| 00:00.18 | I_Died_Once | evolution is a good linux email client that is GUI |
| 00:00.55 | Beep | Dark Lord, you notice how the server emptied quickly when it switched? I can't figure it out. |
| 00:01.09 | I_Died_Once | Quantum? |
| 00:01.21 | Beep | tis' me. (o__o) |
| 00:01.33 | I_Died_Once | You got your "rabbit hunt" people that mainly play rabbit hunt... |
| 00:01.37 | I_Died_Once | you got your pillbox people |
| 00:01.44 | I_Died_Once | CTF people |
| 00:01.58 | I_Died_Once | I got alot of regulars from all fans of each mode |
| 00:02.15 | Beep | I say we do something generically obscene to the whole lot of 'em. |
| 00:02.36 | I_Died_Once | well come up with something and we'll orcestrate something |
| 00:02.50 | Beep | I'm thinking of Monty python right now. |
| 00:03.03 | Beep | It could just be in their general direction. |
| 00:04.06 | I_Died_Once | I think evolution is a part of gnome.... i could be wrong |
| 00:04.29 | I_Died_Once | ok, I gotta go for now |
| 00:04.36 | Beep | Check freshmeat... there's probably a nice clean mailer sitting right at the otp. |
| 00:04.43 | Beep | May the force be with you |
| 00:04.46 | RPG_ | /part #BZFlag I_Died_Once |
| 00:04.59 | I_Died_Once | gah |
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| 01:08.39 | bytecoder | this is the dev channel, right? |
| 01:08.54 | trepan | yes, mostly |
| 01:09.05 | bytecoder | good, then you guys can tell me why the spawning algorithm sucks balls |
| 01:09.28 | trepan | those with the @ might be more likely to kick ya |
| 01:09.41 | bytecoder | what '@'? |
| 01:09.53 | blast007 | channel operator status |
| 01:09.55 | bytecoder | it's a serious question |
| 01:10.12 | bytecoder | I would like to know why I've spawned in the worst places imaginable |
| 01:10.20 | bytecoder | and why I've had whole teams spawn around me |
| 01:10.31 | bytecoder | surrounding me is a better word |
| 01:10.38 | blast007 | cuz the server doesn't know about all the shot positions yet, and doesn't make the best decisions |
| 01:10.48 | blast007 | patches welcome :P |
| 01:11.15 | bytecoder | I mean, I can see being spawned in range of a laser is somewhat hard to detect |
| 01:11.32 | bytecoder | but is it really that hard to check to make sure you don't spawn right in front of an enemy |
| 01:11.37 | bytecoder | or worse, the enemy spawns around you? |
| 01:11.50 | blast007 | it used to be a bit better when the client picked a location, but the client knew where everything was |
| 01:12.03 | bytecoder | why doesn't the server do it? |
| 01:12.07 | blast007 | it does |
| 01:12.13 | bytecoder | obviously not very well |
| 01:12.21 | blast007 | noticed I said "when the client picked", as in, past tense |
| 01:12.35 | bytecoder | wait, what? |
| 01:12.53 | bytecoder | ok |
| 01:12.53 | blast007 | the client USED to pick the spawn location, but NOW the server does it |
| 01:13.29 | bytecoder | well, if the codebase was designed correctly, it'd be a few lines to add in |
| 01:13.37 | bytecoder | it'd take* |
| 01:13.57 | blast007 | the codebase was designed for a trusted LAN environment... |
| 01:13.59 | bytecoder | as far as I can tell, it doesn't even care if you spawn on somebody's bullets... |
| 01:14.06 | blast007 | but it expanded into an internet game |
| 01:14.11 | bytecoder | ok |
| 01:14.18 | bytecoder | but what does that have to do with crappy spawns? |
| 01:14.32 | bytecoder | hmm |
| 01:14.37 | blast007 | the fact that the client used to do it, and the server didn't have to keep track of cheaters |
| 01:14.40 | bytecoder | ah yes, I forgot I happen to have the source on hand |
| 01:14.57 | blast007 | now it does, and we need to enhance the server side part |
| 01:15.08 | bytecoder | ok, but that doesn't matter if the server does it |
| 01:15.26 | blast007 | ... |
| 01:15.40 | blast007 | the server does it, but that doesn't mean it does it well |
| 01:15.48 | bytecoder | ok |
| 01:15.49 | blast007 | it's not as easy as coding a few lines |
| 01:16.05 | blast007 | it's going to take major work to make the server keep a full game state |
| 01:16.17 | bytecoder | wait |
| 01:16.28 | bytecoder | your telling me the server doesn't keep the world on its side? |
| 01:16.42 | blast007 | it doesn't not track shots, for example |
| 01:16.49 | blast007 | but it tracks player position |
| 01:17.02 | bytecoder | ok |
| 01:17.13 | bytecoder | the clients have to send the time the shot was fired, though, right? |
| 01:17.32 | blast007 | it sends that it shot a bullet, along with the speed and direction |
| 01:17.40 | bytecoder | ok |
| 01:17.41 | brlcad | it's completely random |
| 01:17.47 | bytecoder | so it does keep state |
| 01:17.48 | brlcad | so sometimes it's good, sometimes it's not |
| 01:17.50 | bytecoder | just indirectly |
| 01:18.11 | bytecoder | hmm |
| 01:18.13 | bytecoder | what do you mean? |
| 01:18.15 | brlcad | it only checks to make sure you're not in the path of an existing bullet |
| 01:18.30 | bytecoder | doesn't that leave the door wide open for laser-like bullets? |
| 01:18.50 | brlcad | it got more deficiencies than that |
| 01:18.53 | blast007 | bytecoder: there are sanity checks on things like speed, position, and that stuff |
| 01:18.54 | bytecoder | heh |
| 01:19.11 | bytecoder | wow, I knew it was written in C++ and all |
| 01:19.12 | blast007 | but it could still be better |
| 01:19.18 | bytecoder | but I didn't know it had that many problems |
| 01:19.25 | brlcad | that many? |
| 01:19.32 | blast007 | in reality, the client could just say "hey, I shot a bullet", and the server could figure out what to do |
| 01:19.48 | brlcad | it's not complicated to fix, just nobody's gotten to it and a proper fix requires breaking the network protocol usually |
| 01:19.52 | bytecoder | it's not a very cheat-proof server if it doesn't keep it's own copy of the world, directly or indirectly |
| 01:20.13 | brlcad | and protocol breaks are only made periodicly |
| 01:20.19 | Bosun_JeffM | who said bzflag was cheat proof? |
| 01:20.23 | blast007 | as stated earlier, it was originally designed for LAN games with trusted clients |
| 01:20.26 | bytecoder | nobody |
| 01:20.31 | bytecoder | but usually cheat proof = better |
| 01:20.32 | brlcad | the server has it's own copy of the world, it sends it to the clients |
| 01:20.39 | bytecoder | well |
| 01:20.40 | bytecoder | by world |
| 01:20.40 | Bosun_JeffM | the server dosn't have a full gamestate |
| 01:20.43 | bytecoder | I mean the entire state |
| 01:20.44 | Bosun_JeffM | that's what it needs |
| 01:20.48 | Bosun_JeffM | the server sucks |
| 01:20.50 | brlcad | bytecoder: well of course |
| 01:20.51 | Bosun_JeffM | we all know it |
| 01:21.01 | Bosun_JeffM | your welcome to help us make it better :) |
| 01:21.02 | brlcad | ain't rocket science ;) |
| 01:21.06 | bytecoder | sounds like it needs a large reworking |
| 01:21.10 | Bosun_JeffM | it does |
| 01:21.12 | brlcad | maybe guided missile science |
| 01:21.17 | Bosun_JeffM | got the time to do it? |
| 01:21.27 | bytecoder | me? |
| 01:21.28 | bytecoder | I have the time |
| 01:21.31 | bytecoder | just not the will power |
| 01:21.32 | Bosun_JeffM | cool |
| 01:21.34 | Bosun_JeffM | oh |
| 01:21.36 | Bosun_JeffM | why not? |
| 01:21.36 | bytecoder | heh |
| 01:21.43 | bytecoder | I've got other things to do |
| 01:21.45 | blast007 | he doesn't like C++ anyway |
| 01:21.47 | Bosun_JeffM | how will it ever get better if people don't make it better? |
| 01:21.48 | bytecoder | like procrastinate by playing bzflag |
| 01:21.49 | brlcad | chicks dig it |
| 01:22.05 | bytecoder | ok |
| 01:22.10 | bytecoder | so what does the server keep? |
| 01:22.14 | bytecoder | just the world and the players? |
| 01:22.20 | Bosun_JeffM | it has some data |
| 01:22.28 | Bosun_JeffM | it has player records of course |
| 01:22.33 | blast007 | if you want to know what all it keeps, look at the source ;) |
| 01:22.34 | brlcad | the server has a lot of state, just it's also missing a lot of state ;) |
| 01:22.34 | bytecoder | ok |
| 01:22.35 | Bosun_JeffM | there last known pos |
| 01:22.41 | Bosun_JeffM | it dosn't have shots |
| 01:22.41 | TimRiker | it passed all the traffic, but it does some of it blindly. |
| 01:22.43 | bytecoder | I am looking at the source |
| 01:22.44 | Bosun_JeffM | and it dosnt' do DR |
| 01:22.57 | Bosun_JeffM | it's about 35% the way there |
| 01:22.57 | TimRiker | DR? |
| 01:23.00 | brlcad | it's half-migrated, if I had to guage .. effort started a couple years ago to start moving game logic from client to the server |
| 01:23.01 | Bosun_JeffM | DeadReconing |
| 01:23.12 | bytecoder | let's see |
| 01:23.12 | Bosun_JeffM | yeah it's slow, but sure |
| 01:23.25 | bytecoder | it shouldn't be too hard to fix the spawning in front of players problem |
| 01:23.33 | blast007 | then fix it |
| 01:23.34 | bytecoder | if the server stores player positions |
| 01:23.38 | bytecoder | maybe I will |
| 01:23.49 | bytecoder | what file is spawning in? |
| 01:23.51 | JeffM2501 | it has there last known position |
| 01:23.57 | bytecoder | good enough |
| 01:23.58 | JeffM2501 | bzfs.cxx |
| 01:24.07 | JeffM2501 | bytecoder, they would have moved since then |
| 01:24.08 | TimRiker | ah. correct. once laser is shortened, then it would make sense to have the server to DR based on distance from a player. needs to handle things like teleporters too. |
| 01:24.16 | bytecoder | I keep thinking bzfs stands for bz filesystem |
| 01:24.29 | brlcad | bytecoder, the server code lives in src/bzfs and src/game primarily |
| 01:24.32 | bytecoder | JeffM2501, estimation |
| 01:24.34 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, you've been talking about shortening laser for like as long as I've known you, why haven't you done it |
| 01:24.39 | TimRiker | bytecoder: re bzfs. hehe |
| 01:24.42 | bytecoder | JeffM2501, just extrude out a possible sphere of location or something |
| 01:24.44 | JeffM2501 | bytecoder, find the spawn event handler |
| 01:24.53 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: always something else to do. |
| 01:24.54 | bytecoder | oh god |
| 01:24.56 | JeffM2501 | the API installs one, where it's called is where it's done |
| 01:25.05 | JeffM2501 | I don't know off the top of my head |
| 01:25.26 | bytecoder | is it called 'SpawnPosition'? |
| 01:25.27 | JeffM2501 | just find the enumeration in the bzAPI.h and search for where it's called |
| 01:25.32 | bytecoder | by the way, why are there so many globals? |
| 01:25.44 | JeffM2501 | bytecoder, because that's how you coded in 1992 |
| 01:25.45 | TimRiker | mmmm. tasty globals. |
| 01:25.49 | bytecoder | heh |
| 01:25.54 | bytecoder | not everybody |
| 01:26.06 | JeffM2501 | bytecoder, it'll be like bzapispawnevent or something |
| 01:26.15 | JeffM2501 | probably a couple _ in there too |
| 01:26.22 | JeffM2501 | it's in the header |
| 01:26.28 | TimRiker | look for MsgPlayerEnter or something like that? |
| 01:26.29 | JeffM2501 | bytecoder, it is how the author did it |
| 01:26.36 | bytecoder | heh |
| 01:26.39 | JeffM2501 | yeah that's sent after it's computed |
| 01:26.51 | JeffM2501 | the api event is when the pos is computed |
| 01:26.56 | bytecoder | what does bzfs stand for, anyway? |
| 01:27.02 | bytecoder | ok |
| 01:27.03 | blast007 | BZFlag Server |
| 01:27.03 | JeffM2501 | since it lets the plugins mod it if they need to |
| 01:27.04 | bytecoder | I'll look for it |
| 01:27.06 | JeffM2501 | bzflag server |
| 01:27.07 | bytecoder | oh |
| 01:27.09 | JeffM2501 | BZFS |
| 01:27.17 | JeffM2501 | bzflagd sounds lame |
| 01:27.19 | bytecoder | why did they use fs |
| 01:27.25 | JeffM2501 | FLAG SERVER |
| 01:27.32 | JeffM2501 | BZFlagServer |
| 01:27.34 | bytecoder | that almost universally means filesystem |
| 01:27.38 | bytecoder | bzfilesystem |
| 01:27.39 | blast007 | ... |
| 01:27.44 | bytecoder | "the new way to store your files!" |
| 01:27.45 | JeffM2501 | the name of the game is BZFlag |
| 01:27.46 | TimRiker | not back in 1993 it didn't. |
| 01:27.56 | JeffM2501 | the F is part of the BZ part |
| 01:27.59 | bytecoder | yeah |
| 01:28.02 | bytecoder | it's still confusing |
| 01:28.06 | JeffM2501 | not realy |
| 01:28.07 | blast007 | not really |
| 01:28.08 | TimRiker | bzfd could work. |
| 01:28.10 | bytecoder | let me think of some fs from back then |
| 01:28.14 | bytecoder | bzs |
| 01:28.18 | bytecoder | server |
| 01:28.21 | bytecoder | server works fine |
| 01:28.30 | JeffM2501 | noone else has a problem with it |
| 01:28.31 | bytecoder | bzserve would be a decent name for the exe |
| 01:28.37 | TimRiker | bz is some other program. this is BZFlag ie: bzf |
| 01:28.43 | bytecoder | well, I'm less user-friendly than other people |
| 01:28.49 | JeffM2501 | bz was another tank game on the SGI |
| 01:28.49 | bytecoder | and I'm more verbose |
| 01:29.03 | JeffM2501 | bytecoder, you don't say? |
| 01:29.09 | bytecoder | yup |
| 01:29.13 | bytecoder | ok, gotta go |
| 01:29.21 | JeffM2501 | of course you do |
| 01:29.21 | bytecoder | I'll be back in 30 minutes or so |
| 01:29.30 | JeffM2501 | promice or threat? |
| 01:29.30 | TimRiker | BattleZoneDontSueMeAtariCaptureTheFlagServerDaemon |
| 01:29.31 | bytecoder | I have to take a shower |
| 01:29.42 | bytecoder | heh |
| 01:29.43 | JeffM2501 | bzflag has little to do with battlezone |
| 01:29.52 | bytecoder | anyway, back in 30 |
| 01:30.01 | TimRiker | 'cept for the first 2 letters. ;-) |
| 01:30.16 | JeffM2501 | as MS has shown, you can't copyright stuff like that :) |
| 01:30.26 | TimRiker | =) |
| 01:30.36 | JeffM2501 | hows the little girl doing? |
| 01:30.54 | TimRiker | just waking up again. waaaahhh! |
| 01:30.59 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 01:32.09 | brlcad | bytecoder: look in the playerAlive() function in bzfs.cxx, there's where the SpawnPosition is generated. SpawnPosition is a class that you should be able to beef up with better position identification. |
| 01:37.56 | JeffM2501 | and right after that is the API call that lets em change it :) |
| 01:39.45 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, do you know if anyone has looked at the reported admin channel bug? |
| 01:40.12 | JeffM2501 | also I have reports that the change to the API format commands didn't work? or did you just have blast change his local code? |
| 01:43.34 | JeffM2501 | did you make a fix in bzfs? |
| 01:43.36 | JeffM2501 | for it? |
| 01:43.43 | learner | i initially just had blast change his local |
| 01:43.48 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 01:43.53 | learner | i fixed it in my copy and think i commited it :) |
| 01:43.58 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 01:44.10 | JeffM2501 | was the problem in TextUtils? or in the calls to it? |
| 01:44.34 | learner | the "fix" is just that you aren't supposed to shove a va_list into printf/sprintf/fprintf/etc |
| 01:44.42 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 01:44.43 | learner | there are v-functions (e.g. vsprintf) for that |
| 01:44.53 | JeffM2501 | well the API is calling the textutils versions |
| 01:44.57 | JeffM2501 | witha va_list |
| 01:45.10 | JeffM2501 | rpg says they are having similar problems |
| 01:45.13 | learner | that'd by why probably |
| 01:45.24 | learner | could just overload the textutils func |
| 01:45.51 | learner | but va_list functions are usually var-arg only or they become ambiguous to figure which one was intended |
| 01:45.53 | JeffM2501 | I never did much with arg lists, so I'm not sure how it's suposed to look |
| 01:45.58 | JeffM2501 | I just copied it from somewhere lese |
| 01:46.08 | JeffM2501 | BZF_API const char *bz_format(const char* fmt, ...) |
| 01:46.09 | JeffM2501 | { |
| 01:46.09 | JeffM2501 | va_list args; |
| 01:46.09 | JeffM2501 | va_start(args, fmt); |
| 01:46.09 | JeffM2501 | static std::string result = TextUtils::format(fmt, args); |
| 01:46.09 | JeffM2501 | va_end(args); |
| 01:46.11 | JeffM2501 | return result.c_str(); |
| 01:46.13 | JeffM2501 | } |
| 01:46.15 | JeffM2501 | what should it be? |
| 01:46.22 | learner | ahh |
| 01:46.54 | learner | TextUtils needs a vformat, or use your own buffer and vsprintf there |
| 01:47.38 | learner | or try overloading format, but I suspect that won't work |
| 01:47.48 | blast007 | yeah, TextUtils::format doesn't expect a va_list |
| 01:47.53 | JeffM2501 | hmmm |
| 01:48.02 | JeffM2501 | or change bz_format to not do a va_list |
| 01:48.06 | JeffM2501 | does it have to be a list? |
| 01:48.24 | learner | that's just how "..." args are processed |
| 01:48.42 | JeffM2501 | so you can't pass one ... to another ... ? |
| 01:48.43 | blast007 | it expects to be called like TextUtils::format(format, somevariable, anothervariable, etc) |
| 01:48.57 | learner | no |
| 01:49.00 | JeffM2501 | it's prototype is std::string format(const char* fmt, ...) |
| 01:49.07 | JeffM2501 | ok so I'd just have to do the formating myself |
| 01:49.07 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 01:49.09 | JeffM2501 | I can do that |
| 01:49.20 | JeffM2501 | I just call vformat then |
| 01:49.22 | learner | if you could get the actual "..." you could, but va_list is just a representation of it |
| 01:49.23 | JeffM2501 | in textuTutils |
| 01:49.28 | JeffM2501 | std::string vformat(const char* fmt, va_list args) |
| 01:49.56 | learner | yeah, that'd work |
| 01:50.20 | JeffM2501 | fairnuf |
| 01:50.46 | JeffM2501 | is OSX cool to go? |
| 01:50.55 | JeffM2501 | do you want to do an RC? |
| 01:50.59 | JeffM2501 | for the mac |
| 01:51.03 | learner | last I checked this morning it was |
| 01:51.32 | JeffM2501 | do we know if it's going to run on 10.2 ? |
| 01:51.52 | JeffM2501 | there are reports that 2.0.2 did not run on 10.2 as it was posted on sf |
| 01:52.00 | learner | not really :) if it's going to be released the day after or any time this week I'd just as well release final and patch as needed |
| 01:52.03 | bytecoder | back |
| 01:52.20 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 01:52.25 | bytecoder | anyway |
| 01:52.29 | bytecoder | while I'm here |
| 01:52.30 | JeffM2501 | I am shooting for midweek, but expecting weekend |
| 01:52.39 | bytecoder | does anyone know why bzflag would crash when it can't connect to a server? |
| 01:52.49 | bytecoder | e.g. if my net connection is down |
| 01:52.53 | bytecoder | well, it doesn't crash |
| 01:52.56 | bytecoder | it basically just stalls |
| 01:53.04 | bytecoder | and it takes a killall -9 bzflag to stop it |
| 01:53.06 | JeffM2501 | it should time out then give you an error |
| 01:53.07 | learner | it'll eventually time out |
| 01:53.08 | blast007 | cuz it's waiting fot a timeout |
| 01:53.10 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfsAPI.cxx: make API format work the way it should with a va_list |
| 01:53.17 | learner | it's just a long timeout |
| 01:53.31 | bytecoder | well, it's not a particularly good interface |
| 01:53.35 | bytecoder | it looks like it stalls |
| 01:53.42 | JeffM2501 | fix it :) |
| 01:53.53 | bytecoder | I'm not a dev, now am I :P |
| 01:54.02 | JeffM2501 | you could be |
| 01:54.04 | JeffM2501 | make a patch |
| 01:54.07 | JeffM2501 | we'd apply it |
| 01:54.10 | bytecoder | just because you managed to rope me into that first annoyance doesn't me I'll fall for it again |
| 01:54.24 | learner | heh, TextUtils already had a vformat().. didn't know that :) |
| 01:54.26 | JeffM2501 | guess it wont' get changed then will it |
| 01:54.30 | bytecoder | pff, I don't have enough time as it is |
| 01:54.32 | JeffM2501 | learner, that's all I called |
| 01:54.32 | bytecoder | procrastinating |
| 01:54.36 | bytecoder | from writing that compiler |
| 01:54.51 | learner | JeffM2501, yeah, I realized that then looked it up |
| 01:54.53 | bytecoder | anyway |
| 01:54.53 | JeffM2501 | sure because that's what we need more of, compilers |
| 01:55.05 | bytecoder | where is the message handling code on the server? |
| 01:55.06 | JeffM2501 | learner, any other outstanding issues you know of? |
| 01:55.14 | bytecoder | and what was the specific message name again? |
| 01:55.16 | JeffM2501 | bytecoder, what messages? |
| 01:55.30 | bytecoder | for the spawning |
| 01:55.31 | learner | bytecoder, search for along list of case statements of the form MsgSomething: |
| 01:55.32 | bytecoder | remember |
| 01:55.37 | bytecoder | eww |
| 01:55.43 | JeffM2501 | alive |
| 01:55.44 | bytecoder | ever heard of function pointers? |
| 01:55.48 | learner | bytecoder, brlcad responded exactly where to look for spawning to you |
| 01:55.55 | learner | review your log |
| 01:56.00 | bytecoder | I took a shower :P |
| 01:56.00 | bytecoder | fine |
| 01:56.03 | JeffM2501 | 2173 in bzfs.cxx |
| 01:56.20 | JeffM2501 | the SpawnPosition class makes the pos |
| 01:56.43 | bytecoder | that's what I said in the first place :P |
| 01:56.44 | JeffM2501 | then passes it to the API for modification by plugins |
| 01:56.46 | JeffM2501 | then sends it out |
| 01:57.25 | bytecoder | 2173 puts me in removePlayer |
| 01:57.36 | JeffM2501 | what version of the code do you have? |
| 01:57.36 | blast007 | bytecoder: well, we have CVS code... |
| 01:57.50 | bytecoder | well, I'm in 2.0.0.20050117 |
| 01:57.56 | learner | eek |
| 01:57.59 | JeffM2501 | dude that's old |
| 01:58.00 | blast007 | that's old |
| 01:58.01 | JeffM2501 | way old |
| 01:58.12 | JeffM2501 | current release version is 2.0.2 |
| 01:58.15 | bytecoder | oh wait |
| 01:58.17 | learner | suggest you check out the latest cvs and keep it up to date |
| 01:58.20 | JeffM2501 | and we are doing 2.0.4 shortly |
| 01:58.21 | bytecoder | I'm in the wrong src directory |
| 01:58.32 | JeffM2501 | yeah get CVS |
| 01:58.38 | learner | blast007, or just type faster: ) |
| 01:58.42 | bytecoder | fine... |
| 01:58.44 | blast007 | hehe |
| 01:58.50 | JeffM2501 | improve your KCI blast007 |
| 01:59.04 | JeffM2501 | CVS is the shizzle |
| 01:59.11 | bytecoder | ok, now I'm in 2.0.0.20050117 |
| 01:59.22 | JeffM2501 | that's still 2.0.0 |
| 01:59.24 | JeffM2501 | wicked old |
| 01:59.47 | JeffM2501 | current cvs version is 2.0.3 |
| 01:59.59 | bytecoder | wait a minute |
| 02:00.01 | bytecoder | let me check something out |
| 02:00.01 | JeffM2501 | .whatever the day you configed on |
| 02:00.07 | JeffM2501 | where did you get this code? |
| 02:00.17 | bytecoder | oh |
| 02:00.21 | bytecoder | I guess it is pretty old |
| 02:00.24 | bytecoder | I downloaded it a while back |
| 02:00.29 | JeffM2501 | C V S |
| 02:00.34 | bytecoder | because ubuntu didn't have an up to date 2.0 |
| 02:00.36 | bytecoder | fine |
| 02:00.45 | bytecoder | where's the repository and what are the commands? |
| 02:00.50 | bytecoder | heh |
| 02:00.51 | JeffM2501 | www.bzflag.org |
| 02:00.56 | blast007 | it's on the SF project page |
| 02:00.56 | JeffM2501 | read the sidebar |
| 02:01.00 | blast007 | or there |
| 02:01.02 | JeffM2501 | one of the thigns is CVS ACCESSS |
| 02:01.06 | bytecoder | ... |
| 02:01.06 | JeffM2501 | it has full instructions |
| 02:01.10 | bytecoder | I could be playing bzflag right now |
| 02:01.12 | bytecoder | but noo... |
| 02:01.15 | bytecoder | I had to come in here |
| 02:01.25 | bytecoder | *sigh* |
| 02:01.26 | JeffM2501 | hey not my fualt you can't read :) |
| 02:01.29 | bytecoder | where is it again? |
| 02:01.36 | JeffM2501 | look at the topic |
| 02:01.38 | bytecoder | found it |
| 02:01.43 | bytecoder | *sigh* |
| 02:01.46 | JeffM2501 | amazing |
| 02:02.15 | bytecoder | what's the password for anonymous? |
| 02:02.20 | bytecoder | nevermind |
| 02:02.22 | JeffM2501 | read the instructions |
| 02:02.24 | bytecoder | I ask and look at the same time |
| 02:02.28 | JeffM2501 | use the gray matter man |
| 02:02.34 | bytecoder | never! |
| 02:02.42 | bytecoder | is it ok if I remove the -z3? |
| 02:02.48 | JeffM2501 | probably |
| 02:02.54 | JeffM2501 | may take longer |
| 02:02.54 | bytecoder | I've got a pretty fast connection, so it'll probably take longer to decompress |
| 02:03.37 | bytecoder | what do I put for 'modulename'? |
| 02:03.42 | blast007 | bzflag |
| 02:03.43 | JeffM2501 | bzflag |
| 02:03.47 | bytecoder | tried it |
| 02:03.53 | JeffM2501 | case sensitive |
| 02:03.58 | bytecoder | oh wait |
| 02:04.02 | bytecoder | I wrote 'cvs cvs ...' |
| 02:04.03 | bytecoder | nevermind |
| 02:04.08 | JeffM2501 | *sigh* |
| 02:04.14 | bytecoder | like I said |
| 02:04.17 | bytecoder | ask first, look later |
| 02:04.28 | bytecoder | *yawn* |
| 02:04.30 | JeffM2501 | that is the fastest way to a +q yes |
| 02:04.43 | bytecoder | well, I'm tired |
| 02:04.46 | JeffM2501 | so |
| 02:04.47 | bytecoder | I usually do look first |
| 02:04.57 | bytecoder | but I'm not particularly excited about this... |
| 02:05.04 | bytecoder | I bend easily to peer pressure |
| 02:05.05 | JeffM2501 | sure you do skip |
| 02:05.15 | bytecoder | skip? |
| 02:05.17 | bytecoder | skip what? |
| 02:05.19 | JeffM2501 | sport |
| 02:05.21 | JeffM2501 | ace |
| 02:05.25 | JeffM2501 | slick |
| 02:05.28 | bytecoder | I don't play sports |
| 02:05.34 | bytecoder | is that some wierd brittish slang or something? |
| 02:05.35 | JeffM2501 | perhaps you should |
| 02:05.38 | bytecoder | weird* |
| 02:05.45 | bytecoder | I'm half awake |
| 02:05.50 | JeffM2501 | I'm more welsh then british |
| 02:06.00 | JeffM2501 | and probalby more german then welsh |
| 02:06.27 | bytecoder | windows! |
| 02:06.28 | bytecoder | ah! |
| 02:06.29 | bytecoder | heh |
| 02:06.34 | JeffM2501 | yes, I'm at work |
| 02:06.36 | bytecoder | what's up with the version? |
| 02:06.45 | bytecoder | shouldn't you be...umm...working, then? |
| 02:06.48 | JeffM2501 | naw |
| 02:06.53 | JeffM2501 | compile is still running |
| 02:06.59 | JeffM2501 | so techincaly I am |
| 02:07.05 | JeffM2501 | then a regresion has to run |
| 02:07.12 | bytecoder | heh |
| 02:07.14 | bytecoder | regression |
| 02:07.19 | JeffM2501 | they are good things |
| 02:07.22 | bytecoder | meh |
| 02:07.37 | bytecoder | I dropped out of the whole testing fad a while ago |
| 02:07.43 | bytecoder | I just review over my code usually |
| 02:07.53 | JeffM2501 | how large are your projects |
| 02:07.57 | JeffM2501 | and who dies if they fail? |
| 02:07.59 | bytecoder | of course, I don't do much coding these days |
| 02:08.11 | bytecoder | actually, I don't do much of anything these days |
| 02:08.21 | bytecoder | ok |
| 02:08.24 | bytecoder | in bzfs.cxx again |
| 02:08.29 | bytecoder | what line # was it? |
| 02:08.33 | JeffM2501 | scroll up |
| 02:08.38 | bytecoder | bah |
| 02:08.43 | bytecoder | you and you're up arrow |
| 02:08.49 | bytecoder | *sigh* |
| 02:08.50 | bytecoder | I'm going |
| 02:08.56 | bytecoder | (up) |
| 02:08.56 | JeffM2501 | of course you are |
| 02:09.20 | bytecoder | ok |
| 02:09.23 | bytecoder | now I'm in playerAlive |
| 02:09.26 | bytecoder | half way through |
| 02:09.36 | bytecoder | what's the name of the routine? |
| 02:09.43 | JeffM2501 | it's a class |
| 02:09.48 | bytecoder | fine |
| 02:09.48 | JeffM2501 | read them |
| 02:09.49 | bytecoder | whatever |
| 02:09.54 | JeffM2501 | the name will pop out at you |
| 02:10.11 | bytecoder | spawnposition? |
| 02:10.21 | bytecoder | that's the first thing I said, by the way... |
| 02:10.34 | JeffM2501 | then why did you ask so much? |
| 02:10.41 | JeffM2501 | we don't know every line of code in our heads |
| 02:10.45 | bytecoder | because you kept telling me it was a message or something |
| 02:10.45 | JeffM2501 | that's what computers are for |
| 02:10.54 | bytecoder | then why are you using C++? |
| 02:10.58 | JeffM2501 | the message I was telling you about is RIGHT below it |
| 02:10.59 | bytecoder | anyway |
| 02:11.04 | bytecoder | is it in bzfs.cxx? |
| 02:11.06 | JeffM2501 | because it's decent language |
| 02:11.14 | JeffM2501 | and it's what it was made in |
| 02:11.16 | bytecoder | "it's decent language"? |
| 02:11.21 | bytecoder | heh |
| 02:11.22 | JeffM2501 | yeah it has many uses |
| 02:11.26 | bytecoder | I just realized how ironic that was |
| 02:11.32 | bytecoder | anyway |
| 02:11.38 | bytecoder | I can't find it in bzfs.cxx |
| 02:11.41 | JeffM2501 | and we arn't language biggots |
| 02:11.49 | JeffM2501 | it's not in that file |
| 02:11.52 | JeffM2501 | it's in it's own file |
| 02:11.52 | bytecoder | The text "class SpawnPosition" was not found. |
| 02:11.55 | bytecoder | ... |
| 02:12.00 | JeffM2501 | so search more then one file |
| 02:12.01 | bytecoder | now you tell me |
| 02:12.03 | bytecoder | I kept asking that |
| 02:12.05 | JeffM2501 | duh |
| 02:12.10 | JeffM2501 | we have to tell you everything? |
| 02:12.13 | bytecoder | yes |
| 02:12.23 | bytecoder | now I forgot the name of the class |
| 02:12.23 | JeffM2501 | dosn't work that way here slick |
| 02:12.27 | bytecoder | and I already closed the source file |
| 02:12.29 | bytecoder | heh |
| 02:12.31 | bytecoder | oh wait |
| 02:12.41 | bytecoder | SpawnPosition! |
| 02:12.43 | bytecoder | ok, rememberd |
| 02:12.45 | bytecoder | rememberd |
| 02:12.48 | bytecoder | remembered |
| 02:12.50 | bytecoder | there |
| 02:13.03 | JeffM2501 | are you like 12? |
| 02:13.08 | bytecoder | nah |
| 02:13.09 | bytecoder | 11 |
| 02:13.29 | JeffM2501 | uhhh huhh |
| 02:13.35 | bytecoder | heh |
| 02:13.36 | bytecoder | just kidding\ |
| 02:13.41 | bytecoder | s/\// |
| 02:14.14 | JeffM2501 | I'm thinking teen or college student who thinks he knows it all, but I could be wrong |
| 02:14.17 | JeffM2501 | oh well |
| 02:14.36 | JeffM2501 | what's your bet ari? |
| 02:14.52 | Aribeth | hummm..... |
| 02:15.15 | bytecoder | sorry, had to go do something |
| 02:15.23 | JeffM2501 | yeah it's not as easy as the others |
| 02:15.31 | bytecoder | 'ari'? |
| 02:15.36 | bytecoder | oh |
| 02:15.39 | bytecoder | nevermind |
| 02:15.39 | Aribeth | yes? |
| 02:15.40 | bytecoder | heh |
| 02:15.45 | bytecoder | I saw 'bet' as 'best' |
| 02:15.49 | bytecoder | and 'ari' as an abbreviation |
| 02:15.58 | Aribeth | hrmmmm |
| 02:15.58 | bytecoder | anyway, what were you saying? |
| 02:16.39 | Aribeth | he was talking about the sun and the moon :P |
| 02:16.43 | blast007 | we were discussing how pizza was round, and all covered in cheese |
| 02:16.50 | bytecoder | no way! |
| 02:16.54 | bytecoder | when did that happen? |
| 02:17.09 | Aribeth | pizza is square |
| 02:17.23 | blast007 | not according to the New York Times! |
| 02:17.29 | blast007 | it's some new invention |
| 02:17.33 | JeffM2501 | the moon is the best |
| 02:17.36 | bytecoder | lies! |
| 02:17.37 | JeffM2501 | was full this weekend |
| 02:17.38 | Aribeth | heh |
| 02:17.41 | JeffM2501 | best of times :) |
| 02:17.46 | JeffM2501 | luna is my good friend |
| 02:17.47 | Aribeth | :) |
| 02:17.59 | JeffM2501 | tho I did get drunk of my butt for some reason |
| 02:18.05 | blast007 | http://moon.google.com/ (zoom waaaay in, and unlock the secrets of NASA) |
| 02:18.12 | bytecoder | it's more likely that the earth is round |
| 02:18.28 | bytecoder | blast007, welcome to earlier this year |
| 02:18.29 | Aribeth | na, its perabolic |
| 02:18.40 | JeffM2501 | that it is |
| 02:18.44 | JeffM2501 | and bumpy |
| 02:18.50 | Aribeth | :) |
| 02:18.52 | bytecoder | what routine am I supposed to be looking in? |
| 02:19.00 | blast007 | dance_routine() |
| 02:19.06 | JeffM2501 | the class |
| 02:19.15 | JeffM2501 | what methods does it have? |
| 02:19.28 | bytecoder | I'm not sure |
| 02:19.34 | JeffM2501 | go look |
| 02:19.39 | bytecoder | but I think 'isImminentlyDangerous' might be what I'm looking for |
| 02:19.46 | bytecoder | speaking of which |
| 02:19.59 | bytecoder | isn't imminently spelled immenently |
| 02:20.09 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (include/bzfsAPI.h src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx): add pause event hook |
| 02:20.10 | JeffM2501 | does it matter? |
| 02:20.13 | bytecoder | apparently not |
| 02:20.21 | bytecoder | yes |
| 02:20.22 | bytecoder | greatly |
| 02:20.29 | bytecoder | (not really) |
| 02:20.29 | blast007 | SpawnPosition::enemyProximityCheck |
| 02:20.47 | JeffM2501 | blast007, wheres the fun in doing the monkeys work for him? |
| 02:20.47 | blast007 | isImminentlyDangerous looks like it's for weapons |
| 02:21.53 | JeffM2501 | I don't think the problem is with the calcs |
| 02:21.57 | JeffM2501 | it has to do with the time |
| 02:21.58 | bytecoder | blast007, " // don't spawn in the line of sight of a normal-shot tank within a certain distance" |
| 02:22.22 | blast007 | still, the problem isn't necessarily line-of-sight issues |
| 02:22.25 | bytecoder | well then, I guess the only way to fix it is to un-screw up the server |
| 02:22.35 | JeffM2501 | or let it have more time to compute the spawn |
| 02:22.38 | JeffM2501 | there is a timeout |
| 02:22.42 | bytecoder | portal/rebound checking is probably a bit too far |
| 02:22.48 | JeffM2501 | if it takes too long it just 'hucks them in there' |
| 02:22.59 | bytecoder | heh |
| 02:23.01 | bytecoder | nicely put |
| 02:23.03 | bytecoder | ok |
| 02:23.05 | bytecoder | whatever |
| 02:23.12 | bytecoder | I think I'm gonna go procrastinate or something |
| 02:23.19 | blast007 | :) |
| 02:23.24 | bytecoder | bz database? |
| 02:23.32 | JeffM2501 | by default it only allows 10ms for spawn calc |
| 02:23.38 | JeffM2501 | yes the bzdb |
| 02:23.41 | bytecoder | shouldn't it be bzfdb? |
| 02:23.44 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 02:23.47 | bytecoder | wouldn't want to offend atari |
| 02:23.51 | JeffM2501 | it is used by client and server |
| 02:24.01 | bytecoder | meh |
| 02:24.02 | bytecoder | bye |
| 02:24.06 | bytecoder | going to play AA |
| 02:24.09 | blast007 | cya |
| 02:24.09 | bytecoder | thanks, I guess |
| 02:24.11 | JeffM2501 | of course you are |
| 02:24.21 | Aribeth | heh |
| 02:24.26 | JeffM2501 | there are some constants in the code |
| 02:24.36 | JeffM2501 | probalby should be bzdbed to let the server op mod them if they want |
| 02:24.38 | Aribeth | i would say 13 1/3 |
| 02:24.41 | JeffM2501 | to make it best for there map |
| 02:24.46 | blast007 | Aribeth: hehe |
| 02:24.56 | JeffM2501 | I think it's a college student who thinks he's the "stuff" |
| 02:25.02 | Aribeth | and ADDS |
| 02:25.05 | JeffM2501 | and thinks he's VERY funny |
| 02:25.38 | Aribeth | i worked with an intern that was 26 going on 10 |
| 02:25.53 | Aribeth | coouldnt teach him anything |
| 02:26.32 | JeffM2501 | I'm betting 18-20 |
| 02:26.32 | JeffM2501 | when you are that age you think you know it all |
| 02:26.33 | Aribeth | prolly |
| 02:26.33 | JeffM2501 | you know |
| 02:26.33 | JeffM2501 | your not at your parents |
| 02:26.33 | Aribeth | yep |
| 02:26.33 | JeffM2501 | cus they are SUPID |
| 02:26.33 | JeffM2501 | and your going to rule the world |
| 02:26.44 | JeffM2501 | then you get a kid and a morgage and the world beats you down |
| 02:26.59 | JeffM2501 | "what I have to take RESPONSIBILITY for my actions" |
| 02:27.12 | Aribeth | yep |
| 02:27.53 | Aribeth | i was grown up at 12. had to. my mother was sick and had to learn to fend for myself early |
| 02:30.04 | Aribeth | kids these days have no gumption |
| 02:30.12 | Aribeth | no resposibility |
| 02:30.36 | bryjen | arr, that lubber twas in need of a keel-haulin. |
| 02:30.46 | Aribeth | arrr |
| 02:31.07 | Aribeth | and everything handed to them, spoon fed |
| 02:33.07 | bryjen | toss 'em o'er the side! he'll either be learnin' to swim or be food for the fishes. |
| 02:33.30 | Aribeth | 'ave 'im walk the plank |
| 02:33.59 | bryjen | he'd ask to be carried ;) |
| 02:34.21 | Aribeth | then point ye saber in 'is side |
| 02:34.22 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (ChangeLog src/bzfs/SpawnPosition.cxx src/common/global.cxx): |
| 02:34.22 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: BZDB up the params used for spawning, |
| 02:34.22 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: _spawnSafeSWMod,_spawnSafeSRMod,_spawnSafeRadMod, and _spawnMaxCompTime now |
| 02:34.22 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: controll how the spawn system works. increasing _spawnMaxCompTime and |
| 02:34.22 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: spawnSafeRadMod will help with many spawn problems. |
| 02:34.33 | JeffM2501 | that should help a bit :) |
| 02:34.43 | blast007 | oh darn, I need to write "talk like a pirate day" on my calendar for next year... |
| 02:34.55 | Aribeth | arrr |
| 02:35.24 | JeffM2501 | time to go home |
| 02:35.43 | Aribeth | hoist the ancor |
| 02:35.46 | bryjen | bon voy-ag-ee |
| 02:36.09 | Aribeth | baten down the hatches |
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| 05:39.37 | SportChick | hi kah |
| 05:39.47 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: have you seen advent children yet? |
| 05:39.55 | kahcepb[RU] | hi sportie |
| 05:40.07 | SportChick | kahcepb[RU]: long time no see |
| 05:40.17 | Aribeth | hi Sporty |
| 05:40.22 | SportChick | hi ari |
| 05:42.01 | kahcepb[RU] | yup, my vacation comes to it's end. soon i'll be fully online again |
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| 06:57.29 | LePoulpe303 | Hi all |
| 07:38.13 | LePoulpe303 | please anyone can confirm me if -config command line options works or not ? for me i can'tget it work under windows |
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| 08:18.59 | ruskie | ~bzfquery viper.pimpi.org:5158 |
| 08:48.44 | ruskie | ~bzfquery viper.pimpi.org:5158 |
| 08:48.52 | ruskie | still no players :( |
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| 09:53.19 | ruskie | ~bzfquery viper.pimpi.org:5158 |
| 09:53.28 | ruskie | still everyone sleeps |
| 09:56.19 | LePoulpe303 | if i make an utility around bzflag , what is the best place to make it know ? |
| 10:46.41 | Pimpi | LePoulpe303: bzbb imho |
| 10:52.59 | jpa- | ruskie: i bet it is an automatic jpa-frustrator |
| 10:53.20 | ruskie | lol |
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| 13:45.05 | SportChick | !weather 90277 |
| 13:45.08 | TheLastSpartan | SportChick: The current temperature in Redondo Beach, California (90277) is 63°F. |
| 13:45.22 | Grumbler | happy b-day SportChick (belated) |
| 13:45.35 | SportChick | ty grumbler |
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| 14:01.01 | jpa- | TheRedBaron: how many of you are there? |
| 14:01.13 | jpa- | i think i've seen three |
| 14:01.21 | TheRedBaron | at least 5 active |
| 14:03.13 | TheRedBaron | ~slap jpa- |
| 14:03.15 | ibot | ACTION slaps jpa-, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 14:07.56 | jpa- | ibot: join #bzchat |
| 14:08.08 | jpa- | bah :/ |
| 14:09.51 | RedBaron2 | 5 that play bz i think |
| 14:10.08 | RedBaron2 | er..actually 6 |
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| 16:48.26 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: have you seen advent children yet? |
| 16:49.16 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 16:49.20 | JeffM2501 | I have been told I should |
| 16:49.23 | purple_cow | you must! |
| 16:49.26 | purple_cow | it's soo good |
| 16:49.34 | JeffM2501 | but I have not goten it yet |
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| 18:30.26 | JeffM2501 | ok web gurus, I need a shoutbox |
| 18:30.50 | CBG | You wanna code one? |
| 18:31.01 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 18:31.03 | JeffM2501 | I want one |
| 18:31.08 | JeffM2501 | I want to code nothing :) |
| 18:31.24 | Tupone | www.icecast.org/ |
| 18:31.25 | CBG | but, Not a free one such as at www.myshoutbox.com/ ? |
| 18:31.47 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, not shoutcase |
| 18:31.51 | JeffM2501 | a shotbox |
| 18:31.58 | JeffM2501 | CBG, I don't care |
| 18:32.13 | CBG | JeffM2501: I just googled "shoutbox" and that was top result. |
| 18:32.24 | JeffM2501 | I want it to work, fit my layout, and be decently fast |
| 18:32.35 | JeffM2501 | and not have ads |
| 18:33.57 | CBG | Well, that is just the first result of about 4,880,000... |
| 18:33.57 | CBG | One hosted on sf.net... that automatically makes it 12 times better, right? :P http://shoutbox.sourceforge.net/ |
| 18:33.58 | JeffM2501 | arn't there just code thingys I can put in? |
| 18:34.22 | CBG | I dunno, i'm not even looking much at what I am giving you. |
| 18:34.45 | CBG | Im sure google will be able to direct you to a free, ad-less, adujustable, simple, etc shoutbox. :) |
| 18:34.59 | JeffM2501 | see I don't want to actualy research it :0 |
| 18:35.02 | JeffM2501 | that's why I asked here |
| 18:35.08 | JeffM2501 | with all the php and web gurus |
| 18:35.17 | meacan | phpbb.com got 7 hits on shoutbox |
| 18:35.25 | jpa- | lazier actually |
| 18:35.28 | CBG | Hypocrite. :) |
| 18:35.43 | JeffM2501 | nope not lazy |
| 18:35.47 | JeffM2501 | just delgating :) |
| 18:36.01 | JeffM2501 | how often do I help people with there coding? |
| 18:36.10 | JeffM2501 | and starting server |
| 18:36.12 | JeffM2501 | and maps |
| 18:36.14 | JeffM2501 | etc....... |
| 18:36.25 | CBG | How often do you tell people to google it, or ~rtfm, etc. ? :) |
| 18:36.31 | JeffM2501 | a fair amount |
| 18:36.50 | JeffM2501 | I didn't ask for somone to tell me how to do one, I said I needed one |
| 18:36.52 | jpa- | how often do you threat to steal jpa-'s karma? |
| 18:36.56 | JeffM2501 | I am asking for somone to do it FOR me ;) |
| 18:37.15 | CBG | ~jpa-++ |
| 18:37.53 | jpa- | CBG: nooo.. you made me 0 |
| 18:38.01 | CBG | :/ |
| 18:38.11 | CBG | ~karma jpa- |
| 18:38.11 | ibot | jpa- has neutral karma |
| 18:38.12 | Tupone | ~jpa--- |
| 18:38.39 | JeffM2501 | where is rpg, or one of those other web nuggets when I need em ;) |
| 18:38.51 | CBG | web nugget? |
| 18:38.55 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 18:39.02 | CBG | which is? :) |
| 18:39.07 | JeffM2501 | one of them |
| 18:39.15 | JeffM2501 | arn't you a webnugget |
| 18:39.24 | JeffM2501 | I don't need it to be done by scratch |
| 18:39.38 | JeffM2501 | I just want somone to put some code in my HTML to make it work :) |
| 18:39.39 | CBG | JeffM2501: That's what I was looking for. :) |
| 18:40.13 | Tupone | gentoo breaks ? |
| 18:40.20 | jpa- | Tupone: changed processor |
| 18:40.29 | jpa- | now it is just "Illegal instruction" |
| 18:40.35 | jpa- | compiling everything again :o |
| 18:40.49 | CBG | JeffM2501 tell me you dont need to change it much, like the colours, fonts, etc... :( |
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| 18:41.03 | CBG | hey BenUrban! |
| 18:41.09 | JeffM2501 | I'd like to set the colors that's all I'd need |
| 18:41.15 | CBG | bah |
| 18:41.32 | BenUrban | hiya |
| 18:44.06 | CBG | JeffM2501: this one you can only change dimensions: but is super easy to use... http://www.kaziaz.com/stuff/chat.html |
| 18:44.38 | CBG | ah, ads! :( |
| 18:46.58 | CBG | JeffM2501: this one? http://www.kaziaz.com/stuff/chat.html |
| 18:47.01 | CBG | ach, wrogn url. |
| 18:47.04 | CBG | wrong* try this: http://oggix.com/index.php?action=webcontent.demo&PHPSESSID=d481181204173b671b244880da501438 |
| 18:49.31 | JeffM2501 | how bout I give you the HTML and you hook me up one? :) |
| 18:50.07 | CBG | how about... no. |
| 18:50.14 | CBG | heh, well, lemme see. |
| 18:50.29 | CBG | I do have a life, ya know... homework...? :) |
| 18:50.38 | JeffM2501 | so did I all the times I helped you |
| 18:50.53 | CBG | no ya don't. :P |
| 18:51.16 | jpa- | JeffM2501: i could look to it some day.. if you can wait |
| 18:51.59 | CBG | JeffM2501: Embedded or framed? With or without smileys? |
| 18:52.10 | JeffM2501 | smileys would be cool |
| 18:52.41 | JeffM2501 | and I have a table in a sidebar set for it |
| 18:52.55 | CBG | so, embedded. :) |
| 18:53.09 | CBG | is an iFrame ok? |
| 18:53.21 | JeffM2501 | http://my.bzflag.org/temp/jeffm2501.zip |
| 18:53.23 | meacan | JeffM2501: you dont want a phpbb mod? |
| 18:53.25 | JeffM2501 | do they work well |
| 18:53.28 | JeffM2501 | it's NOT part of the bb |
| 18:53.31 | JeffM2501 | it's for my own page |
| 18:53.36 | meacan | aah |
| 18:53.43 | JeffM2501 | I don't mind making that page php tho |
| 18:53.47 | CBG | JeffM2501: I don't see why not. |
| 18:53.49 | JeffM2501 | I just don't know php :) |
| 18:53.54 | JeffM2501 | I have to go to lunch |
| 18:54.00 | JeffM2501 | that zip has my layout |
| 18:54.02 | JeffM2501 | you'll see it |
| 18:54.09 | JeffM2501 | any help would be apriciated |
| 18:54.10 | JeffM2501 | bbl |
| 18:54.14 | CBG | ah wait: the site says: Embed the shoutbox without using IFRAME. Shoutbox can be used as inline element or as framed box. This is the standard compliant way and best for designers who design with the web standards. |
| 18:54.23 | CBG | pf. |
| 19:04.57 | CBG | JeffM2501! http://oggix.com/index.php seems pretty darn easy to do, i'm sure even you can do it yourself. I have to go, work to do. If you still need help, speak to me tomorrow, or, if you can wait, on the weekend. |
| 19:05.36 | jpa- | :D |
| 19:05.39 | jpa- | "even you" |
| 19:05.48 | CBG | ;) |
| 19:09.14 | CBG | so, anyway. g2g... |
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| 19:32.58 | JeffM2501 | funny how when they want somone to do something for them, it's very difrent then when you want somone todo something for you ;) |
| 19:33.22 | Mr_Molez | heh |
| 19:45.07 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/ChangeLog: My changes |
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| 20:14.48 | JeffM2501 | you'd think with all the kiddies who come here and want to make changes to BZ, don't know C, yet say they are php/html/web masters, someone would know something ;) |
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| 20:23.44 | JeffM2501 | there a web nugget :) |
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| 20:59.41 | |zongo| | heya bzflaggers |
| 21:00.01 | |zongo| | i have a problem when compiling under mac osx 10.4 |
| 21:00.45 | JeffM2501 | what is the problem? |
| 21:00.55 | |zongo| | it says the following |
| 21:00.57 | |zongo| | ar: ares_version.o~ranlib: No such file or directory |
| 21:00.57 | |zongo| | make[2]: *** [libcares.la] Error 1 |
| 21:00.57 | |zongo| | make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 |
| 21:01.06 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 21:01.10 | JeffM2501 | you use fink? |
| 21:01.28 | |zongo| | hummm not that i know, i used it once maybe |
| 21:01.35 | JeffM2501 | once is enough to get ya |
| 21:01.38 | |zongo| | ahhh |
| 21:01.56 | JeffM2501 | basicly fink can install incompatable versions of libtool and automake |
| 21:02.02 | |zongo| | groml |
| 21:02.05 | JeffM2501 | you want to have fink remove them |
| 21:02.12 | JeffM2501 | the ones apple ships are fine |
| 21:02.21 | |zongo| | how can i do that? |
| 21:02.26 | JeffM2501 | let me find the post |
| 21:02.30 | |zongo| | (i am a newbie) |
| 21:02.36 | JeffM2501 | but I think it's like fink remove libtool |
| 21:02.41 | JeffM2501 | and fink remove automake |
| 21:02.45 | JeffM2501 | but let me check |
| 21:02.45 | |zongo| | ahh ok |
| 21:03.59 | JeffM2501 | yeah it'll be 'sudo fink remove libtool' |
| 21:04.04 | JeffM2501 | and then automake |
| 21:04.06 | |zongo| | ok |
| 21:04.16 | |zongo| | thx a bunch JeffM2501 |
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| 21:05.01 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 21:05.07 | |zongo| | geee...he said libtool is not installed |
| 21:05.40 | Tupone | |zongo|: you need libtool |
| 21:05.49 | I_Died_Once | greetings |
| 21:06.06 | JeffM2501 | then it's just not installed via fink |
| 21:06.07 | JeffM2501 | that's fine |
| 21:06.10 | JeffM2501 | do the same for automake |
| 21:06.12 | |zongo| | Tupone, what can i do? |
| 21:06.19 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, fink installs bad versions that overide the ones from apple |
| 21:06.26 | JeffM2501 | 10.4 ships with lib tool just fine |
| 21:07.11 | JeffM2501 | also search fink, it may be like libtool1.9 or something |
| 21:07.13 | Tupone | libtool is a command you have ? |
| 21:07.16 | JeffM2501 | and not just libtool |
| 21:07.22 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, yes he has it |
| 21:07.29 | JeffM2501 | OSX is NOT linux |
| 21:07.30 | I_Died_Once | Hi DTR |
| 21:07.35 | |zongo| | i did automake too but it said smthing weird |
| 21:07.42 | JeffM2501 | what did it say? |
| 21:07.54 | I_Died_Once | "someting wierd" |
| 21:07.57 | |zongo| | Failed: no package specified for command 'remove'! |
| 21:08.10 | JeffM2501 | then the package wasn't named automake |
| 21:08.15 | JeffM2501 | it probably has a number after it |
| 21:08.18 | JeffM2501 | one sec |
| 21:08.20 | |zongo| | ok |
| 21:08.21 | JeffM2501 | let me find it for you |
| 21:08.24 | |zongo| | thx |
| 21:08.35 | JeffM2501 | you probalby didn't do libtool via fink, just automake |
| 21:08.42 | JeffM2501 | is this system an upgrade from 10.3? |
| 21:08.47 | |zongo| | yes |
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| 21:09.18 | JeffM2501 | yeah same thing happend to me, had to use fink once to get a good automake when in 10.3, but then that one is incompatable with what is shiped in 10.4 :) |
| 21:09.33 | JeffM2501 | basicly with 10.4 all the apple suff is fine |
| 21:09.46 | |zongo| | i see |
| 21:11.04 | JeffM2501 | do fink list automake |
| 21:11.34 | |zongo| | ok |
| 21:12.11 | |zongo| | it says automake1.4 1.4-3 Tool for generating GNU Standards-compliant Makef... |
| 21:12.12 | |zongo| | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:12.12 | |zongo| | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:12.12 | |zongo| | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:12.12 | |zongo| | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:12.12 | |zongo| | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:15.13 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 21:15.21 | JeffM2501 | do sudo fink remove automake1.4 |
| 21:15.25 | JeffM2501 | if that dosn't work do 1.5 :) |
| 21:15.29 | JeffM2501 | then continue on :) |
| 21:15.35 | JeffM2501 | till one works |
| 21:16.11 | |zongo| | ehe ok |
| 21:16.14 | Tupone | lol |
| 21:16.18 | JeffM2501 | then I think you want to remove the mk4 file, then rerun ./autogen.sh |
| 21:16.22 | JeffM2501 | then configure |
| 21:16.24 | JeffM2501 | then make |
| 21:16.44 | JeffM2501 | I'm betting you have 1.8 |
| 21:16.53 | JeffM2501 | something newer then what apple has |
| 21:16.59 | JeffM2501 | they ship 1.6 now IIRC |
| 21:17.13 | Tupone | I'd not remove automake1.4, could be for some other project |
| 21:17.24 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, I would |
| 21:17.38 | JeffM2501 | the apple stuff should work for it all |
| 21:18.04 | Tupone | that is only for bzflag, other package that want to use 1.4 do not find it |
| 21:18.36 | Tupone | but if is ok for you, good |
| 21:18.45 | JeffM2501 | the problem is fink dirs happen in the path before apple dirs, and apple has versions for 1.4 |
| 21:18.50 | JeffM2501 | that work with the rest of the libs |
| 21:19.12 | JeffM2501 | the problem is the fink verions were not updated for 10.4 and don't work wtih the new apple libs that were updated |
| 21:19.34 | JeffM2501 | so if you have 10.4 best to remove fink stuff unless you have things that need versions above the apple ones |
| 21:19.58 | JeffM2501 | at least that's how that learner guy splained it to me :) |
| 21:20.17 | JeffM2501 | unlike apt, fink dosn't actualy update the system ones, but installs it's own |
| 21:20.31 | JeffM2501 | so apple's own update system can cause conflicts |
| 21:20.52 | Tupone | that guy is still learning. You should have talked with the one who developed a good cad ... don't remember the name ... brlcad perhaps ? |
| 21:21.14 | |zongo| | sry to bother, where is the mk4 file? |
| 21:21.15 | JeffM2501 | they don't talk much |
| 21:21.23 | JeffM2501 | should be in the bzflag dir |
| 21:21.28 | |zongo| | i see m4 |
| 21:21.32 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 21:21.33 | JeffM2501 | that's it |
| 21:21.38 | JeffM2501 | autosoemthing.m4? |
| 21:21.56 | |zongo| | its an entire folder here |
| 21:22.10 | JeffM2501 | I think you can just killit |
| 21:22.17 | JeffM2501 | then run autogen |
| 21:22.20 | JeffM2501 | and i'll remake it all |
| 21:22.27 | Tupone | |zongo|: I'd work removing the folder and rechecking out bzflag , or make a good cleaning of it |
| 21:22.27 | |zongo| | k |
| 21:22.36 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:22.44 | JeffM2501 | a clean cvs is best |
| 21:22.54 | |zongo| | i can do a cvs update |
| 21:23.00 | |zongo| | is this ok? |
| 21:23.02 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 21:23.05 | |zongo| | ah ok |
| 21:23.08 | JeffM2501 | that won't remove files auotgen made |
| 21:23.19 | |zongo| | k |
| 21:23.33 | JeffM2501 | basicly you want autogen to think it's running clean again |
| 21:23.49 | JeffM2501 | and not have any data from the old run |
| 21:24.32 | Tupone | JeffM2501: I helped him several times, even if I have never seen MacOSX :) |
| 21:25.18 | |zongo| | sure, i ackowledge that :P |
| 21:28.12 | |zongo| | what is the password for anon login on cvs??? |
| 21:28.16 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 21:28.22 | JeffM2501 | nothing |
| 21:28.36 | |zongo| | he doesnt understand that anymore.. |
| 21:28.46 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, you there? |
| 21:28.49 | RPG_ | yes |
| 21:28.58 | JeffM2501 | 1) I added your pause thing |
| 21:28.59 | |zongo| | or maybe im crazy |
| 21:29.11 | RPG_ | thanks |
| 21:29.22 | RPG_ | i'm assuming there's a 2)? |
| 21:29.24 | JeffM2501 | 2) can I need a web shoutbox thingy |
| 21:29.30 | JeffM2501 | in an html page |
| 21:29.33 | RPG_ | can you need? |
| 21:29.41 | JeffM2501 | no can |
| 21:29.45 | JeffM2501 | I need :) |
| 21:29.50 | RPG_ | what site? |
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| 21:30.00 | Tupone | |zongo|: you don't need cvs login, if you have not removed the .cvspass in the home |
| 21:30.10 | JeffM2501 | http://my.bzflag.org/temp/jeffm2501.zip |
| 21:30.19 | JeffM2501 | that's the html file |
| 21:30.40 | Tupone | |zongo|: http://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=3248 |
| 21:31.02 | RPG_ | it'd have to be PHP |
| 21:31.07 | RPG_ | (of couse) |
| 21:31.39 | |zongo| | Tupone, yes i am doing smthing like that |
| 21:32.19 | |zongo| | do i need to remove automake now in any case? |
| 21:32.34 | JeffM2501 | I would not mind the page being phped up |
| 21:32.50 | Tupone | try to not |
| 21:32.58 | JeffM2501 | I just don't know php |
| 21:33.01 | RPG_ | heh |
| 21:33.01 | |zongo| | k |
| 21:33.10 | RPG_ | include(file.php); is the method i'll take |
| 21:33.20 | RPG_ | either that or an iframe... |
| 21:33.20 | Tupone | you can always redo that later :) |
| 21:33.27 | JeffM2501 | I personlay don't care HOW it works |
| 21:33.31 | JeffM2501 | i just want one :) |
| 21:33.53 | RPG_ | i remember one time you said iframes were evil, do you mind if you have one? |
| 21:34.08 | JeffM2501 | they are evil inside of forums |
| 21:34.12 | Tupone | |zongo|: you are in CH now. yes ? |
| 21:34.16 | JeffM2501 | as long as it works int he major browsers I don't care |
| 21:34.20 | RPG_ | 1 more thing |
| 21:34.21 | |zongo| | Tupone, yes |
| 21:34.24 | RPG_ | do you have mysql? |
| 21:34.27 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:34.32 | JeffM2501 | it's a full linux server |
| 21:34.38 | RPG_ | oh |
| 21:34.40 | RPG_ | that's good |
| 21:34.47 | Tupone | hmm so you know my time ... I can stay for half an hour, then go sleep :) |
| 21:34.58 | |zongo| | hehe sure :) |
| 21:35.04 | Tupone | I'm sure we fix before |
| 21:35.05 | |zongo| | me too btw :P |
| 21:35.13 | JeffM2501 | it will be on the mybo machine |
| 21:35.45 | JeffM2501 | or at least the .bz macine |
| 21:35.45 | Tupone | I saw the pic ... that is the laptop you play with ? |
| 21:36.03 | |zongo| | Tupone, u mean me? |
| 21:36.07 | Tupone | yeah |
| 21:36.11 | |zongo| | yes :P |
| 21:37.06 | Tupone | :) keyboard, mouse or joystick? |
| 21:37.31 | |zongo| | previously kb, nous trackball mouse :P |
| 21:37.35 | |zongo| | now* |
| 21:38.15 | Tupone | any error from autogen ? |
| 21:38.29 | |zongo| | no |
| 21:38.35 | |zongo| | now i am doing config |
| 21:38.48 | Tupone | could you open the aclocal.m4 with an editor, to read the 1st line? |
| 21:39.07 | |zongo| | but autogen never occured problems here |
| 21:39.10 | |zongo| | yes sure |
| 21:39.42 | Tupone | aclocal 1. something ... that is trhe version |
| 21:39.45 | RPG_ | what's this website gonna be for, Jeff? |
| 21:39.49 | |zongo| | it says "# generated automatically by aclocal 1.8.5 -*- Autoconf -*- |
| 21:39.49 | |zongo| | " |
| 21:39.58 | Tupone | ok... 1.8.5 is ok |
| 21:40.23 | Tupone | you can go ahead |
| 21:40.42 | |zongo| | okies i have already done config make |
| 21:40.55 | Tupone | got any error ? |
| 21:41.09 | *** part/#bzflag valumz (n=none@lsn-boi-catv-c121-p119.vtx.ch) |
| 21:41.10 | |zongo| | yep right now |
| 21:41.17 | |zongo| | same as before |
| 21:41.23 | Tupone | ~bzpastebin |
| 21:41.25 | ibot | rumour has it, bzpastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel, and it archives too. - try http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/ |
| 21:41.48 | |zongo| | Tupone, what do u want me to pastebin? |
| 21:41.52 | |zongo| | just the error? |
| 21:42.27 | Tupone | you know the script command ? |
| 21:42.59 | Tupone | could you type scrypt and see if that works? |
| 21:43.18 | Tupone | s/y/i/ |
| 21:43.23 | Tupone | script :) |
| 21:43.44 | |zongo| | i typed script in the terminal |
| 21:43.44 | ToughShooter | |zongo|: Do you need fink for anything else? |
| 21:43.55 | |zongo| | ToughShooter, i dont think so |
| 21:44.05 | Tupone | what does it says? |
| 21:44.18 | |zongo| | Tupone, it said "Script started, output file is typescript" |
| 21:44.29 | Tupone | ok, press now ctrl-d :) |
| 21:44.41 | |zongo| | k done |
| 21:44.47 | ToughShooter | |zongo|: then why do you have fink? :o |
| 21:45.00 | |zongo| | coz i wanted to install lynx once... |
| 21:45.09 | |zongo| | and some1 told me to use fink... |
| 21:45.51 | Tupone | script is going to save whatever you write in a file (typescript) |
| 21:46.07 | Tupone | and also whatever the program write |
| 21:46.15 | |zongo| | what do i have to do now? |
| 21:46.19 | Tupone | so if you make clean |
| 21:46.43 | Tupone | I want to see the compilation of bzflag |
| 21:46.47 | Tupone | so : |
| 21:46.49 | Tupone | make clean |
| 21:46.52 | Tupone | script |
| 21:47.00 | Tupone | ./configure |
| 21:47.03 | Tupone | make |
| 21:47.06 | Tupone | ctrl-d |
| 21:47.23 | Tupone | and then upload the typescript to bzpastebin |
| 21:48.18 | Tupone | I guess the error is just : "ar: ares_version.o~ranlib: No such file or directory" but I need more info |
| 21:48.32 | |zongo| | yes that is the error |
| 21:48.48 | *** join/#bzflag Mr_Burns (n=sahrobso@cpc1-rdng6-5-0-cust20.winn.cable.ntl.com) |
| 21:49.07 | Tupone | I need to see the compilation before that, and hope for something easy to spot :/ |
| 21:50.38 | ToughShooter | |zongo|: Can you show what you're having installed with fink? I think you need to look up in fink manpage the exact parameter (I don't remember it) |
| 21:51.12 | ToughShooter | Something like fink list -i but I'm far away from being sure |
| 21:51.47 | |zongo| | Tupone, it has been pasteed |
| 21:52.25 | |zongo| | ToughShooter, i am pretty sure i only installed lynx with fink |
| 21:52.50 | ToughShooter | just to make sure nothing is interfering |
| 21:53.32 | |zongo| | i did what u said |
| 21:53.42 | *** part/#bzflag RPG_ (n=G-bus@c-24-15-87-171.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 21:54.04 | |zongo| | he gave a list where automake1.8 appears |
| 21:54.22 | Tupone | libtool --version |
| 21:54.38 | ToughShooter | Tupone: He has standard glibtool |
| 21:55.00 | |zongo| | Tupone, ltmain.sh (GNU libtool) 1.5 (1.1220 2003/04/05 19:32:58) |
| 21:55.01 | ToughShooter | His libtool is not the problem cause the version and path is the same one that I use |
| 21:55.12 | Tupone | ToughShooter: have you looked at http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/23475 |
| 21:56.39 | bryjen | that ~ looks like it should be a ; or a newline |
| 21:56.56 | ToughShooter | Tupone: Yes. I first thought it was libtool but I found out he's using the same like mine |
| 21:58.06 | ToughShooter | |zongo|: Would you be so nice to pastebin that list for a paranoid guy like me? |
| 21:58.16 | |zongo| | sure |
| 21:59.44 | |zongo| | done :P |
| 22:00.35 | Tupone | |zongo|: just as a quick fix. Do you mind going to the src/c-ares directory |
| 22:00.43 | |zongo| | k |
| 22:00.48 | Tupone | then make |
| 22:01.38 | |zongo| | done |
| 22:01.53 | Tupone | get with the mouse from the "ar cru .... "till the ~ excluded |
| 22:02.11 | Tupone | paste in a new line |
| 22:02.18 | Tupone | and press enter |
| 22:02.25 | |zongo| | in which file?? |
| 22:02.40 | Tupone | you see the ar cru command ? |
| 22:02.58 | *** join/#bzflag Mr_Burns (n=steve@cpc1-rdng6-5-0-cust20.winn.cable.ntl.com) |
| 22:03.11 | Tupone | when you make should be one of the last lines |
| 22:03.22 | |zongo| | k lemme see |
| 22:03.41 | |zongo| | i see it |
| 22:03.42 | Mr_Burns | Any admin for http://my.bzflag.org on here? |
| 22:04.00 | Tupone | ok, get all the line except the ~ and after |
| 22:04.19 | Tupone | with the mouse ... |
| 22:04.48 | ToughShooter | Call me whatever but I bet the autoconf and automake from fink are the problem |
| 22:05.08 | Tupone | whatever :) |
| 22:05.40 | Tupone | I don't know, it seems libtool :/ |
| 22:05.49 | Tupone | character set ? |
| 22:05.54 | ToughShooter | It sounds like incompatible libtool and automake versions to me |
| 22:06.00 | |zongo| | Tupone, i dont understand...i cant do what u ask me to do |
| 22:06.22 | Tupone | ar cru .libs/libcares.a ares_cancel.o ares__close_sockets.o ares_destroy.o ares_expand_name.o ares_expand_string.o ares_fds.o ares_free_hostent.o ares_free_string.o ares_gethostbyaddr.o ares_gethostbyname.o ares__get_hostent.o ares_init.o ares_mkquery.o ares_parse_a_reply.o ares_parse_ptr_reply.o ares_process.o ares_query.o ares__read_line.o ares_search.o ares_send.o ares_strerror.o ares_timeout.o ares_version.o |
| 22:06.32 | |zongo| | i know |
| 22:06.32 | Tupone | type this command at the prompt |
| 22:06.39 | |zongo| | uh ok |
| 22:07.22 | |zongo| | well i did it |
| 22:07.23 | Tupone | then : |
| 22:07.26 | Tupone | ranlib .libs/libcares.a |
| 22:07.42 | |zongo| | done |
| 22:07.50 | Tupone | now go up up |
| 22:07.59 | Tupone | and re make it |
| 22:08.04 | Tupone | not make clean |
| 22:08.05 | |zongo| | k |
| 22:08.13 | |zongo| | u mean only make? |
| 22:08.14 | ToughShooter | Tupone: I hope it helps but I think it will give similar error in next folder |
| 22:08.23 | Tupone | yeah, I want to see this |
| 22:08.52 | |zongo| | he said the _same_ error |
| 22:08.59 | Tupone | on libcares ? |
| 22:09.07 | |zongo| | ar: ares_version.o~ranlib: No such file or directory |
| 22:09.08 | |zongo| | make[2]: *** [libcares.la] Error 1 |
| 22:09.56 | Tupone | redo the same :/ |
| 22:10.01 | Tupone | so go in src/c-ares |
| 22:10.08 | |zongo| | k |
| 22:10.17 | ToughShooter | |zongo|: I would try apt-get remove automake1.8 and apt-get remove autoconf2.5 and do a fresh checkout of CVS |
| 22:10.49 | Tupone | if he remove automake1.8 he will get automake1.7 |
| 22:11.11 | Tupone | I think you should remove all automake from fink. Only a guess :/ |
| 22:11.12 | |zongo| | Tupone, btw there are two ~ and i went until the first one |
| 22:11.25 | |zongo| | btw i also copied what u wrote |
| 22:11.47 | |zongo| | ToughShooter, ill try this |
| 22:11.48 | Tupone | the problem is that is expecting another file |
| 22:12.13 | ToughShooter | It's only in my brain I don't trust anything from fink |
| 22:12.14 | Tupone | so better remove all automake from fink |
| 22:12.21 | Tupone | and even autoconf |
| 22:12.25 | Tupone | all version |
| 22:12.31 | ToughShooter | and m4 probably, too |
| 22:13.27 | Tupone | m4 ? :/ really don't know. Better remove everything you have got with fink :) |
| 22:13.43 | |zongo| | i removed automake1.8 |
| 22:13.50 | |zongo| | and dodnt have to remove others |
| 22:13.57 | |zongo| | didnt* |
| 22:14.10 | ToughShooter | I had so tried so much stuff with darwinports and these newer package versions had only lead to problems |
| 22:14.17 | ToughShooter | automake --version |
| 22:14.38 | |zongo| | 1.6.3 |
| 22:14.47 | |zongo| | GNU automake |
| 22:15.08 | |zongo| | do i have to remove this one also? |
| 22:15.16 | ToughShooter | that should be the apple one, if which automake is /usr/bin/automake |
| 22:16.19 | ToughShooter | I have 1.6.3 version of automake and compiling works |
| 22:16.54 | |zongo| | so now what can i do? |
| 22:17.10 | |zongo| | i redid make and got the same error |
| 22:17.18 | ToughShooter | There is something caching the old stuff if I remember correct |
| 22:17.21 | Tupone | clean checkout |
| 22:17.33 | |zongo| | ok |
| 22:17.34 | Tupone | once again :/ |
| 22:17.37 | |zongo| | k |
| 22:17.38 | ToughShooter | and restart terminal ;) |
| 22:17.46 | |zongo| | okies |
| 22:17.59 | ToughShooter | for a paranoid /me |
| 22:19.28 | Mr_Burns | Sorry to butt in (again) -- Any admins for http://my.bzflag.org on here? |
| 22:20.01 | |zongo| | menotume is the guy you are looking for or meacan |
| 22:20.06 | |zongo| | maybe |
| 22:20.09 | |zongo| | or not.. |
| 22:21.26 | I_Died_Once | gah |
| 22:21.57 | meacan | Mr_Burns: I got some access, but it really depends on what you need |
| 22:22.32 | Mr_Burns | Well, for the last few days, I can't browse that URL from home, but can from work. |
| 22:23.04 | Mr_Burns | Also from home, custom textures won't download into the bzflag client |
| 22:23.13 | *** join/#bzflag brad2901` (i=brad@unaffiliated/brad2901) |
| 22:23.28 | Mr_Burns | client says: "FAILURE: Got_Nothing" |
| 22:23.42 | meacan | Mr_Burns: can you ping the site? |
| 22:23.56 | Mr_Burns | but I can telnet to my.bzflag.org on port 25 (from home) |
| 22:24.03 | Mr_Burns | just a sec |
| 22:24.53 | Mr_Burns | 100% success 160mS TTL=45 |
| 22:25.17 | meacan | Mr_Burns: "Cant browse".. what does that mean? You get empty pages? |
| 22:26.07 | Mr_Burns | Browser hangs. Have restarted browser, cleared cache etc. I wondered whether the site might be blocking http for my IP of subnet? |
| 22:26.08 | *** join/#bzflag wizart (n=wizart@dsl-084-058-136-102.arcor-ip.net) |
| 22:26.43 | Mr_Burns | No page displayed at all, nor page name in window banner. |
| 22:26.57 | |zongo| | Tupone, ToughShooter, the compilation is going further than before :) |
| 22:27.01 | meacan | Mr_Burns: i doubt that. |
| 22:27.11 | Tupone | great ... can I go sleeping :) |
| 22:27.12 | Mr_Burns | It's the lack of textures in the client that's a pain. |
| 22:27.12 | meacan | Mr_Burns: have you tried telnet my.bzflag.org 80 ? |
| 22:27.20 | Mr_Burns | just a sec |
| 22:27.39 | |zongo| | Tupone, vai pure a dormire ;) caso mai ti disturbo un altro giorno :O) |
| 22:27.44 | meacan | Mr_Burns: type: GET / HTTP1/0 |
| 22:27.45 | Tupone | ciao :) |
| 22:27.53 | meacan | Mr_Burns: and: Host: my.bzflag.org |
| 22:27.54 | ToughShooter | Just because I'm paranoid that doesn't mean no one is after me :D |
| 22:27.58 | meacan | Mr_Burns: and two returns |
| 22:28.05 | |zongo| | lol |
| 22:28.38 | Mr_Burns | Connection doesn't complete (Windoze here... lemme go poke the Linux box. BRB) |
| 22:28.55 | meacan | hmm it should be: GET / HTTP/1.0 |
| 22:33.56 | Mr_Burns | Nothing happens |
| 22:34.21 | Mr_Burns | telnet says: Escape character is ^] |
| 22:34.30 | Mr_Burns | I type the GET string |
| 22:34.35 | Mr_Burns | but nothing happens |
| 22:35.19 | meacan | wierd. |
| 22:35.55 | Mr_Burns | Yup! |
| 22:36.18 | Mr_Burns | If I telnet to port 25, I can talk to the sendmail daemon fine. |
| 22:37.01 | Mr_Burns | It even does a reverse lookup on my IP and reports the wierd hostname of my ISP provided dhcp address. |
| 22:37.11 | I_Died_Once | ... |
| 22:37.41 | meacan | Mr_Burns: can you view: http://bzflag.secretplace.us ? |
| 22:37.44 | Mr_Burns | That's why I wondered if they were blocking http from my IP or ISP/subnet |
| 22:37.50 | Mr_Burns | lemme check |
| 22:38.52 | Mr_Burns | Get a name resolution error |
| 22:39.06 | I_Died_Once | n/nickserv help |
| 22:39.27 | *** join/#bzflag wegstar (n=foo@allegro/user/wegstar) |
| 22:40.02 | Mr_Burns | nslookup for bzflag.secretplace.us gives me the same IP as my.bzflag.org |
| 22:40.33 | wegstar | ~weather KSFO |
| 22:40.51 | ToughShooter | Hmm, name resolution is getting IP from one host, isn't it? |
| 22:40.56 | meacan | Mr_Burns: but you got a name resolution error? |
| 22:41.03 | I_Died_Once | ~weather WTOC |
| 22:41.13 | I_Died_Once | gah |
| 22:41.53 | ToughShooter | Maybe you got a timeout first and your DNS got the ip from another DNS between both tries |
| 22:42.41 | Mr_Burns | Browser status bar says "Waiting for bzflag.secretplace.us..." then gives up and dialogue box says |
| 22:42.42 | TimRiker | sounds like a firewall issue to me. |
| 22:42.55 | TimRiker | some transparent proxy in the middle of the two systems. |
| 22:43.05 | Mr_Burns | Please check name and try again |
| 22:44.04 | Mr_Burns | I have netgear router between cable modem and computers. Time to power-cycle the lot? |
| 22:44.24 | Mr_Burns | Prob get the same IP but restarting the router sounds like a good idea |
| 22:44.26 | Mr_Burns | ? |
| 22:44.44 | brlcad | shouldn't hurt |
| 22:46.19 | TimRiker | I doubt it's the netgear box. |
| 22:46.41 | TimRiker | more likely firewall software, or ISP doing transparent proxy etc. |
| 22:46.55 | TimRiker | try telnet to port 81 instead. it's the same http server. |
| 22:47.13 | Mr_Burns | I wondered if anyone here could look at http logs. Ok, I'll try 81. |
| 22:48.02 | TimRiker | Mr_Burns: what's your IP? I'll watch the logs. |
| 22:48.24 | TimRiker | ~nslookup cpc1-rdng6-5-0-cust20.winn.cable.ntl.com |
| 22:48.30 | Mr_Burns | Ah ha! GET on port 81 got the page! |
| 22:48.40 | Mr_Burns | That's me |
| 22:49.24 | TimRiker | DoesMyBumLookBigInThis? |
| 22:49.26 | Mr_Burns | Browser to port 81 succeeds too |
| 22:49.33 | Mr_Burns | LOL |
| 22:49.40 | Mr_Burns | What makes you say that? |
| 22:50.02 | Mr_Burns | Something to do with the name? |
| 22:50.04 | TimRiker | 81.103.102.20 - - [20/Sep/2005:06:39:21 -0700] "GET /db/?action=LIST&version=BZFS0026&callsign=DoesMyBumLookBigInThis%3F&password=[deleted] HTTP/1.1" 200 15050 "-" "-" |
| 22:50.43 | Mr_Burns | Was thet the last good conn from our IP? |
| 22:51.09 | TimRiker | then 2 callsign=Mr%5FBurns |
| 22:52.00 | TimRiker | Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.10) Gecko/20050716 Firefox/1.0.6 |
| 22:52.43 | TimRiker | so you have some funky thing blocking open communication on port 80. |
| 22:53.19 | TimRiker | -list http://my.bzflag.org:81/db should let bzflag get a list. but howcome it used to work? |
| 22:53.58 | Mr_Burns | That's the answer I hoped to get here! |
| 22:54.17 | Mr_Burns | All I can think is the Netgear has been up for a good few weeks |
| 22:54.47 | Mr_Burns | Maybe some arp cache is munged |
| 22:54.52 | TimRiker | possible. |
| 22:55.12 | TimRiker | wait... no. can't be arp, or port 81 would also be broken. |
| 22:55.33 | TimRiker | got to be a transparent proxy someplace tween you and m.b.o |
| 22:55.34 | Mr_Burns | Where we feel the pain is that the bzflag client won't download custom teztures from images.bzflag.org |
| 22:56.28 | TimRiker | so fix the broken proxy =) It is possible the proxy has broken dns etc. |
| 22:56.35 | TimRiker | other http connections work fine? |
| 22:56.45 | Mr_Burns | yup |
| 22:57.15 | Mr_Burns | even port81 as we just found out. The only problem seems to be port 80 on m.b.o !! |
| 22:57.35 | JeffM2501 | mmmmm b.o. |
| 22:58.15 | Mr_Burns | <pffft!> Aah, that's better. |
| 22:58.46 | TimRiker | all the dns servers for m.b.o seem fine. |
| 22:58.50 | TimRiker | what's better? |
| 22:59.06 | TimRiker | I don't see any more log entries from you. |
| 22:59.14 | Mr_Burns | So, before I power cycle everything and the cat, is there a way to tell bzflag client to use a different port to get custom textures? |
| 22:59.41 | TimRiker | I don't think so. I think the work gives the url to get the textures from. |
| 22:59.43 | Mr_Burns | ...sorry... arcane response to "mmmmm b.o.". Pls ignore |
| 23:00.05 | TimRiker | heh |
| 23:00.24 | TimRiker | s/work/sorld/ |
| 23:00.29 | TimRiker | argh... world. |
| 23:00.38 | JeffM2501 | hehe |
| 23:00.42 | JeffM2501 | yeah the URL is in the map |
| 23:01.04 | JeffM2501 | tho that may not be a bad enhancement |
| 23:01.09 | JeffM2501 | to let it have a port overide |
| 23:01.16 | Mr_Burns | In the log, do you see the connection just now? (port 81) |
| 23:01.18 | JeffM2501 | and maybe a preURL |
| 23:01.25 | TimRiker | you could copy the textures down to a local web server, then poison your dns for images.bzflag.org to localhost. ;-) |
| 23:01.47 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, why bother, if he had the textures just fake out the cache dir |
| 23:01.50 | TimRiker | Mr_Burns: no. |
| 23:02.02 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: aw.. what fun is that? ;-) |
| 23:02.35 | Mr_Burns | Having been to the world before, are the textures cached on the host here? |
| 23:02.38 | JeffM2501 | aww rpg left :( |
| 23:02.53 | JeffM2501 | Mr_Burns, they should be if you have your cache settings right |
| 23:04.40 | |zongo| | ToughShooter, it worked! |
| 23:05.01 | Mr_Burns | ok, thx all, it's late here. Will power cycle everything here and cross fingers. |
| 23:05.10 | TimRiker | k |
| 23:05.24 | |zongo| | thank you all for helping me, thx JeffM2501 as well! |
| 23:05.38 | JeffM2501 | did you get it worked out? |
| 23:05.40 | ToughShooter | |zongo|: yay! |
| 23:05.43 | JeffM2501 | sorry I had to go off to work |
| 23:05.44 | |zongo| | and thx all the devs for this great game ;) |
| 23:05.52 | JeffM2501 | cool, glad it worked |
| 23:06.14 | ToughShooter | Paranoism has helped ;) |
| 23:06.15 | |zongo| | cu laterz all! |
| 23:06.17 | Mr_Burns | ..ALL.. Work - gets in the way of everything |
| 23:06.18 | ToughShooter | cya |
| 23:06.20 | |zongo| | lol hehe |
| 23:06.31 | Mr_Burns | Thanks and ttfn |
| 23:06.48 | ToughShooter | Now I can go to bed, too |
| 23:07.16 | *** part/#bzflag Mr_Burns (n=steve@cpc1-rdng6-5-0-cust20.winn.cable.ntl.com) |
| 23:33.47 | *** join/#bzflag _bubbles_ (n=nadic666@toronto-HSE-ppp4267043.sympatico.ca) |
| 23:43.27 | *** join/#bzflag UK_Monkey (n=54451089@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 23:47.52 | *** join/#bzflag uk_monkey (n=54451089@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 23:50.08 | *** join/#bzflag wizart (n=wizart@dsl-084-058-135-006.arcor-ip.net) |
| 23:54.40 | *** join/#bzflag SportChick (n=SportChi@ca-redbch-cuda1-c3b-a-40.stmnca.adelphia.net) |
| 23:56.44 | *** join/#bzflag UK_Monkey (n=icechat5@user-4233.lns3-c11.dsl.pol.co.uk) |
| 23:58.28 | *** join/#bzflag triclops (n=triclops@203-206-249-42.dyn.iinet.net.au) |