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| 00:03.42 | plp04 | hi, i want to get started with bzflag. i have installed but theres no one around... anything i have to do before i start? |
| 00:05.26 | blast007 | just go to Join Server > Find Servers |
| 00:05.35 | blast007 | the ones with the most players will be at the beginning |
| 00:06.07 | JeffM2501 | then shoot people who arn't your color |
| 00:06.24 | JeffM2501 | unless your black |
| 00:06.28 | JeffM2501 | then snoot EVERYONE |
| 00:12.52 | plp04 | cheers! |
| 00:13.16 | plp04 | it works although I'm still pretty bad... |
| 00:13.42 | JeffM2501 | practice makes perfect |
| 00:20.12 | JeffM2501 | anyone have any problem with the chat forums auto pruing after a month? |
| 00:20.34 | JeffM2501 | or even 2 weeks inactive |
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| 01:28.05 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 01:28.15 | JeffM2501 | never thought of the racial undertones of bzflag? |
| 01:28.20 | JeffM2501 | kill those who are difrent |
| 01:29.24 | purple_cow | bah |
| 01:30.28 | JeffM2501 | ohy is pruning a pain in the butt |
| 01:31.31 | ChipX86 | JeffM2501: I was thinking that the other night |
| 01:32.06 | ChipX86 | I was going after red tanks, grabbed genocide, and my mind starting wondering about that |
| 01:37.01 | JeffM2501 | did you shout "ACTUNG!!!" |
| 01:37.21 | JeffM2501 | rabbit mode is the worst |
| 01:37.36 | JeffM2501 | I call it "down with whitie" |
| 01:38.56 | JeffM2501 | I fear if we ever hook up team skins, then we'll have like team america going around killing anyone difrent |
| 01:39.55 | JeffM2501 | the little cristian kiddies are allready telling me that I can't let people say "damn" |
| 01:42.29 | JeffM2501 | mofo is gonna get a HUGE boot down when I turn there prune on |
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| 01:50.44 | orange | is it wrong to drink a Harp with a Budweiser cozy? |
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| 02:03.22 | JeffM2501 | it's wrong to own a budweiser cozy |
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| 02:31.17 | LouMan | Hi all - does anyone know if bzfs would kick all players if 2 bzadmins from same ip join the same game? |
| 02:32.55 | LouMan | i have a cron controlled bzadmin i am using as a flag reset, and every time it joins/quits all players seem to have their clients crash |
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| 02:38.02 | LouMan | the exact scenario was this: i had 1 bzadmin i used as monitor, 1 bzadmin as flag reset every 1/2 hour and I was playing on a client, all from same ip |
| 02:39.02 | LouMan | when my flag reset bzadmin joined, reset the flags and quit, all players' clients crashed completely. |
| 02:45.11 | blast007 | but really, it _shouldn't_ crash the players' clients :) |
| 02:45.39 | LouMan | i wouldn't think so either, but it seemed to |
| 02:46.21 | LouMan | wonder if the server gets confused with 3 'players' from same ip? |
| 02:47.13 | blast007 | doubt it |
| 02:47.18 | blast007 | each player has a unique id |
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| 02:47.45 | LouMan | hmmm - i have no clue, but thx anyway |
| 02:47.59 | blast007 | maybe it's sending the flag update after the bzadmin client has disconnected |
| 02:48.17 | blast007 | I'm not real familiar with how bzadmin disconnects :) |
| 02:48.35 | blast007 | if it's a nice quit, or just a "close the connection" kind of thing |
| 02:49.11 | LouMan | perhaps, my command is bzadmin FlagReset:password@louman.bzflag.bz "/flag reset unused" "/quit" |
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| 02:50.30 | LouMan | correction: bzadmin FlagReset:password@louman.bzflag.bz:5157 "/flag reset unused" "/quit" |
| 02:50.49 | blast007 | you could try running that command manually, both with and without the "/quit" part |
| 02:51.22 | LouMan | will do |
| 02:53.29 | orange | bzfscron sounds like just the ticket for that |
| 02:53.37 | orange | dtremenak's cool plugin |
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| 02:53.55 | orange | JeffM2501: I didn't *buy* the Budweiser cozy :-) |
| 02:54.03 | LouMan | ? that exists? where do I find it? |
| 02:54.39 | orange | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=5018 |
| 02:54.45 | LouMan | thx |
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| 02:59.20 | JeffM2501 | orange, but you "own" it, you covvet it as your own, you put beers in it.. you give it reason to exist ;) |
| 03:00.07 | orange | it keeps my beer cold, it serves me |
| 03:00.26 | JeffM2501 | a freezer chilled glass will do that |
| 03:03.31 | JeffM2501 | see your cosy has made orchid time out |
| 03:04.42 | orange | it's a nice shade of red |
| 03:06.03 | JeffM2501 | the red of the fires of hell from which it was brought! |
| 03:06.26 | JeffM2501 | actualy it was probalby made of the same plastic they make the beers outa ;) |
| 03:06.43 | orange | oh, no, it's a nice foam, almost like a wetsuit |
| 03:07.00 | JeffM2501 | like I said, the same stuff the beer is made out of |
| 03:07.04 | JeffM2501 | plastic and seawater |
| 03:07.11 | orange | but please, don't call budweiser beer |
| 03:07.18 | JeffM2501 | true |
| 03:07.27 | JeffM2501 | the beerlike substance |
| 03:08.14 | JeffM2501 | wonder what states keep bud in production |
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| 03:55.47 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous, ping |
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| 04:01.08 | RPG_ | JeffM: on FC4, 64bit, it's running great |
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| 04:02.58 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 04:03.27 | JeffM2501 | looks like I'll have to go gentoo |
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| 04:10.13 | orange | JeffM2501: gentoo is good |
| 04:10.50 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 04:10.56 | JeffM2501 | just never had luck installing it |
| 04:11.05 | orange | not so good for you then :-) |
| 04:11.18 | JeffM2501 | may not have much of a choice |
| 04:11.27 | JeffM2501 | all other distros have problems for me |
| 04:12.22 | jpa- | gentoo is good |
| 04:12.38 | RPG_ | anyone know a good link for mounting NTFS drives on FC4? |
| 04:12.50 | jpa- | but the easiest is to get some helpful gentoo-penguin to install it for you |
| 04:12.51 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, it's not simple |
| 04:13.00 | RPG_ | I've done it before, on FC# |
| 04:13.03 | jpa- | RPG_: read-only or read-write? |
| 04:13.03 | RPG_ | FC3 |
| 04:13.06 | RPG_ | read-only |
| 04:13.11 | JeffM2501 | readonly is easyer the r/w |
| 04:13.32 | RPG_ | definately |
| 04:13.34 | JeffM2501 | jpa-, there are none of those here |
| 04:13.39 | orange | nwhoa, teams |
| 04:13.42 | orange | nwow |
| 04:13.49 | jpa- | JeffM2501: ssh works :P |
| 04:13.50 | orange | oops :-) |
| 04:13.59 | jpa- | -> school |
| 04:14.09 | JeffM2501 | jpa-, don't have access to my router to open the port |
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| 08:23.41 | ARandomBullet | hi all |
| 08:24.38 | ARandomBullet | hi! |
| 08:25.01 | ARandomBullet | any one here who recognise me or recognised by me? |
| 08:40.14 | brlcad | `hmph |
| 08:40.22 | brlcad | musta been a random bullet |
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| 09:12.40 | Mayhem | New tank model prototypes: http://www.awbunker.com/paperwork.shtml |
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| 10:04.28 | Tupone | Erroneous, ping |
| 10:04.56 | _Manu_ | Error: ping Erroneous :) |
| 10:05.26 | Tupone | hmm cross modulation ? |
| 10:05.34 | _Manu_ | :) |
| 10:05.52 | _Manu_ | he is idling 27 hours.. :/ |
| 10:06.12 | Tupone | I heard windows is broken :/ |
| 10:06.23 | Tupone | need someone to fix it |
| 10:06.31 | _Manu_ | that's not new :) |
| 10:07.17 | Tupone | I was able to generate it with mingw from linux. My guess is that some project file need fixes |
| 10:08.18 | _Manu_ | I usually don't use windows :/ only for testing some cross compiling |
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| 10:49.10 | Tupone | hi SportChick |
| 10:49.39 | SportChick | hiya tupone |
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| 11:51.11 | Tupone | blast ping |
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| 13:44.27 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jujibo * 10bzflag/man/bzfs.6.in: Added /kill command to the manpage and updated /ban |
| 13:51.58 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jujibo * 10bzflag/ChangeLog: Update Changelog for ban admin bug fix |
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| 13:57.55 | lvlinux | Why isn't there a precompiled bzflag 2.x for SGI IRIX? |
| 14:01.22 | brlcad | lvlinux: because nobody (i.e. I) haven't gotten around to making one, and there hasn't been a request for it |
| 14:06.26 | Grumbler | ~fishslap brlcad for not meeting the needs of the small masses |
| 14:06.27 | ibot | ACTION slaps brlcad up side the head with a wet fish for not meeting the needs of the small masses |
| 14:07.31 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jujibo * 10bzflag/man/bzfs.6.in: Added /sendhelp command to the man page |
| 14:09.55 | _Manu_ | brlcad, now there is one ;) |
| 14:40.56 | Grumbler | http://digg.com/technology/MIT_Building_54_Turned_Into_A_Giant_Speaker |
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| 15:28.57 | Tupone | hi menotume |
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| 15:42.21 | menotume | Tupone: good morning :) |
| 15:42.34 | Tupone | UGT ? |
| 15:43.33 | menotume | heh |
| 15:43.41 | menotume | yes, and my local time too :) |
| 15:43.55 | Tupone | :) |
| 15:44.22 | Tupone | anything to fix on man pages ? I want to ship it |
| 15:45.04 | Tupone | or whatelse is written in the bottom of DEVINFO |
| 15:58.23 | _Manu_ | I fixed some, but dunno if I missed something |
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| 16:33.14 | christof83 | is there any documentation on things like role of bzfs and what it actually does other than in the source code documentation? |
| 16:35.12 | _Manu_ | http://bzflag.org/ - http://bzflag.org/wiki/ |
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| 16:37.01 | Tupone | JeffM2501 |
| 16:37.33 | Tupone | looks you find some problem building windows |
| 16:38.26 | JeffM2501 | yeah windows is busted |
| 16:38.37 | JeffM2501 | with curses |
| 16:38.51 | JeffM2501 | or I should say curses is busted |
| 16:39.01 | JeffM2501 | since they conflict with the standard windows headers |
| 16:39.16 | JeffM2501 | and we are using it in an odd way where we somehow include both |
| 16:39.22 | Tupone | ahh we could build without it, unless people actually use bzadmin on windows |
| 16:39.25 | JeffM2501 | thanks to Wwinsock |
| 16:39.38 | Tupone | and need curses |
| 16:39.46 | JeffM2501 | well we just started trying curses, and they asked for curses |
| 16:39.51 | JeffM2501 | I will look into it today |
| 16:40.00 | Tupone | ah ok, thanks |
| 16:40.07 | JeffM2501 | probably be able to get away with ether an older version of the lib, or a #undef |
| 16:40.52 | JeffM2501 | they use a #def for MOUSE_MOVED |
| 16:41.00 | JeffM2501 | and so does windows |
| 16:43.30 | Chestal | evil macros |
| 16:43.38 | JeffM2501 | this is true |
| 16:44.11 | JeffM2501 | but no namespaces in C |
| 16:44.17 | Chestal | yes, macros really need a pseudo namespace, like CURSES_MOUSE_MOVED or something |
| 16:44.39 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 16:44.48 | JeffM2501 | WIN32_MOUSE_MOVED |
| 16:45.10 | JeffM2501 | but that would break compatability with windows 3.0... |
| 16:45.13 | Chestal | X also has its share of insane macros |
| 16:45.20 | JeffM2501 | and you know that woudl mean the end of western civ. |
| 16:45.21 | Chestal | #define None 0L - yikes |
| 16:47.21 | JeffM2501 | tis the world we live in |
| 16:50.49 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, I have some real work to do today, then I'll look into it |
| 16:50.59 | Tupone | ok, np |
| 16:55.04 | christof83 | is there any documentation on things like role of bzfs and what it actually does other than in the source code documentation? |
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| 16:56.01 | JeffM2501 | there is a man page |
| 16:56.07 | JeffM2501 | but mostly it's the code |
| 16:56.47 | Tupone | christof83, look at http://bzflag.org/ - http://bzflag.org/wiki/ |
| 16:56.55 | JeffM2501 | what did you need to know? |
| 16:57.23 | JeffM2501 | at present bzfs does message routing, spawns, and team scores, as well as kick, ban, and poll type things |
| 16:57.37 | JeffM2501 | it dosnt' do shot detection, collisons, or stuff like that |
| 16:57.41 | christof83 | Well, i'm just researching distributed network games |
| 16:57.57 | JeffM2501 | bzflag is not a good example of one :) |
| 16:58.07 | JeffM2501 | distributed? |
| 16:58.14 | christof83 | well, that's what i'm supposed to fix |
| 16:58.36 | JeffM2501 | as in make centeral? |
| 16:58.40 | JeffM2501 | or make distributed? |
| 16:58.50 | christof83 | my professor and i are interested in making a massively multiplayer version |
| 16:58.56 | christof83 | distributed |
| 16:59.00 | JeffM2501 | ewww |
| 16:59.03 | christof83 | yeah i know |
| 16:59.04 | JeffM2501 | cheat fest amundia |
| 16:59.05 | Tupone | massively ?? |
| 16:59.12 | JeffM2501 | how "masive" are you looking? |
| 16:59.13 | christof83 | its just a proof of concept |
| 16:59.22 | christof83 | like thousands |
| 16:59.33 | JeffM2501 | you should look into continum |
| 16:59.40 | christof83 | what's that? |
| 16:59.54 | JeffM2501 | a masivly multiplayer shooter |
| 16:59.57 | Tupone | look at Runescape then. Not open source :( |
| 16:59.58 | JeffM2501 | top down 2d |
| 17:00.08 | christof83 | is it DR based? |
| 17:00.12 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 17:00.15 | christof83 | and open source? |
| 17:00.18 | JeffM2501 | ish |
| 17:00.52 | JeffM2501 | servers and clients were reverse engenered from the origonal comercial one |
| 17:00.58 | JeffM2501 | I bleive some of them are open |
| 17:01.09 | christof83 | oh |
| 17:01.22 | JeffM2501 | but I know of no gaming system that lets people have 1000's of players in the same interactive area |
| 17:01.27 | JeffM2501 | even the big MMORPGs |
| 17:01.35 | JeffM2501 | most do instantaces or zones |
| 17:01.45 | jpa- | with bzflag's evil bad code i don't think it would run with 1000 players very fine :) |
| 17:01.52 | JeffM2501 | it it would not |
| 17:02.05 | christof83 | well we're looking into breaking it up into sections |
| 17:02.25 | JeffM2501 | even wow, that is zoneless, dosn't get more then 2-3k players at a time |
| 17:02.27 | christof83 | so , you're only getting information for people close to you |
| 17:02.28 | jpa- | teleport to another server might be quite nice :) |
| 17:02.44 | JeffM2501 | christof83, what is to prevent them all from going near you? |
| 17:02.52 | christof83 | well, that is a problem |
| 17:03.02 | JeffM2501 | that's the core problem with the zoneless games today |
| 17:03.07 | JeffM2501 | get wow |
| 17:03.10 | JeffM2501 | got to an auction house |
| 17:03.20 | JeffM2501 | the zone/instance thing is much more playable |
| 17:03.37 | christof83 | what do you mean by that? |
| 17:04.06 | JeffM2501 | by what? |
| 17:04.14 | christof83 | zone/instance in wow |
| 17:04.24 | JeffM2501 | there are no zone/instances in wow |
| 17:04.32 | JeffM2501 | I meant other games that do zones and instances |
| 17:04.32 | christof83 | so what does it do? |
| 17:04.35 | JeffM2501 | like Eq2 |
| 17:04.42 | JeffM2501 | or CoH |
| 17:04.58 | JeffM2501 | in CoH, they spawn another instance of a zone when one gets near a limit |
| 17:05.07 | JeffM2501 | and start shunting people there |
| 17:05.29 | JeffM2501 | same in GuildWars |
| 17:05.35 | JeffM2501 | you have researched the comerial ways of doing it all right? |
| 17:05.44 | christof83 | where did you get this information. that's been our problem, getting information on currently used techniques in closed games |
| 17:05.51 | JeffM2501 | I play the games |
| 17:05.56 | christof83 | oh |
| 17:05.58 | JeffM2501 | and read trade mags and stuff |
| 17:06.05 | JeffM2501 | gaming gems |
| 17:06.09 | JeffM2501 | gamasutra |
| 17:06.15 | christof83 | which game gems? |
| 17:06.17 | JeffM2501 | the GDC stuff |
| 17:06.19 | JeffM2501 | all of them |
| 17:07.15 | JeffM2501 | jpa-, it's been thought of many times |
| 17:07.23 | jpa- | i'm sure it has :) |
| 17:07.28 | JeffM2501 | the problem lies i geting your FPS and RTS people to actualy DO what you order :) |
| 17:07.51 | jpa- | :) |
| 17:08.07 | JeffM2501 | "take that base"... "screw you sir, we want to rocket jump and play CTF" |
| 17:08.19 | JeffM2501 | I put a lot of thought into it |
| 17:08.31 | JeffM2501 | OpenCombat was/is to have an element of that |
| 17:08.48 | jpa- | we need a USB-machinegun to kill them if they don't obey |
| 17:08.50 | JeffM2501 | where ther is a base that is run RTS style by a comander, and provides services to the FPS units |
| 17:08.56 | christof83 | our main goal is to come up with a mobile architecture for massively multiplayer DR games |
| 17:09.11 | JeffM2501 | so if they don't help it, they loose in game services, like ammo, heath, and repair |
| 17:09.59 | JeffM2501 | christof83, a nobile goal, the comercial sector has been doing this for years, that would be the best place to start research |
| 17:10.09 | JeffM2501 | you've read all the stuff on gamasutra? |
| 17:10.19 | christof83 | not yet |
| 17:10.25 | JeffM2501 | best place to start |
| 17:10.37 | JeffM2501 | then you can see all the things everyone has allready tried |
| 17:10.42 | JeffM2501 | bzflag is a VERY poor example |
| 17:10.44 | JeffM2501 | it is a lan game |
| 17:10.50 | JeffM2501 | it's just been shoved into the net |
| 17:11.10 | JeffM2501 | it may be a great target for improvment, but you shoudl look at what has been done in the ream first |
| 17:11.17 | JeffM2501 | what books have you read on it? |
| 17:11.38 | christof83 | well, i wanted to just improve the OpenTNL api, but its so poorly maintained that i cant get it to compile anymore |
| 17:12.10 | christof83 | not many (any). What books would you suggest? |
| 17:12.10 | JeffM2501 | I'd not start with what software you want to change |
| 17:12.18 | JeffM2501 | but with what concepts you want to improve or implement |
| 17:12.25 | JeffM2501 | openTNL is just a simple transport |
| 17:12.57 | JeffM2501 | Networked Virtual Environments: Design and Implementation |
| 17:13.00 | JeffM2501 | was a good one |
| 17:13.04 | JeffM2501 | if not a little old |
| 17:13.14 | JeffM2501 | it at least covers the basic problems of large scale networking |
| 17:13.35 | JeffM2501 | most of the gaming gems have some deals with networks |
| 17:13.41 | JeffM2501 | there is much on it on gamasutra |
| 17:13.46 | JeffM2501 | and in the GDC procedings |
| 17:14.12 | JeffM2501 | the GDC stuff is going to have your more modern and expermiental stuff |
| 17:14.31 | christof83 | ok |
| 17:14.58 | JeffM2501 | then I'd think you'd go over what the problems with all the systems are, what can be done to fix/minimse them |
| 17:15.12 | JeffM2501 | then layout your optimal system, just on paper ( since it's so very complex ) |
| 17:15.20 | JeffM2501 | and THEN wory about what to implement iti n |
| 17:15.40 | christof83 | wish i could tell that to my professor |
| 17:15.43 | JeffM2501 | since the point of the research is more of the concept then the actual code |
| 17:15.53 | JeffM2501 | you are doing a paper on this? |
| 17:15.58 | christof83 | my thesis |
| 17:16.02 | christof83 | eventually |
| 17:16.11 | christof83 | Do you remember Hemant Banavar? |
| 17:16.13 | JeffM2501 | yeah then your thesis should not really have any code in it |
| 17:16.22 | JeffM2501 | since it should be language independent |
| 17:16.33 | JeffM2501 | I do not know who that is |
| 17:16.55 | christof83 | he worked with someone on the DR accuracy issues |
| 17:17.02 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 17:17.28 | christof83 | i think it was sean |
| 17:17.33 | JeffM2501 | probably |
| 17:17.47 | JeffM2501 | they did some stuff with timestamps that helped out |
| 17:18.13 | christof83 | yeah, i've taken hemant's desk. he works for microsoft now |
| 17:18.21 | JeffM2501 | fun |
| 17:19.08 | JeffM2501 | if I was gonna make bzflag more masive, I'd rip the entire simulation system, replace it with something that was server authenticated, and make the server be able to work in a network of servers |
| 17:19.19 | JeffM2501 | first rule of the interent, never trust a client |
| 17:19.21 | JeffM2501 | EVER |
| 17:20.22 | christof83 | Yeah, that's why i was wondering what the bzflag server actually does |
| 17:20.35 | JeffM2501 | I think one of my writeups was even used in that guys paper |
| 17:20.39 | orange | trepan: what was that local setting for observer motion dampening? |
| 17:20.40 | JeffM2501 | wonder where it went :) |
| 17:20.56 | JeffM2501 | christof83, for most gameplay, it just shuffles messages |
| 17:21.04 | JeffM2501 | and it is the bane of gameplay now |
| 17:21.10 | JeffM2501 | since basicly it's REALY easy to cheat |
| 17:21.24 | JeffM2501 | it does a little bit of data verification but not as much as it should/could |
| 17:21.42 | JeffM2501 | hit detection is distributed and it's not good |
| 17:21.55 | JeffM2501 | basicly every client is responsible to say when he dies |
| 17:22.13 | JeffM2501 | so to not die, just mod your client to not send back a "i died" message |
| 17:22.30 | christof83 | i see |
| 17:23.04 | christof83 | is gamasutra just news? |
| 17:23.11 | JeffM2501 | no no |
| 17:23.14 | JeffM2501 | has many articles |
| 17:23.18 | JeffM2501 | sign up |
| 17:23.19 | christof83 | i cant find regular articles |
| 17:23.21 | christof83 | i have |
| 17:23.37 | christof83 | it just has searching for "news text" |
| 17:23.50 | JeffM2501 | button |
| 17:23.53 | JeffM2501 | says "features" |
| 17:24.03 | JeffM2501 | then a list of latest articles |
| 17:24.06 | JeffM2501 | and featured topics |
| 17:24.10 | JeffM2501 | columns |
| 17:24.11 | christof83 | oh i see |
| 17:24.21 | christof83 | thank you, i've been looking for that |
| 17:24.54 | JeffM2501 | the problem with totaly distributed systems is, who verifys the data? |
| 17:25.11 | JeffM2501 | if you have peers verify it, then your shucking around all kinds of data to do that |
| 17:25.17 | JeffM2501 | and it's not really a win |
| 17:25.43 | JeffM2501 | and with open source, you have to asume that anything you do on the clients can and will be modified |
| 17:26.03 | christof83 | well, i didnt really mean totally distributed. We're looking for a proxy system |
| 17:26.04 | JeffM2501 | that's why all modern games use a server or network of servers |
| 17:26.08 | JeffM2501 | proxy? |
| 17:26.20 | JeffM2501 | 'splain |
| 17:26.35 | christof83 | where the servers are located at PDSNs on the cell network |
| 17:26.52 | orange | I am sure it was proposed before, but once I theorized a way that you could help look for cheats even in a client verification system like bzflag. Just have other clients apply the same hit detection logic to other players at random, and send back 'votes' when they think something is wrong. Enough votes, and someone is cheating. |
| 17:27.02 | christof83 | currently were saying that the servers manage certain portions of the virtual space |
| 17:27.41 | JeffM2501 | orange, can't work , the gamestate the other clients have is not exactly the same as the one the client in queastion has, because the states are all latent and not 100% accurately timestamped |
| 17:27.42 | jpa- | orange: while 1: vote( kick( 'orange' ) ); :) |
| 17:27.52 | JeffM2501 | christof83, that's a zone system |
| 17:27.59 | Chestal | orange: this would need a good analysis on what strangeness might be caused by lag and which not. This analysis has not been done |
| 17:28.04 | christof83 | yeah, a grid filtering system |
| 17:28.05 | JeffM2501 | where when you move from one zone to another you change servers |
| 17:28.14 | JeffM2501 | most mastivly multis do that |
| 17:28.15 | orange | it would have to be given some looseness to account for lag |
| 17:28.33 | JeffM2501 | orange, why not just have the server do it since it has a consistnt gamestate? |
| 17:28.49 | orange | the concern brought up with that before was CPU |
| 17:28.58 | orange | it was the only reason I proposed the distributed checks |
| 17:29.00 | Chestal | CPU is not the problem |
| 17:29.04 | JeffM2501 | it would use no more CPU then bzflag would for it |
| 17:29.14 | orange | bzflag * number of players |
| 17:29.17 | Chestal | unless tank/world collisions eat up a lot of time |
| 17:29.19 | JeffM2501 | 99% of bzflags CPU is spend drawing |
| 17:29.28 | JeffM2501 | they don't we profiled it |
| 17:29.28 | Chestal | it changes gameplay, though |
| 17:29.53 | christof83 | JeffM2501, since ours is in the mobile environment, it is doing some extra stuff with mobile phone handoffs and other techniques to compensate for latency |
| 17:29.55 | orange | changing gameplay from the current "take advantage of lag" is not a bad thing |
| 17:29.59 | Chestal | IMHO it will be hard to make the server authorative and still provide a good playing experience |
| 17:30.07 | JeffM2501 | christof83, oh good lord, on a phone.... |
| 17:30.19 | JeffM2501 | yeah your client latency is just gonna suck ass |
| 17:30.29 | JeffM2501 | have you ever made software for a phone |
| 17:30.32 | christof83 | well, were not saying we want to play bzflag on a phone persay |
| 17:30.42 | christof83 | no |
| 17:30.52 | JeffM2501 | Chestal, It will be difrent then we have now, but can be very fun. quake an others do the same thing |
| 17:30.55 | christof83 | i dont really intend on doing it anytime soon either |
| 17:30.56 | Chestal | orange: but the change will mean that you will explode although from your local point of view you dodged bullets |
| 17:30.59 | Chestal | you cannot have it both |
| 17:31.24 | JeffM2501 | Chestal, there are ways to minimise that |
| 17:31.43 | JeffM2501 | perhaps you shoudl do the same reserch christof83 is doing on what is out there for games ;) |
| 17:31.55 | Chestal | I am too lazy for that :-) |
| 17:32.10 | JeffM2501 | quake, UT, all those do an authortive server |
| 17:32.29 | JeffM2501 | tho with the bzflag one hit one kill thing that does make extreme cases more possible |
| 17:32.33 | Chestal | someone could write a prototype |
| 17:32.35 | JeffM2501 | but I don't think it's imposible |
| 17:32.39 | Chestal | 2D is enough, no obstacles needed |
| 17:32.41 | JeffM2501 | Chestal, yes somone could |
| 17:32.45 | Chestal | just steering like in bz |
| 17:32.47 | JeffM2501 | somone is trying to |
| 17:32.50 | Chestal | drive and shoot, that's all |
| 17:32.54 | JeffM2501 | but somone keeps having to do real work |
| 17:33.02 | JeffM2501 | and can't get TNL to work at all |
| 17:33.17 | JeffM2501 | so somone is reading the docs on raknet |
| 17:33.29 | JeffM2501 | but somone also keeps geting asked stuff on plugins |
| 17:34.12 | JeffM2501 | not that I'm naming names :) |
| 17:34.26 | Chestal | it would be worthwhile to have a metric to judge quality of lag handling so you could tell if the system works well without play testing |
| 17:34.53 | Chestal | the simple 'theoretical real pos' - shown pos is not it |
| 17:35.10 | Chestal | which was used in that one bzflag dead reckoning paper I read |
| 17:35.34 | Chestal | ultimately it must be tested by playing the game nonetheless, however |
| 17:35.42 | JeffM2501 | I think you just want a 2d bzflag :) |
| 17:35.54 | orange | no jumping, yay :-) |
| 17:36.01 | christof83 | JeffM2501, you cant get TNL to work either? |
| 17:36.10 | JeffM2501 | I got it to compile |
| 17:36.14 | JeffM2501 | it crashes like a pig |
| 17:36.18 | christof83 | oh |
| 17:36.20 | Chestal | well, for testing networking/lag handling/etc. a simplification to 2D shouldn't really maek a difference to the concepts |
| 17:36.29 | JeffM2501 | Chestal, no not at all |
| 17:36.39 | JeffM2501 | on this I agree |
| 17:37.03 | Chestal | make it work good in a simplified case first |
| 17:37.22 | JeffM2501 | christof83, so I'm looking into raknet now |
| 17:37.29 | JeffM2501 | offers some of the same stuff |
| 17:37.37 | JeffM2501 | abstraction, compresson, stuff like that |
| 17:37.45 | JeffM2501 | relyable UDP |
| 17:37.58 | Chestal | that's called TCP ;-) |
| 17:38.18 | JeffM2501 | it works in a way similar to TCP, but a bit more streamlined |
| 17:38.29 | JeffM2501 | suposed to be a bit faster |
| 17:38.43 | orange | trepan: nevermind, found it, roamSmoothTime, but you have to hit 'a' too |
| 17:39.30 | christof83 | is it open? |
| 17:39.46 | JeffM2501 | christof83, yeah |
| 17:39.55 | Chestal | christof: what kind of thesis is it going to be? |
| 17:39.57 | JeffM2501 | for free software it's GPL |
| 17:40.03 | JeffM2501 | they have more then one license |
| 17:40.21 | JeffM2501 | http://www.rakkarsoft.com |
| 17:40.46 | christof83 | Chestal, what do you mean |
| 17:41.02 | Chestal | christof83: how much time do you plan to spend on it? |
| 17:41.05 | christof83 | oh |
| 17:41.07 | christof83 | a year |
| 17:41.25 | christof83 | hopefully done by july |
| 17:42.12 | Chestal | IMHO it would be great to have a formalization of the (simplified) problem. But as I said before, I have no clue about what research has been done in this area, maybe it is all out there already |
| 17:42.27 | christof83 | JeffM2501, does it have a testing suite like TNL? |
| 17:42.41 | JeffM2501 | it comes with a lot of samples |
| 17:42.51 | JeffM2501 | but it's not like a TNL replacement |
| 17:43.02 | JeffM2501 | look at it and see |
| 17:43.13 | JeffM2501 | I am more concerned about API and buildability on difrent systems |
| 17:43.46 | JeffM2501 | testing of the the network transport layer is not really important, testing of the app, logic and protocll is more important |
| 17:43.56 | JeffM2501 | all this does is transport |
| 17:44.08 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't do anything to do like spacial filtering or anything |
| 17:45.11 | JeffM2501 | TNL did a lot more IIRC |
| 17:45.30 | JeffM2501 | I just hated it's api, and when it crashes, I'm like 'well done with you' |
| 17:46.47 | christof83 | It looks a lot more maintained than TNL |
| 17:47.25 | JeffM2501 | I'm probably going to replace it's build system, so maintance isn't something I need |
| 17:47.31 | JeffM2501 | we did the same with TNL |
| 17:47.37 | JeffM2501 | had to mod it to make it build |
| 17:47.44 | JeffM2501 | so it became part of our tree |
| 17:48.00 | JeffM2501 | but then we also used the glory that was scons |
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| 18:07.38 | Tupone | JeffM2501: where did you get curses sources for windows? is that pdcurses? |
| 18:08.03 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:08.14 | JeffM2501 | from the pdcurses sf page |
| 18:08.21 | JeffM2501 | not the gnu one |
| 18:11.16 | Tupone | trying to see if I can build it |
| 18:11.29 | JeffM2501 | umm ok |
| 18:11.33 | JeffM2501 | but why? |
| 18:12.01 | Tupone | just to see what kind of error I got, and to update building with mingw |
| 18:12.15 | JeffM2501 | does mingw include windows.h? |
| 18:12.26 | Tupone | dunno, I guess so |
| 18:12.46 | Tupone | otherwise how can it be compatible |
| 18:12.51 | JeffM2501 | I am using 2.5 curses from here |
| 18:12.52 | JeffM2501 | http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=30480 |
| 18:13.14 | Tupone | I was doing 2.6, but is ok with 2.5 |
| 18:13.29 | JeffM2501 | there is no VC build for 2.6 |
| 18:13.55 | Tupone | ahh that is the reason :) I stopped the dl, going for 2.5 |
| 18:14.26 | JeffM2501 | checking debug build now to make sure that curses is the only problem |
| 18:14.43 | JeffM2501 | I just finished my VMM at work so I can loot at it a bit now |
| 18:14.58 | Tupone | if you have Real Work (TM) to do now, don't waste time |
| 18:15.05 | JeffM2501 | just did the real work |
| 18:15.08 | JeffM2501 | it's done and sent off |
| 18:15.14 | Tupone | ok |
| 18:15.16 | JeffM2501 | VMMs are easy |
| 18:15.19 | JeffM2501 | just booring |
| 18:21.11 | blast007 | hmm...I built 2.6 with VC |
| 18:21.55 | blast007 | oh, nvm |
| 18:22.50 | blast007 | no prebuild 2.6 :) |
| 18:24.12 | Tupone | and that works with bzflag ? |
| 18:24.12 | blast007 | I was getting link errors, but I might just have done something wrong |
| 18:26.03 | JeffM2501 | blast007, no it's not you |
| 18:26.10 | blast007 | k |
| 18:26.30 | blast007 | same issue with 2.5? |
| 18:26.40 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:26.44 | JeffM2501 | I'm working on it |
| 18:26.47 | JeffM2501 | debug works |
| 18:26.51 | blast007 | ah |
| 18:29.43 | blast007 | that will be sweet when it works :) |
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| 18:55.04 | Tupone | PDCurses does not have files for compilation under a MinGW environment :( And I don't want to waste time on it |
| 18:57.10 | JeffM2501 | well found the problem with the linker |
| 18:57.12 | JeffM2501 | fixing that now |
| 18:57.30 | JeffM2501 | then it'll be a small #undef to fix the other since it's just a warning |
| 18:58.15 | JeffM2501 | I do get to yell at Erroneous tho |
| 18:58.20 | JeffM2501 | and that will make my day :) |
| 18:59.05 | Tupone | lol |
| 18:59.13 | JeffM2501 | I don't think curses was ever intended to be used where windows.h was |
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| 19:00.14 | Tupone | ~seen Erroneous |
| 19:00.30 | ibot | erroneous is currently on #bzflag (2d 13h 16m 6s) #brlcad (2d 13h 16m 6s). Has said a total of 20 messages. Is idling for 1d 21h 49m 22s |
| 19:04.04 | brlcad | christof83: I actually implemented the locality culling that you mentioned, it definitely does help and would allow the maps to scale massively. but, as was noted, there's nothing to prevent everyone from running to the same locality and there are culling problems to consider with teleportation. you can handle teleportation, but it requires a lot more dr work to resolve visual discontinuities |
| 19:04.12 | JeffM2501 | it's building now wiht my changes, I'll check it when I get back |
| 19:04.17 | JeffM2501 | I think I've got it all set |
| 19:04.20 | JeffM2501 | but it's lunch time |
| 19:05.36 | brlcad | christof83: when I did some networking tests, it did, however flatten bz's exponential net usage with even very distant culling and lazy updates of distant players. still that only pushes your single map limit up from 20 players to 100 players, not 1000 |
| 19:10.36 | Tupone | brlcad: do you think we can default to use system regex? I remember you fear some bug on the libc |
| 19:11.17 | brlcad | something like the spread networking infrastructure would allow you to grid together a network of bzfs servers that transparently persist state throughout the network. that could get you into the thousands of players easily, presuming you have some means to work around the single-server-all-players-rush-a-location problem |
| 19:12.04 | brlcad | Tupone: when that was first added way back when, it is supposed to be using the system regex. it should only use our regex if a functioning system regex is not detected by configure. |
| 19:12.15 | brlcad | shouldn't be an on or off question, it's supposed to be detected |
| 19:12.39 | Tupone | it seems it does not use system one unless I configure with --without-regex |
| 19:12.57 | brlcad | that means the tests are not right or the logic isn't right |
| 19:13.16 | brlcad | it's been so long since I looked at that |
| 19:13.40 | brlcad | i have the correct checks/logic in brl-cad is all I know now :) |
| 19:14.08 | Tupone | I fixed sometime ago our regex file, and I renamed , otherwise we get some conflict |
| 19:14.16 | Tupone | I meant regex.h |
| 19:15.44 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/m4/curses.m4: removed sdl and curl m4 macro from here |
| 19:17.29 | Tupone | menotume: you here ? |
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| 19:18.40 | brlcad | I don't think we'll have the same conflict problems with libtool. A binary's dependencies are properly configured to take precedence over system search dirs. |
| 19:19.07 | brlcad | I effectively use the same regex lib with no problems |
| 19:19.16 | brlcad | and don't need to rename |
| 19:19.28 | Tupone | problem was with included file |
| 19:19.33 | brlcad | it gets configured and auto-detected perfectly so far |
| 19:19.52 | brlcad | right, the inclusion of "regex.h", yes? |
| 19:20.03 | Tupone | if I configured --without-regex it still get our regex.h |
| 19:20.09 | Tupone | s/get/got/ |
| 19:20.24 | brlcad | ah, hmm |
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| 19:21.10 | brlcad | that begs two questions.. what's the conflict, and why :) |
| 19:21.13 | Tupone | that was before, the I renamed to bzregex.h |
| 19:21.29 | brlcad | i remember |
| 19:21.41 | Tupone | our header was inconsistent with libc implementation |
| 19:21.53 | brlcad | that might still be taken care of now, libtool does the search pathing (at least it should be allowed to) |
| 19:21.53 | Tupone | mine :) |
| 19:22.14 | Tupone | i think is the compiler, not libtool |
| 19:22.29 | brlcad | libtool invokes the compiler |
| 19:22.36 | brlcad | even for .o products |
| 19:22.55 | Tupone | it need some .h in bzflag/include and some in system include |
| 19:23.01 | brlcad | passing whatever options are supposedly necessary |
| 19:23.22 | Tupone | I don't think you can specify the priority for any include file |
| 19:24.01 | Tupone | priority mean which file are to be chosen if is in multiple directory |
| 19:24.01 | brlcad | you can specify the search path ordering, and the difference between <> and "" |
| 19:24.44 | brlcad | point being is that it should be possible, I've been using it for many months in brl-cad with no issues across a lot more platforms than bz supports |
| 19:24.57 | brlcad | without needing to rename the header |
| 19:25.06 | Tupone | unless you remove the system include search you cannot. Perhaps libtool specify the entire search patch for include |
| 19:25.21 | Tupone | even the system headers dir |
| 19:25.25 | brlcad | still, what exactly was the conflict? |
| 19:26.25 | Tupone | a link problem |
| 19:27.14 | brlcad | linking? that doesn't have anything to do with the header then unless you mean some struct element missing or something |
| 19:27.57 | Tupone | it has to do with the header, could be some function is actually a macro |
| 19:28.12 | Tupone | that refer to a name on libc |
| 19:31.06 | Tupone | I'm wasting some CPU to recreate the problem :( |
| 19:31.11 | brlcad | possibly.. |
| 19:31.35 | brlcad | I don't doubt that the configure checks need improvement |
| 19:31.56 | brlcad | and could probably "move regex.h out of the way" if a suitable system regex seems to be working |
| 19:32.36 | brlcad | if only to prevent having #if blocks to pick headers |
| 19:33.07 | Tupone | I don't get how brl-cad works. Possibly you have non conflicting header |
| 19:33.54 | Tupone | I mean .. if a system header exists, is like your own |
| 19:34.01 | brlcad | shouldn't be very different from bz's, bz's started out from brl's from a year or two ago |
| 19:34.34 | Tupone | and you are sure he is getting system regex ? |
| 19:35.38 | brlcad | depends on the system, but yes, it compiles and functions |
| 19:36.22 | brlcad | mmmm.. yum |
| 19:36.47 | brlcad | cept last bottle of shiraz I had had dark bits of wine at the bottom |
| 19:36.54 | brlcad | i think it'd aged a bit |
| 19:37.12 | brlcad | it was.. rather strong (but very good) |
| 19:37.26 | Tupone | this is Australian wine bottled in Italy. Don't trust much :/ |
| 19:37.34 | Grumbler | yellow tail? ie, the cheap, but good stuff? |
| 19:38.55 | Grumbler | www.galkire.net/sail .......grumbler goes sailing |
| 19:40.11 | _Manu_ | Tupone, you drinking australian wind in Italy? heh :) |
| 19:40.18 | _Manu_ | s/wind/wine |
| 19:40.24 | Tupone | just testing the taste |
| 19:40.40 | Grumbler | austrailia has some excellent shiraz |
| 19:40.45 | Tupone | we too produce Shyraz |
| 19:41.02 | _Manu_ | and kangooroes.. :) |
| 19:41.27 | Tupone | and a lot of other good wine like brunello ( 470 Euro x bottle at restaurant :( ) |
| 19:41.36 | _Manu_ | s/kangooroes/kangarooes :( |
| 19:42.41 | Grumbler | heh..... |
| 19:42.44 | _Manu_ | Tupone, pecata minuta :) |
| 19:43.10 | Grumbler | i dont trust italian wines.....too many bent noses involved in the bottling :) |
| 19:43.28 | Tupone | x es en pecata minuta |
| 19:43.41 | _Manu_ | heh |
| 19:44.14 | _Manu_ | try the ~ |
| 19:44.23 | Tupone | ~x es en pecata minuta |
| 19:44.25 | Tupone | lol |
| 19:44.39 | Tupone | :( |
| 19:44.40 | _Manu_ | lol |
| 19:48.00 | _Manu_ | Tupone, is like "una miseria" |
| 19:48.41 | Tupone | :) cheap wine |
| 19:48.53 | _Manu_ | yes.. pecata you know what it means.. |
| 19:48.59 | _Manu_ | small.. or tiny |
| 19:49.29 | _Manu_ | err.... minuta.. |
| 19:49.45 | Grumbler | there is no such thing as cheap wine.......just bad wine, and good wine..... :) |
| 19:51.09 | _Manu_ | or.. bad enology students.. heh |
| 19:51.31 | ToughShooter | _Manu_: What is the diff to pequeño? |
| 19:51.37 | _Manu_ | and what is your criteria for telling a wine is good or bad? ;) |
| 19:51.50 | _Manu_ | ToughShooter, ? |
| 19:52.08 | _Manu_ | pequeño = small grande = big |
| 19:53.37 | _Manu_ | what do you mean really? |
| 19:53.55 | ToughShooter | Didn't you said "pecata" would be small, too? |
| 19:54.07 | Grumbler | _Manu_, wine, much like women, there is a different one for every man, and sometimes more than one.......it is however bad form to have two in the same meal. a good wine mellows your heart and soothes your spirit, a bad wine drags you to the market and buy expensive shoes. :) |
| 19:54.18 | _Manu_ | yes.. is a spanish common sentence |
| 19:54.26 | _Manu_ | Grumbler, too slow ;) |
| 19:54.37 | Grumbler | heh |
| 19:55.03 | _Manu_ | minuta in spanish is the salary.. |
| 19:55.12 | Tupone | Grumbler: a cheap wine, is a wine that you get as a present |
| 19:55.13 | _Manu_ | well.. old spanish.. |
| 19:55.27 | Tupone | cheap for you :) |
| 19:55.32 | Grumbler | heh |
| 19:55.32 | _Manu_ | Grumbler, prev to drink is to pay ;) |
| 19:55.55 | _Manu_ | that's why there is expensive and cheap wines |
| 19:56.19 | Grumbler | maybe we should have a wine tasting/sampling session at BZFlag Expo 2007 |
| 19:56.26 | _Manu_ | heh |
| 19:56.35 | _Manu_ | who knows |
| 19:56.44 | _Manu_ | :) |
| 19:56.44 | Tupone | 2007 ? 2 years to wait ? |
| 19:57.43 | Grumbler | Tupone, well we could move it up.....but we would need a bartender |
| 19:57.57 | Tupone | orchid ? |
| 19:58.56 | Tupone | if she 's not available we could met in Rome, to my brother club |
| 19:58.58 | Grumbler | hmmm, a canadian serving wine......is that legal? :) |
| 19:59.44 | ToughShooter | bah, who broke it? http://pastebin.com/362843 |
| 19:59.50 | Grumbler | aw heck....rome. sure. sounds good. can he handle a bunch of winos :) |
| 20:01.06 | Tupone | winOS ? |
| 20:01.21 | Grumbler | heh. |
| 20:01.23 | Tupone | we could, but not at linuXclub |
| 20:01.27 | Grumbler | ~dict wino |
| 20:01.34 | Tupone | vino :) |
| 20:01.52 | ToughShooter | It compiled yesterday morning, IIRC |
| 20:02.14 | Grumbler | ToughShooter, it compiled for me today(4 hours ago) |
| 20:02.29 | _Manu_ | Grumbler, perhaps.. vino? |
| 20:03.18 | Tupone | brlcad: you are right ... I remember badly - I hate you :) . Memory corruption run-time |
| 20:04.09 | _Manu_ | SDLMain.m ? that's ObjectiveC |
| 20:04.36 | _Manu_ | ToughShooter, what are you doing? :) |
| 20:04.47 | ToughShooter | Grumbler: It's somewhere in the MacOSX folder, I don't think it will be tried to compile the contents of that folder in Linux |
| 20:05.10 | ToughShooter | I wanted to build todays CVS sources |
| 20:05.44 | _Manu_ | look this line: -W -Wall -Wundef -Wstrict-prototypes -O3 -c SDLMain.m |
| 20:05.56 | Grumbler | http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/wino |
| 20:05.58 | _Manu_ | you tries to compile an ObjectiveC program |
| 20:06.04 | brlcad | Tupone: hehe, you're my hero |
| 20:06.17 | Tupone | :) |
| 20:06.23 | ToughShooter | The optimization setting was from my environment variable perhaps |
| 20:06.41 | ToughShooter | It's a fresh checkout of CVS |
| 20:06.42 | brlcad | i remember that corruption problem now too |
| 20:07.02 | _Manu_ | your computer is corrupted :) |
| 20:07.09 | ToughShooter | Waaaa |
| 20:07.38 | Tupone | Grumbler: I get it now :) |
| 20:07.50 | _Manu_ | he |
| 20:07.55 | ToughShooter | I hadn't installed or removed anything on my computer since the last successfull build |
| 20:08.50 | _Manu_ | a gnome inside your box? :) |
| 20:09.13 | ToughShooter | Rather a gnome staring to my box right now ;) |
| 20:09.25 | Tupone | ToughShooter: how many SDL.h you have ? |
| 20:10.34 | ToughShooter | Tupone: Do you mean in my include dir? |
| 20:10.57 | Tupone | in the system, could be you have in more then one place and he get the wrong one |
| 20:11.38 | ToughShooter | I have the framework one and an installation from source code |
| 20:12.14 | JeffM2501 | ahah, I found out why it's jacked, up, stupid static link |
| 20:12.35 | Tupone | you should get it from the installation source code. Could you temporary rename the framework one |
| 20:13.00 | Tupone | or the source code one |
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| 20:15.00 | JeffM2501 | blast007, did you build your pdcurses /MT or /MD ? |
| 20:17.28 | Tupone | brlcad: there is no check on regex. It is taken whatever is defined with --with-regex or --without-regex, with bzflag one used by default. Then if the selected is available, or not, there is a define for HAVE_REGEX |
| 20:17.38 | ToughShooter | I removed the framework and uninstalled the source code one and I'm now going to re-install the source one |
| 20:17.45 | brlcad | yeah, htat's no good :) |
| 20:18.27 | Tupone | can you copy/paste the good one ? :) |
| 20:23.34 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (18 files in 2 dirs): |
| 20:23.34 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: get windows standard release to build with pdcurses with out errors or warnings |
| 20:23.34 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: all release mode stuff is now linked dynamicly with the runtimes, not static like we used to. |
| 20:23.34 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: this means that we have to ship the VC Runtimes in the installer ( like we have been doing ) |
| 20:26.00 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/plugins/ (8 files in 8 dirs): update plugins to be MD not MT |
| 20:26.48 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/plugins/SAMPLE_PLUGIN/SAMPLE_PLUGIN.vcproj: update sample to be MD not MT |
| 20:28.11 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/package/win32/nsis/BZFlag.nsi: 2.0.4rc1 tag for installer |
| 20:30.06 | ToughShooter | Hmm, sdl 1.2.9 does not work: http://pastebin.com/362877 |
| 20:31.20 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, where'd you put your tarball? |
| 20:31.34 | Tupone | I have to redo that |
| 20:31.41 | JeffM2501 | umm ok |
| 20:31.43 | Tupone | you changed files |
| 20:31.49 | Tupone | and _Manu_ and I too |
| 20:32.01 | JeffM2501 | ok well I'm posting windows now |
| 20:32.09 | JeffM2501 | or do I need to wait? |
| 20:32.16 | JeffM2501 | the file I changed was a #def in windows only |
| 20:32.26 | JeffM2501 | but whatever |
| 20:32.58 | Tupone | just to be consistent. I'll take just few minute to retag and rebuild it |
| 20:33.08 | JeffM2501 | we can add your URL to the post when needed. |
| 20:35.34 | JeffM2501 | posted |
| 20:35.57 | JeffM2501 | oooo and it's now slightly smaller |
| 20:35.58 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 20:36.18 | JeffM2501 | 17 was 10.8 megs, rc1 is 10.6 megs :) |
| 20:36.48 | JeffM2501 | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=5225 |
| 20:36.50 | JeffM2501 | for any that care |
| 20:39.49 | Tupone | motd change to ad this ? |
| 20:40.04 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 20:40.07 | JeffM2501 | why not |
| 20:40.14 | JeffM2501 | it's what the MOTD is for right? :) |
| 20:42.32 | JeffM2501 | does somone want to try to make a debian dpkg? |
| 20:44.16 | Tupone | we should wait for the mighty one |
| 20:44.24 | JeffM2501 | umm why? |
| 20:44.51 | Tupone | she is the debian . Otherwise Tim |
| 20:45.17 | Tupone | I'm a debian dump |
| 20:45.20 | JeffM2501 | well lets botmailer |
| 20:45.23 | Tupone | dumb too |
| 20:45.45 | JeffM2501 | orchid, pingo paingo pongo |
| 20:46.25 | JeffM2501 | reminds me, wonder where that song is |
| 20:46.39 | Tupone | lol |
| 20:47.00 | JeffM2501 | probalby in her music folder |
| 20:47.28 | Tupone | I have 35 KB/sec to m.b.o. :( |
| 20:49.05 | Tupone | bzflag-2.0.4-rc1.tar.bz2 |
| 20:49.10 | Tupone | that is the name |
| 20:49.24 | JeffM2501 | add a post to the thread |
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| 20:56.08 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/ (6 files in 4 dirs): cleaning |
| 20:58.48 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/internet/irc/listbot/ (5 files in 3 dirs): irc for list server.... an idea ahead of its time.. sleep my friend... sleep |
| 21:01.10 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, what was that openGL font lib you were using? |
| 21:01.15 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/data/ (87 files in 2 dirs): no data for things that are unused |
| 21:01.22 | JeffM2501 | the one you expreimented with? |
| 21:01.36 | Tupone | fgtl or ftgl or an anagram |
| 21:02.02 | JeffM2501 | this one? |
| 21:02.03 | JeffM2501 | http://gltt.sourceforge.net/20011027_000000.html |
| 21:02.33 | Tupone | gltt is the old one |
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| 21:02.42 | Tupone | ftgl is the new one |
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| 21:02.59 | Tupone | http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/henryj/code/index.html#FTGL |
| 21:03.32 | Tupone | if performace are good, this is the one :) |
| 21:05.03 | JeffM2501 | I'm not going to put it in bzflag |
| 21:05.07 | JeffM2501 | just want to see what it does |
| 21:05.11 | JeffM2501 | thank you |
| 21:06.37 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/ (data/logo.png misc/art/logo.psd): add data for the things we WILL be using |
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| 21:12.43 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, is ftgl a lib that is a package on linuxes? or something you'd include or make them them download? |
| 21:13.25 | Tupone | don't remember :( |
| 21:13.32 | Tupone | have to see the patch in SF |
| 21:14.17 | JeffM2501 | just curious if you knew |
| 21:14.22 | JeffM2501 | freetype2 is a package right? |
| 21:15.11 | Tupone | yeah |
| 21:15.57 | Tupone | X normally depends on it |
| 21:16.02 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 21:16.40 | JeffM2501 | man it's so nice when lib buildters take the time to make VC projects :) |
| 21:17.17 | Tupone | FTGL, has I did, integrate inside bzflag, so is a source directory integrated with Makefile |
| 21:17.52 | JeffM2501 | FTGL dosn't have VC7 build stuff |
| 21:18.00 | JeffM2501 | but I can work it |
| 21:18.20 | JeffM2501 | ft2 was set all nice tho |
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| 22:07.01 | blast007 | JeffM2501: I didn't specify /MT or /MD when building pdcurses, just did an nmake with the makefile |
| 22:08.40 | RPG_ | On FC4, BZFlag's sound seems to be delayed. Also, when it plays, it doesn't play the entire sound file. I went into Audio Settings, and the "Audio Driver" field was blank. Do I need to put text in the "Audio Driver" field? |
| 22:09.01 | JeffM2501 | blast007, oh, nmake |
| 22:09.01 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 22:09.23 | Tupone | RPG_: try alsa |
| 22:09.35 | JeffM2501 | the core problems were that the lib just wasnt' included, and bzfs was /mt and pdcurses is /md |
| 22:09.47 | JeffM2501 | bzflag is now /md |
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| 22:12.14 | geoffrey | pimpinella, you there? |
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| 22:13.11 | RPG_ | crashed before it showed anything |
| 22:13.25 | RPG_ | brought the entire system down with it |
| 22:14.00 | RPG_ | trepan: what was the audio driver I should try? |
| 22:14.36 | blast007 | RPG_: did trying 'alsa' crash it? or hadn't you tried that yet? |
| 22:15.03 | RPG_ | I launched it in -window 800x600, and it brough tup the window, but then froze everything |
| 22:15.08 | RPG_ | the window was completely black |
| 22:15.13 | RPG_ | never displayed any menu |
| 22:15.37 | blast007 | -window -geometry 800x600 |
| 22:16.41 | Pimpinella | argh, a minute too late |
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| 22:21.06 | blast007 | RPG1: I take it that crashed too ;) |
| 22:21.06 | RPG1 | this whole idea of "Crash -> Restart -> Crash -> Restart" isn't too pleasing |
| 22:21.06 | RPG1 | with alsa, no sound happened |
| 22:21.39 | RPG1 | then I joined silvercat. Played for a few seconds. I turned on the animated treads. Rght then it crashed. |
| 22:22.05 | RPG1 | I havn't installed an external video card driver yet, because BZ ran with around 30 FPS |
| 22:27.03 | blast007 | backspace key in bzadmin doesn't seem to work |
| 22:27.57 | brad2901 | use the "delete" key :) |
| 22:28.08 | blast007 | yes, I know ;) |
| 22:28.23 | brad2901 | ok.. back to my hole |
| 22:28.28 | blast007 | lol |
| 22:29.08 | RPG1 | when my system boots up, grub only gives me 3 seconds until it boots linux. can you change that? |
| 22:29.30 | ChipX86 | yes |
| 22:30.51 | blast007 | apt-get install timemachine |
| 22:32.25 | menotume | /etc/grub.conf : change the 'timeout' line |
| 22:32.50 | blast007 | darn, my google abilities must be getting slow :) |
| 22:33.10 | menotume | heh, cat /etc/grub.conf worked for me |
| 22:33.18 | menotume | you may have to orun grub after that |
| 22:33.26 | menotume | dunn- i haven't used grub in a while |
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| 22:33.31 | JeffM2501 | I didn't when I changd the default |
| 22:33.39 | menotume | okies |
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| 22:34.08 | menotume | surprising that the bootloader can find /etc/grub.conf |
| 22:34.24 | JeffM2501 | since it hasn't loaded the boot yet :) |
| 22:34.34 | TD-Linux | Hey! I got VC 2005 to compile a plugin! |
| 22:34.46 | JeffM2501 | umm great |
| 22:34.47 | menotume | wait a minute ... JeffM2501 using grub ? |
| 22:35.02 | JeffM2501 | menotume, yeah, I changed the default OS |
| 22:35.07 | menotume | ahhh |
| 22:35.15 | JeffM2501 | before I swaped machines |
| 22:35.52 | menotume | but, i thought you didn't do linux |
| 22:36.08 | JeffM2501 | who said that? |
| 22:36.15 | menotume | i just did :) |
| 22:36.25 | TD-Linux | I have a feature request: Are individual polygon explosions easy to do? |
| 22:36.31 | JeffM2501 | I've been asking about a distro for my new machine for like a week |
| 22:36.38 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, what? |
| 22:36.45 | TD-Linux | wait... that isn't a request, that is a question |
| 22:36.58 | JeffM2501 | what is an "individual polygon explosion" ? |
| 22:36.59 | TD-Linux | Can bzflag have explosions that translate each individual polygon? |
| 22:37.10 | JeffM2501 | bzflag can have anything |
| 22:37.11 | TD-Linux | instead of each object that makes up a tank? |
| 22:37.12 | JeffM2501 | it's just math |
| 22:37.23 | TD-Linux | it would look a bit cooler ;) |
| 22:37.38 | RPG1 | it would go a bit slower ;) |
| 22:37.44 | JeffM2501 | the tank isn't realy stored as a set of polygons that you could translate seperately tho |
| 22:37.59 | JeffM2501 | so you'd have to change the way the tank is stored and drawn |
| 22:38.03 | TD-Linux | Another explosion idea: blue lightning around the tank for a bit of a second, then the tank 'vaporizes' |
| 22:38.06 | JeffM2501 | each part is a GL list |
| 22:38.17 | RPG1 | TD-Linux: do you really use linux? |
| 22:38.24 | TD-Linux | ummm... not right now |
| 22:38.26 | TD-Linux | I will |
| 22:38.37 | JeffM2501 | then your name is a bit misleading |
| 22:38.52 | TD-Linux | I am going to reinstall Windows XP becasue of major problems, and then I will be able to get another partition on and put FC3 on it |
| 22:38.59 | TD-Linux | Actually, I do use linux |
| 22:39.04 | RPG1 | FC3? |
| 22:39.08 | TD-Linux | on my 600mhz computer I use for developing |
| 22:39.10 | RPG1 | oh |
| 22:39.13 | RPG1 | 600mhz |
| 22:39.16 | JeffM2501 | wow |
| 22:39.19 | JeffM2501 | that's slow |
| 22:39.28 | TD-Linux | KDE runs quite well |
| 22:39.36 | JeffM2501 | where well == slow |
| 22:39.39 | TD-Linux | see the Screenshots forum for screenshots of BZFLag ;) |
| 22:40.01 | JeffM2501 | bzflag isn't realy system taxing |
| 22:40.02 | JeffM2501 | yet ;) |
| 22:40.03 | TD-Linux | Konqueror is ssssssssss.........llllllllllll............oooooooo........wwwwwwwwwww but the terminal is fast ;) |
| 22:40.19 | blast007 | TD-Linux: the terminal is fast on my 133MHz... |
| 22:40.20 | JeffM2501 | why do you need kde if your in a term? |
| 22:40.38 | TD-Linux | I mean the konsole, I do use graphical stuff a lot also |
| 22:40.42 | TD-Linux | mainly xemacs |
| 22:40.48 | JeffM2501 | is this more digital penis stuff again? |
| 22:40.49 | TD-Linux | and Firefox |
| 22:40.56 | TD-Linux | yawn |
| 22:41.59 | TD-Linux | RPG is working on the masterbot plugin now |
| 22:42.04 | RPG1 | errr |
| 22:42.05 | TD-Linux | he already has a logger made |
| 22:42.10 | RPG1 | errr |
| 22:42.13 | TD-Linux | yes youdo |
| 22:42.19 | TD-Linux | I compled it in VC 2005! |
| 22:42.21 | RPG1 | lok at this: |
| 22:42.46 | TD-Linux | I didn't _test_ it |
| 22:43.11 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, why would it NOT compile in VC 2005? |
| 22:43.38 | TD-Linux | ummm... because you were talking about incomatablilites with vc8 here earlier, so I was expecting the worst ;) |
| 22:43.50 | JeffM2501 | I was talking about problems with bzflag |
| 22:44.12 | JeffM2501 | the plugins themselves are designed to work in .net 2k5 |
| 22:44.17 | TD-Linux | ok, good |
| 22:44.24 | TD-Linux | I did have to use the comatablility wizard |
| 22:44.34 | JeffM2501 | RPG1, so does he allways take things out of context? |
| 22:44.59 | RPG1 | Usually |
| 22:45.02 | JeffM2501 | fun |
| 22:45.05 | RPG1 | not as bad as AA |
| 22:45.20 | JeffM2501 | now he is "interesting" |
| 22:45.39 | RPG1 | http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/22745 |
| 22:45.43 | RPG1 | there's what my plugin made |
| 22:45.56 | JeffM2501 | how are you saving it out? |
| 22:46.05 | JeffM2501 | what wrote that? |
| 22:46.15 | RPG1 | the plugin |
| 22:46.18 | RPG1 | it's supposed to log stuff |
| 22:46.19 | JeffM2501 | umm |
| 22:46.20 | JeffM2501 | DUH |
| 22:46.23 | JeffM2501 | what CODE |
| 22:46.23 | RPG1 | like "RPG joined the server from <ip>" |
| 22:46.29 | RPG1 | i dont' have it in front o fme |
| 22:46.30 | JeffM2501 | what is your code look like |
| 22:46.34 | JeffM2501 | then why show it |
| 22:46.51 | RPG1 | fwrite(log_text.c_str(), log_text.size(), log_text.size(), f); |
| 22:46.55 | RPG1 | that's from memory |
| 22:47.06 | JeffM2501 | oh oh oh |
| 22:47.08 | JeffM2501 | dude learn C |
| 22:47.20 | JeffM2501 | second param is 1 |
| 22:47.25 | JeffM2501 | not the size again |
| 22:47.33 | JeffM2501 | first one is how much to write |
| 22:47.36 | TD-Linux | how about <fstream> ? |
| 22:47.38 | JeffM2501 | second one is how many times to write it |
| 22:47.42 | RPG1 | oh |
| 22:47.43 | JeffM2501 | streams are totaly difrent |
| 22:47.43 | RPG1 | really? |
| 22:47.44 | TD-Linux | I never got <fstream> to work in a plugin yet |
| 22:47.55 | RPG1 | TD-Linux: racetoseven uses fstram for config-file reading |
| 22:47.56 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, sucks to be you |
| 22:48.10 | JeffM2501 | RPG1, see what I mean about you don't even know the basics |
| 22:48.13 | TD-Linux | JeffM2501, then be glad you aren't |
| 22:48.36 | TD-Linux | RPG1: a good idea: How about using a prewritten web server code? |
| 22:48.39 | JeffM2501 | you end up going way deep on tangents when you are just making like mistakes from a first week C student |
| 22:49.04 | JeffM2501 | size_t fwrite( |
| 22:49.04 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:49.04 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:49.04 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:49.04 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:49.05 | JeffM2501 | ); |
| 22:49.18 | JeffM2501 | Parameters |
| 22:49.18 | JeffM2501 | buffer |
| 22:49.18 | JeffM2501 | Pointer to data to be written. |
| 22:49.18 | JeffM2501 | size |
| 22:49.18 | JeffM2501 | Item size in bytes. |
| 22:49.19 | JeffM2501 | count |
| 22:49.21 | JeffM2501 | Maximum number of items to be written. |
| 22:49.23 | JeffM2501 | stream |
| 22:49.27 | JeffM2501 | Pointer to FILE structure. |
| 22:49.29 | JeffM2501 | F1 is your bestest friend |
| 22:49.38 | RPG1 | "Maximum number of items to be written" |
| 22:49.40 | RPG1 | i din't really get that |
| 22:49.41 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:49.47 | JeffM2501 | like if you were sending in an array |
| 22:49.51 | RPG1 | oh |
| 22:49.53 | JeffM2501 | float f[4]; |
| 22:50.05 | JeffM2501 | fwrite( f, sizeof(float),4,fp); |
| 22:50.17 | RPG1 | why 4? |
| 22:50.20 | RPG1 | ohh |
| 22:50.23 | RPG1 | in your example :) |
| 22:50.31 | JeffM2501 | tho noone does that anymore |
| 22:50.31 | RPG1 | i thought you were giving me an example of what to put for my std::string |
| 22:50.35 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 22:50.41 | JeffM2501 | just make the second one 1 |
| 22:50.41 | RPG1 | sorry i'm window-hopping |
| 22:50.43 | JeffM2501 | not the size again |
| 22:50.47 | JeffM2501 | and you'll be cool |
| 22:51.13 | TD-Linux | RPG has yet to write a basic web server |
| 22:51.25 | TD-Linux | I start to wonder if that is going to happen... |
| 22:51.27 | JeffM2501 | there are even EXAMPLES of it's use in the help |
| 22:51.29 | RPG1 | TD-Linux: a "basic" web server isn't so "basic" |
| 22:51.52 | TD-Linux | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:52.03 | JeffM2501 | predone? |
| 22:52.09 | JeffM2501 | who teaches you english boy? |
| 22:52.25 | TD-Linux | ummm... I hate to tell you this, but... |
| 22:52.43 | TD-Linux | ...at least I can spell, as in your FAQ ;) |
| 22:52.48 | JeffM2501 | so |
| 22:52.54 | JeffM2501 | at least I don't make up words |
| 22:53.03 | TD-Linux | fine... a preWRITTEN |
| 22:53.16 | JeffM2501 | THIRD PARTY |
| 22:53.21 | TD-Linux | ahhh |
| 22:53.23 | TD-Linux | much better |
| 22:53.34 | TD-Linux | ty ;-) |
| 22:53.54 | TD-Linux | RPG1: http://www.adp-gmbh.ch/win/misc/webserver.html |
| 22:54.21 | JeffM2501 | you want it to be windows only? |
| 22:54.26 | RPG1 | it's gotta be cross-paltrom |
| 22:54.54 | TD-Linux | oh |
| 22:54.59 | TD-Linux | I missed the 'for windows' part |
| 22:55.12 | TD-Linux | how do you make it cross-platform? |
| 22:55.18 | TD-Linux | I don't know sockets at all |
| 22:55.30 | TD-Linux | I thought windows could only use winsock.dll |
| 22:55.37 | RPG1 | use winsock and linux's sockets and mac's sockets |
| 22:55.51 | RPG1 | or use a premade lib |
| 22:57.24 | JeffM2501 | then why are you looking for something you don't understand TD-Linux |
| 22:57.39 | JeffM2501 | RPG1, mac sockets are basicly linux sockets |
| 22:57.42 | TD-Linux | fine... /me goes to mess with POV-Ray some more |
| 22:57.48 | RPG1 | if we wrote the code to the core, we'd have to write both UNIX and windows ways |
| 22:58.00 | JeffM2501 | RPG1, it's not that bad actualy |
| 22:58.06 | JeffM2501 | most of the functions are very similar |
| 22:58.15 | JeffM2501 | but I'd look at seeing if you could use twisted or something |
| 22:58.21 | JeffM2501 | tho don't know how it binds to C++ |
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| 22:59.34 | JeffM2501 | simplest would be to finish the python plugin and use that |
| 23:02.31 | RPG1 | my grub.conf file is locked, any ways to still edit it? |
| 23:02.50 | TD-Linux | why would you want to edit it? |
| 23:03.04 | RPG1 | make the autoboot delay longer than 3 seconds |
| 23:04.37 | JeffM2501 | sudo |
| 23:04.43 | JeffM2501 | be the root |
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| 23:05.07 | RPG1 | but i don't know how to sudo Konqueror |
| 23:05.09 | JeffM2501 | RPG1, as your normal user you cant' edit much in the way of the system |
| 23:05.18 | JeffM2501 | right click the file |
| 23:05.21 | JeffM2501 | edit as... |
| 23:05.23 | JeffM2501 | I think |
| 23:05.30 | JeffM2501 | or do it in a term |
| 23:05.47 | JeffM2501 | there may also be a knoq as root option |
| 23:05.56 | JeffM2501 | I don't remmber if FC went rootless or not |
| 23:06.12 | RPG1 | oh i have a root |
| 23:06.20 | RPG1 | konq as root doesn't exist |
| 23:06.25 | JeffM2501 | use a term |
| 23:06.40 | JeffM2501 | sudo vim /etc/............ |
| 23:06.48 | TD-Linux | right click > Actions > Open terminal here... |
| 23:07.14 | RPG1 | noo!!! |
| 23:07.18 | RPG1 | Garrett is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. |
| 23:07.23 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 23:07.28 | JeffM2501 | then su - |
| 23:07.33 | JeffM2501 | enter the root password |
| 23:07.38 | JeffM2501 | then vim /etc..... |
| 23:07.48 | RPG1 | no vim |
| 23:07.53 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 23:07.56 | JeffM2501 | just vi then |
| 23:08.09 | RPG1 | aha |
| 23:08.09 | RPG1 | there |
| 23:08.12 | JeffM2501 | you'll find that many config things arn't point and clicky |
| 23:08.19 | JeffM2501 | hit insert to edit the file |
| 23:08.32 | JeffM2501 | when you are done, hit ESCAPE : W Q ENTER |
| 23:08.37 | JeffM2501 | with the : |
| 23:08.43 | JeffM2501 | one at a time |
| 23:08.57 | blast007 | might be case sensitive too |
| 23:09.07 | blast007 | so lowercase 'w' and 'q' |
| 23:09.09 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:09.28 | RPG1 | uh oh |
| 23:09.29 | RPG1 | too late |
| 23:09.32 | RPG1 | did :wq |
| 23:09.40 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 23:09.42 | JeffM2501 | thats fine |
| 23:09.45 | JeffM2501 | then hit henter |
| 23:09.53 | JeffM2501 | it'll save and quit |
| 23:09.54 | RPG1 | seems to hav esaved |
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| 23:32.13 | blast007 | ? :) |
| 23:32.25 | blast007 | which two would that be |
| 23:32.26 | JeffM2501 | penis stitches |
| 23:32.34 | blast007 | o.O |
| 23:33.27 | JeffM2501 | http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-13437430,00.html?f=rss |
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| 23:35.05 | JeffM2501 | such things should NEVER be reported |
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| 23:57.36 | JeffM2501 | at least he scored when he got back in the game |
| 23:57.47 | JeffM2501 | sadly probalby the only kind of scoring he'll be dooing for a bit |
| 23:57.51 | blast007 | hehe |
| 23:58.03 | blast007 | I was waiting for something like that to be said ;) |
| 23:58.06 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 23:58.38 | JeffM2501 | the fark tagline was funny |
| 23:58.40 | JeffM2501 | "Footballer has penis ripped open during tackle. Returns to field after getting penis stitches. Penis stitches. Penis stitches. Penis stitches. Now you'll have nightmares, too" |
| 23:59.08 | blast007 | lol |