irclog2html for #bzflag on 20050907

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`00:19.18`	`JeffM2501`	`if a parser is something that reads something and then turns it into data, whats a thing that takes data and writes it out?`
`00:25.14`	`blast007`	`I typically use the terms 'importer' and 'exporter', or 'reader' and 'writer', but maybe 'assembler'?`
`00:31.51`	`JeffM2501`	`spewer`
`00:33.02`	`JeffM2501`	`constructor is probably ok`
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`00:41.03`	`bz6370`	`does any 1 no why,i cant connect to silverfox's server,and im not the only 1`
`00:41.15`	`bz6370`	`i mean silvercat`
`00:47.10`	`JeffM2501`	`what happens when you try?`
`00:56.33`	`bz6370`	`it syas error connecting`
`00:56.37`	`bz6370`	`**says`
`00:56.42`	`bz6370`	`sry for late respond :)`
`00:57.44`	`blast007`	`can you access http://silvercat.tybox.net/ ?`
`00:58.16`	`bz6370`	`let me try`
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`00:59.41`	`bz6370`	`nope`
`01:00.13`	`blast007`	`hmm, so maybe firewalled out, or dns troubles`
`01:00.23`	`blast007`	`try http://68.185.29.18/`
`01:00.28`	`bz6370`	`k`
`01:01.14`	`bz6370`	`nope`
`01:01.30`	`blast007`	`k`
`01:01.31`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah you are blocked from it for some reason`
`01:01.35`	`JeffM2501`	`you have a filter or something?`
`01:01.43`	`JeffM2501`	`anything that limits where you can go?`
`01:02.10`	`bz6370`	`no`
`01:02.14`	`bz6370`	`no firewall`
`01:02.16`	`bz6370`	`nothing`
`01:02.27`	`JeffM2501`	`then probably a problem between your ISP and them`
`01:02.47`	`bz6370`	`what can i do?`
`01:02.51`	`JeffM2501`	`not much`
`01:03.05`	`JeffM2501`	`it is not something that you realy have controll over`
`01:03.20`	`bz6370`	`okay`
`01:03.28`	`bz6370`	`what could they do?the server operator`
`01:03.38`	`JeffM2501`	`it's not them ether`
`01:03.54`	`JeffM2501`	`it is probably ether your ISP or just something in the net between you and them`
`01:04.01`	`bz6370`	`k`
`01:04.07`	`JeffM2501`	`it happens from time to time, it is the way of the internet`
`01:04.09`	`blast007`	`could have blocked the ISP for some reason`
`01:04.19`	`JeffM2501`	`posibly`
`01:04.23`	`bz6370`	`how would u find out?`
`01:04.32`	`JeffM2501`	`call your ISP`
`01:04.38`	`JeffM2501`	`see if they can trace to him`
`01:04.51`	`JeffM2501`	`or just wait it out a couple hours and see what's up later`
`01:05.03`	`blast007`	`bz6370: another thing to check is if the other users that are blocked have comcast too`
`01:05.17`	`bz6370`	`ye`
`01:05.20`	`bz6370`	`*yes`
`01:05.29`	`bz6370`	`jeff i havent been able to connect for weeks`
`01:05.40`	`JeffM2501`	`that sucks`
`01:05.54`	`JeffM2501`	`probably a firewall or block in the route somewhere`
`01:06.01`	`JeffM2501`	`what OS are you on?`
`01:06.48`	`bz6370`	`OS?`
`01:06.58`	`blast007`	`operating system`
`01:06.59`	`bz6370`	`i use windows xp`
`01:07.14`	`JeffM2501`	`can you ping or tracert to the server?`
`01:08.04`	`bz6370`	`im not to smart with compiuters but ive tried some things but nothing willg et me in`
`01:08.33`	`JeffM2501`	`somone probably blocked your ISP somewhere on the line`
`01:08.35`	`JeffM2501`	`I'd call them`
`01:08.56`	`bz6370`	`ok`
`01:08.59`	`bz6370`	`and say..`
`01:09.23`	`JeffM2501`	`tell them there is a website you can not get to`
`01:09.43`	`JeffM2501`	`http://silvercat.tybox.net/`
`01:09.59`	`bz6370`	`kk`
`01:10.02`	`bz6370`	`thanks`
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`01:52.08`	`CIA-2`	`BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/tools/mapedit/ (11 files in 8 dirs):`
`01:52.08`	`CIA-2`	`BZFlag: add saving of world files in text.`
`01:52.09`	`CIA-2`	`BZFlag: add std file save to app`
`01:52.34`	`RPG_`	`ooh a mapedit tool`
`01:52.56`	`JeffM2501`	`of sorts`
`01:53.26`	`RPG_`	`progress %?`
`01:53.34`	`JeffM2501`	`hard to say`
`01:53.50`	`RPG_`	`does ti have a GUI yet?`
`01:53.58`	`JeffM2501`	`when you dont' know where it will end up`
`01:54.00`	`JeffM2501`	`ohh yeah`
`01:54.07`	`RPG_`	`i'll check it out`
`01:54.07`	`JeffM2501`	`of sorts`
`01:54.15`	`JeffM2501`	`it dosnt' actualy DO anything`
`01:54.38`	`JeffM2501`	`well I should say what gui it has, depends on your OS`
`01:54.54`	`JeffM2501`	`under windows, you'll get a GL window and an object list, with file open and save dialogs`
`01:55.01`	`JeffM2501`	`under OSX you'll get a window`
`01:55.14`	`JeffM2501`	`under linux you'll get nothing`
`01:55.16`	`RPG_`	`heh`
`01:55.51`	`JeffM2501`	`it has no 'editor' abilitys`
`01:56.43`	`RPG_`	`does it have anon CVS?`
`01:56.54`	`RPG_`	`reprase: is it under the BZFlag CVS tree?`
`01:57.34`	`RPG_`	`ohh i got it now`
`01:57.34`	`JeffM2501`	`CIA-2 told you exactly where it is`
`01:57.39`	`RPG_`	`just CVS inexperence`
`01:58.08`	`JeffM2501`	`tho I dono why your building it`
`01:58.16`	`RPG_`	`to see`
`01:58.21`	`JeffM2501`	`to see what?`
`01:58.27`	`RPG_`	`the GUI`
`01:58.32`	`JeffM2501`	`it's just a window`
`01:58.35`	`JeffM2501`	`that's it`
`01:58.50`	`RPG_`	`libIRC?`
`01:59.13`	`JeffM2501`	`huh?`
`01:59.29`	`RPG_`	`It needs libIRC`
`01:59.38`	`JeffM2501`	`the editor`
`01:59.39`	`JeffM2501`	`no`
`02:00.11`	`RPG_`	`i think i got the wrong thing`
`02:00.19`	`RPG_`	`heh`
`02:00.24`	`JeffM2501`	`I don't think you know what you got`
`02:00.32`	`RPG_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:00.39`	`RPG_`	`i was tring to build the root folder`
`02:00.50`	`JeffM2501`	`why would you do that`
`02:00.55`	`JeffM2501`	`it needs libirc`
`02:00.58`	`JeffM2501`	`and many other things`
`02:01.22`	`RPG_`	`i saw the VC7 folder, and instinctively clicked on it`
`02:03.56`	`JeffM2501`	`why would you do that?`
`02:04.23`	`RPG_`	`'cause i didn't take the time to read the full path to the program`
`02:04.55`	`JeffM2501`	`and you've allready seen the gui`
`02:05.10`	`JeffM2501`	`with the old sample world`
`02:09.52`	`CIA-2`	`BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/tools/mapedit/ (inc/world.h src/world.cpp): intent on save, with some generic indent rules for unknown items`
`02:22.40`	`RPG_`	`What type of value does`
`02:22.40`	`RPG_`	`((bz_CTFCaptureEventData*)eventData)->teamCapped`
`02:22.40`	`RPG_`	`hold?`
`02:24.35`	`JeffM2501`	`a team`
`02:24.39`	`RPG_`	`int?`
`02:24.53`	`JeffM2501`	`no`
`02:25.09`	`RPG_`	`if(((bz_CTFCaptureEventData*)eventData)->teamCapped == eGreenTeam)`
`02:25.12`	`JeffM2501`	`bz_eTeamType`
`02:33.56`	`RPG_`	`how do you get the interger length of an std::string?`
`02:34.03`	`JeffM2501`	`size()`
`02:36.21`	`CIA-2`	`BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/tools/mapedit/ (inc/world.h src/world.cpp): start parsing real world objects`
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`03:23.48`	`Jayhawk`	`hello`
`03:23.56`	`Aribeth`	`howdy`
`03:24.03`	`Jayhawk`	`good, you're here`
`03:24.12`	`Aribeth`	`im always here`
`03:24.36`	`Jayhawk`	`it's sometimes strange talking to bigger nerds than me. :)`
`03:25.06`	`Aribeth`	`everyone is equal in my eye`
`03:25.13`	`Aribeth`	`lol`
`03:25.15`	`Jayhawk`	`:)`
`03:25.23`	`Jayhawk`	`ok everyone, here's my problem`
`03:25.32`	`Jayhawk`	`I have sound in everything but bzflag`
`03:25.44`	`Jayhawk`	`when I look at audio options I see`
`03:25.55`	`Jayhawk`	`Volume: unavailable`
`03:26.25`	`Jayhawk`	`when I start bzflag via terminal I get no error messages`
`03:26.44`	`Jayhawk`	`I'm running SuSE Professional 9.3, Gnome 2.10`
`03:27.01`	`Jayhawk`	`(2.10.2 I think)`
`03:27.15`	`Jayhawk`	`any help would be much appreciated`
`03:28.06`	`Aribeth`	`methinks noone is home`
`03:28.09`	`Jayhawk`	`busy folks around here`
`03:28.34`	`Jayhawk`	`I DID shower today. You can't smell me, right?`
`03:28.59`	`Jayhawk`	`right?`
`03:29.12`	`Jayhawk`	`oh man! I KNEW it!`
`03:29.16`	`Aribeth`	`#bzflag is empty????`
`03:29.29`	`Jayhawk`	`nope, we're in it. :)`
`03:29.34`	`Aribeth`	`heh`
`03:30.02`	`Aribeth`	`all i can say is try again in a bit`
`03:30.14`	`Jayhawk`	`well, maybe tomorrow or something`
`03:30.20`	`Jayhawk`	`I'm tired`
`03:30.27`	`Aribeth`	`ok`
`03:30.33`	`Jayhawk`	`thanks anyway!`
`03:30.36`	`Aribeth`	`np`
`03:30.40`	`Jayhawk`	`cya`
`03:30.43`	`Aribeth`	`cya`
`03:30.54`	`trepan`	`bye`
`03:31.25`	`Aribeth`	`hi trepan`
`03:31.37`	`trepan`	`hello Ari`
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`03:31.53`	`Aribeth`	`how are things trepan`
`03:32.17`	`trepan`	`same old ...`
`03:32.25`	`Aribeth`	`same here`
`03:49.20`	`orange`	`trepan: got a half a sec?`
`03:53.01`	`orange`	`or, anyone fairly familiar with the PlayerInfo class, got a sec for a simple question?`
`03:54.07`	`Aribeth`	`its so quiet in here tonight i can hear a feather drop`
`03:54.32`	`orange`	`heh, hey Aribeth, yeah, people must be off having lives`
`03:54.47`	`Aribeth`	`ecept us :P`
`03:55.08`	`orange`	`well, yeah :-)`
`03:56.46`	`orange`	`I made a change to a file, and it works just fine, but it seems like what I did was dumb and redundant. Like running something through rot13 twice in a row just to get back the original text. I'm hoping someone can tell me if there was already a way to get at what I wanted.`
`03:56.57`	`orange`	`basically, I'm offering someone the chance to make me feel dumb :-)`
`03:57.29`	`trepan`	`orange: what was the change?`
`03:57.48`	`orange`	`in include/PlayerInfo.h`
`03:57.58`	`orange`	`in class PlayerInfo`
`03:58.00`	`orange`	`I added this line:`
`03:58.01`	`orange`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:58.18`	`trepan`	`i suggesting that very same change yesterday to SilverFox`
`03:58.25`	`trepan`	`s/ing/ed/`
`03:58.35`	`orange`	`ah, this was for him`
`03:58.41`	`trepan`	`figured as much`
`03:58.42`	`orange`	`I came to that one on my own... so it isn't redundant?`
`03:59.11`	`orange`	`then in LagInfo.cxx I just did:`
`03:59.11`	`orange`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:59.20`	`orange`	`and it seems to work great for me`
`04:05.18`	`orange`	`ah yes, I see where you suggested it... cool, I did it right :-)`
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`04:07.54`	`orange`	`I had to add:`
`04:07.58`	`orange`	`#include <ctype.h>`
`04:08.00`	`orange`	`to src/bzflag/LocalCommand.cxx`
`04:08.04`	`orange`	`so it would compile`
`04:08.27`	`orange`	`no biggie, it just seems like it oughta be there, even if it works for some people without it`
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`06:10.55`	`CIA-2`	`BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/LocalCommand.cxx: from orange: include a missing system header file`
`06:11.37`	`orange`	`thanks trepan`
`06:13.21`	`trepan`	`nah, tup should thank you ;)`
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`08:24.00`	`ToughShooter`	`~logs`
`08:24.02`	`ibot`	`from memory, logs is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/, or stats http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/bzflag.html.gz`
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`08:35.21`	`Tupone`	`learner, brlcad it's late!!`
`08:36.29`	`_Manu_`	`late for him, earlier for us :)`
`08:38.24`	`Birdie`	`10.30 is so early on a day`
`08:39.04`	`Tupone`	`_Manu_ time is 9:30 I guess`
`08:39.24`	`_Manu_`	`it's 10.38 am here`
`08:39.39`	`ToughShooter`	`Here, too`
`08:39.50`	`_Manu_`	`Berlin, Paris, Madrid :)`
`08:39.56`	`Tupone`	`Rome`
`08:39.58`	`_Manu_`	`same time zone`
`08:40.16`	`_Manu_`	`Rome too? oh`
`08:40.53`	`_Manu_`	`Birdie, after a festive day yes`
`08:40.55`	`Birdie`	`Brussels yay:)`
`08:42.46`	`_Manu_`	`brussels sprouts :)`
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`09:54.46`	`Tupone`	`DTRemenak, are you awake for a question?`
`11:08.55`	`Grumbler`	`silence is just a prelude to voice, which in turn is a prelude to silence`
`11:58.14`	`Birdie`	`~dict silence`
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`12:43.57`	`davyd`	`hey dudes, I'm having a real strange problem`
`12:44.04`	`davyd`	`I can't actually shoot anything`
`12:44.10`	`davyd`	`the shots go off, and through other tanks`
`12:44.15`	`davyd`	`but no one actually dies`
`12:44.25`	`davyd`	`I interact with the environment, but not with the players`
`12:46.10`	`Chestal`	`sounds as if your UDP packets get filtered`
`12:46.23`	`Chestal`	`does /lagstats show anything for you?`
`12:46.52`	`davyd`	`I get values for the other players, 16, 23, 47`
`12:47.32`	`davyd`	`other players can certainly hit me`
`12:50.49`	`davyd`	`if UDP is being filtered, then surely I wouldn't be able to traceroute`
`12:51.14`	`davyd`	`if I turn off 'UDP Connect' the minute I try to fire, it disconnects me from the server, telling me to use UDP`
`12:51.49`	`davyd`	`FWIW, this is v2.0.2 on an amd64 if there is a specific bug people know about`
`12:53.02`	`Chestal`	`what does lagstats show for you?`
`12:53.34`	`davyd`	`it is giving lag values for players, 17-47 ms`
`12:53.39`	`davyd`	`for me it says 25`
`12:53.54`	`Chestal`	`can you join tlz.bzflag.org ?`
`12:53.58`	`davyd`	`sure`
`12:54.33`	`Chestal`	`default port 5154`
`12:57.52`	`davyd`	`damned lag`
`12:58.02`	`davyd`	`I could probably recompile with gcc3.4`
`12:58.35`	`Chestal`	`either compile 2.0.2 with odler version (3.3 works, 3.4 maybe) or compile newest (CVS) source with any compiler`
`12:58.41`	`Chestal`	`I have to go`
`12:58.45`	`davyd`	`ok`
`12:58.49`	`davyd`	`thanks`
`12:59.08`	`davyd`	`although why do I see this bug, and no one else using the same version, compiled with the same etc. etc.`
`12:59.17`	`davyd`	`is it a 64-bit thing?`
`12:59.20`	`Chestal`	`no`
`12:59.24`	`Chestal`	`several people have problems`
`12:59.29`	`davyd`	`ok`
`12:59.31`	`Chestal`	`for some, the effect is a bit different though`
`12:59.45`	`davyd`	`ok, thanks for that`
`12:59.54`	`davyd`	`I'm getting sources now, so I'll rebuild it`
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`15:13.24`	`jpa-`	`hmm`
`15:15.21`	`Aribeth`	`1971 Olds Cutlass Supreme convertable`
`15:16.23`	`Birdie`	`actually i was talking about the name you gave her/him:)`
`15:16.29`	`Birdie`	`1971 i still knew!`
`15:16.36`	`Aribeth`	`josephine`
`15:16.39`	`Birdie`	`right`
`15:18.08`	`jpa-`	`hmm.. "jpa's.. personal.. sex.. doll.. "`
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`15:20.30`	`jpa-`	`it was Aribeth's head after all`
`15:20.47`	`Aribeth`	`me?`
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`15:43.55`	`ToughShooter`	`~logs`
`15:43.56`	`ibot`	`somebody said logs was http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/, or stats http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/bzflag.html.gz`
`15:45.35`	`silverfox`	`~orange++ Good work on the slots in /lagstats patch.`
`15:46.35`	`menotume`	`that will show slots to all? even non-admins ?`
`15:47.04`	`menotume`	`i don't see that as a problem, just comments like "what are these numbers" :)`
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`15:48.51`	`Tupone`	`menotume, do not waste time. Code! :)`
`15:49.02`	`menotume`	`:)`
`15:49.09`	`orange`	`menotume: for now, yes, though I was thinking of changing it`
`15:49.37`	`orange`	`the way it is generated may make that tougher`
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`15:52.36`	`jpa-`	`menotume likes challenges :)`
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`16:02.01`	`CBG`	`Morning, JeffM2501. ;)`
`16:03.48`	`JeffM2501`	`hello`
`16:04.09`	`JeffM2501`	`how goes it on that side of the pond today?`
`16:04.37`	`CBG`	`Nice, actually. Sunny and warm, but not hot... ;)`
`16:04.50`	`CBG`	`Mind you, i'm still burnt from Corfu. :D`
`16:06.30`	`JeffM2501`	`heh`
`16:06.33`	`JeffM2501`	`did you have fun?`
`16:07.06`	`CBG`	`Well,it was relaxing, very quit. :)`
`16:08.11`	`CBG`	`I've been enjoying the induction at the 6th form of an all girl's school yesterday and today. Lessons will begin tomorrow.`
`16:08.36`	`Birdie`	`all girls school and you go there?`
`16:08.39`	`JeffM2501`	`you are going to an all girls school?`
`16:08.47`	`Birdie`	`i knew it!`
`16:08.48`	`Birdie`	`;)`
`16:09.06`	`CBG`	`The 6th form is mixed. :)`
`16:09.16`	`CBG`	`Its the first year boys have gone there... :P`
`16:09.16`	`JeffM2501`	`then it's not ALL Girls is it?`
`16:09.28`	`CBG`	`The SCHOOL is all girls.`
`16:09.36`	`CBG`	`I didnt say the college was... ;)`
`16:09.49`	`JeffM2501`	`a college is a school`
`16:09.56`	`CBG`	`Not in my eyes...`
`16:10.00`	`JeffM2501`	`so you are saying it's full of jail bait?`
`16:10.07`	`JeffM2501`	`what's the point in that?`
`16:10.14`	`CBG`	`eh?`
`16:10.49`	`JeffM2501`	`it sounds like the institution has 2 secions a lower "high school" and a university right?`
`16:11.06`	`CBG`	`no university, thats entirely different...`
`16:11.19`	`JeffM2501`	`so what is this "6th form" ?`
`16:11.30`	`CBG`	`There is the "High School (ages 11 to 16) and the college/6th form (ages 16-18).`
`16:11.42`	`JeffM2501`	`oh`
`16:11.54`	`JeffM2501`	`we call that High school middle school`
`16:11.57`	`CBG`	`I say they are not really the same because some lessons, registration and so on take place in separate buildings to the high school...`
`16:12.02`	`CBG`	`ah, ok.`
`16:12.12`	`ToughShooter`	`JeffM2501: I'm getting this PyCodeObject undeclared error like brlcad`
`16:12.13`	`JeffM2501`	`so your still in high schooll`
`16:12.23`	`Birdie`	`high school for us above 18`
`16:12.25`	`JeffM2501`	`ToughShooter, umm ok, do you have python 2.4`
`16:12.52`	`JeffM2501`	`high school for us is grtades 9-12, and thats' ages 15-18`
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`16:12.54`	`geoffrey`	`hi`
`16:12.57`	`JeffM2501`	`hello`
`16:12.59`	`ToughShooter`	`JeffM2501: I installed python24 via darwinports after it didn't worked with preinstalled one`
`16:13.03`	`CBG`	`I guess so... But there are "colleges" which are only for 16-18 yr olds... but this "college" is a 6th form, basically, a college withing the high school.`
`16:13.08`	`JeffM2501`	`ToughShooter, dono man`
`16:13.09`	`CBG`	`hi geoffrey.`
`16:13.11`	`JeffM2501`	`ask purple_cow`
`16:13.29`	`JeffM2501`	`did it find all the headers that it asked for?`
`16:13.37`	`ToughShooter`	`I've searched all the web but found nothing useful`
`16:14.12`	`ToughShooter`	`Did what find the headers?`
`16:14.17`	`JeffM2501`	`the plugin`
`16:14.26`	`JeffM2501`	`I can look at it after I do my morning crap`
`16:15.20`	`CBG`	`:o`
`16:15.23`	`Birdie`	`morning crap = drinking a bit coffee?`
`16:15.29`	`CBG`	`did jeff just say what I think he did?`
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`16:15.54`	`Birdie`	`hey sporty!`
`16:16.01`	`JeffM2501`	`no, clearing out the e-mail, making sure nothing at work broke, cleaning out bzbb. ect...`
`16:16.10`	`CBG`	`Ooooh, Ok Jeff... ;)`
`16:16.20`	`JeffM2501`	`the crap I have to do every morning`
`16:16.23`	`JeffM2501`	`when I get to work`
`16:16.32`	`Birdie`	`what is your REAL job actually?`
`16:16.32`	`CBG`	`ah, ha.`
`16:16.39`	`JeffM2501`	`I'm a developer`
`16:16.45`	`JeffM2501`	`for a CAD/CAM software company`
`16:16.46`	`ToughShooter`	`JeffM2501: I am not used to having header files. heck, my functions usually don't even have names`
`16:16.57`	`Birdie`	`CAD...autocad?`
`16:17.00`	`JeffM2501`	`ToughShooter, they have to have names or they won't compile.`
`16:17.04`	`JeffM2501`	`no`
`16:17.17`	`JeffM2501`	`tho we are an autocad partner`
`16:17.18`	`CBG`	`Coputer aidded Design/manufacture.`
`16:17.21`	`CBG`	`aided*`
`16:17.24`	`ToughShooter`	`That's the output I get http://pastebin.com/357160`
`16:17.30`	`JeffM2501`	`we are more of the CAM then CAD`
`16:17.38`	`CBG`	`so Jeff: you develop this software?`
`16:17.45`	`JeffM2501`	`yes`
`16:18.14`	`ToughShooter`	`Oh, you can make functions without having names for it - inline let-constructs and list comprehensions`
`16:18.20`	`JeffM2501`	`I am in charge of a custom language we use to make runtime modules that let our software make program files for all difrent kinds of CNC machiens`
`16:18.41`	`JeffM2501`	`ToughShooter, it still must have at least one character as an identifier and that is a name`
`16:20.27`	`CBG`	`Sounds like fun Jeff, how long have you been at it?`
`16:20.37`	`JeffM2501`	`I have worked here for 11 years`
`16:20.41`	`JeffM2501`	`but I started in tech support`
`16:20.45`	`CBG`	`Oh, nice.`
`16:21.21`	`JeffM2501`	`I also have some minor IT duties, but that is lessening now, ever since we hired someone compitent`
`16:21.42`	`CBG`	`You're not?`
`16:21.50`	`CBG`	`(compitent, i mean. ;) )`
`16:21.51`	`JeffM2501`	`no, the old IT guys were not`
`16:21.54`	`JeffM2501`	`and I had to back them up`
`16:21.55`	`CBG`	`ahh, ok.`
`16:22.03`	`JeffM2501`	`so it took time away from my main job`
`16:22.09`	`JeffM2501`	`so I got them to hire a friend of mine`
`16:22.17`	`JeffM2501`	`and he's able to do the IT by himself`
`16:22.22`	`JeffM2501`	`so I don't have to help him`
`16:23.15`	`CBG`	`And more time to dev bz?`
`16:23.15`	`JeffM2501`	`more time to work on our software`
`16:23.17`	`CBG`	`grml. heh :)`
`16:23.18`	`JeffM2501`	`I have no major list of things I'd like to do to the bz code at this time`
`16:23.24`	`CBG`	`I do.`
`16:23.29`	`CBG`	`Wanna see it? lol`
`16:23.31`	`JeffM2501`	`sure`
`16:23.45`	`CBG`	`It was MY list, but I dont see myself learning C++ in the next 2 years.`
`16:23.53`	`JeffM2501`	`why not?`
`16:23.54`	`JeffM2501`	`it's easy`
`16:23.58`	`JeffM2501`	`I learned in a week`
`16:24.02`	`CBG`	`heh...`
`16:24.15`	`Birdie`	`you learned in one week and you started coding for bz?`
`16:24.16`	`CBG`	`I'm not like that, im easily distracted.`
`16:24.22`	`JeffM2501`	`so am I`
`16:25.06`	`CBG`	`bah...`
`16:25.16`	`JeffM2501`	`week for C`
`16:25.18`	`CBG`	`besides, I want to get through PHP first,`
`16:25.20`	`JeffM2501`	`then a week for C++`
`16:25.30`	`JeffM2501`	`tho there was about a month inbetween them`
`16:25.56`	`CBG`	`JeffM2501 -> #kas please`
`16:27.30`	`CBG`	`cya later all.`
`16:31.06`	`JeffM2501`	`ToughShooter, if I have python2.4 in my path to the compiler it works just fine`
`16:31.23`	`JeffM2501`	`I'm guessing your compiler isn't using python 2.4 include files`
`16:31.29`	`JeffM2501`	`but posibly some older ones`
`16:32.11`	`ToughShooter`	`Hmm, my compiler is the apple gcc4.0`
`16:32.33`	`ToughShooter`	`Is the compiler search path different that $PATH?`
`16:32.41`	`ToughShooter`	`*than`
`16:32.46`	`JeffM2501`	`do you have a compile.h in your python includes?`
`16:33.32`	`JeffM2501`	`I don't know how apple's paths work`
`16:33.53`	`JeffM2501`	`but I'm betting you have 2 sets of headers`
`16:33.57`	`JeffM2501`	`old and new`
`16:35.34`	`JeffM2501`	`ahh the mp3 server is so much nicer when it dosn't have a 10bT Nic in it :)`
`16:38.48`	`ToughShooter`	`I see there's a compile.h that comes with the preinstalled python`
`16:40.17`	`ToughShooter`	`That means that one comes with Python 2.3.1 and has a definition of PyCodeObject inside`
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`16:41.11`	`JeffM2501`	`does it have the pycodeobject in it?`
`16:41.23`	`JeffM2501`	`ok it does`
`16:41.29`	`JeffM2501`	`then why can't your compiler find it?`
`16:41.56`	`ToughShooter`	`Which path does the compiler use?`
`16:42.05`	`JeffM2501`	`depends on how it's set`
`16:42.12`	`JeffM2501`	`usualy at least your path`
`16:42.20`	`JeffM2501`	`but the makefile can add in aditional paths`
`16:42.22`	`ToughShooter`	`I suspect there's an environment variable but I don't know which one`
`16:42.34`	`JeffM2501`	`and I think there is also a gcc config somewhere`
`16:42.37`	`JeffM2501`	`I am not an expert tho`
`16:43.01`	`JeffM2501`	`I rely on the kindness of others to get my GCC based systems working ;)`
`16:43.11`	`JeffM2501`	`I prefer the F7 method of building`
`16:56.14`	`ToughShooter`	`I found out that I need to enter "#include <compile.h>" into python.cpp`
`16:57.55`	`JeffM2501`	`weird tht we don't`
`16:57.57`	`ToughShooter`	`Oh well, previously I thought I would supposed to change the path for the python compiler (...)`
`16:58.16`	`brlcad`	`probably a header inclusion change/mishap in early 2.3`
`16:58.21`	`ToughShooter`	`I suppose my Python.h is different`
`16:58.27`	`brlcad`	`good to know that it's actually in 2.3`
`16:58.37`	`brlcad`	`ToughShooter: you're using the framework, yes?`
`16:58.51`	`ToughShooter`	`I am now running python4`
`16:58.57`	`ToughShooter`	`err 2.4`
`16:59.05`	`brlcad`	`ah, durn`
`16:59.23`	`ToughShooter`	`I'll change $PATH and try the native one out now`
`16:59.31`	`brlcad`	`it would be better if it could use the existing framework on mac, since that's what everyone already has`
`16:59.45`	`brlcad`	`mac folk have enough trouble as it is installing sdl`
`17:00.27`	`JeffM2501`	`there may be scons options to set that up`
`17:00.44`	`JeffM2501`	`or is purpie using a feature from later 2.3/2.4?`
`17:01.05`	`ToughShooter`	`brlcad: That also works with the framework (http://pastebin.com/357160)`
`17:01.28`	`ToughShooter`	`The error is gone and the next shows up`
`17:01.44`	`brlcad`	`excellent!`
`17:01.49`	`brlcad`	`so just a matter of including the right header`
`17:02.18`	`brlcad`	`oh wait, you have the error..`
`17:02.51`	`brlcad`	`you added compile.h to python.cpp and compile.h has the def for PyCodeObject?`
`17:04.11`	`ToughShooter`	`compile.h has the def for PyCodeObject`
`17:04.23`	`brlcad`	`JeffM2501: the scons build does do what the Makefile.am should also be doing (or configure) -- it invokes python and asks it what the ld/c/cppflag args need to be, I figured i'd get it building by hand first`
`17:04.29`	`JeffM2501`	`sounds like older pythons just didn't have the include`
`17:04.33`	`brlcad`	`ToughShooter: and you added it to python.cpp?`
`17:04.45`	`ToughShooter`	`brlcad: yes`
`17:04.46`	`brlcad`	`yeah`
`17:04.55`	`brlcad`	`hmm`
`17:05.15`	`ToughShooter`	`the new datatype is however not declared in 2.3 headers it seems`
`17:06.52`	`ToughShooter`	`but it's inside eval.h from python2.4`
`17:07.11`	`brlcad`	`still.. it's there.. the compiler error doesn't make sense`
`17:07.32`	`brlcad`	`unless it's a problem with the extern "C" scope`
`17:07.51`	`brlcad`	`try adding -D__cplusplus to the cflags`
`17:08.08`	`ToughShooter`	`Hmm?`
`17:08.47`	`brlcad`	`whereever you added the -I/long/path/to/python, add a -D__cplusplus just to see if that does anything`
`17:09.15`	`ToughShooter`	`The -I doesn't change anything for me`
`17:09.21`	`brlcad`	`and if that fails, try -U__cplusplus`
`17:09.39`	`ToughShooter`	`At least not in this situation`
`17:09.54`	`brlcad`	`the -I doesn't change anything? hmm?`
`17:10.05`	`brlcad`	`that's just getting your headers`
`17:10.17`	`brlcad`	`i don't mean replace it, I meant add -D to your list`
`17:10.32`	`brlcad`	`where did you set -I.... ?`
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`17:21.58`	`ToughShooter`	`it gets funny http://pastebin.com/357213`
`17:23.58`	`brlcad`	`hilarious`
`17:24.28`	`brlcad`	`scons rules are not right`
`17:25.02`	`JeffM2501`	`like % commits per dev in the last year`
`17:25.38`	`brlcad`	`ToughShooter: try this instead: make CPPFLAGS="-I/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.3/lib/python2.3" LDFLAGS="-framework Python"`
`17:25.44`	`ToughShooter`	`~x en de hiliarious`
`17:25.56`	`Tupone`	`Tim will rules ... with the ws going`
`17:26.01`	`ToughShooter`	`~x de en hiliarious`
`17:26.06`	`JeffM2501`	`Tupone, heh`
`17:26.08`	`brlcad`	`~x en de hilarious`
`17:26.32`	`JeffM2501`	`still wonder if we could run reports, and then like maybe filter out WS ones`
`17:26.36`	`JeffM2501`	`be interesting to know`
`17:26.44`	`brlcad`	`Tupone: this'll be a lot of e-mail :)`
`17:26.59`	`Tupone`	`hehe :) short one`
`17:27.29`	`JeffM2501`	`"modular mayhem"`
`17:27.40`	`brlcad`	`how about 2.0.4: "2.2.0" :)`
`17:27.59`	`ToughShooter`	`brlcad: http://pastebin.com/357223 :(`
`17:28.04`	`JeffM2501`	`2.0.4 "it's comptable..mostly"`
`17:28.20`	`CBG`	`n/say back in 5.`
`17:28.23`	`CBG`	`ach.`
`17:28.29`	`PrezKennedy`	`or... "Mostly compatible" :-P`
`17:28.59`	`Tupone`	`well, if that is 2.2.0 means we have to wait before making protocol changes`
`17:29.18`	`JeffM2501`	`huh?`
`17:29.19`	`ToughShooter`	`"New buggy handalers!" ;)`
`17:29.40`	`JeffM2501`	`"plugins, you didn't want em, but you got em... damnit"`
`17:30.01`	`JeffM2501`	`we haven't really done anything proto breaking yet`
`17:30.06`	`JeffM2501`	`so 2.0.4 works`
`17:30.24`	`brlcad`	`ToughShooter: oops, that should have been -I/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.3/include/python2.3`
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`17:31.08`	`Tupone`	`brlcad: are you going to spam us ?`
`17:31.14`	`brlcad`	`Tupone: very soon`
`17:31.19`	`brlcad`	`it's still processing`
`17:31.19`	`Tupone`	`:)`
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`17:32.07`	`WonderMop`	`We have to register now?`
`17:32.07`	`ToughShooter`	`As long as noone points to me all is okay ;)`
`17:32.16`	`lvlinux`	`Can bzflag run in linux on the SH4 processor (Sega Dreamcast)? Anyone know?`
`17:32.23`	`JeffM2501`	`WonderMop, for what?`
`17:32.42`	`JeffM2501`	`lvlinux, don't know if anyone has tried it, but your more then welcome to`
`17:33.06`	`purple_cow`	`lvlinux: i didn't think they had a full opengl implementation for dreamcast yet, but i could be wrong`
`17:33.08`	`JeffM2501`	`as long as it has an OpenGL implementation`
`17:33.11`	`WonderMop`	`Oh.. Just a name someone called me after scrubbing the apartment`
`17:33.16`	`brlcad`	`don't see why it wouldn't work other than maybe not having ogl/X`
`17:33.44`	`JeffM2501`	`there is an SDL for it, so that would help most thigns other then the GL`
`17:33.44`	`WonderMop`	`Sega has a almost working GL`
`17:33.46`	`lvlinux`	`well, i don't beleive that it does, but what about software rendering?`
`17:33.50`	`purple_cow`	`because the dreamcast had a really funky graphics architecture`
`17:34.02`	`purple_cow`	`software rendering on SH4 will be very slow`
`17:34.02`	`lvlinux`	`oh, well i guess that is what you meant.`
`17:34.02`	`lvlinux`	`as in Mesa or whatever?`
`17:34.02`	`WonderMop`	`fun machine though :)`
`17:34.20`	`JeffM2501`	`span buffers are wonderfull :)`
`17:34.38`	`JeffM2501`	`WonderMop, register for what?`
`17:34.43`	`ToughShooter`	`brlcad: Sorry, I don't get why I should pass that in CPPFlags, it will just reply that there's nothing to do`
`17:34.56`	`WonderMop`	`I keep gettinf an "/identify" message`
`17:34.58`	`WonderMop`	`brb`
`17:35.04`	`JeffM2501`	`in IRC?`
`17:35.15`	`WonderMop`	`crap... brb`
`17:35.25`	`JeffM2501`	`guess "the man" was on to him`
`17:35.32`	`brlcad`	`ToughShooter: that's the path to the python headers, that's why it gives all those symbol errors because it couldn't find Python.h ... the -I tells it where to look for Python.h`
`17:35.36`	`brlcad`	`did you try it? :)`
`17:36.19`	`brlcad`	`it's the same thing scons is doing actually, if you look at the compile line, they add that as the cppflag`
`17:38.12`	`ToughShooter`	`Aha, you didn't mentioned to build that .la file with it. It looked too much like copy and paste`
`17:38.29`	`brlcad`	`ahh, right`
`17:38.47`	`brlcad`	`make libPyBZFlag.la CPPFLAGS=.. LDFLAGS=..`
`17:39.10`	`brlcad`	`sorry 'bout that`
`17:40.36`	`TimRiker`	`lvlinux: bzflag builds on all the debian platforms. I presume sh4 should work just fine. It's not on this list yet. http://www.m17n.org/linux-sh/debian/packages.html`
`17:41.24`	`ToughShooter`	`It builds: http://pastebin.com/357230`
`17:41.44`	`lvlinux`	`so i assume that they DO already have OpenGL/Mesa/whatever working on it?`
`17:42.09`	`brlcad`	`hmm.. no dylib`
`17:42.42`	`brlcad`	`ToughShooter: did it give any error about the dylib?`
`17:42.55`	`brlcad`	`it built the .a so you can't be far from done`
`17:43.22`	`TimRiker`	`lvlinux: no idea. looks like the project has been inactive for a few years now.`
`17:43.55`	`ToughShooter`	`brlcad: Not that I saw. See yourself http://pastebin.com/357231`
`17:44.43`	`lvlinux`	`TimRiker: ok well thanks for letting me know that. I'm not really a Dreamcast developer (nor a bzflag fanatic either) but i can't think of anything cooler than running bzflag on my Dreamcast.`
`17:45.25`	`bryjen`	`brlcad: building on linux (after adding the include path for python) doesn't get me an .so`
`17:45.28`	`brlcad`	`ToughShooter: try the same build rule, but make libPyBZFlag.dylib`
`17:46.03`	`brlcad`	`.la might not be the only/right rule`
`17:46.36`	`brlcad`	`bryjen: sounds like there's another rule then.. try make libPyBZFlag.so`
`17:47.16`	`brlcad`	`i'd have to poke the Makefile to see what the real make rule is`
`17:47.28`	`bryjen`	`no rule for target`
`17:47.31`	`brlcad`	`and my box is busy churning (for a second time) on a search and replace`
`17:48.00`	`brlcad`	`maybe make .libs/libPyBZFlag.so`
`17:48.32`	`brlcad`	`or just search for .so in the Makefile`
`17:49.16`	`ToughShooter`	`brlcad: http://pastebin.com/357234 (there was a "make clean" before)`
`17:49.53`	`brlcad`	`hmm`
`17:50.03`	`ToughShooter`	`how 'bout simply renaming the .la file ;)`
`17:50.33`	`brlcad`	`the .la is a text file`
`17:50.38`	`brlcad`	`at least it should be`
`17:51.46`	`ToughShooter`	`(I was joking)`
`17:53.31`	`lvlinux`	`has anyone here had experience running bzflag on sgi machines (preferably old machines)`
`17:53.42`	`lvlinux`	`like indy?`
`17:54.25`	`JeffM2501`	`you mean the machines bzflag was writen for?`
`17:54.33`	`lvlinux`	`yeah`
`17:54.33`	`JeffM2501`	`when it was first made`
`17:54.37`	`JeffM2501`	`a couple people have`
`17:55.01`	`JeffM2501`	`they are the minority now`
`17:55.22`	`lvlinux`	`yeah that's what i figured, most probably run linux don't they?`
`17:55.35`	`JeffM2501`	`windows is the primary client OS`
`17:55.38`	`JeffM2501`	`linux is second`
`17:55.42`	`JeffM2501`	`OSX is 3rd`
`17:55.54`	`JeffM2501`	`linux is the primary server OS`
`17:56.17`	`brlcad`	`ToughShooter: regardless, it should just be an artifact of the fact that it's an EXTRA_LTLIBRARIES instead of a lib_LTLIBRARIES .. it built the .a so should be good to go now.`
`17:56.34`	`brlcad`	`I'll see if I can see if it actually makes a rule here (autogen.sh is running now)`
`17:56.36`	`lvlinux`	`windows 1st? really? that's sad.`
`17:56.46`	`JeffM2501`	`it is the most popular gaming OS`
`17:56.54`	`JeffM2501`	`and very prevalent`
`17:57.00`	`lvlinux`	`yeah that's true i guess.`
`17:57.04`	`JeffM2501`	`now, it dosn't lead linux by much, thanks to bzflag's history`
`17:57.09`	`JeffM2501`	`and it's inclusion in debian`
`17:57.21`	`JeffM2501`	`most kids don't run linux`
`17:57.24`	`JeffM2501`	`they run windows`
`17:57.27`	`JeffM2501`	`and a lot of kids play bzflag`
`17:57.42`	`lvlinux`	`i am still having trouble with running bzflag on redhat9. i compiled it yesterday from the 2.0.2 version`
`17:57.44`	`brlcad`	`i'd venture to say there are more osx users than linux`
`17:58.00`	`brlcad`	`but that non windows and non osx are perhaps larger than osx alone`
`17:58.09`	`lvlinux`	`and for some reason i only get software rendering when i run it and i still have the long wait when i start it up.`
`17:58.11`	`JeffM2501`	`brlcad, last stat set I saw, OSX was growing, but hadn't passed linux yet`
`17:58.14`	`brlcad`	`including all the bsd and solaris and irix folks`
`17:58.14`	`ToughShooter`	`brlcad: Should I try to find out what is not declared by default,add includes into the files and post a patch at sourceforge?`
`17:58.17`	`lvlinux`	`it did compile flawlessly though.`
`17:58.35`	`JeffM2501`	`it may be worth it to redo a report on the stuff the list server has saved again`
`17:58.37`	`brlcad`	`ToughShooter: yes, sure`
`17:58.54`	`Tupone`	`lvlinux: slow startup could be motd. Disable it and retest`
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`17:59.13`	`lvlinux`	`disable it how- when compiling or on the command line or what?`
`17:59.21`	`Tupone`	`command line`
`17:59.31`	`Tupone`	`bzflag -help`
`17:59.40`	`Tupone`	`IIRC bzflag -nomotd`
`17:59.52`	`Chestal`	`I think it is missing in the -help in 2.0.2, but should work`
`17:59.55`	`JeffM2501`	`or add set disableMOTD 1 to your conrfig`
`18:00.28`	`Tupone`	`for rendering ... try glxinfo and see if you got direct or indirect`
`18:01.12`	`lvlinux`	`i know direct is working (glxinfo says so) because i have run other things, including bzflag 1.10 with it`
`18:01.34`	`Tupone`	`what color depth ?`
`18:01.34`	`lvlinux`	`it's just when i compiled it that it only uses software for some reason.`
`18:01.39`	`lvlinux`	`16bit`
`18:01.50`	`JeffM2501`	`what card do you have?`
`18:02.21`	`lvlinux`	`matrox g400 max dual head 32MB, 1280x1024 16bit, 75Hz XFree86 4.3`
`18:02.32`	`JeffM2501`	`2.0.x will use SDL by default, and it may pick a difrent res/bit depth then 1.10 did, and that may not be supported in hardware on your system.`
`18:02.37`	`JeffM2501`	`ewww`
`18:02.52`	`lvlinux`	`i tried other resolutions, same deal.`
`18:02.55`	`JeffM2501`	`what res did 2.0 pick?`
`18:03.00`	`JeffM2501`	`it may be trying 32 bit`
`18:03.20`	`JeffM2501`	`you can also try -window -geometry 640x480 to see if that gets you to hardware`
`18:03.31`	`lvlinux`	`by default 1280x1024, but it did not specify depth i don't think`
`18:03.31`	`JeffM2501`	`it'll use your desptop color deptht hen`
`18:03.41`	`lvlinux`	`ok i'll try that`
`18:03.47`	`brlcad`	`lvlinux: also try deleting your config files while you're at it :)`
`18:03.53`	`JeffM2501`	`that' can't be fast on that card`
`18:03.57`	`lvlinux`	`did that multiple times`
`18:04.01`	`brlcad`	`k`
`18:04.34`	`JeffM2501`	`something with a GPU`
`18:04.38`	`lvlinux`	`well my beloved matrox is not the greatest for 3d, but inmho the best all around card on the planet.`
`18:04.49`	`JeffM2501`	`5 years ago, maybe`
`18:05.03`	`lvlinux`	`it runs perfect at 1280x1024 with bzflag 1.10`
`18:05.04`	`JeffM2501`	`most GF4 MXs are comparable in 2d permformance`
`18:05.10`	`JeffM2501`	`2.0 is not 1.10`
`18:05.14`	`JeffM2501`	`things change`
`18:05.28`	`JeffM2501`	`geometry counts are way higher now`
`18:05.34`	`JeffM2501`	`maps support meshes`
`18:05.40`	`lvlinux`	`i love the card for the video overlay fuctions and mga_vid device support`
`18:06.01`	`JeffM2501`	`what ever floats your boat then`
`18:06.06`	`JeffM2501`	`but know that it's not going to get any better`
`18:06.12`	`lvlinux`	`mplayer will output directly to it with YUV video so my cpu load stays at about 5% even playing a high res movie`
`18:06.26`	`JeffM2501`	`geometry counts and graphic effects are just going to get more intensive.`
`18:06.43`	`brlcad`	`should still be able to play reasonably well on most maps`
`18:06.48`	`lvlinux`	`well i can take lower resolutions of bzflag.`
`18:06.54`	`brlcad`	`biggest problem is that it's unaccelerated right now`
`18:07.00`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`18:07.04`	`JeffM2501`	`probbly SDL`
`18:07.05`	`brlcad`	`presumably`
`18:07.08`	`JeffM2501`	`picking something`
`18:07.12`	`brlcad`	`yeah`
`18:07.26`	`brlcad`	`sdl sucks for non 24/32 bit somewhat :)`
`18:07.27`	`JeffM2501`	`tho the accceleration he gets is minimal`
`18:07.35`	`bryjen`	`i don't think i got hardware GL to work when I tried to do dual head on my matrox`
`18:07.36`	`JeffM2501`	`some small filling probably`
`18:08.05`	`brlcad`	`would be the font foo`
`18:08.09`	`lvlinux`	`i just run it single head at present because i don't have room for two monitors on my desk here.`
`18:08.13`	`brlcad`	`s/would/could/`
`18:08.22`	`lvlinux`	`i did notice that in my config.log file`
`18:08.25`	`brlcad`	`lvlinux: you compiled yourself, yes?`
`18:08.38`	`JeffM2501`	`IIRC, I have "video overlay" controlls on my nvidias, don't know if it is the same thing tho`
`18:09.06`	`lvlinux`	`there were several lines that said something about "-framework OpenGL" and gcc reported "unrecognized option "-framework""`
`18:09.15`	`lvlinux`	`but it didn't affect the make`
`18:09.16`	`brlcad`	`that's normal`
`18:09.18`	`lvlinux`	`oh ok`
`18:09.28`	`lvlinux`	`no the overlay on nvidia is not the same thing`
`18:09.39`	`lvlinux`	`matrox has a hardware yuv scaler.`
`18:09.46`	`JeffM2501`	`whatever that is used for`
`18:10.18`	`JeffM2501`	`are they even making cards anymore?`
`18:10.21`	`lvlinux`	`video output scaling in hardware, rather than software.`
`18:10.38`	`JeffM2501`	`like for a dvd stream?`
`18:10.42`	`JeffM2501`	`that kinda "video"`
`18:10.49`	`lvlinux`	`they make super-duper 2d cards for high resolution stuff`
`18:11.07`	`purple_cow`	`matrox is great for 2d, but for 3d they're pretty blah`
`18:11.18`	`lvlinux`	`some of them like 16 bit GREYSCALE, yup like for satellite images and such, but no consumer stuff anymore i don't think`
`18:11.33`	`JeffM2501`	`not so good for the games then`
`18:11.35`	`lvlinux`	`yeah dvd video, etc`
`18:11.54`	`JeffM2501`	`my geForce has some hardware video decoding and displaying`
`18:12.00`	`JeffM2501`	`they all have`
`18:12.01`	`JeffM2501`	`since the TNT`
`18:12.09`	`JeffM2501`	`that's what the overlay thing controlls`
`18:12.15`	`lvlinux`	`nope well i knew that when i bought the card ($24 on ebay) but 95% of my work is 2d stuff.`
`18:12.15`	`JeffM2501`	`since the card does the decode assist`
`18:12.18`	`brlcad`	`lvlinux: you could try compiling non-sdl`
`18:12.18`	`purple_cow`	`much more of a 2d workstation card than a gaming card`
`18:13.13`	`JeffM2501`	`guess the "video overlay zoom" thing dosn't do what it says it does then ;)`
`18:13.17`	`lvlinux`	`yeah most modern cards have at least video decoding assist, but the main thing is that my matrox is fully exploited under linux to take full advantage, whereas most other cards only have partial suport in the software.`
`18:13.31`	`lvlinux`	`ok, just got done compiling again, lets see what happens...`
`18:13.33`	`JeffM2501`	`that may be`
`18:13.44`	`JeffM2501`	`tho I thought the nvidias had prety good drivers`
`18:13.50`	`lvlinux`	`are you in linux or windows?`
`18:13.53`	`JeffM2501`	`yes`
`18:13.58`	`JeffM2501`	`;)`
`18:13.59`	`purple_cow`	`JeffM2501: video overlay just makes it so you can send the video to the card at it's original resolution, then the card scales`
`18:14.08`	`lvlinux`	`exactly`
`18:14.21`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah I have options in my driver to have the card or the cpu do it`
`18:14.29`	`JeffM2501`	`I can turn off hardware video scaling`
`18:14.38`	`JeffM2501`	`but maybe it's not exposed on linux I dono`
`18:14.48`	`JeffM2501`	`I never looked at the driver much in lin once i got it working`
`18:14.49`	`purple_cow`	`linux with nvidia does video overlays`
`18:15.28`	`JeffM2501`	`same kinda deal?`
`18:15.44`	`DTRemenak`	`brlcad: My current client stats show linux at 25.05% and osx at 16.57%. Sample of 96k or so.`
`18:16.14`	`lvlinux`	`ok, here's what happened`
`18:16.22`	`JeffM2501`	`whats win at?`
`18:16.46`	`JeffM2501`	`I recall when OS X was under 5%`
`18:16.51`	`JeffM2501`	`16 is a big jump`
`18:16.54`	`lvlinux`	`bzflag -nomotd just gives me "unknown option -nomotd" and the regular -h stuff`
`18:16.56`	`DTRemenak`	`windows is 58.11%`
`18:17.02`	`purple_cow`	`well, there's a difference between hardware scaling and hardware decoding. but pretty much every card does scaling, since video sucks without it`
`18:17.09`	`JeffM2501`	`lvlinux, add set disableMOTD 1 to your config`
`18:17.30`	`JeffM2501`	`I don't think the command line thing is in all versions`
`18:17.31`	`DTRemenak`	`everything else added together is 0.26%`
`18:17.37`	`JeffM2501`	`ouch`
`18:17.43`	`JeffM2501`	`so that one guy on irix? :)`
`18:18.03`	`Tupone`	`I guess BeOS`
`18:18.11`	`DTRemenak`	`0.25% of it is bsds`
`18:18.12`	`bryjen`	`~ 96000 * .0026`
`18:18.13`	`ibot`	`249.6`
`18:18.15`	`JeffM2501`	`heh`
`18:18.34`	`JeffM2501`	`was the last 0.01%?`
`18:18.39`	`JeffM2501`	`whats even`
`18:18.47`	`bryjen`	`~ 96000 * .0001`
`18:18.48`	`ibot`	`9.6`
`18:18.48`	`DTRemenak`	`bryjen: 255 connections from non-windows/linux/mac`
`18:18.56`	`lvlinux`	`ok i set nomotd and it worked, got rid of the delay, but when it comes up, i still get "Mesa X11" down at the bottom where it should say the drm stuff and it still runs slow at 800x600 even`
`18:19.05`	`DTRemenak`	`bryjen: 247 are from bsd`
`18:19.12`	`DTRemenak`	`7 from irix`
`18:19.16`	`DTRemenak`	`1 from solais`
`18:19.17`	`JeffM2501`	`lvlinux, is it SDL or native build?`
`18:19.49`	`JeffM2501`	`58% wow, I thought linux was closer`
`18:19.51`	`lvlinux`	`i just did the regular configure && make stuff`
`18:19.57`	`JeffM2501`	`maybe the debian bug made it drop off`
`18:19.58`	`lvlinux`	`how do i know which one?`
`18:20.03`	`JeffM2501`	`lvlinux, that means it's SDL`
`18:20.07`	`Tupone`	`glxinfo -t -> http://bzflag.pastebin.ca`
`18:20.13`	`JeffM2501`	`asuming you have SDL installed`
`18:20.14`	`DTRemenak`	`JeffM2501: iirc it has gone down. last time I looked windows was about 51%.`
`18:20.17`	`JeffM2501`	`and do what Tupone said`
`18:20.18`	`lvlinux`	`when i did the -window -geometry 640x480 it was still using Mesa X11`
`18:20.29`	`lvlinux`	`yeah i installed SDL from source`
`18:20.30`	`DTRemenak`	`and osx was quite a bit lower - around 8% I think.`
`18:20.56`	`JeffM2501`	`so windows is up, as well as OSX interesting`
`18:21.06`	`JeffM2501`	`OSX I understand`
`18:21.17`	`JeffM2501`	`linux down I don't`
`18:21.39`	`lvlinux`	`yeah that seems strange to me also`
`18:21.57`	`DTRemenak`	`part of the shift could be sample bias. recently hills has gotten less popular and emerald mosque more popular...which is a quakeishly fast map.`
`18:22.02`	`JeffM2501`	`could be that the number of linux people stayed the same, and just more windows and mac people were added`
`18:22.11`	`lvlinux`	`bzflag is included by default in suse, mandrake i think, and debian`
`18:22.27`	`JeffM2501`	`it's borked on debian right now`
`18:22.29`	`bryjen`	`DTRemenak: these stats just for your servers?`
`18:22.34`	`DTRemenak`	`I should write the stats handling into the list server`
`18:22.36`	`DTRemenak`	`bryjen: yeah`
`18:22.51`	`JeffM2501`	`DTRemenak, the list server has been saving all the version info in a big ass table`
`18:22.58`	`JeffM2501`	`since day 1`
`18:23.06`	`lvlinux`	`so should i try to disable SDL somehow or what?`
`18:23.07`	`JeffM2501`	`well day 1 of the 1.10 erra`
`18:23.11`	`DTRemenak`	`it's been saving it? I looked but couldn't find it, figured it had been tossing it`
`18:23.13`	`bryjen`	`Ah. that explains some. Your cough unusual cough gameplay/maps seem to be infested with munchkins. ;)`
`18:23.26`	`DTRemenak`	`bryjen: heh`
`18:23.27`	`JeffM2501`	`DTRemenak, meno told me it was saving it once`
`18:23.30`	`JeffM2501`	`it's in it's own table`
`18:23.37`	`DTRemenak`	`hmm. I will look`
`18:23.43`	`JeffM2501`	`was taking a meg or so`
`18:23.48`	`DTRemenak`	`heh`
`18:24.13`	`JeffM2501`	`bryjen, so you basicly mean "our target audience" :)`
`18:24.21`	`Tupone`	`lvlinux: glxinfo -t -> http://bzflag.pastebin.ca`
`18:24.34`	`Chestal`	`the Debian problem needs fixing - and if it's a package bult from current CVS`
`18:24.40`	`Chestal`	`everythign is better than the current state`
`18:25.04`	`bryjen`	`new slogan for bzflag (with apologies to the air force) "Aim Low" ?`
`18:25.24`	`Tupone`	`Chestal: I understood that CVS fixed it. It is not ?`
`18:25.26`	`JeffM2501`	`Chestal, who can submit one?`
`18:25.30`	`JeffM2501`	`cvs is fixed`
`18:25.38`	`JeffM2501`	`he's saying at least shove a CVS in there so it works`
`18:25.46`	`JeffM2501`	`its' better even if buggy, then the lagy`
`18:26.17`	`lvlinux`	`Tupone: ok did it....http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/22323`
`18:26.30`	`Chestal`	`Tupone: yes, bu tproblem is that Debian unstable package (don't know about testing) is useless`
`18:26.42`	`Chestal`	`I see someone using it with problems every day`
`18:27.38`	`lvlinux`	`i know it is not my card, because i can boot into SuSE 9.2 and it works flawlessly with hardware rendering at decent resolution and 16bit color`
`18:28.08`	`bryjen`	`AGP 1x ?`
`18:28.28`	`lvlinux`	`yeah i think it is 1x-- speedy huh? :-)`
`18:28.58`	`lvlinux`	`with glxgears i get about 4000 frames in 5 sec= about 820fps`
`18:29.17`	`bryjen`	`my 450 does 4x`
`18:29.37`	`lvlinux`	`matrox g450?`
`18:29.47`	`lvlinux`	`or 450MHz CPU?`
`18:29.59`	`Tupone`	`lvlinux: what version of SDL ?`
`18:30.07`	`lvlinux`	`1.2.6 i think`
`18:30.08`	`JeffM2501`	`why dosn't somone just build a package and submit it?`
`18:30.14`	`bryjen`	`matrox millennium g450`
`18:30.30`	`DTRemenak`	`JeffM2501: I don't see it anywhere`
`18:30.36`	`JeffM2501`	`hmm`
`18:32.42`	`DTRemenak`	`and the full client version is never sent to the list server, only protocol version`
`18:33.01`	`bryjen`	`is it just that the httpd logs the user agent?`
`18:33.13`	`DTRemenak`	`do we even set the user agent?`
`18:33.18`	`bryjen`	`i think so`
`18:34.50`	`DTRemenak`	`yeah, looks like bzfs at least sets it`
`18:36.16`	`DTRemenak`	`the client, however, doesn't seem to`
`18:36.22`	`bryjen`	`a-yup`
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`18:36.58`	`DTRemenak`	`perhaps it should :)`
`18:37.21`	`bryjen`	`maybe in the en-cURL-ing it was lost`
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`18:38.02`	`DTRemenak`	`nope, even in the BZFS1910 queries there's none specified`
`18:38.19`	`gospelpreecher`	`sorry guys (or possibly gals i should say) my fabulous dialup kicked me off as it enjoys doing so much.`
`18:38.30`	`gospelpreecher`	`did i miss anything to me?`
`18:38.58`	`gospelpreecher`	`oh, i'm under a different nick-- i was lvlinux`
`18:39.37`	`JeffM2501`	`client dosn't send it's version? I thought it did`
`18:39.42`	`lvlinux`	`there we go`
`18:39.43`	`JeffM2501`	`or maybe that was only to the game server`
`18:41.45`	`lvlinux`	`Tupone: did you get a chance to take a look at the pastebin stuff from glxinfo?`
`18:41.56`	`Tupone`	`lvlinux: I don't see any reason why SDL does select a window with indirect rendering. Seems all good`
`18:42.18`	`lvlinux`	`hmm, should i try to recompile with like --without-SDL or something?`
`18:42.21`	`Tupone`	`Tryed with a more recent version of SDL?`
`18:42.32`	`Tupone`	`-without-SDL is mostly broken`
`18:42.33`	`lvlinux`	`isn't 1.2.6 the latest?`
`18:42.40`	`JeffM2501`	`no`
`18:42.46`	`Tupone`	`1.2.8 seems`
`18:42.54`	`Tupone`	`perhaps 1.2.9`
`18:42.57`	`JeffM2501`	`TheLastSpartan, debian libsd`
`18:42.57`	`TheLastSpartan`	`JeffM2501: (debian <command> [<args> ...]) -- Command dispatcher for the Debian plugin. Use 'list Debian' to see the commands provided by this plugin. Use 'config list plugins.Debian' to see the configuration values for this plugin. In most cases this dispatcher command is unnecessary; in cases where more than one plugin defines a given command, use this command to tell the bot which plugin's command to use.`
`18:42.59`	`lvlinux`	`oh, well it has been a while since i installed it.`
`18:43.00`	`JeffM2501`	`TheLastSpartan, debian libsdl`
`18:43.00`	`TheLastSpartan`	`JeffM2501: (debian <command> [<args> ...]) -- Command dispatcher for the Debian plugin. Use 'list Debian' to see the commands provided by this plugin. Use 'config list plugins.Debian' to see the configuration values for this plugin. In most cases this dispatcher command is unnecessary; in cases where more than one plugin defines a given command, use this command to tell the bot which plugin's command to use.`
`18:43.06`	`JeffM2501`	`bahh`
`18:43.23`	`Tupone`	`1.2.9 is`
`18:43.34`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah that's whats on website`
`18:43.54`	`lvlinux`	`maybe it has something to do with the GL stuff i have on this redhat distro (i hate redhat)`
`18:44.12`	`Tupone`	`use gentoo :)`
`18:44.32`	`Tupone`	`if really dialup better no`
`18:44.56`	`lvlinux`	`oh, yeah, over dialup. i can see it now..."mom i'll be on the net for a few MONTHS so i'll call you next year..."`
`18:45.26`	`lvlinux`	`i would love gentoo if i had a decent net connection`
`18:46.03`	`JeffM2501`	`heh "mom"`
`18:46.09`	`JeffM2501`	`how quaint`
`18:46.14`	`lvlinux`	`but the only reason i still use this redhat9 dinosaur is because i spent about a year (literally) getting all my video programs set up the way i like them ( and also my mapping software)`
`18:46.31`	`lvlinux`	`well i have to get off the net every so often to give here a chance to call`
`18:46.43`	`JeffM2501`	`hehe`
`18:46.43`	`JeffM2501`	`call`
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`18:46.46`	`JeffM2501`	`how quiant`
`18:47.26`	`lvlinux`	`?`
`18:47.30`	`lvlinux`	`i'm lost`
`18:48.20`	`Tupone`	`lvlinux: you want to debug SDL to see where your problem is`
`18:48.30`	`lvlinux`	`and i do that how?`
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`18:48.57`	`lvlinux`	`sorry to sound so dumb :-0`
`18:49.00`	`Tupone`	`building SDL with debug info and source, and putting break on it`
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`18:49.16`	`lvlinux`	`that's what i was afraid you would say`
`18:50.15`	`Tupone`	`your build is with --enable-debug ?`
`18:50.29`	`DTRemenak`	`as far as servers go...92 linux, 20 freebsd, 2 osx, 5 windows, 7 dragonfly bsd, 1 netbsd. 4 with build set to a null string.`
`18:50.32`	`lvlinux`	`of SDL you mean?`
`18:50.38`	`Tupone`	`bzflag`
`18:50.44`	`Tupone`	`when you configured it`
`18:50.54`	`lvlinux`	`no i just let it do defaults`
`18:51.01`	`Tupone`	`ah ok,`
`18:51.11`	`DTRemenak`	`total of 57 unique server builds running`
`18:51.21`	`JeffM2501`	`wow`
`18:51.23`	`JeffM2501`	`that's a lot`
`18:51.37`	`lvlinux`	`dude it sure is!`
`18:51.39`	`JeffM2501`	`how many actual server machiens?`
`18:51.50`	`DTRemenak`	`I'd guess about...65 :)`
`18:52.00`	`JeffM2501`	`and how many bzfs instances?`
`18:52.01`	`DTRemenak`	`lemme to an ip correlation`
`18:52.13`	`DTRemenak`	`131`
`18:52.16`	`lvlinux`	`now i found something that may be of interest...`
`18:52.34`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah probably all the same system :)`
`18:52.38`	`lvlinux`	`when i do configure and look at the output it says checking for SDL framework... no`
`18:52.38`	`lvlinux`	`checking for sdl-config... /usr/local/bin/sdl-config`
`18:52.39`	`lvlinux`	`checking for SDL - version >= 1.2.5... yes`
`18:52.43`	`bryjen`	`well, 7 of 'em anyway`
`18:52.50`	`lvlinux`	`so i do have 1.2.5 SDL`
`18:53.01`	`lvlinux`	`would the no SDL framework thing make any difference?`
`18:53.06`	`DTRemenak`	`hah! exactly 57 unique ips :)`
`18:53.15`	`lvlinux`	`it goes on and creates the makefiles`
`18:53.16`	`Tupone`	`nope, we are checking if greater-equal then 1.2.5`
`18:53.36`	`lvlinux`	`oh, ok`
`18:53.42`	`Tupone`	`framework is for macOSX`
`18:53.50`	`lvlinux`	`ok, i see`
`18:53.59`	`lvlinux`	`it's making now...`
`18:53.59`	`bryjen`	`frameworks are a mac os thing, configure always looks for them, but will never find the for you`
`18:54.08`	`DTRemenak`	`crazy. no two physical servers are running the same build of bzfs.`
`18:54.35`	`JeffM2501`	`hah`
`18:54.37`	`lvlinux`	`yeah i noticed that it said several times also "-framework unrecognized option or something"`
`18:54.49`	`bryjen`	`all custom compiled, or anyone using the released revs?`
`18:55.21`	`DTRemenak`	`one is using the win32 release of 1.10.8`
`18:55.42`	`DTRemenak`	`one (three servers) using the win32 release of 2.0.2`
`18:56.14`	`DTRemenak`	`gotta look up the linux builds`
`18:56.57`	`DTRemenak`	`hm, they aren't listed in the package names`
`18:57.42`	`bryjen`	`look at the source packages`
`18:57.57`	`DTRemenak`	`there are 9 servers (one ip) running 2.0.2.20050318-STABLE-linux-gnu-SDL, which is dated right for a 2.0.2 binary build`
`18:58.19`	`DTRemenak`	`the source dates and binary dates don't always agree`
`18:58.34`	`DTRemenak`	`like what day was the osx binary released for 2.0.2? it was about a week after release iirc`
`18:58.56`	`DTRemenak`	`ooh, I do have release dates`
`18:59.13`	`DTRemenak`	`one guy is using the osx 2.0.2 build`
`18:59.43`	`DTRemenak`	`one has the right date to be using the redhat 2.0.0 build`
`19:00.04`	`bryjen`	`none of the linux bins on sf are up-to-date`
`19:00.54`	`DTRemenak`	`hm, 1.10.9.20050411-MAINTENANCE-linux-gnu :)`
`19:01.12`	`lvlinux`	`ok, just got done compiling.`
`19:01.37`	`lvlinux`	`what should i try now?`
`19:01.44`	`DTRemenak`	`63 of the current servers are running 2.0.3`
`19:02.02`	`DTRemenak`	`that seems quite high`
`19:02.28`	`DTRemenak`	`only 17 unique ips`
`19:02.32`	`lvlinux`	`when i run bzflag -debug i get some executeFreeFuncs() stuff that looks ok and then:`
`19:02.40`	`lvlinux`	`setTextureFilter() Couldn't find texid: -1`
`19:02.56`	`lvlinux`	`i don't know if that makes any difference or not?`
`19:03.00`	`DTRemenak`	`~63/17`
`19:03.01`	`ibot`	`3.705882352941`
`19:03.02`	`bryjen`	`63 out of how many 2.x.x ?`
`19:03.20`	`TimRiker`	`got a data/ directory? or set the command line option to find it.`
`19:03.31`	`TimRiker`	`lvlinux: that was to you. ;-)`
`19:03.51`	`DTRemenak`	`bryjen: all but 14 are running 2.x`
`19:04.10`	`DTRemenak`	`~131-14`
`19:04.12`	`ibot`	`117`
`19:04.12`	`lvlinux`	`how?`
`19:04.38`	`DTRemenak`	`~63/117`
`19:04.39`	`ibot`	`0.538461538462`
`19:04.53`	`DTRemenak`	`so over half the 2.0.x servers are running 2.0.3`
`19:04.56`	`lvlinux`	`TimRiker: oh i see it in -h`
`19:05.19`	`lvlinux`	`TimRiker: would it be something like /usr/share/bzflag?`
`19:05.50`	`Chestal`	`ah, hi Tim`
`19:06.19`	`Chestal`	`TimRiker: any thoughts on solving the Debian problems? Maybe just use a current CVS build? Anythign is better than the broken package that people try using at the moment`
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`19:09.15`	`lvlinux`	`well guys i hate to rush off but i gotta go. i may come back tomorrow or sometime. i thank all of you for your help and courtesy (that especially).`
`19:09.44`	`lvlinux`	`maybe i can do some fooling with this later and give you all some real data output to figure out or something.`
`19:09.56`	`lvlinux`	`but anyway, must leave so thanks very much.`
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`19:49.06`	`Innovate`	`Test`
`19:50.23`	`JeffM2501`	`a test of what?`
`19:52.06`	`Innovate`	`Test`
`19:52.15`	`JeffM2501`	`testing the test?`
`19:52.17`	`ToughShooter`	`Test failed`
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`20:02.20`	`sussi`	`hi pimpinella`
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`20:11.04`	`WonderMop`	`Ari?`
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`20:25.31`	`brlcad`	`ahh, automake will not build the dynamic libraries on EXTRA_LTLIBRARIES since it doesn't know where they will be installed yet`
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`20:32.56`	`Tupone`	`brlcad: I still not see your spam`
`20:33.03`	`CIA-2`	`BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/tools/mapedit/ (7 files in 3 dirs):`
`20:33.04`	`CIA-2`	`BZFlag: make the world database actualy store derived classes and not the base classes`
`20:33.06`	`CIA-2`	`BZFlag: read in clasic boxes`
`20:33.08`	`CIA-2`	`BZFlag: add world renderer to draw said clasic boxes`
`20:33.39`	`Tupone`	`brlcad: the -rdynamic things has been fixed?`
`20:33.54`	`JeffM2501`	`std::map<int, MapItem> is a lot difrent from std::map<int, MapItem*> when you are doing derived classes :)`
`20:34.41`	`Tupone`	`your are trashing? no, not even you`
`20:35.13`	`brlcad`	`too .. many .. context .. switches`
`20:35.26`	`Tupone`	`hehe, lol :)`
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`20:54.28`	`JeffM2501`	`the size in the world object in the map? is that the total size? or just the distance from wall to axis?`
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`21:01.05`	`DTRemenak`	`JeffM2501: x and y are center to edge. z is bottom to top.`
`21:01.16`	`DTRemenak`	`it's special`
`21:01.31`	`JeffM2501`	`of the world object`
`21:01.34`	`JeffM2501`	`not a box or something`
`21:01.46`	`JeffM2501`	`you know the "world" one`
`21:01.58`	`JeffM2501`	`I know about the boxes and stuff`
`21:02.22`	`JeffM2501`	`world`
`21:02.25`	`JeffM2501`	`size 500`
`21:02.26`	`JeffM2501`	`end`
`21:02.38`	`JeffM2501`	`does that make the world +- 250 or +- 500?`
`21:02.58`	`DTRemenak`	`ah`
`21:03.12`	`DTRemenak`	`it's from the center to an edge`
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`21:03.42`	`DTRemenak`	`size 400 will get you 400 either direction, so you could place an object at 350,350 and at -350,350`
`21:03.50`	`JeffM2501`	`k`
`21:04.03`	`JeffM2501`	`my bz code is on the drive that is defragin so I can't look :)`
`21:04.22`	`DTRemenak`	`heh`
`21:04.52`	`DTRemenak`	`defragging...how quaint :)`
`21:05.00`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`21:05.18`	`JeffM2501`	`swaping drives around and stuff so figured get it all in order`
`21:05.43`	`JeffM2501`	`ran outa room on my main when I tried to install CS2`
`21:05.44`	`DTRemenak`	`ah cool`
`21:05.50`	`JeffM2501`	`so it's time to clean the drives up`
`21:05.53`	`DTRemenak`	`heh`
`21:06.11`	`JeffM2501`	`so I'm working on a world class(s) whilst I wait`
`21:06.22`	`JeffM2501`	`since the "work" stuff is on the same drive`
`21:07.28`	`JeffM2501`	`and this one won't have the lame "delete" problems of the last database :)`
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`21:16.33`	`ToughShooter`	`JeffM2501: http://www.kernelthread.com/mac/apme/fragmentation/ ;)`
`21:17.22`	`JeffM2501`	`ToughShooter, I'm not on a mac`
`21:17.50`	`ToughShooter`	`I like the conclusion. :y`
`21:18.16`	`JeffM2501`	`umm`
`21:18.20`	`JeffM2501`	`whopty freaking do`
`21:19.18`	`JeffM2501`	`when OSX can build, run, and use MFC app and visual studio 6 and 7, let me know`
`21:19.22`	`JeffM2501`	`at native speeds`
`21:20.39`	`JeffM2501`	`a user shouldn't have to care about his FS`
`21:20.48`	`JeffM2501`	`it's a tool, it shoudl just work`
`21:21.08`	`JeffM2501`	`and these drives were old school NTFS1`
`21:21.15`	`JeffM2501`	`probably formated back in NT4`
`21:22.13`	`ToughShooter`	`Hmm, HFS+ came with Mac OS 8.6. I need to look up that release date`
`21:22.22`	`JeffM2501`	`does it really mater?`
`21:23.01`	`ToughShooter`	`Not really`
`21:23.08`	`JeffM2501`	`8.6 had it's own problems`
`21:23.15`	`JeffM2501`	`fixed memory sizes anyone`
`21:23.52`	`JeffM2501`	`telling me "I shoudl get a mac" is pointless`
`21:23.58`	`JeffM2501`	`what do you think I started on?`
`21:24.26`	`ToughShooter`	`I don't want to tell you which system you should use. I can't even know what you need`
`21:24.56`	`JeffM2501`	`yet you found it nessiary to show articles stating that under average use OSX never needs defrag`
`21:25.01`	`JeffM2501`	`what was the point of that?`
`21:25.23`	`JeffM2501`	`if not to say "well if you were on on a mac you'd not be defraging..ohhh ho ho "`
`21:26.00`	`ToughShooter`	`I think it can be seen more general, not only related to Macs`
`21:26.22`	`JeffM2501`	`that what modern OSs and FS are more resistant to fragmentation?`
`21:26.24`	`JeffM2501`	`sure`
`21:26.34`	`JeffM2501`	`one reason I'm reoding the drives`
`21:26.43`	`JeffM2501`	`the other is to get bigger ones :)`
`21:27.04`	`JeffM2501`	`250's are so cheap now`
`21:28.20`	`JeffM2501`	`with the "quick" option, about 2 min`
`21:28.53`	`JeffM2501`	`dosn't zero the drive, just writes a new fs and dir structure`
`21:29.05`	`JeffM2501`	`didn't do the full one`
`21:29.11`	`JeffM2501`	`was a new drive, didn't think I had to`
`21:30.00`	`JeffM2501`	`is wall height in bzdb or part of world?`
`21:31.05`	`JeffM2501`	`hmm manpage dosn't show it as part of the world objects`
`21:31.14`	`ToughShooter`	`_wallHeight has no effect when a joined player sets it`
`21:31.18`	`bryjen`	`bzdb, include/StateDatabase.h`
`21:31.22`	`JeffM2501`	`k`
`21:31.31`	`JeffM2501`	`then I can just draw a standard height`
`21:31.40`	`JeffM2501`	`odd that it's a var`
`21:31.45`	`JeffM2501`	`and not part of the world`
`21:31.52`	`JeffM2501`	`since it would be static`
`21:31.59`	`ToughShooter`	`It works when you have it in options part of map`
`21:32.06`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`21:32.09`	`JeffM2501`	`it would`
`21:32.20`	`JeffM2501`	`basicly it needs to be set before the world comes to the client`
`21:32.35`	`bryjen`	`hmm, maybe that's just a param for the random-world-generator....`
`21:32.46`	`JeffM2501`	`probably how it started`
`21:33.00`	`JeffM2501`	`I'm not parsing the vars yet`
`21:33.08`	`JeffM2501`	`I can worry bout that later`
`21:37.16`	`JeffM2501`	`probably should change that in 2.2 as well`
`21:37.44`	`RPG_`	`Heard about the autopiolot bug, where new joining players don't see if existing players are on autopilot`
`21:39.44`	`Tupone`	`bryjen: your -rdynamic things? still bugged ?`
`21:40.23`	`bryjen`	`yes. bzfs is not linked so that plugins can reference its symbols`
`21:41.04`	`Tupone`	`you have built it from scratch? with that change on configure.ac ?`
`21:41.09`	`bryjen`	`some body^H^H^Hrlcad broke it :(`
`21:41.51`	`bryjen`	`AC_LIBTOOL_DLOPEN ? yes. autogen.sh ; configure ; make`
`21:42.06`	`Tupone`	`and you removed the old bzfs to rebuild again?`
`21:42.35`	`bryjen`	`yes. actually make clean ; make`
`21:42.57`	`Tupone`	`:( I wonder what the link command was for bzfs`
`21:43.22`	`Tupone`	`you removed the cache too`
`21:43.40`	`bryjen`	`which cache?`
`21:43.41`	`Tupone`	`I dunno if that change something`
`21:43.54`	`Tupone`	`autom4*`
`21:44.20`	`bryjen`	`no, trying that now`
`21:44.45`	`Tupone`	`if you can save the output and paste it ...`
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`21:55.03`	`bryjen`	`~bzpastebin`
`21:55.04`	`ibot`	`i heard bzpastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel, and it archives too. - try http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/`
`21:56.12`	`Tupone`	`:)`
`21:57.53`	`CIA-2`	`BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/ (838 files in 33 dirs): s/MERCHANTIBILITY/MERCHANTABILITY/g .. yes, it took a non-native-english-speaking italian to notice the spelling mistake.`
`21:58.22`	`RPG_`	`838 files seems like an awful lot`
`21:58.38`	`brlcad`	`yep, almost every single file :)`
`21:58.57`	`RPG_`	`I thought the translations were stored in one file`
`21:59.03`	`RPG_`	`that's what I assumed`
`21:59.05`	`JeffM2501`	`RPG_, that's in the header`
`21:59.08`	`JeffM2501`	`of every file`
`21:59.15`	`JeffM2501`	`not something compiled app uses`
`21:59.20`	`JeffM2501`	`it was part of the GPL header`
`21:59.26`	`RPG_`	`oh`
`21:59.38`	`JeffM2501`	`now the rest of us have hellupdate`
`21:59.53`	`JeffM2501`	`tho it should automerge`
`21:59.54`	`RPG_`	`uh oh`
`22:00.07`	`JeffM2501`	`but it means every file will come down again for anyone updating`
`22:00.10`	`Tupone`	`well, it is like the 1st of january`
`22:00.11`	`brlcad`	`what's interesting is that there are only 792 c/c++ source/header files`
`22:00.11`	`JeffM2501`	`poor dialup users`
`22:00.17`	`JeffM2501`	`that is is`
`22:00.28`	`bryjen`	`gah, 60kbyte file upload limit : 327kbyte log file :(`
`22:00.29`	`Tupone`	`when Tim change the year`
`22:00.52`	`Tupone`	`sure? even uploading file?`
`22:01.13`	`brlcad`	`bryjen: uploading what/where?`
`22:01.19`	`bryjen`	`bzpastebin`
`22:01.21`	`brlcad`	`you can have an account on bzflag.bz if you need it`
`22:01.25`	`DTRemenak`	`JeffM2501: actually it is not bad at all. the entire changeset compresses into like 3kb - all the lines are identical except for the filenames`
`22:01.41`	`bryjen`	`yes, i looked for an upload file button so i didn't have to copy-paste all that`
`22:01.43`	`brlcad`	`could post to bzflag.bz/tmp or something`
`22:01.54`	`DTRemenak`	`and those of us who use dialup use cvs -z, smashes it all together`
`22:02.07`	`DTRemenak`	`much worse is sounds or graphics`
`22:02.11`	`JeffM2501`	`bryjen, put it in dev planing on bzbb :)`
`22:02.34`	`RPG_`	`hah, dev planning on BZBB`
`22:02.47`	`JeffM2501`	`RPG_, why funny?`
`22:02.59`	`brlcad`	`aha.. there are the missing hundred files`
`22:03.00`	`RPG_`	`that forum hasn't been used in yers`
`22:03.07`	`brlcad`	`apparently all the xml files had that in there too`
`22:03.09`	`JeffM2501`	`RPG_, so`
`22:03.11`	`brlcad`	`copied like a virus`
`22:03.31`	`JeffM2501`	`or do it in dev notes`
`22:03.35`	`JeffM2501`	`even better`
`22:03.48`	`bryjen`	`http://bryjen.bzflag.org/BUILD.txt`
`22:03.50`	`JeffM2501`	`RPG_, it was used in may`
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`22:09.24`	`brlcad`	`wow, the ipod nano.. cute`
`22:13.26`	`ToughShooter`	`bah, look at the new itunes`
`22:15.07`	`ToughShooter`	`http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/2521/bild23ht.png <- takes too much attention`
`22:18.30`	`brlcad`	`meh, looks fine`
`22:18.44`	`Tupone`	`bryjen: would you mind adding <<< AM_LDFLAGS=-export-dynamic >>> to src/bzfs/Makefile.am`
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`22:28.34`	`bryjen`	`Tupone: that works`
`22:28.59`	`Tupone`	`great. I suppose they both needs to be there`
`22:29.08`	`bryjen`	`both?`
`22:29.12`	`Tupone`	`now you should update before committing`
`22:29.33`	`Tupone`	`AC_LIBTOOL_DLOPEN and -export-dynamic`
`22:29.35`	`Tupone`	`no?`
`22:29.43`	`bryjen`	`i removed AC_LIBTOOL_DLOPEN`
`22:29.53`	`bryjen`	`since it did not seem to to anything`
`22:30.45`	`bryjen`	`here, very little`
`22:30.48`	`bryjen`	`;)`
`22:32.52`	`brlcad`	`oo`
`22:33.02`	`brlcad`	`i suppose I shoulda read this chapter a while ago`
`22:33.34`	`brlcad`	`libltdl`
`22:33.36`	`Tupone`	`simulating a system unable to dlopen ?`
`22:34.50`	`brlcad`	`it's a libtool-provided library that does dlopen cross-platform`
`22:35.01`	`brlcad`	`but requires you to use their funcs instead`
`22:35.18`	`brlcad`	`pretty much a drop in replacement, but still a bit fugly`
`22:35.26`	`brlcad`	`would be good for non dlopen systems`
`22:35.47`	`JeffM2501`	`what ones are those?`
`22:35.53`	`Tupone`	`yeah, I think -dlopen self would be the option to put there, but the explaination seems to much vague to me :/ so I put there just -export-dynamic`
`22:36.27`	`brlcad`	`JeffM2501: sames funcs pretty much, just prefixed with lt_`
`22:36.32`	`brlcad`	`or you mean systems`
`22:36.45`	`JeffM2501`	`yes systems`
`22:36.54`	`brlcad`	`beats me these days`
`22:37.15`	`brlcad`	`older os x didn't have it until mid 10.2`
`22:37.30`	`brlcad`	`dunno about sgi`
`22:41.16`	`SportyGal`	`JeffM2501: I was looking at your comment about the ban command: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=5094`
`22:41.29`	`SportyGal`	`does this mean banning in the future will be by callsign?`
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`22:42.26`	`bryjen`	`no, the "someguy" can still be an IP, a slot number, or a callsign`
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`22:47.30`	`brlcad`	`-module -avoid-version -no-undefined -export-dynamic, interesting stuff`
`22:47.53`	`RPG_`	`JeffM2501: bzfsAPI.cxx:228 ;`
`22:47.53`	`RPG_`	`if (with)`
`22:47.53`	`RPG_`	`return;`
`22:47.53`	`RPG_`	`if a user specifies value "with", he will be returned, without having the function evaultated. Did you forget to add "!" before with, to check if "with" doesn't exist?`
`22:53.01`	`CIA-2`	`BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfsAPI.cxx: correct replaceall (thx rpg)`
`22:53.17`	`DTRemenak`	`two bugs in that function actually`
`22:53.43`	`JeffM2501`	`RPG_, probably`
`22:53.45`	`DTRemenak`	`s/withMe/std::string(with) on line 230`
`22:53.59`	`RPG_`	`i thought withMe looked stragne too`
`22:54.18`	`RPG_`	`i figured someone'd find it if they were looking for the (with) thing`
`22:54.24`	`DTRemenak`	`someone did`
`22:54.33`	`JeffM2501`	`let me see`
`22:54.48`	`JeffM2501`	`you arn't suposed to actualy USE that stuff`
`22:54.59`	`DTRemenak`	`heh`
`22:55.37`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah good fixes all of em`
`22:56.00`	`JeffM2501`	`win32 api.. melting brain...`
`22:56.11`	`DTRemenak`	`heh :)`
`22:56.34`	`DTRemenak`	`most of it isn't too terribly insane actually`
`22:56.54`	`JeffM2501`	`DTRemenak, filling out a list controll with out MFC`
`22:57.03`	`DTRemenak`	`heh`
`22:57.14`	`DTRemenak`	`mfc is insane in its own special way`
`22:57.17`	`JeffM2501`	`lots of "SendMessage" calls`
`22:57.42`	`JeffM2501`	`at least the insanity is wraped in a class and works with the auto complete stuff :)`
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`22:58.05`	`DTRemenak`	`autocomplete is for wusses :)`
`22:58.14`	`JeffM2501`	`tho MFC wouldn't screw up much`
`22:58.31`	`JeffM2501`	`if I did the hooks right`
`22:58.34`	`DTRemenak`	`heh`
`22:59.12`	`DTRemenak`	`so you will write your own ugly convoluted code so that you can use someone else's ugly convoluted code in order not to have to look messages up in msdn? :)`
`22:59.14`	`JeffM2501`	`at least the world classes work fine`
`22:59.36`	`JeffM2501`	`my stuff is decently clean.`
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`22:59.51`	`geoffrey`	`hi`
`22:59.55`	`DTRemenak`	`yeah but if you had to "do the hooks right" would it still be? :)`
`22:59.55`	`JeffM2501`	`menu is hit, method is called in generic "editor" class`
`23:00.05`	`geoffrey`	`any trusted on viper's here?`
`23:00.19`	`JeffM2501`	`I meant I 'd ahve to deviate from the MFC way and shove it into a more sane way`
`23:00.27`	`JeffM2501`	`it woudln't be too bad`
`23:00.41`	`JeffM2501`	`mostly just not letting MFC do most of it`
`23:00.54`	`JeffM2501`	`like don't need it's doc/view since I have my own that is cross plat`
`23:01.14`	`JeffM2501`	`I could just partal mfc, and just use it for the dialogs`
`23:01.19`	`JeffM2501`	`that's the only place it's nice`
`23:01.49`	`JeffM2501`	`not that I need much in the way of dialgos.`
`23:01.54`	`JeffM2501`	`dialogs are for editors`
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`23:02.39`	`zoly`	`g'day`
`23:03.20`	`CIA-2`	`BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/tools/mapedit/ (17 files in 9 dirs):`
`23:03.21`	`CIA-2`	`BZFlag: render the ground using the world object size`
`23:03.23`	`CIA-2`	`BZFlag: start filling in the object list with crap`
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`23:08.27`	`RPG_`	`oops`
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