 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:58.20 | JeffM2501 | a 1.2 change should not affect much tho |
| 21:58.28 | JeffM2501 | how big is 1 of them? |
| 21:58.33 | purple_cow | 100m |
| 21:59.14 | JeffM2501 | you'd run into float granularity problems on small things then :) |
| 21:59.26 | purple_cow | no you wouldn't :P |
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| 22:00.06 | bryjen | milli-root-hectares then? |
| 22:00.20 | JeffM2501 | soory that gun barrel is 0.0000254 units tall |
| 22:00.28 | purple_cow | bryjen: i think that's called a decimeter |
| 22:01.17 | bryjen | poh-tay-toh pah-tah-toh |
| 22:01.20 | CBG | decimeter = 10cm... |
| 22:01.55 | JeffM2501 | isn't that a decameter? |
| 22:02.04 | Tupone | 10 meter? |
| 22:02.08 | bryjen | deca is x10. deci is /10 |
| 22:02.26 | Tupone | deca-centi-meter |
| 22:02.34 | CBG | :o |
| 22:02.52 | JeffM2501 | what is 100x? |
| 22:03.05 | BenUrban | hecto |
| 22:03.18 | Tupone | I knew in italian :( |
| 22:03.23 | JeffM2501 | so it would be a hectometer? what's witht he "root" stuff? |
| 22:03.23 | Tupone | etto |
| 22:03.32 | BenUrban | hectare is area iirc |
| 22:03.41 | Tupone | 100x100 meter |
| 22:03.42 | BenUrban | sqrt(hectare) is length/distange |
| 22:03.44 | BenUrban | *distance |
| 22:03.55 | JeffM2501 | so root takes it down to linear |
| 22:03.56 | JeffM2501 | I see |
| 22:03.58 | JeffM2501 | fun fun |
| 22:04.02 | bryjen | http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/prefixes.html |
| 22:04.21 | JeffM2501 | fpf |
| 22:04.35 | JeffM2501 | cool "yoctometers" |
| 22:04.52 | wegstar | :) |
| 22:05.31 | bryjen | hmm, deka with a K. but then its a us.gov site. what do we know about SI? ;) |
| 22:05.39 | BenUrban | lol |
| 22:06.28 | menotume | BearPerson: http://meno.zapto.org/bzcaps/scoresort.patch |
| 22:09.20 | BenUrban | maybe a blade of grass? |
| 22:09.36 | purple_cow | it's not really hard to imagine a petabyte |
| 22:10.45 | BenUrban | i was making a joke you idiot |
| 22:10.58 | BenUrban | blade of grass rather than a chunk of meat |
| 22:11.02 | BenUrban | PETA |
| 22:11.04 | BenUrban | sigh |
| 22:14.45 | menotume | that patch could use a review/suggestions by anyone who needs something to do :) |
| 22:15.06 | menotume | not so much code-wise, it still needs to be cleaned up .... but functionality-wize |
| 22:15.30 | menotume | I added a key to change scoreboard sort order 'on-the-fly' |
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| 22:29.41 | *** join/#bzflag RichardRauch (~rkr@socrates.olib.org) |
| 22:29.45 | RichardRauch | Boo. |
| 22:29.50 | CBG | Eek! |
| 22:29.54 | RichardRauch | I have a question. (^& |
| 22:29.59 | BenUrban | no you don't |
| 22:30.04 | BenUrban | you just think you do |
| 22:30.18 | RichardRauch | Oh, I'm not that scarey... |
| 22:30.18 | RichardRauch | Oh. |
| 22:30.18 | RichardRauch | Okay. My pet rock has a question. |
| 22:30.23 | BenUrban | lmao |
| 22:30.42 | RichardRauch | I saw a bzflag map that had a little bump on it that you could roll up on. |
| 22:31.01 | RichardRauch | I thought that that was a clever idea, so I wrote a program to generate a bunch of such bumps at different locations... |
| 22:31.15 | RichardRauch | the idea was to make a *ramp* out of gradually increasing bumps. |
| 22:31.31 | RichardRauch | It works. kinda. I have to give a height of no more than .3 units per step, and can't crowd them too close together. |
| 22:31.40 | RichardRauch | But some people can't climb no matter what i do. |
| 22:32.03 | RichardRauch | It might be client-version-dependant, but I'm not sure. |
| 22:32.22 | RichardRauch | Has anyone tried making ramps like that, before? Is there a better way to do it? |
| 22:32.43 | JeffM2501 | it is the only way to do it |
| 22:32.51 | JeffM2501 | with out doing a physics driver |
| 22:33.01 | JeffM2501 | what version were the people that could not do it using? |
| 22:33.02 | RichardRauch | Is there any gotcha to making it work better? Is it doomed not to work with some clients? |
| 22:33.12 | JeffM2501 | depends |
| 22:33.24 | RichardRauch | Some were using 2.0.0, I was using 2.0.2; one claimed to be using 2.0.3, but I didn't verify that. |
| 22:33.25 | JeffM2501 | were the ones that don't do it running 1.10.x servers and clients? |
| 22:33.33 | RichardRauch | The server is mine. 2.0.2. |
| 22:33.37 | JeffM2501 | any 2.0.x should allow the bump |
| 22:33.56 | JeffM2501 | but maybe there were bugs in 2.0.0 |
| 22:33.59 | JeffM2501 | it's posible |
| 22:34.03 | RichardRauch | I could normally climb, but if the bumps are too close, you can get stuck (not even a "sealed" notice). |
| 22:34.15 | RichardRauch | (gasp!) BUGS? NOOOO! |
| 22:34.30 | JeffM2501 | the ability to pop over small objces is very new |
| 22:34.34 | JeffM2501 | it was added in 2.0.0 |
| 22:34.40 | RichardRauch | (nod) |
| 22:35.00 | JeffM2501 | best would be to find a client that dosn't work on |
| 22:35.02 | JeffM2501 | dupe it |
| 22:35.06 | JeffM2501 | then we can see what the problem is |
| 22:35.29 | RichardRauch | "dupe" it? You mean dump (core dump)? Or just get the client version number? |
| 22:35.34 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 22:35.37 | JeffM2501 | I mean dupicate it |
| 22:35.46 | RichardRauch | You mean duplicate the problem? |
| 22:36.00 | RichardRauch | That's easy. If I set the ramp step size to no more than .1, no one can climb. |
| 22:36.33 | JeffM2501 | the bump size is set on the server |
| 22:36.37 | RichardRauch | If you are game to see it in action, I'll regenerate the map. |
| 22:36.38 | JeffM2501 | it's a varialbe you set |
| 22:36.41 | RichardRauch | Yes. I said, it's *my* server. |
| 22:36.52 | RichardRauch | Okay, I think we're using the same term differently. |
| 22:36.53 | JeffM2501 | yes and what did you set your min bump at in your vars? |
| 22:36.59 | RichardRauch | I mean the size of the step on my generated ramps. |
| 22:37.14 | RichardRauch | I did not change the server parameters for that, just the map. I didn't know that there was a parameter. |
| 22:37.17 | JeffM2501 | no I mean the variable for the max size a tank can auto jump over |
| 22:37.21 | JeffM2501 | I think it's 0.1 |
| 22:37.25 | JeffM2501 | so that would make sense :) |
| 22:37.27 | JeffM2501 | you can set it |
| 22:38.07 | RichardRauch | Okay, so the server param is set at .1 by default? Let's say so. Let me clarify what I did/saw: |
| 22:38.23 | JeffM2501 | I think so |
| 22:38.26 | JeffM2501 | I'm cxhecking code now |
| 22:38.35 | RichardRauch | If my *map* has a step-size of approx (but no more than) .3, I can walk up ramps reliably. Some others can, too. But not all. |
| 22:38.54 | RichardRauch | If I *map* has a step-size of approx (but no more than) .1, otherwise identical map, I can't do it. |
| 22:38.54 | JeffM2501 | the ones that can't, that's the ones we need to know versions on |
| 22:39.08 | RichardRauch | (My ramps are generated from a short data file and an AWK script.) |
| 22:39.18 | JeffM2501 | once it's a map it dosn't matter where it comes from |
| 22:39.21 | JeffM2501 | let me find the default |
| 22:40.03 | RichardRauch | But the .1 height doesn't work with *any* client that I've seen. A .3 size (bigger step) works with some. That seems particularly troubling. |
| 22:40.17 | JeffM2501 | there may be a minimum |
| 22:40.21 | RichardRauch | (With more than .3, it gets treated like a wall. At .3, it can actually get the client stuck.) |
| 22:40.42 | RichardRauch | (Again, these numbers are the size of the steps in the map, not server parameters.) |
| 22:40.51 | JeffM2501 | I got that |
| 22:40.54 | RichardRauch | (nod) |
| 22:41.25 | creeperz | cod |
| 22:41.45 | RichardRauch | Why is it called a "codpiece" if there aren't any fish in it? |
| 22:43.00 | creeperz | you've obviously never been to the pen |
| 22:43.01 | creeperz | ... |
| 22:43.05 | creeperz | :-P |
| 22:43.17 | RichardRauch | No, but I have used pencils before. |
| 22:43.21 | RichardRauch | And crayons. |
| 22:43.23 | RichardRauch | And fingerpaint! |
| 22:43.41 | creeperz | right.. |
| 22:43.42 | JeffM2501 | _maxBumpHeight is set to 0.33 initaly |
| 22:43.44 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (5 files): Starting at structuring local orders |
| 22:43.57 | JeffM2501 | so noone can use one that is 0.1 or under right? |
| 22:44.18 | RichardRauch | I thought that I'd tried closer to .3 than .33; maybe I gave up at .35 and assumed that it was a limit of .3... |
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| 22:50.09 | RichardRauch | (Turning down jumping is a good way to encourage people to try to climb...) |
| 22:50.42 | JeffM2501 | you can also try increasing your max bump var to something like 2x your actual step, to make it have some room |
| 22:51.06 | JeffM2501 | also the bump up thing only works on boxes, not meshboxes |
| 22:51.17 | JeffM2501 | I think |
| 22:54.58 | Tupone | JeffM2501: I added some files, if you cvs update, probably need to update project files too |
| 22:55.09 | JeffM2501 | what did you add? |
| 22:56.07 | Tupone | in src/bzflag LocalCommands.cxx, and .h and commandsImplementation.cxx |
| 22:57.16 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 22:58.51 | JeffM2501 | building |
| 23:02.04 | RichardRauch | Sorry, was in the client. looking for people to verify that they could/couldn't climb. |
| 23:02.21 | RichardRauch | I tried making a ramp from a mesh at first, but that didn't seem to work; I didn't try a meshbox. |
| 23:02.52 | RichardRauch | My "ramps" are all boxes. |
| 23:04.26 | RichardRauch | A workaround is to just enable modest jumping so people can skip up the ramps... |
| 23:04.49 | JeffM2501 | or put a physics driver on them that gives them a bit of an "up" boost |
| 23:05.19 | creeperz | I saw a server that just made something move |
| 23:05.25 | creeperz | not sure how |
| 23:05.33 | creeperz | but you slowly climbed |
| 23:05.54 | RichardRauch | Hm... |
| 23:07.25 | JeffM2501 | that would be a physics driver |
| 23:07.30 | JeffM2501 | on the object |
| 23:07.33 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/win32/VC71/bzflag.vcproj: add in the tupmaster's new files |
| 23:07.52 | Tupone | :) |
| 23:08.31 | Tupone | JeffM2501: you tested? can I go further then ? |
| 23:08.47 | Tupone | at least it build |
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| 23:16.15 | JeffM2501 | It compiled |
| 23:16.17 | JeffM2501 | I did not run |
| 23:16.20 | JeffM2501 | but it compiles |
| 23:16.48 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, how big is a real world tank? |
| 23:18.28 | ndim | Depends on the kind of tank. |
| 23:18.54 | brlcad | yeah, the old ones were smaller |
| 23:18.58 | brlcad | then they got huge |
| 23:19.11 | brlcad | then they sort of settled down to a midsize |
| 23:19.14 | ndim | The Main Battle tanks. |
| 23:20.19 | brlcad | something like an M1 Abrams is about 12 feet wide, maybe 20 feet long |
| 23:20.37 | ndim | Going by memory from my service time, I'd estimate 3 meters by 6 meters for a Leopard II. |
| 23:21.30 | brlcad | 7 to 8 feet tall for abrams too |
| 23:21.45 | brlcad | to the turret |
| 23:22.18 | ndim | yupp. |
| 23:24.34 | ndim | 32 x 12 x 8 ft for an M1A2 |
| 23:25.48 | brlcad | the old hmm.. that's probably with the turret sticking forward? |
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| 23:28.25 | JeffM2501 | let me find my notes on how big a bz one was |
| 23:28.30 | ndim | Ah. M109 is 6m x 3m x 3m ... that was what we were earning our money with. |
| 23:28.32 | JeffM2501 | and you can tell me if it's about right size |
| 23:28.43 | ndim | But thats tracked artillery, not a tank. |
| 23:30.05 | JeffM2501 | 9 ft wide, 26.3 feet long, 6.8 feet high |
| 23:30.13 | JeffM2501 | if you asume 1 unit == a meter |
| 23:32.26 | JeffM2501 | maybe if they are little 1 man tanks thats esplainable |
| 23:33.39 | ndim | So they aren't main battle tanks, but sth smaller. |
| 23:33.52 | JeffM2501 | mini battle tanks :) |
| 23:34.07 | JeffM2501 | are there tanks other then the "main battle" type? |
| 23:34.15 | JeffM2501 | in the real world? |
| 23:35.10 | ndim | Depends on whether you use "tank" in the common language context, or in specialized military language. |
| 23:35.13 | ndim | I suppose. |
| 23:35.30 | JeffM2501 | military |
| 23:39.19 | ndim | There are "light tanks". |
| 23:40.48 | ndim | Or were? |
| 23:41.26 | creeperz | Monkey Banana Tank |
| 23:41.43 | ndim | IIRC the Soviets had a 15 ton tank which could be air dropped. |
| 23:41.57 | creeperz | ...thats not a good idea... |
| 23:44.22 | RichardRauch | You can drop *any* tank if you can get it up in the air. |
| 23:44.29 | RichardRauch | It's just a question of how well it works afterwards... |
| 23:45.01 | creeperz | whichever way it hits the ground, I guess |
| 23:45.38 | creeperz | I wouldnt want to be in a tank thats falling at 12,000 ft/sec :-P |
| 23:45.51 | RichardRauch | i wouldn't want to be UNDER such a tank, either. |
| 23:46.12 | creeperz | right |
| 23:46.14 | creeperz | :-) |
| 23:50.05 | ndim | The idea with these things was to airdrop them fully equipped with fuel, ammo, and people, ready for action. |
| 23:50.31 | ndim | OK, there still are "light tanks" today. |
| 23:51.19 | ndim | google for "stingray light tank". |
| 23:54.54 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (CommandsImplementation.cxx ComposeDefaultKey.cxx): Moving Unsilence, Dump, ClientQuery, SaveWorld to new schema |
| 23:56.21 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/.cvsignore: Ignoring depcomp, from new autotools |
| 23:56.31 | RichardRauch | If you dropped them on the enemy you could skip the fuel, ammo, and people. |