| 00:20.17 | *** join/#bzflag Silent_Swan (n=silent@adsl-64-108-223-145.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) |
| 00:24.21 | *** join/#bzflag Tegan (n=lyra@eacb02-00-cmmgga-70-34-176-23.atlaga.adelphia.net) |
| 00:24.27 | Tegan | hi |
| 00:24.36 | Aribeth | hi |
| 00:24.39 | Tegan | I'm stuck in a spinning ghost tank at secretplace. |
| 00:25.00 | Tegan | it can't spawn, but it can jump |
| 00:25.04 | Aribeth | heh |
| 00:25.08 | Tegan | you can ride with it |
| 00:25.19 | Tegan | bring dramamine if you do |
| 00:25.51 | Aribeth | bug |
| 00:26.18 | *** join/#bzflag DarkMaster (n=Apathy@pcp0011645240pcs.aberdn01.md.comcast.net) |
| 00:27.21 | Silent_Swan | nothing like a good bout of motion sickness to keep things moving |
| 00:28.14 | Tegan | hi Silent_Swan |
| 00:28.21 | Silent_Swan | greetings |
| 00:29.33 | blast007 | Tegan: was that just a one-time-thing? (a.k.a. does a simple rejoin fix it?) |
| 00:30.50 | Tegan | I think so, it is very rare. |
| 00:32.14 | blast007 | probably happens when the cl |
| 00:32.21 | blast007 | er |
| 00:32.31 | blast007 | probably happens when the client things you jumped after you were already dead |
| 00:32.54 | blast007 | at least, that's how it happens for me, but that's only cuz I had modified stuff |
| 00:33.33 | Silent_Swan | i don't even have anything to watch with |
| 00:37.02 | Tegan | no this is no mod client. |
| 00:37.11 | Tegan | and yes, rejoining works |
| 00:38.34 | blast007 | does hitting the ` key do anything? |
| 00:39.04 | Tegan | yes, that's my binoculars key |
| 00:39.41 | blast007 | oh, nvm then |
| 00:39.59 | blast007 | thing that once locked the rotation/speed of a tank |
| 00:40.12 | blast007 | maybe only in debug builds |
| 00:40.28 | Tegan | cool, was it useable as a parking brake? |
| 00:41.01 | blast007 | yeah :) |
| 00:41.36 | Tegan | that would be useful |
| 00:41.58 | Silent_Swan | um... why? |
| 00:42.00 | blast007 | I used to bump it when I was reaching for '1' though |
| 00:43.19 | blast007 | ah yes, it's called "motion freeze" |
| 00:43.34 | blast007 | only put in if FREEZING is defined |
| 00:46.00 | uso | locking the rotation speed? is there a binding for that key? |
| 00:46.08 | blast007 | it's hard coded |
| 00:46.19 | blast007 | and not included by default |
| 00:47.13 | uso | hmm, may be useful to prevent my spinning jumps ;) |
| 00:47.42 | uso | most advantage of the keyboard players |
| 00:47.43 | Silent_Swan | i often had this nasty habit of spinning to the left when jumping |
| 00:48.01 | Silent_Swan | and i could never quite get the hang of playing with they kbd only |
| 00:48.01 | blast007 | the only thing it helped me with was bumping it and uncontrollably driving out from behind a building |
| 00:51.56 | Silent_Swan | perhaps i should learn the keyboard-only method... seems all the best players do that |
| 00:52.07 | Silent_Swan | well, many of them |
| 00:54.39 | Silent_Swan | either way, i've decided to refrain from the game 'til i get my new computer ready... this one is having too many "issues" lately... besides, i have no time anymore |
| 00:58.26 | uso | never say never :) |
| 00:58.31 | *** join/#bzflag Naka (n=chatzill@dialup-4.129.84.15.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) |
| 00:58.52 | Silent_Swan | unfortunately, i may need it for a) photo editing, b) music editing (logic and finale) |
| 00:59.51 | Silent_Swan | perhaps i should get a cheap mac mini for that... i *refuse* to buy a mac with a (w)intel chip in it |
| 01:04.28 | Silent_Swan | well, since this is mostly a monologue, perhaps i'd best go make a phone call instead |
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| 01:44.43 | *** join/#bzflag killick (n=damon@68.33.204.41) |
| 01:46.32 | killick | Anyone know how to get BZFlag sound working on Linux? |
| 01:46.55 | Tegan | do you have sound working otherwise? |
| 01:47.14 | killick | Yes, in Gnome, all my 'events' make noises, I can play music, etc. |
| 01:47.41 | killick | but the BZflag options says 'sound unavailable' |
| 01:48.01 | killick | I'm running SuSE 9.3. |
| 01:48.52 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:49.18 | killick | Ah, of course! :-) The sound thingy. How do you close it? |
| 01:49.36 | JeffM2501 | it's your OS, you should know how to use it ;) |
| 01:49.40 | killick | And can it be opened after the shooting & killing & exploding? |
| 01:50.03 | JeffM2501 | usualy depnends on our sound card, and what sound APIs your linux is using |
| 01:50.28 | killick | It's been my OS for about 3 weeks. I don't know what my sound API is. alsa, maybe? |
| 01:50.33 | *** join/#bzflag RPG_ (n=G-bus@c-24-15-87-171.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 01:50.45 | JeffM2501 | what card do you have? |
| 01:51.10 | killick | I'll try and see. Just a minute. |
| 01:52.18 | RPG_ | What's a good media player (MP3, MPEG) for Linux? |
| 01:52.33 | killick | Um. It might be an 82801 1 FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller. |
| 01:52.55 | JeffM2501 | what ever that is |
| 01:52.59 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, xing |
| 01:53.53 | JeffM2501 | or no, it's some other name that starts with X |
| 01:54.22 | killick | My system is 'probing' itself. I might know more in 30 sec. |
| 01:54.25 | RPG_ | i couldn't find anything "xing" on google |
| 01:54.39 | killick | RPG_ I use a Slimserver and play music with Softsqueeze. |
| 01:54.44 | JeffM2501 | mplayer |
| 01:54.45 | JeffM2501 | that's it |
| 01:55.14 | RPG_ | does it do MP3 thouhg? |
| 01:55.23 | JeffM2501 | does all storts of stuff |
| 01:55.29 | JeffM2501 | depending on what you have installed for it |
| 01:55.42 | JeffM2501 | there is also XMMS |
| 01:56.08 | JeffM2501 | www.xmms.org |
| 01:56.20 | JeffM2501 | it's like linux winamp |
| 01:56.23 | blast007 | xine |
| 01:57.34 | purple_cow | raise your hand if you remember when it was called x11amp :) |
| 01:57.34 | RPG_ | looks good |
| 01:57.43 | killick | JeffM, my card uses an HDA Intel driver. As far as I can learn, that 82801 is my sound device. |
| 01:58.01 | JeffM2501 | killick, then it may only be able to have one sound source at a time |
| 01:58.10 | JeffM2501 | many chezzy chipsets have that limit |
| 01:58.31 | purple_cow | really the only well-supported sound card on linux is the sblive :P |
| 01:58.42 | killick | hokay...the odd thing is that I HAD sound the first day I played BZflag. |
| 01:58.50 | JeffM2501 | what did you change then? |
| 01:58.57 | JeffM2501 | software dosn't change itself |
| 01:59.05 | JeffM2501 | was posibly the gnome sound thing turned off? |
| 01:59.23 | killick | About 80 things. It was a brand new machine, with Linux pre-installed. |
| 01:59.45 | killick | I was hopping between KDE & Gnome, etc. I don't remember messing with any sound settings though. |
| 01:59.46 | JeffM2501 | then when it worked you probably didn't have the gnome sound thing turned on |
| 01:59.51 | JeffM2501 | or some other software is geting in the way |
| 02:00.12 | killick | It may be when I was trying out the different music players that came installed. |
| 02:00.43 | killick | www.slimdevices.com for Slimserver software. |
| 02:01.08 | killick | I guess I'll take my woes to the Gnome people. :0 |
| 02:01.16 | killick | Thanks, Jeff. |
| 02:05.30 | *** join/#bzflag Silent_Swan (n=silent@adsl-64-108-223-145.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) |
| 02:05.52 | JeffM2501 | and that's how I saved Christmass |
| 02:06.11 | Silent_Swan | i figured you had something to do with it :) |
| 02:06.18 | JeffM2501 | sadly |
| 02:06.25 | JeffM2501 | it was ether that or loose the moon |
| 02:06.41 | JeffM2501 | and I do so love the cookies they make then |
| 02:07.08 | Silent_Swan | i'm just waiting for the peanut-butter girlscout cookies |
| 02:07.12 | Silent_Swan | oooh i love those things |
| 02:08.09 | Silent_Swan | ew |
| 02:08.24 | Aribeth | well, they arn't secrets anymore are they. |
| 02:08.25 | RPG_ | they're in a freezer :) |
| 02:08.28 | JeffM2501 | umm you keep your fanny stuff to yourself |
| 02:08.39 | RPG_ | hehe, the candies |
| 02:09.01 | RPG_ | weren't there FAnnie May stores where you all live? |
| 02:09.03 | *** part/#bzflag killick (n=damon@68.33.204.41) |
| 02:09.06 | JeffM2501 | is it made with real girl scouts? |
| 02:09.16 | Silent_Swan | JeffM2501 i was *waiting* for that :) |
| 02:09.32 | JeffM2501 | I know you were |
| 02:09.39 | JeffM2501 | and I could not stand to disapoint |
| 02:09.43 | Silent_Swan | heh |
| 02:10.00 | JeffM2501 | mum allways said to give the ladies what they want |
| 02:10.36 | Silent_Swan | right, could have 2 pounds of dark chocolate, 12 chocolate covered strawberries... um... chocolate-covered marshmallows... umm.... |
| 02:10.39 | Silent_Swan | should i write this down? |
| 02:10.54 | JeffM2501 | email is best |
| 02:11.09 | Silent_Swan | your server may reject it as too big |
| 02:11.15 | JeffM2501 | naw |
| 02:11.18 | JeffM2501 | I set it up :) |
| 02:11.43 | Tegan | give me 2 of whatever she's having please |
| 02:11.59 | Silent_Swan | if nothing else, i'm lucky to have the metabolic rate of a hummingbird |
| 02:12.10 | JeffM2501 | burn baby burn |
| 02:12.26 | Tegan | neat, I've always wanted to see a swan hover |
| 02:12.42 | Silent_Swan | it's an acquired skill |
| 02:13.01 | JeffM2501 | it's all a matter of thrust |
| 02:14.03 | Naka | How would one go about putting a music video file on the internet? |
| 02:14.05 | Silent_Swan | which one is that? |
| 02:14.18 | JeffM2501 | Kull the Conquorer |
| 02:14.39 | RPG_ | P2P!! P2P!! |
| 02:14.47 | JeffM2501 | Naka, if you don't know what a webhost is, then your not ready to put things in 'the internet' |
| 02:15.05 | Naka | Most I've done was geocities |
| 02:15.25 | Tegan | does it have dancing tanks? |
| 02:15.28 | JeffM2501 | then learn some more about bandwith :) |
| 02:15.30 | Naka | peoplepc might give me some hosting space |
| 02:16.09 | blast007 | as Jeff has mentions, bandwidth is more important if you are planning on having many people download the file |
| 02:16.18 | Naka | No |
| 02:16.35 | Naka | Is looking at the same as downlaoding I soppose |
| 02:16.47 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 02:16.53 | Naka | heh |
| 02:17.05 | JeffM2501 | it all uses the same bandwith to get the data of the file to the end uer |
| 02:17.06 | JeffM2501 | user |
| 02:17.08 | JeffM2501 | learn more |
| 02:17.09 | JeffM2501 | read |
| 02:17.10 | JeffM2501 | grow |
| 02:17.30 | Naka | yeesh |
| 02:17.38 | blast007 | better to put it in a zip file so they have to download, instead of them streaming it 50 times |
| 02:17.54 | RPG_ | blast007: wouldn't it play from cache starting the 2nd time ? |
| 02:18.01 | JeffM2501 | blast007, most things will cahce |
| 02:18.38 | blast007 | cache may only stick around so long |
| 02:19.11 | JeffM2501 | how big is the file? |
| 02:19.12 | *** join/#bzflag cosmol (n=dave@66-169-152-99.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) |
| 02:19.38 | Naka | Why would they look at it a second time? |
| 02:19.47 | Naka | umm |
| 02:19.50 | JeffM2501 | umm if they wanted to see it again? |
| 02:19.50 | Naka | 20 to 60 meg |
| 02:19.54 | JeffM2501 | that's big |
| 02:20.14 | JeffM2501 | how many people do you want to see it and how are you going to promote it? |
| 02:20.34 | Naka | If it will be better I would just put a song and no vide4meg to 6meg |
| 02:20.50 | Naka | Myspace.com mostly |
| 02:20.57 | JeffM2501 | is this for like your band or something? |
| 02:21.08 | Naka | nope |
| 02:21.22 | JeffM2501 | do you have rights to distribute the song and video? |
| 02:21.30 | RPG_ | it's a fad; people put music videos on their "xangas" and "myspaces" because everyoen else does it |
| 02:21.40 | Naka | YES! |
| 02:21.44 | Naka | :D |
| 02:21.47 | JeffM2501 | then get a host |
| 02:21.49 | JeffM2501 | and host it |
| 02:21.51 | Naka | naa Im just curious |
| 02:21.57 | JeffM2501 | expect a couple 100 gigs a month |
| 02:22.10 | Naka | hmmm |
| 02:22.31 | JeffM2501 | how about dancing lazer guided mortar operators? |
| 02:23.18 | Tegan | now there's an idea... a flag that requires cooperation with a tank with another flag |
| 02:23.29 | trepan | RvB, a worthwhile d/l |
| 02:24.14 | RPG_ | Naka: what video do you wanna hsot? |
| 02:24.20 | JeffM2501 | trepan, better on DVD |
| 02:24.34 | JeffM2501 | Tegan, why would a flag have a weapon? why not just pick up the weapon :) |
| 02:24.51 | trepan | bzflag -> bzfrag |
| 02:24.55 | Naka | RPG: Im probably gonna go to a song only kinda deal |
| 02:26.01 | RPG_ | i've only seen those music-video myspaces, don't have one, personally i hate them because 99% of the time i'm listening to my own music, and then i have someone else's music going along with it, and the REALLY annoying xangas will turn off the stop button on their videos, so I have to mute my whole system if i wanna read it. |
| 02:26.38 | Naka | musicvideocodes.com |
| 02:26.45 | Naka | thats where they get them from RPG |
| 02:27.13 | Naka | I added a music video from there to my bz site |
| 02:27.24 | RPG_ | what's your BZ site? |
| 02:27.30 | RPG_ | like the URL |
| 02:27.32 | Silent_Swan | i suspect i'm up for an all-nighter |
| 02:28.08 | RPG_ | i wish i was :( |
| 02:28.10 | Naka | RPG its me BIYA |
| 02:28.18 | Silent_Swan | the last 2 nights were all-nighters |
| 02:28.25 | JeffM2501 | doing what? |
| 02:28.25 | RPG_ | i gotta be the only school in the US that doesn't have columbus day of |
| 02:28.28 | Silent_Swan | this'll be rough... i have to go to a concert monday night |
| 02:28.30 | JeffM2501 | something fun at least I hope? |
| 02:28.44 | RPG_ | haha good one BIYA |
| 02:28.53 | Naka | www.geocities.com/tanktuner/biyas_page.httml |
| 02:28.58 | Naka | www.geocities.com/tanktuner/biyas_page.html |
| 02:28.59 | Silent_Swan | http://www.skokievalleysymphony.org/ <- daniel barenboim... i will not miss this |
| 02:29.08 | Naka | I had to have a registered name so :P |
| 02:29.10 | RPG_ | denied... |
| 02:29.10 | RPG_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:29.12 | Silent_Swan | besides, i was given free tickets from someone on the board of directors :) |
| 02:29.23 | RPG_ | free tickets! |
| 02:29.25 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 02:29.30 | RPG_ | i got free tickest to a weird al concert once |
| 02:29.45 | JeffM2501 | last thing I saw was john williams |
| 02:29.47 | JeffM2501 | that was fun |
| 02:30.44 | Naka | denied? |
| 02:30.45 | Silent_Swan | people keep telling me i should get back actively in music |
| 02:30.55 | Silent_Swan | don't think i'd have the time anymore |
| 02:31.10 | Naka | http://www.geocities.com/tanktuner/biyas_page.html |
| 02:31.27 | JeffM2501 | what do you play? |
| 02:31.34 | Silent_Swan | piano, mainly |
| 02:31.44 | Silent_Swan | also studied cello and oboe for a number of years |
| 02:31.54 | Silent_Swan | and i mess with other instruments |
| 02:32.07 | purple_cow | yay cello |
| 02:32.09 | Silent_Swan | played "semi-professionally" for about 6 years |
| 02:32.18 | JeffM2501 | wow |
| 02:32.22 | Silent_Swan | purple_cow you a cellist? |
| 02:32.38 | purple_cow | yep |
| 02:32.46 | Silent_Swan | :) ever play the dvorak? |
| 02:32.59 | Silent_Swan | god, i hired a teacher specifically to work on just that piece |
| 02:33.03 | purple_cow | of course ;) |
| 02:33.09 | Silent_Swan | it's by far my fav. |
| 02:33.37 | Tegan | the dvorak cello... what is there a space in the middle with no strings? |
| 02:33.49 | Silent_Swan | but it's been since... i think '96 or so since i even played cello at all |
| 02:34.16 | Silent_Swan | i tried learning the dvorak keyboard... |
| 02:34.31 | Silent_Swan | figured it wasn't really something i needed to do |
| 02:34.40 | Tegan | or is that the one with keys arranged by frequency? |
| 02:35.18 | Silent_Swan | http://www.classical.net/music/comp.lst/dvorak.html |
| 02:35.50 | Tegan | oh *that* dvorak |
| 02:38.51 | JeffM2501 | ibot nslookup sasami.bakadigital.com |
| 02:39.08 | Tegan | open sasami |
| 02:39.48 | RPG_ | http://scholar.google.com/ |
| 02:39.53 | RPG_ | they just won't stop, will they? |
| 02:40.08 | Silent_Swan | hah |
| 02:40.26 | Silent_Swan | i'm beginning to have philosophical "issues" with google |
| 02:40.38 | Tegan | http://allyourbase.google.com/ (j/k) |
| 02:40.49 | RPG_ | They're definately going for the monopoly |
| 02:40.58 | JeffM2501 | can anyone http to that? |
| 02:41.01 | Silent_Swan | but then, i have philosophical issues with most things |
| 02:41.09 | RPG_ | BZFlag? |
| 02:41.27 | Silent_Swan | yes |
| 02:41.28 | Silent_Swan | that too |
| 02:41.30 | Silent_Swan | hehe |
| 02:42.07 | Silent_Swan | <- too high-strung |
| 02:42.13 | Silent_Swan | brb |
| 02:42.49 | *** join/#bzflag BIYA (n=chatzill@dialup-4.129.80.253.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) |
| 02:43.27 | BIYA | WARNING to everyone NEVEr get PeoplePC |
| 02:43.43 | JeffM2501 | never get dialup |
| 02:43.52 | RPG_ | what's wrong with PeoplePC? |
| 02:43.59 | JeffM2501 | it's dialup |
| 02:44.05 | RPG_ | dialup is 1990's |
| 02:46.13 | BIYA | Hey just because I live in the middle of nowhere doesnt mean you can make fun of my connection :) |
| 02:46.23 | BIYA | But its crappy internet service al together |
| 02:46.24 | Silent_Swan | that is sooooooo '90's man :) |
| 02:46.58 | RPG_ | come out from under your rock |
| 02:47.05 | RPG_ | ;) |
| 02:47.32 | BIYA | Its either blow my money on Satelite or stick with this |
| 02:47.37 | BIYA | I choose dialup |
| 02:47.43 | JeffM2501 | MOVE |
| 02:47.53 | BIYA | Tell that to my parents!!! |
| 02:48.16 | JeffM2501 | umm, no, you, your there kid |
| 02:48.31 | BIYA | I've asked plunny of times |
| 02:48.39 | RPG_ | 65 degreese |
| 02:48.51 | RPG_ | don't know if it's on , or if it's just my CPUoverheating |
| 02:48.55 | Silent_Swan | haha |
| 02:48.59 | BIYA | We are poor... We can move until the house is done or if we win the lottery |
| 02:49.16 | Silent_Swan | i wasn't home the last 2 nights, but i came in today and it was chilly... feel sorry for my poor birds |
| 02:49.22 | JeffM2501 | then save money by not using dialup :) |
| 02:49.24 | RPG_ | yes it was chilly :0 |
| 02:49.32 | BIYA | And I dont see any of those things happening anytime soon so |
| 02:50.06 | JeffM2501 | can anyone get here? |
| 02:50.08 | JeffM2501 | http://sasami.bakadigital.com/temp/clouds.png |
| 02:50.24 | RPG_ | i see blue sky! |
| 02:50.26 | BIYA | yes |
| 02:50.27 | Silent_Swan | yep |
| 02:50.31 | Tegan | yes |
| 02:50.33 | RPG_ | here comes some crosshairs |
| 02:50.36 | Silent_Swan | a bit slow, but it's there |
| 02:50.38 | JeffM2501 | o |
| 02:50.39 | JeffM2501 | hmmm |
| 02:50.41 | RPG_ | ...a CHEAT CLIENT?!?!?! |
| 02:50.44 | JeffM2501 | well it's my house |
| 02:50.48 | BIYA | im still on the sky! |
| 02:50.50 | RPG_ | j/k |
| 02:50.52 | BIYA | n:D |
| 02:50.56 | JeffM2501 | yeah RPG_ I am totaly a secret cheat client maker |
| 02:50.59 | JeffM2501 | that's what I really do |
| 02:51.14 | JeffM2501 | hmm if I use my external DNS I get refused |
| 02:51.20 | JeffM2501 | but at least it's routing |
| 02:52.06 | BIYA | Is this goin to be implemented? |
| 02:52.13 | JeffM2501 | is what? |
| 02:52.30 | RPG_ | BIYA: he's talking about his DNS sytem, not BZFlag |
| 02:52.38 | BIYA | would be called an interface? |
| 02:52.46 | Tegan | will the radar have a beam that sweeps around? |
| 02:52.48 | BIYA | no |
| 02:52.48 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 02:52.51 | BIYA | BZ |
| 02:53.04 | JeffM2501 | who said anything about BZ? |
| 02:53.11 | BIYA | The screenie |
| 02:53.16 | Silent_Swan | hmm |
| 02:53.20 | JeffM2501 | that's not bz |
| 02:53.22 | Tegan | the radar beam... it cycles around |
| 02:53.30 | Silent_Swan | what is it, then? |
| 02:53.31 | Tegan | like ... radar |
| 02:53.37 | JeffM2501 | Tegan, no it has a ring that expands out, like the motion sensor on aliens |
| 02:53.50 | BIYA | It looks like it would be neat to have bzs radar like that though |
| 02:54.04 | Silent_Swan | oh bugger, i really need to visit the dentist... |
| 02:54.05 | Silent_Swan | arrgh |
| 02:54.08 | JeffM2501 | that is mjolnir |
| 02:54.10 | Tegan | now? |
| 02:54.12 | JeffM2501 | hammer of the gods |
| 02:54.21 | Silent_Swan | yes NOW |
| 02:54.24 | BIYA | Mjonir 0.0.1 I seen |
| 02:54.31 | RPG_ | run! |
| 02:54.34 | RPG_ | to Grove Dental! |
| 02:54.34 | Tegan | ok cya then |
| 02:54.42 | Tegan | wait... I have pliers |
| 02:54.43 | BIYA | I was wandering if the bz's screen could look ike this |
| 02:54.50 | Silent_Swan | i have a cracked tooth, i think |
| 02:54.52 | JeffM2501 | anything is possible |
| 02:54.52 | BIYA | It looks very neat |
| 02:54.55 | JeffM2501 | oh those hurt |
| 02:54.58 | RPG_ | oh jeez |
| 02:55.02 | Silent_Swan | it'll end up being my 2nd crown... or a root canal |
| 02:55.02 | RPG_ | winXP really fuddled up his sig |
| 02:55.09 | Tegan | that's no fun |
| 02:55.18 | JeffM2501 | yes he did |
| 02:55.30 | Silent_Swan | it's fine unless i actually attempt to chew on it.. which i just did |
| 02:55.37 | JeffM2501 | eagle wanted me to make him one |
| 02:55.37 | RPG_ | and it links to imageshack |
| 02:55.51 | JeffM2501 | wonder if I should screw with him and make him the one I used for sorch |
| 02:56.02 | Silent_Swan | given my current substantially reduced income, perhaps pliers would be the better option |
| 02:56.06 | RPG_ | the one for scorch? |
| 02:56.36 | JeffM2501 | http://sasami.bakadigital.com/temp/n00bsig.png |
| 02:56.49 | RPG_ | HAHA! |
| 02:56.59 | JeffM2501 | is only responce |
| 02:57.00 | Silent_Swan | :) |
| 02:57.03 | JeffM2501 | "I don't use AOL" |
| 02:57.08 | BIYA | There should be a free dental clinci around there sompla ce |
| 02:57.09 | RPG_ | eagle would have no clue what that means |
| 02:57.09 | Silent_Swan | uh huh |
| 02:57.10 | RPG_ | do it |
| 02:57.15 | JeffM2501 | I told him AOL was a state of mind |
| 02:57.16 | Silent_Swan | BIYA i have insurance |
| 02:57.23 | Silent_Swan | but it still costs me a fortune |
| 02:57.28 | Silent_Swan | at least the last crown did |
| 02:57.29 | BIYA | hmm |
| 02:57.39 | Silent_Swan | but then, i could afford it |
| 02:57.50 | BIYA | Those Dental Schools around here only except half the payment... |
| 02:58.02 | RPG_ | JeffM2501: can you post the .psd of that image? |
| 02:58.04 | Silent_Swan | no, i've already had at least one incompetent dentist |
| 02:58.10 | RPG_ | hehe..... |
| 02:58.14 | JeffM2501 | doubt I have it anymore |
| 02:58.41 | JeffM2501 | if I have it, it's in that dir |
| 02:58.48 | BIYA | I had one dentist not the schools dentists but one that graduated drill a hole in my tooth!! for no reason!!!!! |
| 02:58.57 | Silent_Swan | ! |
| 02:59.17 | BIYA | No kidding... |
| 02:59.30 | Silent_Swan | one i had a while back messed up several fillings (among other things) which is why i'm having trouble now |
| 02:59.34 | BIYA | then I had to get it filled and fixed at the schools detistry |
| 02:59.43 | Silent_Swan | TMJ, bruxism, cracked teeth |
| 02:59.44 | RPG_ | a school dentistry? |
| 02:59.57 | BIYA | IDK what its called |
| 03:00.07 | RPG_ | like, dentist in the school? |
| 03:00.11 | BIYA | but its a place where students learn off of real partients |
| 03:00.16 | RPG_ | ohh |
| 03:00.18 | RPG_ | like an internship |
| 03:00.22 | BIYA | patients* |
| 03:00.25 | BIYA | yes |
| 03:02.03 | Silent_Swan | i've considered going into dental hygiene or something... |
| 03:02.14 | Silent_Swan | RPG_ come here so i can experiment on you |
| 03:02.36 | RPG_ | alright |
| 03:02.50 | RPG_ | let me put on 4 layers of clothing |
| 03:03.02 | RPG_ | then walk 5 miles |
| 03:03.03 | BIYA | Yay |
| 03:03.13 | Naka | woohoo |
| 03:03.20 | Silent_Swan | my biggest fear is if i did get into that field, i'd get some patient with some hideous dental disease and i'd puke |
| 03:03.29 | RPG_ | in his FACE! |
| 03:03.35 | Silent_Swan | oops, sorry :) |
| 03:03.46 | RPG_ | silent swan is not slated for dentistry |
| 03:03.49 | Silent_Swan | let me just get that for you |
| 03:03.57 | Silent_Swan | RPG_ yeah, probably correct |
| 03:03.58 | RPG_ | and the frightening thing is i'd probably be her patient :X |
| 03:04.04 | Silent_Swan | *grin* |
| 03:04.31 | Silent_Swan | i had a hard enough time with high-school biology class... ugh |
| 03:04.40 | JeffM2501 | Tegan, you probably want a radar like this tho, http://saasami/bakadigital.com/temp/screamers/imgs/GroundObject.png |
| 03:04.46 | Naka | Silent swan I suggest animals would be somthing alittle less costly to practice on |
| 03:04.52 | Silent_Swan | uhhh |
| 03:04.53 | Silent_Swan | no |
| 03:05.02 | Silent_Swan | i like animals too much |
| 03:05.04 | Naka | Dummies? |
| 03:05.11 | Silent_Swan | i'd rather practice on people. i don't like people as much :) |
| 03:05.19 | Naka | Yeesh |
| 03:05.23 | Tegan | that redirects to someplace that returns a 404 |
| 03:05.32 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 03:05.55 | JeffM2501 | http://sasami.bakadigital.com/temp/screamers/imgs/GroundObject.png |
| 03:06.17 | JeffM2501 | is there a hosts file on OSX? |
| 03:06.33 | Silent_Swan | yes |
| 03:06.33 | JeffM2501 | like if I want to statly map a domain to a lan IP? |
| 03:06.38 | JeffM2501 | where |
| 03:06.40 | Silent_Swan | same as BSD |
| 03:06.45 | Silent_Swan | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:06.47 | Silent_Swan | but |
| 03:06.51 | Silent_Swan | and here's the fun part |
| 03:07.00 | Silent_Swan | you will need to edit your netinfo database too |
| 03:07.13 | Silent_Swan | it's an apple thing, you wouldn't understand... i don't either. |
| 03:07.15 | JeffM2501 | where is that? |
| 03:07.27 | Silent_Swan | well |
| 03:07.29 | Pimpinella | link works for me |
| 03:07.31 | Silent_Swan | try putting it in hosts first |
| 03:07.47 | Silent_Swan | if that doesn't work, then go to Applications->Utilities->Netinfo Manager |
| 03:07.58 | Tegan | JeffM2501 I was thinking of something more like this http://gifbrothers.com/gifwork/Radar2004.gif |
| 03:08.00 | JeffM2501 | that worked :) |
| 03:08.08 | Silent_Swan | ok |
| 03:08.20 | Tegan | tanks fade after the sweep passes, and all |
| 03:08.28 | JeffM2501 | Tegan, those end up chessy in game |
| 03:08.32 | JeffM2501 | tried it |
| 03:08.34 | RPG_ | isn't that more "sonar" than "radar"? |
| 03:08.34 | Tegan | ah, aha |
| 03:08.46 | Silent_Swan | that is how a proper radar works |
| 03:08.49 | JeffM2501 | a radial "bong" is better at game play |
| 03:08.50 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 03:08.55 | Silent_Swan | bong? |
| 03:08.56 | Tegan | uh oh |
| 03:08.56 | Silent_Swan | oh |
| 03:08.57 | Silent_Swan | nm |
| 03:09.03 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 03:09.03 | Tegan | down girl |
| 03:09.05 | JeffM2501 | ;) |
| 03:09.06 | Silent_Swan | haha |
| 03:09.13 | JeffM2501 | mine is more like a sonar thing |
| 03:09.24 | JeffM2501 | make em fade for a bit after the ring gets to them |
| 03:09.30 | JeffM2501 | or not show if they don't move |
| 03:09.55 | JeffM2501 | real radars now are just images on a computer screens, they often have multiple emmiters, and don't "sweep" |
| 03:10.31 | JeffM2501 | an F117 radar performs like 1,000,000 seeps a second |
| 03:11.12 | JeffM2501 | I also want buldings to block or distort radar |
| 03:11.28 | Silent_Swan | ah that'd be interesting |
| 03:11.38 | Pimpinella | new ship radars emit enough energy to roast a chicken in front of them within a minute |
| 03:11.55 | JeffM2501 | things like stealth would help hide you better, but of you got realy close and shot, you'd still show a bit |
| 03:11.56 | Silent_Swan | perhaps a flag to generate bogus radar reflectiosn |
| 03:12.06 | JeffM2501 | chaff :) |
| 03:12.17 | JeffM2501 | well I also want to remove flags as powerups |
| 03:12.21 | JeffM2501 | make them real powerups |
| 03:12.25 | JeffM2501 | flags are for CTF |
| 03:12.30 | Naka | Still looking forward no a Radar Flag |
| 03:12.36 | Naka | to* |
| 03:12.39 | JeffM2501 | but then I'm crazy |
| 03:12.47 | RPG_ | woudl the man allow it? |
| 03:12.53 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 03:12.57 | Silent_Swan | all hail the man |
| 03:13.03 | JeffM2501 | but the man can't saying about a fork |
| 03:13.08 | RPG_ | the Lugal! |
| 03:13.10 | Silent_Swan | uh oh |
| 03:13.19 | Silent_Swan | fork can be a 4-letter word |
| 03:13.28 | JeffM2501 | if you do it right :) |
| 03:13.43 | Silent_Swan | i hear no evil, see no evil, do ... a little evil |
| 03:13.50 | JeffM2501 | grumber's fave shot -> http://sasami.bakadigital.com/temp/screamers/imgs/chicken.png |
| 03:13.53 | Silent_Swan | brb |
| 03:14.42 | Naka | has anyone seen the Norks?? |
| 03:15.00 | Tegan | no did you lose them here? |
| 03:15.02 | Naka | If thats what they are called |
| 03:15.04 | Aribeth | jeffM2501, thats a good screen shot |
| 03:15.14 | Naka | Its a knife and a fork |
| 03:15.20 | RPG_ | this should be fun... everybody, paste whatever's currently on your PC's clipboard, and send it! |
| 03:15.25 | JeffM2501 | it's funny the sense of nostalgia that digging thru a temp folder brings :) |
| 03:15.27 | *** join/#bzflag bz8746 (n=4450c878@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 03:15.28 | Naka | just like a spork |
| 03:15.35 | JeffM2501 | a bottle and a fork.. and that's how you spell new york |
| 03:15.45 | Naka | ? |
| 03:16.01 | RPG_ | just press CTRL (or apple) + V , then hit enter |
| 03:16.22 | JeffM2501 | heh, my first work on bzflag is in there :) |
| 03:16.45 | Naka | Jeff what font is that for the sigs? |
| 03:16.58 | JeffM2501 | what part of them? |
| 03:17.13 | Naka | The text |
| 03:17.33 | JeffM2501 | *sigh* |
| 03:17.35 | Naka | JeffM2501 part |
| 03:17.38 | JeffM2501 | there are 3 lines of text |
| 03:17.44 | RPG_ | whats' with jeff's sigs? |
| 03:17.45 | JeffM2501 | guess you can't read |
| 03:17.49 | Naka | im slow somtimes.... |
| 03:17.52 | JeffM2501 | gunship condensed |
| 03:17.54 | RPG_ | they're like my "server admin resume" sig thing |
| 03:18.01 | JeffM2501 | WHY DO PEOPLE WANT TO US THAT ONE? |
| 03:18.07 | JeffM2501 | it's total crap |
| 03:18.31 | Naka | Im curios... I like to see different fonts in wings |
| 03:18.42 | Silent_Swan | whatever the case, i'm still interested in Jeff's idea of a "Radial Bong"... |
| 03:18.51 | Naka | Hooka |
| 03:18.58 | JeffM2501 | it involves a 120 mm fan |
| 03:19.02 | Silent_Swan | ooh |
| 03:19.03 | JeffM2501 | and a honda generator |
| 03:19.17 | Silent_Swan | hey, i've been good for a while.. |
| 03:19.20 | RPG_ | bouncing tanks? |
| 03:19.40 | Silent_Swan | it's been almost 2 weeks, but my basement still smells like the aftermath of a grateful dead concert |
| 03:19.51 | bryjen | bong is another 4 letter word |
| 03:20.03 | DTRemenak | that'll teach you to hold grateful dead concerts in your basement |
| 03:20.08 | Silent_Swan | yeah really |
| 03:20.21 | *** part/#bzflag RPG_ (n=G-bus@c-24-15-87-171.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 03:20.34 | JeffM2501 | it's funny people want my sig to be theres, but when I make them one, they never use em. |
| 03:20.39 | JeffM2501 | what's up with that? |
| 03:20.45 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 03:20.48 | Silent_Swan | what's your sig? |
| 03:20.59 | JeffM2501 | right now, just a thing with a blend |
| 03:21.04 | Silent_Swan | ah |
| 03:21.10 | Silent_Swan | i'll stick with random Terry Pratchett quotes |
| 03:22.31 | Silent_Swan | For animals, the entire universe has been neatly divided into things to (a) mate with, (b) eat, (c) run away from, and (d) rocks. -- (Terry Pratchett, Equal Rites) |
| 03:23.03 | bryjen | never confuse a with c |
| 03:23.21 | Silent_Swan | haha |
| 03:23.29 | Silent_Swan | bryjen i still have trouble with that one |
| 03:23.51 | bryjen | large rolling rocks should often be run away from, a la indiana jones |
| 03:24.29 | JeffM2501 | you do A with rocks? |
| 03:24.34 | JeffM2501 | you need profesional help man |
| 03:24.39 | JeffM2501 | it must be the hood |
| 03:24.39 | Silent_Swan | haha |
| 03:24.48 | JeffM2501 | not enoguht airflow to the brain |
| 03:24.57 | Silent_Swan | funny, JeffM2501 ... you're thinking he needs help, but i was wondering HOW... |
| 03:25.00 | Silent_Swan | maybe i need help more |
| 03:25.17 | Silent_Swan | wait, that's just generally assumed |
| 03:25.30 | bryjen | statues. |
| 03:25.30 | JeffM2501 | generaly rocks aren't very 'gentle' enough for A |
| 03:27.36 | Silent_Swan | http://www.google-watch.org/ |
| 03:28.35 | Tegan | who is that? |
| 03:29.04 | Silent_Swan | who runs the site you mean? |
| 03:29.05 | DTRemenak | http://www.google-watch-watch.org/ |
| 03:29.42 | Silent_Swan | uh oh, it begins |
| 03:30.10 | DTRemenak | hey, I won't claim to be unbiased, Google paid me :) |
| 03:30.31 | Silent_Swan | haha |
| 03:30.39 | Silent_Swan | 'sok.. i still use google |
| 03:30.43 | Silent_Swan | for lack of anything better |
| 03:31.00 | Silent_Swan | JeffM2501 is this what you were trying to run on SGI? |
| 03:31.09 | JeffM2501 | oh no |
| 03:31.13 | Silent_Swan | ah ok |
| 03:31.19 | JeffM2501 | I wanted to run the app "bz" on the SGI |
| 03:31.28 | Silent_Swan | ah |
| 03:31.36 | Silent_Swan | wish i still had that cute little indy |
| 03:31.40 | Silent_Swan | but i gave it away :( |
| 03:31.52 | JeffM2501 | mjolnir is a thing I wrote |
| 03:31.55 | JeffM2501 | for OGF I think |
| 03:32.04 | JeffM2501 | I keep checking ebay |
| 03:32.50 | Silent_Swan | unfortunately, the code was left on a rock surrounded by fire and now no one can get to it |
| 03:33.18 | JeffM2501 | brun could be the server :) |
| 03:34.01 | Silent_Swan | does this horned helmet make me look fat? |
| 03:34.17 | JeffM2501 | hmmm "concentrate and ask again" |
| 03:34.21 | Silent_Swan | haha |
| 03:34.30 | Tegan | spear and magic helmet? |
| 03:34.36 | JeffM2501 | too many bubbles in this one |
| 03:34.40 | Silent_Swan | brb |
| 03:36.03 | bryjen | Tegan: kill the wabbit? |
| 03:36.09 | Tegan | kill the wabbit! |
| 03:37.11 | Tegan | that's one of my favorite bugs bunny cartoons |
| 03:37.57 | bryjen | ~8ball |
| 03:37.59 | ibot | ACTION rolls the eight ball and gets: Reply hazy, try again |
| 03:38.33 | Aribeth | ~8ball |
| 03:38.35 | ibot | ACTION rolls the eight ball and gets: My sources say no |
| 03:38.43 | Aribeth | hehe |
| 03:38.57 | Tegan | ~tarot |
| 03:38.58 | ibot | A card reveals Hierophant, in reversed position. |
| 03:39.11 | Tegan | :) |
| 03:39.25 | Aribeth | ~poker |
| 03:39.33 | Aribeth | lol |
| 03:39.40 | Aribeth | no poker |
| 03:40.16 | Silent_Swan | ~8ball will i ever be rich? |
| 03:40.18 | ibot | Absolutely. |
| 03:40.41 | JeffM2501 | mystic oracle never lies |
| 03:40.42 | Silent_Swan | we'll see |
| 03:40.42 | Aribeth | ~8ball |
| 03:40.43 | ibot | ACTION rolls the eight ball and gets: My sources say no |
| 03:40.59 | Silent_Swan | ~8ball will Aribeth ever figure out how you work? |
| 03:41.00 | ibot | I'm not sure. |
| 03:41.00 | Aribeth | ahhh, a broken record |
| 03:41.03 | Tegan | ~8ball does the mystic oracle ever lie? |
| 03:41.04 | ibot | Yes. |
| 03:41.11 | Silent_Swan | aww |
| 03:41.19 | Tegan | ~8ball is the mystic oracle lying now? |
| 03:41.20 | ibot | I'm sure of it. |
| 03:41.23 | Tegan | hmm |
| 03:41.24 | Silent_Swan | figures |
| 03:41.25 | JeffM2501 | if it lies, how do you know it didn't lie on that one? |
| 03:41.33 | JeffM2501 | this statement is false |
| 03:41.34 | Aribeth | yep |
| 03:41.41 | DTRemenak | ~paradox |
| 03:41.42 | ibot | it has been said that paradox is Microsoft's trusted computing initiative |
| 03:41.50 | DTRemenak | huh? |
| 03:41.58 | JeffM2501 | well it is |
| 03:42.10 | DTRemenak | ~microsoft |
| 03:42.12 | ibot | "The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is the day they start making vacuum cleaners." |
| 03:42.17 | DTRemenak | ~tci |
| 03:42.20 | Silent_Swan | :) |
| 03:42.32 | bryjen | paradox, for when you're so sick one doc isn't enough |
| 03:42.48 | Aribeth | been there, done that |
| 03:43.41 | JeffM2501 | boycot shampoo, demand real poo |
| 03:43.57 | bryjen | ~fling at JeffM2501 |
| 03:43.58 | ibot | ACTION flings peanut butter at JeffM2501 |
| 03:44.02 | Silent_Swan | none but the finest |
| 03:44.17 | DTRemenak | ~peanut butter |
| 03:44.19 | ibot | ACTION shoots peanuts at butter until butter turns to peanut butter |
| 03:44.37 | bryjen | ah |
| 03:44.42 | bryjen | ~fling JeffM2501 |
| 03:44.43 | ibot | ACTION flings poo at JeffM2501 |
| 03:44.43 | Silent_Swan | mm... peanut-butter girlscout cookies |
| 03:44.51 | DTRemenak | ~poo |
| 03:44.53 | ibot | poo is smelly |
| 03:45.09 | JeffM2501 | bryjen, by now,you must know I'm poo-resistant |
| 03:45.20 | JeffM2501 | so much poo flung at me in my time here :) |
| 03:46.08 | JeffM2501 | a squeegie will do :) |
| 03:46.41 | Silent_Swan | anyone else here using "epic"? |
| 03:46.49 | Tegan | which epic? |
| 03:46.54 | Silent_Swan | 5 |
| 03:47.01 | DTRemenak | ~epic |
| 03:47.02 | ibot | rumour has it, epic is an opensource Perl IDE for the Eclipse platform. |
| 03:47.11 | Silent_Swan | no, this epic is an irc client |
| 03:47.16 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 03:47.32 | DTRemenak | now that would have been an appropriate answer to "which epic?" :) |
| 03:48.38 | JeffM2501 | 3 more levels and I get my free horse tho :) |
| 03:48.44 | Silent_Swan | hmm.. trying to figure out a little script issue |
| 03:50.00 | DTRemenak | what do you see? |
| 03:50.10 | JeffM2501 | tho techincaly my free horse is summoned, everyone else has to buy theres |
| 03:50.17 | JeffM2501 | cept the gnomes |
| 03:50.26 | JeffM2501 | they get robotic chickens |
| 03:52.11 | bryjen | DTRemenak: a twisty maze of passageways, all alike. |
| 03:52.26 | DTRemenak | go s |
| 03:52.48 | Tegan | you slither into the fangs of a lurking grue |
| 03:52.50 | bryjen | it's very dark here, don't linger |
| 03:53.10 | DTRemenak | use lantern |
| 03:53.26 | jpa- | There is something written in the dust on floor. |
| 03:53.30 | DTRemenak | read dust |
| 03:53.45 | bryjen | caution, explosives! |
| 03:53.57 | DTRemenak | go s |
| 03:54.04 | jpa- | You fall through the floor |
| 03:54.11 | DTRemenak | look |
| 03:54.23 | jpa- | you are in a small room, with many boxes |
| 03:54.31 | DTRemenak | open box |
| 03:54.35 | bryjen | a cider from your lantern ignites the explosives. you have died. have a nice day! |
| 03:54.36 | Silent_Swan | you hear water falling on coins |
| 03:54.53 | jpa- | it is too dark, you can't see anything |
| 03:54.57 | Silent_Swan | there's one i havn't' played in ages |
| 03:54.59 | jpa- | you ponder lighting a match |
| 03:55.04 | Silent_Swan | nothing beats nethack :) |
| 03:55.23 | DTRemenak | quaff fountain |
| 03:55.29 | Silent_Swan | #q |
| 03:55.31 | Tegan | you step on a trap... a dart whizzes in your ear and out the other |
| 03:55.37 | jpa- | sorry, i do not know how to quaff |
| 03:55.57 | bryjen | coal burning lantern? i donno, couldn't thing of the word |
| 03:56.06 | DTRemenak | cinder :) |
| 03:56.18 | bryjen | ah, or some very strong cide ;) |
| 03:56.24 | bryjen | cider |
| 03:56.33 | bryjen | would explain the typo's too ;) |
| 03:56.39 | Tegan | the story of cinderella would have to be rewritten |
| 03:56.39 | Silent_Swan | nethack was great training for vi movement keys :) |
| 03:56.40 | DTRemenak | hehe :) |
| 03:56.48 | Silent_Swan | khlj |
| 03:57.41 | DTRemenak | go up |
| 03:57.44 | Silent_Swan | 3kjjjjjj*dead* |
| 03:58.04 | jpa- | you see jpa- in the end of corridor |
| 03:58.09 | Tegan | ciderella was this lush who was too drunk to go to the ball with her sober wicked step mother and evil stepsisters |
| 03:58.27 | DTRemenak | kill jpa- |
| 03:58.40 | jpa- | sorry, i can't do that |
| 03:58.45 | jpa- | i'm allowed only to hug him |
| 03:58.50 | DTRemenak | hug jpa- |
| 03:58.56 | jpa- | you die |
| 03:59.04 | DTRemenak | this game sucks |
| 03:59.13 | Silent_Swan | what the reader doesn't realize is, cinderella was drunk as a means of escape from dealing with her wicked stepmother and evil stepsisters |
| 03:59.21 | jpa- | no it doesn't, but jpa- might |
| 03:59.22 | Silent_Swan | cinderella had issues |
| 03:59.48 | DTRemenak | you mean, ciderella? |
| 03:59.56 | Silent_Swan | hah yeah |
| 04:00.00 | Silent_Swan | d'oh |
| 04:00.14 | jpa- | i was wondering a bit already :) |
| 04:01.05 | Silent_Swan | *sigh* only 11pm |
| 04:01.22 | jpa- | only 7:00am |
| 04:01.36 | Naka | cinderella? |
| 04:01.40 | Silent_Swan | i will go to work at 6am, come home early, have a nap, then go to the concert... it's the only way i can manage it |
| 04:01.59 | DTRemenak | concert is in your basement again? ;) |
| 04:02.06 | Silent_Swan | no, not this one :) |
| 04:02.15 | Silent_Swan | if it were, i'd be napping *after* :) |
| 04:03.40 | *** part/#bzflag Tegan (n=lyra@eacb02-00-cmmgga-70-34-176-23.atlaga.adelphia.net) |
| 04:04.10 | bryjen | !weather 91126 |
| 04:04.12 | TheLastSpartan | bryjen: The current temperature in Pasadena, California (91126) is 58°F. |
| 04:04.24 | Silent_Swan | !weather 60515 |
| 04:04.27 | TheLastSpartan | Silent_Swan: The current temperature in Downers Grove, Illinois (60515) is 41°F. |
| 04:04.39 | Silent_Swan | *shudder* that cannot be right |
| 04:04.46 | Silent_Swan | !weather 60126 |
| 04:04.48 | TheLastSpartan | Silent_Swan: The current temperature in Elmhurst, Illinois (60126) is 48°F. |
| 04:04.54 | DTRemenak | bryjen stole my zip code! |
| 04:06.07 | Naka | 22408 |
| 04:06.23 | DTRemenak | ~lart bryjen |
| 04:06.31 | Silent_Swan | hah |
| 04:06.37 | Silent_Swan | so they are good for something |
| 04:06.38 | Naka | so the bot has done that to |
| 04:06.41 | DTRemenak | unless you're actually in town, in which case we should go to dinner or something ;) |
| 04:06.48 | Naka | I thought I was the only one!!! |
| 04:07.01 | bryjen | i doubt its all yours, DTRemenak |
| 04:07.17 | DTRemenak | mine Mine MINE!!!!1!!one!! |
| 04:08.20 | Silent_Swan | right, all this talk about death by AOL CD has made me hungry...brb |
| 04:08.31 | DTRemenak | my precious! |
| 04:08.58 | bryjen | or DTRemenak's dinner invite. i donno if i'd go for that after his earlier remarks.... |
| 04:09.00 | jpa- | aren't operating systems free? :) |
| 04:09.03 | DTRemenak | They're thieves! They're thieves! They're filthy little thieves! Where is it? Where is it? They stole it from us, our precious. |
| 04:09.17 | DTRemenak | bryjen: which remarks? |
| 04:09.24 | Naka | Where? When? Who? |
| 04:09.36 | DTRemenak | what I do with rocks is my own business ;) |
| 04:09.40 | bryjen | confusion... |
| 04:09.57 | JeffM2501 | oww |
| 04:10.25 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/ (3 files in 3 dirs): job based URL manager |
| 04:10.28 | bryjen | i don't want to be there if a & b get switched |
| 04:11.34 | DTRemenak | haha |
| 04:12.27 | DTRemenak | I am not confused about what to do a, b, and c with. just rocks happen to be all of the above :) |
| 04:12.43 | DTRemenak | especially c |
| 04:12.52 | JeffM2501 | it's the hood I tell you |
| 04:12.55 | JeffM2501 | it's eating his brain |
| 04:13.03 | DTRemenak | the urges for c and a are kinda hard to get to cooperate |
| 04:13.41 | DTRemenak | ~lart jpa- |
| 04:14.23 | blast007 | Untitled Artist - Untitled Track? ;) |
| 04:14.29 | DTRemenak | We hates them! it's ours it is, and we wants it! We wants it, we needs it. Must have the precious. They stole it from us. Sneaky little jpa-. Wicked, tricksy, false! |
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| 04:16.28 | JeffM2501 | http://sasami.bakadigital.com/temp/04-five_for_fighting-superman-wcr.mp3 |
| 04:17.52 | Naka | Im right when I say that school related relationsjips are for learning purposes only? hehe im bored if you havnt noticed |
| 04:19.27 | bryjen | http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20050625 |
| 04:20.04 | DTRemenak | Naka: that is a poorly defined question. |
| 04:20.05 | JeffM2501 | it's licensed for me :) |
| 04:22.00 | Naka | But girls dont understand that you expect everyone to be pissed at you for breaking up with them.. its purely retarted much better too sit back and watch the action |
| 04:22.16 | Silent_Swan | hmm |
| 04:22.28 | Naka | O sorry swan |
| 04:22.33 | JeffM2501 | your way to young to know what a real relationsip is man :) |
| 04:22.37 | Silent_Swan | oh no worries :) |
| 04:22.40 | Naka | Im sure you understand though |
| 04:22.46 | Naka | I know Jeff |
| 04:22.57 | Naka | I understand. |
| 04:23.01 | blast007 | I can't really understand your sentence structure ;) |
| 04:23.13 | Naka | ? |
| 04:23.14 | Silent_Swan | in time, Naka, in time.. you'll be just as bitter and disillusioned as me :) |
| 04:23.19 | DTRemenak | haha |
| 04:23.19 | JeffM2501 | seems he paying more attention to geting broke up then english :) |
| 04:23.32 | JeffM2501 | see, the world has this baseball bat |
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| 04:23.39 | Naka | No Im in advanced english |
| 04:23.43 | JeffM2501 | and it just LOVES your kidneys |
| 04:24.00 | Aribeth | there is no end to the loonies on ebay! |
| 04:24.04 | Naka | I just type different then I right unfortunitly |
| 04:24.16 | Naka | wright* |
| 04:24.18 | JeffM2501 | then you mary the cheating bitch and loose a year of your life |
| 04:24.33 | Silent_Swan | haha |
| 04:24.39 | bryjen | never underestimate the insanity of the internet! |
| 04:25.00 | Aribeth | i just got an offer on my Ultra 80. $150.00 grrr |
| 04:25.17 | Silent_Swan | ouch |
| 04:25.26 | Naka | Has anybody lost over 60pounds at one point in there life? |
| 04:25.44 | Silent_Swan | if i did, i'd be dead |
| 04:26.01 | Naka | I used to wiegh 236 |
| 04:26.25 | DTRemenak | Aribeth: is that $150 canadian? |
| 04:26.30 | bryjen | does "misplacing" a younger sibling count? |
| 04:26.31 | Aribeth | USD |
| 04:26.36 | Silent_Swan | Aribeth how long on the auction? |
| 04:26.47 | Aribeth | almost 2 months |
| 04:26.52 | Silent_Swan | hmm |
| 04:26.53 | JeffM2501 | wow |
| 04:27.01 | Naka | byjen I dont think so |
| 04:27.06 | DTRemenak | Aribeth: a "loony" is a nickname for a canadian one-dollar coin |
| 04:27.11 | Aribeth | one just sold for 545.00 |
| 04:27.22 | Silent_Swan | well, yours may be next |
| 04:27.28 | Aribeth | ohhh, didnt know that |
| 04:27.41 | Naka | ? |
| 04:27.41 | DTRemenak | yeah, joke didn't work so well when the target doesn't get it :S |
| 04:27.49 | Aribeth | 150.00 might get him one drive |
| 04:27.50 | Naka | lol |
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| 04:28.14 | Silent_Swan | it's hard for canada to have a financial crisis when the basic unit of currency is a "loony" |
| 04:28.24 | Aribeth | heh |
| 04:28.51 | Aribeth | i can get more for it by parting it out ;) |
| 04:29.33 | Silent_Swan | i'm spending a small fortune on building a new system... so i've no spare cash for buying even more computers heh |
| 04:29.37 | Silent_Swan | brb |
| 04:30.30 | JeffM2501 | how much is it going to run you? |
| 04:31.56 | silverfox | I'm reading a map (http://silvercat.tybox.net/mapwiki.bzw) and I'm trying to follow something... There is a dynamicColor, which is applied to some materials (material2-5), but I don't see how these materials are associated with the objects that get colored. |
| 04:32.31 | silverfox | I'm new to materials. http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/MapMaking 2.1.8 explains how to configure/define a material, but I don't understand how it is applied. |
| 04:33.01 | Naka | matref? perhaps |
| 04:33.06 | Naka | Jeff can explain it better |
| 04:33.34 | silverfox | this particular map doesn't have a matref. |
| 04:33.40 | JeffM2501 | matref |
| 04:33.50 | Naka | I can help you if you give me alittle bit more detailed info |
| 04:33.53 | silverfox | I could have botched the map, and it needs matref. |
| 04:33.55 | JeffM2501 | in the ojbect you put a materf YOURMAT |
| 04:34.08 | JeffM2501 | then that object uses that material |
| 04:34.12 | JeffM2501 | or that faces uses the material |
| 04:34.12 | silverfox | where YOURMAT = the material name previously defined. |
| 04:34.20 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 04:34.24 | Naka | can I send a example? |
| 04:34.31 | JeffM2501 | allways name your mats :) |
| 04:34.35 | silverfox | http://silvercat.tybox.net/mapwiki.bzw |
| 04:34.46 | silverfox | sure. |
| 04:34.49 | Naka | k |
| 04:34.50 | JeffM2501 | tho I am no material expert |
| 04:35.01 | JeffM2501 | why do you think I'm not making a 2.0 compatable bzedit :) |
| 04:35.04 | silverfox | Can you explain why http://silvercat.tybox.net/mapwiki.bzw seems to color boxes, but has no matref in the file? |
| 04:35.53 | JeffM2501 | because it colors the verts directly |
| 04:35.57 | JeffM2501 | with the "defuse" lines |
| 04:36.03 | Naka | yes |
| 04:36.04 | JeffM2501 | materials are just one way to set colors and stuff |
| 04:36.07 | JeffM2501 | there are others |
| 04:36.12 | Naka | I just seen that |
| 04:36.17 | JeffM2501 | like doing the color materials on each vert |
| 04:36.41 | silverfox | strange. If I remove the dynamicColor and materials, )the first 41 lines, the color goes away. |
| 04:36.44 | JeffM2501 | each face there has it's own color def |
| 04:37.14 | JeffM2501 | if you want standard colors and materials, take out the diffuse lines |
| 04:37.23 | silverfox | I don't. |
| 04:37.42 | JeffM2501 | now if you put all that in a group, then put a mat on the group that will overide it |
| 04:37.51 | JeffM2501 | yeah, no matrefs in that file at all |
| 04:38.01 | bryjen | or materials |
| 04:40.03 | JeffM2501 | or anything other then the diffuse lines |
| 04:40.33 | Naka | Jeff would just adding one matref right under the normals and vertexes cover the whole object? |
| 04:40.58 | JeffM2501 | not sure how the order goes |
| 04:41.09 | JeffM2501 | a material for the mesh would set the stuff for the mesh |
| 04:41.13 | silverfox | oops. |
| 04:41.14 | Naka | Like I've seen trepan's exporter do it that way |
| 04:41.30 | JeffM2501 | the diffuse for the faces may just set the diffuse paramater per face, and they pick up the rest from the mat |
| 04:41.33 | silverfox | take another look at the file. |
| 04:42.02 | Naka | http://pastebin.com/388771 |
| 04:42.07 | Naka | There ya go silverfox |
| 04:42.18 | Naka | see if that helps |
| 04:42.20 | JeffM2501 | those mats should never be used |
| 04:42.37 | silverfox | That's what it looks like. |
| 04:42.52 | JeffM2501 | asuming that is the complete file |
| 04:43.13 | silverfox | its is. |
| 04:43.20 | JeffM2501 | those meshes never call out any of the mats |
| 04:43.24 | silverfox | its running on silvercat.tybox.net:5151 right now. |
| 04:43.44 | Naka | ewww I dont like the mats either |
| 04:43.44 | JeffM2501 | what is the problem you are trying to solve? |
| 04:43.51 | silverfox | I think I was just "confused" |
| 04:43.59 | Naka | Its happens |
| 04:44.00 | silverfox | JeffM2501, overcoming ignorance. |
| 04:44.45 | JeffM2501 | umm ok |
| 04:44.48 | JeffM2501 | the mats are not used |
| 04:44.55 | JeffM2501 | it's the diffuse lines that add the color |
| 04:45.02 | JeffM2501 | if I understand it all correctly |
| 04:45.08 | silverfox | This was someone elses map, and I didn't understand how the mats got applied. |
| 04:45.21 | JeffM2501 | the mats aren't |
| 04:45.26 | silverfox | I understand now. They weren't applied. Makes sense now. Not sure what the author's intent was. |
| 04:45.34 | JeffM2501 | removing them should not change the meshes at all |
| 04:46.46 | Naka | Are they boxes? |
| 04:46.56 | Naka | or somthing more |
| 04:47.00 | JeffM2501 | are what boxes? |
| 04:47.12 | Naka | the objects in the file |
| 04:47.16 | JeffM2501 | umm no |
| 04:47.25 | JeffM2501 | did you even read the map file? |
| 04:47.28 | JeffM2501 | MESH |
| 04:47.34 | JeffM2501 | we've used that term like 5 times |
| 04:47.35 | Naka | http://silvercat.tybox.net/mapwiki.bzw |
| 04:47.39 | Naka | im on it righ tnow |
| 04:47.44 | Naka | sorry |
| 04:47.57 | JeffM2501 | mmmmmeeeeessssshhhhhhh |
| 04:47.58 | Naka | it says westside of cube im guesing its a cube |
| 04:48.06 | JeffM2501 | that's in a comment |
| 04:48.09 | Naka | mesh mesh mesh okay ill remember that |
| 04:48.11 | Naka | Yes |
| 04:48.32 | JeffM2501 | yet you pastebin him a "solution" with out even understanding the map or the problem |
| 04:48.35 | JeffM2501 | brilliant |
| 04:48.36 | Naka | so it says its a cube but it really sint?!!? |
| 04:48.45 | JeffM2501 | it may look like a cube |
| 04:48.52 | JeffM2501 | the author can call it what ever he wants |
| 04:48.54 | JeffM2501 | it's a mesh |
| 04:49.21 | Naka | yes I understand... |
| 04:49.39 | Naka | Im just thinking about what I would have done instead... |
| 04:50.06 | Naka | but im sure making meshs will add alittle bit more freedom then just adding boxes |
| 04:50.26 | JeffM2501 | and let him define per face colors :) |
| 04:50.41 | JeffM2501 | notice the colors change on every face |
| 04:50.48 | Naka | yes |
| 04:50.48 | JeffM2501 | can't do that on a box |
| 04:51.12 | Naka | I thought you could. but didnt ya'll get rid of the topmatref stuff? |
| 04:51.32 | JeffM2501 | that just lets you change the material used for the sides and top |
| 04:51.49 | JeffM2501 | you change that then ALL the sides change |
| 04:51.50 | JeffM2501 | or all the tops change |
| 04:52.00 | JeffM2501 | dosn't let you say "use this material for this side" |
| 04:52.03 | Naka | I see |
| 04:52.07 | JeffM2501 | for that you need per face materials or colors |
| 04:52.11 | JeffM2501 | that is what a mesh does |
| 04:55.07 | Naka | A I get it now |
| 04:56.37 | Naka | top matref ignores the lets say triangled face and just covers both while in a mesh you can control wich face is to be covered with certain materials |
| 04:59.11 | JeffM2501 | a "top" only refers to a box or meshbox |
| 04:59.21 | Naka | yes |
| 05:00.25 | JeffM2501 | so you can only use them for cubes that use a max of 2 mataerials |
| 05:00.29 | JeffM2501 | 1 on the top and bottom |
| 05:00.35 | JeffM2501 | and 1 for the 4 other sides |
| 05:00.40 | Naka | o |
| 05:00.41 | JeffM2501 | that is very limiting |
| 05:00.58 | JeffM2501 | if you want say a difrent color on each side, a box will not help you |
| 05:01.03 | JeffM2501 | since then you need 6 materials |
| 05:01.07 | JeffM2501 | or one material per face |
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| 06:33.53 | JeffM2501 | 2.0.4? |
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| 08:42.00 | trepan | logic ops + 2-pass for lazy culling: http://trepan.bzflag.bz/noshow/logic-sw.jpg |
| 08:43.25 | trepan | uhm, 2-pass culling as lazy sorting ;) |
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| 10:42.54 | passinglunatic | Hi, I'm having trouble compiling bzflag 2.0.4, can anyone help? I'll post details if someone can. |
| 10:43.24 | jpa- | put the details on pastebin.com |
| 10:45.18 | passinglunatic | how does pastebin work? I've never used it before |
| 10:46.57 | jpa- | put the text in a box, press the button, paste the link here |
| 10:50.43 | passinglunatic | http://pastebin.com/388897 |
| 10:56.23 | Pimpinella | passinglunatic: did you install devel packages? |
| 10:58.39 | passinglunatic | you mean bzflag-devel? no |
| 10:58.57 | Pimpinella | no |
| 10:58.59 | _Manu_ | hallo Pimpinella :) |
| 10:59.11 | Pimpinella | hi _Manu_ |
| 10:59.27 | Pimpinella | i dunno how they are called in suse |
| 10:59.41 | Pimpinella | lemme c |
| 11:00.18 | Pimpinella | did you try with gcc 3.x ? |
| 11:00.44 | _Manu_ | bzflag compiles fine with 4.0.2 |
| 11:01.11 | Pimpinella | 4.x made a lot of problems in the pst though |
| 11:01.15 | Pimpinella | past |
| 11:01.24 | _Manu_ | yes, but was in the past :) |
| 11:02.06 | jpa- | hmm.. and i kinda remember gcc2 -> gcc3 change, it wasn't very long ago was it? :) |
| 11:02.20 | Pimpinella | no |
| 11:02.28 | _Manu_ | gcc2? what was that? |
| 11:02.29 | _Manu_ | :) |
| 11:02.40 | Pimpinella | i used 2.95 until recently |
| 11:03.39 | _Manu_ | gcc4 compiles faster than older versions |
| 11:03.57 | Pimpinella | hope so, 3 is sloooooooooooow |
| 11:04.10 | _Manu_ | last cvs 8 minutes in 4.0.2 3.3.4 14 minutes |
| 11:04.19 | _Manu_ | in the same box |
| 11:04.47 | _Manu_ | and version 4 still will be faster.. (is in development) |
| 11:04.48 | Pimpinella | hey, i want the sme equipment :/ |
| 11:05.00 | Pimpinella | almost 50 minutes here |
| 11:05.03 | passinglunatic | I think I'm using gcc 3.3.5 (at least according to gcc --version), but I thought I installed gcc 4.x sometime. |
| 11:05.07 | _Manu_ | Athlon 3000+ here |
| 11:05.23 | _Manu_ | passinglunatic, you are using gcc 4.0.1 |
| 11:05.38 | _Manu_ | probably your instalation is incomplete |
| 11:06.15 | Pimpinella | thats actually what i guess, but i don't find package lists for opensuse |
| 11:06.23 | _Manu_ | try to clean and install the correct gcc versions and libraries (dev packages too) |
| 11:06.44 | _Manu_ | use Yast :) |
| 11:07.14 | passinglunatic | I'll give it a shot |
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| 11:09.56 | Pimpinella | suse comes with a rpm builder tool, but it needs 3GB !!!!!! temporary hard disk spce |
| 11:10.05 | Pimpinella | 3GB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 11:10.20 | _Manu_ | not too much.. heh |
| 11:10.28 | _Manu_ | lol |
| 11:10.29 | Pimpinella | You need 3 GB of hard disk space because the SUSE build structure is using a separate linux installation on your hard disk as the environment to build your package. |
| 11:10.48 | _Manu_ | like chrooted |
| 11:11.06 | Pimpinella | you can hve 10 isolated environments in 3GB on debian |
| 11:11.13 | Pimpinella | including X |
| 11:11.20 | _Manu_ | heh |
| 11:11.44 | _Manu_ | if you are happy with Debian, use it ;) |
| 11:12.11 | Pimpinella | i do :) |
| 11:19.43 | passinglunatic | I got gcc 4.0.1 as a binary package to run with OpenFOAM. Can I disable it temporarily and use gcc 3.3.5 (which is the original with the system) |
| 11:20.09 | _Manu_ | what's your OS? |
| 11:20.20 | passinglunatic | suse 9.3 |
| 11:21.25 | _Manu_ | try to remove and then reinstall the desired packages.. |
| 11:21.47 | _Manu_ | you must install two libraries one for gcc3 and another for gcc4 |
| 11:22.40 | _Manu_ | but if you have not too much experience.. I suggest you using only the suse stable packages |
| 11:22.47 | _Manu_ | gcc3 |
| 11:23.44 | _Manu_ | because for gcc4 you don't only need gcc |
| 11:25.25 | _Manu_ | for compiling bzflag for example you neec g++4 and libstdc++ for gcc 4 |
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| 11:25.38 | passinglunatic | that makes sense, but openfoam needs 4.x to work (I have a hard enough time using it when it does work!) |
| 11:26.15 | Pimpinella | check if you have libstdc++ and it's headers then |
| 11:26.27 | _Manu_ | well.. your error is probably because mixing libstdc++ for 3.3 instead or for 4.0.1 |
| 11:26.36 | Pimpinella | according to your errors thats what is missing |
| 11:26.37 | passinglunatic | ok |
| 11:27.50 | Pimpinella | just recognised, that i'm using gcc4 myself ;) |
| 11:28.21 | Pimpinella | surprise surprise |
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| 11:42.39 | passinglunatic | thanks; I removed gcc4 temporarily, and will put it back on sometime when I'm not about to go to bed! (the make works now) |
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| 13:51.11 | LePoulpe303 | a friend with debian has a strange issue : if he launches bzflag (2.02 or 2.0.4) through my software, identification fails ; then ,if launches bzflag fro mcommandline, identification continues failing ; if he re-type the password, then identification is ok |
| 13:51.43 | jpa- | does your program specify the server to connect to? |
| 13:51.45 | LePoulpe303 | he does'nt use any accent or strange char in password (all [a-z][A-Z]) |
| 13:51.48 | LePoulpe303 | yes |
| 13:52.02 | jpa- | well, it is the strange way bzflag does it's stuff |
| 13:52.11 | LePoulpe303 | on windows all is ok |
| 13:52.13 | jpa- | use bzflag user:password@server:port |
| 13:52.34 | LePoulpe303 | and bzflag tells him : unrecognized char: |
| 13:52.47 | LePoulpe303 | unsupported sry ; not unrecognized |
| 13:53.04 | jpa- | err.. |
| 13:53.22 | jpa- | from commandline? |
| 13:53.54 | jpa- | or from your prog? |
| 13:54.28 | LePoulpe303 | he tells me that , toidentify again, he launches bz from command line and then retype password |
| 13:54.49 | LePoulpe303 | (in password field on UI , he sees the correct number of ***) |
| 13:54.58 | LePoulpe303 | (and config.cfg has correct set password) |
| 13:55.13 | jpa- | is your program changing the config.cfg? |
| 13:55.29 | LePoulpe303 | yes |
| 13:56.05 | jpa- | i think you need to have \n instead of \r\n on linux |
| 13:56.06 | LePoulpe303 | for the moment only callsign email password |
| 13:56.10 | bryjen | hmm, the command line help says you can do user@server:port. No mention of password there. |
| 13:56.29 | LePoulpe303 | user/pass in comandline doesn't work before 2.0.4 |
| 13:56.37 | LePoulpe303 | 2.0.3 sry |
| 13:56.44 | bryjen | i'm looking at 2.0.4 |
| 13:57.05 | bryjen | bzadmin lets you specify a password, but maybe not bzflag |
| 13:57.17 | LePoulpe303 | jpa- : i think you're right |
| 13:57.20 | LePoulpe303 | i use python |
| 13:57.22 | LePoulpe303 | conffile.write(param.ToString() +"\n") |
| 13:57.29 | jpa- | bryjen: i've used user:password with 2.0.4, maybe it just isn't in the docs |
| 13:58.37 | jpa- | LePoulpe303: have him do a hexdump of the password lines, etc. |
| 13:59.14 | LePoulpe303 | jpa : is there a os independant constant in python to say 'new line' |
| 13:59.15 | LePoulpe303 | ? |
| 13:59.38 | jpa- | i don't know |
| 13:59.59 | LePoulpe303 | hmm ; i will try replace \n by \r\n then |
| 14:00.08 | jpa- | err |
| 14:00.13 | jpa- | so you use \n on windows? |
| 14:00.20 | jpa- | that should not be a problem thne |
| 14:00.35 | jpa- | linux uses \n, and i think bzflag might be independent anyway |
| 14:00.49 | jpa- | but the hexdump might help |
| 14:03.23 | LePoulpe303 | the thing that is strange : the rest is working ok |
| 14:05.19 | LePoulpe303 | jpa- : just to increase your already very huge culture ;) http://python.active-venture.com/whatsnew/node7.html |
| 14:09.50 | LePoulpe303 | jpa- : wikipedia says that \n is the Unix C original character for newline |
| 14:10.12 | jpa- | yes |
| 14:10.28 | LePoulpe303 | so my python instruction shuodl be good |
| 14:10.39 | jpa- | yes, as i said already :) |
| 14:11.07 | jpa- | it might've been a problem on windows if you are not using 'U' |
| 14:11.26 | jpa- | but still, i'd like a hex dump |
| 14:12.10 | LePoulpe303 | jpa- : that's delicate :) |
| 14:12.23 | LePoulpe303 | i 'know' you but he does'nt |
| 14:12.25 | LePoulpe303 | ;) |
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| 14:22.03 | LePoulpe303 | jpa : all lines ends with 0A character |
| 14:28.43 | LePoulpe303 | jpa- : it seems realy crazy ; he tells me that even rewriting in the config.cfg file with vi, or make a copy paste from a backup into config.cfg does'nt restore identification ! |
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| 14:58.05 | LePoulpe303 | jpa- : 73 65 74 20 70 61 73 73 77 6f 72 64 20 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 0a |
| 14:58.15 | BenUrban | bingo! |
| 14:58.22 | LePoulpe303 | jpa- : set password 1234568<lf> |
| 14:59.09 | LePoulpe303 | BenUrban : lol |
| 14:59.20 | BenUrban | ;) |
| 15:03.08 | jpa- | not my fault, not my fault! |
| 15:23.44 | LePoulpe303 | jpa- : i dunno where to search else :( |
| 15:24.12 | jpa- | LePoulpe303: install linux and investigate yourself :) |
| 15:24.24 | LePoulpe303 | jpa- : i've installed ubuntu |
| 15:24.32 | LePoulpe303 | jpa- : this week end |
| 15:24.42 | LePoulpe303 | jpa-: other problems ... :D |
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| 16:48.49 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/common/ (inc/URLManager.h src/URLManager.cpp): standard download handler |
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| 17:01.36 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03menotume * 10bzflag/ (8 files in 3 dirs): Initial implementation of the HoldTheFlag plugin. |
| 17:01.38 | menotume | weeeeeeeee |
| 17:01.50 | JeffM2501 | coolio |
| 17:01.59 | menotume | ~JeffM2501++ |
| 17:02.04 | menotume | thx for all your help |
| 17:02.42 | menotume | now to add some fun stuff, like player stats, and keeping track of player who join/leave during a match |
| 17:02.49 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 17:03.44 | menotume | JeffM2501: nice work on the permissions - easy to use :) |
| 17:03.56 | JeffM2501 | that was the plan |
| 17:04.02 | JeffM2501 | strings were the simplest |
| 17:04.09 | JeffM2501 | and would work even if we changed the guts |
| 17:04.37 | menotume | yep, and can add new permissions |
| 17:04.52 | JeffM2501 | sadly only to groups |
| 17:05.07 | menotume | what else is there ? |
| 17:05.17 | JeffM2501 | techincaly users themselves can have perms |
| 17:05.22 | menotume | ahhh, right |
| 17:05.24 | menotume | that' |
| 17:05.25 | JeffM2501 | in the local db |
| 17:05.30 | menotume | that's old-school :) |
| 17:05.41 | JeffM2501 | you can combine it with global login |
| 17:05.43 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03bryjen * 10bzflag/ (man/bzadmin.6.in man/bzflag.6.in src/bzflag/bzflag.cxx): document support for password in command-line server specification |
| 17:10.06 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03bryjen * 10bzflag/man/bzfs.6.in: formatting, alphabetize |
| 17:12.57 | teh_conqerer | its weird playing this game now and getting 200+ FPS |
| 17:14.10 | JeffM2501 | anyone know what the dif between HTTPPostMode and PostMode is in the cURLManager? |
| 17:14.59 | menotume | one is mult-part, i think |
| 17:15.09 | menotume | would have to ask Mr. Tuploa |
| 17:15.22 | JeffM2501 | dosn't look like we ever call the httpPostMode |
| 17:15.33 | menotume | he probably DID. |
| 17:15.36 | JeffM2501 | they call dif things in curl |
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| 17:15.47 | menotume | at first, he used multi-part posts, was too big |
| 17:15.53 | menotume | thn, he changed it |
| 17:16.23 | JeffM2501 | so there are 2 ways to do an http post? |
| 17:16.46 | menotume | yes |
| 17:17.03 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 17:17.06 | menotume | the multi-part sux IMO |
| 17:18.06 | bryjen | needs less ambiguous names |
| 17:18.14 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 17:20.53 | JeffM2501 | eww the pair stuff is fugly |
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| 17:24.50 | teh_conqerer | JeffM2501, the f stand for Fun? |
| 17:24.59 | JeffM2501 | ummm no |
| 17:25.59 | teh_conqerer | well in that case... I'm gunna go "pleasure myself" with Unreal 3 engine screenies |
| 17:26.56 | JeffM2501 | umm |
| 17:26.57 | JeffM2501 | ew |
| 17:27.09 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/ (4 files in 4 dirs): |
| 17:27.09 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: pass the jobID back to the callbacks so they can be reused. |
| 17:27.09 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: add jobDescriptor to set more job options ( like get or post, form data, etc.. ) |
| 17:27.47 | JeffM2501 | now for my real problem, I need to get the list server to check for a server using UDP, not TCP :) |
| 17:28.56 | menotume | oh my |
| 17:29.27 | JeffM2501 | php docs say it's possible |
| 17:29.57 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/server/src/listConnection.cpp: verify the jobID before you use it |
| 17:30.05 | menotume | yes, you can do anything in PHP that you can do in C, as far as i've seen |
| 17:30.20 | Mayhem | and with greater ease and less bugs ;) |
| 17:30.34 | JeffM2501 | buts are from developers, not languages |
| 17:30.43 | JeffM2501 | it looks like it just opens a socket |
| 17:30.44 | JeffM2501 | to the host |
| 17:30.49 | JeffM2501 | and makes sure it dosn't crap out |
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| 17:33.26 | JeffM2501 | wonder if there is any harm in just trying UDP if TCP fails |
| 17:34.04 | JeffM2501 | or could that give somone a list on the server who was failing now? |
| 17:34.28 | menotume | hmm, dunno |
| 17:34.35 | menotume | why do you need UDP ? |
| 17:34.47 | JeffM2501 | I will be doing UDP only |
| 17:34.51 | JeffM2501 | no TCP at all |
| 17:35.09 | menotume | but, but |
| 17:35.19 | menotume | gets and posts with UDP ? |
| 17:35.24 | JeffM2501 | no no |
| 17:35.32 | JeffM2501 | the game server is UDP |
| 17:35.36 | menotume | yes |
| 17:35.38 | JeffM2501 | it only listens on UDP |
| 17:35.51 | JeffM2501 | so right now when it trys to list public it fails |
| 17:36.03 | JeffM2501 | because the list server trys to connect TCP |
| 17:36.15 | trac | i like to discuss a possible cheat prevention. is any dev online? |
| 17:36.19 | menotume | ohhhh, BZflagG3D |
| 17:36.26 | JeffM2501 | menotume, ;) |
| 17:36.29 | JeffM2501 | trac, what is up? |
| 17:36.44 | Mayhem | BZflagG3D? |
| 17:37.02 | JeffM2501 | menotume, but I'm using the normal list server |
| 17:37.20 | menotume | gotya |
| 17:37.42 | JeffM2501 | so I need to mod it to deal with UDP |
| 17:39.16 | menotume | right, so open a socket, listen, and it should know to send repsonsesd back in UDP |
| 17:41.09 | menotume | you can have the listener plug stuff into $_REQUEST, to make it look like normal posts |
| 17:41.52 | menotume | ohhh, no |
| 17:42.10 | menotume | it is lanuched by Apache on a TCP request :) |
| 17:42.42 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 17:42.46 | JeffM2501 | just like a client would |
| 17:42.52 | JeffM2501 | to make sure that the server is reachable |
| 17:42.56 | bryjen | menotume: i think he's talking about the callback bzfls.php does to check if the server is alive |
| 17:43.09 | menotume | ok |
| 17:43.23 | menotume | but, the server has to make the request via TCP |
| 17:43.56 | bryjen | yes, the http stuff would be outbound from the game server... his game server is only listening for inbound udp |
| 17:44.15 | menotume | okies |
| 17:44.21 | JeffM2501 | yeah the game server just sending TCP, not listening |
| 17:44.24 | menotume | np then :) |
| 17:44.59 | JeffM2501 | guess I can key it on the proto version |
| 17:45.09 | JeffM2501 | 8k and above test UDP too |
| 17:45.11 | menotume | sure, or add something to your request |
| 17:46.55 | menotume | testmethod=UDP |
| 17:48.08 | JeffM2501 | or just the proto version |
| 17:54.02 | menotume | or, you could just key it off of the proto version |
| 17:54.08 | menotume | :P |
| 18:02.02 | JeffM2501 | or copy the list server and use a difrent URL |
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| 18:15.07 | JeffM2501 | hmmm, I need a linux makefile for this stuff if I'm gonna test it |
| 18:16.29 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, is the list server in CVS? |
| 18:16.38 | JeffM2501 | and good evening :) |
| 18:16.38 | Tupone | yep |
| 18:16.41 | JeffM2501 | where? |
| 18:16.46 | Tupone | db module |
| 18:16.47 | JeffM2501 | I looked and could not see it |
| 18:16.49 | JeffM2501 | ahh db |
| 18:16.50 | JeffM2501 | thanks |
| 18:17.01 | JeffM2501 | it is current with your last changes? |
| 18:17.06 | Tupone | buona sera |
| 18:17.08 | Tupone | and yes |
| 18:17.10 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 18:17.26 | JeffM2501 | I need an option to make it test for servers with UDP not tcp |
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| 18:24.06 | bryjen | hrm. the plugins are building as static libs :/ |
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| 18:37.48 | menotume | bryjen: yes |
| 18:37.59 | menotume | you have to ./configure --enable-shared |
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| 19:03.17 | DTRemenak | bryjen: what function? |
| 19:03.25 | Tupone | hehe :) those are the commandHandler(s) |
| 19:04.18 | bryjen | looking at menotume's plugin |
| 19:04.49 | DTRemenak | probably means "I handled this event" |
| 19:04.55 | bryjen | i loaded it with bad (no) parameters and it didn't complain, so i'm trying to make it do so |
| 19:05.05 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 19:08.06 | Jo-W | just add return(0) to the plugin :P |
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| 19:13.19 | bryjen | load and unload already return 0, apparently for success. not that bzfs pays any attention to that... |
| 19:15.56 | Jo-W | yeah....... |
| 19:19.00 | Pimpinella | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:27.39 | menotume | yes, that was the plan, but the API needs to not load the plugin on false |
| 19:28.40 | menotume | err, on non-zero |
| 19:32.38 | menotume | JeffM2501: did trac talk to you about that 'cheat-detect' ? |
| 19:33.52 | menotume | bryjen: the command-line param (team) is optional |
| 19:34.41 | JeffM2501 | teag |
| 19:34.43 | bryjen | ah. really? what's it do without it? |
| 19:34.44 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 19:35.07 | menotume | doesn't need it |
| 19:35.28 | menotume | if team (Eg green) is specified, ... |
| 19:35.32 | JeffM2501 | he wanted bzadmin to request a screen shot from the client to see if they were using any radar enhancments |
| 19:35.35 | menotume | then if someone joins as red, they are kicked |
| 19:36.02 | menotume | it's really only needd for random maps, when you have to allow at least one player of the other color to get a base |
| 19:36.07 | Jo-W | why not use punkbuster... |
| 19:36.25 | menotume | JeffM2501: yes, good idea, except for the n/w traffic |
| 19:36.40 | JeffM2501 | menotume, are you kidding, it is lame |
| 19:37.03 | JeffM2501 | Jo-W, punkbuster isn't open source, and the same thing can be done on the server by just verifying input |
| 19:37.22 | Jo-W | oh |
| 19:37.31 | JeffM2501 | menotume, it would be trivial to make the client allways give back the same screeny, it would be a PITA to parse the screenshot |
| 19:37.40 | JeffM2501 | you just can't ever trust a client |
| 19:37.41 | menotume | ya, i mentioned that |
| 19:37.41 | JeffM2501 | ever |
| 19:37.56 | menotume | same screeny would be a tip-off though |
| 19:38.03 | menotume | would have to be a bit more complex |
| 19:38.10 | JeffM2501 | you have to asume the client is going to use all the info you send it, so best to only send it things you want to be sure of |
| 19:38.24 | bryjen | "parse the screenshot" ? |
| 19:38.31 | menotume | ya ? |
| 19:38.38 | menotume | just put it in a file |
| 19:38.41 | JeffM2501 | menotume, the first thing any cheat woudl be is to fake the screeny |
| 19:38.48 | JeffM2501 | or just ignore the request |
| 19:38.48 | menotume | yes |
| 19:38.56 | menotume | well, ignore would be a tipoff too |
| 19:39.03 | bryjen | or send you some /other/ image |
| 19:39.08 | menotume | ignore means hacked client |
| 19:39.09 | JeffM2501 | then the entire point of all the work of doing complex computer vision on the display is wasted |
| 19:39.20 | JeffM2501 | you can't tell if a client is "hacked" |
| 19:39.37 | JeffM2501 | there is not 100% way |
| 19:39.37 | menotume | if it's ignored, it's hacked |
| 19:39.37 | JeffM2501 | not in an open source app |
| 19:39.40 | JeffM2501 | then don't ignore it |
| 19:39.47 | JeffM2501 | send back a screeny from a real client |
| 19:39.49 | menotume | if it always sends the same image, or one that doesn't match the map, it's hacked |
| 19:40.03 | JeffM2501 | have a bunch of images it pulls from |
| 19:40.09 | menotume | yes, it can be fooled, i told him that |
| 19:40.13 | JeffM2501 | have it render a non bad frame to a bitmap |
| 19:40.19 | JeffM2501 | you can NEVER trust a client |
| 19:40.25 | JeffM2501 | so don't waste time trying |
| 19:40.29 | menotume | i understand :) |
| 19:40.40 | JeffM2501 | it's the same problem as puting a key in the code |
| 19:40.45 | menotume | yep |
| 19:40.48 | JeffM2501 | you are just making it a very large, and complex to read key |
| 19:40.52 | JeffM2501 | can be faked the same way |
| 19:41.10 | Jo-W | there is no way to stop cheating >_> |
| 19:41.35 | menotume | unless the key is based off of a key that is sent to encode, but the encoder wpld have to be non-open source |
| 19:41.45 | JeffM2501 | the best thing I thing I think to do is to split radar updates from screen udpates |
| 19:41.50 | Tupone | Even if you send the image from the server, frame by frame, and use input to manouvre the tank, server side, still you cannot know if he is cheating, as they can do assisted aim, for instance |
| 19:41.54 | JeffM2501 | and send less accurare radar updates |
| 19:41.59 | JeffM2501 | and only send pertinant video update |
| 19:42.10 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, exactly |
| 19:42.29 | JeffM2501 | you can make it so that people who want to do radar cheats have to basicly rewrite the entire radar |
| 19:42.43 | JeffM2501 | that possibly makes it more trouble then it's worth |
| 19:42.56 | menotume | whoa, lot's of bandwidth |
| 19:43.00 | JeffM2501 | another reason I want to make the radar more fuzzy |
| 19:43.09 | JeffM2501 | menotume, not really, it could actualy be less |
| 19:43.22 | JeffM2501 | you send our less accurate ( smaller ) radar updates, less often |
| 19:43.34 | menotume | ohhh, yes, i meant tupone's comment |
| 19:43.36 | JeffM2501 | and then you only send out visual data for people close to you on the fulls cale |
| 19:43.38 | Tupone | we could send mpeg-4 streaming |
| 19:43.43 | menotume | hehe |
| 19:43.46 | Tupone | eek, streaming is patented |
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| 19:43.59 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, we could have the client allways render on the server, and then stream the video to each client :) |
| 19:44.06 | menotume | still, a hacker could overlay the radar |
| 19:44.16 | Tupone | we could violate a license from acacia |
| 19:44.17 | JeffM2501 | then we know noone is using hacked clients, because the client is the server :) |
| 19:44.28 | JeffM2501 | you'd have some input lag tho :) |
| 19:44.32 | Pimpinella | some servers running closed source games spend a much effort identifying hacked client, even forcing players to run spyware on their boxes to be allowed to play |
| 19:44.35 | Tupone | just a little |
| 19:44.46 | Pimpinella | and still they can't be 100% sure |
| 19:44.57 | JeffM2501 | Pimpinella, in a closed source cases, checking for keys and requiring other apps is a lot more feasable |
| 19:44.59 | JeffM2501 | in open soruce |
| 19:45.01 | JeffM2501 | not so much |
| 19:45.26 | JeffM2501 | since they have the code that shows exactly what is happening |
| 19:45.48 | JeffM2501 | best thing for us is to verify input, and do more things on the server |
| 19:45.52 | JeffM2501 | like hit detection |
| 19:45.54 | JeffM2501 | and stuff like that |
| 19:46.01 | menotume | yes |
| 19:46.01 | bryjen | Tupone: ogg theora ;) |
| 19:46.08 | Jo-W | why not make 1 part of BZflag closed source |
| 19:46.09 | Pimpinella | yeah, thats what i mean. even closed source, and even with spyware on the client's machine you can never be 100% sure |
| 19:46.11 | JeffM2501 | that minimises the impact of a moded server |
| 19:46.39 | JeffM2501 | Jo-W, 1) geting a binary for all possbile platforms is a pain, 2) debian would drop us, and 3) they'd just hack the closed source part |
| 19:46.46 | Tupone | I wanna be kill decision next version, and leave hit detection to client |
| 19:46.53 | Tupone | s/be/do/ |
| 19:46.59 | JeffM2501 | more power to ya Tupone |
| 19:47.14 | Pimpinella | 4) we would have to change the license |
| 19:47.18 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 19:47.26 | JeffM2501 | a large number of users build there own clients |
| 19:48.10 | Jo-W | more server staff would be easier ^_^ |
| 19:48.12 | Tupone | We will be removed from Sourceforge |
| 19:48.13 | menotume | we could require the use of xyz library, but it would have to be readily available for al platforms |
| 19:49.04 | *** join/#bzflag bz2741 (n=50fea499@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 19:49.38 | Tupone | better ban all people :) |
| 19:49.44 | menotume | yay |
| 19:49.44 | Tupone | so nobody will cheat |
| 19:50.09 | Jo-W | have som1 watch over everyones shoulder |
| 19:50.17 | Pimpinella | Jo-W: still using a closed source lib means giving up GPL |
| 19:50.23 | menotume | webcam required to play |
| 19:50.25 | bz2741 | someone here who wants help me testing a map? |
| 19:50.48 | bz2741 | can you give my |
| 19:50.55 | Tupone | menotume: what? have to see you while playing ? |
| 19:51.16 | bz2741 | me a link like irc://#server/#chan ? |
| 19:51.16 | menotume | hehe, no webcam pointed at k/b and screen |
| 19:52.08 | Jo-W | i have seen in other opensource games(a while ago), that the game is workable, but some servers require an extra module which offers encryption and such |
| 19:55.30 | JeffM2501 | there are many difrent ways of doing it |
| 19:55.38 | JeffM2501 | it dosnt' solve much |
| 19:55.42 | JeffM2501 | and we won't ever do it |
| 19:55.51 | JeffM2501 | debian won't accept even a part of us as non open |
| 19:55.53 | JeffM2501 | so we won |
| 19:56.03 | JeffM2501 | you can't get rid of cheates |
| 19:56.15 | JeffM2501 | you can just minimise the impact |
| 19:57.49 | bryjen | Mmm, cheetos |
| 19:59.57 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, in the list server, I'd use vctoe to get a parmater as an int right? |
| 20:00.04 | JeffM2501 | like $udptest = vctoe($_REQUEST['udptest']); |
| 20:00.11 | Jo-W | thing is I havent seen a single cheater |
| 20:00.12 | Tupone | ask menotume |
| 20:00.13 | JeffM2501 | to see if somone passed in udptest=X |
| 20:00.21 | JeffM2501 | menotume, same question :) |
| 20:03.32 | JeffM2501 | php docs say all I have to do is put 'udp://' in front of the server addy when the port is opened |
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| 20:05.09 | Tupone | $_REQUEST['udptest'] is ok I think, no need to call vcsoe |
| 20:05.23 | Jo-W | doh lousy script |
| 20:05.24 | JeffM2501 | all the others call vsco something |
| 20:05.49 | Tupone | vcsoe is for validating with a character set, do you need to? |
| 20:05.55 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 20:05.55 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 20:06.05 | JeffM2501 | you continue to be 'the man' |
| 20:06.34 | Tupone | :) |
| 20:06.43 | JeffM2501 | sadly I can not test it here :( |
| 20:07.12 | Tupone | I used to copy the file to bzflstup.php and test :) |
| 20:07.40 | JeffM2501 | that's not the problem |
| 20:07.47 | JeffM2501 | can't run a server here that the list can get to |
| 20:07.49 | JeffM2501 | not at home |
| 20:08.07 | Tupone | ohh, no connection to home ? |
| 20:08.14 | JeffM2501 | not to the windows machine |
| 20:08.18 | JeffM2501 | it's off |
| 20:08.52 | Tupone | ahh :) I have a machine is always on, and perhaps you could use brlcad machine to test it :) |
| 20:09.14 | JeffM2501 | I have a linux system thats allways on too |
| 20:09.27 | JeffM2501 | but no makefile yet |
| 20:10.29 | Tupone | what distro ? ubanutu |
| 20:11.42 | bryjen | Tupone: he's working on something else, not bzflag directly |
| 20:12.02 | JeffM2501 | debian |
| 20:13.17 | Tupone | ahhh ... ok :) Understand now, I always think people here are working with bzflag. I should put a note someplace in my desktop that is not always true |
| 20:13.22 | JeffM2501 | I just have to learn more about makefiles |
| 20:14.11 | ToughShooter | Tupone: How about making BZFlag turn based, like a cardgame and validate everything on server? I think this would stop cheaters. ;) |
| 20:14.35 | Jo-W | sounds fun.... |
| 20:14.45 | JeffM2501 | bzciv |
| 20:14.45 | brlcad | and text based commands "turn left" "shoot 2" |
| 20:15.08 | Tupone | that would stop? no, they can use computer software to aim on the best tank |
| 20:15.08 | ToughShooter | lag wouldn't influence gameplay much then, too :) |
| 20:17.15 | BearPerson | by the way: How would the difference (Reported player pos) - (Expected player pos) work as a jitter measurement? |
| 20:17.24 | BearPerson | As opposed to ping length differences |
| 20:18.29 | Tupone | hmm, what about agility flag ? Even with no jitter you have big numbers |
| 20:18.44 | BearPerson | it'd need some adjustments to accomodate that and jumping and lag |
| 20:19.15 | BearPerson | but it might end up being something reasonably close to "perceived" jitter |
| 20:19.28 | BearPerson | of course, people moving less would score less |
| 20:19.59 | BearPerson | also, ME players would get a higher jitter score probably |
| 20:20.19 | BearPerson | but it might be a start to something that could be used for jitter auto-kick |
| 20:20.28 | ToughShooter | That would be a pain to check for admins |
| 20:20.55 | Tupone | you want that at server level ? |
| 20:22.58 | ToughShooter | One windowing mode switch while having the tank driving would be likely to kick otherwise good looking tanks |
| 20:23.36 | bryjen | with deadreckoning, the client waits until its current position deviates from the expect by an amount before reporting again |
| 20:24.36 | bryjen | s/expect/expected position/ |
| 20:24.54 | Jo-W | g |
| 20:26.10 | ToughShooter | If that would be against the mouse accelerated tanks I wonder why the reason of problems isn't fixed. |
| 20:27.37 | Tupone | ToughShooter: what is the reason ? |
| 20:29.02 | ToughShooter | Tupone: Dunno, but I hardly believe a different moving mouse could cause the known symptoms if there's no bug somewhere in code |
| 20:29.40 | Tupone | there is no bug. There is only a limit on allowed bandwidth |
| 20:30.05 | Tupone | and jittering of network |
| 20:30.34 | Tupone | with those value ME should not be allowed |
| 20:31.31 | ToughShooter | limit on allowed bandwidth depending on the physical connection or somewhere in code? |
| 20:31.46 | Tupone | we can send max 30 packet per socond |
| 20:31.49 | Tupone | second |
| 20:32.12 | bryjen | coded limit to avoid physical limit |
| 20:32.17 | Tupone | in a bzdb variable |
| 20:32.21 | BearPerson | I mean average jitter over some time |
| 20:32.34 | BearPerson | kick if it stays over a certain level for 3 minutes or something |
| 20:33.02 | BearPerson | you'd check dead reconed pos against new reported pos |
| 20:33.52 | bryjen | that will vary based on how they're driving. straight lines will match DR well, lots of zig-zaging will not. |
| 20:34.38 | ToughShooter | Hmm, couldn't be tested what the physical limit is and then let the amount of packets depend on that? :o |
| 20:34.47 | Tupone | BearPerson: you can do these check in client, server do not apply any DR |
| 20:35.29 | ToughShooter | All people on Mac OS X use mouse acceleration... |
| 20:36.27 | bryjen | ToughShooter: it can only be turned up as fast as the slowest player on the server, or your OC-3 will flood the slow person's dial-up ;) |
| 20:36.28 | ToughShooter | speed isn't controllable by default, for that you need a special driver |
| 20:37.09 | Tupone | ToughShooter: I can agree that you need that, I suggested a limit on tank acceleration that would make your mouse like a normal PC mouse |
| 20:37.48 | Tupone | so you would have equal condition on all kind of architecture |
| 20:38.04 | ToughShooter | Yeah, that would take away the better dodging abilities |
| 20:38.15 | Tupone | of the Mac ? |
| 20:38.33 | Tupone | so MAC user want to mantain the advantage? |
| 20:39.06 | bryjen | Tupone: they need to feel they're getting something special for the extra $ |
| 20:39.07 | bryjen | ;_ |
| 20:39.12 | Tupone | :) |
| 20:39.13 | bryjen | ;) even |
| 20:39.50 | BearPerson | if(abs(newMousePos - MousePos)/deltaTime > allowedChange) MousePos += allowedChange/deltaTime; else MousePos=newMousePos; |
| 20:40.08 | ToughShooter | Well, if they would look smooth moving like other tanks I don't think it would be a big problem |
| 20:40.21 | BearPerson | though you need to modify the += to work for increase and decrease |
| 20:40.46 | ToughShooter | also you have disadvantages with mouse acceleration, can't control the shots destination as good as with speed |
| 20:41.46 | Tupone | ToughShooter: big tank acceleration are a big problem with jittered player, you can use that only in a lan area |
| 20:42.08 | ToughShooter | sigh |
| 20:42.44 | Tupone | if you say Mac people need to use that for their mouse is otherwise to fault, you could use ME, but server need to limit the rate . I don't see any other good solution |
| 20:43.15 | ToughShooter | prolly you're right |
| 20:43.25 | Tupone | all players should be treated the same :/ |
| 20:43.42 | ToughShooter | nbut I've tested it with -a and the tank has felt very different to me |
| 20:43.58 | Tupone | what value have you tested ? |
| 20:44.14 | ToughShooter | dunno remember now |
| 20:45.10 | ToughShooter | What should be close to the possible movements of mouse speed using tanks? |
| 20:45.31 | Tupone | you could try the suggested value when you start a server without -a |
| 20:45.58 | Tupone | those seems good to me and few other people that had occasion to test |
| 20:48.32 | JeffM2501 | uggg cleaning up after munchkins is such a chore |
| 20:48.54 | JeffM2501 | if anyone knows WinXP or Eagle, can you tell them to cut there babble war out |
| 20:51.20 | ToughShooter | Tupone: The tank is very obviously moving different |
| 20:51.26 | Tupone | yep |
| 20:51.35 | Tupone | it should |
| 20:51.45 | Tupone | that is part of the limiting |
| 20:51.52 | ToughShooter | Around 3 times less been able to change direction |
| 20:52.28 | ToughShooter | but still, agility is hard to use |
| 20:52.32 | Tupone | I'm worried about linear speed, you could try a bigger value for the 2nd parameter |
| 20:52.46 | Tupone | the angular one |
| 20:54.15 | ToughShooter | I think it actually is a good setting, it rather matches what I've seen from other tanks as observer |
| 20:55.45 | ToughShooter | but the movement of the cursor doesn't change, so then there is no advantage in dodging but still the probs with agility and shooting straight shots while accelerating the tank |
| 20:56.43 | Tupone | ToughShooter: think as you have a heavier tank, and cursor movement is just the steering wheel, and gas :) |
| 20:57.27 | Tupone | we should build an environment simulator, to feel the real movement |
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| 20:59.33 | ToughShooter | Could it be possible to make agility overreact when cursor gets slightly not straight forward from down to top etc when the player uses mouse speed? |
| 21:01.10 | Tupone | we could eventually give agility an 2x acceleration ... still raising problem with jittered but only in such case. Need to experiment |
| 21:01.58 | ToughShooter | I mean then the mouse speed people should feel the disadvantages, too >:) |
| 21:03.54 | Tupone | I hope you like my next change :/ |
| 21:03.57 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (MainMenu.cxx MainMenu.h bzflag.cxx playing.cxx): Config file is saved only on request, not everytime we exit the client |
| 21:15.29 | ToughShooter | Tupone: Can you enlighten me, why -a isn't used by default? I know there was a reason said in this channels but my editors lock when opening the huge log my client has collected. |
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| 21:16.09 | Tupone | DTRemenak pointed at server with speed greater then normal |
| 21:17.03 | Tupone | I still assume they have problem with acceleration and jitter, but DTRemenak objection was that the tank feeling was very different |
| 21:17.37 | ToughShooter | Well, it feels like having another type of tank |
| 21:17.53 | Tupone | most of the greatest jumping player are at gu.de :) |
| 21:17.56 | Tupone | now |
| 21:21.42 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/server/ (inc/server.h src/listConnection.cpp src/server.cpp): |
| 21:21.42 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: externalise game mode string |
| 21:21.42 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: use post for sending to list server |
| 21:28.59 | ToughShooter | Ah, I finally found it. GUI editors for such logfiles are...not good. :/ |
| 21:29.08 | ruskie | :) |
| 21:29.35 | ToughShooter | Even the line numbers show intensive blurring when scrolling |
| 21:33.01 | Tupone | SportyGal: hi :) |
| 21:33.22 | ToughShooter | Hi SportyGal |
| 21:37.14 | SportyGal | s/u/up |
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| 21:38.36 | SportyGal | !weather 90277 |
| 21:38.39 | TheLastSpartan | SportyGal: The current temperature in Weather Underground is 77°F. |
| 21:38.43 | SportyGal | nice |
| 21:39.51 | ToughShooter | Hmpf, that's a little bit more than the half of my hd temperature |
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| 22:00.00 | RPG_ | does anyone have a link for a utility that mounts NTFS drives on Linux, that you've actually had success with? |
| 22:01.41 | RPG_ | "had success with" is the key phrase |
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| 22:02.02 | brlcad | RPG_: of course |
| 22:04.33 | RPG_ | brlcad: do you have a link? |
| 22:04.37 | orchid | RPG_: the mount command, or add it too your /etc/fstab |
| 22:04.58 | RPG_ | this is an NTFS drive though |
| 22:05.35 | orchid | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:05.45 | orchid | thats mine |
| 22:06.02 | orchid | mkdir /mnt/ntfs first or some other name |
| 22:07.18 | RPG_ | keep in mind i'm new to this |
| 22:07.23 | brlcad | RPG_: 'mount' works just fine, presuming you have a kernel that either has the ntfs module or ntfs support is compiled in |
| 22:07.54 | BearPerson | you just have to imply that success != full write support |
| 22:08.02 | RPG_ | i only need read |
| 22:08.20 | BearPerson | works here too |
| 22:08.32 | BearPerson | mount /dev/foo /some/where -t ntfs |
| 22:08.58 | BearPerson | check if ntfs is in /proc/filesystems |
| 22:09.02 | RPG_ | mount: unknown filesystem type 'ntfs' |
| 22:09.03 | RPG_ | mennh |
| 22:09.44 | Tupone | RPG_: what linux flavour? |
| 22:09.47 | brlcad | sounds like you don't have kernel support |
| 22:09.53 | RPG_ | FC4, 64bit |
| 22:10.19 | Tupone | with stock kernel? |
| 22:10.21 | brlcad | RPG_: mount_[tab][tab] says waht? |
| 22:10.27 | RPG_ | stock |
| 22:10.58 | RPG_ | bash: mount_: command not found |
| 22:11.22 | brlcad | hit tab, not enter |
| 22:11.37 | RPG_ | it makes a funky noise when i hit tab |
| 22:11.38 | Tupone | http://www.mjmwired.net/resources/mjm-fedora-fc4.html#ntfs |
| 22:11.58 | brlcad | RPG_: that's why you hit it twice.. if it still beeps, you have none |
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| 22:12.18 | RPG_ | still beeps after twice |
| 22:12.39 | brlcad | that means you have no mount_ commands/wrappers |
| 22:12.53 | brlcad | which doesn't mean anything other than you're not automatically set up |
| 22:14.17 | Tupone | seems that FC4 stock kernel does not manage ntfs. Need a modules for that, or kernel recompiling. You could follow the link there, even if I do not take any responsability for what is written. I have gentoo not FC |
| 22:14.39 | RPG_ | i'm doing the link onw |
| 22:22.48 | BearPerson | try "modprobe ntfs" |
| 22:23.21 | RPG_ | i'm already past that step :) |
| 22:25.43 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/client/ (inc/serverList.h src/serverList.cpp): client list server class |
| 22:26.16 | RPG_ | tupone i love your link |
| 22:26.19 | RPG_ | ~Tupone++ |
| 22:26.39 | Tupone | hehe, good to know it work |
| 22:30.09 | RPG_ | um... what's the command for unmounting? |
| 22:30.15 | RPG_ | i made a tiny error |
| 22:30.20 | Tupone | umount <dir name> |
| 22:33.20 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/ (8 files in 4 dirs): get client to use list server class |
| 22:38.45 | RPG_ | hmm, how do i edit my /etc/fstab file? It appears to be read only |
| 22:39.37 | orchid | you need to be root |
| 22:40.37 | RPG_ | by "being root", i assume i can only do this in a termanal then, because i can't be root in something like Kedit |
| 22:41.05 | BenUrban | RPG_: kdesu kwrite /etc/fstab |
| 22:41.22 | BenUrban | of course you'd need to have kdesu installed |
| 22:42.56 | RPG_ | thanks |
| 22:43.03 | RPG_ | ~BenUrban++ |
| 22:43.11 | BenUrban | :) |
| 22:43.16 | BenUrban | ~karma BenUrban |
| 22:43.16 | ibot | benurban has karma of -2 |
| 22:43.20 | BenUrban | haha |
| 22:43.34 | RPG_ | I'm trying to smooth off the edges of Linux |
| 22:43.39 | BenUrban | ... |
| 22:43.41 | RPG_ | hopefully to run it full-time |
| 22:43.46 | BenUrban | what distro? |
| 22:43.49 | RPG_ | FC4 |
| 22:43.59 | RPG_ | although a friend recommended "vector linux" |
| 22:44.15 | BenUrban | if you wannt learn linux fast |
| 22:44.19 | BenUrban | :) |
| 22:44.21 | orchid | RPG_: I really reccomend learning even the most simple terminal editor, nano, pico or something, if you loose X and cannot edit a file your kinda stuck |
| 22:44.35 | JeffM2501 | and X is easy to loose |
| 22:44.45 | JeffM2501 | linux has little pointy clicky config |
| 22:44.50 | BenUrban | JeffM2501: it's even easier to lose ;) |
| 22:44.53 | JeffM2501 | and the ones it has don't allways work the way you expect |
| 22:46.18 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/server/src/server.cpp: standarise default port |
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| 23:08.04 | orchid | thats what I have, nice eh? |
| 23:12.52 | learner | TimRiker, the same could probably be said of "ed" for when there is no vi, nano, pico, or whatever ;) |
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| 23:14.46 | learner | personally, I'd just install emacs and be done with it of course since that's what one should eventually be using anyways :) |
| 23:18.07 | TimRiker | learner: ahh. tru that. and most of those work in ed. but realistically I it's been forever since I was on a machine that had ex but not vi. |
| 23:26.23 | SportChick | TimRiker: sorry for the interrogation the other day |
| 23:27.11 | TimRiker | SportChick: np. actually I'm glad to see you looking out for me. ;-) |
| 23:27.18 | SportChick | hehe |
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| 23:47.15 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/plugins/HoldTheFlag/ (README.txt README): README.txt |
| 23:47.42 | Naka | Can anyone help with this website music problem. I need to know how to make the music run on the page without it making me download it. |
| 23:49.15 | JeffM2501 | it's generaly not a function of a browser, you usualy have to invoke some sort of player |
| 23:49.30 | JeffM2501 | and generaly dosn't work on all browsers |
| 23:49.39 | Naka | hmm |
| 23:49.46 | JeffM2501 | flash usualy works most consitently |
| 23:49.58 | JeffM2501 | tho auto play music is usualy anoying as well |
| 23:50.41 | Naka | hmm |
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