| 00:00.06 | Ice_Wewe | yep, nadda |
| 00:00.30 | learner | somehow I find that hard to believe |
| 00:00.36 | Ice_Wewe | yea, me too |
| 00:00.37 | learner | what's ac[tab][tab] give? |
| 00:00.42 | rkr | Now, coords work. But truncating to integers is kinda crude. I'll need to change the code to give a couple of places behind the decimal point. |
| 00:00.59 | Ice_Wewe | and rpmdrake doesn't find it as a packge either |
| 00:01.10 | learner | it's not a separate package |
| 00:01.12 | Ice_Wewe | learner: may I /msg you the short list |
| 00:01.22 | learner | it should be a 1-liner |
| 00:01.26 | Ice_Wewe | 2 |
| 00:01.32 | Ice_Wewe | accept aconnect acpitool acyclic |
| 00:01.32 | Ice_Wewe | achfile acpi activation-client |
| 00:01.34 | Ice_Wewe | oops |
| 00:01.42 | Ice_Wewe | sorry |
| 00:01.53 | learner | hrm, well try reinstalling or updating autoconf |
| 00:02.08 | Ice_Wewe | can't, wont let me |
| 00:02.24 | learner | er, I meant automake |
| 00:02.43 | blast007 | rkr: :) |
| 00:03.30 | Ice_Wewe | GRRRR |
| 00:04.05 | Ice_Wewe | bbl |
| 00:47.39 | *** join/#bzflag noyb_ (~noyb@pool-71-108-85-69.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 00:47.51 | bryjen | purple_cow: no more flags |
| 01:02.55 | orchid | !seen JBDigriz |
| 01:02.55 | TheLastSpartan | orchid: JBDigriz was last seen here 10 weeks, 6 days, 2 hours, 27 minutes, and 38 seconds ago saying: * JBdiGriz watches brlcad fall on the floor |
| 01:03.33 | Tupone | !seen larsl |
| 01:03.34 | TheLastSpartan | Tupone: larsl was last seen here 44 weeks, 4 days, 8 hours, 12 minutes, and 19 seconds ago saying: <larsl> You could set up a local list server if you want. |
| 01:04.44 | orchid | you beat me by 33 weeks |
| 01:04.56 | orchid | !seen bzg |
| 01:04.56 | TheLastSpartan | orchid: bzg was last seen here 43 weeks, 3 days, 3 hours, 18 minutes, and 43 seconds ago saying: <bzg> hello |
| 01:06.32 | BenUrban | ~seen bzg |
| 01:06.32 | ibot | bzg <~orchid@toronto-hs-64-26-176-100.s-ip.magma.ca> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 304d 2h 23m 49s ago, saying: 'hello'. |
| 01:06.37 | BenUrban | LMAO |
| 01:07.29 | orchid | purple_cow: have you heard "the life aquatic" soundtrack? |
| 01:07.48 | purple_cow | orchid: no, but i've heard about it |
| 01:07.48 | orchid | ~seen captian_proton |
| 01:07.48 | ibot | i haven't seen 'captian_proton', orchid |
| 01:08.33 | TimRikerXTI | L@@K! Own TimRiker's car! http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4557976877 - just kidding. kinda. |
| 01:08.40 | Tupone | ~seen captain_proton |
| 01:08.40 | ibot | captain_proton <~brandon@navi.cs.colorado.edu> was last seen on IRC in channel #tacobeam, 375d 7h 31m 45s ago, saying: 'I am no longer here!'. |
| 01:08.57 | bryjen | brandon? |
| 01:09.26 | orchid | gonky |
| 01:09.35 | orchid | TimRikerXTI: Runs Great NR ? |
| 01:09.49 | TimRikerXTI | NR = no reserve. |
| 01:09.55 | orchid | oh |
| 01:10.03 | orchid | "not responding" |
| 01:10.11 | TimRikerXTI | yeah, I always read "needs repair" |
| 01:10.13 | blast007 | oh, for a sec I thought it was "No Reverse" |
| 01:10.20 | TimRikerXTI | hehe |
| 01:10.41 | TimRikerXTI | "nearly rox" |
| 01:12.12 | rkr | Nibbling Ricotta. |
| 01:12.34 | BenUrban | not ready |
| 01:12.37 | trepan | network rigor |
| 01:12.44 | rkr | Native Redundant. |
| 01:13.06 | rkr | Naturally Recumbant. |
| 01:13.14 | rkr | Nosey & Ridiculous. |
| 01:13.43 | rkr | Needy Retrograde. |
| 01:14.12 | orchid | so bzflag locked up my comp today after I went nr and tried to recoonect to the same server |
| 01:14.28 | orchid | no ssh, no virtual console, everything dead |
| 01:15.06 | rkr | Not even ping would work? |
| 01:15.11 | BenUrban | Now Rebooting |
| 01:15.16 | rkr | (From another system on the same network, of course...(^&) |
| 01:15.24 | bryjen | :( |
| 01:15.57 | orchid | rkr: I dont try ping in those situations, if I cant ssh in ping isnt much help :-) |
| 01:16.12 | rkr | Tells you something about how dead the machine is...(^& |
| 01:16.18 | TimRikerXTI | BenUrban: hehe. needs reboot |
| 01:16.20 | rkr | If ping won't work, the kernel, I think, is wedged. |
| 01:16.25 | BenUrban | ah, better :P |
| 01:16.39 | BenUrban | that's Not Right |
| 01:17.01 | *** join/#bzflag noyb (~noyb@pool-71-108-85-69.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 01:17.06 | TimRikerXTI | =) |
| 01:17.07 | bryjen | if you can't access the machine, if matters little what it's still doing |
| 01:17.18 | rkr | (shrug) |
| 01:17.41 | bryjen | unless its scribbling random bits all across its disks |
| 01:17.42 | rkr | Depends on if you care why it's dead. |
| 01:18.17 | BenUrban | Not Riker |
| 01:18.20 | BenUrban | :D |
| 01:18.25 | rkr | bryjen: If it's scribbling *truly* random bits all across its disks, that could be useful. Good entropy generators are rare on PCs... |
| 01:18.36 | bryjen | my machine was totally hosered, no pings. |
| 01:18.40 | rkr | Newly Randomized. |
| 01:18.43 | BenUrban | lol |
| 01:19.22 | orchid | your trying dual head bzflag? |
| 01:19.32 | BenUrban | stereo vision? |
| 01:19.35 | BenUrban | ah lol |
| 01:19.52 | bryjen | I might have, but couldn't get dri on both heads :( |
| 01:19.59 | TimRikerXTI | Need Rowels |
| 01:20.09 | TimRikerXTI | oh. that's a V. ;-) |
| 01:20.12 | BenUrban | LMAO |
| 01:20.33 | bryjen | Not Right, TimRikerXTI |
| 01:20.37 | rkr | Nasty Robot. |
| 01:20.46 | bryjen | oops, somebody used that one |
| 01:21.26 | bryjen | Nuclear Robots! From Outerspace! ;) |
| 01:21.26 | orchid | http://www.upc.edu/catala/noticies/arxiufotografic/2005/marenostrum/marenostrum3.jpg oooh |
| 01:22.06 | bryjen | orchid: nice racks ;) |
| 01:22.10 | BenUrban | LMAO |
| 01:22.12 | orchid | heh |
| 01:22.41 | rkr | Never Returning |
| 01:23.00 | BenUrban | heh |
| 01:23.02 | bryjen | heh. that's an NR too :) |
| 01:23.03 | BenUrban | usually |
| 01:23.20 | BenUrban | No Realization |
| 01:23.58 | rkr | Non-Realistic. |
| 01:24.07 | BenUrban | Nearly Relativistic |
| 01:24.12 | BenUrban | ;) |
| 01:24.18 | TimRikerXTI | sold. $2800 if anyone cares. I guess I do. ;-) |
| 01:24.20 | rkr | You can get auto-kicked for that. |
| 01:24.27 | bryjen | looks like something out of APC's newsletter ads |
| 01:24.28 | BenUrban | who me? |
| 01:24.36 | BenUrban | oh |
| 01:24.40 | BenUrban | you mean in the game |
| 01:24.42 | BenUrban | lmao |
| 01:24.43 | rkr | Anyone going nearly relativistic speed.. |
| 01:25.01 | rkr | Of course, "nearly" is all relative. |
| 01:25.32 | BenUrban | lol |
| 01:26.05 | rkr | "I was going nearly the speed of light... 'course, I was a lot more nearly standing still." |
| 01:26.13 | BenUrban | ROFLMFAO |
| 01:27.27 | BenUrban | haha |
| 01:35.58 | rkr | For example, 1 can be factored as 2/3 * 3/2, or as 4/3 * 5/4 * 3/4... |
| 01:36.41 | rkr | So we see that the old adage that God made the integers, and all the rest is the work of man is in fact wrong. All numbers are outrageous and were made by Loki. |
| 01:37.05 | bryjen | uhm, k |
| 01:37.09 | rkr | (^& |
| 01:41.39 | bryjen | again I say: decks! |
| 01:41.45 | bryjen | ~bzfquery bryjen.bzflag.org |
| 01:54.04 | BenUrban | such a unique way of thinking :P |
| 02:06.49 | Ice_Wewe | ~seen Ice Wewe |
| 02:06.49 | ibot | Ice_Wewe: i haven't seen 'ice wewe' |
| 02:06.55 | Ice_Wewe | ~seen Ice_Wewe |
| 02:06.56 | ibot | ice_wewe is currently on #bzflag (1d 58m 40s). Has said a total of 36 messages. Is idling for 1s |
| 02:07.04 | BenUrban | haha |
| 02:07.06 | BenUrban | you're idle |
| 02:07.12 | Ice_Wewe | lol |
| 02:07.13 | Ice_Wewe | ok |
| 02:07.19 | Ice_Wewe | ~Fast8 |
| 02:07.27 | Ice_Wewe | ~seen Fast8 |
| 02:07.27 | ibot | i haven't seen 'fast8', Ice_Wewe |
| 02:07.35 | BenUrban | ~seen ibot |
| 02:07.35 | ibot | ibot is currently on #openzaurus (2d 22h 11m 6s) #gpe (2d 22h 11m 6s) #opie (2d 22h 11m 6s) #bzflag (2d 22h 11m 6s) #familiar (2d 22h 11m 6s) #brlcad (2d 22h 11m 6s) #uclibc (2d 22h 11m 6s) #opencombat (2d 22h 11m 6s) #handhelds.org (2d 22h 11m 6s) #utah (2d 22h 11m 6s) #oe (2d 22h ... |
| 02:07.48 | BenUrban | ~seen ibot | grep bzflag |
| 02:07.48 | ibot | BenUrban: i haven't seen 'ibot | grep bzflag' |
| 02:07.51 | BenUrban | ;) |
| 02:08.00 | Ice_Wewe | ~seen trepan |
| 02:08.00 | ibot | trepan is currently on #bzflag. Has said a total of 50 messages. Is idling for 55m 23s |
| 02:08.22 | BenUrban | !seen ibot |
| 02:08.23 | TheLastSpartan | BenUrban: ibot was last seen here 21 seconds ago saying: <ibot> trepan is currently on #bzflag. Has said a total of 50 messages. Is idling for 55m 23s |
| 02:08.31 | BenUrban | ~seen TheLastSpartan |
| 02:08.31 | ibot | i haven't seen 'thelastspartan', BenUrban |
| 02:08.32 | TheLastSpartan | I don't have a clue, BenUrban. |
| 02:08.38 | BenUrban | lmao |
| 02:08.54 | rkr | ~fling thelastspartan |
| 02:08.54 | ibot | ACTION flings poo at thelastspartan |
| 02:08.55 | Ice_Wewe | ~seen Ice_Drake |
| 02:08.55 | ibot | i haven't seen 'ice_drake', Ice_Wewe |
| 02:09.03 | Ice_Wewe | ROFL |
| 02:09.14 | BenUrban | what is a Wewe anyway? |
| 02:09.37 | Ice_Wewe | you don't want to know, because I don't know |
| 02:10.01 | Ice_Wewe | !seen Tupone |
| 02:10.01 | TheLastSpartan | Ice_Wewe: Tupone was last seen here 1 hour, 1 minute, and 20 seconds ago saying: <Tupone> ~seen captain_proton |
| 02:10.07 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/sound.cxx: compiler warning fix |
| 02:10.08 | BenUrban | LMAO |
| 02:10.15 | BenUrban | ~seen CIA-1 |
| 02:10.15 | ibot | cia-1 is currently on #bzflag (2d 10h 3s). Has said a total of 29 messages. Is idling for 8s |
| 02:10.21 | Ice_Wewe | ~seen ibot |
| 02:10.22 | ibot | ibot is currently on #openzaurus (2d 22h 13m 53s) #gpe (2d 22h 13m 53s) #opie (2d 22h 13m 53s) #bzflag (2d 22h 13m 53s) #familiar (2d 22h 13m 53s) #brlcad (2d 22h 13m 53s) #uclibc (2d 22h 13m 53s) #opencombat (2d 22h 13m 53s) #handhelds.org (2d 22h 13m 53s) #utah (2d 22h 13m 53s) #oe ... |
| 02:10.22 | BenUrban | !seen CIA-1 |
| 02:10.22 | TheLastSpartan | BenUrban: CIA-1 was last seen here 14 seconds ago saying: <CIA-1> BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/sound.cxx: compiler warning fix |
| 02:10.29 | Ice_Wewe | !seen ibot |
| 02:10.30 | TheLastSpartan | Ice_Wewe: ibot was last seen here 7 seconds ago saying: <ibot> ibot is currently on #openzaurus (2d 22h 13m 53s) #gpe (2d 22h 13m 53s) #opie (2d 22h 13m 53s) #bzflag (2d 22h 13m 53s) #familiar (2d 22h 13m 53s) #brlcad (2d 22h 13m 53s) #uclibc (2d 22h 13m 53s) #opencombat (2d 22h 13m 53s) #handhelds.org (2d 22h 13m 53s) (1 more message) |
| 02:10.36 | Ice_Wewe | lol |
| 02:10.46 | BenUrban | TheLastSpartan: more |
| 02:10.52 | BenUrban | sigh |
| 02:10.57 | BenUrban | you gotta say it :P |
| 02:11.41 | rkr | Running KDE is a definite no-no. (^& |
| 02:11.44 | BenUrban | heh |
| 02:11.47 | BenUrban | indeed |
| 02:11.53 | BenUrban | lmao |
| 02:12.18 | BenUrban | ~slap Ice_Wewe |
| 02:12.18 | ibot | ACTION slaps Ice_Wewe, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 02:12.28 | Ice_Wewe | ~fling BenUrban |
| 02:12.28 | ibot | ACTION flings poo at BenUrban |
| 02:13.10 | Ice_Wewe | no matter how crummy of a job it did |
| 02:13.48 | Ice_Wewe | !fling BenUrban |
| 02:13.49 | TheLastSpartan | Ice_Wewe: are you 12? |
| 02:13.56 | BenUrban | lmao |
| 02:14.39 | Ice_Wewe | TheLastSpartan: hardly, is the person that programmed you about that age? is that why you were confused? |
| 02:15.04 | blast007 | my bot would ask if you were 10, so 12 is showing a bit more respect ;) |
| 02:15.10 | BenUrban | lmao |
| 02:15.18 | Ice_Wewe | ~fling blast007 |
| 02:15.18 | ibot | ACTION flings poo at blast007 |
| 02:15.34 | Ice_Wewe | !fling blast007 |
| 02:15.35 | TheLastSpartan | Ice_Wewe: Bombs are great! |
| 02:15.41 | Ice_Wewe | lmao |
| 02:15.43 | BenUrban | heh |
| 02:15.48 | Ice_Wewe | who makes up these things? |
| 02:15.49 | blast007 | they make great chairs |
| 02:16.01 | blast007 | especially the ones that hiss |
| 02:16.06 | BenUrban | lol |
| 02:16.09 | Ice_Wewe | ~punch |
| 02:16.16 | Ice_Wewe | ~punch blast007 |
| 02:16.16 | ibot | ACTION hits blast007 like the hot kiss and the end of a wet fist |
| 02:16.33 | purple_cow | rofl |
| 02:16.38 | purple_cow | go ibot |
| 02:16.44 | purple_cow | i wonder who programmed that in |
| 02:16.48 | blast007 | lol |
| 02:16.53 | purple_cow | ~factinfo punch |
| 02:16.53 | ibot | purple_cow: there's no such factoid as punch |
| 02:17.00 | BenUrban | ~blinky purple_cow |
| 02:17.00 | ibot | ACTION slaps purple_cow on the head with a three-eyed fish named Blinky |
| 02:17.00 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 02:17.04 | purple_cow | TimRikerXTI: help |
| 02:17.18 | BenUrban | purple_cow: tlak ot it lke a bot and maybe it'll reply |
| 02:17.21 | Ice_Wewe | ~kick purple_cow |
| 02:17.21 | ibot | bugger off sod! |
| 02:17.22 | BenUrban | *talk to |
| 02:17.30 | Ice_Wewe | tattle tale! |
| 02:17.46 | BenUrban | TimRikerXTI: botsnack |
| 02:17.53 | Ice_Wewe | ~spit ibot |
| 02:18.03 | Ice_Wewe | ~kill BenUrban |
| 02:18.03 | ibot | ACTION shoots a super-inverse pseudoneutron gun at BenUrban |
| 02:18.07 | BenUrban | LMFAO |
| 02:18.08 | Ice_Wewe | LMAO~ |
| 02:19.04 | BenUrban | ~whaleslap Ice_Wewe;s new floor |
| 02:19.04 | ibot | ACTION slaps Ice_Wewe;s new floor upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 02:19.08 | rkr | Do you want fries with that? |
| 02:19.10 | BenUrban | LMAO |
| 02:19.35 | Ice_Wewe | ~slap BenUrban |
| 02:19.35 | ibot | ACTION slaps BenUrban, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 02:19.48 | rkr | s/celining/ceiling/ |
| 02:20.21 | Ice_Wewe | ~dance BenUrban |
| 02:20.29 | Ice_Wewe | ~hit BenUrban |
| 02:20.29 | ibot | ACTION punches BenUrban. |
| 02:20.34 | Ice_Wewe | mao |
| 02:20.35 | blast007 | ~factinfo CMD: punch (.*?) |
| 02:20.35 | ibot | cmd: punch (.*?) -- last modified at Wed Mar 24 03:52:37 2004 by lurgyman!~lurgyman@navi.cs.colorado.edu; it has been requested 3 times, last by Ice_Wewe, 4m 19s ago. |
| 02:20.45 | BenUrban | lmao |
| 02:20.50 | purple_cow | aha |
| 02:20.56 | purple_cow | thanks blast007 |
| 02:20.58 | blast007 | :) |
| 02:21.01 | BenUrban | ~thank blast007 |
| 02:21.01 | ibot | BenUrban: my pleasure |
| 02:21.05 | BenUrban | sigh |
| 02:21.08 | Ice_Wewe | ~factinfo CMD:whaleslap (.*?) |
| 02:21.08 | ibot | Ice_Wewe: there's no such factoid as cmd:whaleslap (.*?) |
| 02:21.20 | Ice_Wewe | ~factinfo CMD:whaleslap |
| 02:21.20 | ibot | there's no such factoid as cmd:whaleslap, Ice_Wewe |
| 02:21.24 | Ice_Wewe | what?!?! |
| 02:21.25 | BenUrban | heh |
| 02:21.34 | blast007 | ~factinfo CMD: whaleslap (.*?) |
| 02:21.35 | ibot | cmd: whaleslap (.*?) -- last modified at Fri Oct 3 23:49:25 2003 by TimRiker!~timr@proxyle02.ext.ti.com; it has been requested 53 times, last by BenUrban, 2m 31s ago. |
| 02:21.35 | Ice_Wewe | ~eagleslap BenUrban |
| 02:21.39 | rkr | You're dropping the space. |
| 02:21.54 | rkr | Use 'CMD: whaleslape", not 'CMD:whaleslape". |
| 02:21.59 | Ice_Wewe | ~factinfo CMD: idiot |
| 02:21.59 | ibot | Ice_Wewe: there's no such factoid as cmd: idiot |
| 02:22.02 | rkr | That probably is why you got nothing, i'm guessing. |
| 02:22.07 | blast007 | yup |
| 02:22.18 | BenUrban | ~factinfo CMD: blinky (.*?) |
| 02:22.18 | ibot | cmd: blinky (.*?) -- created by blast007 <~blast007@24-196-92-143.jvl.wi.charter.com> at Thu May 26 16:13:51 2005 (29 days); it has been requested 23 times, last by BenUrban, 5m 18s ago. |
| 02:22.20 | Ice_Wewe | ~factinfo CMD: moron |
| 02:22.20 | ibot | there's no such factoid as cmd: moron, Ice_Wewe |
| 02:22.35 | BenUrban | :) |
| 02:22.52 | Ice_Wewe | ~punch BenUrban |
| 02:22.52 | ibot | ACTION hits BenUrban like the hot kiss and the end of a wet fist |
| 02:23.06 | BenUrban | ~factinfo blinky, idiot! |
| 02:23.06 | ibot | BenUrban: there's no such factoid as blinky, idiot! |
| 02:23.09 | BenUrban | :) |
| 02:23.48 | Ice_Wewe | ~witchslap BenUrban |
| 02:24.13 | Ice_Wewe | ~poo BenUrban |
| 02:24.13 | ibot | ACTION poo's on shiny new shoes! |
| 02:24.24 | BenUrban | eew |
| 02:24.30 | BenUrban | who put that ' in there?! |
| 02:24.32 | Ice_Wewe | ~factinfo CMD: poo |
| 02:24.32 | ibot | there's no such factoid as cmd: poo, Ice_Wewe |
| 02:25.07 | Ice_Wewe | ~factinfo CMD: poo |
| 02:25.07 | ibot | Ice_Wewe: there's no such factoid as cmd: poo |
| 02:25.16 | BenUrban | wtf |
| 02:25.17 | BenUrban | lol |
| 02:25.23 | Ice_Wewe | !hit BenUrban |
| 02:25.24 | TheLastSpartan | Ice_Wewe: I'm sorry, I was listening to AirSupply. |
| 02:25.33 | Ice_Wewe | !punch BenUrban |
| 02:25.34 | TheLastSpartan | Ice_Wewe: Tai-kong suo-yo duh shing-chiouh doh sai-jin wuh duh pee-go |
| 02:25.35 | BenUrban | it varies its responses to ~factoid?! |
| 02:25.40 | BenUrban | lmao |
| 02:25.52 | Ice_Wewe | @punch BenUrban |
| 02:25.58 | Ice_Wewe | darn |
| 02:26.19 | Ice_Wewe | ~whaleslap BenUrban |
| 02:26.19 | ibot | ACTION slaps BenUrban upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 02:26.32 | Ice_Wewe | !whaleslap BenUrban |
| 02:26.33 | TheLastSpartan | Ice_Wewe: Don't make me shoot you. |
| 02:26.39 | Ice_Wewe | wth! |
| 02:26.43 | BenUrban | heh |
| 02:27.11 | Ice_Wewe | !shoot BenUrban |
| 02:27.12 | TheLastSpartan | Ice_Wewe: I'm sorry, I was listening to this tiny violin. |
| 02:27.17 | BenUrban | lol |
| 02:27.18 | *** join/#bzflag Quol (~QS@modemcable131.110-70-69.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 02:27.19 | Ice_Wewe | ~shoot BenUrban |
| 02:27.19 | ibot | ACTION shoots BenUrban in the eye with a spitwad! |
| 02:27.24 | BenUrban | haha |
| 02:27.28 | Ice_Wewe | at least ibot listens! |
| 02:27.34 | orchid | hello Quol |
| 02:27.35 | Ice_Wewe | !useless |
| 02:27.36 | TheLastSpartan | Ice_Wewe: Hoookkkkaaayyy!!?!?! |
| 02:27.46 | Ice_Wewe | lmao |
| 02:27.53 | Ice_Wewe | ~useless |
| 02:27.54 | ibot | ACTION starts crying and hides from ice_wewe in the darkest corner of the room. :( |
| 02:28.02 | Ice_Wewe | ~wonderful |
| 02:28.06 | Ice_Wewe | ~perfect |
| 02:28.07 | ibot | There is no such thing as absolute perfection. Perfection is completely subjective. [with the possible exception of Debian.] See Debian. |
| 02:28.15 | BenUrban | heh |
| 02:28.16 | Ice_Wewe | ~great |
| 02:28.17 | ibot | from memory, great is cool |
| 02:28.18 | BenUrban | ~debian |
| 02:28.18 | ibot | debian is, like, a genuine free software distribution, it isn't only a linux distribution, but it also distribute the Hurd, FreeBSD and NetBSD kernels. Currently, the Debian GNU/Linux is the unique that is considered stable. Another good point of Debian is that it separetes what is and what isn't DFSG-compliant. |
| 02:28.21 | orchid | Ice_Wewe: can you use #botpark |
| 02:28.34 | orchid | or whatever it is called |
| 02:28.40 | blast007 | yup, that's it |
| 02:28.44 | Ice_Wewe | well it helps when I kno what its called |
| 02:28.48 | Ice_Wewe | #botpark |
| 02:28.51 | Ice_Wewe | ~botpark |
| 02:28.51 | ibot | #BotPark is a channel for testing and talking to irc bots. Please do not talk to the bots too much in normal channels. You may msg them or talk in #BotPark |
| 02:29.03 | orchid | :-) |
| 02:30.48 | Ice_Wewe | ~die |
| 02:30.49 | ibot | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 02:30.54 | BenUrban | haha |
| 02:30.56 | Ice_Wewe | ~love |
| 02:30.56 | ibot | If you love <insert item> so much, why don't you marry it |
| 02:31.02 | BenUrban | LOL |
| 02:31.15 | Ice_Wewe | ~hate |
| 02:31.15 | ibot | i heard hate is opposite of love (see love) |
| 02:31.18 | purple_cow | Ice_Wewe: seriously. either move the bot chatter to #botpark or stop it |
| 02:31.23 | Ice_Wewe | sorry |
| 02:31.36 | Ice_Wewe | ~suckerpunch purple_cow |
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| 02:32.20 | BenUrban | ~seen rkr |
| 02:32.20 | ibot | rkr <~rkr@hermes.olib.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 59d 1h 30m 26s ago, saying: 'Thanks.'. |
| 02:32.25 | BenUrban | haha |
| 02:32.32 | BenUrban | wait a second... |
| 02:32.34 | BenUrban | hermes... |
| 02:32.35 | Ice_Wewe | !seen rkr |
| 02:32.35 | TheLastSpartan | Ice_Wewe: rkr was last seen here 29 seconds ago saying: * rkr relocates to a less ibot-active channel. |
| 02:32.42 | BenUrban | hmm |
| 02:35.08 | Ice_Wewe | ~seen Ice_Wewe |
| 02:35.08 | ibot | ice_wewe is currently on #botpark (5m 59s) #bzflag (5m 59s). Has said a total of 127 messages. Is idling for 0s |
| 02:36.17 | purple_cow | no more bot chatter or things will get banney, got it? |
| 02:36.29 | Ice_Wewe | ok |
| 02:36.42 | purple_cow | that goes for all of you |
| 02:39.29 | trepan | dict banney ... sry ;-) |
| 02:44.17 | bryjen | Doing /flag reset after /flag up puts them back, but they can't be picked up. Using /flag reset unused works. Plain reset calls zapFlag(), with unused its resetFlag(). |
| 02:45.15 | bryjen | hrm. zapFlag() ends with a call to resetFlag() |
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| 05:08.36 | BinarySpike | Hi |
| 05:08.49 | BinarySpike | I'm still having trouble with my server... |
| 05:09.14 | BinarySpike | When I try to join I get "error connecting to server" |
| 05:09.27 | BinarySpike | The map and .conf are fine... |
| 05:09.48 | BinarySpike | So can I use "localhost" as the server? (on windows) |
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| 05:11.31 | BinarySpike | can I use "localhost" as the server when trying to connect to my computer? (on windows) |
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| 05:14.17 | BinarySpike | I guess nobody knows... nvm |
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| 06:15.06 | rkr | Boo. |
| 06:17.57 | Aribeth_away | ooB |
| 06:22.10 | brlcad | Boo.ooB |
| 06:29.50 | Aribeth_away | heh |
| 06:29.56 | ruskie | lo |
| 06:37.06 | rkr | Bah, humbug. |
| 06:37.10 | rkr | (^& |
| 06:37.20 | ruskie | lol |
| 06:38.07 | rkr | 'ooB" reminds me of Object Oriented COBOL...they were going to call it: ADD ONE TO COBOL GIVING NONSENSE. |
| 06:38.31 | rkr | (It helps if you actually have had some expsoure to COBOL...0 |
| 06:40.31 | ruskie | pascal, java, bash, some c/c++, ruby(still learning it) is about as much as I did... |
| 06:41.31 | rkr | ruby is only 1 letter away from rugby. |
| 06:41.47 | ruskie | :) |
| 06:42.33 | rkr | In its original conception, COBOL didn't support familiar arithmetic operators, I believe. They tried to force you to write English sentences. The idea was that then management could understand what their programmers were doing... |
| 06:42.49 | rkr | So you really did have things like: ADD ONE TO X GIVING Y. |
| 06:42.49 | ruskie | rotfl |
| 06:43.15 | ruskie | managment doesn't understand code... no matter how friendly and plain it is written |
| 06:43.36 | rkr | Yes, so it was discovered. And programmers found COBOL to be rather unfriendly and painful...(^& |
| 06:44.08 | ruskie | who would want to write ADD ONE TO X GIVING Y instead of Y = X++ |
| 06:44.16 | rkr | (And then there was INTERCAL...we won't go there, not least because I know very little about INTERCAL.) |
| 06:44.16 | ruskie | or something in that structure :) |
| 06:44.41 | rkr | No one, ruskie. That's why COBOL is feared and loathed... |
| 06:45.05 | rkr | The COBOL line is more equivalent to y = x + 1, though. |
| 06:45.20 | ruskie | I think if cobol would take off the keyboards spent on coding alone would have a rather high price... OR(which might be a good thing) we'd have high quality keyboards... |
| 06:45.45 | ruskie | rkr, well x++ == x+1 basicaly increment X by one iirc |
| 06:45.48 | rkr | We'd also have a lot of repetitive stress injuries in wrists and fingers. |
| 06:45.53 | rkr | Yes, ruskie, exactly. |
| 06:46.04 | rkr | "Add 1 to" doesn't mean change. It means "... + 1". |
| 06:46.12 | rkr | If you want to write X++ in COBOL, you'd write: |
| 06:46.16 | rkr | ADD ONE TO X GIVING X. |
| 06:46.22 | rkr | Or something like that. |
| 06:46.28 | rkr | Maybe ADD 1 to X giving X. |
| 06:46.28 | ruskie | ohhh |
| 06:46.34 | ruskie | well I woke up at 7:00 |
| 06:46.38 | rkr | (^& |
| 06:46.38 | ruskie | still biatching about it... |
| 06:46.47 | ruskie | I want to sleep till noonish |
| 06:46.55 | rkr | Don't worry. No one was meant to understand COBOL. |
| 06:47.00 | ruskie | just can't seem to be able to do it... |
| 06:47.46 | rkr | The one good thing about it compared to contemporary languages was that it proveded extended (fixed-at-compile-time, though, I Think) precision computation on fixed-point numbers. |
| 06:48.32 | rkr | The main alternative at the time was FORTRAN, I think, which only afforded native support of compiler-constant integer and floating point types. |
| 06:49.01 | rkr | Thankfully, that pretty well predated me. (^& |
| 06:49.08 | ruskie | well time for me to take out my anger with some bzflag... |
| 06:49.14 | rkr | (^& |
| 06:49.34 | rkr | Let me know if/when you play around with that script I sent you... |
| 06:50.00 | rkr | (And if you use it, I'd like to see the world maps you make with it.) |
| 06:51.13 | rkr | I'm off to the grocery store for a little bit. Back later. |
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| 11:23.06 | Ice_Wewe | ~seen Ice_Wewe |
| 11:23.06 | ibot | ice_wewe is currently on #botpark (6h 59m 24s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 0s |
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| 12:01.27 | Ice_Wewe | hey how come my aclocal isn't working? |
| 12:03.45 | Tupone | Ice_Wewe: have you installed automake? |
| 12:10.57 | Ice_Wewe | no |
| 12:11.13 | Ice_Wewe | thnaks |
| 12:11.16 | Ice_Wewe | thanks |
| 12:11.30 | rkr | Hm. In meshbox, what is smoothbounce for? (I assume that 'divisions' is for vertices in OpenGL lighting computations...() |
| 12:14.36 | cods | it's to bounce bullet according to the normal computed at the point of the bounce, rather than taking the normal of the whole face. |
| 12:14.40 | cods | (sorry for bad english) |
| 12:14.50 | rkr | Ah. (^& |
| 12:15.19 | rkr | So meshbox isn't a linear 'box' but is some kind of interpolated object? |
| 12:15.39 | rkr | (I'm looking at bzw(5), which is a little spare on explaining this...) |
| 12:16.04 | cods | what you mean by interpolated object ? |
| 12:16.05 | Ice_Wewe | where do I get c-ares |
| 12:16.10 | rkr | (bzw(5) has the grammar for a mesh and meshbox, but...) |
| 12:16.14 | Ice_Wewe | is it bundled with any other package? |
| 12:16.41 | Tupone | Ice_Wewe: what distribution you have |
| 12:16.44 | Ice_Wewe | mandrake |
| 12:17.13 | Tupone | ok. forget the warning. c-ares is already bundled with bzflag |
| 12:17.24 | Ice_Wewe | it is? |
| 12:17.28 | rkr | cods: I mean that you specify some control points and it produces an approximation to acurved surface. I guess I'm not using the term very well, and not even thinking very clearly about it... |
| 12:17.52 | Ice_Wewe | so then why is there a warning? |
| 12:18.53 | cods | with bzflag meshes, each point on each polygon can have a particular "normal", which can be used for computing various thing such as smooth ligthing or for the smoothbounce thing. |
| 12:18.55 | Tupone | 'cause is better that other product, like curl, use c-ares. If you install OS from source is fine |
| 12:19.05 | rkr | cods: Let me back up. I'm trying to build an inclined plane using either a mesh or a meshbox. For now, I'm happy to have it look like a regular box that has been rotated. |
| 12:19.33 | Tupone | but if you can recompile curl library .... better leave with the one is bundled in bzflag |
| 12:19.39 | rkr | I could, possibly, build a regular box and rotate it. But I'd also like to make it trapezoidal. |
| 12:19.54 | cods | rkr: then you have to define your own mesh object. |
| 12:20.14 | rkr | cods: Okay, thanks. (^& |
| 12:20.35 | rkr | I just make a simple, convex polygon for each "face", specifying points counterclockwise, right? |
| 12:20.44 | cods | rkr: right |
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| 12:21.30 | cods | for more complex shape, I suggest to use a modeler :) |
| 12:22.04 | rkr | (nod) So now I just have to work out from within my script which direction is counterclockwise... |
| 12:22.08 | rkr | I'm kind of using a modeler. |
| 12:22.14 | cods | or if you know Python, you may be interested by a script I made to generate bzflag maps |
| 12:22.18 | rkr | I'm writing a program to generate the surface from a description. |
| 12:22.41 | rkr | I know Python, but I've been fooling around with AWK for this. (^& |
| 12:23.08 | rkr | (I've played on your bunny-hunt map, and recall the notices that it was Python-generated... ) |
| 12:23.33 | cods | yup |
| 12:23.36 | rkr | (I was 2.718281828459045... But when I got around to trying to register that acceptable bzflag callsign, the web-site wouldn't accept it...) |
| 12:23.57 | rkr | (So I fell back to an old name I used on MUDs: Wendell. (^&) |
| 12:24.04 | cods | about bzmap, jpa made a short tutorial at http://www.kapsi.fi/~jpa/stuff/bzw/bzmap.php |
| 12:24.19 | cods | oh you're "e", ok :) |
| 12:24.23 | rkr | I've seen it, but lost the URL. Thanks. i should bookmark that or something. (^& |
| 12:24.42 | rkr | Yep, e I am. |
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| 12:25.41 | rkr | I might take a look at your Python script, if you have, or are using, some nice vector objects. |
| 12:26.02 | rkr | Otherwise, if I were to leave AWK behind, I'd probably convert to C++, where I have some nice vector & matrix objects home-grown. |
| 12:26.32 | rkr | (Or maybe octave, just to continue perversion...(^&) AWK isn't really so hot for vector computations. |
| 12:26.54 | cods | using a "scripting" language is better until you really need speed |
| 12:27.18 | rkr | (Fortunately, I haven't had to do much by way of vector math...and no matrices.) |
| 12:27.53 | cods | bzmap include some primitive classes and functions for geometric stuff (Plane, Line, Segment,.. classes, and functions to compute intersection between such objects, and so on) |
| 12:28.26 | rkr | bzmap is your Python program? |
| 12:28.38 | cods | yes, it's its name. |
| 12:29.35 | rkr | (nod) Maybe I'll take a look at it. (^& There comes a point in an AWK program where you begin to wish you hadn't started in AWK, if it lives long enough... |
| 12:29.37 | Ice_Wewe | g2g |
| 12:30.40 | rkr | (Lack of variable scoping is one of AWK's weaknesses.) |
| 12:30.59 | cods | notice however than building Tuxee map with bzmap take a long time (up to 1 minute).. so for complex world, it's not necessary a good thing. |
| 12:31.08 | cods | s/than/that/ |
| 12:31.33 | rkr | Tuxee has a lot of stuff in it... |
| 12:31.36 | cods | (it's why I want to rewrite it to another language..) |
| 12:32.06 | rkr | How fast is the computer that you use to generate the Tuxee map? |
| 12:32.11 | cods | yup, and lot of computation involved (CSG in particular) |
| 12:32.37 | rkr | (My AWK script, for the worlds it generates, is fast enough on my host that i regenerate the map every hour as part of the configuration rotation.) |
| 12:32.38 | cods | a Athlon XP@2GHz with 512MB.. |
| 12:32.47 | rkr | Ah, CSG...yeah, that would be nasty, I think. |
| 12:32.56 | rkr | (AMD64 3200 (2GHz) and 512MB, here.) |
| 12:33.38 | cods | CSG was first designed to be modular so that I can rewrite it to C++ for example. |
| 12:33.40 | rkr | (The generated world is a little over a quarter meg, at present. Almost all of that comes from large numbers of box objects.) |
| 12:34.17 | cods | rabbit map (text output) is 1.6MB |
| 12:34.23 | rkr | (I wanted to make walkable ramps, using the 2.0 "bump" feature. But walking up such ramps is slow, and people tend to get stuck.) |
| 12:35.21 | rkr | Takes about .08 seconds to build my 277000 or so byte all-boxes world. |
| 12:35.35 | rkr | All it does is make stairs, though. Linear and helical. |
| 12:37.01 | cods | you're using meshbox ? |
| 12:37.25 | rkr | No. I originally just used plain boxes. You can't walk up mesh type objects. |
| 12:37.45 | rkr | But people keep getting stuck on plain boxes, so i'm going to try converting to meshes and just tell people to jump. |
| 12:37.58 | rkr | It'll also let me make my objects smoother, in the process. |
| 12:38.46 | rkr | jpe's web-page seems mostly to talk about using bzmap, rather than the bzw objects underlying them... |
| 12:39.32 | cods | yes, this page is a tutorial for bzmap. |
| 12:39.35 | rkr | I assume that you can have multiple "face" entries for a single mesh. I seem to recall an iearly experiment that gave me troubles with that... |
| 12:40.18 | cods | btw, bzmap only generate mesh object, and don't use other objects (such as meshbox, arc, pyramid,..) except teleporter. |
| 12:40.35 | rkr | (nod) |
| 12:44.58 | rkr | In a mesh object, what are inside/outside points for? Just to give hints to bzflag? |
| 12:45.32 | cods | More than hints. They're necessary to compute if tank is inside mesh or not. |
| 12:45.58 | rkr | So you have to have at least one inside and/or outside point? |
| 12:46.00 | Pimpinella | trepan advises to only use them if really neccessary |
| 12:46.01 | cods | for usual box, you just need to put an inside point in the center |
| 12:46.19 | rkr | (nod) |
| 12:46.28 | Pimpinella | so try without using insides outsides at all |
| 12:46.45 | rkr | (But you'd need several if you have an object with several "insides"?) |
| 12:46.48 | Pimpinella | if you encounter problems try ading insides and/or outsides |
| 12:46.53 | cods | hmm, without that you can drive through objects, no ? |
| 12:47.02 | Pimpinella | no |
| 12:48.49 | Pimpinella | i had a mesh that covered a tank with oo, but didn't seal it e.g. |
| 12:48.56 | Pimpinella | an inside fixed this |
| 12:49.44 | Pimpinella | according to trepan in/outsides can have tricky side effects, so he advises to use them only if neccessary |
| 12:49.47 | rkr | So do I, or do I not, need inside points for simple shapes (essentially a trapezoidal prism)? |
| 12:50.22 | Pimpinella | try without, if you encounter problems add an inside |
| 12:52.51 | rkr | (I have two end-points for the shape, not necessarily lying in a plane. The direction vector between them, of course, is just the delta of the coords. But now I need to know the side-to-side vector and essentially the normal of the "top"...the obvious way is get the top surface normal by gram-schmitting the delta vector and +z... |
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| 12:53.38 | rkr | I guess that may be the cleanest way... |
| 12:53.56 | Ice_Wewe | how do I make an rpm of the bzflag I just compiled? |
| 12:54.38 | cods | rkr: what you mean by "side-to-side vector" ? |
| 12:54.39 | Ice_Wewe | hello? |
| 12:54.59 | Ice_Wewe | can someone help me? |
| 12:55.02 | rkr | Ice_wewe: Heard your question. I'm using BSD so I have no idea about making RPMs. (^& |
| 12:55.27 | Ice_Wewe | ok |
| 12:55.29 | cods | same for me, no idea about RPM (using Gentoo..) |
| 12:55.37 | Ice_Wewe | lol |
| 12:55.41 | Ice_Wewe | cods, what version? |
| 12:55.44 | rkr | cods: I mean "forwards"/"backwards" would be up/down the inclined plane. "Side-to-side" is the other dimension of the plane on the top of the object. |
| 12:55.45 | Ice_Wewe | 2005.0? |
| 12:55.47 | cods | there is no version with gentoo |
| 12:55.56 | Ice_Wewe | oh, ok |
| 12:56.01 | cods | (I don't see why it's a funny) |
| 12:56.09 | cods | -a |
| 12:56.37 | rkr | Maybe I should define the object in the x/y plane and apply a spin to get it where I want it? |
| 12:57.09 | rkr | (I did something similar, but with "rotation", to make the boxes for steps.) |
| 12:57.11 | cods | rkr: I guess my english is probably too limited to understand you. I don't understand what you want to achieve :/ |
| 12:58.13 | rkr | Oh, um, Okay, are you familiar with the Gram-Schmit process for producing an orthonormal basis in linear algebra? (The terms may be too English-specific, but at least they are mathematically precise; I'm hoping that they are standard enough...) |
| 12:59.07 | rkr | (You probably know the process if you have had a linear algebra course, but maybe the terms are different...) |
| 12:59.33 | cods | I don't see what is it here (from the name at least) |
| 12:59.43 | rkr | Okay. |
| 13:00.23 | rkr | Have you had a course in linear algebra (as in, a college level course dedicated just to the topic), or some other course beyond Calculus that features lots of vectors and matrices? |
| 13:00.58 | rkr | (If so, I can outline the process and it will probably begin to sound familiar. Otherwise, I can explain but may have to say more before it becomes apparent...) |
| 13:01.23 | cods | I think I've some problem with terminology :) |
| 13:01.27 | rkr | (Of course...you may not care to know what I'm talking about. (^& And I should get going before too long...) |
| 13:01.32 | rkr | Okay. |
| 13:01.40 | cods | I had to use lots of thing for bzmap (in particular for the CSG algorithm) |
| 13:02.02 | cods | but I could not name precisely all theses things. |
| 13:02.28 | rkr | A spanning set is a collection of vectors v1, v2, ... by which you can form a linear combination to describe any point in space. |
| 13:02.46 | rkr | For example, (1,0,0),(0,1,0) is a spanning set of the x/y plane in 3D space. |
| 13:03.04 | rkr | (1,0,0),(1,1,0) is also a spanning set of the same space. |
| 13:03.23 | rkr | And so is (1,0,0),(1,1,0),(0,1,0). |
| 13:03.29 | cods | ok, as long as they're not colinear |
| 13:03.42 | rkr | A basis is a *minimal* spanning set for the space in question. |
| 13:04.09 | rkr | That is, a basis has no "redundant" elements. So the first two spanning sets are bases for the x/y subspace, but the third has too many vectors, so is not a basis. |
| 13:04.26 | rkr | The dimension of a space can be thought of as the number of vectors in a basis for the space. |
| 13:04.54 | rkr | So, since (1,0,0),(1,1,0) is a basis for x/y subspace of 3D space, the x/y subspace is 2D. |
| 13:05.13 | cods | ok |
| 13:05.40 | rkr | An "orthonormal basis" is a basis where all vectors are orthogonal to each other (ortho-) and of unit length (normalized). |
| 13:05.54 | rkr | So, (1,0,0),(0,1,0) is ortho normal. |
| 13:06.27 | cods | ok |
| 13:06.27 | rkr | (1,0,0),(1,1,0) is not, as the two vectors are not orthogonal to each other (Their dot product is not 0) and the second one isn't even of unit length. |
| 13:06.55 | rkr | So, what Gram-Schmit does for us is lets us take *any* spanning set of vectors and pop out an ortho-normal basis for the same space. |
| 13:07.13 | cods | ok, I understand. |
| 13:07.39 | rkr | I can explain how Gram-Schmit (I may be butchering their names) works, if you like. It's actually kinda neat. (^& |
| 13:07.46 | cods | so, givin a vector (from the 2 end-points) you want to compute another "orthonormal basis" (a 3D space) ? |
| 13:08.32 | cods | s/givin/given/ |
| 13:08.59 | rkr | Yeah, basically. |
| 13:09.25 | rkr | It would help to have a picture, but I think we're talking about hte same thing. |
| 13:09.55 | cods | I compute such thing with bzmap, for example for mapping texture where I translate the 3d space to another 3d space that match the face to map. |
| 13:10.08 | rkr | What I had in mind was to start with the delta vector from point 1 to point 2, and then get an orthogonal vector that adds "upness" (+z). |
| 13:10.34 | rkr | That is, an ortho normal basis for {delta_vector, (0,0,1)}. |
| 13:10.59 | cods | this delta_vector can be in any direction ? |
| 13:11.29 | rkr | Delta vector is (vector1 - vector2), but yes, can be any direction essentially. |
| 13:11.33 | cods | what happen if it's (0,0,1) ? |
| 13:11.49 | rkr | Of course, if delta_vector is colinear with +z, the O.N. basis is just (0,0,1) or (0,0,-1) which isn't any good. (^& |
| 13:12.00 | rkr | But I don't want to allow vertical ramps... |
| 13:12.05 | rkr | ...so that's okay. (^& |
| 13:12.24 | cods | hmm, ok. The 2 points describe a "ramp" path ? |
| 13:12.29 | rkr | The idea is that you specify a ramp-start and ramp-end in 3D space and the program ... |
| 13:12.31 | rkr | yes. |
| 13:12.32 | rkr | Exactly. |
| 13:12.37 | cods | and you want to describe a face along this path for a given width. |
| 13:12.49 | rkr | (Or a varying width from p1 to p2, but yes.) |
| 13:14.01 | rkr | Doing Gram-Schmit only requires dot products (x1*x2 + y1*y2 + z1*z2), but even that sounds a bit tedious in AWK. I'm trying to avoid AWK's weaknesses. (^& |
| 13:15.08 | rkr | (Well, dot products and square roots and multiplying vectors by scalars and doing vector+vector arithmetic...(^&) |
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| 13:16.39 | cods | I use the following thing in bzmap: I compute delta_vector, then project vector on X/Y (Z to 0, then normalizing) then I compute a third 3 vectors (vector product) then from delta_vector and this result, I compute a third vector (vector product too) |
| 13:16.46 | cods | the 3 vectors are orthogonal |
| 13:17.06 | cods | plus normalizing step at some place. |
| 13:17.30 | rkr | The way you get the second vector is a Gram-Schmit process. |
| 13:17.34 | cods | s/vector product/cross product/ I mean |
| 13:18.10 | rkr | The way you get the third vector is fine if you have an easy vector product/cross product, but since I Don't have those already in AWK, I'd probably just do another Gram-schmid process. |
| 13:18.50 | rkr | The full way I'd do this justusing Gram Schmit would be to get an O.N. basis from {delta_vector,(0,0,1),(1,0,0),(0,1,0)}, in that order. |
| 13:19.07 | rkr | (The order of the last two doesn't matter, but the first two should be first, and in that order.) |
| 13:20.03 | cods | about my method (but I don't know how Gram Schmit work) this is just computation, nothing algorithmic. |
| 13:20.05 | rkr | (You continue the Gram Schmit process by projecting the third vector onto the first two vectors, and subtracting out whatever is in those directions, then normalizing. then project the 4th vector onto the first 3...) |
| 13:20.20 | rkr | (nod) |
| 13:21.31 | rkr | You basically know Gram Schmit if you wrote that bit of code. It's not a complicated process, really. |
| 13:22.01 | cods | then problem is really about terminology :) (so important) |
| 13:22.09 | rkr | All that you're missing is stepping up to more than 2 vectors, using just dot products. If I didn't make it clear how to do it already, you can probably work it out if you're inclined. (^& |
| 13:22.09 | rkr | (nod) |
| 13:22.16 | rkr | Pictures would help here. |
| 13:22.50 | rkr | Anyway, that's what I'm after. And my little AWK program doesn't do either dot products or vector (or cross, whichever you prefer) products. |
| 13:23.09 | rkr | I could teach it to do them, but I'm trying to avoid that. (^& |
| 13:24.24 | rkr | I think I can ask bzflag to rotate ("spin") the objects for me. Otherwise, I should consider moving to an more natural language for doing vectors... |
| 13:25.35 | rkr | Anyway. I need to run. Thanks for the help with bzw stuff. I may take a look at the Python code...is it available from jpe's page? |
| 13:25.37 | cods | yup, AWK is probably not the best tool for this task.. |
| 13:25.52 | cods | it's available from http://bzflag.tuxee.net |
| 13:26.13 | cods | (you've to dig a little.. No direct tar.gz available, only Arch repository for latest version) |
| 13:27.12 | rkr | Okay, thanks. |
| 13:27.42 | rkr | If you're planning on moving to a C++ version and are interested in some assistance, let me know. I might be interested. (^& |
| 13:27.51 | rkr | I'm off (but will stay logged in). |
| 13:27.54 | cods | hmm, I'm planning to move to Common Lisp.. |
| 13:28.24 | rkr | LISP is cool, too, though I know Scheme better than Common LISP...(^& |
| 13:28.30 | rkr | (And I don't know CLOS at all.) |
| 13:28.41 | cods | but people such as Thumper who use bzmap are not really happy with that :) |
| 13:29.25 | rkr | (^& If you're interested in discussing the idea of myhelp (assuming that it's not really a 1-person job), mail me: |
| 13:29.26 | rkr | rkr@olib.org |
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| 13:37.07 | cods | rkr: ok, noted. |
| 13:43.13 | menotume | hellos orchid |
| 13:43.27 | orchid | hi |
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| 14:42.43 | help_me | Hi so long |
| 14:45.49 | blast007_work | BenUrban: hehe |
| 14:46.18 | BenUrban | hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii <-- hi so long |
| 14:46.26 | blast007_work | :) |
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| 15:22.45 | rkr | Hey, _bubbles_...your IRC login implies that you're in Toronto. is that true? |
| 15:28.57 | rkr | Hm. In defining mesh faces, do I have to do them counterclockwise? Or would clockwise also be okay? |
| 15:29.15 | trepan | they're singles-ided |
| 15:29.26 | trepan | s/s-/-s |
| 15:29.57 | rkr | I was afraid of that. |
| 15:30.21 | rkr | And it can't work out the winding if I specify an "inside" point? (^& |
| 15:30.34 | trepan | (unless you specify noculling on a mesh object, which still won't affect the physics) |
| 15:31.12 | rkr | Okay. Thanks. |
| 15:31.38 | rkr | Hm. I could cheat and make a 0-thickness object...just two face planes...(^& |
| 15:32.06 | trepan | yup, that's the lazy way |
| 15:32.31 | rkr | The problem is I don't really want to start doing dot & cross products in AWK... |
| 15:32.38 | trepan | then forget AWK |
| 15:32.50 | rkr | I can't forget AWK. It's etched into my brain. (^& |
| 15:34.09 | trepan | use a modeller... a decent one will do whatever you're trying to do, but with more flexibility :) |
| 15:34.16 | trepan | and a visual representation to boot |
| 15:34.51 | rkr | No, it won't. I'm trying to transform a text description of an object (e.g., a ramp) into bzflag primitives. |
| 15:35.12 | rkr | A modeler would be crazy; I'd be manually fudging points with a mouse, and for complex helical ramps, it would be insane. |
| 15:35.14 | rkr | (^& |
| 15:35.38 | rkr | And I don't know of any bzflag modelers other than the WIN32 one, which has the obvious restriction of running under MS-Windows. |
| 15:35.58 | rkr | It's not that hard to write dot & cross products in AWK, just clumsy to deal with them. |
| 15:35.59 | trepan | and here i thought you were working with meshes... |
| 15:36.13 | trepan | wings3d, blender, AOI, K3D, etc... |
| 15:36.16 | rkr | If I were to give up, I'd use cods's Python code. |
| 15:36.44 | rkr | Last I looked at blender, it didn't work so well. Haven't heard of the others. |
| 15:36.57 | rkr | And I didn't know that blender had a bzw export feature. (^& |
| 15:37.20 | cods | no direct export, but there is tools to convert one format support by blender to bzw. |
| 15:37.29 | cods | support->supported |
| 15:37.33 | rkr | (yes, meshes, by the way) |
| 15:37.34 | trepan | and wings3d has a native bzw exporter |
| 15:37.55 | Aribeth_away | thanks to trepan ;) |
| 15:39.00 | trepan | rkr: heh, "it didn't work so well" ... care to be more specific? |
| 15:39.01 | rkr | find /usr/pkgsrc | grep -i wings |
| 15:39.02 | Aribeth_away | hi Trepan |
| 15:39.03 | rkr | No matches. |
| 15:39.29 | blast007_work | http://www.wings3d.com/ |
| 15:39.33 | rkr | Not a very popular editor. It'd probably take more effort to port it and get it cleanly installed as a package than to fix this problem. |
| 15:39.54 | Aribeth_away | rkr, Linux? |
| 15:39.59 | Tupone | netbsd |
| 15:40.02 | rkr | Re. blender: Maybe if I could remember, sure. (^& I can't keep going back to check on it every little bit. |
| 15:40.10 | rkr | Aribeth: No. |
| 15:40.51 | Aribeth_away | wings has a source tarball. you should be able to build from that |
| 15:42.10 | rkr | Aribeth: Not everything is as it should be. People often assume that all-the-world's a VAX^WDOS^WLINUX box. |
| 15:42.11 | trepan | hiya Ari, belated |
| 15:43.05 | Aribeth_away | i said you should be able to. worth a try |
| 15:43.08 | rkr | And that's just porting. I wouldn't want to install it without proper package tracking or I'd have a mess when I inadvertantly remove a shared library it requires, etc. |
| 15:43.51 | rkr | My experience with modern applications is that it's *not* worth a try until one is desperate. (^& I'm not desperate yet. A long ways from that, in fact. |
| 15:44.08 | Aribeth_away | ok |
| 15:44.15 | rkr | (^& But thanks for the suggestion. |
| 15:44.26 | rkr | I'll bear it in mind in case I get to that point. |
| 15:44.38 | Aribeth_away | :) |
| 15:45.14 | Aribeth_away | orchid, hi |
| 15:45.26 | orchid | hey Aribeth_away |
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| 15:50.28 | bEe_ | hi |
| 15:50.34 | orchid | ~google supybot |
| 15:51.15 | bEe_ | how can i disable on-screen statictic (points/names etc) ? |
| 15:51.28 | orchid | press s |
| 15:51.48 | orchid | s toggles the scoreboard |
| 15:52.01 | bEe_ | does not help |
| 15:52.27 | blast007_work | there is also a more detail breakdown of scores, that is toggled with the 'home' key..try that |
| 15:52.32 | blast007_work | detailed* |
| 15:53.00 | bEe_ | home just toggle another text |
| 15:53.04 | blast007_work | oh, and the scoreboard will always show if you are dead |
| 15:53.13 | bEe_ | ko :) |
| 15:53.15 | bEe_ | ok :) |
| 15:53.24 | bEe_ | yeah |
| 15:53.25 | bEe_ | nice |
| 15:53.28 | bEe_ | thanks a lot |
| 15:53.33 | blast007_work | :) |
| 15:55.47 | Birdie | hi orchid |
| 15:56.01 | orchid | hello |
| 16:00.41 | bEe_ | there are some strange tanks |
| 16:00.44 | bEe_ | without body |
| 16:00.50 | bEe_ | just with a gun |
| 16:01.03 | bEe_ | and also some 2d tanks |
| 16:01.10 | bEe_ | what are they? |
| 16:09.17 | rkr | Can faces have any number of vertices, or must they only have 3 vertices, in a mesh? |
| 16:09.47 | cods | any number |
| 16:10.04 | rkr | Hm. |
| 16:10.23 | trepan | faces must be coplanar and convex |
| 16:10.36 | rkr | So faces\nvertices 0 1 2 3\nendface is fine, as long as the polygon is simple & convex? |
| 16:11.19 | rkr | (\n for linefeeds. (^&) |
| 16:11.28 | cods | yes |
| 16:11.36 | trepan | bzw.5 is a handy reference |
| 16:15.07 | rkr | I'm using bzw(5). |
| 16:15.24 | rkr | It's a bit brief on mesh details. Nothing about clockwise requirements, for example. |
| 16:15.47 | rkr | (Err, counterclockwise.) |
| 16:16.00 | trepan | but very specific here... vertices 1 4 0 3 5 # list of vertices (requires at least three) |
| 16:16.14 | blast007_work | bEe_: some 2d tanks? might be tanks with the Narrow flag, cuz that makes them paper thin :) |
| 16:16.26 | rkr | Yes, but my object wasn't appearing. Given the skimpiness, I was wondering if it was also incorrect. (^& |
| 16:16.46 | rkr | It seems that my vertices were not co-planar; must be a bit of dumb vector arith somewhere... |
| 16:16.47 | blast007_work | as for the tanks without a body, I'm not sure what's going on...that isn't normal |
| 16:16.56 | rkr | (On my part, of course. (^& now trying to fix that...) |
| 16:17.11 | rkr | (Possibly also not simple/convex...) |
| 16:19.55 | Birdie | DTRemenak: you've send that mail you promised? got answer? able to fix? |
| 16:20.45 | DTRemenak | yes, got answer, he did not keep a corefile or backtrace, and was not taking logs |
| 16:22.01 | Birdie | = can easely be fixed? |
| 16:22.40 | DTRemenak | no, not enough information |
| 16:28.18 | bEe_ | mcop warning: user defined signal handler found for SIG_PIPE, overriding |
| 16:28.18 | bEe_ | Fatal signal: Segmentation Fault (SDL Parachute Deployed) |
| 16:28.23 | bEe_ | why this error? |
| 16:28.31 | bEe_ | that's from my friend |
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| 16:37.38 | rkr | Can you specify a single "normal" per face, in "mesh"? (I assume, then, once before each face.) If you don't specify one, does bzflag compute a normal automatically? |
| 16:40.06 | cods | yes (trepan will correct me if I'm wrong :) ) |
| 16:40.14 | cods | yes for the second question |
| 16:40.16 | cods | for the first, no. |
| 16:40.33 | cods | since normal are per vertices anyway. |
| 16:40.48 | rkr | Per vertex? Ah.... |
| 16:41.03 | cods | well, different for each face |
| 16:41.10 | cods | I mean the vertex for a specific face |
| 16:41.37 | cods | even if shared among several faces, they've a specific normal per face. |
| 16:44.27 | cods | I hope I'm not confusing you too much with my terminology.. |
| 16:44.27 | rkr | (nod) |
| 16:44.30 | rkr | (^& |
| 16:44.39 | rkr | I understand, I believe. |
| 16:44.56 | rkr | The "vertex" data is just coords, as per glVertex(); the normal as per glNormal(). |
| 16:44.59 | rkr | Yes? |
| 16:45.27 | cods | I don't know OpenGL at all. |
| 16:45.31 | rkr | (^& |
| 16:46.15 | rkr | Okay. sounds OpenGL-ish. |
| 16:46.37 | rkr | Well, after that exercise in mesh objects, I'm not sure that it's an improvement. |
| 16:46.53 | rkr | I guess it makes for smaller files. |
| 16:47.19 | rkr | But you can still get stuck, and you can't walk up ramps at all, now; have to set _noClimb=0 and players must always jump. |
| 16:47.29 | rkr | Oh well. |
| 16:47.31 | trepan | ~pw |
| 16:47.32 | ibot | hmm... patches welcome is a common response by maintainers of Open Source products. It's roughly means "We don't have much time on our hands, so if you write that feature and send it to us we will likely roll it in. If you don't have the time to write it, we don't either. Stop asking for it." |
| 16:48.12 | rkr | (^& |
| 16:48.18 | rkr | We must all pick our battles. |
| 16:48.58 | rkr | I'm looking at the "using bzflag" level, not fixing it. |
| 16:49.27 | rkr | If I really were going to patch bzflag, i'd be looking at letting tanks tilt. |
| 16:49.40 | rkr | But that's not a "pw" modification, I gather, so... |
| 16:50.52 | rkr | Doing helix-stairs with meshes (nicely) will probably necessetate parting with AWK... |
| 16:51.01 | rkr | (sigh) (^& |
| 16:52.05 | cods | what matter is the complexity of the final world inside each client (for speed consideration). After that, intermediate step are only details :) |
| 16:53.01 | rkr | Yes...that's what I'm thinking about...AWK isn't too array friendly, so I'd have huge number of little meshes, rather than one big mesh. I assume that that would make a difference. (^& |
| 16:53.47 | cods | Not sure about that. I think that a single mesh to describe the whole world is as fast as several meshes. |
| 16:54.19 | trepan | nope, combined can be quite faster, depends on the topology |
| 16:54.43 | trepan | individual meshes can help with culling |
| 16:55.37 | trepan | combined meshes help pipe the data through more quickly, and take less time to process the culling (although less likely to get clipped due to their larger size) |
| 16:59.28 | rkr | Hm... |
| 16:59.51 | rkr | Any guidelines on that, then, or is it "try it and see"? |
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| 18:47.11 | rkr | By the way, what kinds of problems might one experience that would make one want to use an "inside point" for meshes? |
| 18:47.21 | rkr | Or does anyone presently logged in know? |
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| 18:58.08 | blast007_work | rkr: I think that an inside point makes things like OO work better (so it know what is considered 'inside' the object) |
| 18:58.35 | blast007_work | but I haven't personally used them yet, so I'm not sure of what all it does |
| 19:08.01 | cods | it's also interesting for flag position and for bullet to bounce correctly. |
| 19:08.34 | cods | you get flags in building for custom mesh if inside points are not/badly defined, for example. |
| 19:09.26 | ruskie | fun fun fun... today was a fun day... to bad so many incompetent players out there... |
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| 19:22.29 | _Manu_ | ruskie, problems? :) |
| 19:22.43 | ruskie | nope |
| 19:22.51 | ruskie | other then a ton of tkers |
| 19:22.53 | ruskie | lagers |
| 19:23.07 | ruskie | and incompetent players who don't have a clue what to cap means |
| 19:23.22 | _Manu_ | heh, it happens :) |
| 19:24.24 | ruskie | other then that it was a great day to die(to paraphrase a klingon proverb) |
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| 20:59.01 | CBG | Bots cant jump or pick up flags, right? But can Roger? |
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| 21:00.50 | blast007 | :) |
| 21:00.57 | brad2901 | hi CBG:) |
| 21:01.17 | CBG | Do either of you know if Roger can pick up flags or jump? |
| 21:01.29 | blast007 | yes, he can do both |
| 21:01.30 | brad2901 | It can |
| 21:01.34 | brad2901 | he |
| 21:01.35 | brad2901 | * |
| 21:01.36 | brad2901 | :) |
| 21:01.38 | CBG | wow. :) |
| 21:01.50 | blast007 | and I think it can jump over buildings that are in the way |
| 21:02.07 | CBG | but it says [auto] in the playerlist, right? Theres no way to turn that off? |
| 21:02.14 | blast007 | nope |
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| 21:02.31 | brad2901 | eh |
| 21:02.55 | CBG | I came across a tank that deffinately didnt seem to be conrtolled by a human. But it jumped, picked up flags, etc without a [auto] thing. |
| 21:03.19 | CBG | (it also had no numbers after the name like 01 which would have suggested it was a bot) |
| 21:03.28 | blast007 | hmmm |
| 21:03.28 | brad2901 | That's a bug, if you join after they put the autopilot on you won't see the [auto] bit |
| 21:03.40 | blast007 | ah |
| 21:03.42 | CBG | ohh! wow. |
| 21:03.47 | CBG | Neat! |
| 21:03.50 | brad2901 | the==they |
| 21:04.05 | CBG | So I could run bzfs, join straight away, set it to auto and go out... |
| 21:04.08 | brad2901 | nooo |
| 21:04.09 | brad2901 | nvm |
| 21:04.12 | brad2901 | yup |
| 21:04.13 | CBG | everyone would be talking to roger. hehe |
| 21:04.16 | brad2901 | You could |
| 21:04.19 | brad2901 | :) |
| 21:04.30 | CBG | Neat. :D |
| 21:04.32 | CBG | Thanks guys. |
| 21:04.35 | brad2901 | It's pretty obvious to spot roger though.. |
| 21:04.45 | CBG | lol... not if the player sucks anyway :P |
| 21:04.48 | blast007 | yeah, all the jittering when he's close to you ;) |
| 21:04.50 | brad2901 | ;) |
| 21:04.52 | brad2901 | yup |
| 21:05.22 | CBG | btw brad: what _is_ "2901" ? |
| 21:05.37 | brad2901 | It's a top secret, sorry... ;) |
| 21:12.54 | brad2901 | :) |
| 21:13.26 | CBG | Damn you, you, you, you chees-string! |
| 21:13.39 | brad2901 | hooookaaaaay |
| 21:14.02 | CBG | Hookey? Hooker? Well... if ya have ta pay for it.... |
| 21:14.10 | brad2901 | ... |
| 21:17.26 | CBG | if (brad2901 == loser) {print "CheeseString"} else {print "."} |
| 21:17.30 | CBG | cheesestring |
| 21:17.44 | brad2901 | meh |
| 21:17.45 | webriot | lol |
| 21:17.50 | brad2901 | I see a . |
| 21:17.57 | CBG | How was the syntax ? |
| 21:18.19 | webriot | looks like really sloppy Perl >.< |
| 21:18.20 | CBG | I'm still learning - trying to use PHP wherever I can. :P |
| 21:18.27 | webriot | ahh |
| 21:18.30 | CBG | lol |
| 21:18.31 | webriot | I was right :-P |
| 21:18.41 | CBG | LOL!! |
| 21:22.28 | brad2901 | anyway.. why cheesestring? |
| 21:22.37 | CBG | why not? |
| 21:22.52 | brad2901 | hmm, ok |
| 21:23.02 | CBG | ko ,mmh |
| 21:23.09 | webriot | hahaha |
| 21:23.20 | webriot | why does azureus lag me so damn much? |
| 21:23.25 | webriot | oh oops |
| 21:23.27 | webriot | dang |
| 21:23.33 | webriot | sorry, ops |
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| 21:45.47 | Birdie | ok this is strange: |
| 21:45.57 | Birdie | 2 players joined from same ip at same moment |
| 21:46.03 | Birdie | i dont think they are bots |
| 21:46.07 | Birdie | and if i try to pm |
| 21:46.24 | Birdie | one doesnt come in the list when i move with my arrow keys in all names |
| 21:46.30 | Birdie | other one does.. |
| 21:46.35 | Birdie | some one explanation? |
| 21:49.18 | orchid | both are playing though? not obs? |
| 21:49.38 | Birdie | yes |
| 21:49.58 | Birdie | ah one doesnt have udp+ |
| 21:50.04 | Birdie | the one i cant send a pm to |
| 21:50.09 | Birdie | but shouldnt he be auto kicked? |
| 21:50.11 | orchid | :) |
| 21:50.25 | orchid | depends if the servers configured for that |
| 21:50.38 | orchid | -requireudp might be off or is it defaut now |
| 21:50.59 | purple_cow | could be two guys on a nat |
| 21:51.08 | purple_cow | dunno about the list thing |
| 21:51.14 | webriot | hm |
| 21:51.32 | webriot | i think UDP is default now |
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| 22:01.25 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: well, i'm getting close to having 1 of the 2 requirements for an open-source game |
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| 22:13.17 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, logo and a bad SF website? |
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| 22:14.46 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: no. |
| 22:14.48 | purple_cow | a main menu! |
| 22:14.52 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, I see |
| 22:16.11 | JeffM2501 | using the CEGUI stuff from oger? |
| 22:16.12 | purple_cow | and i'd actually be working on it, except i seem to have been sucked into scary go round =/ |
| 22:16.14 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: yeah |
| 22:16.25 | JeffM2501 | how do you like it? |
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| 22:17.05 | purple_cow | haven't really figured out too much of it yet |
| 22:17.15 | purple_cow | just hacked together a frame listener which dispatches events into CEGUI |
| 22:18.47 | JeffM2501 | fun fun |
| 22:19.06 | JeffM2501 | I just put more hardware then god into a pile for throwin away |
| 22:19.56 | purple_cow | oh yeah, you're moving imminently, aren't you |
| 22:20.23 | JeffM2501 | tomorow |
| 22:20.32 | JeffM2501 | I'm on the last real room |
| 22:20.59 | JeffM2501 | is it sad to throw out a 733 celly? |
| 22:22.36 | purple_cow | not if you don't have a use for it |
| 22:22.40 | JeffM2501 | wow, now THIS, shows my age |
| 22:22.51 | JeffM2501 | a 30 pin sim to 72 pin simm adapter |
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| 22:23.04 | purple_cow | see, now that you should toss |
| 22:23.13 | JeffM2501 | yeah, no use for the celly, I have a semperon 2700 not being used |
| 22:23.29 | JeffM2501 | found some old double height EDO dimms too |
| 22:23.33 | JeffM2501 | they were HUGE |
| 22:23.38 | JeffM2501 | all for 64 megs :) |
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| 22:36.27 | webriot | P2P fails when evil men leech :-( |
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