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| 00:19.42 | jeffm2501 | must.... not... spend... lots.. of ...money..... |
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| 00:51.13 | bz8195 | any of you guys know a guy "fafane" |
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| 01:18.52 | bryjen | lots of money on what? |
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| 01:57.40 | supertanker13 | hi |
| 01:57.47 | durt | hello |
| 01:58.06 | supertanker13 | did I just see you on a ctf game? |
| 01:58.14 | supertanker13 | oh wait that was someone else |
| 01:58.17 | supertanker13 | nevermind |
| 01:59.07 | durt | i have not played in hours |
| 01:59.34 | supertanker13 | I made my world highest score today: 56 |
| 01:59.51 | supertanker13 | with the help of a few genos, a large opposing team, and gms |
| 02:00.12 | durt | nasty |
| 02:00.24 | supertanker13 | Yeah then somone hit u... |
| 02:00.34 | supertanker13 | my score went down the drain... |
| 02:00.45 | supertanker13 | it was still fun though, and MAN that was a lot of explosions |
| 02:01.49 | durt | i always have a large negative score... |
| 02:02.17 | supertanker13 | I did when I started...i didnt really care about the score, mostly i cared about making things go BOOM! |
| 02:02.49 | durt | lol |
| 02:05.04 | supertanker13 | so thats why I fell in love with SW |
| 02:05.36 | durt | how long have you been playing? |
| 02:05.40 | supertanker13 | In one of my maps, (seaport) there is this little floating ship thing, I get all the bots stuck under it, go find an sw......."Hey, maw, its raining tanks today!" |
| 02:05.51 | supertanker13 | about 1-2 years I think |
| 02:06.15 | supertanker13 | i started making levels since about 2 months afte I started...Seaport was my first... |
| 02:07.16 | durt | i take it you like bzflag then |
| 02:07.52 | supertanker13 | I luv it...except for secretplace |
| 02:08.05 | supertanker13 | No I have not been banned there... |
| 02:08.33 | supertanker13 | I am just really angry at wiz for banning some plaers (5 or six to be exact) who didn't do anything, while I was there |
| 02:08.43 | supertanker13 | its like one of them he said had a bad username |
| 02:08.56 | supertanker13 | The name was like "Tank-Killer-Dude" or something |
| 02:10.01 | durt | thats not very nice :( |
| 02:10.29 | supertanker13 | I know |
| 02:10.33 | supertanker13 | Thats why I never go there |
| 02:11.08 | supertanker13 | That, plus the fact that the ammount of players makes me lag like molasses in january...which I why I like observing |
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| 02:11.25 | supertanker13 | hi jeff |
| 02:11.45 | supertanker13 | anyways, this afternoon in bzflag was quite fun |
| 02:11.54 | supertanker13 | Especialy when everyone started hunting me... |
| 02:12.25 | durt | and then you raped them all huh |
| 02:12.48 | supertanker13 | what? I left shortly after my score dropped from 52 or whatever it was to about -24 |
| 02:13.17 | supertanker13 | and then I joined another server and just drove around like an idiot and somehow i didn't die that much |
| 02:14.08 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: what were you trying not to spend money on? |
| 02:14.49 | JeffM2501 | XP 3800+ X2 and mobo for 379 |
| 02:15.03 | supertanker13 | Oooo... |
| 02:16.03 | JeffM2501 | I'd have got it, if I didn't have to go get a new video card if I did too |
| 02:17.46 | supertanker13 | I definitely would have gotten it... |
| 02:18.41 | JeffM2501 | and put what video card in it? |
| 02:19.22 | supertanker13 | it didn't have a vid card? |
| 02:19.35 | supertanker13 | I would have used the rest of the money in my bank account to get a good one |
| 02:19.45 | JeffM2501 | did I say it had a video card? |
| 02:19.57 | JeffM2501 | supertanker13, and how would you pay rent? and eat? |
| 02:20.07 | JeffM2501 | it wasn't a new computer |
| 02:20.11 | JeffM2501 | just a mobo and CPU |
| 02:20.18 | supertanker13 | what the heck is a mobo? |
| 02:20.45 | JeffM2501 | mother board |
| 02:21.16 | supertanker13 | oh. |
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| 02:21.28 | rue_mohr | oh perfect channel to ask |
| 02:21.34 | rue_mohr | http://eds.dyndns.org:81/~ircjunk/robots/newbot/ircbot.html |
| 02:21.41 | rue_mohr | check it out, tell me what you think |
| 02:22.21 | rue_mohr | hello??? |
| 02:22.23 | purple_cow | this looks like #bzflag, not #botpark |
| 02:22.25 | purple_cow | :P |
| 02:22.36 | rue_mohr | botpark!? |
| 02:22.49 | JeffM2501 | yeah a channel for you know |
| 02:22.51 | JeffM2501 | bots |
| 02:23.00 | rue_mohr | hardware or software? |
| 02:23.04 | rue_mohr | this is a hardware bot |
| 02:23.09 | purple_cow | does it matter? |
| 02:23.10 | rue_mohr | a robot |
| 02:23.12 | purple_cow | this channel is about *bzflag* |
| 02:23.13 | rue_mohr | yes! |
| 02:23.16 | JeffM2501 | is it an open source video game with tanks? |
| 02:23.17 | purple_cow | bzflag has nothing to do with robots |
| 02:23.24 | rue_mohr | but you get to drive a tank... |
| 02:23.34 | supertanker13 | and blast the **** out of the enemy |
| 02:23.40 | rue_mohr | ok, its not a robot, its an rov |
| 02:23.47 | supertanker13 | with Geno and Lazer |
| 02:23.51 | rue_mohr | well, I plan ok making 4, does that help me? |
| 02:24.05 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 02:24.20 | rue_mohr | :( well, ok |
| 02:24.40 | JeffM2501 | we don't come into your channel and post adds for our things do I? |
| 02:24.45 | rue_mohr | sorry to have disturbed you, just thought, since its fun to play with, someone might be interested |
| 02:25.02 | rue_mohr | but your here to have fun, right? |
| 02:25.13 | JeffM2501 | this is our development IRC channel |
| 02:25.23 | rue_mohr | and if I were a longterm here, you probably wouldn't chew me out for getting off topic would ya? |
| 02:25.29 | rue_mohr | ahhh |
| 02:25.40 | JeffM2501 | if we knew you, then yes we would weather it for a bit |
| 02:25.43 | rue_mohr | so how well CAN I play bzflag over my 33.6 modem? |
| 02:25.52 | JBdiGriz | and then we would kick you out of the channel |
| 02:25.54 | JeffM2501 | but just poping in, and telling us to go to a URL |
| 02:25.56 | supertanker13 | the same way I do with my 28.8 |
| 02:26.13 | JeffM2501 | supertanker13, wow you went for all that time? what 4 hours? |
| 02:26.27 | supertanker13 | by putting up wit hthe lag. You can do it, I got a score of 56 |
| 02:26.35 | rue_mohr | na, I'm just saying its a cooll toy |
| 02:27.08 | rue_mohr | heh, ok, I think bzflag has changed alot since the last time I played it |
| 02:28.35 | JeffM2501 | how long ago was that? |
| 02:28.50 | rue_mohr | I think about 2 years |
| 02:29.13 | JeffM2501 | yeah it has |
| 02:30.36 | supertanker13 | Quite a bit. There are many special effects including a new mapping language and weather |
| 02:30.47 | JeffM2501 | supertanker13, what are you talking about |
| 02:30.51 | JeffM2501 | the maps are the same |
| 02:31.47 | JeffM2501 | please don't listen to the child |
| 02:32.00 | supertanker13 | I mean the 2.0 mapping language over the 1.0 box/pyramids/teles/baes/links thats it lanaguage |
| 02:32.12 | JeffM2501 | the "language" is the same |
| 02:32.17 | JeffM2501 | there are just new features |
| 02:32.45 | supertanker13 | MANY more features |
| 02:32.59 | JeffM2501 | not really, just groups and meshes |
| 02:34.13 | supertanker13 | Probably because I didn't even know about the rest of it. When did things like Arcs and Sphers and cylanders come into play? |
| 02:34.38 | JeffM2501 | because you have 0 clue what you are talking about |
| 02:34.46 | JeffM2501 | now please, don't interject things |
| 02:34.54 | JeffM2501 | remember what I talked to you about today? |
| 02:35.05 | JeffM2501 | or do you want another quiet? |
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| 04:17.37 | Harlin | supertanker13... you are a disgrace! |
| 04:36.29 | JeffM2501 | 1) he's not even here |
| 04:36.31 | JeffM2501 | 2) be nice |
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| 04:40.39 | supertanker13 | hi |
| 04:45.27 | Harlin | JeffM2501, just kidding my man :) |
| 04:45.32 | Harlin | hi supertanker13 |
| 04:45.36 | Harlin | whatis going on? |
| 04:47.35 | supertanker13 | i'm just trying to click my website 10000times to see if I can make a 1% increase in my bandwith |
| 04:48.33 | JeffM2501 | ever hear of "cache" ? |
| 04:49.03 | supertanker13 | yes. I refresh, and I made it only save 1kb of data to cache, I didnt think it could go that low |
| 04:49.36 | supertanker13 | So, what is going on the the bzflag dev world? |
| 04:49.51 | JeffM2501 | quake maps |
| 04:49.57 | wegstar | heh |
| 04:50.13 | supertanker13 | I haven't made that many yet, the first one TOTaly sucked |
| 04:50.30 | supertanker13 | it looks really wierd when you go underwater. |
| 04:51.41 | supertanker13 | How much faster would the pentium optomized bzflag be on my machine than the normal? I have an 800 mhz processor, 128 ram, 32 meg vid ram open gl 16 bit 1024x768 |
| 04:51.46 | JeffM2501 | you made them for bzflag |
| 04:51.49 | JeffM2501 | impresive |
| 04:52.05 | supertanker13 | made..what are you talking about? |
| 04:52.30 | JeffM2501 | you asked what was going on in bzflag dev |
| 04:52.36 | JeffM2501 | then you said you made some bad ones |
| 04:52.47 | supertanker13 | oh. They are putting quake maps in bzflag? |
| 04:52.59 | JeffM2501 | who is "they" ? |
| 04:53.17 | supertanker13 | aww forget it im too confused |
| 04:53.35 | supertanker13 | I thought I saw a BZFlag build that said "pentium optomized" somwhere and im trying to find it |
| 04:53.44 | JeffM2501 | b17+ |
| 04:54.04 | supertanker13 | and where do I get that? |
| 04:54.09 | supertanker13 | oh yeah now I remember! |
| 04:54.11 | supertanker13 | bzbb |
| 04:55.03 | supertanker13 | how do you optomize it for a specific proscessor? does it use the SSE or something? |
| 04:57.18 | JeffM2501 | there are build options |
| 04:57.38 | supertanker13 | I forgot if Dev C++ works with BZ or not |
| 04:57.45 | supertanker13 | I know VC wont |
| 04:57.45 | purple_cow | in practice it doesn't make a noticible difference |
| 04:57.53 | purple_cow | bzflag isn't limited by FPU speed |
| 04:57.53 | supertanker13 | Why? BECAUSE MY DAMN MACHINE WONT TAKE SP2! |
| 04:57.56 | JeffM2501 | vc works fine |
| 04:58.10 | JeffM2501 | supertanker13, remember |
| 04:59.15 | supertanker13 | it just doesnt on my machine, im sure it works great for BZFlag |
| 04:59.29 | supertanker13 | speaking of BZFlag, I got my site back up at bzflag.levelzone.net |
| 04:59.38 | JeffM2501 | we know |
| 04:59.48 | supertanker13 | yeah. whoo-dee-do. everyone is so exited |
| 04:59.49 | JeffM2501 | and sp2 only works on legit software |
| 05:00.10 | supertanker13 | mine IS legit. It just took forever to download. |
| 05:00.17 | JeffM2501 | get the CD |
| 05:00.32 | supertanker13 | I am really starting to loath microsoft. Soon as I get the chance, I will get the cd...for linux |
| 05:00.52 | JeffM2501 | but you won' |
| 05:00.53 | JeffM2501 | t |
| 05:01.05 | JeffM2501 | then you'd have nothing to whine about and get pitty comments |
| 05:01.10 | purple_cow | heh |
| 05:01.18 | purple_cow | there will always be things to whine about |
| 05:01.24 | purple_cow | like how linux is difficult to install |
| 05:01.30 | JeffM2501 | not after a 1 week ban |
| 05:01.36 | supertanker13 | So? Who says I want anything to whine about? it would be much more pleasent...(for everyone) |
| 05:01.40 | JeffM2501 | he'll never get it in |
| 05:01.46 | supertanker13 | Hey I put RedHat on my laptop just fine |
| 05:01.54 | supertanker13 | except its redhat 5 |
| 05:02.14 | JeffM2501 | whatever |
| 05:02.28 | JeffM2501 | just fill out the SP2 cd |
| 05:02.29 | JeffM2501 | it's free |
| 05:02.33 | JeffM2501 | they mail it to you |
| 05:02.39 | JeffM2501 | or go to a library and get it |
| 05:02.51 | supertanker13 | and then sell the SP2 cd and then buy FC 4 with it |
| 05:03.23 | JeffM2501 | sell? |
| 05:03.26 | supertanker13 | I found one of the best C++ tutorials online, it is so ineresting |
| 05:03.29 | supertanker13 | interesting |
| 05:03.52 | supertanker13 | I was kidding. Mom really doesnt like giving out her address, even though almost anyone can find it |
| 05:04.25 | supertanker13 | anyways, this tutorial is really good...now I just need to find my devcpp wherever I put it on my hd... |
| 05:04.41 | *** mode/#bzflag [+b *!*@*.rev.o1.com] by JeffM2501 |
| 05:04.41 | *** kick/#bzflag [supertanker13!n=jeffm@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/JeffM2501] by JeffM2501 (JeffM2501) |
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| 09:26.57 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/ChangeLog: Changes |
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| 10:29.45 | brad2901_ | is there any way to stop a countdown w/o the /gameover command? |
| 10:30.13 | Birdie | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:30.26 | Birdie | but it depends where (server) you talking about |
| 10:30.29 | brad2901_ | They want to start again |
| 10:30.39 | Birdie | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:30.40 | Birdie | again? |
| 10:30.47 | brad2901_ | nope |
| 10:30.51 | Birdie | where |
| 10:30.56 | brad2901_ | "A countdown is alreadt in progres" |
| 10:31.00 | brad2901_ | tankwar |
| 10:31.02 | brad2901_ | 58 |
| 10:31.03 | Birdie | i come:) |
| 10:31.12 | brad2901_ | oh, nvm |
| 10:31.13 | brad2901_ | sorry |
| 10:31.31 | Birdie | how did you do it? |
| 10:41.36 | meacan | countdown resume ithink |
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| 11:19.38 | Janis1992TLT | hi all |
| 11:19.57 | brad2901 | hi |
| 11:20.02 | Janis1992TLT | someone wanna match today |
| 11:20.19 | |zongo| | maybe later |
| 11:20.28 | Janis1992TLT | ok |
| 11:20.38 | |zongo| | ask my team if u see them online |
| 11:20.50 | Janis1992TLT | what is your team name |
| 11:20.53 | |zongo| | i wont be online until late |
| 11:20.57 | |zongo| | DUB |
| 11:21.03 | Janis1992TLT | ok |
| 11:21.15 | meacan | janis, please drop the double teaming again. |
| 11:21.15 | Janis1992TLT | pret russkii |
| 11:21.28 | Janis1992TLT | i am not in too teams |
| 11:21.38 | Janis1992TLT | i am only in one |
| 11:22.19 | meacan | and other uses your connection? |
| 11:22.36 | Janis1992TLT | what you mean |
| 11:22.54 | Birdie | are you the only one playing from your connection? |
| 11:23.01 | Janis1992TLT | yes |
| 11:23.03 | Janis1992TLT | !!!!! |
| 11:23.05 | TheLastSpartan | Janis1992TLT: Jien tah-duh gwa |
| 11:23.41 | Janis1992TLT | i dont speak german |
| 11:23.42 | Birdie | you know "battle reams"? |
| 11:23.49 | Birdie | realms * |
| 11:23.55 | Janis1992TLT | yes my brother |
| 11:24.01 | Janis1992TLT | nhes real name is john |
| 11:24.08 | Janis1992TLT | his |
| 11:24.09 | Birdie | there you go..some one else playing from the same connection |
| 11:24.17 | Janis1992TLT | no |
| 11:24.41 | Janis1992TLT | he has powerbook g4 1000 MHZ |
| 11:24.57 | Janis1992TLT | and i have PowerPc 1025 Mhz |
| 11:25.11 | Janis1992TLT | PowerPC G4 |
| 11:25.11 | meacan | If you're using the same internet connection you will probably get the same ip |
| 11:25.30 | Janis1992TLT | now i understand you |
| 11:25.31 | Birdie | like you have now, with you and your brother |
| 11:25.52 | Janis1992TLT | we have same internet and modem |
| 11:26.10 | Birdie | same connection... |
| 11:26.56 | Janis1992TLT | why my brother cant join this chat too |
| 11:27.02 | meacan | i guess all is well. |
| 11:27.04 | meacan | what happens |
| 11:27.24 | Janis1992TLT | wait i come back after 1 minute |
| 11:27.30 | Janis1992TLT | i will watch |
| 11:28.04 | Janis1992TLT | There is Access denied too many conections |
| 11:28.20 | Janis1992TLT | there is acces denied |
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| 11:29.23 | Janis1992TLT | sorry |
| 11:29.29 | Janis1992TLT | i had problem |
| 11:29.42 | Janis1992TLT | my brother cant log in |
| 11:29.53 | Janis1992TLT | to the this chat |
| 11:30.34 | Janis1992TLT | why he cant |
| 11:30.47 | meacan | might be, because you're using the same connection |
| 11:30.54 | meacan | try another homepage or a real irc client |
| 11:31.11 | Janis1992TLT | ok |
| 11:31.27 | Janis1992TLT | i use real |
| 11:31.32 | Janis1992TLT | and my brother too |
| 11:32.41 | meacan | you're using a webinterface? |
| 11:32.45 | Janis1992TLT | bye all |
| 11:33.44 | Janis1992TLT | no |
| 11:34.11 | Janis1992TLT | bye all |
| 11:34.15 | Janis1992TLT | i must go |
| 11:41.39 | jpa- | hmm hmm :D |
| 11:43.54 | brad2901 | uhoh |
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| 11:51.27 | callofhonor | hi |
| 11:52.04 | callofhonor | i'm taking C in school and it's my most favorite class already! |
| 11:52.23 | callofhonor | C plus plus |
| 11:53.04 | callofhonor | brad2901 are you there? |
| 11:54.03 | callofhonor | is anybody here? |
| 11:54.24 | callofhonor | !weather 03801 |
| 11:54.26 | TheLastSpartan | callofhonor: The current temperature in Portsmouth, New Hampshire (03801) is 64°F (6:55 AM EDT on September 03, 2005). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 55°F. Wind: WNW at 8 mph (13 km/h). Pressure: 29.91 in (1013 hPa). Visibility: 20.0 miles (32.2 kilometers). UV: 0 out of 16 |
| 11:54.29 | brad2901 | hmm? |
| 11:54.34 | callofhonor | hi brad! |
| 11:54.45 | brad2901 | hi.. |
| 11:55.17 | callofhonor | JeffM2501 was right, i was going to do something stupid.... |
| 11:55.30 | brad2901 | oh dear |
| 11:55.34 | brad2901 | what have you done? |
| 11:56.38 | callofhonor | i wasn't paying attention going offroad biking with my friends, and i broke my caller bone |
| 11:57.03 | brad2901 | 8ouch* |
| 11:57.16 | callofhonor | i'm in two slings right now |
| 11:57.35 | brad2901 | that's not good :) |
| 11:59.04 | callofhonor | have you looked at your website since i posted again? |
| 11:59.14 | brad2901 | no. |
| 11:59.36 | callofhonor | i listed the boats we have |
| 12:01.38 | callofhonor | brad? |
| 12:01.44 | brad2901 | looking, hang on |
| 12:01.52 | callofhonor | screenshots |
| 12:02.50 | brad2901 | have you added a picture? |
| 12:04.00 | callofhonor | all the picture of the other boat are gone |
| 12:04.09 | callofhonor | *boats* |
| 12:04.39 | brad2901 | I can only see one new picture. :) |
| 12:04.55 | callofhonor | yeah |
| 12:05.19 | callofhonor | hold on |
| 12:08.25 | callofhonor | i found a pictures of a whale that came into the Saco River and stayed next to our boat most of the time shocking other boaters |
| 12:09.28 | callofhonor | i'm posting it now |
| 12:09.31 | brad2901 | k |
| 12:12.38 | callofhonor | okay done |
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| 12:14.34 | callofhonor | brad? |
| 12:14.46 | brad2901 | looking, 2 secs :) |
| 12:16.30 | brad2901 | hehe, nice |
| 12:16.30 | callofhonor | your website brad |
| 12:16.33 | brad2901 | yeah |
| 12:16.34 | callofhonor | nvm |
| 12:16.34 | brad2901 | I see |
| 12:17.34 | *** join/#bzflag CBG (n=CBG@cpc2-stme1-5-1-cust130.cdif.cable.ntl.com) |
| 12:22.42 | callofhonor | i'm going to go eat, were sailing out to some islans today with our boat and my dad's racing team |
| 12:22.53 | callofhonor | bye |
| 12:22.53 | brad2901 | ok, cya later |
| 12:52.06 | CBG | Could someone put the names at http://pics.bzleague.com/displayimage.php?album=lastup&cat=0&pos=6 into the order, please? >:) |
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| 14:22.31 | CBG | RPG_ :D |
| 14:22.38 | RPG_ | hello |
| 14:22.50 | RPG_ | are you admin at the GU leageu site? |
| 14:23.07 | CBG | haha. |
| 14:23.10 | CBG | no. |
| 14:23.41 | RPG_ | on the register page, the password field is longer than it is on the login page! |
| 14:23.46 | RPG_ | so i can't fit my entire password into the login |
| 14:23.49 | RPG_ | therefore I can't log in |
| 14:23.55 | RPG_ | and I BZMailed you about teamship |
| 14:23.57 | blast007 | heh |
| 14:24.16 | RPG_ | and I want to see the reply |
| 14:24.16 | CBG | RPG_: I know. I replied. |
| 14:24.20 | CBG | heh. |
| 14:24.49 | blast007 | RPG_: you could write a basic login page locally, and have to send to the GU login script |
| 14:24.58 | RPG_ | heh, true |
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| 16:15.18 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ |
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| 17:56.28 | costarKillla | how do i play the game boys' |
| 17:56.44 | wegstar | huh? |
| 17:56.51 | Birdie | download it, install it, join a server and kill |
| 17:57.16 | costarKillla | has any one got the download link |
| 17:57.38 | wegstar | www.bzflag.org |
| 17:58.02 | costarKillla | so whats this room all about sorry if ive come in univited |
| 18:00.04 | meacan | costarKillla: its about bzflag :). Mainly concerning the development of bzflag. There are other channels for more random chats (#bzchat) and some for leagues too (#bzleague #guleague) |
| 18:01.23 | blast007 | this room is also good for support, as is the forum at http://my.bzflag.org/bb/ |
| 18:01.55 | costarKillla | sorry to sound dumb but where on this page www.bzflag.org do start playing game |
| 18:02.54 | blast007 | if you're on Windows, you can download http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/bzflag/bzflag-2.0.2.exe?download |
| 18:03.08 | wegstar | see links |
| 18:03.56 | costarKillla | got that downlaod and have installed it but i ended up hear |
| 18:04.04 | costarKillla | here sorry |
| 18:04.06 | RPG_ | that must mean you have a problem! |
| 18:05.24 | costarKillla | so what do we do to fix it boys |
| 18:05.39 | RPG_ | uh...... |
| 18:06.02 | RPG_ | darn, can't psychically diagnose the problem |
| 18:06.04 | JeffM2501 | what happened when you ran it? |
| 18:07.50 | orchid | ahh welll |
| 18:13.30 | *** join/#bzflag Inferno (n=Inferno@71-10-74-157.dhcp.dlth.mn.charter.com) |
| 18:13.45 | Inferno | hello |
| 18:13.56 | RPG_ | hi |
| 18:14.19 | Inferno | I like that map you made RPG |
| 18:14.26 | RPG_ | which one? |
| 18:14.32 | Inferno | bay side? |
| 18:14.39 | RPG_ | city side |
| 18:14.40 | RPG_ | thanks |
| 18:14.43 | RPG_ | are you running it? |
| 18:14.52 | Inferno | no, I don't got a server :( |
| 18:14.55 | RPG_ | oh |
| 18:15.27 | Inferno | ~wegstart |
| 18:15.29 | Inferno | ~wegstar |
| 18:15.30 | ibot | well, wegstar is a sayer of the obvious |
| 18:15.43 | RPG_ | ~RPG_ |
| 18:15.44 | ibot | methinks rpg_ is not fat |
| 18:15.53 | Inferno | ~Inferno |
| 18:15.54 | ibot | from memory, inferno is A Small Operating System for Distributed Solutions and Embedded Devices At http://www.vitanuova.com/inferno/ |
| 18:16.03 | Inferno | NOOOOOOO |
| 18:16.09 | RPG_ | yep |
| 18:16.16 | Inferno | ~Inferno285 |
| 18:16.35 | RPG_ | you don't have an entry |
| 18:16.35 | Inferno | anyway, is wegstar here? |
| 18:16.44 | Inferno | oh |
| 18:16.45 | RPG_ | ~Inferno285 is the slayer of the ibot |
| 18:16.47 | ibot | RPG_: okay |
| 18:16.56 | RPG_ | yes, wegstar is here |
| 18:17.05 | Inferno | I mean, is he on |
| 18:17.17 | RPG_ | ~seen wegstar |
| 18:17.23 | ibot | wegstar is currently on #botpark (29m 12s) #bzflag (29m 12s). Has said a total of 4 messages. Is idling for 14m 15s |
| 18:17.23 | wegstar | hmm? |
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| 18:17.34 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JBdiGriz] by ChanServ |
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| 18:18.39 | Inferno | wegstar, are you the one I talked about bz client to? |
| 18:18.48 | wegstar | yes... |
| 18:18.53 | Inferno | COOL |
| 18:18.53 | wegstar | or no.. |
| 18:18.55 | wegstar | ? |
| 18:19.12 | Inferno | can you give me that template thingy for the pack() message |
| 18:19.20 | Inferno | when you first joining the game |
| 18:19.20 | wegstar | template thingy? |
| 18:19.33 | blast007 | he's wanting the pack and unpack data configuration... |
| 18:19.36 | Inferno | pack(template, id, type, team....) |
| 18:19.38 | wegstar | oh yeah... |
| 18:19.43 | wegstar | in perl right? |
| 18:19.50 | Inferno | yeah |
| 18:19.55 | wegstar | ah... |
| 18:20.07 | wegstar | did you read the docs? |
| 18:20.13 | Inferno | yeah |
| 18:20.31 | RPG_ | Inferno: are you the one writing the bot in perl? |
| 18:20.39 | Inferno | yeah :) |
| 18:20.48 | RPG_ | ~forget Inferno |
| 18:21.00 | wegstar | .... |
| 18:21.02 | Inferno | what does that do? |
| 18:21.10 | blast007 | take a guess :P :) |
| 18:21.25 | Inferno | wegstar, do you think you can get that temp for me again |
| 18:21.25 | wegstar | :) |
| 18:21.40 | wegstar | dunno |
| 18:22.02 | Inferno | hey, I've been there, done that |
| 18:22.08 | RPG_ | ~inferno |
| 18:22.09 | ibot | i heard inferno is trying to make a BZBOT in perl. |
| 18:22.35 | Inferno | very funny :) |
| 18:22.51 | wegstar | make it join? I haven't managed to do that... cleanly... |
| 18:23.04 | Inferno | you gave me the template, and it worked |
| 18:23.10 | wegstar | did i? |
| 18:23.40 | Inferno | pack(YOU GAVE ME THIS,id, type, team, name, email address) |
| 18:23.46 | wegstar | oh yeah |
| 18:23.57 | Inferno | can retrieve from memory :) |
| 18:24.07 | wegstar | darn.. my memory must be failing |
| 18:24.19 | wegstar | that's what logs are for |
| 18:24.20 | blast007 | so you know the types of those variables? if so, it shouldn't be hard |
| 18:24.39 | blast007 | name and email are strings, of a certain length |
| 18:24.47 | Inferno | yeah, but "s4n2" didn't work :( |
| 18:25.02 | JeffM2501 | the strings are fixed size arayz |
| 18:25.13 | JeffM2501 | 32 for callsign and 64 for e-mail IIRC |
| 18:25.33 | JeffM2501 | and they MUST be in network byte order |
| 18:26.01 | Inferno | http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/bzflag/bzflag/doc/Attic/protocol.txt?view=markup |
| 18:26.25 | Inferno | says callsign can be anytihng? |
| 18:26.30 | JeffM2501 | that's olkd |
| 18:26.33 | JeffM2501 | they can be anything |
| 18:26.39 | JeffM2501 | but the data for them is 32 characters long |
| 18:26.49 | Inferno | oh, thx alot |
| 18:26.53 | JeffM2501 | notice it says "FILE REMOVED" |
| 18:27.03 | Inferno | where? |
| 18:27.11 | Inferno | oh |
| 18:27.14 | JeffM2501 | near the top |
| 18:27.32 | Inferno | can you point me to a newer similar doc? |
| 18:27.52 | blast007 | I don't think there is one |
| 18:27.58 | Inferno | oh, jeff can I see the logs |
| 18:28.01 | wegstar | yeah.. |
| 18:28.11 | blast007 | and if there is, then I wasted a lot of time reading all the code :) |
| 18:28.22 | *** part/#bzflag RPG_ (n=G-bus@c-24-15-87-171.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 18:28.22 | Inferno | where is new one, plz |
| 18:28.23 | JeffM2501 | Inferno, we did not make a new doc |
| 18:28.26 | JeffM2501 | we use the code |
| 18:28.36 | JeffM2501 | noone kept the doc up, so there was no point in having it |
| 18:28.41 | JeffM2501 | when the code is the defacto doc |
| 18:28.58 | Inferno | :( |
| 18:29.01 | wegstar | :) |
| 18:29.20 | JeffM2501 | the bzflag protocoll changes with every minor version change |
| 18:29.28 | Inferno | do you have to specify length? |
| 18:29.34 | blast007 | yes |
| 18:29.42 | JeffM2501 | the data MUST be the right sizew |
| 18:29.52 | Inferno | k |
| 18:29.55 | JeffM2501 | 32 for name, 64 for email |
| 18:29.59 | JeffM2501 | padd the rest with 0 |
| 18:30.07 | meacan | what about doc/guide/NetworkProtocol.xml ? is that outdated too? |
| 18:30.10 | JeffM2501 | but check the code to be sure of the sizes |
| 18:30.12 | wegstar | yeah.. |
| 18:30.14 | Inferno | is that a long then dlong? |
| 18:30.25 | JeffM2501 | meacan, totaly |
| 18:30.32 | JeffM2501 | Inferno, it's an aray of bytes |
| 18:30.37 | JeffM2501 | a long is 32 BITS |
| 18:30.48 | JeffM2501 | this would be 32*8 bits |
| 18:30.48 | Inferno | what comes after long? |
| 18:30.58 | JeffM2501 | it is NOT an internal data type |
| 18:31.06 | JeffM2501 | after long is long long |
| 18:31.15 | JeffM2501 | 8 bytes |
| 18:31.17 | Chestal | would be great, if someone could bring the protocol description up to date |
| 18:31.20 | JeffM2501 | 64 bit |
| 18:31.30 | Inferno | oh, so they don't have to each be seperated by a type |
| 18:31.46 | JeffM2501 | Inferno, how much do you know about data? |
| 18:31.48 | Inferno | Chestal, YOU RIGHT |
| 18:31.52 | JeffM2501 | do you know what an aray is? |
| 18:31.56 | Inferno | yeah! |
| 18:32.08 | JeffM2501 | do you know what an array of chars is? |
| 18:32.16 | Inferno | string |
| 18:32.22 | JeffM2501 | Chestal, lots of things would be nice |
| 18:32.30 | JeffM2501 | Inferno, a string is one type of array |
| 18:32.33 | JeffM2501 | there are many others |
| 18:32.47 | Inferno | ok? |
| 18:33.05 | Chestal | would be a good exercise for someone new to contribute somethign to bz :-) |
| 18:33.05 | JeffM2501 | for the callsign you pack in a 32 element array of chars |
| 18:33.14 | Chestal | would learn somethig about the code along the way, too |
| 18:33.20 | JeffM2501 | that it would |
| 18:33.27 | JeffM2501 | if he'd not fear C so much |
| 18:33.36 | Inferno | I don't fear it |
| 18:33.37 | JeffM2501 | was my sugestion yesterday |
| 18:33.47 | Inferno | like, I'm learning right now, THX :) |
| 18:33.48 | blast007 | Inferno: look at unpackEnter in src/game/PlayerInfo.cxx |
| 18:33.55 | Inferno | k |
| 18:35.07 | blast007 | I could probably get at least a partial protocol document created, but it won't be high on my list of priorities ;) |
| 18:35.20 | wegstar | ;) |
| 18:35.33 | JeffM2501 | best would be to do it as doxygen comments |
| 18:35.38 | JeffM2501 | so it could be easaly updated |
| 18:35.43 | wegstar | hmm |
| 18:36.31 | Inferno | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:36.39 | Inferno | so they add the length at end? |
| 18:37.22 | JeffM2501 | look at what packstring does |
| 18:37.29 | Inferno | type, id, team are shorts, am I right? |
| 18:37.36 | JeffM2501 | what does the code say |
| 18:37.38 | JeffM2501 | it's RIGHT there |
| 18:37.49 | Inferno | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:38.07 | JeffM2501 | so what would that pack? |
| 18:38.35 | Inferno | umm, type |
| 18:38.47 | JeffM2501 | no what size data structure |
| 18:39.00 | Inferno | 16, short |
| 18:39.13 | JeffM2501 | so the answer to your question is....? |
| 18:39.29 | Inferno | yeah, they don't have "id" on there |
| 18:39.49 | JeffM2501 | then ID isn't packed and sent |
| 18:39.55 | blast007 | hmm...that might be what bzfs reads |
| 18:39.57 | JeffM2501 | who is "they" |
| 18:40.16 | Inferno | the file, (or creators of file) |
| 18:40.22 | wegstar | ;) |
| 18:40.40 | JeffM2501 | well if "they" don't send the ID, then the ID isn't used |
| 18:40.40 | Inferno | so you don't send server "id" to register? |
| 18:40.53 | JeffM2501 | does the code you have send it? |
| 18:40.58 | Inferno | no |
| 18:41.09 | JeffM2501 | does the code you have connect to a server and work? |
| 18:41.41 | Inferno | I'm looking at playerinfo.cxx |
| 18:41.50 | JeffM2501 | does that code work? |
| 18:41.59 | JeffM2501 | is that the current stuff bzflag is using? |
| 18:42.04 | Inferno | yeah |
| 18:42.09 | JeffM2501 | then if that code works |
| 18:42.11 | Inferno | 2.0.2 |
| 18:42.12 | JeffM2501 | and it dosn't send ID |
| 18:42.20 | JeffM2501 | what is the answer to your question? |
| 18:42.34 | JeffM2501 | comments from anyone on this post count breakdown? http://myth.gibbscam.com/temp/rankbreakdown.htm |
| 18:42.35 | Inferno | no id, it's just contriversial |
| 18:42.46 | JeffM2501 | it's what? |
| 18:42.51 | blast007 | Inferno: you don't send a player id, because you don't KNOW what your player id will be |
| 18:43.13 | Inferno | ok, protocol.h says you do, soo |
| 18:43.17 | Inferno | thx though |
| 18:43.36 | JeffM2501 | the part that actualy SENDS it is the code |
| 18:44.40 | Inferno | so what is type and team actually set to? |
| 18:45.10 | JeffM2501 | look in the code where they are set |
| 18:45.21 | JeffM2501 | team is the team the player picked in the interface |
| 18:45.31 | JeffM2501 | it is an enumerated type |
| 18:45.44 | Inferno | "enumerated" means ? |
| 18:45.55 | Inferno | where can I find that code at? |
| 18:46.02 | JeffM2501 | ibot dict enumerated |
| 18:46.16 | JeffM2501 | Inferno, what type is team? |
| 18:46.28 | JeffM2501 | look up in the code and see what it is |
| 18:46.32 | Inferno | number |
| 18:46.45 | JeffM2501 | where does it get set from? |
| 18:47.24 | Inferno | it's not in playerinfo.cxx, right? |
| 18:47.29 | Inferno | where is set |
| 18:47.34 | JeffM2501 | search and see |
| 18:47.38 | JeffM2501 | use your tools |
| 18:47.39 | Inferno | ok :) |
| 18:47.52 | JeffM2501 | you are going to spend a LOT of time tracking things down |
| 18:47.53 | Inferno | I know that it is not set! |
| 18:48.00 | Inferno | in playerinfo.cxx |
| 18:48.06 | JeffM2501 | it may not be |
| 18:48.08 | JeffM2501 | find out where |
| 18:48.12 | JeffM2501 | there are many files in bzflag |
| 18:48.37 | Inferno | yup :( |
| 18:48.39 | JeffM2501 | we are not here to tell you step by step |
| 18:49.08 | Inferno | { 1.0f, 0.0f, 0.0f }, // red |
| 18:49.27 | JeffM2501 | don't just randomly go searching for things |
| 18:49.33 | Inferno | team.cxx, is that something I should look at? |
| 18:49.34 | JeffM2501 | you can find out where the team number is set |
| 18:49.36 | JeffM2501 | in the code |
| 18:49.41 | JeffM2501 | trace it backwards |
| 18:50.23 | Inferno | do I trace this function ? "uint16_t()" |
| 18:50.31 | JeffM2501 | that's not a function |
| 18:50.32 | JeffM2501 | that's a cast |
| 18:50.59 | Inferno | oh, this file declares funcs, should I find where it's called :) void *PlayerInfo::packUpdate(void *buf) { |
| 18:51.11 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 18:51.22 | JeffM2501 | you REALY need to learn a bit of C |
| 18:51.38 | Inferno | k |
| 18:52.05 | Inferno | then what is it doing, some "class" stuff? |
| 18:52.13 | JeffM2501 | bzflag is C++ |
| 18:52.15 | Inferno | or making an object |
| 18:52.19 | JeffM2501 | C is a subset of C++ |
| 18:52.25 | Inferno | ok? |
| 18:52.34 | JeffM2501 | you need to learn the basic structure of C to at least know the data types |
| 18:53.05 | JeffM2501 | if you can't do that, then you have no hope of replicating all the messages in bzflag |
| 18:53.32 | Inferno | ok, for alittle bit of success I wanted to start with making this one messgae :) |
| 18:53.45 | JeffM2501 | even tho you are going to use perl, you will be talking to a C app, so you must be aware of it's data structures |
| 18:54.02 | Inferno | yeah |
| 18:54.17 | JeffM2501 | and I am not going to feed it to you step by step |
| 18:54.24 | Inferno | ok |
| 18:54.41 | JeffM2501 | so you are going to have to use your noggin and some common sense |
| 18:54.41 | blast007 | Inferno: have you looked at that bzfquery.pl located in the misc/ directory of the source? |
| 18:54.59 | JeffM2501 | another sugestion from yesterday :) |
| 18:55.04 | Inferno | I'm using ALL my common sense jeff |
| 18:55.25 | JeffM2501 | did you do what blast just said? |
| 18:55.29 | Inferno | blast700, yes |
| 18:55.38 | JeffM2501 | did you see how it packed up the data |
| 18:55.44 | Inferno | yeah |
| 18:55.53 | Inferno | it used all "n" |
| 18:56.02 | Inferno | I already tried that, doesn't work |
| 18:56.19 | blast007 | sigh... |
| 18:56.35 | JeffM2501 | think he's over his head blast007 ? |
| 18:56.43 | blast007 | quite |
| 18:57.06 | Inferno | blast077, are you also 007 |
| 18:57.11 | Inferno | on bz? |
| 18:57.18 | blast007 | no, just 'blast' |
| 18:57.37 | Inferno | oh, cause theres a "007" |
| 18:59.23 | Inferno | jeff, so callsign is 32 BYTES? |
| 18:59.42 | JeffM2501 | what does the code say? |
| 19:00.01 | Inferno | oh, sry |
| 19:00.45 | JeffM2501 | asking over and over again, won't get you the answer. It just anoys people |
| 19:00.58 | Inferno | yeah, "sry" |
| 19:03.10 | *** join/#bzflag Mr_Molez (i=Mr_Molez@ACD4CE54.ipt.aol.com) |
| 19:04.53 | Inferno | ~signed |
| 19:10.21 | Inferno | I gave the server this, and at least it didn't terminate connection this time "$player = pack("S2N3", 2, 5, $call, $email, $email2);" |
| 19:10.33 | Inferno | what could be wrong now? |
| 19:11.05 | JeffM2501 | what does your pack do? |
| 19:11.25 | JeffM2501 | and how big is call and email? |
| 19:11.29 | JeffM2501 | and what is player? |
| 19:11.35 | Inferno | Takes an array or list of values and packs it into a binary structure |
| 19:12.26 | Inferno | http://www.cotse.com/perl/pack.html |
| 19:12.47 | JeffM2501 | how does it know how big each item is? |
| 19:13.00 | Inferno | S2N3 |
| 19:13.03 | JeffM2501 | how does it know to pack 2 as a short and not an it? |
| 19:13.17 | JeffM2501 | what does that mean? |
| 19:13.22 | Inferno | 2 Unsign shorts and 3 longs in network |
| 19:13.41 | Inferno | http://www.cotse.com/perl/pack.html, shows what they mean |
| 19:13.41 | JeffM2501 | what are the "longs"? |
| 19:13.48 | Inferno | 32 bits |
| 19:13.58 | JeffM2501 | I'm not learning perl for you, you have to explain it to me if you want my help |
| 19:14.05 | JeffM2501 | the callsign is 32 BYTES |
| 19:14.07 | JeffM2501 | not bits |
| 19:14.19 | JeffM2501 | they are not longs |
| 19:14.22 | Inferno | oh, yeah |
| 19:14.24 | JeffM2501 | it's an array |
| 19:15.10 | Inferno | so I pack an array, 32 * 8, gotcha |
| 19:15.26 | JeffM2501 | then 64 for the email |
| 19:15.32 | Inferno | k, thx |
| 19:16.10 | Inferno | and I send each array? packed together? |
| 19:16.45 | JeffM2501 | it's all part of the same packet |
| 19:16.50 | JeffM2501 | packed WITH the team and type |
| 19:17.26 | blast007 | "a - An ascii string, will be null padded" |
| 19:17.39 | Inferno | use that? |
| 19:18.13 | JeffM2501 | you tell us, your the perl expert |
| 19:19.03 | Inferno | i guess :) |
| 19:19.54 | blast007 | and make sure you tell the pack/unpack how long each string is |
| 19:22.09 | Inferno | jeff, an array is a stack of scalars, will they nor be indifferent after packed? |
| 19:22.33 | Inferno | can I do, N8 |
| 19:22.40 | JeffM2501 | depends what it is an array of |
| 19:22.42 | Inferno | and N16 for email |
| 19:22.44 | JeffM2501 | it is a string |
| 19:23.20 | Inferno | aahh |
| 19:23.28 | JeffM2501 | but it's a fixed size string |
| 19:23.41 | JeffM2501 | how much perl do you know? |
| 19:23.43 | blast007 | Inferno: where are you getting long's out of this? |
| 19:24.05 | blast007 | "N - A long in "network" (big-endian) order." |
| 19:24.08 | Inferno | they are ""network" (big-endian) order" |
| 19:24.15 | blast007 | but it's not a long |
| 19:24.29 | Inferno | it's 8 longs |
| 19:24.34 | blast007 | it's a string a.k.a. an array of chars |
| 19:24.34 | JeffM2501 | no it's not |
| 19:24.39 | JeffM2501 | it's 32 chars |
| 19:24.50 | JeffM2501 | they may be the same size |
| 19:24.53 | JeffM2501 | but not the same order |
| 19:25.03 | JeffM2501 | 8 longs will swap every 4 bytes around |
| 19:25.11 | Inferno | oh, yeah! |
| 19:25.12 | JeffM2501 | you can't just pick something the same size |
| 19:25.23 | JeffM2501 | you have no clue what you are doing do you? |
| 19:25.30 | Inferno | I do |
| 19:25.42 | blast007 | really? |
| 19:25.45 | JeffM2501 | then how can you be taking the random stabs in the dark? |
| 19:25.55 | JeffM2501 | when you should know perl networking |
| 19:26.24 | Inferno | ok, I don't understand the basis of perl bit handling |
| 19:26.33 | Inferno | I'm only surfaced |
| 19:26.48 | JeffM2501 | have you done anything with networking at all in perl? |
| 19:26.55 | JeffM2501 | or just made simple scripts |
| 19:27.00 | Inferno | I have done web servers, and clients |
| 19:27.02 | blast007 | Inferno: instead of writing something that interfaces with bzflag, maybe you should write a script that just plays around with pack'ing and unpack'ing stuff, just so you get used to how it all works |
| 19:27.29 | Inferno | I also make dynamic sites |
| 19:27.33 | blast007 | print out the data, pack it, unpack the result, and print the data again |
| 19:27.40 | blast007 | see if they match |
| 19:27.42 | Inferno | k |
| 19:27.50 | JeffM2501 | you made a web server in perl from scratch? |
| 19:27.55 | Inferno | yeah |
| 19:28.00 | JeffM2501 | or do you mean you did cgi stuff on a webserver? |
| 19:28.16 | Inferno | I made a "server" |
| 19:28.27 | JeffM2501 | how did you handle the data packing there? |
| 19:28.31 | Inferno | that processes requests |
| 19:29.06 | JeffM2501 | remember that HTML is all text, this is binary, AND you have to do UDP |
| 19:29.10 | JeffM2501 | not just tcp |
| 19:29.12 | Inferno | umm, it's not packed |
| 19:29.22 | JeffM2501 | that's because HTML is text |
| 19:29.26 | JeffM2501 | you don't have to pack text |
| 19:29.29 | Inferno | ahh, I did tcp |
| 19:29.38 | JeffM2501 | bzflag uses TPC and UDP |
| 19:29.42 | JeffM2501 | but not in a text format |
| 19:29.45 | Inferno | I knew that |
| 19:30.20 | Inferno | you don't have to pack stuff via http |
| 19:30.37 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 19:30.40 | JeffM2501 | you don't pack text |
| 19:30.43 | JeffM2501 | this is NOT HTTP |
| 19:31.01 | Inferno | jeff says "how did you handle the data packing there?" |
| 19:31.31 | JeffM2501 | you allready answered that |
| 19:31.32 | JeffM2501 | you didn't |
| 19:31.39 | Inferno | ok |
| 19:31.43 | JeffM2501 | so you know nothing about binary networking |
| 19:31.47 | JeffM2501 | you need to learn some |
| 19:31.55 | Inferno | ok |
| 19:32.08 | JeffM2501 | that is what blast sugested |
| 19:32.22 | JeffM2501 | start by learning how to send binary data around |
| 19:32.31 | JeffM2501 | from one CPU system to another |
| 19:32.54 | Inferno | it's hard with perl, cause it doesn't tough that well on that stuff |
| 19:33.18 | Inferno | should'nt tcp module do the packing? |
| 19:33.48 | blast007 | TCP is a communication protocol, that is used to send data over a reliable connection |
| 19:33.58 | Inferno | k |
| 19:34.09 | blast007 | it doesn't pack the data you give it, it just shoves it into a packet along with some headers, and passes it along |
| 19:34.09 | JeffM2501 | TCP dosn't know what the data is |
| 19:34.12 | JeffM2501 | it just sends it |
| 19:34.13 | Chestal | TCP offers a byte stream abstraction |
| 19:34.19 | JeffM2501 | how does it know a float from a int |
| 19:34.30 | Inferno | oh, I see |
| 19:34.42 | JeffM2501 | Inferno, why are you doing it in perl then? when it's not well made for it? |
| 19:34.59 | Inferno | cause, I know it |
| 19:35.04 | JeffM2501 | so |
| 19:35.09 | Inferno | I think I'm going to be learning c++ now :) |
| 19:35.16 | JeffM2501 | just because you know how to drive a car, dosn't mean you should try to make it fly |
| 19:35.31 | Inferno | LOL |
| 19:35.37 | JeffM2501 | perl does what it does, but it does not do all things |
| 19:35.49 | Inferno | well, It does do pack |
| 19:36.09 | JeffM2501 | you can make a car fly if you try hard enough, but it will never be as good as things that are designed to fly |
| 19:36.16 | JeffM2501 | and it won't be easy |
| 19:36.26 | Inferno | yep :) |
| 19:40.07 | blast007 | Inferno: how much are you planning to do with this? in other words, what is the scope of your project? |
| 19:40.25 | Inferno | for now, just joining a game |
| 19:40.25 | JeffM2501 | he is goin to make an autonomouse bot |
| 19:41.09 | Inferno | wegstart so made it easier than this |
| 19:41.26 | Inferno | all I needed was afew letters for a temp |
| 19:41.26 | JeffM2501 | how did he make it easyer? |
| 19:41.32 | blast007 | well, joining is nice, but what do you _hope_ to make this into? |
| 19:41.44 | Inferno | "HOPE" a bot |
| 19:42.12 | Inferno | Jeff, do you got logs from #bzflag? |
| 19:42.29 | JeffM2501 | ibot has logs |
| 19:42.33 | JeffM2501 | why do you ask? |
| 19:42.47 | Inferno | so I can look up what wegstar said, afew months ago |
| 19:42.48 | blast007 | Inferno: just to put this into perspective, on my project like this, I haven't even made the bot spawn yet, much less track player positions |
| 19:42.58 | blast007 | it's not an easy task |
| 19:43.06 | Inferno | ok, what are you using |
| 19:43.08 | blast007 | especially starting from scratch |
| 19:43.09 | JeffM2501 | the task is to basicly remake the client |
| 19:43.14 | wegstar | hat? |
| 19:43.15 | wegstar | what8 |
| 19:43.15 | blast007 | I'm using PHP |
| 19:43.20 | wegstar | Python |
| 19:43.32 | Inferno | ~logs |
| 19:43.33 | ibot | it has been said that logs is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/, or stats http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/bzflag.html.gz |
| 19:43.43 | JeffM2501 | out of all those 3, puthon is the best for it I've heard yet |
| 19:44.13 | blast007 | yeah, plus it can do OpenGL, so it's actually a useful thing to write :) |
| 19:44.16 | wegstar | yep :) |
| 19:44.26 | JeffM2501 | still not how i'd do it |
| 19:44.38 | JeffM2501 | but probably the best lang to support it in a useable maner |
| 19:44.52 | blast007 | the main reason I'm doing mine, is just to learn |
| 19:44.53 | JeffM2501 | of those 3 |
| 19:45.00 | JeffM2501 | a fair enough reason |
| 19:45.57 | Inferno | can I search through all the days some how? |
| 19:46.02 | Inferno | on the log |
| 19:46.37 | JeffM2501 | the logs are tehre per day |
| 19:46.47 | JeffM2501 | feel free to search them in your browsers |
| 19:46.50 | JeffM2501 | what are you looking for? |
| 19:47.03 | Inferno | the temp wegstar gave me, that WORKED |
| 19:47.19 | JeffM2501 | why not just ASK him again |
| 19:47.25 | wegstar | umm.. |
| 19:47.26 | Inferno | I did! |
| 19:47.30 | blast007 | don't you have your own logs? |
| 19:47.37 | Inferno | me, no |
| 19:47.46 | wegstar | lemme see mine |
| 19:47.48 | blast007 | and if he sent it to you privately, then it won't be in #bzflag |
| 19:48.02 | Inferno | wasn't private, I HOPE |
| 19:48.08 | wegstar | It wasn't I think |
| 19:48.08 | blast007 | :) |
| 19:48.11 | wegstar | ;) |
| 19:48.19 | JeffM2501 | do you KNOW what day it was on? |
| 19:48.32 | wegstar | before summer |
| 19:48.52 | Inferno | what month should I try weg? |
| 19:49.05 | wegstar | May, June? |
| 19:49.57 | JeffM2501 | the AI part of the bot is the hard part, yet everyone still seems to spend most of the time, remaking messages and protocolls, when it's allready done and working somewhere |
| 19:50.00 | Inferno | not june! |
| 19:50.14 | Inferno | lol, yeah |
| 19:50.16 | wegstar | ? |
| 19:50.29 | Inferno | I went threw june |
| 19:50.41 | JeffM2501 | how far away did it land? |
| 19:50.50 | Inferno | donno |
| 19:51.07 | Inferno | FOUND IT |
| 19:51.16 | Inferno | http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/20050504.html.gz |
| 19:51.28 | wegstar | great! |
| 19:52.18 | Inferno | on log, you sound like your a pro, and know everything, GRR |
| 19:52.52 | wegstar | what'ya expect :P |
| 19:53.04 | JeffM2501 | welcome to the internet kid |
| 19:53.14 | Inferno | HEY |
| 19:53.24 | JeffM2501 | hey what? |
| 19:53.25 | Inferno | that's confidential info |
| 19:53.28 | Inferno | lol |
| 19:53.28 | wegstar | ? |
| 19:53.36 | JeffM2501 | you act like one |
| 19:53.40 | JeffM2501 | it's not hard to see |
| 19:53.43 | JeffM2501 | you are a kid |
| 19:53.54 | Inferno | i'M 90 |
| 19:54.02 | wegstar | er... |
| 19:54.05 | JeffM2501 | gonna have to call BS on that one |
| 19:54.08 | Inferno | but my mom says not to give out my exact age, :) |
| 19:54.16 | JeffM2501 | whatever |
| 19:54.16 | Inferno | LOL |
| 19:54.32 | JeffM2501 | you are a child and act like one |
| 19:54.34 | JeffM2501 | simple as that |
| 19:54.44 | blast007 | if you reverse the digits, it's a lot closer ;) |
| 19:54.47 | Inferno | ok, 14 hrere |
| 19:55.00 | JeffM2501 | Inferno, it dosn't mater |
| 19:55.11 | Inferno | Jeff, you act like you 20! |
| 19:55.15 | Inferno | not old |
| 19:55.17 | JeffM2501 | really? |
| 19:55.18 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 19:55.20 | Inferno | YES |
| 19:55.21 | JeffM2501 | then I'm doing good |
| 19:55.24 | wegstar | ;) |
| 19:56.01 | JeffM2501 | and I'll even have my birthday soon |
| 19:56.11 | Inferno | how old r u really? |
| 19:56.14 | JeffM2501 | 32 |
| 19:56.25 | Inferno | aahhh, I was "CLOSE" |
| 19:56.40 | JeffM2501 | you were off by allmost your entire LIFETIME |
| 19:56.45 | Inferno | so I do: $request = pack("nnnna32a128a22a60", 246, 0x656e, $type, $team, $name, $email) |
| 19:56.48 | Inferno | is what log says |
| 19:56.50 | wegstar | umm |
| 19:57.00 | wegstar | that's for php, but I think it might work for Perl |
| 19:57.06 | JeffM2501 | ahh 128 for the mail |
| 19:57.10 | JeffM2501 | what a waste |
| 19:57.31 | wegstar | Inferno: http://www.cotse.com/perl/pack.html |
| 19:57.44 | Inferno | been there, scroll up, lol |
| 19:57.44 | JeffM2501 | wegstar, what is 22 long? |
| 19:57.44 | blast007 | yeah, the packing should be very similar |
| 19:57.52 | blast007 | token? |
| 19:57.56 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 19:57.58 | JeffM2501 | probably |
| 19:58.44 | Inferno | wegstart, I was getting some what close without you |
| 19:58.58 | wegstar | ah |
| 19:59.02 | Inferno | I has a's and n's but not enough 'n stuff! |
| 19:59.30 | wegstar | wait.. so does your thingy actually connect? |
| 19:59.32 | JeffM2501 | yeah token |
| 19:59.34 | blast007 | it's missing the token, and the version |
| 19:59.40 | JeffM2501 | then 60 for t he vers |
| 19:59.52 | JeffM2501 | what a waste of space on the e-mail |
| 19:59.56 | Inferno | wegstar, give me a second |
| 19:59.57 | blast007 | yeah... |
| 20:00.00 | JeffM2501 | I should put something in there :) |
| 20:00.04 | wegstar | :) |
| 20:00.48 | Inferno | It worked, *SHOUT FOR JOY* |
| 20:00.54 | wegstar | :) |
| 20:01.39 | JeffM2501 | so how are you going to get the other 100+ messages? |
| 20:01.39 | Inferno | Jeff, you know PM's does everyclient get them? |
| 20:01.46 | Inferno | donno |
| 20:01.50 | JeffM2501 | Inferno, what? |
| 20:02.01 | JeffM2501 | you mean a message from player to plaer? |
| 20:02.25 | Inferno | when you send a PM in bz, does it go to every client, does the client decide to show it? |
| 20:02.31 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 20:02.32 | blast007 | bzfs only sends messages to the people they are directed to |
| 20:02.38 | JeffM2501 | the server is smart |
| 20:02.43 | Inferno | oh, cause I was thinking |
| 20:02.44 | Inferno | ... |
| 20:02.55 | JeffM2501 | doubtfull |
| 20:03.14 | JeffM2501 | no you can't scam other people's chat |
| 20:03.21 | Inferno | ... |
| 20:03.25 | Inferno | k :) |
| 20:03.29 | Inferno | l |
| 20:05.43 | Inferno | yo jeff, what wegstar gave follows : http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/bzflag/bzflag/doc/Attic/protocol.txt?view=markup EXACTLY |
| 20:06.39 | blast007 | um, no, no it doesn't |
| 20:06.53 | Inferno | what? |
| 20:06.57 | blast007 | protocol.txt is missing the token and the version |
| 20:07.17 | Inferno | it worked likewise |
| 20:07.29 | blast007 | likewise won't get you by |
| 20:07.36 | blast007 | you need to exact protocol |
| 20:07.41 | Inferno | it did!!! |
| 20:08.01 | blast007 | ... |
| 20:08.02 | Inferno | anyway, where do I add that stuff then |
| 20:08.21 | blast007 | what stuff? |
| 20:08.30 | Inferno | token...? |
| 20:09.54 | JeffM2501 | token |
| 20:10.09 | wegstar | well.. here's the python version: pack(">4H32s128s22s60s", 246, 0x656e, type, team, name, email, token, "PyBzCC 0.0.1 alpha") |
| 20:10.12 | JeffM2501 | Inferno, there are probably things that havent' changed from the docs |
| 20:10.18 | JeffM2501 | but there are some that have |
| 20:10.24 | JeffM2501 | I just said the doc wasn't current |
| 20:10.26 | JeffM2501 | and it's not |
| 20:10.50 | Inferno | k, jeff |
| 20:11.02 | wegstar | I dunno about hte version... |
| 20:11.13 | Inferno | whata does token =? |
| 20:11.27 | JeffM2501 | it's for global auth |
| 20:11.35 | JeffM2501 | it comes from the list server |
| 20:11.43 | Inferno | oh, password? |
| 20:11.52 | JeffM2501 | NO |
| 20:11.55 | JeffM2501 | it's the token |
| 20:12.01 | JeffM2501 | passwords are not sent to server |
| 20:12.03 | Inferno | how do you get it? |
| 20:12.16 | JeffM2501 | you send your username and password to the list server |
| 20:12.19 | JeffM2501 | and it gives you a token |
| 20:12.24 | Inferno | ah |
| 20:12.29 | JeffM2501 | like to ride the bus |
| 20:12.33 | *** join/#bzflag I_Died_Once (n=I_Died_O@pcp0010382004pcs.savana01.ga.comcast.net) |
| 20:12.34 | JeffM2501 | then you give the token to the server |
| 20:12.47 | Inferno | ok |
| 20:12.54 | I_Died_Once | WHo'd you give your "token" to this time, Jeff? |
| 20:13.20 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 20:13.28 | JeffM2501 | I guard my tokens highly |
| 20:13.35 | I_Died_Once | is DTRemenak here? |
| 20:13.41 | JeffM2501 | lest they come back to bite me in the butt |
| 20:13.47 | DTRemenak | he might be |
| 20:13.48 | JeffM2501 | do you see his name in the list? |
| 20:13.49 | Inferno | sure.... |
| 20:14.04 | I_Died_Once | Well his name on the list does not mean he is at the computer |
| 20:14.10 | I_Died_Once | Question: |
| 20:14.28 | Inferno | ~seen DTRemenak |
| 20:14.32 | ibot | dtremenak is currently on #bzflag (1h 56m 42s) #brlcad (1h 56m 42s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 45s |
| 20:14.32 | I_Died_Once | Is it possible to have two differnt values - one for shockwave death and one for regular shockwave? |
| 20:14.48 | DTRemenak | values? |
| 20:15.05 | I_Died_Once | so I can have the shockwaveDeath be one size.. |
| 20:15.17 | I_Died_Once | and regular shockwave be a dirrent size.. |
| 20:15.26 | I_Died_Once | each with different values |
| 20:15.31 | DTRemenak | it would be possible to do that, yes |
| 20:15.31 | Inferno | wth? |
| 20:15.37 | JeffM2501 | I_Died_Once, yeah |
| 20:15.50 | JeffM2501 | I just made it pull the default from bzdb |
| 20:15.58 | I_Died_Once | liek /set _shockwaveDeathOutRadius 25 |
| 20:15.58 | JeffM2501 | but the plugin could pass in a smaller one |
| 20:16.03 | JeffM2501 | not really |
| 20:16.06 | JeffM2501 | not a rad |
| 20:16.19 | JeffM2501 | once it's fired it' is the same as a player SW |
| 20:16.23 | JeffM2501 | we can change the lifetime |
| 20:16.28 | JeffM2501 | it woudn't be a "set" tho |
| 20:16.35 | I_Died_Once | can you give different options for the deathlySW |
| 20:16.35 | JeffM2501 | it'd be part of the plugin init |
| 20:16.39 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 20:16.43 | I_Died_Once | gah |
| 20:16.53 | JeffM2501 | like I said, once it's fired its the same as any other |
| 20:17.07 | JeffM2501 | the server or clients don't know what a "Death" SW is |
| 20:17.26 | JeffM2501 | to them, the server just happend to fire a world weap right then |
| 20:17.37 | JeffM2501 | the lifetime can change the size tho |
| 20:17.41 | I_Died_Once | I was hoping to have the shockwavedeath event to be a different size from when a regular shockwave was fired |
| 20:18.02 | JeffM2501 | I can adjust the lifetime |
| 20:18.06 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501, any particular reason you *couldn't* have it grab a bzdb var to pass as the lifetime? |
| 20:18.09 | JeffM2501 | that will make it smaller ( and shorter ) |
| 20:18.18 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, it could |
| 20:18.19 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 20:18.30 | JeffM2501 | but it would only be lifetime, not all the other paramaters |
| 20:18.36 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 20:18.39 | I_Died_Once | ok.... |
| 20:18.42 | I_Died_Once | how about... |
| 20:18.53 | DTRemenak | I think it would still accomplish what I_Died_Once is looking for though |
| 20:18.58 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:19.02 | JeffM2501 | make them smaller or biger |
| 20:19.10 | Inferno | "bigger" |
| 20:19.18 | JeffM2501 | I'd have the plugin check for a "factor" in bzdb |
| 20:19.23 | I_Died_Once | when defining a world weapon, can you give the world weapon its own _values? |
| 20:19.29 | JeffM2501 | if it's there then use it to multiply the default |
| 20:19.33 | JeffM2501 | I_Died_Once, no |
| 20:19.42 | JeffM2501 | if you could, then I could change them for the plugin one too |
| 20:20.08 | DTRemenak | I_Died_Once, none of that is passed to the client. the client sees "shockwave" and looks up "how big do I make a shockwave?" |
| 20:20.20 | I_Died_Once | how hard would it be to change it to where you CAN give it values? |
| 20:20.30 | DTRemenak | that would be protocol-breaking |
| 20:20.35 | JeffM2501 | now when I rule the world, it'll be packed with all kinds of optional data :) |
| 20:20.37 | I_Died_Once | You guys are supposed be going "yeah, I think we can implement that" |
| 20:20.50 | JeffM2501 | I_Died_Once, what do you think I just said :) |
| 20:20.54 | DTRemenak | 'cause the client would have to see "shockwave of size 60" instead of just "shockwave" :) |
| 20:20.58 | JeffM2501 | but not in 2.0.x |
| 20:21.18 | I_Died_Once | You guys know Im just full of.... |
| 20:21.33 | I_Died_Once | ideas |
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| 20:22.59 | JeffM2501 | . |
| 20:23.39 | ToughShooter | Can someone explain me what's going on when I start BZFLag (todays CVS checkout)? http://pastebin.com/353860 |
| 20:24.15 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/plugins/shockwaveDeath/shockwaveDeath.cpp: chec for _swDeathReloadFactor when computing the lifetime |
| 20:24.21 | I_Died_Once | how about *onEvent /set _shockOutRadius 15 _shockInRadius 1 ***boom*** *_shockOutRadius backToWhatever _shockInRadius BackToWhatever |
| 20:24.43 | JeffM2501 | I_Died_Once, can't do that |
| 20:24.53 | JeffM2501 | you just have to wait |
| 20:25.36 | ToughShooter | Built of August, 30th worked |
| 20:25.41 | JeffM2501 | like I say, when I rule the world, no problem |
| 20:25.45 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, you are crashing |
| 20:25.47 | JeffM2501 | don't crash |
| 20:25.51 | JeffM2501 | works a lot better |
| 20:27.07 | ToughShooter | I would like not to crash. I've seen that video on my computer, could it break BZFLag? http://www.nightpoint.ch/winsongs95.mov ;) |
| 20:28.09 | JeffM2501 | does a standard build work? not your altivec one? |
| 20:28.25 | ToughShooter | When I specify -d as parameter my terminal window vanishes |
| 20:28.43 | ToughShooter | I'll try, 5 minutes please |
| 20:28.47 | JeffM2501 | is that good or bad? |
| 20:31.25 | ToughShooter | vanishing of terminal window is really bad, because it should not vanish even when all processes that have been running inside that window have quit |
| 20:33.34 | Inferno | it asks if your a bot, ofcourse I'm not going to say I'm a bot! |
| 20:34.21 | ToughShooter | ibot, ToughShooter is a piece of Software written in Haskell |
| 20:34.22 | ibot | ToughShooter: okay |
| 20:35.29 | Inferno | ibot, I heard Inferno was the smartest kid since Einzstein |
| 20:35.30 | ibot | You heard Inferno was the smartest kid since Einzstein? |
| 20:36.02 | Inferno | ibot, Inferno, I heard Inferno was the smartest kid since Einzstein |
| 20:36.12 | wegstar | no... ;) |
| 20:36.18 | Inferno | ~Inferno |
| 20:36.19 | ibot | from memory, inferno is trying to make a BZBOT in perl. |
| 20:36.21 | Inferno | YES :) |
| 20:36.31 | Inferno | NO :(!!! |
| 20:36.36 | purple_cow | obviously not ;) |
| 20:36.40 | blast007 | the key word is 'trying' |
| 20:36.46 | Inferno | lol |
| 20:36.48 | wegstar | ;) |
| 20:37.10 | Inferno | wegstar, wanna give me the tmplate for sending a message? |
| 20:37.15 | Inferno | plz |
| 20:37.34 | wegstar | wel.. I'm afraid that you might abuse it... ;) |
| 20:37.40 | blast007 | if we give you all the answers, you won't learn |
| 20:37.54 | Inferno | I already learned, somewhat |
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| 20:38.01 | Inferno | what, I wont |
| 20:38.27 | Inferno | I haven't been banned, I'm admin at a server.... |
| 20:38.47 | Inferno | and I haven't abused anything before |
| 20:39.09 | wegstar | well... what blast007 said :P |
| 20:39.10 | Inferno | exepct my CPU, :) |
| 20:39.50 | Inferno | BLAST! |
| 20:40.25 | JeffM2501 | I doubt you could abuse a CPU if you tried, short of taking a hammer to it |
| 20:40.44 | Inferno | keep doubting :) |
| 20:41.57 | JeffM2501 | it's a CPU |
| 20:42.19 | JeffM2501 | I don't see you doing anything kooky with CPU level instructions, so there isn't a thing you can do to abuse it |
| 20:42.34 | JeffM2501 | running perl on it is a valid use, not an abuse |
| 20:43.07 | JeffM2501 | running perl on it is prety freaking easy for it in most respects |
| 20:43.55 | JeffM2501 | 1 meg for every customer |
| 20:44.03 | purple_cow | well, it's got 2 cores, each with 12MB cache |
| 20:44.11 | purple_cow | and 12MB isn't new for ia64 |
| 20:44.32 | JeffM2501 | stop talking about dual cores, you'r making me want to go to fry's |
| 20:44.39 | ToughShooter | Yeah, but cache isn't really cheap, AFAIR. |
| 20:44.47 | wegstar | ;) |
| 20:44.48 | purple_cow | 2 ia64 cores is very different from 2 amd64 cores ;-) |
| 20:44.54 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 20:45.05 | JeffM2501 | but that still makes me want to upgrade this POS |
| 20:45.06 | purple_cow | ToughShooter: ia64 is not an architecture for the consumer on a budget |
| 20:45.40 | JeffM2501 | for IA64 you shuld have a dedicated use for it that requires that CPU |
| 20:45.52 | ToughShooter | purple_cow: I know, but it sounds...really high. I would like to do some tests with this CPU.. |
| 20:46.49 | purple_cow | i wouldn't recommend ia64 for anyone that isn't doing serious number crunching |
| 20:46.55 | ToughShooter | It's not a superscalar processor so optimizing will be going on at compile time, that sounds interesting |
| 20:47.16 | purple_cow | but for the right applications, ia64 can be considered "bookin" |
| 20:47.36 | JeffM2501 | for the right amount of $$$ |
| 20:47.49 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, how many extra grand you got laying around? |
| 20:49.38 | Inferno | MsgNetworkRelay, is this to determine lag or something? |
| 20:50.12 | JeffM2501 | a "grand" is 1000$USD |
| 20:50.15 | Inferno | 1 grand = $1000 |
| 20:51.00 | JeffM2501 | how many extras of those do you have just sitting around? |
| 20:52.05 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: A fresh recompile without the CFLAGS and a make distclean previously still leads to a segfault |
| 20:52.15 | JeffM2501 | suxorz |
| 20:52.18 | JeffM2501 | debug it |
| 20:52.21 | JeffM2501 | see where it dies |
| 20:52.33 | ToughShooter | How? |
| 20:52.40 | JeffM2501 | run it in your debuger |
| 20:53.04 | ToughShooter | Aww, I'm still really bad with gdb |
| 20:53.11 | JeffM2501 | use xcode |
| 20:53.16 | purple_cow | you won't get better if you don't use it |
| 20:53.50 | ToughShooter | Sounds like I need to install SDL-framework then |
| 20:58.53 | ToughShooter | Is it the outdated .xcode file in top dir? |
| 20:59.12 | JeffM2501 | outdated? |
| 20:59.23 | JeffM2501 | I don't know of any outdated one |
| 20:59.29 | ToughShooter | XCode project file format has changed |
| 20:59.50 | JeffM2501 | xcode will auto update it |
| 21:00.47 | ToughShooter | Yes, now I need to copy the missing plist file from my own builds, to make it compile I guess |
| 21:01.02 | JeffM2501 | I never have to copy anything |
| 21:01.06 | JeffM2501 | it allways just works |
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| 21:01.38 | JeffM2501 | allyou need to do is use the debuger in it,if you built it with the command line, it's built |
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| 21:04.39 | ToughShooter | There's a file called BZFLag-Info.plist.in in /src/platform/MacOSX but XCode looks for BZFLag-Info.plist |
| 21:05.00 | ToughShooter | Hmpf, now the build failed with no description why |
| 21:09.18 | ToughShooter | Hmm, I needed to run ./autogen.sh; ./configure from command line. I better keep trying a bit before spamming the channel |
| 21:19.15 | Inferno | thx for all the help guys, I'm already recieving mesgs |
| 21:21.23 | Death_Barrel | anyone here got any recommendations for a dvd ripper (linux) (an rpm would be super) |
| 21:22.13 | orchid | dvdrip |
| 21:22.40 | orchid | http://www.exit1.org/dvdrip/ |
| 21:22.53 | Death_Barrel | thx |
| 21:25.12 | Birdie | ~orchid++ |
| 21:25.16 | Birdie | ~karma orchid |
| 21:25.16 | ibot | orchid has karma of 42 |
| 21:25.22 | Birdie | i knew she was nice |
| 21:26.54 | wegstar | ;) |
| 21:33.19 | ToughShooter | Ok, I got it running after fixing the second script and XCode shows me the error |
| 21:34.13 | ToughShooter | (the second script had wrong pathnames, which had been changed with newer XCode version) |
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| 21:39.44 | ToughShooter | Any ideas? http://pastebin.com/353916 |
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| 23:22.31 | Inferno | everyone left :)??? |
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| 23:39.47 | callofhonor | Hey JeffM2501 |
| 23:40.07 | JeffM2501 | yes? |
| 23:40.32 | callofhonor | didn't you say i was going to do something stupid? |
| 23:41.05 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 23:41.39 | callofhonor | i thought you said i was going to do something stupid, and well i did sorta... |
| 23:41.59 | JeffM2501 | umm ok |
| 23:42.02 | JeffM2501 | what did you do? |
| 23:42.23 | callofhonor | i was in a mountain biking accident and broke my caller bone |
| 23:42.31 | JeffM2501 | ouch |
| 23:43.11 | callofhonor | i'm in 2 slings, a normal sling, and an 8-figure sling |
| 23:44.01 | JeffM2501 | sux |
| 23:44.14 | callofhonor | oh i'm also taking C *plus* *plus* and i think it's the best class in the world |
| 23:44.31 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 23:45.13 | callofhonor | i posted some pictures of me and one of my dad's boat on brad2901's website, it's under screenshots |
| 23:45.21 | JeffM2501 | I saw |
| 23:46.12 | callofhonor | their from last year, i've grown a lot since then and i look different |
| 23:46.35 | JeffM2501 | umm ok |
| 23:47.15 | callofhonor | btw what's A*plus* certification? |
| 23:47.59 | JeffM2501 | one of the many computer ceritifcation programes |
| 23:48.01 | JeffM2501 | like MSCE |
| 23:48.54 | callofhonor | i'm getting a couple cases of rockets next weekend |
| 23:49.39 | callofhonor | dinner. cya |
| 23:49.39 | JeffM2501 | so you can burn yourself? ;) |
| 23:50.07 | callofhonor | actually blow stuff up, my friends and i will use them as missles |
| 23:50.14 | JeffM2501 | umm why? |
| 23:50.26 | JeffM2501 | what do you have that needs blowing up? |
| 23:50.30 | callofhonor | i'm only getting B,C, and E's\ |
| 23:50.32 | callofhonor | .bye |
| 23:50.38 | JeffM2501 | pshhh children |
| 23:50.50 | callofhonor | microwaves, atv's, tv's |
| 23:50.56 | JeffM2501 | lame |
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| 23:56.39 | callofhonor | nvm i guess not |
| 23:57.19 | callofhonor | jeffm2501 what did you say shhhhhhhhh to? |
| 23:58.48 | callofhonor | !weather 03801 |
| 23:58.50 | TheLastSpartan | callofhonor: The current temperature in Portsmouth, New Hampshire (03801) is 77°F (6:55 PM EDT on September 03, 2005). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 54°F. Pressure: 29.93 in (1013 hPa). Visibility: 20.0 miles (32.2 kilometers). UV: 0 out of 16 |