| 00:01.35 | Silent_Swan | hmm... i wonder if it's cheaper to cook for myself or to continue getting take out or eating in restaurants |
| 00:01.58 | Silent_Swan | JeffM2501 i HATE when people do that... because *I* didn't do it first ;] |
| 00:02.01 | purple_cow | depends on the kind of stuff you cook :) |
| 00:02.12 | JeffM2501 | yeah can you cook |
| 00:02.19 | Silent_Swan | not very well |
| 00:02.24 | Silent_Swan | as long as i have recipes |
| 00:02.27 | JeffM2501 | Silent_Swan, I don't realy mind, cus I want to use the thigns, and not spend the time making them :) |
| 00:02.31 | Silent_Swan | but... i've little patience for it |
| 00:02.44 | JeffM2501 | subversion shell integration on OSX :) |
| 00:02.53 | Silent_Swan | ahh |
| 00:04.23 | Silent_Swan | bah, no matter.. i've been drinking or smoking my dinner lately anyway |
| 00:05.11 | JeffM2501 | it's all about the cheesecake :) |
| 00:05.20 | Silent_Swan | there's that word again |
| 00:05.26 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: did you happen to get an responce when you /msg ed the people in #freenode, cause I am not getting anything |
| 00:05.39 | JeffM2501 | I've never had to |
| 00:05.44 | JeffM2501 | I never locked myself out |
| 00:05.49 | JeffM2501 | who are you messaging |
| 00:05.55 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: is there anyother way? |
| 00:06.00 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: random people |
| 00:06.03 | JeffM2501 | who are you messaging |
| 00:06.10 | Silent_Swan | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:06.12 | purple_cow | the most important part of cooking is to just not be afraid |
| 00:06.25 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, did you READ what it says in the topic? |
| 00:06.31 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: yes |
| 00:06.33 | purple_cow | there's nothing wrong with using recipes |
| 00:06.44 | Silent_Swan | i know |
| 00:06.54 | Silent_Swan | but.. i just don't have the energy to cook most times |
| 00:07.04 | Silent_Swan | it was a challenge just boiling up pasta tonight |
| 00:07.26 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, did you msg lilo? |
| 00:07.27 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 00:07.29 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: I've messaged 3 people so far, no responce |
| 00:07.52 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: he is away |
| 00:07.57 | JeffM2501 | then you get to wait |
| 00:08.02 | Ice_Wewe | nuts |
| 00:08.13 | *** part/#bzflag Ice_Wewe (n=Ice_Wewe@ppp-216-106-107-249.storm.ca) |
| 00:08.21 | Silent_Swan | ooooooooook then |
| 00:08.32 | Silent_Swan | what is he trying to do there anyway? |
| 00:08.45 | wizatmac | aparently the bzedit dosen't like objects of "physics" or "mesh" |
| 00:08.52 | *** join/#bzflag Ice_Wewe (n=Ice_Wewe@ppp-216-106-107-249.storm.ca) |
| 00:08.57 | JeffM2501 | he locked himself out of his channel |
| 00:09.04 | JeffM2501 | wizatmac, ohh god no |
| 00:09.09 | Silent_Swan | ah |
| 00:09.10 | JeffM2501 | those are all 2.0 features |
| 00:09.18 | wizatmac | i noticed |
| 00:09.19 | JeffM2501 | there is no visual editor for the new stuff |
| 00:09.20 | Ice_Wewe | back |
| 00:09.23 | wizatmac | darn |
| 00:09.47 | Ice_Wewe | Password accepted - you are now recognized as a contact for [#bzfrag] |
| 00:09.50 | Ice_Wewe | so that means what? |
| 00:09.54 | Ice_Wewe | I can't op myself |
| 00:10.02 | Ice_Wewe | what can a contact do?! |
| 00:10.05 | JeffM2501 | dude, read the freenode help stuff |
| 00:10.20 | JeffM2501 | we arn't here to support your IRC endevors |
| 00:10.53 | Ice_Wewe | brad2901 helped |
| 00:10.56 | JeffM2501 | it's like going to a car dealership and asking "how do I drive" |
| 00:10.59 | Ice_Wewe | ~brad2901++ |
| 00:11.00 | JeffM2501 | great |
| 00:11.06 | JeffM2501 | good for him |
| 00:11.06 | Ice_Wewe | ~karma brad2901 |
| 00:11.06 | ibot | brad2901 has karma of 28 |
| 00:11.27 | RPG_ | ~karma RPG_ |
| 00:11.27 | ibot | rpg_ has karma of 1 |
| 00:11.28 | JeffM2501 | but notice he helped you in a /msg ;) |
| 00:11.32 | RPG_ | ~karma RPG |
| 00:11.32 | ibot | rpg has karma of 12 |
| 00:12.29 | Ice_Wewe | haha |
| 00:12.48 | Ice_Wewe | brad2901: for that, you become an admin @ bzfrag |
| 00:13.16 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: how do I configure chanserv to auto op me? |
| 00:13.26 | JeffM2501 | *sigh* |
| 00:13.49 | JeffM2501 | why shuld i tell you? it's not like you read anything else I type |
| 00:14.07 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: I am looking right now! |
| 00:14.19 | JeffM2501 | then what have I just been saying? |
| 00:14.21 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: not true, I think I've read one readme in my life |
| 00:14.35 | Silent_Swan | *burp* i ate too much |
| 00:15.16 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, what does that have to do with ANYTHING? |
| 00:15.30 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: you were complaining that I never read |
| 00:15.35 | JeffM2501 | and you don't |
| 00:15.40 | JeffM2501 | obviously |
| 00:15.44 | JeffM2501 | at least not here |
| 00:15.59 | JeffM2501 | I never said a thing about a readme |
| 00:16.17 | Ice_Wewe | I know |
| 00:16.17 | wizatmac | what does it take to become a developer for bzflag on SF? |
| 00:16.25 | Ice_Wewe | just proving I read something sometimes |
| 00:16.37 | Silent_Swan | 19:14<Ice_Wewe> JeffM2501: not true, I think I've read one readme in my life |
| 00:16.39 | Silent_Swan | once? |
| 00:16.49 | Ice_Wewe | yea, probably |
| 00:16.57 | JeffM2501 | wizatmac, usualy you make a couple patches, get a real dev to commit them, and if we think you'll work outt we ask Tim or purple_cow to add you |
| 00:17.03 | wizatmac | alright |
| 00:17.41 | Silent_Swan | uh oh... full moon tonight |
| 00:17.45 | Silent_Swan | *sigh* it's time to kill again |
| 00:17.47 | Ice_Wewe | Silent_Swan: I've read tonnes of books before, just not ReadMe's, they bore me |
| 00:17.50 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, did you see the part about where I said we arn't here to support your use of freenode? |
| 00:18.01 | Ice_Wewe | no... |
| 00:18.02 | JeffM2501 | cus you seemed to have glossed right over that one |
| 00:18.10 | JeffM2501 | hence why I ask if you can freaking read |
| 00:18.33 | blast007 | Ice_Wewe: if we tell you the exact process to do something, then you'll have to ask us again later when the situation is a bit different |
| 00:18.41 | blast007 | so learn how to figure it out yourself |
| 00:18.43 | purple_cow | it's funny, 'cuz he said it like 10 times |
| 00:23.05 | Ice_Wewe | wizatmac: oh oh oh, fix the server not replaying games bug! |
| 00:23.12 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: to what, blonde? |
| 00:23.18 | JeffM2501 | umm no |
| 00:23.26 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: to what, red head? |
| 00:23.39 | wizatmac | Ice_Wewe: i've never used the replay feature |
| 00:23.41 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: to what, camo? |
| 00:23.46 | JeffM2501 | box says rosewood |
| 00:24.19 | JeffM2501 | what ever floats your boat man |
| 00:24.23 | Ice_Wewe | wizatmac: oh, well when you do, you'll find out that it doesn't work |
| 00:24.30 | JeffM2501 | going blond is very hard on your hair |
| 00:24.44 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, just debug it and see where it crashes |
| 00:24.47 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: so that would be a reddish colours |
| 00:24.58 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: I did, and no one listened! |
| 00:25.00 | JeffM2501 | or how about this? just REPORT it so somone could actualy fix it |
| 00:25.07 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, you didn't debug it |
| 00:25.11 | Ice_Wewe | broken link src: -1 |
| 00:25.11 | Ice_Wewe | Map size: uncompressed = 16556, compressed = 1761 |
| 00:25.11 | Ice_Wewe | Player [200] accept() from 127.0.0.1:48688 on 5 |
| 00:25.11 | Ice_Wewe | Segmentation fault |
| 00:25.13 | Ice_Wewe | yes I did! |
| 00:25.14 | JeffM2501 | you posted the message that said it crashes |
| 00:25.18 | JeffM2501 | THAT IS NOT DEBUGING |
| 00:25.26 | Ice_Wewe | that was all the debug it gave me! |
| 00:25.26 | JeffM2501 | you have to run it in a debuger |
| 00:25.29 | JeffM2501 | exactly |
| 00:25.32 | Ice_Wewe | like? |
| 00:25.35 | JeffM2501 | that is why you need to get more |
| 00:25.40 | JeffM2501 | gdb or x code |
| 00:25.41 | Ice_Wewe | what kind of debugger? |
| 00:25.53 | JeffM2501 | tho I doubt you have the knowledge to run one |
| 00:25.58 | JeffM2501 | for you, best would be to submit a repot |
| 00:26.01 | JeffM2501 | with the recording |
| 00:26.05 | JeffM2501 | and let a developer look into it |
| 00:26.09 | Ice_Wewe | repot... lol |
| 00:26.14 | JeffM2501 | and see where it crashes |
| 00:26.25 | JeffM2501 | laguh if you want it ain't gonna get you help any faster man |
| 00:26.33 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: or I could learn something for once, and try to get gdb working |
| 00:26.43 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: were you aware that you make typos? |
| 00:26.52 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, can you even build bzflag for at all |
| 00:26.55 | Ice_Wewe | bruhaha |
| 00:26.57 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, ohh yeah, but he know what I meant |
| 00:27.04 | JeffM2501 | but he thinks it's a joke |
| 00:27.15 | JeffM2501 | and that ain't winning him any points |
| 00:27.16 | Ice_Wewe | I do not, its just funny to see you finally make a mistake |
| 00:27.23 | purple_cow | finally? |
| 00:27.24 | JeffM2501 | I make assloads of mistakes |
| 00:27.27 | JeffM2501 | everyone knows that |
| 00:27.30 | JeffM2501 | I'm a horrible typist |
| 00:27.38 | Ice_Wewe | so how would I go about compiling bzflag with gdb debugging enabled? |
| 00:27.48 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, read the readme |
| 00:28.00 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: the configure one? or the bzflag one? |
| 00:28.06 | JeffM2501 | all of them |
| 00:28.13 | JeffM2501 | tho you probably want xcode |
| 00:28.18 | JeffM2501 | since your on that thar 'tosh |
| 00:28.33 | JeffM2501 | assuming you have a compiler installed |
| 00:28.35 | Ice_Wewe | E486: Pattern not found: gdb |
| 00:28.37 | Ice_Wewe | I do! |
| 00:28.45 | Ice_Wewe | gdb was not found in the readme file |
| 00:28.46 | JeffM2501 | then use it |
| 00:29.35 | JeffM2501 | or install gdb |
| 00:29.40 | Ice_Wewe | gdb is installed |
| 00:30.01 | JeffM2501 | then you should be good to go |
| 00:30.39 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: so if I made it, with no special options, with gdb installed, it should have that sort of debugging? |
| 00:31.08 | JeffM2501 | you may get a callstack |
| 00:31.13 | *** join/#bzflag RPG_ (n=G-bus@c-24-15-87-171.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 00:31.13 | JeffM2501 | but that won't tell you what you need |
| 00:31.20 | JeffM2501 | do you even know C++? |
| 00:31.35 | Ice_Wewe | nope |
| 00:31.50 | JeffM2501 | then you are not going to understand what it tells you |
| 00:31.54 | JeffM2501 | report the error |
| 00:31.56 | JeffM2501 | on sourceforge |
| 00:31.59 | JeffM2501 | with the recording |
| 00:32.10 | JeffM2501 | so a developer can see where it crashes in the code |
| 00:32.10 | Ice_Wewe | the recording is 16MB... |
| 00:32.17 | JeffM2501 | so zip it |
| 00:32.23 | Ice_Wewe | tar ok? |
| 00:32.24 | JeffM2501 | or host it as a link somewhere |
| 00:32.27 | JeffM2501 | whatever |
| 00:32.40 | JeffM2501 | with out it, they can't duplicate your crash |
| 00:32.58 | purple_cow | tar is just an archive. you need to compress it somehow (zip, gzip, bzip2, etc) :P |
| 00:33.06 | Ice_Wewe | why would they be able to anyway, since I seem to be having the problem with every computer I put it on |
| 00:33.30 | JeffM2501 | you answered your own question |
| 00:33.36 | JeffM2501 | if it dupes on more then one machine |
| 00:33.37 | Ice_Wewe | ahh, I see |
| 00:33.41 | JeffM2501 | then they can dupe it too.... |
| 00:33.43 | Ice_Wewe | maybe it is my config file then? |
| 00:33.49 | JeffM2501 | send it all up |
| 00:33.56 | JeffM2501 | more info is better |
| 00:34.02 | Ice_Wewe | ok |
| 00:34.07 | Ice_Wewe | its already gzipped |
| 00:34.12 | JeffM2501 | good for it |
| 00:34.18 | Ice_Wewe | I guess I should include a text file with the error as well |
| 00:34.26 | JeffM2501 | more info is better |
| 00:36.03 | wizatmac | i've come to the conclusion that most of the people on SF that have feature requests/bugs reports/etc can't write good sentences |
| 00:36.28 | JeffM2501 | i've come to the conclusion that most users can't |
| 00:36.35 | wizatmac | and also people don't understand the system of putting the right request in the right catagory |
| 00:36.47 | RPG_ | I put a patch on SF a few days ago, but got no feedback about it, does that mean it's been "rejected"? |
| 00:36.59 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, no |
| 00:37.05 | JeffM2501 | it just means noone looked there :) |
| 00:37.09 | RPG_ | oh |
| 00:37.20 | RPG_ | I thought ya'll got those digests of everything that was posted |
| 00:37.42 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure somone does |
| 00:37.48 | wizatmac | this one |
| 00:37.48 | wizatmac | ? |
| 00:37.48 | JeffM2501 | dosn't mean they do anything about it |
| 00:37.49 | wizatmac | Tell the admins when people attempt server password |
| 00:38.04 | JeffM2501 | just bug somone to apply it |
| 00:38.11 | RPG_ | yes |
| 00:38.18 | RPG_ | JeffM2501: bug. |
| 00:39.02 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: ok, the ReadMe is done, the tar is done, where do I go to upload it? |
| 00:39.06 | wizatmac | RPG_: i like how your 2 previous patches do the opposite of each other =) |
| 00:39.15 | RPG_ | eh? |
| 00:39.15 | blast007 | Ice_Wewe: sourceforge |
| 00:39.15 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, where did I tell you to report it? |
| 00:39.25 | JeffM2501 | i mean DAMN dude |
| 00:39.28 | JeffM2501 | you can't be that... |
| 00:39.37 | RPG_ | oh yes those two |
| 00:39.50 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: right right right |
| 00:39.50 | wizatmac | yup |
| 00:39.58 | RPG_ | they were both trying to standardize the way the flag name is displayed |
| 00:42.19 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, you don't have to send the message to play the custom sound |
| 00:42.27 | JeffM2501 | the client will do that when it gets the admin msg |
| 00:42.58 | RPG_ | not when it gets it form SERVER |
| 00:43.15 | RPG_ | the client is silent when it recieves messages on the admin channel from the server |
| 00:43.15 | JeffM2501 | the play sound is unstable |
| 00:43.31 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, I made a change where it can play sounds for server messages |
| 00:43.35 | JeffM2501 | let the client handle it's sounds |
| 00:43.38 | RPG_ | oh |
| 00:43.39 | RPG_ | ok |
| 00:43.40 | JeffM2501 | some people may not want sounds |
| 00:44.33 | Ice_Wewe | Err JeffM2501, SF wont accept the file |
| 00:44.41 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, no it's pobably too big |
| 00:44.51 | Ice_Wewe | it says something about invalid file name |
| 00:44.53 | JeffM2501 | that is why I said you'd have to host it and post it as a link |
| 00:44.59 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: record a smaller match? |
| 00:45.03 | wizatmac | Ice_Wewe: what did you name it? |
| 00:45.15 | Ice_Wewe | wizatmac: bzfs.tar.bz2 |
| 00:45.32 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: uhh, you might need the map file too? |
| 00:45.40 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: or does the replay contain it? |
| 00:45.42 | JeffM2501 | more info is better |
| 00:45.46 | JeffM2501 | more info is better |
| 00:45.47 | RPG_ | Ice_Wewe: stop asking stupid questions like these; questions that you know the answer to. Figure them out for yourself. If it's too big for SF, host it elsewhere, and post a link. If the filename is invalid, take out any suspicious characters. |
| 00:45.49 | Ice_Wewe | I see |
| 00:46.13 | Ice_Wewe | ok |
| 00:46.14 | RPG_ | Most of us don't feel like thinking for you ronight |
| 00:46.17 | wizatmac | Ice_Wewe: put it on yousendit.com and paste the link here |
| 00:46.19 | trepan | recordings contain their maps |
| 00:46.38 | *** join/#bzflag sgk284 (n=stevek@ACA95840.ipt.aol.com) |
| 00:47.15 | Ice_Wewe | wizatmac: email address to send it to? |
| 00:47.31 | wizatmac | Ice_Wewe: email it to yourself and paste the link it gives you here |
| 00:47.44 | blast007 | well, not here, on the bug report |
| 00:47.58 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (ChangeLog src/bzfs/commands.cxx): patch 1326240, Tell the admins when people attempt server password |
| 00:48.06 | wizatmac | yousendit.com's links last 7 days though |
| 00:48.13 | wizatmac | so i'm just curious why SF rejects it |
| 00:48.20 | JeffM2501 | it's too big |
| 00:48.29 | JeffM2501 | can't post more then a couple 100 k |
| 00:48.38 | wizatmac | oh |
| 00:48.38 | wizatmac | ok |
| 00:48.51 | Ice_Wewe | http://s25.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0PDUMGLIH2WXQ0IU87XSI489MT |
| 00:49.02 | Ice_Wewe | it worked |
| 00:49.04 | JeffM2501 | or maybe sf is just a force for darwinism |
| 00:49.26 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, what if noone fixes it in 7 days? |
| 00:49.41 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: send me a reminder and I'll repost it |
| 00:49.58 | JeffM2501 | why should I have to send YOU a reminder? |
| 00:50.05 | blast007 | geez.. |
| 00:50.07 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: or better yet, you run it with your uber-debugging and tell all the devel guys what you send |
| 00:50.13 | Ice_Wewe | saw* |
| 00:50.23 | JeffM2501 | I won't be fixing that bug |
| 00:50.25 | JeffM2501 | no way |
| 00:50.32 | Ice_Wewe | it doesn't have to be you |
| 00:50.37 | wizatmac | Ice_Wewe: what is the bug? |
| 00:50.47 | RPG_ | Ice_Wewe: back to the "think for youself" thing |
| 00:50.47 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: and is that just because I noticed it? |
| 00:50.49 | JeffM2501 | I'm just saying that using that URL, it will crap out in 7 days |
| 00:50.56 | JeffM2501 | that REALY limits who can fix it |
| 00:51.11 | Ice_Wewe | wizatmac: the server will not replay matches, it seg faults |
| 00:51.14 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, I don't know much about the guts of recording |
| 00:51.21 | JeffM2501 | and I don't fix many bugs these days |
| 00:51.23 | Ice_Wewe | wizatmac: if you already have a fix for this, please let us know |
| 00:51.40 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: then I'll post it on bzbb |
| 00:51.43 | wizatmac | i'll take a look at it |
| 00:51.45 | sgk284 | ice_wewe whats the problem? |
| 00:52.02 | Ice_Wewe | sgk284: I just explained it |
| 00:52.15 | JeffM2501 | he crashes when replaing |
| 00:52.16 | Ice_Wewe | sgk284: the server will not replay matches, it seg faults |
| 00:52.22 | sgk284 | oh ok |
| 00:53.12 | sgk284 | Ice_Wewe, if you can compile it yourself, recompile enable debugging, and post detailed info on sf.net or something |
| 00:53.30 | JeffM2501 | sgk284, umm you got here late, but that's what he's doing |
| 00:53.31 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: I think its my magical touch, since someone else had a replay server, a fairly recent version, replaying a match, maybe its just me ) |
| 00:53.45 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, orrrrrr maybe just your file. |
| 00:53.46 | sgk284 | JeffM2501, thanks:) i'll just shut up now heh |
| 00:53.49 | Ice_Wewe | sgk284: I did compile this myself, with debugging enabled |
| 00:54.05 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: and why would that be? BZFS made it... |
| 00:54.20 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, I don't know, that's why you are SUBMITING THE BUG |
| 00:55.16 | JeffM2501 | had I known what was wrong, I'd have told you, or fixed it when your started this |
| 00:56.50 | trepan | 5155 played without probs, get a gdb backtrace |
| 00:57.27 | Ice_Wewe | WHAT?! |
| 00:57.42 | Ice_Wewe | trepan: then why is mine messed? or is that self explanitory? |
| 00:57.52 | RPG_ | Ice_Wewe: are you doing the simple things, like starting the server in replay mode? |
| 00:58.56 | sgk284 | heh i find this amusing... i'm dealing with a cxx file where every block comment is done using #if 0 .... #endif wow that is annoying |
| 00:59.10 | sgk284 | but i digres... |
| 00:59.12 | RPG_ | who wrote that a monkey? |
| 00:59.32 | sgk284 | lol some kid i'm working on a project with at my college |
| 00:59.40 | RPG_ | heh |
| 00:59.51 | sgk284 | darn team projects |
| 00:59.52 | Ice_Wewe | RPG_ yes |
| 00:59.57 | RPG_ | does he not know about //, /*, and #? |
| 00:59.57 | trepan | Ice_Wewe: try starting your replay server with simply: bzfs -replay |
| 01:00.02 | Ice_Wewe | RPG_ oh, wait, no |
| 01:00.08 | Ice_Wewe | RPG_ I start it in play mode |
| 01:00.18 | Ice_Wewe | RPG_ record, then stop, then switch to replay mode |
| 01:00.23 | RPG_ | oh |
| 01:00.24 | trepan | (and possibly -recdir if your have your recordings in a non-default dir) |
| 01:00.48 | Ice_Wewe | trepan: yes, I put my recordings on a non-default dir |
| 01:00.51 | Ice_Wewe | trepan: why? |
| 01:01.30 | trepan | Ice_Wewe: my limited patience is spent |
| 01:01.38 | Ice_Wewe | trepan: they go in /home/wewe/bzfs/recordings/5155/ |
| 01:02.02 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 01:02.02 | blast007 | what's in your vars.txt |
| 01:02.25 | blast007 | -recdir "/home/wili/bzfs/recordings/5155/" (already in the conf) |
| 01:02.31 | blast007 | oh, wiwi |
| 01:02.35 | Ice_Wewe | blast007: set _wingsJumpCount 3 |
| 01:02.35 | Ice_Wewe | set _agilityAdVel 5 |
| 01:02.35 | Ice_Wewe | set _agilityTimeWindow 5 |
| 01:02.37 | Ice_Wewe | thats it |
| 01:02.43 | blast007 | try fixing your path |
| 01:02.57 | Ice_Wewe | no, that is the correct path, I just like to use my nick |
| 01:03.07 | blast007 | <Ice_Wewe> trepan: they go in /home/wewe/bzfs/recordings/5155/ |
| 01:03.10 | Ice_Wewe | that is the real path |
| 01:03.11 | blast007 | you said wewe there |
| 01:03.17 | Ice_Wewe | yes I know |
| 01:03.18 | blast007 | but in the conf, it's wili |
| 01:03.25 | Ice_Wewe | the conf is right |
| 01:03.33 | Ice_Wewe | I happen to use my real name on my PC, like most people |
| 01:04.11 | Ice_Wewe | aside from that? |
| 01:04.18 | Ice_Wewe | any other problems? |
| 01:04.28 | Ice_Wewe | other than my lack of organization with maps... |
| 01:05.21 | Ice_Wewe | any other concerns? |
| 01:06.47 | sgk284 | wait a second... |
| 01:06.57 | Ice_Wewe | waiting |
| 01:07.07 | sgk284 | your conf is pointing to /home/wili, but they are saved in /home/wewe? |
| 01:07.11 | Ice_Wewe | no |
| 01:07.16 | blast007 | bzfs crashed for me |
| 01:07.34 | Ice_Wewe | my real name is wili, and that is my home directory, I just felt like messing everyone up!!! |
| 01:07.34 | blast007 | on windows |
| 01:07.49 | Ice_Wewe | figures, its Windows |
| 01:07.55 | RPG_ | Ice_Wewe: how woudl you feel if we all felt like messing you up? |
| 01:08.09 | Ice_Wewe | RPG_ not very good |
| 01:08.10 | blast007 | Ice_Wewe: um, I mean, I duplicated your issue... :P |
| 01:08.10 | sgk284 | Ice_Wewe, side commentary is not necessary when folks are trying to help you |
| 01:08.28 | Ice_Wewe | sgk284: noted |
| 01:08.35 | RPG_ | as in, Ice_Wewe: Magnets and computers are one of the two most cool things you'll ever run into! |
| 01:08.50 | Ice_Wewe | RPG_ cool!~ |
| 01:08.52 | sgk284 | but since it appears you are purposely screwing with us... i'm just gonna let other folks handle it :) |
| 01:08.52 | RPG_ | so cool thing + cool thing == extra cool thing! |
| 01:09.04 | RPG_ | try it sometime |
| 01:09.04 | Ice_Wewe | sgk284: ok |
| 01:09.06 | RPG_ | or now |
| 01:09.12 | JeffM2501 | what's the point of helping you if your just gonna be an ass about it |
| 01:09.25 | JeffM2501 | submit your bug and see what happens |
| 01:10.17 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: in the interest of protecting my identity, I've tried to hide my real name, but it seems to be getting harder and harder... as in, I don't fool myself in my config files, it seems to have confused several people here, and for that I am sorry |
| 01:10.51 | JeffM2501 | whatever |
| 01:11.04 | Ice_Wewe | /home/wili/bzfs/ is the correct path, and always will be |
| 01:11.04 | JeffM2501 | you don't read what we say, and you don't think for yourself |
| 01:16.54 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: if I didn't think for myself, then how did I manage to get this error? |
| 01:17.01 | blast007 | might be the config file |
| 01:17.15 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: as I recall, I didn't ask anyone how to setup replay mode, I just did it |
| 01:17.34 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, infinate monkeys man |
| 01:17.35 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: I only came here to ask how I got it to record |
| 01:18.05 | RPG_ | Ice_Wewe: right now might be a good time to do that magnet exeriment with your hard drive |
| 01:18.09 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: just because I like bananas, and can't control my urge to scratch myself in places doesn't make me a mokey |
| 01:18.22 | wizatmac | woah.... |
| 01:18.24 | JeffM2501 | your not helping your case skip |
| 01:18.30 | wizatmac | that's something intresting to read |
| 01:18.32 | Ice_Wewe | RPG_ nah, floppy's are more fun, you only loose 2 MB, not 160GB |
| 01:18.55 | trepan | Ice_Wewe: had you follow my suggestion about running with a simpler configuration, you'd already have it working |
| 01:19.36 | Ice_Wewe | trepan: simpler configuration, and what is that, I don't think it can get much simpler, or by simpler you mean using the default dir? |
| 01:20.34 | RPG_ | by simple, he mens running "bzfs -replay" and thats' it |
| 01:20.40 | RPG_ | run bzfs with the ONE argument |
| 01:20.43 | RPG_ | UNO ONE |
| 01:21.28 | blast007 | bzfs -replay -recdir "whatever" -ddd -password something |
| 01:21.56 | blast007 | RPG_: cuz if there isn't any password, and no global login, you won't have access to the /replay command |
| 01:22.11 | RPG_ | oh |
| 01:22.14 | blast007 | and he's not using the default recdir |
| 01:22.26 | RPG_ | well i guess i shouldn't write a report and flame people at the same time, eh? |
| 01:22.37 | Ice_Wewe | bad argument "password" |
| 01:22.51 | trepan | it's -passwd |
| 01:23.11 | trepan | hm, either actually |
| 01:25.02 | Ice_Wewe | blast007: where is the default dir? |
| 01:25.22 | trepan | fix has been committed |
| 01:25.46 | Ice_Wewe | ok, well I g2g, sorry |
| 01:25.54 | Ice_Wewe | talk to you in the afternoon tomorrow |
| 01:26.12 | trepan | what unlucky soul was that directed towards? |
| 01:26.28 | Ice_Wewe | everyone |
| 01:26.30 | Ice_Wewe | gnite |
| 01:34.22 | blast007 | I can't even load that replay..says it's invalid |
| 01:36.04 | trepan | os? |
| 01:36.23 | blast007 | Windows XP |
| 01:36.31 | blast007 | cr/lf issue? |
| 01:37.17 | blast007 | seems to be a binary file though..hmm |
| 01:37.37 | trepan | filesize == 14332270? |
| 01:37.47 | trepan | the 5155 file... |
| 01:38.07 | blast007 | yup |
| 01:38.21 | blast007 | tried with 2.0.4 and a recent CVS build |
| 01:38.44 | trepan | can you open recs. that you've made on that os? |
| 01:39.02 | trepan | (and could you send me one made on your os?) |
| 01:39.47 | blast007 | I'll create one quick |
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| 02:09.05 | Inferno | JeffM2501, are you here ? |
| 02:10.00 | Inferno | ........... |
| 02:10.46 | Inferno | hello |
| 02:12.40 | Inferno | I'm just curious, is swearing aloud in bzflag. Like can I make a server and alow people to swear? |
| 02:13.21 | Inferno | oh yeah, and about sex... |
| 02:13.38 | JeffM2501 | I am now |
| 02:13.59 | Inferno | o kool |
| 02:14.00 | JeffM2501 | Inferno, you can do what ever you want on your own server, it's yours |
| 02:14.14 | JeffM2501 | you can not use swearing on our list server, IRC channel, or fourms |
| 02:14.20 | JeffM2501 | but you can do what you want in your server |
| 02:14.33 | Inferno | what about a public server... |
| 02:15.02 | Inferno | cause theres something about materials limited to bzflag.org .bz |
| 02:15.03 | JeffM2501 | if you use our public list server, you can't have any swearing in the publily listed name, |
| 02:15.19 | Inferno | OK, check this out then |
| 02:15.27 | JeffM2501 | and we'd ask that you make mention that it is an adult oriented server |
| 02:15.50 | JeffM2501 | we also will not host any inaproprate/inflamitory images for you |
| 02:15.51 | Inferno | 1badplayer.no-ip.org |
| 02:16.03 | Inferno | :4200 |
| 02:16.23 | JeffM2501 | so you want to be another mofo? |
| 02:16.39 | Inferno | mofo? |
| 02:16.46 | wizatmac | google it =) |
| 02:17.26 | JeffM2501 | yeah you know that map you are running |
| 02:17.29 | JeffM2501 | with MOFO on it |
| 02:17.32 | JeffM2501 | yeah that |
| 02:17.49 | JeffM2501 | or are you just pointing out mofo stuff? |
| 02:18.01 | Inferno | I'm pointing one out |
| 02:18.05 | JeffM2501 | yeah it's mofo |
| 02:18.10 | JeffM2501 | it's not new |
| 02:18.14 | JeffM2501 | whopty do |
| 02:18.25 | JeffM2501 | we have no controll over server content |
| 02:18.28 | Inferno | oh, so that means swearing and adult is aloud |
| 02:18.36 | JeffM2501 | if you don't like cursing, don't go to a map named "mofo" :) |
| 02:18.51 | JeffM2501 | a server op can allow or disallow what ever he wants on his server |
| 02:18.53 | JeffM2501 | it's HIS SERVER |
| 02:18.54 | Inferno | ok, I was just wondering |
| 02:19.44 | Inferno | ummm, there's still all though's laws the government makes against stuff...yeah |
| 02:19.49 | JeffM2501 | we don't allow swearing on the services the project iself provides |
| 02:20.02 | JeffM2501 | it is up to those server ops to handle there own laws |
| 02:20.07 | JeffM2501 | it's just like web pages |
| 02:20.22 | JeffM2501 | firefox dosn't "not allow" porn |
| 02:20.34 | JeffM2501 | it just views content |
| 02:20.35 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/RecordReplay.cxx: don't use struct sizes for packing replay files |
| 02:20.38 | JeffM2501 | it's the server that does it |
| 02:20.48 | trepan | should fix the interop |
| 02:21.22 | Inferno | ok, well they just said you would flip when you saw that miles registered the name "a bloody cunt"... |
| 02:21.44 | JeffM2501 | that is using our services |
| 02:21.46 | JeffM2501 | that we can not allow |
| 02:21.56 | Inferno | ok |
| 02:22.08 | Inferno | um, so did you flip :p |
| 02:22.18 | JeffM2501 | dude, I deal with this crap every day |
| 02:22.21 | JeffM2501 | it's nothing new |
| 02:22.25 | JeffM2501 | it's just idiots |
| 02:22.37 | Inferno | yeah, I agree |
| 02:22.50 | Inferno | he came to my server with that name...I banned him imediatly |
| 02:23.46 | JeffM2501 | do you require global auth? |
| 02:24.30 | Inferno | I don't even know |
| 02:24.37 | JeffM2501 | you probably should |
| 02:24.52 | Inferno | but I do get a plus sign when I log in, and I have global bans in my banlist |
| 02:25.40 | JeffM2501 | that happens by default |
| 02:25.46 | JeffM2501 | for every public server |
| 02:26.14 | Inferno | oh, so how do I require global login |
| 02:26.25 | Inferno | or auth |
| 02:29.12 | Inferno | JeffM2501, your nice for telling him...expecialy after he knew you would "flip" |
| 02:29.57 | JeffM2501 | too lazy to email |
| 02:30.03 | JeffM2501 | and saw him there before so... |
| 02:30.56 | Inferno | now they are wondering how you found out hehe |
| 02:31.13 | JeffM2501 | it shows up at the bottom of the freaking mainpage |
| 02:31.20 | JeffM2501 | did they thinK I would not see? |
| 02:31.25 | Inferno | yeah |
| 02:33.34 | Inferno | he's going to try another name..."anonymously" |
| 02:34.51 | trepan | EVERYONE: -spawn -talk -adminMessageSend |
| 02:34.52 | trepan | VERIFIED: +spawn +talk +adminMessageSend |
| 02:34.54 | JeffM2501 | as long as it fits the name |
| 02:34.56 | trepan | (in your groupdb) |
| 02:35.02 | JeffM2501 | fits the name rules |
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| 03:41.20 | learner | JeffM2501, no particular reason on the server -- I just did an apachectl to restart it, which must have invoked 1.x instead of 2.x -- I fixed both configs with the limits just in case when I did that regardless |
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| 03:42.29 | learner | apachectl should probably be fixed if 2 should be the default, the system must still be configured for 1 as default |
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| 04:16.58 | JeffM2501 | apache2 uses apache2ctl :) |
| 04:17.18 | JeffM2501 | and OH MY GOD ... is this some ugly ass OSX code |
| 04:17.48 | Silent_Swan | i dunno.. my apache2 installs use apachectl |
| 04:18.00 | JeffM2501 | on debian it dosn't |
| 04:18.04 | JeffM2501 | at least not that I've seen |
| 04:18.20 | Silent_Swan | oh... i dunno what each of the 324,384 linux distros do |
| 04:18.31 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 04:18.51 | JeffM2501 | oops i went up to 324,385 while you typed it |
| 04:19.15 | Silent_Swan | ah... |
| 04:19.18 | purple_cow | it's generally safe to say that debian works different from just about anything else ;) |
| 04:20.29 | Silent_Swan | that can be said for any linux dist. |
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| 04:36.29 | learner | ahh, wierd -- yeah here apache2 is still apachectl |
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| 05:17.55 | silverfox | regarding http map includes... I'm trying to make something that dynamically generated via perl. What content type does the file need to have set? Will text/html work? |
| 05:47.07 | silverfox | I think I've got it... sorta. |
| 05:47.09 | silverfox | http://silvercat.tybox.net/object-randomizer.pl |
| 05:48.03 | silverfox | Although bzfs will download the file fine: http%3A%2F%2Fsilvercat.tybox.net%2Fincludes%2Fww.inc |
| 05:48.03 | silverfox | It displays like crap in a browser. |
| 05:48.24 | silverfox | It'd be nice to get it so a browser loads it like a text document (line feeds and all). |
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| 06:31.46 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx: Don't leak password: can be bad for this server, but good for other. Don't give away to all admins. |
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| 09:54.04 | sniperyyd | who wants to play on my srv cristi.brite.ro? |
| 09:54.19 | sniperyyd | ; |
| 09:54.32 | sniperyyd | ~bzfquery cristi.brite.ro:5154 |
| 10:21.36 | jomojo | hey who runs www.bzflag.org? |
| 10:22.36 | Ice_Wewe | copyright © CurrentMaintainer 1993-2005 |
| 10:22.48 | Ice_Wewe | The CurrentMaintainer of BZFlag is TimRiker |
| 10:22.51 | Ice_Wewe | there |
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| 10:33.54 | Ice_Wewe | oho! so close! |
| 10:34.21 | Ice_Wewe | update (lastest CVS): bzfs does not seg fault, bzflag does |
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| 11:56.39 | Pimpinella | 2.0.4 isn't in unstable yet :( |
| 12:07.44 | Pimpinella | where's tupone when you need him? |
| 12:07.54 | Pimpinella | :/ |
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| 12:10.43 | Pimpinella | !debian version libares0 |
| 12:10.46 | TheLastSpartan | Pimpinella: 4 matches found: libares0 (oldstable: 1.1.1-2); libares0 (stable: 1.1.1-4); libares0 (testing: 1.1.1-4); libares0 (unstable: 1.1.1-4) |
| 12:17.56 | Pimpinella | !debian version libcurl3 |
| 12:17.59 | TheLastSpartan | Pimpinella: 15 matches found: libcurl3 (stable: 7.13.2-2); libcurl3 (testing: 7.14.0-5); libcurl3 (unstable: 7.15.0-2, 7.15.0-1); libcurl3-dbg (stable: 7.13.2-2); libcurl3-dbg (testing: 7.14.0-5); libcurl3-dbg (unstable: 7.15.0-2, 7.15.0-1); libcurl3-dev (stable: 7.13.2-2); libcurl3-dev (testing: 7.14.0-5); libcurl3-gnutls (testing: 7.14.0-5); libcurl3-gnutls (unstable: 7.15.0-2, 7.15.0-1); (1 more message) |
| 12:21.39 | trepan | no libcurl-ares ... |
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| 15:16.31 | rss | how to change password? |
| 15:16.58 | rss | fast... some one knows mine :( |
| 15:17.17 | rss | got to change before he/she hijacks it |
| 15:18.33 | Aribeth | are you useing global registration? |
| 15:18.35 | orange | that's an awfully generic question... what password? |
| 15:18.51 | Aribeth | hey orange! |
| 15:18.57 | orange | hey Aribeth :-) |
| 15:23.56 | rss | user pass |
| 15:26.39 | orchid | rss: your bzflag password? you can go to the forum and change it. http://my.bzflag.org/bb/ |
| 15:27.05 | Aribeth | are you useing local registration to play, or are you useing the global registration |
| 15:27.31 | Aribeth | hiya orchid |
| 15:27.44 | orchid | hey Aribeth |
| 15:40.46 | orchid | I'm not sure if trepan or DTRemenak has the most bare bones desktop |
| 15:44.15 | Aribeth | orchid, where is that thread located on the forums? |
| 15:44.44 | DTRemenak | Aribeth: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=5044 |
| 15:45.05 | Aribeth | tkx |
| 15:46.19 | Grumbler | wow, they actually have color |
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| 15:53.40 | menotume | anyone notice a problem with obs roaming navigation? |
| 15:54.22 | DTRemenak | Grumbler: what, you think we're black and white folks? |
| 15:54.52 | _Manu_ | menotume, default now is roaming.. iirc earlier was driving with the leader |
| 15:55.37 | menotume | i mean, only 2 keys works for me |
| 15:55.46 | menotume | left and up, sometimes left and down |
| 15:55.54 | menotume | others can't navigate at all |
| 15:55.57 | _Manu_ | I noticed up and down sometimes fails |
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| 15:56.16 | _Manu_ | I can navigate but fails |
| 15:56.29 | menotume | ? |
| 15:56.44 | _Manu_ | moving up and down not working as expected |
| 15:56.53 | menotume | k, thx |
| 15:57.35 | _Manu_ | also I think is better setting driving with leader as default.. |
| 15:57.47 | _Manu_ | because a newbie can get stucked at center ;) |
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| 15:59.17 | menotume | it is 'driving with leader' for me |
| 15:59.24 | _Manu_ | oh :/ |
| 15:59.32 | _Manu_ | let me check again |
| 16:00.45 | _Manu_ | well.. if you join as observer.. you are driving with the leader but... |
| 16:01.00 | _Manu_ | if you select 'automatic' and the server is full, you get roaming |
| 16:01.13 | menotume | hmmm |
| 16:01.16 | menotume | interesting |
| 16:01.29 | _Manu_ | and iirc always was driving with the leader |
| 16:01.57 | _Manu_ | dunno if it's because the last changes |
| 16:02.02 | menotume | how about navigation while roaming? do you get only left and up or down keys ? |
| 16:02.33 | brlcad | DTRemenak: yay, windowmaker |
| 16:02.35 | _Manu_ | no, other keys works too.. but only sometimes |
| 16:02.46 | _Manu_ | shift, alt, ctrl.. |
| 16:02.49 | DTRemenak | brlcad: you're just now reading that thread? :) |
| 16:02.50 | menotume | i get: left and down only |
| 16:03.00 | _Manu_ | let me check again.. |
| 16:03.08 | brlcad | DTRemenak: no, but just now yay'ing for windowmaker :) |
| 16:03.15 | DTRemenak | ah, ok :) |
| 16:03.21 | menotume | the keys are probably being sucked up by something else |
| 16:04.07 | _Manu_ | menotume, keys working fine.. but now I joined as observer.. and roaming.. :/ |
| 16:05.23 | _Manu_ | also there is a bug.. if you are driving with the leader and the leader left.. you get roaming.. now if.. |
| 16:05.36 | menotume | well then, some people get no keys, i get 2 keys, manu get all keys sometimes |
| 16:05.39 | _Manu_ | another player join as observer taking the slot used by the last leadre.. you get |
| 16:05.47 | _Manu_ | driving with.... the observer player :/ |
| 16:06.01 | bryjen | watching the watcher |
| 16:06.07 | orchid | !dict omnivore |
| 16:06.09 | TheLastSpartan | orchid: wn: omnivore n 1: a person who eats all kinds of foods 2: an animal that feeds on both animal and vegetable substances |
| 16:06.15 | _Manu_ | bryjen, is a bug ;) |
| 16:06.28 | menotume | undocumented feature |
| 16:06.44 | _Manu_ | you can't drive with an observer because the observer can't drive |
| 16:06.50 | _Manu_ | so it's a bug |
| 16:07.08 | _Manu_ | if a player left and you are driving with him.. you must be switched to another player |
| 16:07.17 | Grumbler | observers are women...........(ok, bad joke, but it was just begging for it) |
| 16:07.20 | menotume | patches welcome |
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| 16:07.39 | menotume | it's JeffM2501's fault |
| 16:07.42 | _Manu_ | menotume, of course.. I'm only commenting it |
| 16:07.45 | menotume | oh, hi JeffM2501 |
| 16:08.05 | _Manu_ | just at time :) |
| 16:08.05 | menotume | _Manu_: i know, i just like to say that |
| 16:08.14 | Grumbler | observer driving has been screwed up for some time |
| 16:08.22 | orchid | yep |
| 16:08.31 | _Manu_ | I have in mind making an observer driving like a true player |
| 16:08.32 | menotume | you mean roaming navigation ? |
| 16:08.38 | Grumbler | the whole alt/shift combo keys are extraordinarily flaky |
| 16:08.44 | menotume | right, ok |
| 16:08.53 | menotume | i just found out |
| 16:09.00 | jpa- | beware, jpa- is back |
| 16:09.02 | orchid | menotume: yes roaming I think went weird in 2.0 |
| 16:09.03 | menotume | CapN said it no longer worked |
| 16:09.39 | Grumbler | there was a reason for the change IIRC.....something about key mappings |
| 16:09.50 | menotume | hmm |
| 16:09.56 | menotume | a reason to break it ? |
| 16:09.57 | menotume | ok then |
| 16:10.10 | menotume | it's a BUG ! |
| 16:10.15 | Grumbler | well, it was only broken for everybody else....not the person who put it in :) |
| 16:10.20 | menotume | hehe |
| 16:10.21 | _Manu_ | DTRemenak, probably ppl missed your question :) |
| 16:10.29 | DTRemenak | if there's a regression between 2.0.4 and cvs it's my fault. if something seems broken in 2.0.4, try cvs ;) |
| 16:10.34 | menotume | yes, it's flaky - maybe timing related |
| 16:10.37 | jpa- | i've understood it was SDL etc. that had a bug, mapping the cursors wrong way around, and when people upgraded they had to reassing the keys |
| 16:11.14 | _Manu_ | jpa-, you are right.. I did it in 2.0 |
| 16:11.56 | _Manu_ | when the ppl complained about not working arrow keys I suggested them to remap it.. and then all fine |
| 16:12.09 | menotume | yep, that's it |
| 16:12.21 | menotume | i only had left and down mapped :) |
| 16:12.22 | JeffM2501 | many things are my fualt |
| 16:12.26 | JeffM2501 | what is busted? |
| 16:12.42 | menotume | it would seem nothing important now |
| 16:13.10 | menotume | we should just put it in the install config fixer thingy |
| 16:13.23 | menotume | JeffM2501: up/eft/down/right keys not mapped |
| 16:13.32 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 16:13.43 | JeffM2501 | tha'ts been busted for a long long time I think |
| 16:16.01 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/ChangeLog: 80 col |
| 16:16.29 | menotume | still not working as expected (as manu asid) |
| 16:16.53 | JeffM2501 | we have the config version |
| 16:17.05 | JeffM2501 | bump it and make sure all things that are suposed to be set, are set |
| 16:17.11 | _Manu_ | menotume, remember down and up kweys are reversed |
| 16:17.34 | _Manu_ | for going up and down holding pressed shift |
| 16:19.06 | menotume | i got it |
| 16:19.15 | menotume | didn't realize ctrl worked too |
| 16:19.23 | menotume | shows how much i use it :) |
| 16:19.38 | menotume | JeffM2501: right |
| 16:19.48 | brlcad | interesting.. most had to blow away their configs ultimately .. remapping just arrows wasn't enough |
| 16:20.07 | menotume | well, it worked for CapN |
| 16:20.13 | menotume | once i told him |
| 16:20.21 | brlcad | ooh, capn |
| 16:23.42 | menotume | brlcad: soooo... how do i add a tag to ltmain.sh ? :) |
| 16:24.02 | menotume | do we have to find a compatible ltconfig ? |
| 16:24.34 | brlcad | menotume: you either script it into configure.ac or autogen.sh or annoy the heck out of the libtool devs ;) |
| 16:25.54 | menotume | script it in as in ... awk ltmain.sh ? |
| 16:26.08 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, so is ObjectiveC just C++ with a lot of things in [ ] ? |
| 16:26.14 | menotume | i was gonna do that, but i'm worried about compatibility when they change something |
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| 16:27.17 | brlcad | JeffM2501: heh, sort of -- slightly more minimal object orientation modification to C (smalltalk-style) |
| 16:27.30 | menotume | libtool seem way, way complex for what it does, and yet it can't do the simple thing that we want |
| 16:28.02 | brlcad | menotume: yeah, something like that -- it'd also probably have to support the various versions of ltmain.sh |
| 16:28.24 | menotume | variuos versions ? eeeep |
| 16:28.25 | brlcad | it can, we're just not using the flags correctly I believe :) |
| 16:28.35 | menotume | gotya |
| 16:28.47 | brlcad | if the flags are used correctly, we should be able to turn on shared lib building and just mark our libs as -static |
| 16:29.09 | menotume | oh, well that can be done now |
| 16:29.25 | menotume | in the makefiles for our static libs |
| 16:29.42 | brlcad | it builds both if you turn on shared even with static which is wrong |
| 16:29.50 | menotume | you can force static, but you can't force dynamic |
| 16:30.10 | menotume | there are already tags for that |
| 16:30.39 | menotume | disable-shared and disable-static |
| 16:30.52 | brlcad | right |
| 16:31.28 | menotume | we only have a few libs, right ? |
| 16:31.32 | menotume | static i mean |
| 16:31.55 | brlcad | part of the issue is that we're trying to dictate the disable from configure which is _project_ wide .. yet still build shared in one particular dir |
| 16:32.06 | menotume | right, understood |
| 16:32.27 | menotume | so, i could try taking out what you did, and make our libs do static only |
| 16:32.43 | brlcad | right, that's how it's supposed to work |
| 16:33.02 | menotume | is it reasonable to do this in amkefile.am: |
| 16:33.03 | brlcad | you'd remove the forcing in configure, and figure out why -static is double-building |
| 16:33.16 | menotume | CXXLINK = $(LIBTOOL) --mode=link --tag=disable-shared $(CXXLD) $(AM_CXXFLAGS) \ |
| 16:33.16 | menotume | $(CXXFLAGS) $(AM_LDFLAGS) $(LDFLAGS) -o $@ |
| 16:33.47 | menotume | that's the only way i could figure to replace the CXX tag |
| 16:34.02 | brlcad | if it came down to it, we could do that -- though it really shouldn't be necessary |
| 16:34.17 | menotume | ok, i'll play today :) |
| 16:34.19 | menotume | thx |
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| 16:34.33 | Tegan | hi |
| 16:34.40 | brlcad | howdy Tegan |
| 16:34.42 | menotume | hellos Tegan |
| 16:36.19 | SportChicky | Tegan: hiya |
| 16:37.08 | trepan | orchid: icons and menus are for wusses :) |
| 16:37.41 | brlcad | ~trepan++ |
| 16:39.57 | trepan | using screen and emacs gets you a get-out-of-wussland pass |
| 16:40.58 | orange | screen = command-line heaven |
| 16:41.39 | trepan | + the nohup'ing... |
| 16:44.30 | orange | portable working goodness |
| 16:48.40 | BearPerson | screen+vim |
| 16:48.53 | orange | I wasn't going to go there :-) |
| 16:51.03 | Aribeth | give me the command line, or give me death :P |
| 16:51.04 | JeffM2501 | we know your a notepad user at heart ;) |
| 16:51.54 | Aribeth | vi forever |
| 16:52.25 | JeffM2501 | after last night, I can attest that xcode is one crap editor |
| 16:52.31 | trepan | joe, zed, or jed for this guy |
| 16:52.43 | Aribeth | orchid, i put up some screenshots in that thread |
| 16:54.54 | trepan | what kinda whale is that? |
| 16:55.03 | trepan | C5? |
| 16:55.07 | orchid | wow |
| 16:55.11 | Aribeth | its a C5 Galaxy |
| 16:57.40 | Aribeth | the image is called beached_c5 |
| 16:58.23 | Aribeth | a guy i worked with in 2000 made the image |
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| 17:13.50 | _Manu_ | Tegan, why do you think that? |
| 17:14.31 | Tegan | (1) I'm lazy and it's less typing and (2) it's safer IMO |
| 17:14.43 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/client/VC71/ (client.ico client.rc client.vcproj): an icon |
| 17:14.56 | _Manu_ | usually you don't need to flag reset no? |
| 17:15.16 | _Manu_ | or are you flag reseting continuosly? |
| 17:15.16 | Tegan | often, yes, but never needed to do it without unused |
| 17:15.39 | Tegan | yeah, sometimes I cron it |
| 17:16.41 | _Manu_ | if I read /flag reset I understand what it means.. and if I read /flag reset unused too |
| 17:16.51 | _Manu_ | if /flat reset is for unused is not so clear |
| 17:17.35 | Tegan | it shouldn't be too hard to figure though |
| 17:17.54 | _Manu_ | it's easy to change it.. but I think it's better how it is |
| 17:18.02 | _Manu_ | (actually) |
| 17:18.47 | Tegan | well it ain't broke :) |
| 17:19.29 | menotume | add: /flag reset unused (or wahtever) |
| 17:19.30 | trepan | if 'unused' is mistyped, it defaults to all; that's prolly not a good thing |
| 17:19.47 | menotume | ohhh |
| 17:19.51 | menotume | nvm :) |
| 17:19.58 | BearPerson | is /flag reset unused used for anti-flag-watching? |
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| 17:20.03 | trepan | heh, '/flag reset unused' will also reset all |
| 17:20.07 | _Manu_ | trepan, right and if you type wrongly /shutdown you close the server too ;) |
| 17:20.40 | trepan | huh? what's the other shutdown? |
| 17:20.50 | _Manu_ | trepan, irony |
| 17:21.15 | _Manu_ | what I mean is if you type /flag reset you know what it means because there is no exception... reset all the flags |
| 17:21.28 | _Manu_ | if you add 'unused' then you are excluded used one |
| 17:22.33 | Tegan | which is more common? |
| 17:22.35 | _Manu_ | and as an admin must know all the comands.. he must not do those mistakes |
| 17:22.58 | orange | if it is an issue, just make the second parameter required |
| 17:23.02 | orange | no default |
| 17:23.21 | BearPerson | or make /flag reset <anything> reset only unused flags |
| 17:23.22 | _Manu_ | orange, actually second parameter is one exception |
| 17:23.30 | _Manu_ | like a filter |
| 17:23.59 | menotume | or, /flag reset xxx shows error: xxx invalid |
| 17:24.16 | orange | I know how it is now... I'm suggesting it might be better to have the parameter explicitly required |
| 17:24.25 | _Manu_ | well we can change to /flag reset all and /flag reset unused |
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| 17:24.26 | orange | much like the recent change to ban |
| 17:24.34 | orange | _Manu_: yes |
| 17:24.35 | _Manu_ | then no mistake |
| 17:24.42 | orange | that's what I mean... second parameter required |
| 17:24.49 | menotume | can't we check the third param ? |
| 17:25.03 | menotume | if you mistype it you get an error |
| 17:25.11 | _Manu_ | yes |
| 17:25.16 | menotume | better than changing current functionality |
| 17:25.28 | orange | menotume: also at issue is that "/flag reset" default behavior might not be good |
| 17:25.31 | orange | two issues, I think |
| 17:25.59 | orange | both solved by requiring (and therefore checking) the last parameter |
| 17:26.22 | menotume | ahh |
| 17:26.23 | orange | consistency is good, imho |
| 17:26.32 | orange | even if it isn't "how it has always been done" :-) |
| 17:26.37 | _Manu_ | then the result command will be (/flag reset [all|unused] |
| 17:26.59 | menotume | ok, ok, how about this: |
| 17:27.03 | menotume | /flag reset |
| 17:27.14 | menotume | comes back with "are you sure" |
| 17:27.24 | menotume | press ok to continue |
| 17:27.32 | _Manu_ | yes you are sure about what? :) |
| 17:27.34 | orange | ~lart menotume |
| 17:27.39 | menotume | weeeee |
| 17:27.42 | bryjen | huh? drawing dialog boxen? |
| 17:27.47 | menotume | hehe |
| 17:27.51 | orange | ignore the troll :-) |
| 17:28.13 | orange | /flag reset |
| 17:28.18 | orange | Usage: /flag reset all |
| 17:28.22 | orange | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:28.45 | orange | /flag reset unsed |
| 17:28.45 | menotume | bryjen: sry, i didn't think anyone important was listening |
| 17:28.54 | orange | invalid flag reset type "unsed" |
| 17:29.28 | menotume | :) |
| 17:29.56 | menotume | </joke> |
| 17:30.03 | Tupone | menotume: I usually read any part of the log :( |
| 17:30.25 | _Manu_ | Tupone, wellcome back :) |
| 17:30.40 | menotume | <joke>Tupone: you think i consider you important?</joke> |
| 17:31.35 | Tupone | Well, just saying that. <joke>I don't want to spent lot of time reading boring things </joke? |
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| 17:36.21 | Tupone | hi menotume :) |
| 17:36.29 | menotume | hi hi :) |
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| 17:37.08 | orchid | Aribeth: I put up a pic also |
| 17:37.55 | menotume | another toe pic ? |
| 17:38.11 | orchid | no :) |
| 17:39.10 | Tegan | i_am_610nm: you have a sec? |
| 17:39.21 | i_am_610nm | sure, what's up? |
| 17:41.42 | Aribeth | orchid, nice |
| 17:43.03 | Aribeth | ~lart menotume :P |
| 17:45.16 | BenUrban | haha |
| 17:45.25 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/client/ (VC71/client.vcproj inc/menus.h src/client.cpp src/menus.cpp): stub for game part of client |
| 17:45.26 | BenUrban | so evil |
| 17:45.26 | jpa- | ~hug Aribeth |
| 17:45.28 | ibot | ACTION hugs Aribeth |
| 17:45.37 | Aribeth | :) |
| 17:45.45 | BenUrban | ~ibot++ |
| 17:46.25 | jpa- | ~lart jpa- |
| 17:46.31 | jpa- | :( |
| 17:46.47 | BenUrban | haha |
| 17:46.52 | Aribeth | ouch |
| 17:49.17 | jpa- | :) |
| 17:49.26 | JeffM2501 | jpa-, her's is bigger then yours ;) |
| 17:49.35 | jpa- | :o |
| 17:49.52 | Aribeth | o.O |
| 17:50.01 | Aribeth | WHAT! |
| 17:50.03 | jpa- | her's WHAT? head? |
| 17:50.04 | JeffM2501 | you girls and your wide wide displays |
| 17:50.30 | jpa- | display |
| 17:50.31 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 17:50.37 | jpa- | :o |
| 17:50.49 | JeffM2501 | ive seen the reports |
| 17:50.51 | Aribeth | eek |
| 17:50.53 | jpa- | JeffM2501: you're spying on me how exactly? |
| 17:50.58 | JeffM2501 | it's not hard |
| 17:51.07 | ToughShooter | Hi Aribeth |
| 17:51.12 | Aribeth | hi TS |
| 17:52.11 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/client/Makefile: nix add for client file ( maybe ) |
| 17:53.48 | ToughShooter | jpa-: A bigger display is so much better for shooting tanks ;) |
| 17:53.53 | Aribeth | orchid, what window manager are you useing? |
| 17:54.03 | orchid | Aribeth: xfce4 |
| 17:54.18 | jpa- | ToughShooter: well no |
| 17:54.25 | jpa- | i'm stuck with this TNT2 |
| 17:54.40 | jpa- | and at 640x480 i just see a few red pixels |
| 17:54.41 | Aribeth | upgrade baybe |
| 17:54.57 | jpa- | Aribeth: bzflag is not my first priority :) |
| 17:55.30 | Aribeth | resistance is futile, you will learn to play bzflag. :P |
| 17:55.48 | Aribeth | you will be asimilated |
| 17:55.49 | jpa- | :o |
| 17:55.57 | jpa- | now you are lying |
| 17:56.11 | Aribeth | so do i |
| 17:57.30 | jpa- | :( |
| 17:58.09 | Aribeth | when im lucky i can get 20-30 points, but mostly ----points |
| 17:58.36 | jpa- | yeah |
| 17:58.54 | Aribeth | but watch out when i get laser :) |
| 17:59.09 | Aribeth | or SW |
| 17:59.10 | jpa- | "Aribeth: blew myself up" |
| 17:59.17 | ToughShooter | Aribeth: That's 30" in 16:10, correct? |
| 17:59.34 | Aribeth | duno |
| 17:59.35 | jpa- | "jpa: killed by teammate Aribeth" "Aribeth: blew myself up" |
| 17:59.46 | Aribeth | ~lart jpa- |
| 17:59.58 | jpa- | :( |
| 18:00.06 | Aribeth | im good with laser |
| 18:00.30 | Aribeth | i can fry a tank from across the map without binoc |
| 18:00.32 | jpa- | i'm sure you are |
| 18:00.39 | jpa- | of course you can |
| 18:00.46 | Tegan | 6100Ã…: thanks |
| 18:00.50 | Tegan | ~orange++ |
| 18:00.54 | Aribeth | the map is 800x800 |
| 18:01.15 | ToughShooter | I use radar for that task usually |
| 18:01.40 | jpa- | Aribeth: what resolution? |
| 18:01.58 | Aribeth | i can hardly see the tank its so small, but i get them first time usualy |
| 18:02.05 | ToughShooter | Better for aiming, 'cause when I use binoculars I quickly get shot by a tank near me ;) |
| 18:02.15 | Aribeth | 1920x1200 |
| 18:02.27 | jpa- | aww |
| 18:02.28 | Aribeth | i run bzflag windowed |
| 18:02.33 | jpa- | awwww |
| 18:03.00 | jpa- | and i run bzflag @640x480 :/ |
| 18:03.08 | Aribeth | :( |
| 18:03.36 | Aribeth | a good video card is a geforce 6600 gt |
| 18:03.37 | jpa- | JeffM2501 was right, your's is bigger |
| 18:03.44 | Aribeth | :P |
| 18:03.48 | jpa- | TNT2 <3 |
| 18:03.56 | JeffM2501 | her's is bigger then mine |
| 18:04.17 | JeffM2501 | Aribeth, what do you run? |
| 18:04.17 | Aribeth | what size jeff |
| 18:04.28 | JeffM2501 | at home I have a 19 inch LCD |
| 18:04.33 | JeffM2501 | my friends got it for my birthday |
| 18:04.34 | Aribeth | i run gentoo with kde |
| 18:04.36 | JeffM2501 | very kind of them |
| 18:04.41 | JeffM2501 | what card? |
| 18:04.43 | jpa- | Aribeth: so do i <3 |
| 18:04.44 | Aribeth | 3.2 ghz P4 |
| 18:04.56 | Aribeth | geeforce 6600 gt |
| 18:05.02 | Aribeth | 128 mb ram |
| 18:05.02 | JeffM2501 | my eventual plan is to get your display, and another 19 |
| 18:05.10 | JeffM2501 | decent card |
| 18:05.10 | Aribeth | ahh |
| 18:05.11 | JeffM2501 | I have 2 |
| 18:05.28 | JeffM2501 | I was gonna get the display first, but I spend too much on upgrading the system |
| 18:05.34 | Aribeth | ahh |
| 18:05.34 | JeffM2501 | so the display waits |
| 18:05.50 | JeffM2501 | even the 19 LCD is better then the 19 CRT tho |
| 18:05.51 | Aribeth | im useing the dvi port |
| 18:05.55 | JeffM2501 | very crisp |
| 18:06.03 | Aribeth | it is indeed |
| 18:06.17 | JeffM2501 | final plan is to use both inputs in the 24, and 2 19's on each side |
| 18:06.27 | JeffM2501 | dvi for the PC, and vga for the mac |
| 18:06.36 | Aribeth | i like the LCD's because they dont interfer with my ham rig |
| 18:06.47 | JeffM2501 | I like them because they have crisp edges |
| 18:06.50 | JeffM2501 | easyer on the eyes |
| 18:07.03 | Aribeth | yes |
| 18:07.08 | JeffM2501 | jpa-, big ass desktop man :) |
| 18:07.23 | JeffM2501 | here at work I have 2 19 inch CRTs |
| 18:07.30 | Aribeth | i would have 2 myself, but have no room |
| 18:07.35 | JeffM2501 | jpa-, with my current setup I can have 6 concurent displays |
| 18:07.45 | JeffM2501 | asuming 2 of them are HDTVs |
| 18:07.55 | jpa- | i've heard this already :) |
| 18:08.04 | JeffM2501 | Aribeth, pci-e or AGP? |
| 18:08.09 | JeffM2501 | jpa-, then why keep asking ;) |
| 18:08.14 | Aribeth | agp |
| 18:08.23 | JeffM2501 | fun |
| 18:08.25 | Aribeth | not express though |
| 18:09.08 | chopp | can someone explain sli? |
| 18:09.09 | JeffM2501 | it's a wierd time now, if you want to upgrade you often have to replace a lot more then you expect |
| 18:09.18 | Aribeth | the motherboard is a ASUS P4P800 Delux |
| 18:09.21 | JeffM2501 | SLI is 2 video cards rendring the same scene |
| 18:09.34 | chopp | ok thx |
| 18:09.43 | JeffM2501 | Aribeth, I was on AGP, but went to PCI-E, that's why I spend too much |
| 18:09.48 | JeffM2501 | and went and did SLI |
| 18:09.51 | jpa- | in theory it gives twice as good performance |
| 18:09.56 | JeffM2501 | jpa-, no it dosn't |
| 18:10.01 | JeffM2501 | not even in theory |
| 18:10.20 | jpa- | hrm |
| 18:10.22 | JeffM2501 | best posible case from nvidia is 1.9x |
| 18:10.29 | JeffM2501 | average is 1.5 |
| 18:10.36 | jpa- | rounds up to 2, no? |
| 18:10.39 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 18:10.45 | jpa- | yes it does |
| 18:10.49 | Aribeth | nope |
| 18:10.53 | jpa- | :( |
| 18:10.55 | JeffM2501 | not in this case |
| 18:10.58 | jpa- | you're all against me :( |
| 18:11.06 | JeffM2501 | it's very important to not misrepresnet it |
| 18:11.09 | Aribeth | facts is facts |
| 18:11.31 | JeffM2501 | and it's only for things that are designed to work with it |
| 18:11.39 | JeffM2501 | some things will make it work slower then 1x |
| 18:11.49 | Aribeth | i imagin useing 2 cards would be limited by the buss speed |
| 18:12.00 | JeffM2501 | Aribeth, not really |
| 18:12.04 | Aribeth | ahh |
| 18:12.09 | JeffM2501 | there is an inter card connector |
| 18:12.12 | JeffM2501 | little bridge thingy |
| 18:12.17 | JeffM2501 | you put between the cards |
| 18:12.18 | Aribeth | ohh |
| 18:12.21 | JeffM2501 | so they use that to talk to each other |
| 18:12.28 | Aribeth | yep |
| 18:12.31 | JeffM2501 | but that is why they only do it on PCI-E |
| 18:12.35 | JeffM2501 | for the fat pipe |
| 18:12.44 | Aribeth | gotcha |
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| 18:12.53 | JeffM2501 | they do actualy use the bus for the 6600 non GT |
| 18:13.01 | JeffM2501 | jpa-, that is a difrent type of SLI |
| 18:13.06 | JeffM2501 | that is scan line interleave |
| 18:13.14 | jpa- | but still. |
| 18:13.24 | JeffM2501 | same idea tho |
| 18:13.37 | JeffM2501 | I sent my voodoo 3 to Tim |
| 18:13.37 | jpa- | isn't that what SLI stands for anyway? |
| 18:13.42 | Aribeth | good card for its day |
| 18:13.45 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 18:13.50 | jpa- | bah |
| 18:13.52 | JeffM2501 | nvidia sli is not Scan line Interleave |
| 18:14.01 | JeffM2501 | nvidia sli is Scaleable Link Interface |
| 18:14.11 | JeffM2501 | chopp, spend 30$ and fix that |
| 18:14.20 | jpa- | chopp: i had too, worked kinda better than TNT2 :) |
| 18:14.35 | JeffM2501 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalable_Link_Interface |
| 18:14.55 | chopp | no agp in this dell. I'll have to wait till I get my next box built. |
| 18:14.57 | Aribeth | better yet get a motherboard without the inboard grapphics |
| 18:15.17 | JeffM2501 | nforce 4, it's the future :) |
| 18:16.05 | JeffM2501 | there is a reason AMDs outsold intel in sept :) |
| 18:16.51 | JeffM2501 | the 3800 dual cores seem to overclock nicely |
| 18:17.05 | JeffM2501 | have em running at 2.4 gig now, they should go to 2.6 stable |
| 18:17.12 | Aribeth | a dual Opteron would be nice |
| 18:17.27 | jpa- | hrm |
| 18:17.55 | JeffM2501 | Fry's had 3800X2 with an ECS PCI-E mobo for 350$ this weekend |
| 18:17.56 | jpa- | maybe i should go back to 386.. i could call it an ideology :) |
| 18:17.58 | JeffM2501 | good deal |
| 18:18.15 | Aribeth | hehe |
| 18:18.40 | JeffM2501 | after the rain has fallen, after the tears have washed your eyes..... |
| 18:19.01 | Grumbler | liked the beached plane Aribeth |
| 18:19.02 | Aribeth | oh god...i just was asked if i can ship to germany |
| 18:19.04 | chopp | ASUS SOCKET 939 NFORCE4 SLI, what do you think of this board? |
| 18:19.09 | Aribeth | :) |
| 18:19.20 | JeffM2501 | how much is it? |
| 18:19.33 | chopp | 179 |
| 18:19.39 | Aribeth | not bad |
| 18:19.43 | Grumbler | ...and how much are you going to be taxed once your there |
| 18:19.45 | JeffM2501 | seems high |
| 18:19.45 | Aribeth | what cpu |
| 18:19.52 | Aribeth | ya |
| 18:19.55 | JeffM2501 | my gigabyte witht he same features was 80 |
| 18:20.02 | JeffM2501 | bryjen, I haven't tried |
| 18:20.10 | chopp | no cpu, and 7% g.s.t |
| 18:20.13 | JeffM2501 | I could try that new ubantu |
| 18:20.32 | Grumbler | briskey badger or something... |
| 18:20.36 | JeffM2501 | I looked at the asus and abit, they didn't offer anything the gigabyte didn't have |
| 18:21.06 | JeffM2501 | they just cost more |
| 18:21.13 | jpa- | kubuntu <3 |
| 18:21.17 | JeffM2501 | it seems all the NForce4 boards have the same thing |
| 18:21.22 | Aribeth | and they can have problems |
| 18:21.23 | chopp | will I have any problems with sli, and sata in linux? |
| 18:21.37 | JeffM2501 | no SLI on linux |
| 18:21.41 | JeffM2501 | not till the 8x.xx drivers |
| 18:21.44 | chopp | :( |
| 18:21.57 | Grumbler | it understands sata well enough |
| 18:21.59 | JeffM2501 | and I was unable to get nix to play nice with a mix of sata and pata drives |
| 18:22.09 | bryjen | it's either nForce on one via chipset to get amd + pcie. the nforce seemed better supported than the peripheral chips mfgs wanted to hang off the via set |
| 18:22.18 | JeffM2501 | but I've also used sata on linux with out problems |
| 18:22.19 | bryjen | s/on one/or one/ |
| 18:23.05 | JeffM2501 | this is the mobo I got |
| 18:23.07 | JeffM2501 | http://www.giga-byte.com/Motherboard/Products/Products_GA-K8N%20Pro-SLI.htm |
| 18:23.31 | orchid | Grumbler: you have a shortcut to bill gates? |
| 18:23.37 | JeffM2501 | I got it at PCClub for 80$ |
| 18:24.18 | ToughShooter | Err, is there a max upload size < 3MB on http://my.bzflag.org/bb/ ? |
| 18:24.24 | JeffM2501 | bryjen, a lot of the mobos seem to put on a dif nic chipset even on the nforce4s |
| 18:24.27 | JeffM2501 | to get gigabit |
| 18:24.32 | Grumbler | orchid, heh, yep.... |
| 18:24.37 | chopp | look's awsome JeffM2501 |
| 18:25.08 | JeffM2501 | they all seem to have the normal 6 chan out audio, 10 USB, 2 firewire, 4 SATA..etc.. |
| 18:25.31 | Grumbler | and a partridge in a pear tree |
| 18:25.32 | JeffM2501 | chopp, what video card are you going to get? |
| 18:26.45 | chopp | JeffM2501, just a minute, I'll have to look it up. |
| 18:28.28 | chopp | it's not listed on the shop's site. It is a nvidia, but I forget which one. |
| 18:28.49 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/client/src/menus.cpp: stay in the menu system when the game isn't on |
| 18:28.57 | JeffM2501 | 6600? 6800? 7800 ? |
| 18:29.06 | JeffM2501 | do you reember how much it was? |
| 18:29.57 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/common/ (inc/prefs.h src/prefs.cpp): let config store more then one value for each entry so the config can store lists |
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| 18:30.41 | chopp | 7800 I believe. Your motherboard is $166 there |
| 18:31.02 | JeffM2501 | 7800 is a good card |
| 18:31.08 | JeffM2501 | not cheap |
| 18:31.32 | chopp | what's the difference from your board, to the ultra sli? |
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| 18:32.41 | JeffM2501 | NVIDIA SATA II and RAID f |
| 18:32.50 | JeffM2501 | and dual LAN ports |
| 18:33.25 | JeffM2501 | other then that, it just makes more heat |
| 18:33.33 | ToughShooter | Aribeth: This is my little desktop: http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/9257/screenie19iq.jpg |
| 18:34.18 | Aribeth | nice |
| 18:34.32 | JeffM2501 | 7800's gonna cost over 350 |
| 18:35.34 | chopp | it must have been a 6800 then I guess. It was around 200 |
| 18:35.41 | JeffM2501 | that would make sense |
| 18:35.55 | JeffM2501 | that's what I should have goten |
| 18:36.03 | JeffM2501 | a 6800 ultra |
| 18:36.10 | JeffM2501 | instead of the SLI 6600's |
| 18:36.34 | JeffM2501 | tho the new 6600GTs aren't bad |
| 18:39.21 | chopp | what about the 8x.xx driver you were refering to? |
| 18:39.40 | ToughShooter | We all want better hardware, question is whether we really need it. ;) |
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| 18:48.42 | Aribeth | :) |
| 18:48.57 | Tupone | :) |
| 18:49.48 | Tupone | TheRedBaron: My wishes are for a Radar overlaying with the view, and with some tactical lines, like a cockpit. Hope someone does it |
| 18:49.48 | Thumper__ | :-P 2.0.5 crashes for me on some of LouMan's maps, 2.0.2 runs, ATI binary drivers and linux. :/ How can I help get this fixed? |
| 18:49.57 | trepan | gdb backtrace |
| 18:50.21 | jpa- | Thumper__: the loumans maps that say 2.0.5 required? |
| 18:50.27 | Aribeth | get a nvidia card :P |
| 18:50.32 | TheRedBaron | tupone: we already have that. |
| 18:50.35 | Thumper__ | no Babylon IV for instance |
| 18:50.41 | Thumper__ | some of the maps I'm hosting :) |
| 18:50.42 | TheRedBaron | it does overlay the view |
| 18:50.44 | jpa- | it crashes my 2.0.4, i don't know if it is supposed to :) |
| 18:50.55 | Thumper__ | and the new Mystic valley |
| 18:50.59 | Tupone | I mean full radar and full view, dimmable |
| 18:51.02 | Thumper__ | works in 2.0.2 |
| 18:51.07 | trepan | 2.0.5 is not really req'd |
| 18:51.18 | Thumper__ | just no fog :) |
| 18:51.33 | Thumper__ | but it bombs with a segmentation fault here on 2.0.5 |
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| 18:51.53 | Tupone | Thumper__: gdb is your friend |
| 18:52.21 | TheRedBaron | tupone, i guess i'm not sure what you mean |
| 18:52.22 | Thumper_ | yes it is |
| 18:52.36 | TheRedBaron | but it does remind me of this wierd bug/feature |
| 18:52.38 | ToughShooter | jpa-: Official Mac 2.0.4 has no probs with it |
| 18:52.41 | Thumper_ | just it's way down in the graphics code somewhere... |
| 18:52.56 | ToughShooter | only missing the fog, of course |
| 18:52.56 | Thumper_ | as soon as I connect to the server it dies |
| 18:53.22 | jpa- | same for me |
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| 18:53.28 | Thumper_ | the people playing without fog have a distinct advantage |
| 18:53.39 | trepan | it's currently optional |
| 18:54.05 | Thumper_ | of course I haven't seen mystic valley in all it's splendor yet |
| 18:54.07 | TheRedBaron | i like to turn it off :) |
| 18:54.09 | Tupone | TheRedBaron: full window radar & full window views, both overlapped and you can dim each one separately |
| 18:54.13 | TheRedBaron | it helps with laser |
| 18:54.42 | TheRedBaron | tupone : oh, I see. We already have it overlapped. but no dimming :( |
| 18:55.10 | Thumper_ | trepan: I assume fog is harder on FPS... so that's why you can turn it off |
| 18:55.42 | jpa- | something like fullscreen radar overlaying more, ie. coming more opaque when pressing ctrl, normally invisible, would be nice :) |
| 18:55.43 | trepan | backwards compatibility... |
| 18:55.46 | ToughShooter | I have not noticed any dropdown of FPS with fog on my Radeon 9600 |
| 18:55.53 | trepan | for any decent vidcard, it has little effect |
| 18:56.03 | trepan | my junko geforce3 barely feels it |
| 18:56.17 | Ice_Wewe | ToughShooter: then lower your resolution |
| 18:56.27 | Tupone | TheRedBaron: and also I like some line that help aiming at extrapolated position, show lag ecc. of the hunted tank |
| 18:56.28 | Ice_Wewe | trepan: barely notice on my FX 5200 |
| 18:56.49 | Thumper_ | Tupone: want us to play for you too ;) |
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| 18:56.55 | Water_Wewe | hey |
| 18:57.16 | jpa- | oh no! ice_wewe has melted! |
| 18:57.17 | Aribeth | my geeforce gg00 gt feels no difference |
| 18:57.22 | Ice_Wewe | haha |
| 18:57.23 | Tupone | Like a fighter cockpit :) |
| 18:57.33 | Water_Wewe | actually we're one and the same |
| 18:57.45 | Aribeth | gg00/6600 |
| 18:57.59 | Thumper_ | jpa-: you have to make him mad first |
| 18:57.59 | Ice_Wewe | jpa- don't bother, its not going to happen |
| 18:58.05 | TheRedBaron | schizoprenia! |
| 18:58.09 | trepan | Tupone: i'd be against that ;) |
| 18:58.24 | Tupone | hehe ;) |
| 18:58.41 | Ice_Wewe | jpa- I had to keep up with global warming... so you know |
| 18:58.42 | Water_Wewe | Thumper_ you do not have to make me mad, I chose to switch... then switch back... its complicated |
| 18:59.09 | Thumper_ | Water_Wewe: I figured you had to get hot before it would be steam... |
| 18:59.20 | Water_Wewe | Thmper_ haha |
| 18:59.25 | Water_Wewe | Thumper_* |
| 18:59.37 | Ice_Wewe | as you can see, Water needs to work on his typing... |
| 18:59.50 | TheRedBaron | Tupone: about the radar overlay... |
| 18:59.51 | ToughShooter | Ice_Wewe: I've tried it now and I saw that I got 5 FPS _more_ with fog at a bit lower height than with /roampos 45 |
| 18:59.54 | Water_Wewe | as you can see, Ice needs to working on his playing ability |
| 19:00.12 | Ice_Wewe | ToughShooter: weird.... |
| 19:01.08 | ToughShooter | 1680*1050: 90 FPS, 640*480: 92FPS |
| 19:01.20 | SportyGal | !weather 90277 |
| 19:01.23 | TheLastSpartan | SportyGal: The current temperature in Weather Underground is 68°F. |
| 19:01.31 | ToughShooter | Hi SportyGal |
| 19:01.43 | SportyGal | ToughShooter: hiya |
| 19:01.44 | Water_Wewe | ToughShooter: I get around 45 FPS, @ 1280 x 1024 (which is all my LCD will do) |
| 19:04.05 | ToughShooter | BTW: You should not try lower resolutions on LCDs ;) |
| 19:04.28 | TheRedBaron | tupone: if I disable texturing, and all other effects, lower the quality, etc, Then my radar overlays the entire screen... its odd I"ll have to get you a screenshot. |
| 19:05.36 | Grumbler | hey Thumper_ whats the texture download site? norang.ca? |
| 19:05.38 | Tupone | hmm, I want to see both radar & windows, overlayed, or just a little box for radar or for view |
| 19:07.08 | trepan | Tupone: swapping viewport/radar windows would be fairly straight forward |
| 19:07.36 | TheRedBaron | tupone: oh, In my case, its just the radar that overlays the HUD, chatbox everything, however, the HUD, and chatbox keep their porportions |
| 19:07.59 | TheRedBaron | devs, is that purposeful or bug? |
| 19:09.49 | SportyGal | ~weather KLAX |
| 19:10.11 | trepan | TheRedBaron: screenshot? |
| 19:11.05 | TheRedBaron | trepan: never though to take one, its my work computer that does it, and I"m not at it. |
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| 19:11.28 | TheRedBaron | *thought |
| 19:11.37 | ToughShooter | I've seen paused tanks watching can be fun because sometimes they have white "flashes" around them. Screenies wanted? |
| 19:15.00 | Thumper_ | trepan: Downloading files... (boink) Segmentation fault (core dumped) - but no core file :/ |
| 19:15.39 | Tupone | Thumper_: did you get gdb to work ? |
| 19:16.07 | Thumper_ | you want me to run gdb before the crash or after with a core file? |
| 19:16.17 | trepan | gdb --args /your/src/path/bzflag -window |
| 19:16.18 | Tupone | before the crash |
| 19:16.52 | Tupone | Thumper_: what os? linux ? |
| 19:16.58 | trepan | r, do-stuff, do-crash, bt |
| 19:17.17 | Tupone | do un-confine mouse before :) |
| 19:17.34 | Thumper_ | yes... |
| 19:17.43 | Thumper_ | Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. |
| 19:17.43 | Thumper_ | [Switching to Thread -1218317664 (LWP 29512)] |
| 19:17.43 | Thumper_ | 0xb70ff133 in __glim_R200TCLDrawArrays () |
| 19:17.43 | Thumper_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:17.54 | Tupone | ati driver :( |
| 19:18.04 | Thumper_ | but it's teh same driver for 2.0.2... and that works |
| 19:18.17 | Thumper_ | isn't it? |
| 19:18.32 | Tupone | hehe, I have the same car, and sometime crashes |
| 19:18.38 | Thumper_ | hehe ok |
| 19:18.58 | Tupone | try bt |
| 19:19.01 | Thumper_ | it's long... |
| 19:19.02 | Tupone | just press: bt enter |
| 19:19.03 | Grumbler | Thumper_, you talking about the camelot map, i just tried to download and 2.0.5b2 crashed |
| 19:19.13 | Thumper_ | no Babylon IV map |
| 19:19.22 | Thumper_ | but crashes on multiple LouMan maps |
| 19:19.42 | Grumbler | dang the louman for making pretty maps |
| 19:19.46 | Thumper_ | Tupone: for bt do youw ant the beginning or the end of the trace? |
| 19:20.12 | Thumper_ | looks like a loop to me... |
| 19:20.18 | Thumper_ | #1328 0xb70fe999 in __glim_R200TCLDrawArrays () |
| 19:20.18 | Thumper_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:20.18 | Thumper_ | #1329 0xb70fe999 in __glim_R200TCLDrawArrays () |
| 19:20.18 | Thumper_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:20.18 | Thumper_ | #1330 0xb70fe999 in __glim_R200TCLDrawArrays () |
| 19:20.20 | Thumper_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:20.23 | Thumper_ | and still going |
| 19:20.30 | Tupone | nope no here :( |
| 19:20.37 | Tupone | aww |
| 19:20.38 | Thumper_ | 1954... |
| 19:20.48 | trepan | Thumper_: i might have a partial commit in there, did a little rewrite for the mac guys that swapped the default client array states |
| 19:20.55 | trepan | ... but i don't think so |
| 19:21.01 | Thumper_ | ok |
| 19:21.10 | Thumper_ | this bt goes on and on... 2932... |
| 19:21.13 | trepan | can you get to the top level glDrawArrays call? |
| 19:21.23 | trepan | see what it's args are |
| 19:21.32 | Thumper_ | can I bt to a file? this is taking forever :) |
| 19:21.52 | Thumper_ | so far it looks all the same... |
| 19:21.55 | Thumper_ | 3978... |
| 19:23.07 | Thumper_ | trepan: it's been broken for awhile now |
| 19:23.15 | Thumper_ | I just updated to current CVS to make sure it wasn't fixed before talking about it |
| 19:23.48 | Thumper_ | 5634... (thumb is getting tired) |
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| 19:25.08 | Alex135 | hay i have a question about my server agin but in a dif way |
| 19:25.25 | Tupone | Thumper_: frame 20 |
| 19:25.39 | Thumper_ | ? |
| 19:25.48 | Alex135 | is their any way to host it thrue andrews like not gooing thrue the proxy |
| 19:25.49 | Tupone | or frame 20000 |
| 19:26.06 | Tupone | to jump to the frame, if they are so long |
| 19:26.21 | Thumper_ | ok... |
| 19:26.22 | Tupone | how many frame are there ? |
| 19:26.51 | Thumper_ | more than 7400 |
| 19:26.59 | Thumper_ | (gdb) frame 10000 |
| 19:26.59 | Thumper_ | #10000 0xb70fe999 in __glim_R200TCLDrawArrays () |
| 19:26.59 | Thumper_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:27.25 | Thumper_ | (gdb) frame 15000 |
| 19:27.25 | Thumper_ | #15000 0xb70fe999 in __glim_R200TCLDrawArrays () |
| 19:27.25 | Thumper_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:27.52 | Thumper_ | I probably ran out of memory :) |
| 19:27.59 | Thumper_ | when it died |
| 19:28.00 | Tupone | yeah, probably |
| 19:28.08 | ToughShooter | Flashing tank bug: http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/9548/bzfi00001ns.jpg http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/7290/bzfi00015wv.jpg |
| 19:28.09 | Thumper_ | (gdb) frame 25000 |
| 19:28.09 | Thumper_ | #25000 0xb70fe999 in __glim_R200TCLDrawArrays () |
| 19:28.09 | Thumper_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:28.14 | Thumper_ | what number do you want next :) |
| 19:28.18 | DTRemenak | 100000 |
| 19:28.30 | Thumper_ | zzzzzzzzz while I wait for it to come back |
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| 19:28.44 | Alex135 | can somone help me? |
| 19:28.53 | Alex135 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:29.02 | Alex135 | my server i mean |
| 19:29.17 | Tupone | who is andrews ? |
| 19:29.55 | Alex135 | no andrews university |
| 19:29.55 | Alex135 | lol |
| 19:29.55 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o brlcad] by ChanServ |
| 19:29.55 | Grumbler | hmm, once i cleared the cache and redownloaded it was fine....seems odd that i had to do that |
| 19:30.31 | Tupone | Alex135: can you rephrase it ? |
| 19:31.06 | Alex135 | is their a way to host my server on andrews university in like not gooing thrue the proxy server |
| 19:31.31 | Thumper_ | DTRemenak: this is taking a LONG time |
| 19:31.36 | Tupone | should know about andrew network connectivity |
| 19:31.54 | Alex135 | huh? |
| 19:31.55 | Thumper_ | hmm guess there aren't that many |
| 19:32.00 | Thumper_ | (gdb) frame 100000 |
| 19:32.00 | Thumper_ | #0 0x00000000 in ?? () |
| 19:32.02 | Thumper_ | :) |
| 19:32.19 | Alex135 | well a few |
| 19:32.28 | Alex135 | nin my case gooing thrue andrews |
| 19:32.34 | DTRemenak | Thumper_: 50k then? |
| 19:32.39 | Alex135 | but not many indead |
| 19:32.56 | DTRemenak | binary search until you hit something in bzflag code :) |
| 19:32.58 | Alex135 | wops sorry bad habin of typing n in bzflag |
| 19:33.02 | DTRemenak | ~n |
| 19:33.03 | ibot | i guess n is the disease bzflag players get when they play too much |
| 19:33.12 | Thumper_ | (gdb) fram 87300 |
| 19:33.12 | Thumper_ | #0 0x00000000 in ?? () |
| 19:33.12 | Thumper_ | (gdb) fram 87100 |
| 19:33.12 | Thumper_ | #87100 0xb70fe999 in __glim_R200TCLDrawArrays () |
| 19:33.12 | Thumper_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:33.13 | ToughShooter | Alex135: With the amount of information you give it'll be hard to help |
| 19:33.14 | Thumper_ | getting closer |
| 19:33.15 | Alex135 | lol |
| 19:33.38 | Aribeth | nwe all have it |
| 19:33.51 | trepan | in news clients you can use RETURN instead of n |
| 19:33.59 | trepan | s/news/new |
| 19:34.04 | Thumper_ | (gdb) frame 87162 |
| 19:34.04 | Thumper_ | #87162 0xb70ff12e in __glim_R200TCLDrawArrays () |
| 19:34.04 | Thumper_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:34.04 | Thumper_ | (gdb) frame 87163 |
| 19:34.04 | Thumper_ | #87163 0x08236bb0 in MeshFragSceneNode::Geometry::drawV (this=0x9468710) |
| 19:34.05 | trepan | (with the correct key bindings) |
| 19:34.07 | Thumper_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:34.09 | Thumper_ | 64 glDrawArrays(GL_TRIANGLES, 0, sceneNode->arrayCount * 3); |
| 19:34.11 | Thumper_ | (gdb) frame 87164 |
| 19:34.14 | Thumper_ | #87164 0x0823582b in MeshFragSceneNode::Geometry::renderShadow (this=0x9468710) |
| 19:34.16 | Thumper_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:34.19 | Thumper_ | 166 drawV(); |
| 19:34.21 | Thumper_ | ok what am I looking for trepan? |
| 19:34.23 | ToughShooter | ~bzpastebin |
| 19:34.24 | ibot | bzpastebin is probably a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel, and it archives too. - try http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/ |
| 19:34.28 | Aribeth | oh no. that will mess me up good :P |
| 19:34.29 | trepan | Thumper_: yup |
| 19:34.38 | trepan | disp sceneNode->arrayCount |
| 19:34.39 | Thumper_ | ToughShooter: (sorry) |
| 19:34.57 | Thumper_ | you want that here or in pastebin? :) |
| 19:35.12 | trepan | should be a single integer value |
| 19:35.14 | Thumper_ | 1: this->sceneNode->arrayCount = 3532 |
| 19:35.25 | ToughShooter | Thumper_: I'm only suggesting |
| 19:35.43 | Thumper_ | ToughShooter: np (sorry for the flood) |
| 19:35.45 | trepan | Thumper_: linux/SDL 2.0.5 on which map again? |
| 19:35.58 | Thumper_ | bzflag.norang.ca:5163 (Babylon IV) |
| 19:36.31 | Alex135 | ok sence nobody knows how do do it this way i have a nother posobility |
| 19:36.44 | trepan | you try clearing your cache as Grumbler did? (i assume it was the world cache) |
| 19:36.51 | Thumper_ | ok |
| 19:37.18 | Alex135 | is is posible to bounce the information to a nother user and have them reles it to the public but my computer is still the main host |
| 19:37.23 | Thumper_ | boink. |
| 19:37.30 | Thumper_ | downloads for awhile then dies |
| 19:37.38 | Thumper_ | after cache cleared |
| 19:37.52 | Alex135 | and have it do things live like that |
| 19:39.07 | Alex135 | ??? |
| 19:39.12 | Tupone | JeffM2501, where is JeffM2501 when we needs him :) |
| 19:39.49 | brlcad | Alex135: not any more |
| 19:40.07 | brlcad | presuming you're talking about bz *ahem* |
| 19:40.14 | Alex135 | ya |
| 19:40.48 | Alex135 | bzfs |
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| 19:41.29 | brlcad | wouldn't be too difficult at the next breakage for someone to work in a "relay" packet to allow unmodified pass-through packets through N arbitrary points |
| 19:41.52 | Alex135 | SWEET!!! |
| 19:42.01 | brlcad | not that anyone will |
| 19:42.01 | TheRedBaron | ping trepan |
| 19:42.06 | Alex135 | :( |
| 19:42.08 | brlcad | it's just possible |
| 19:42.15 | Alex135 | ya i know |
| 19:42.21 | trepan | TheRedBaron: ? |
| 19:42.30 | Alex135 | but it wold be kinda sillly if it was just for me lol |
| 19:42.39 | brlcad | yeah, kinda lol |
| 19:42.58 | TheRedBaron | trepan: i got a screenshot |
| 19:42.59 | Alex135 | ya....halarious. |
| 19:43.14 | Alex135 | *sigh |
| 19:43.18 | TheRedBaron | I just need to change it to .jpg before my pic host will upload it. |
| 19:43.38 | brlcad | howdy TheRedBaron |
| 19:43.46 | Alex135 | well it all depends on what comes first |
| 19:44.03 | Alex135 | becus i will be albe to host in a week anyway |
| 19:44.06 | TheRedBaron | howdy brlcad! |
| 19:44.15 | Alex135 | hope |
| 19:44.22 | Alex135 | if not maby i little longer |
| 19:44.28 | Alex135 | but i will be able to |
| 19:44.51 | brlcad | I'll be waiting with abated breath ;) |
| 19:45.15 | Alex135 | lol |
| 19:45.47 | trepan | Thumper_: how long has this been going on? anon cvs looks ok w.r.t. the array handling |
| 19:45.56 | Thumper_ | trepan: ok... now what? arrayCount is 3532 |
| 19:46.00 | Thumper_ | um since 2.0.4 I think |
| 19:46.09 | TheRedBaron | Trepan: http://images.unpatented.com/bzfi0002.jpg |
| 19:46.13 | Thumper_ | I can rebuild with the v2_0_4 tag to check |
| 19:46.15 | Thumper_ | if you like |
| 19:46.41 | TheRedBaron | there's my odd radar overlay |
| 19:46.41 | brlcad | TheRedBaron: pretty |
| 19:46.51 | trepan | TheRedBaron: looks like the scissors are dull |
| 19:47.04 | TheRedBaron | it messes up the message box, but it clears itself if some one picks up a flag, gets shot... etc anything to 'refresh' the message box |
| 19:47.51 | TheRedBaron | scissors? there are no scissors :) |
| 19:48.01 | TheRedBaron | so, whats the diagnoses? |
| 19:48.24 | trepan | glScissor() |
| 19:48.48 | brlcad | there is no spoon, there are lots of scissors |
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| 19:48.51 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v DTRemenak] by ChanServ |
| 19:49.16 | TheRedBaron | bug or not? |
| 19:49.22 | TheRedBaron | if so its kinda handy... |
| 19:49.23 | Alex135 | ok im gooing to go play on a bz server i hope somone makes that program so i can host lol bye :) |
| 19:49.36 | TheRedBaron | lets me see whats going on at the far end of the map and who's approaching |
| 19:50.35 | TheRedBaron | just the message box that messes up my view. I suppose i could turn it off... never thought about it. |
| 19:51.19 | Thumper_ | trepan: so what's useful for me to do next on this crash? |
| 19:52.28 | trepan | TheRedBaron: post your config file? |
| 19:52.43 | Thumper_ | Tupone: my fingers thank you :) (re frame command in gdb) |
| 19:52.45 | TheRedBaron | so, i've got a diagnoses, whats the prescription doc? |
| 19:52.49 | Tupone | :) |
| 19:52.50 | trepan | Thumper_: i dunno, i have a commit coming up that might help |
| 19:52.55 | Thumper_ | ok |
| 19:52.57 | TheRedBaron | trepan, sure thing |
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| 19:53.00 | trepan | Thumper_: the materials might be a bit jacked |
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| 19:53.29 | Thumper_ | currently I've been switching back to 2.0.2 client to run on maps the new client chokes on |
| 19:53.40 | Thumper_ | it'll be 5hrs until anon cvs catches up with your commit (right?) |
| 19:53.47 | Thumper_ | so I can try again later tonight or tomorrow |
| 19:53.53 | trepan | didn't say i was committing immediately ;) |
| 19:53.57 | Thumper_ | i konw |
| 19:54.07 | Thumper_ | I assume it'll be 5 hours after you say 'when' |
| 19:54.11 | Thumper_ | assuming you do ;) |
| 19:55.32 | trepan | in the extreme, you could buy a nvidia :) |
| 19:55.54 | Thumper_ | I could... |
| 19:56.38 | Thumper_ | but that doesn't really deal with the bug *cough* ;) |
| 19:56.38 | trepan | or i could buy an ATI... but that's unlikely |
| 19:57.10 | trepan | Thumper_: heh, if it's an ati drv bug, i'd consider it resolved |
| 19:57.24 | Thumper_ | true |
| 19:57.36 | TheRedBaron | trepan: http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/25775 |
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| 19:57.48 | Noodleroni | MOO |
| 19:58.40 | Thumper_ | trepan: but that isn't going to fix my laptop ... |
| 19:58.42 | trepan | TheRedBaron: got it, thx |
| 19:58.45 | TheRedBaron | who let the dogs out? |
| 19:58.53 | Thumper_ | which has an ati radeon 9000 in it same as my 2 workstations :/ |
| 19:59.03 | Thumper_ | and I think I have an extra one here somewhere |
| 19:59.55 | trepan | changes from 'bug' to 'workaround', then i wouldn't feel as compelled to remedy |
| 20:00.20 | trepan | if another dev can reproduce, they'd be in a better position to be useful |
| 20:00.27 | Thumper_ | workaround being... rip out ATI card, purchase Nvidia card, and swap? |
| 20:00.29 | Thumper_ | :) |
| 20:01.40 | trepan | i get the feeling that GL_LIGHTING or GL_TEXTURE_2D is in the wrong state |
| 20:01.51 | Thumper_ | trepan: I wasn't pushing... just trying to be useful :) |
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| 20:03.04 | TheRedBaron | Trepan: GL_LIGHTING, are you referring to my case or thumpers? |
| 20:03.45 | trepan | Thumper's |
| 20:03.54 | trepan | you're the scissor man |
| 20:04.14 | TheRedBaron | oh. right :) |
| 20:04.20 | ToughShooter | What am I then with my white light? :o |
| 20:05.19 | Tupone | hi Noodleman :) ltnsy |
| 20:05.28 | TheRedBaron | noodleman: look pretty pictures! http://images.unpatented.com/bzfi0002.jpg |
| 20:06.38 | trepan | TheRedBaron: 1. i don't get your effect 2. how can you play like that? |
| 20:06.45 | trepan | TheRedBaron: 3. what vidcard? |
| 20:08.05 | trepan | an i830, rage, mach64, s/w rendering? |
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| 20:08.45 | TheRedBaron | Trepan: 1.) i have got that effect on different computers, from 1.10.0 to 2.0.2. That pic you see is with win98, I've also had it happen with win2k |
| 20:08.54 | TheRedBaron | screenshot you see is with a rage |
| 20:09.39 | TheRedBaron | computer at work is an i830 integrated |
| 20:09.43 | trepan | bz version? |
| 20:09.43 | TheRedBaron | answer to 2.) thats what happens when you're addicted. you play on anything... |
| 20:09.49 | TheRedBaron | bzflag 2.0.2 |
| 20:13.34 | trepan | TheRedBaron: this next commit may help |
| 20:13.36 | TheRedBaron | hmm |
| 20:13.54 | trepan | you don't build your own clients, do you? |
| 20:14.31 | TheRedBaron | I'm afraid I don't |
| 20:14.38 | TheRedBaron | I only have dev++ |
| 20:15.55 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (6 files): All extern from command.cxx moved to bzfs.h |
| 20:17.37 | TheRedBaron | trepan: you know i'm a radar. that bug doesn't bother me terribly, I just mentioned it because tupone was talking about how he wished there was a radar overlay. |
| 20:17.40 | trepan | hm, forget it for now then... i'll cleanup my current diffs before doing any more tweaks |
| 20:19.09 | TheRedBaron | its actually quite handy, because i can see the whole map, at any zoom level. |
| 20:20.12 | TheRedBaron | as you can see, it shows the shots, and it shows the tanks also. I'm more curious as to if this could become a "feature" like the multiple hunt bug |
| 20:20.31 | trepan | hm, took another look, looks like polys are getting clipped, lines aren't |
| 20:22.11 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, what did you need? |
| 20:22.21 | JeffM2501 | I was at the petstore |
| 20:22.41 | Tupone | no problem , perhaps your patience with a guy here :) |
| 20:22.50 | Tupone | Alex135 |
| 20:22.59 | JeffM2501 | did he get his route taken care of? |
| 20:23.20 | trepan | purple_cow: heh, have a similar patch over here ;) |
| 20:23.46 | Tupone | nope, I was not able to get any info from him. Wanted to get server at Andrew university, but who know the internal net ? |
| 20:24.06 | Legoguy | theres a university named after me? :P |
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| 20:24.43 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, yeah I worked with him yesterday, he basicly dosn't have any incoming routes set up |
| 20:25.05 | TheRedBaron | trepan: i'll be on tomorrow morning on my work computer. If you have any more questions, For now, I've gotta run |
| 20:25.48 | Tupone | but at University, how can he get any change to the router ? I think is hopeless |
| 20:26.04 | JeffM2501 | he can't |
| 20:26.24 | JeffM2501 | his last option was to use a linux system somewhere else |
| 20:26.30 | JeffM2501 | that is where I left him at |
| 20:26.33 | purple_cow | trepan: i honestly don't know why i was going to do it. it's not like i play or develop anymore :P |
| 20:26.35 | JeffM2501 | but that system didn't have a route ether |
| 20:26.58 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, because you are weak |
| 20:26.59 | JeffM2501 | like I am |
| 20:27.32 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: yeah |
| 20:28.11 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, just let it go...... let it sink under, so it can be reborn anew |
| 20:28.23 | JeffM2501 | I know it's hard |
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| 20:29.00 | trepan | purple_cow: was playing with reg. combs. for per-pixel lighting a while ago |
| 20:29.05 | ToughShooter | http://pastebin.com/396780 <- still crashing client when connecting one more time while map is being downloaded |
| 20:29.22 | ToughShooter | something maybe wrong with pointer, I guess |
| 20:29.51 | purple_cow | trepan: register combiners are so 2002 |
| 20:30.02 | trepan | so's my vidcard |
| 20:30.06 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 20:30.30 | trepan | ToughShooter: try 2.0.4 with the same setup |
| 20:30.33 | JeffM2501 | pci-e for everyone! |
| 20:31.06 | ToughShooter | trepan: ok, I'll try with the older 2.0.4, too |
| 20:31.37 | trepan | ToughShooter: that was a 2.0.2 client, no? |
| 20:32.04 | ToughShooter | trepan: 2.0.2 was the bug report generator version |
| 20:32.19 | trepan | ah, bz version? |
| 20:32.33 | ToughShooter | and bzflag 2.0.4 crashes, too (but the official binary isn't stripped so I can't say whether same location) |
| 20:32.54 | ToughShooter | Hmm, todays anon CVS 12 hours ago |
| 20:33.24 | *** join/#bzflag PKMOBILE (n=Apathy@12.22.249.3) |
| 20:35.11 | ToughShooter | err, the 2.0.2 really came from the bzflag app, I forgot to update "info.plist" but that doesn't affect the binary, it's only a wrong version number being shown |
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| 20:39.39 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 20:42.06 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (RecordReplay.cxx bzfs.h bzfsAPI.cxx): RecordReplay extern moved to bzfs.h |
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| 21:11.40 | trepan | Thumper_: 'set noMeshClusters 1' in your config (will run slower, but might not crash) |
| 21:12.25 | Thumper_ | ok |
| 21:15.11 | Thumper_ | works! yay!! (FPS isn't bad either) |
| 21:19.32 | Thumper_ | trepan: thanks! |
| 21:19.39 | trepan | Thumper_: "DrawInfo Test Server" work for your 2.0.4+ client? (trepan.bzflag.bz:5432) |
| 21:20.07 | trepan | the orbiting ball and gears... |
| 21:25.34 | Thumper_ | checking |
| 21:26.41 | Thumper_ | yup - cool gears. 57FPS @ 1600x1200 full screen |
| 21:26.50 | Thumper_ | 2.0.5 (cvs) that is |
| 21:28.33 | trepan | heh, drawInfo's work (dlist'ed glDrawElements), but raw glDrawArrays are busted |
| 21:30.52 | ToughShooter | Wow, I suddently get 53 FPS at the drawinfo server #2 |
| 21:31.44 | ToughShooter | That's a nice fix, whenever it got checked in. |
| 21:32.48 | trepan | no lods there either... |
| 21:34.37 | trepan | oh, #2, lods on that one, but little i can't think of that would have helped fps |
| 21:34.50 | trepan | unless it was that lod ordering prob |
| 21:35.20 | trepan | (and that was being fixed server side) |
| 21:35.39 | ToughShooter | I had 0 FPS there previously |
| 21:35.42 | trepan | ToughShooter: were you one of the ones getting < 1fps there? |
| 21:35.49 | trepan | ah, cool, might be all fixed then |
| 21:35.52 | ToughShooter | It was drawinfo 2 |
| 21:36.03 | trepan | brlcad: can you confirm that sometime? (on the 5433 server) |
| 21:36.11 | ToughShooter | and now that I looked back at the older one, without the fog I got 8 FPS |
| 21:36.37 | ToughShooter | better than a client that needs 10 seconds to react even for menu switching ;) |
| 21:41.25 | trepan | it may have been rendering 134 million tris (less octree culling) |
| 21:43.55 | *** join/#bzflag SportChick (n=SportChi@ca-redbch-cuda1-c3b-a-40.stmnca.adelphia.net) |
| 21:44.17 | SportChick | orange: ping |
| 21:44.19 | SportChick | jomojo: ping |
| 21:44.22 | SportChick | silvercat: ping |
| 21:44.30 | SportChick | oops |
| 21:44.33 | SportChick | silverfox |
| 21:44.59 | ToughShooter | SportChick: I'm pinging jomojo the whole day already |
| 21:45.14 | SportChick | nm - I'm good now |
| 21:45.17 | SportChick | hiya ts |
| 21:45.21 | SportChick | he's probably busy |
| 21:45.31 | Aribeth | hiya Sporty |
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| 22:00.04 | SportChick | Aribeth: hi |
| 22:01.02 | *** part/#bzflag ToughShooter (n=ts@p54B01512.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 22:09.31 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/client/ (10 files in 2 dirs): |
| 22:09.31 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: list localy defined server addresses first |
| 22:09.31 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: let menu kick into game mode |
| 22:09.31 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: let game mode kick into menu |
| 22:09.32 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: everyone needs app settings |
| 22:09.32 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: keep current menu index around since the ID means squat to the input handler. |
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| 22:22.53 | jomojo | Sportchick and or ToughShooter |
| 22:22.58 | jomojo | what's going on? |
| 22:23.52 | SportChick | jomojo: I was banned on silvercat |
| 22:23.57 | wizatcomputer | i found a bug in bzflag: it kills monitors |
| 22:23.59 | wizatcomputer | =/ |
| 22:24.04 | SportChick | jomojo: but someone got me back in already |
| 22:24.10 | jomojo | you can't be banned on silvercat |
| 22:24.15 | jomojo | you have antiban.. |
| 22:24.21 | SportChick | jomojo: I don't know what happened with toughshooter |
| 22:24.30 | jomojo | even if you were banned you could just log back in |
| 22:24.35 | SportChick | jomojo: well, for about 2 minutes, I was banned - maybe antiban wasn't working |
| 22:24.58 | SportChick | jomojo: every time I tried to get back in, it gave me an error |
| 22:25.09 | jomojo | that's not a ban |
| 22:25.12 | SportChick | jomojo: but I came here (and didn't try to log on for about 5 minutes) and it let me back in |
| 22:25.13 | jomojo | that is something else |
| 22:25.35 | SportChick | jomojo: pds posted on the forums that he had banned me by mistake (I wondered :)) |
| 22:25.41 | jomojo | errors are different from bans.. when you are banned it will let you on long enough to tell you are banned |
| 22:25.57 | SportChick | jomojo: okay - well, I was getting a bad token error |
| 22:26.04 | SportChick | jomojo: thought it was related to the ban |
| 22:26.35 | jomojo | nope it is related to silvercat needing to update |
| 22:26.41 | SportChick | jomojo: ok |
| 22:26.48 | SportChick | poor pds is in shock, I think |
| 22:26.52 | SportChick | haven't seen him since |
| 22:27.38 | trepan | without being verified with a token, a ban would hold, iirc |
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| 23:10.05 | TimRiker | hmm. autogen overwrites the LGPL COPYING file with a GPL COPYING file. that's not good. |
| 23:11.47 | brlcad | automake bug when the steps have to run one at a time -- autogen actually attempts to correct this by making a .backup, but configure isn't restoring the backup yet |
| 23:12.43 | brlcad | it's the 'force' flag on automake, iirc (which is very much required for some other reason that I don't recall just this second) |
| 23:13.45 | brlcad | ends up wiping out COPYING and INSTALL both regardless of whether one exists |
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| 23:19.30 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/ (misc/Makefile.am misc/.cvsignore autogen.sh): use the correct license |
| 23:20.41 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/debian/ (control changelog.in): track changes in debian 2.0.4 update |
| 23:23.27 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/misc/.cvsignore: more auto* hacks |
| 23:26.14 | TimRiker | I uploaded a new debian package with alternate build-depends. I tried it on a box that's gcc-4-only and it built fine. the changelog closes a bunch of the debian bugs. |
| 23:26.48 | TimRiker | it's still a 2.0.4, just with the debian files change. the debian changes are checked into head. |
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