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| 00:13.14 | Tupone | I don't like a bzfs too much static. Some system installed library don't have to be in bzfs. libcurl, libidn, libcares are inside now :( |
| 00:21.42 | brlcad | Tupone: that's fine, feel free to revert, but the plugin lib thing probably should stay static |
| 00:22.15 | brlcad | it was just from "someone" complaining about not knowing about --prefix and not properly using make install :) |
| 00:22.16 | Tupone | I'm trying to re put bzfsAPI in bzfs and -dlopen self . Just trying |
| 00:22.34 | Tupone | prolly to much symbol exported |
| 00:23.09 | brlcad | hmm, that might work, dunno |
| 00:23.39 | Tupone | -dlopen self, at last, should export symbols from bzfs |
| 00:24.00 | Tupone | but works also when dlopen does not work |
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| 01:01.23 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/ (configure.ac src/bzfs/Makefile.am): don't build bzfs static. But export symbols needed by dlopened module. |
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| 02:59.37 | I_Died_Once | yo, can someone tell what file and what line you edit out to make /say anonymous ??? |
| 03:00.02 | I_Died_Once | in ~bzflag/src/bzfs |
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| 03:07.42 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03bryjen * 10bzflag/plugins/ (10 files in 10 dirs): if it's not a lib anymore, stop trying to link with it |
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| 03:08.07 | Mr_Molez | any gu admins around ? |
| 03:12.14 | Mr_Molez | n/m |
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| 07:03.16 | hw | ping |
| 07:03.20 | hw | !ping |
| 07:03.22 | hw | ~ping |
| 07:03.26 | ibot | pong |
| 07:03.39 | bzidiot | has something happend to the ibot ogs of this channel on rikers.org? |
| 07:03.48 | bzidiot | oops - ibot logs |
| 07:04.02 | hw | ~logs |
| 07:04.03 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, logs is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/, or stats http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/bzflag.html.gz |
| 07:04.33 | Pimpinella | I_Died_Once: src/commands.cxx |
| 07:05.02 | Pimpinella | comment out lines 2762 to 2764 |
| 07:05.29 | bzidiot | the most recent logs do not seem to capture any conversation at all |
| 07:05.48 | bzidiot | at http://ibot.rikers.org/ |
| 07:06.13 | Pimpinella | TimRiker: read up about channel logs |
| 07:07.06 | bzidiot | hmmm - maybe i'm looking at the wrong place.... |
| 07:07.13 | hw | The logs appear fine. They are in .gz format |
| 07:07.30 | hw | For example, yesterday's log: http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/20050911.html.gz |
| 07:08.52 | bzidiot | ok I think i blew a fuse there |
| 07:09.01 | Pimpinella | ack |
| 07:09.05 | Pimpinella | fine for me too |
| 07:09.20 | bzidiot | was clicking on the calendar links above not the log files |
| 07:09.24 | bzidiot | please excuse |
| 07:10.06 | hw | thats what happenes when u look at irclogs at 3am. |
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| 09:43.44 | flux_ | hi all, i have macosx and and building problem with bzflag. |
| 09:44.36 | flux_ | my compiler cant find sdl, but installed it so what should i do? |
| 09:45.01 | flux_ | set another path? but how? |
| 09:45.08 | flux_ | hello? |
| 09:45.15 | flux_ | is ther esomebody? |
| 09:45.26 | ruskie | wait for it |
| 09:45.33 | flux_ | oh (thx) |
| 09:45.58 | ruskie | someone who knows something about it will wake up and tell you about it... |
| 09:46.14 | flux_ | when? |
| 09:46.59 | ruskie | don't be impatient... |
| 09:47.04 | _Manu_ | flux_, I'm not mac user but if you have a sdl-dev package you must install it |
| 09:47.31 | flux_ | i have ALL possible sdl packages... because of that problem.. :( |
| 09:48.37 | _Manu_ | then you must wait for a mac dev/user |
| 09:48.44 | flux_ | ./configure said SDL isnt available but the version in the check later is allright...?! |
| 09:49.26 | flux_ | version of sdl... |
| 09:49.37 | _Manu_ | you also can try manually specify the paths in ./configure : |
| 09:49.39 | _Manu_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:49.39 | _Manu_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:50.12 | ruskie | hmmm play bzflag or mess with some tool I want to rewrite... |
| 09:50.27 | _Manu_ | hi ruskie |
| 09:50.31 | ruskie | lo _Manu_ |
| 09:51.46 | flux_ | i tried this before it before but it has still no effect..:( |
| 09:52.19 | ruskie | isn't there a --with-sdl-includes=path? or some such? |
| 09:54.43 | flux_ | no |
| 09:56.34 | flux_ | i never compiled bzflag before (but many other things..) is there something special? |
| 09:56.44 | _Manu_ | no |
| 09:57.00 | flux_ | ? |
| 09:57.20 | _Manu_ | nothing special, simply satisficy the required dependencies |
| 09:57.52 | flux_ | i hate maacosx! |
| 09:58.28 | flux_ | in the time i had debian everything worked.. |
| 09:58.33 | _Manu_ | you must be patient, I understand you are learning.. and it requires time |
| 09:59.23 | flux_ | so what should i do next? |
| 09:59.31 | flux_ | waiting? |
| 10:00.14 | _Manu_ | well you can look for what is making your error and try to fix it.. but as you are asking here, I imagine you can't |
| 10:00.24 | flux_ | yes |
| 10:00.28 | _Manu_ | so, you must wait |
| 10:02.04 | _Manu_ | you also can paste your ./configure message here: http://pastebin.ca/ and return us a link |
| 10:13.16 | ToughShooter | _flux_ do you have sdl-config installed? |
| 10:15.51 | flux_ | of course. |
| 10:16.08 | flux_ | the link to the ./configure output is http://pastebin.ca/22699 |
| 10:18.39 | flux_ | what failure have i done? |
| 10:19.58 | flux_ | or what is wrong? |
| 10:23.07 | flux_ | ..waiting.. |
| 10:24.10 | ToughShooter | Unfortunately I'm unable to help but I can show you how the output should look like. :( http://pastebin.com/361351 |
| 10:24.27 | flux_ | thdx |
| 10:24.29 | flux_ | thx |
| 10:26.20 | ToughShooter | I've compiled and installed the source code of SDL 1.2.9 directly (without fink) |
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| 10:33.34 | flux_ | does it work better? |
| 10:33.39 | flux_ | with bzflag? |
| 10:35.27 | ToughShooter | No idea. For me it appears as if your include path is wrong but I'm not sure. |
| 10:36.01 | flux_ | i agree with you, but what path is right? |
| 10:36.47 | ToughShooter | I suppose you need the path to the dir where sdl.h is located, that would be AFAIK somewhere in /opt |
| 10:37.35 | ToughShooter | err, fink uses /sw |
| 10:38.06 | flux_ | in my system it isnt in /opt.. |
| 10:38.23 | flux_ | but in /sw (i used fink..) |
| 10:38.26 | ToughShooter | Yeah, /opt was darwinports |
| 10:38.40 | flux_ | i am compiling sdl... |
| 10:38.57 | flux_ | i think the best solution.. |
| 10:40.24 | ruskie | ~bzfquery viper.pimpi.org:5158 |
| 10:40.53 | flux_ | wow?! |
| 10:42.09 | flux_ | ~bzfquery bzflag0.gamesunited.org:5154 |
| 10:42.36 | flux_ | ~bzfquery bzflag0.gamesunited.de:5154 |
| 10:42.43 | _Manu_ | flux_, where do you get the error, after executing make? |
| 10:42.51 | flux_ | yes |
| 10:43.00 | flux_ | while exec |
| 10:43.42 | flux_ | why? |
| 10:43.55 | _Manu_ | because no errors in configure |
| 10:44.06 | _Manu_ | and what's the erro? |
| 10:44.11 | _Manu_ | s/erro/error |
| 10:44.42 | ToughShooter | ~x en es erro |
| 10:44.45 | flux_ | i'll paste it, but wait a mom. |
| 10:45.13 | _Manu_ | ToughShooter, error is equal in english/spanish ;-p |
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| 10:45.55 | ToughShooter | _Manu_: It sounded so spanish and my spanish isn't that good anymore ;) |
| 10:46.25 | _Manu_ | error cames from Latin :) |
| 10:53.26 | ToughShooter | ~x de fr Fenster |
| 10:54.02 | ToughShooter | That word comes from french and doesn't sound like it would :p |
| 10:54.28 | _Manu_ | sry, I can't heard it ;-p |
| 11:02.52 | flux_ | compiling of sdl and bzflag works wonderful! |
| 11:03.04 | flux_ | thx for help |
| 11:03.12 | flux_ | :_ |
| 11:03.15 | flux_ | oops |
| 11:03.19 | flux_ | :) |
| 11:04.16 | ToughShooter | Hmm, what have you changed? :o |
| 11:04.26 | flux_ | i just compiled sdl |
| 11:04.45 | flux_ | before bzflag |
| 11:05.21 | flux_ | it was propably a path setting problem... |
| 11:05.35 | _Manu_ | flux_, next step is getting a fresh copy from cvs ;) |
| 11:05.52 | flux_ | i have a fresh copy :) |
| 11:06.11 | _Manu_ | ah.. cool |
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| 13:49.15 | Z80 | hi Tupy |
| 13:52.32 | Z80 | brlcad" 'someone' knows about --prefix, and knows about 'make install' |
| 13:52.48 | Z80 | he just didn't know that someone else changed it |
| 13:52.56 | Z80 | after years of having just one executable |
| 13:54.08 | Z80 | and 'someone' still doesn't think that a bzfs-specfic library should be a dll library :) |
| 13:58.03 | Z80 | errr, rather, shouldn't be treated as a system library |
| 14:02.29 | Grumbler | keep it down Z80, people are trying to sleep here |
| 14:03.17 | Z80 | grumble, grumle |
| 14:03.45 | Z80 | just replying to: "<brlcad> it was just from "someone" complaining about not knowing about --prefix and not properly using make install :)" |
| 14:04.33 | Grumbler | oy |
| 14:05.37 | jpa- | if i only may? |
| 14:28.33 | Tupone | Hi meno |
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| 15:24.50 | CBG | One has encountered a make error... can anyone help? |
| 15:27.37 | CBG | my make error: http://pastebin.ca/22714 |
| 15:37.44 | Chestal | on make or on running autogen.sh? |
| 15:38.15 | CBG | make. |
| 15:38.32 | CBG | I didn't do autogen.sh, my dev tools are set up badly or something. |
| 15:39.08 | CBG | I tried autoreconf first, afterwhich ./configure didnt work, so then I did the whole aclocal, autoheader, etc thing. |
| 15:39.19 | CBG | then ./configure worked, but make didnt. (see error) |
| 15:41.34 | CBG | so, any ideas, chestal? |
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| 15:44.06 | CBG | hey _Manu_! :) |
| 15:45.06 | Chestal | well, I was going to suggest to run autogen.sh again |
| 15:45.35 | CBG | Chestal: so, do all the other "stuff" again? |
| 15:45.39 | Chestal | it should create that file, prt of the libtool magic I guess, not familiar with it |
| 15:45.54 | Chestal | your build system shouldn't be broken in the first place :-) |
| 15:46.28 | _Manu_ | CBG, hi :) |
| 15:46.41 | CBG | Well, i'm updating CVS, so it has worked in the past, and I haven't changed any of my dev tools/whatever. so... :/ |
| 15:47.27 | Chestal | do you get errors when running autogen.sh? |
| 15:47.40 | CBG | I'll see. |
| 15:48.04 | CBG | -bash: autogen.sh: command not found |
| 15:48.42 | Chestal | ./autogen.sh ? |
| 15:49.06 | CBG | ach... ok |
| 15:49.43 | CBG | it's not finished but so far, no errors. just a warning: |
| 15:49.44 | CBG | Warning: libtoolize does not appear to be available. This means that |
| 15:49.44 | CBG | autoreconf cannot be used. |
| 15:50.14 | CBG | t's done, no errors. |
| 15:50.37 | Chestal | hmm, as I said, I am not familiar with the libtool stuff |
| 15:50.47 | Chestal | but my guess is that it would be better if you had libtoolize |
| 15:51.21 | CBG | configuring again... |
| 15:51.44 | Chestal | what operating system is this? |
| 15:51.52 | CBG | osx. |
| 15:57.40 | CBG | it all seems ok now. |
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| 17:37.07 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03menotume * 10db/bzfls.php: |
| 17:37.07 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: Added support for bzfs's "-advertise" option. This version was put online |
| 17:37.07 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: on Sep 11,2005. |
| 17:43.13 | orange | yay |
| 17:43.17 | orange | ~menotume++ |
| 17:43.25 | menotume | :) |
| 17:46.22 | ToughShooter | finally :) |
| 17:46.27 | ToughShooter | ~menotume++ |
| 17:51.03 | menotume | yes, it took me a while to figure out how to get it updated :) |
| 17:51.34 | Grumbler | boo, down with change, down with improvement.........oh wait, ww |
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| 17:58.05 | Tupone | hi menotume |
| 18:08.42 | JeffM2501 | menotume, it took you a while to figure out "just tell somone what to do?" :) |
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| 18:23.00 | yummy | hi, i have compiled without any Pb bzflag from current cvs on Mandriva beta 2006 ... however i have Pb for some days on OSX.4.2 ... i don't find major errors during the "make", only : collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 18:23.00 | yummy | make[2]: *** [bzfs] Error 1 |
| 18:23.00 | yummy | make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 |
| 18:23.00 | yummy | make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 |
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| 18:23.37 | JeffM2501 | that means there was at least one error in bzfs |
| 18:23.55 | yummy | but seems im blind ...can't see it :( |
| 18:24.13 | JeffM2501 | paste your make output into pastebin |
| 18:25.31 | yummy | sry i'm not irc addicted ;) ... what is pastebin ? |
| 18:25.41 | JeffM2501 | www.pastebin.ca |
| 18:25.44 | yummy | k |
| 18:25.44 | CBG | http://pastebin.ca |
| 18:25.54 | CBG | ah, you're too fast, jeff! :) |
| 18:26.01 | JeffM2501 | pastebin isn't an IRC thing |
| 18:26.54 | JeffM2501 | it's commonly used in IRC, IM, and things where it's not appropriate to paste large bodys of text |
| 18:27.03 | yummy | JeffM2501: http://pastebin.ca/22732 |
| 18:27.14 | Tupone | ~bzpastepin |
| 18:27.21 | Tupone | ~bzpastebin |
| 18:27.22 | ibot | [bzpastebin] a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel, and it archives too. - try http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/ |
| 18:27.45 | BenUrban | ~rafb |
| 18:27.46 | ibot | i guess rafb is Read a F***ing Book, where you can paste stuff without flooding the channel - try http://rafb.net/paste/ |
| 18:27.52 | BenUrban | ;) |
| 18:28.13 | JeffM2501 | umm thanks BenUrban, that umm helped a lot... |
| 18:28.18 | BenUrban | yep |
| 18:28.21 | BenUrban | heh |
| 18:28.23 | yummy | JeffM2501: this paste from "make" is done after a first run of "make" |
| 18:28.25 | JeffM2501 | yummy, are you building clean? |
| 18:28.47 | JeffM2501 | and did you autogen and configure first? |
| 18:28.55 | yummy | JeffM2501: i did: autogen.sh ; configure ; make |
| 18:29.09 | JeffM2501 | any errors or warnings in autogen or configure? |
| 18:29.11 | CBG | bodys = bodies |
| 18:29.14 | yummy | nope |
| 18:29.19 | Tupone | yummy: could you try to reconfigure --without-regex |
| 18:29.34 | yummy | i can remake the whole thing after a make clean if you want |
| 18:29.47 | JeffM2501 | do what Tupone said |
| 18:29.50 | yummy | k |
| 18:29.52 | JeffM2501 | your geeking in something deep |
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| 18:33.29 | ToughShooter | I know this...it always happen when I repair permissions from within disk utility |
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| 18:34.58 | ToughShooter | also the regex stuff only seem to be warnings, not errors |
| 18:35.37 | yummy | still running ...... |
| 18:36.15 | menotume | JeffM2501: Tokk a while to figure out who :) |
| 18:36.24 | ToughShooter | I may brake a fly on the wheel but I usually uninstall and reinstall dev tools when I get this |
| 18:36.30 | menotume | hi Tupone :) |
| 18:36.33 | Tupone | menotume |
| 18:36.37 | Tupone | hi |
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| 18:43.35 | jpa- | bradddd |
| 18:43.41 | jpa- | double-braddd |
| 19:01.01 | yummy | Tupone: it still fails without any obvious errors .... if u want i can copy/paste the whole outputs to pastebin if you want |
| 19:01.15 | Tupone | ~bzpastebin |
| 19:01.17 | ibot | methinks bzpastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel, and it archives too. - try http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/ |
| 19:02.58 | yummy | Tupone: http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/22736 |
| 19:04.00 | _Manu_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:05.20 | Tupone | yummy: have you tried to relax the optimization? |
| 19:05.37 | _Manu_ | oh.. it's client build |
| 19:05.46 | yummy | Tupone: i don't think do as i don't know what's this |
| 19:06.07 | Tupone | ~wake brlcad |
| 19:06.09 | ibot | brlcad: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 19:06.13 | BenUrban | lmao |
| 19:06.46 | Tupone | try to contact brlcad, as I think now is a problem specific with MacOSX |
| 19:07.01 | Tupone | even learner knows about, but brlcad is more serious |
| 19:07.11 | yummy | :) ok thx |
| 19:08.04 | _Manu_ | seems a problem linking.. :) |
| 19:11.13 | Tupone | _Manu_: without-regex means do not use bzflag-own regex library. So bzflag will use system regex |
| 19:11.23 | *** join/#bzflag yummy_bzflag (n=yummy@lns-p19-18-idf-82-65-117-107.adsl.proxad.net) |
| 19:11.24 | ToughShooter | I am almost sure re-installing dev tools will fix it |
| 19:11.40 | _Manu_ | Tupone, yes I know.. but why? :) |
| 19:11.53 | _Manu_ | what's the befefit?... :) |
| 19:11.56 | Tupone | why using system one? saving space |
| 19:12.21 | Tupone | but he had problem with duplicated symbols |
| 19:12.46 | Tupone | so, in that case, it is mandatory to use just one lib |
| 19:12.52 | _Manu_ | ToughShooter, I agree on you |
| 19:12.52 | ToughShooter | The multiple sympols are only warnings |
| 19:13.01 | yummy_bzflag | maybe i should try to reinstall dev tools so ? |
| 19:13.12 | ToughShooter | What is causing the problem are the undefined symbols |
| 19:13.36 | ToughShooter | It is maybe like breaking a fly on the wheel but it will help |
| 19:13.49 | Tupone | yummy_bzflag: follow ToughShooter advice, as he is on Mac |
| 19:14.05 | yummy_bzflag | k ... on the way to do it |
| 19:14.25 | ToughShooter | Don't repair permissions from within disk utility or you'll get the same error again |
| 19:14.28 | _Manu_ | ToughShooter, are not only warnings.. it can't link because it |
| 19:15.28 | _Manu_ | Tupone, I mean if it's enought good, why is not enabled default? k |
| 19:15.56 | Tupone | M$ could not have it |
| 19:16.12 | Tupone | and I should talk to learner and ask why |
| 19:16.15 | ToughShooter | yummy_bzflag: There is an unistall script at /Developer/Tools/uninstall-devtools.pl |
| 19:16.18 | _Manu_ | ah... again M$ and his non compatible compiler :/ |
| 19:16.55 | Tupone | learner said the shipped library was bugged in most system. Don't know the details |
| 19:17.12 | _Manu_ | well I trust learner :) |
| 19:17.22 | yummy_bzflag | ToughShooter: oh :( already overwritting stuff ..... will see if it's ok otherwise will uninstall 1st |
| 19:18.16 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzadmin/Makefile.am: bzadmin need regex to link |
| 19:19.59 | yummy_bzflag | ToughShooter: should i go with configure --without-regex or basic ./configure after reinstalling dev tools ? |
| 19:20.40 | ToughShooter | You don't need that --without-regex |
| 19:20.44 | yummy_bzflag | ok |
| 19:24.55 | Tupone | You don't need that --without-regex, but when learner will give sign of human life, I will try to make it the default |
| 19:28.48 | Tupone | make dist does not work :( fail while browsing the plugin directory |
| 19:30.47 | Tupone | Erroneous ..... |
| 19:31.06 | _Manu_ | Erroneous, is Erroneous |
| 19:32.13 | *** join/#bzflag Answer (n=qna@71.16.69.162) |
| 19:32.31 | Answer | ~seen SportChick |
| 19:32.33 | ibot | sportchick <n=SportChi@ca-redbch-cuda1-c3b-a-40.stmnca.adelphia.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 1d 21h 8m 12s ago, saying: 'ToughShooter: got your message - going to check it out'. |
| 19:34.21 | *** join/#bzflag I_Died_Once (n=I_Died_O@pcp0010382004pcs.savana01.ga.comcast.net) |
| 19:37.28 | *** join/#bzflag Guest174 (n=81f0680e@genesis.concept69.de) |
| 19:37.31 | *** part/#bzflag Guest174 (n=81f0680e@genesis.concept69.de) |
| 19:38.13 | ToughShooter | s/I/he |
| 19:38.19 | I_Died_Once | I'm having hosting problems. Since I am doing the daily CVS, the server is unstable, and my regulars want a separate server that wont crash so much |
| 19:38.31 | I_Died_Once | I cannot provide that |
| 19:39.13 | I_Died_Once | not that and do the dialy crash reporting |
| 19:39.21 | I_Died_Once | plugins are busted in CVS again |
| 19:39.54 | ToughShooter | To cite Jeff: Welcome to the world of development ;) |
| 19:40.45 | _Manu_ | for production, you must use stable things :) |
| 19:41.21 | I_Died_Once | Manu, there is/was a big time teamkiller on Viper's a short minute ago |
| 19:41.24 | _Manu_ | if you are using unstable, don't cry, it's part of the game :) |
| 19:41.41 | I_Died_Once | it's name is/was "yes" and "flo" |
| 19:41.46 | _Manu_ | oh.. |
| 19:41.51 | I_Died_Once | we polled and banned but he came right back |
| 19:41.53 | *** join/#bzflag lvlinux (n=gospelpr@94-pool1.ras17.gaatl-i.alerondial.net) |
| 19:41.57 | I_Died_Once | capping his own flags |
| 19:42.01 | I_Died_Once | there was no admins on |
| 19:42.06 | _Manu_ | if happens again.. just use /report |
| 19:42.33 | Tupone | if you post the plugin and we think "It is a good thing" we can move it inside bzfs as a command line triggerable option. SO even when plugin are busted, you don't care about |
| 19:42.47 | Tupone | s//have to/ |
| 19:43.01 | *** join/#bzflag Mr_Molez (i=mr_molez@openwire.metawire.org) |
| 19:43.09 | _Manu_ | I_Died_Once, thanks for the advice :) |
| 19:43.27 | lvlinux | hello I have a question- why don't the bots in my bzflag get flags or jump or anything like the ones on the servers that i have connected to? |
| 19:43.32 | Mr_Molez | anyone noticed on the latest windows beta.. no matter what resolution u set in bzflag. it always goes back to a very small resolution when u start the program |
| 19:43.52 | I_Died_Once | Hey, the plugin are the best thing to happen to bzflag is a while, IMO |
| 19:43.59 | ToughShooter | Autopilot is different from -solo |
| 19:44.17 | _Manu_ | I_Died_Once, I don't think so.. but who knows.. |
| 19:44.38 | Tupone | I_Died_Once: you miss the H , IMHO . don't forget |
| 19:44.58 | lvlinux | so the bots on the servers are on autopilot? |
| 19:45.33 | _Manu_ | I_Died_Once, at now.. for adding a feature you need three steps.. adding to bzfs.. implement in the api and write the plugin |
| 19:45.42 | ToughShooter | The autopilots jump, pick flags and almost behave like a human newbie, where -solo just makes them sooo obvious different |
| 19:45.50 | _Manu_ | earlier.. only implement in bzfs |
| 19:46.01 | _Manu_ | les wasted of time |
| 19:46.01 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/ (3 files in 3 dirs): make dist now do not fail. |
| 19:46.09 | I_Died_Once | lvlinux - the play that happens from autopilot is different then someone having bots on via -solo |
| 19:46.17 | ToughShooter | You can't see which player uses autopilot when you join later than them |
| 19:46.23 | I_Died_Once | autopilot will jump, -solo bots dont |
| 19:46.29 | lvlinux | so to play by myself (on local net only) i have to have a full client started for each bot i want with autopilot? |
| 19:46.39 | I_Died_Once | theres more differences, but i cannt remember em |
| 19:47.01 | I_Died_Once | well, if'n you're wanting to play with yourself.... |
| 19:47.11 | I_Died_Once | tha another chat room |
| 19:47.47 | lvlinux | oh, come on...you know what i meant |
| 19:48.02 | I_Died_Once | lvl - to join with bots... |
| 19:48.18 | I_Died_Once | 'you must run your bzflag client with the -solo command |
| 19:48.25 | I_Died_Once | give it the number of bots you want |
| 19:48.48 | I_Died_Once | so # bzflag -solo 1 - that'll give you one bot |
| 19:48.58 | lvlinux | well, that's what i've been doing, but the bots that way are too dumb. |
| 19:48.59 | JeffM2501 | autopilot and the bot are difrent logic sets tho |
| 19:49.10 | JeffM2501 | rodger is smarter thent he bots |
| 19:49.21 | JeffM2501 | yes if you want the autopilot logic, you have to have a client per |
| 19:49.29 | JeffM2501 | they don't share logic at this time |
| 19:49.30 | I_Died_Once | do not join servers with bots without permission, most server owners do not appreciate it |
| 19:49.52 | lvlinux | the bots with -solo don't jump or grab flags, but someone said the autopilot bots do. |
| 19:50.03 | JeffM2501 | the autopilot is smarter |
| 19:50.04 | I_Died_Once | like Jeff said... |
| 19:50.06 | lvlinux | no, i'm talking about on my own network playing by myself |
| 19:50.25 | JeffM2501 | there is a dodo to make them all use the best logic |
| 19:50.25 | I_Died_Once | or to put it differently... bots and autopilot have completely different intelligence |
| 19:50.32 | JeffM2501 | but it has not been todone yet |
| 19:50.38 | lvlinux | so do i need to have a dedicated computer running with autopilot for each smart bot i want? |
| 19:50.51 | I_Died_Once | yeah, we need to be able to have a bot on that is KILLER |
| 19:50.57 | I_Died_Once | make it really lethal |
| 19:51.04 | JeffM2501 | I_Died_Once, patches welcome |
| 19:51.12 | JeffM2501 | the AI is the hard part |
| 19:51.16 | I_Died_Once | no. lvl - join one client with the -solo # command |
| 19:51.18 | JeffM2501 | lvlinux, you may be able to multi instance it |
| 19:51.27 | JeffM2501 | I think had like 4 going on one system at once |
| 19:51.29 | brlcad | what does the shockwavedeath plugin do? |
| 19:51.43 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, makes a SW fire when you somone dies |
| 19:51.52 | brlcad | that kills others close? |
| 19:51.57 | I_Died_Once | brl - when a player dies, it triggers a world weapon SW where the player died |
| 19:52.01 | orange | shrapnel |
| 19:52.03 | lvlinux | I_Died_Once: i know how to do the solo thing-- i am interested in the autopilot stuff. |
| 19:52.17 | lvlinux | multi-instance? |
| 19:52.18 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, it can, its' just like if a world weap had been fired at your gravesite |
| 19:52.27 | JeffM2501 | lvlinux, run more then one bzflag |
| 19:52.40 | brlcad | heh, okay, that's what I figured -- we were just discussing the implemention of said feature here with some others.. |
| 19:52.45 | lvlinux | you mean like run the extras in a window or something? |
| 19:52.51 | I_Died_Once | yeah |
| 19:52.54 | Mr_Molez | umm.. everytime i start bzflag. i have to change the resolution.. to get it to fit the whole screen, anyone got any ideas ? |
| 19:52.54 | I_Died_Once | lvl- yeah |
| 19:52.57 | lvlinux | wouldn't that cripple my system? |
| 19:52.58 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, it's the oldest plugin, so it may be fuglyer |
| 19:53.15 | JeffM2501 | lvlinux, i will use CPU time sure, they will run slower |
| 19:53.18 | I_Died_Once | lvlinux - like I said, you may have to dedicate a computer or two if thats what you want |
| 19:53.33 | JeffM2501 | lvlinux, we dont' really have a way to perfectly do what you want, so any solution will have drawbacks. |
| 19:53.44 | I_Died_Once | what JeffM2501 said |
| 19:53.45 | lvlinux | ok, so each autopilot bot does actually require its own bzflag client? |
| 19:53.49 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 19:53.54 | lvlinux | ok, i see. |
| 19:53.59 | I_Died_Once | woot |
| 19:54.19 | JeffM2501 | bzflag is not a single player game |
| 19:54.26 | JeffM2501 | never has been, never will be |
| 19:54.36 | I_Died_Once | what about a plugin that makes breakfast in the morning |
| 19:54.44 | lvlinux | i do have computers that i can use for it- they don't have OpenGL GFX, but i can just run software rendering at super low res on them. |
| 19:54.45 | JeffM2501 | I_Died_Once, patches welcome |
| 19:54.54 | JeffM2501 | lvlinux, if you wish yes, |
| 19:55.05 | I_Died_Once | I bet patches are welcome for that |
| 19:55.10 | menotume | could be jittery, though |
| 19:55.20 | brlcad | okay, so another idea that came to mind.. have the player launch out every single possible weapon (perhaps several of each) randomly when they die :) |
| 19:55.20 | lvlinux | yeah i do understand that multiplayer is the best way, but i do like to play without being on the net sometimes (dialup stinks) |
| 19:55.20 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, what is there to discuss about it's implementation? it's butt simple |
| 19:55.29 | yummy_bzflag | ToughShooter: yay ..; resintalling dev tools solved my compilation issue .... but this is weird ... anyway .. Thx and also to all devs |
| 19:55.30 | I_Died_Once | brl - that would RULE |
| 19:55.39 | lvlinux | ok, well that answers my question-- thanks guys. |
| 19:55.48 | brlcad | JeffM2501: that was pretty much the discussion :) that it'd be trivial to do, then I remember seeing the plugin of similar name |
| 19:55.57 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, yeah could be fun |
| 19:56.02 | I_Died_Once | or how about a plugin that enforces 1 on 1 rules when play dwindles down to two players |
| 19:56.07 | *** part/#bzflag lvlinux (n=gospelpr@94-pool1.ras17.gaatl-i.alerondial.net) |
| 19:56.13 | JeffM2501 | I_Died_Once, code it up |
| 19:56.14 | ToughShooter | yummy_bzflag: I'm glad I was able to help :) |
| 19:56.16 | Mr_Molez | so. anyone got a solution to my resolution problem ? |
| 19:56.33 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, call it "deathsputter" |
| 19:57.10 | someone | Mr_Molez: by 'very small resolution', do you mean it's running in a window ? |
| 19:57.28 | JeffM2501 | bz has a min res, and it may get "interesting" under 640 |
| 19:57.42 | ToughShooter | Jitter is soo strange these days. Today I've seen a player that had +- 155 but was not jitttery in HUD and radar at all |
| 19:57.42 | someone | how about other settings ... radara size or something ... does it remember that ? |
| 19:58.17 | Mr_Molez | well it looks like a window.. its like window mode to the far top lefto f the screen.. but it aint window mode.. the rest of the screen is just black |
| 19:58.28 | someone | ohh |
| 19:58.33 | ToughShooter | but a linux-gnu-sdl player had +- 11 and was very jittery |
| 19:58.37 | JeffM2501 | your config has a geometry line |
| 19:58.38 | Mr_Molez | yeh it remembers radar etc |
| 19:58.39 | JeffM2501 | remove it |
| 19:58.52 | JeffM2501 | or your stencel buffer is all jacked |
| 19:59.13 | someone | that was my second guess, the stencil buffer (whatever that is) |
| 19:59.27 | Mr_Molez | just ahh yeh it has geometry |
| 19:59.30 | Mr_Molez | umm y is that there |
| 19:59.34 | JeffM2501 | remove it |
| 19:59.47 | JeffM2501 | you may have passed it in when running in windowed mode once |
| 19:59.59 | JeffM2501 | sometimes it gets 'wonkey' |
| 20:00.07 | Mr_Molez | ahh that was simple. thanks jeff ;) |
| 20:00.10 | someone | ~dict wonkey |
| 20:00.12 | JeffM2501 | did it work? |
| 20:00.25 | Mr_Molez | yep working normally now |
| 20:00.28 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 20:00.41 | I_Died_Once | i think wonkey ='s Willy Wonka-ish |
| 20:00.59 | I_Died_Once | "Come with me, and you'll see a world of pure imagination..." |
| 20:01.15 | JeffM2501 | it comes from the laten wonkacus, meaning "iffy" |
| 20:01.42 | BenUrban | ~dict wonky |
| 20:01.46 | BenUrban | :P |
| 20:01.50 | BenUrban | You Idiots |
| 20:01.53 | BenUrban | (TM) |
| 20:02.11 | JeffM2501 | oh thank you BenUrban for setting us all straight,, you are my hero |
| 20:03.06 | someone | lol |
| 20:07.41 | *** join/#bzflag CBG (n=CBG@cpc2-stme1-5-1-cust130.cdif.cable.ntl.com) |
| 20:09.50 | I_Died_Once | as Jeff blatantly ignores me |
| 20:10.08 | JeffM2501 | I did? |
| 20:10.12 | JeffM2501 | when? |
| 20:10.39 | *** join/#bzflag |zongo| (n=zongo@84-72-45-91.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 20:10.54 | I_Died_Once | I have been /msg'ing you fir a wminute now |
| 20:10.59 | CBG | Aww, poor I_Died_Once! |
| 20:11.06 | purple_cow | I_Died_Once: are you registered and identified? |
| 20:11.08 | orange | you're not identified |
| 20:11.15 | JeffM2501 | umm I sent you a /msg and you never resonded |
| 20:11.18 | purple_cow | freenode blocks unregistered /msgs |
| 20:11.19 | JeffM2501 | have the window up and it's empty |
| 20:11.22 | JeffM2501 | ahhh |
| 20:11.28 | JeffM2501 | reg up boyo :) |
| 20:11.28 | I_Died_Once | gah! |
| 20:11.37 | I_Died_Once | how the hell do i register then? |
| 20:11.48 | JeffM2501 | /msg nickserv help |
| 20:11.49 | I_Died_Once | I chat in here enouht to warrant a registered name |
| 20:11.56 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/plugins/Makefile.am: Complete the list of directory that have to be dist'ed |
| 20:14.31 | *** join/#bzflag YAKarsten (i=karsten@sourcemage/pdpc.sustaining.BearPerson) |
| 20:29.39 | Answer | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:29.47 | Answer | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:30.21 | *** join/#bzflag mmu_man (i=revol@ALyon-253-1-26-69.w83-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 20:30.41 | Tupone | Question: Answer, who are you ? |
| 20:31.04 | BenUrban | lmao |
| 20:31.06 | BenUrban | 42 |
| 20:31.08 | BenUrban | of course |
| 20:31.10 | Answer | I am Answer |
| 20:31.15 | Answer | obviously |
| 20:37.13 | ToughShooter | Maybe Answer comes from Bielefeld :D |
| 20:39.34 | someone | hmmm, real name: Question n' Answer |
| 20:40.01 | ToughShooter | (wikipedia may explains more for those who aren't familiar with the gag http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bielefeld-Verschw%C3%B6rung) |
| 20:40.15 | *** join/#bzflag RPG_ (n=G-bus@c-24-15-87-171.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 20:41.06 | CBG | HEY RPG_. |
| 20:41.14 | RPG_ | hey CBG |
| 20:49.51 | Answer | Who cares who I am anyways. Leave me alone. |
| 20:52.15 | *** part/#bzflag ToughShooter (n=ts@p54B003CF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 20:54.00 | JeffM2501 | umm who the heck was that? |
| 20:54.38 | RPG_ | an underpaid government worker |
| 20:54.46 | JeffM2501 | umm ok |
| 20:54.57 | brlcad | heh |
| 20:55.06 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:55.06 | JeffM2501 | I am extraordinary, I am just your ordinary |
| 20:55.06 | JeffM2501 | Average every day sane psycho |
| 20:55.06 | JeffM2501 | Supergoddess |
| 20:55.37 | brlcad | there are no supergoddess' working for uncle sam that I've yet to see |
| 20:55.54 | JeffM2501 | they hide from you |
| 20:56.30 | brlcad | lots of fat lazy people that don't like to do anything though |
| 20:56.48 | brlcad | maybe they hide behind them |
| 20:56.56 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/plugins/ (9 files in 9 dirs): Configure can be run from a different directory than source. like make distcheck does |
| 20:56.57 | RPG_ | heh |
| 20:56.57 | JeffM2501 | the smart ones do |
| 21:00.07 | JeffM2501 | na.. nana nananana... katamari damashi..... |
| 21:01.51 | Tupone | any reason why the file under plugins have the extension .cpp ? can they do not have the disclaimer ? |
| 21:02.33 | *** part/#bzflag |zongo| (n=zongo@84-72-45-91.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 21:02.35 | brlcad | no particular reason |
| 21:02.54 | brlcad | just JeffM2501 with his neverending subtle attempts to convert all the files to cpp :) |
| 21:03.00 | Tupone | lol |
| 21:03.04 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 21:03.25 | JeffM2501 | I never give up. Never surender! |
| 21:03.32 | JeffM2501 | cpp looks cooler |
| 21:04.02 | JeffM2501 | one day.... one day.. |
| 21:04.44 | JeffM2501 | basicly the first plugins wern't going to be in CVS, I was envisioning a serperate repository |
| 21:05.00 | JeffM2501 | so I didn't make them fit the existing code |
| 21:05.16 | JeffM2501 | and the fact that they are "optional" at Heir Rikkers request |
| 21:05.34 | JeffM2501 | but now they seem to be part of the standard build |
| 21:05.57 | JeffM2501 | I'm not drunk, I want to go home officer... and that's all |
| 21:07.16 | Tupone | I'm not for forcing those in the tree. If they are in the tree and do not follow the rules, I'have problem with checking consistency before release. Trying to fix the things I can |
| 21:07.54 | JeffM2501 | if you want to fix them, and the VC projects be my guest |
| 21:08.34 | JeffM2501 | I still think it'd be cool to have just a repsoitory for plugins |
| 21:08.35 | Tupone | I'm not, cpp does not bork make distcheck, other things does, and I'm fixing |
| 21:08.57 | JeffM2501 | but I don't know we can have plugins with autotool seperate from BZ |
| 21:09.32 | Tupone | Well, I think so, just checkout both tree |
| 21:09.37 | JeffM2501 | GEKIGANGER III ! |
| 21:10.24 | JeffM2501 | I was thinking that it'd be cool if we could have something where we had difrent levels of developers for the plugin repository, one level that could commit to all projects, and others that could only commit to there own project dirs, like teams that just need a repsoitory |
| 21:10.39 | JeffM2501 | yet any of us devs could help them out if they need it |
| 21:10.48 | RPG_ | cool |
| 21:11.02 | JeffM2501 | but I don't think that's posible with SF |
| 21:11.05 | Tupone | you could eventually open anouther project in sourceforge for this |
| 21:11.08 | RPG_ | :) |
| 21:11.10 | JeffM2501 | and if it is, I have 0 clue how to set tit up |
| 21:11.13 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, posibly |
| 21:11.20 | JeffM2501 | if SF can allow that level of controll |
| 21:11.31 | JeffM2501 | I was thinking of doing svn on my.bzflag.org for it |
| 21:11.56 | RPG_ | ~svn |
| 21:12.00 | ibot | methinks subversion is version control software. see http://subversion.tigris.org/ it aims to be a better CVS than CVS. |
| 21:12.00 | _Manu_ | you also can make your own tree in your local hd.. := |
| 21:12.00 | _Manu_ | :) |
| 21:12.23 | JeffM2501 | _Manu_, I was thinking for teams ( more then 1) who wanted colaboration |
| 21:12.28 | Tupone | I think you can work on my.bzflag.org if SF do not allow this |
| 21:12.31 | JeffM2501 | then in the end we have all the plugins in once place |
| 21:12.34 | RPG_ | the masterbot plugin would use it |
| 21:13.05 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, I'm sure it's posible, I'm just not knowloedgabe enough to do it |
| 21:13.14 | JeffM2501 | I'm just full of sound and furry, signifying nothing. |
| 21:13.20 | Tupone | but I guess CVSROOT directory has file that allow control on who can do what |
| 21:13.41 | brlcad | much cooler sounding than the pee pee files |
| 21:13.44 | JeffM2501 | you need to get out more |
| 21:13.58 | brlcad | probably |
| 21:14.19 | Tupone | s/probably/I'll do/ |
| 21:14.22 | JeffM2501 | there are a number of establishments in the nevada desert that can take care of the CXX for you |
| 21:14.48 | Tupone | Las Vegas ? |
| 21:14.59 | JeffM2501 | no, not in las vegas or clark county |
| 21:15.02 | JeffM2501 | it's illegal there |
| 21:15.53 | brlcad | JeffM2501: your per-dir/repo access idea isn't possible on sf.net, but perhaps will be when they provide subversion |
| 21:16.19 | brlcad | it is generally possible with cvs, but you need access to repo files, which we don't get |
| 21:16.19 | RPG_ | which one: sizeof(logtext) or logtext.size() ? |
| 21:16.21 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, that's why I was thinking mybo, or .bz or soemthing |
| 21:16.36 | brlcad | sure, *shrug* |
| 21:16.38 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, what is logtext? |
| 21:16.41 | RPG_ | std::string |
| 21:16.44 | JeffM2501 | the latter |
| 21:16.51 | RPG_ | it seems to not work |
| 21:16.53 | RPG_ | neither of them do |
| 21:17.06 | JeffM2501 | you want the size of the string, not the size of the class |
| 21:17.13 | JeffM2501 | what does it return? |
| 21:17.23 | JeffM2501 | and remember size_t is unsigned :) |
| 21:17.36 | RPG_ | eh? |
| 21:17.39 | RPG_ | here's my logfile: |
| 21:17.39 | RPG_ | http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/22745 |
| 21:17.43 | JeffM2501 | oh, Tupone got a sec for a nix question? |
| 21:17.53 | Tupone | if I can answer ... yes |
| 21:17.59 | RPG_ | the plugin logs the correct text, then about a few hundred extra characters that are unnecessary |
| 21:18.13 | RPG_ | .szie() was being used for a paramater in fwrite() |
| 21:18.14 | JeffM2501 | what distro should i use for a AMD64 |
| 21:18.25 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, what did you fill it with? |
| 21:18.44 | RPG_ | logtext = ((bz_PlayerJoinPartEventData*)eventData)->callsign.c_str(); |
| 21:18.44 | RPG_ | logtext += " has left the server from "; |
| 21:18.45 | Tupone | you mean linux? |
| 21:18.59 | Tupone | the easiest I guess is FC4 |
| 21:19.02 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, with like a new nforce 4 mobo and a wierd nic |
| 21:19.03 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:19.08 | JeffM2501 | FC4 crashes |
| 21:19.16 | Tupone | ohh, gentoo ? |
| 21:19.20 | JeffM2501 | oh and it's dual core, PCI-Express, with dual video cards |
| 21:19.29 | JeffM2501 | I haven't tried gentoo yet |
| 21:19.38 | JeffM2501 | orchid was leaning that way too |
| 21:19.45 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, debug and see |
| 21:19.51 | Tupone | debian? |
| 21:20.00 | JeffM2501 | debian can't find the nic |
| 21:20.21 | Tupone | try the gentoo bootstrap ... the 64 bit one |
| 21:20.24 | JeffM2501 | ubantu geeks on X install and it's grub dosn't like the SATA drives |
| 21:20.37 | Tupone | it should recognize the mic |
| 21:20.40 | JeffM2501 | do I have to do anything special to make it be a SMB kernel? |
| 21:20.54 | Tupone | yeah, you need to build the kernel |
| 21:20.58 | Tupone | and enable SMP |
| 21:21.09 | JeffM2501 | I may try that one day when your on :) |
| 21:21.35 | JeffM2501 | I've got a pile of distro disks that are NFG at home, it's fun :) |
| 21:21.37 | Tupone | ok, gentoo will give the nice ssh daemon to help :) |
| 21:21.56 | JeffM2501 | sadly I don't have access to my router, so i can't route anything in |
| 21:22.00 | JeffM2501 | tho maybe I can bring it to work oneday |
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| 21:28.49 | Raoul | hi |
| 21:29.34 | Tupone | hi |
| 21:29.58 | Raoul | i recently downloaded both bzflag and an irc client lol, 0_0 |
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| 21:32.30 | JeffM2501 | that was informative |
| 21:32.52 | orchid | :) |
| 21:34.54 | brlcad | lol, 0_0 |
| 21:34.58 | brlcad | *ahem* |
| 21:36.47 | RPG_ | err? |
| 21:36.49 | RPG_ | strange rror |
| 21:36.59 | RPG_ | std::string text = bz_format("%d", logtext.size()); |
| 21:37.10 | RPG_ | bz_format returns |
| 21:37.10 | RPG_ | +text{"1235944"}std::basic_string<char,std::char_traits<char>,std::allocator<char> > |
| 21:37.26 | RPG_ | logtext.size() is around 40 |
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| 21:42.55 | Tupone | make distcheck works now. It is ready to be shipped. Does someone object to mark the current status as a candidate release, meaning that no change will be done except if really necessary? |
| 21:44.50 | JeffM2501 | how am I suposed to tell him stuff if he leaves |
| 21:45.16 | orchid | lol 0_0 |
| 21:50.12 | JeffM2501 | And it's all right, it's ok, you can look the other way. Wether your a brother or a lover your stayin' alive...stayin' alive |
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| 22:07.50 | someone | i object ! |
| 22:07.53 | someone | overruled ! |
| 22:08.15 | Tupone | you objet what? |
| 22:08.25 | someone | nvm, i overruled myself :) |
| 22:08.42 | Tupone | ~spell object |
| 22:08.56 | someone | there is a nasty bug concerning random flag spawns on ctf, but i don't know how recent it is |
| 22:09.12 | someone | 'object' means to disagree (sort of) |
| 22:10.07 | Tupone | so you want to fix that bugs before releasing ? |
| 22:10.12 | someone | nope |
| 22:10.20 | someone | just wanted to mention it |
| 22:10.36 | Tupone | lot of bugs :) |
| 22:10.37 | someone | bzfs isn't so critical |
| 22:10.45 | someone | for release purposes |
| 22:12.02 | someone | Tupone: it's an intermittant bug. has really only been seen on pimpi/dub (probably because it is more recent) |
| 22:12.20 | someone | it happened to me on first join after loading bzfs yesterday, but has been ok since |
| 22:14.10 | Tupone | Some people should test make distcheck on different OS, to see if it is all right with source |
| 22:14.31 | JeffM2501 | we don't have a dist check |
| 22:14.59 | Tupone | mingw has, MacOSX has |
| 22:15.12 | JeffM2501 | we don't build the windows dist with mingw |
| 22:15.29 | JeffM2501 | all I do is xport and zip the entire dang thing :) |
| 22:15.50 | Tupone | FreeBSD , Sun ... all command-line build system has. make distcheck is just a test if all source are in the distribution |
| 22:16.20 | JeffM2501 | how many binary only distros are there? |
| 22:16.26 | JeffM2501 | win, mac, debian? |
| 22:16.38 | Tupone | only those IIRC |
| 22:16.51 | Tupone | and debian is not on SF repository |
| 22:16.57 | JeffM2501 | no it's not |
| 22:17.05 | JeffM2501 | what are the RPM builds? |
| 22:17.07 | JeffM2501 | source and bin? |
| 22:17.23 | Tupone | rpm are obsoleted in bzflag d/l |
| 22:17.30 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 22:18.12 | Tupone | I 'm marking source with v2_0_4_rc1 if you all agree |
| 22:18.14 | JeffM2501 | I guess with the prevalance of package respositorys, it makes sense that we'd not need any linux downloads |
| 22:18.31 | Tupone | I guess source is ok |
| 22:18.49 | JeffM2501 | tho it would be cool if SF had a repository for the major systems, that we could just add our stuff to. |
| 22:18.59 | JeffM2501 | like if SF was an apt source |
| 22:19.30 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, do you want us to do another windows beta build? |
| 22:19.56 | Tupone | yeah, I just marking v2-0-4-rc1. you can do the build the same name |
| 22:20.09 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 22:20.16 | JeffM2501 | it's been a bit since we've built |
| 22:20.50 | Tupone | and I guess I can upload someplace the source.tar.bz |
| 22:21.09 | JeffM2501 | we do have that "beta builds" section on mybo |
| 22:21.35 | Tupone | so I can upload the source. How can I ? |
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| 22:24.03 | JeffM2501 | ssh |
| 22:24.21 | JeffM2501 | /var/www/builds/.............. |
| 22:24.31 | Tupone | I know, scp. But I miss some important details |
| 22:24.41 | Pimpi | the bug everyone mentioned happens only on my ducati style servers |
| 22:24.45 | JeffM2501 | do you have an account on the system? |
| 22:25.05 | Pimpi | not on hix2 or viper |
| 22:25.13 | Tupone | I guess not |
| 22:25.56 | Pimpi | g'nite |
| 22:25.57 | Tupone | nite Pimpi |
| 22:29.38 | Tupone | does people need .zip for windows, or nobody build from source |
| 22:29.56 | Tupone | I'm uploading .tar.bz2 now. the shorter |
| 22:30.15 | JeffM2501 | windows people use CVS usualy |
| 22:31.02 | JeffM2501 | I'm building clean now |
| 22:33.10 | Tupone | http://my.bzflag.org/build/bzflag-2.0.3.20050912.tar.bz2 is the source for 2.0.4-rc1 |
| 22:33.55 | Tupone | I'm going to sleep :) could you add that source file to the post within your build info |
| 22:34.04 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 22:34.19 | Tupone | it is already configured. So people do not need any autotool for that |
| 22:34.37 | Tupone | and, in case they need, better to report it |
| 22:34.49 | Tupone | cya |
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| 22:37.53 | JeffM2501 | ahh cool. |
| 22:37.56 | JeffM2501 | windows dosn't build |
| 22:37.58 | JeffM2501 | great |
| 22:40.24 | someone | dammit JeffM2501: i can't get that stupid song out of my head ... ah ah ah ah, staying alive, staying alive |
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| 22:45.13 | JeffM2501 | There's a little black spot on the sun today |
| 22:45.18 | JeffM2501 | same old thing as yesterday |
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| 22:48.00 | RPG_ | h |
| 22:48.01 | RPG_ | i |
| 22:48.19 | JeffM2501 | Reluctantly crouched that the starting line |
| 22:48.26 | JeffM2501 | engines pumping and thumping in time |
| 22:48.41 | JeffM2501 | the green light flashes, the flags go up |
| 22:48.44 | I_Died_Once | ... |
| 22:48.47 | JeffM2501 | chruning and burning they go for the cup |
| 22:49.00 | I_Died_Once | he's going the distance |
| 22:49.06 | JeffM2501 | they deftly manuver and mussle for rank |
| 22:49.07 | I_Died_Once | he's going for speed |
| 22:49.12 | RPG_ | The Distance? |
| 22:49.20 | I_Died_Once | she's all alone in her time of need |
| 22:49.44 | RPG_ | Fuel burning fast on an empty tank |
| 22:50.17 | RPG_ | Does anyone wanna answer some linux questions righ tnow/ |
| 22:50.33 | JeffM2501 | bowel shaking earthquakes of doubt and remorse |
| 22:50.35 | I_Died_Once | shoot |
| 22:51.20 | RPG_ | I installed winXP after FC3, therefore my grub bootloader was overwritten. Right now I can't get to FC3. I can use the FC3 CD to get into Linux Rescue Mode, but from there, how would I repair my bootloader? |
| 22:51.27 | JeffM2501 | that's prety dumb |
| 22:51.30 | RPG_ | yea |
| 22:51.33 | JeffM2501 | windows first |
| 22:51.33 | RPG_ | did it a few months ago |
| 22:51.35 | JeffM2501 | every time |
| 22:51.45 | RPG_ | hasn't worked |
| 22:51.57 | JeffM2501 | you need to have the bootloader rinstalled into the MBR |
| 22:52.01 | I_Died_Once | get in rescue mode and reinstall your bootloader |
| 22:52.08 | JeffM2501 | upgrade it to FC4 :) |
| 22:52.19 | RPG_ | actually, that' s not a bad idea |
| 22:52.20 | I_Died_Once | or re-grade to suse |
| 22:52.23 | RPG_ | it'd reinstall my bootloader too, light? |
| 22:52.25 | RPG_ | *right |
| 22:52.27 | JeffM2501 | it should yes |
| 22:52.29 | I_Died_Once | yeah |
| 22:53.03 | RPG_ | is there a 64bit version of FC4? |
| 22:53.12 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 22:53.17 | RPG_ | ooohhh |
| 22:53.19 | RPG_ | fancy |
| 22:53.28 | JeffM2501 | you have an AMD64? |
| 22:53.31 | RPG_ | yes |
| 22:53.34 | JeffM2501 | what one? |
| 22:53.35 | RPG_ | Atahlon 3000+ |
| 22:53.48 | JeffM2501 | they made a 64 that slow? |
| 22:53.57 | RPG_ | 1.8ghz :/ |
| 22:54.10 | JeffM2501 | thought 64's started at 3200 |
| 22:54.22 | RPG_ | i think you can get a 2800+ 64 |
| 22:54.33 | JeffM2501 | yeah you can |
| 22:54.40 | JeffM2501 | bit of overlap there |
| 22:54.47 | JeffM2501 | musta been fun for a while :) |
| 22:54.55 | RPG_ | eh? |
| 22:54.58 | RPG_ | fun for awhile? |
| 22:55.03 | JeffM2501 | regular XPs go to 3200 |
| 22:55.13 | JeffM2501 | so if you say you have an athalon 3000+ |
| 22:55.20 | JeffM2501 | you could have 1 of 3 chips |
| 22:55.32 | JeffM2501 | 64, or 2 32bit variants |
| 22:55.44 | JeffM2501 | 166 and 200 core bus variants |
| 22:55.45 | I_Died_Once | I'm on an old pentuim 3 coppermine 933 mhz |
| 22:55.53 | I_Died_Once | woot |
| 22:55.57 | JeffM2501 | why? |
| 22:56.05 | JeffM2501 | it's a glorified celly :) |
| 22:56.07 | I_Died_Once | cause its what i have |
| 22:56.16 | RPG_ | i got the 64 one |
| 22:56.36 | JeffM2501 | socket A? |
| 22:56.39 | RPG_ | 939 |
| 22:56.50 | JeffM2501 | well if FC3 installed, FC4 should |
| 22:57.27 | JeffM2501 | but be warned, it's not like windows when you do the 64 thing, you have to install a bunch of 32 bit compatability libs |
| 22:57.44 | JeffM2501 | not all software has been ported to 64 bit native |
| 22:57.59 | RPG_ | "a bunch" are the words i don't like |
| 22:58.30 | RPG_ | i'd only use it for stuff like e-mail, chat, IM, web, and BZFlag |
| 22:58.44 | RPG_ | maybe if i *love* it, i'll find an IDE for PHP or C++ and put it on there too |
| 22:59.32 | RPG_ | before I get too far into the download, does anyone severely object to FC4? |
| 23:01.31 | JeffM2501 | it crashed for me |
| 23:01.35 | JeffM2501 | but I'm on wierdness |
| 23:01.45 | RPG_ | wierdness? |
| 23:01.48 | JeffM2501 | it's probalby the easyest thing your going to find to install and use |
| 23:01.56 | JeffM2501 | I'm dual core with a new mobo |
| 23:02.03 | JeffM2501 | and dual video |
| 23:02.26 | JeffM2501 | if you are going to just fix FC3, there is no reason to not do FC4 |
| 23:02.56 | JeffM2501 | I prefer distros with stuff like apt |
| 23:03.06 | JeffM2501 | something that will go GET the software I want |
| 23:03.13 | RPG_ | apt-GET |
| 23:03.18 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 23:03.21 | JeffM2501 | apt rocks |
| 23:03.32 | JeffM2501 | I hear emerge rocks more |
| 23:04.47 | JeffM2501 | if you want to just play, fedora is fine, it will come with most of the softwares you will use |
| 23:04.59 | RPG_ | Gaim, Firefox, Thunderbird, BZFlag |
| 23:05.00 | JeffM2501 | and a lot of places have RPMs to download and they are prety easy to install |
| 23:05.12 | RPG_ | and DTR said something about an IDE called "bluefish" |
| 23:05.19 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 23:05.27 | JeffM2501 | I don't know much about php IDes |
| 23:05.51 | RPG_ | i find it impossible to code without syntax hilighting |
| 23:06.03 | JeffM2501 | one fish two fish, red fish, blue fish |
| 23:06.23 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, then prepare to be mocked by every single linux user and developer |
| 23:06.50 | JeffM2501 | they will tell you to get an emacs thingy that does it |
| 23:07.05 | JeffM2501 | then you will go insane, grow a bear and get a silly hat |
| 23:07.05 | RPG_ | i've used emacs |
| 23:07.11 | RPG_ | it's strange |
| 23:07.17 | RPG_ | belongs in a star trek movie |
| 23:07.17 | JeffM2501 | emacs blows |
| 23:07.25 | RPG_ | it s like 50megs |
| 23:07.30 | RPG_ | and all it is is a text editor! |
| 23:07.33 | JeffM2501 | it's from the terminal days |
| 23:07.37 | RPG_ | oh |
| 23:07.38 | JeffM2501 | it has many options |
| 23:07.43 | JeffM2501 | it's more then a text editor |
| 23:07.46 | RPG_ | really? |
| 23:07.49 | JeffM2501 | it kinda is an ide in iteslf |
| 23:07.56 | JeffM2501 | and you probably got xemacs |
| 23:07.59 | RPG_ | from the few days I had linux, all i reemember it as was a texd ecitor |
| 23:08.00 | RPG_ | yea |
| 23:08.01 | RPG_ | that's it |
| 23:08.04 | RPG_ | xemacs |
| 23:08.10 | JeffM2501 | "real" editors dont' run in X |
| 23:08.14 | JeffM2501 | they are terminal things |
| 23:08.20 | RPG_ | i used KDE |
| 23:08.30 | JeffM2501 | thats a window manager |
| 23:08.33 | JeffM2501 | not linux |
| 23:08.37 | JeffM2501 | that's on top of X |
| 23:08.40 | RPG_ | oh |
| 23:08.47 | JeffM2501 | linux itself dosn't have a window GUI |
| 23:08.50 | RPG_ | i thought KDE, gnome, and X were the 3 dindows manager |
| 23:09.02 | JeffM2501 | X is the window environment |
| 23:09.05 | RPG_ | speaking ofthat, what's your preference? gnome or KDE? |
| 23:09.31 | JeffM2501 | KDE and GNOME ride on top if it as desktop managers, and use a WINDOW manager ( like iceWM, or sawfish ) to display the windows |
| 23:09.47 | JeffM2501 | it's all very multi leveled |
| 23:09.54 | RPG_ | i see |
| 23:09.56 | JeffM2501 | so it's very customizeable |
| 23:10.02 | JeffM2501 | but also very complex and confusing |
| 23:10.11 | JeffM2501 | there are many other window managers |
| 23:10.14 | JeffM2501 | like fluxbox |
| 23:10.19 | JeffM2501 | it's very small |
| 23:10.26 | JeffM2501 | dosn't need KDE or Gnome |
| 23:10.46 | JeffM2501 | there are even 2 variants of X |
| 23:10.58 | JeffM2501 | Xfree96 and xorg |
| 23:11.03 | JeffM2501 | 86 even |
| 23:11.20 | JeffM2501 | lot of distros are changing to xorg it seems |
| 23:12.06 | RPG_ | oh damn |
| 23:12.19 | RPG_ | i accidently hit cancel on the download |
| 23:16.22 | I_Died_Once | you hat |
| 23:24.48 | ChipX86 | JeffM2501: all the XFree86 developers left and moved to xorg. Distros that don't change to xorg are going to be outdated fast |
| 23:25.12 | JeffM2501 | yes I see that |
| 23:25.24 | JeffM2501 | I wasn unaware of why the fork happend, now I see why |
| 23:25.28 | JeffM2501 | wikipedia rocks :) |
| 23:25.32 | ChipX86 | :) |
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