| 00:06.29 | ep | jhenn, the ubuntu package had / has problems I might have a howto for 2.0.4 on ubuntu |
| 00:06.49 | JeffM2501 | there is a ppc ubuntu package? |
| 00:08.08 | ep | no, just some instructions for compiling and making a deb. They were helpful for me. He might not need em:) |
| 00:08.19 | JeffM2501 | he also left :) |
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| 00:12.54 | cody6375 | ~bzfquery bzflag.secretplace.us:5255 |
| 00:12.55 | cody6375 | You should get a list of players back like: |
| 00:13.11 | cody6375 | ~bzfquery bzflag.secretplace.us:5255 |
| 00:13.50 | cody6375 | ~bzfquery ozsoft.biz:5154 |
| 00:15.28 | cody6375 | ~bzfquery ozsoft.biz:5154 |
| 00:15.39 | cody6375 | :) |
| 00:16.28 | SilentSwan | boredom kills |
| 00:16.38 | Aribeth | yes it does |
| 00:16.52 | cody6375 | so do big people with big sticks |
| 00:17.12 | SilentSwan | i'd prefer the big stick at this point |
| 00:17.18 | cody6375 | lol |
| 00:17.43 | SilentSwan | one can only spend so much time on kde-look.org |
| 00:18.41 | cody6375 | is anyone up to helpping me tonight ? |
| 00:19.53 | SilentSwan | i dunno... maybe if you post a question, someone might respond :) |
| 00:19.59 | cody6375 | hmmmmm........... |
| 00:20.08 | cody6375 | lol yopur right |
| 00:21.04 | SilentSwan | *sigh* if there's anything i hate more than writing documentation, it's writing documentation for incompetent office drones |
| 00:21.12 | cody6375 | I'm not sure how to ask the question \ |
| 00:21.22 | cody6375 | lol |
| 00:21.43 | cody6375 | brb |
| 00:22.24 | SilentSwan | my philosophy: "if you cannot understand the difference between Right Click and Left Click, then you shouldn't be working here" |
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| 00:36.46 | cody6375 | my question is this I want to run a server for the people at work but I'm not sure how to get a server started using my own worlds? |
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| 00:38.37 | trepan | -world |
| 00:39.04 | trepan | ~bzfs |
| 00:39.05 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, bzfs is the BZflag server, you need: -publicaddr server.name.com:5154 *and* -public " come play here" must be set in your bzfs.conf, *also* open the port (5154 in this case) in your firewall/router *also* see http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/CreatingAServer, or see http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=2915 |
| 00:39.17 | trepan | all the info you need is there |
| 00:39.47 | cody6375 | thanks |
| 00:41.32 | cody6375 | how would I creat a bat file to run this, I have no idea what needs to go in to it |
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| 00:52.05 | cody6375 | ~bzfquery ozsoft.biz:5154 |
| 00:52.44 | cody6375 | ~bzfquery ozsoft.biz:5154 |
| 00:52.51 | cody6375 | :( |
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| 00:54.37 | trepan | cody6375: you're lazy, a sample batch file is provided at http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/CreatingAServer |
| 00:56.26 | trepan | one last link for info: http://my.bzflag.org/bzfman.cgi |
| 00:56.33 | trepan | the bzfs one may be of interest |
| 00:57.13 | Thumper_ | trepan: is that from head or from v2_0branch? |
| 00:57.49 | trepan | head, but it doesn't much matter at the moment |
| 00:57.58 | Thumper_ | thx |
| 01:01.09 | Thumper_ | trepan: there is a minor formatting error on bzfs.6 after /flag show and before /kick |
| 01:01.38 | Thumper_ | some .TPs are showing up in the display |
| 01:02.06 | Thumper_ | but the content is still readable |
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| 01:23.41 | benplaut | anyone know why i would be getting about 2000000+ms lag? |
| 01:24.04 | benplaut | i have broadband, and the game runs fine, even though it isn't the best graphics card |
| 01:24.07 | blast007 | what OS, compiler, and version of the game? |
| 01:24.24 | blast007 | (compiler, if you compiled it, that is) |
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| 01:25.05 | benplaut | Ubuntu Breezy, using 2.2, and a binary, most likely compiled with gcc4 |
| 01:25.13 | orange_away | is it lag, or jitter? |
| 01:25.20 | orange_away | and is it negative? |
| 01:25.35 | Tupone | 2.2 or 2.0.2? |
| 01:25.52 | benplaut | everything seems fine on my end, but i shoot at a stationary person, and it doesn't even register |
| 01:26.02 | benplaut | err |
| 01:26.04 | benplaut | 2.0.2 |
| 01:26.12 | blast007 | ah, try compiling 2.0.4 |
| 01:26.22 | Tupone | have you seen statistics of your lag ? |
| 01:26.27 | benplaut | yes |
| 01:26.34 | blast007 | < benplaut> anyone know why i would be getting about 2000000+ms lag? |
| 01:26.42 | benplaut | ^^ |
| 01:26.48 | blast007 | :) |
| 01:27.35 | benplaut | i'm downloading the official binary, see if it helps |
| 01:27.41 | Tupone | well, a bug of bzflag was put on light by the gcc-4 . bzflag fix was in the 2.0.4 |
| 01:28.00 | benplaut | the weird thing is, everything seems to be normal, but my shots just don't register |
| 01:28.09 | orange | yes, relates to 64-bit issues, yes? |
| 01:28.57 | benplaut | (i'm on a x86, btw) |
| 01:29.36 | Tupone | 64 bit issue is another things AFAIK |
| 01:29.38 | orange | well, in any event, what blast007 said, just upgrad and it should go away |
| 01:29.46 | blast007 | http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=3248&package_id=3165&release_id=360277 |
| 01:29.52 | benplaut | well, the official client solved it :D |
| 01:30.01 | benplaut | still a bit of lag, but nothing crazy like that :/ |
| 01:31.01 | blast007 | seems the only official 2.0.4 builds on SF are for win32 and OS X |
| 01:32.00 | Tupone | who needs a build for linux? The best distro is source based :) |
| 01:32.13 | orange | hehehe |
| 01:32.15 | blast007 | right, be he said he was downloading a binary |
| 01:32.25 | blast007 | so I'm wondering where he got it, and which version it is |
| 01:32.36 | blast007 | but he* |
| 01:32.49 | Tupone | debian or ubuntu repository |
| 01:33.13 | blast007 | so from testing? |
| 01:34.11 | blast007 | I just always build from source ;) |
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| 01:36.14 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10tools/bzedit/ (4 files in 2 dirs): inferted pyramids |
| 01:36.43 | JeffM2501 | hmm inferted |
| 01:36.44 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10tools/bzedit/format_notes.txt: notes for drawing the ground |
| 01:36.47 | JeffM2501 | that sounds dirty |
| 01:37.27 | blast007 | heh |
| 01:37.52 | JeffM2501 | or smelly |
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| 01:40.39 | cody6375 | ~bzfquery ozsoft.biz:5154 |
| 01:40.52 | cody6375 | ~bzfquery ozsoft.biz:5154 |
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| 01:41.32 | cody6375 | okay I'm really lost on how you start this server from a doc prompt could someone please help me |
| 01:41.54 | JeffM2501 | doc prompt? |
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| 01:42.47 | Tupone | I guess he mean dos |
| 01:42.49 | cody6375 | sorry dos |
| 01:43.03 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 01:43.10 | JeffM2501 | did you read the how to start a public server thread? |
| 01:43.13 | JeffM2501 | it has a step by step |
| 01:43.59 | cody6375 | I guess I didn't see that :( |
| 01:44.36 | JeffM2501 | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=2915 |
| 01:44.52 | cody6375 | all I see is getting you server on a plubic list |
| 01:44.54 | JeffM2501 | it starts talking about the steps about 1/2 way down |
| 01:44.58 | JeffM2501 | before the "code" part |
| 01:45.07 | CBG | cody6375: are you on a mac, by any chance? |
| 01:45.15 | cody6375 | nope |
| 01:45.26 | CBG | Okay, i'll keep shtum then. |
| 01:45.42 | cody6375 | thanks jeff |
| 01:45.45 | JeffM2501 | that thread tells you how to get public yes, but it also tells you the steps to run ANY server |
| 01:45.52 | JeffM2501 | if you don't want it public |
| 01:46.00 | JeffM2501 | just take out the -public part |
| 01:46.18 | cody6375 | okay thanks I'll start reading it now |
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| 02:01.41 | SilentSwan | *sigh* torrents take too long |
| 02:01.57 | cody6375 | ~bzfquery ozsoft.biz:5154 |
| 02:02.05 | cody6375 | :) |
| 02:02.11 | Grumbler | SilentSwan, are there days where you dont complain.......smile, be happy, drink |
| 02:02.22 | SilentSwan | hmm |
| 02:02.33 | SilentSwan | well, sorry. just in my nature |
| 02:02.35 | SilentSwan | i shouldn't |
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| 02:03.15 | SilentSwan | someone forgot to turn off the "Bitter/Frustrated/Angry" gene |
| 02:03.32 | SilentSwan | ah well, i'll leave |
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| 02:03.37 | Grumbler | heh |
| 02:03.45 | Grumbler | didnt mean it that way |
| 02:04.06 | Grumbler | well lag in bzflag is similar to lag in COD2 |
| 02:04.38 | Grumbler | although the ping times are generally much less to the servers.....the game impact is similar |
| 02:04.50 | Grumbler | anything over 90ms is unplayable |
| 02:04.56 | Grumbler | unless you like to die |
| 02:05.50 | Grumbler | i did get to drive a sucky tank......if bz's tanks drove that way, no one would complain about lag......to dang slow |
| 02:06.12 | Grumbler | although it did have turret/up/down controls |
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| 02:09.07 | Grumbler | hmm, time to watch the life of brian |
| 02:09.14 | Grumbler | later all |
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| 03:02.41 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03trepan 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/Roaming.cxx: looser observer selection, better for admining |
| 03:08.09 | orange | re-yay |
| 03:08.17 | orange | it was loose, then tight again :-) |
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| 03:10.58 | Aribeth | !weather 3004 |
| 03:11.25 | Aribeth | !weather 30040 |
| 03:11.27 | Guu | Aribeth: The current temperature in Weather Underground is 34°F. |
| 03:12.37 | Aribeth | hummm...only 5 degrees off :) |
| 03:13.53 | cosmos | !weather 90404 |
| 03:13.55 | Guu | cosmos: The current temperature in Weather Underground is 61°F. |
| 03:15.47 | cosmos | the joy of netapps |
| 03:19.17 | Aribeth | yep |
| 03:19.52 | cosmos | updating this 270C to 7.0.2 and adding a new nfs vlan heh |
| 03:20.09 | Aribeth | ahh |
| 03:20.35 | cosmos | simple stuff but i have to walk 3 flights of stairs to get to the datacenter heh |
| 03:20.48 | Aribeth | ouch |
| 03:24.41 | cosmos | could be worse |
| 03:24.44 | cosmos | could be windows |
| 03:24.57 | Aribeth | true |
| 03:30.26 | cosmos | back upstairs again sheesh |
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| 03:31.21 | Aribeth | hiya wizatcomp |
| 03:31.38 | wizatcomp | hey Aribeth |
| 03:31.40 | wizatcomp | how's it going? |
| 03:31.43 | Aribeth | good |
| 03:32.07 | Aribeth | and you? |
| 03:32.14 | wizatcomp | pretty good |
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| 04:01.54 | lan56 | why are the lag times on silvercat so high? |
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| 04:02.58 | cosmos | perhaps hes got some latency |
| 04:03.34 | lan56 | yes, but this is the first time I have ever seen a lag problem on the server side |
| 04:04.00 | cosmos | is he supposed to be immune to network issues? ;) |
| 04:04.11 | lan56 | yes actually he is! |
| 04:04.12 | lan56 | :) |
| 04:04.14 | lan56 | jk |
| 04:05.10 | cosmos | it happens. i have weeks of lighting fast times at hepcat |
| 04:05.11 | cosmos | then presto a bad afternoon |
| 04:06.17 | lan56 | I see |
| 04:07.31 | cosmos | its not cheap to get fast 30+ player servers heh |
| 04:08.02 | lan56 | indeed |
| 04:08.28 | cosmos | on my original server valentino i once got a 50 player ffa game with no one over 400 ping |
| 04:08.32 | cosmos | that was amazing |
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| 05:17.17 | trepan | Thumper_: http://trepan.bzflag.bz/noshow/netstat.jpg |
| 05:17.32 | trepan | the GUI part of it is obviously demo junk :) |
| 05:18.24 | Thumper_ | um what am I looking at? |
| 05:18.55 | trepan | the little red bars under 'Score' |
| 05:19.19 | trepan | they'll tell ya the player's current lag |
| 05:19.20 | Thumper_ | ah... |
| 05:19.45 | Thumper_ | okay... now I want that under the tanks out the window! ;) |
| 05:19.47 | trepan | need to work out where to put the bars, might be nice to have them near the visual tank |
| 05:19.57 | trepan | ST and CL are the prob... |
| 05:20.01 | Thumper_ | true |
| 05:20.24 | Thumper_ | but if you don't know who it is it's hard to xref with the score list all the time |
| 05:20.56 | trepan | dems de breaks |
| 05:20.59 | Thumper_ | :D |
| 05:21.02 | Thumper_ | fair nuf |
| 05:21.36 | trepan | could always make it a server option, maybe having a tracking bar at the top attached to the last player that you 'identified' |
| 05:21.38 | Thumper_ | have you heard anything about the network traffic work in 2.1? |
| 05:21.47 | trepan | nope, what about it? |
| 05:22.15 | Thumper_ | I'm looking for info (don'thave any) about the work on reducing network traffic |
| 05:22.43 | Thumper_ | I'm just curious |
| 05:22.58 | trepan | tup has done some stuff, broken some stuff :) |
| 05:23.00 | Thumper_ | I think someone mentioned they were going to try to reduce amount of |
| 05:23.06 | Thumper_ | traffic between client and server |
| 05:23.26 | trepan | could do quenching, multi packets msgs, etc... |
| 05:23.44 | trepan | i'd thing it more important to do authoritative server next |
| 05:23.57 | Thumper_ | that'll help alot |
| 05:23.59 | trepan | (which can get you some network reductions as a benefit) |
| 05:24.44 | trepan | at the expensive of more cpu load on the server, and the clients |
| 05:25.17 | Thumper_ | the server isn't stressing out too much yet |
| 05:25.26 | Thumper_ | so more load there probably isn't a huge issue |
| 05:25.52 | Thumper_ | not sure about the clients with the slow gpu's though |
| 05:26.17 | trepan | learner's server is starting grind a bit :) 10% usage for a loaded bzfs server |
| 05:26.23 | trepan | ... need to profile it sometime |
| 05:28.38 | trepan | but with control at server, the only two concerns would be aimbots and spammers |
| 05:28.58 | Thumper_ | aimbots - as in computed targetting? |
| 05:29.10 | Thumper_ | that fire when you are pointed the right way? |
| 05:29.11 | trepan | ya |
| 05:29.31 | trepan | or help point you, or auto-jump/auto-dodge, etc... |
| 05:32.26 | Thumper_ | the lagbars on the score list... it's interesting how 2nd from the top has both high lag and a high score |
| 05:32.32 | Thumper_ | I wonder if that is common |
| 05:34.13 | Thumper_ | and when I minimize with F4 I go [nr] and lag goes thru the roof when I restore the app |
| 05:34.19 | Thumper_ | sometimes to the point of getting kicked for lag |
| 05:41.31 | Thumper_ | time for sleep - cya trepan |
| 05:43.55 | trepan | ciao |
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| 07:00.20 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03trepan 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx: "/flag reset" requires an argument (all or unused) |
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| 07:57.47 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03trepan 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx: implemented "/flag drop <#slot|PlayerName|"PlayerName"|FlagAbbv>" |
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| 09:11.55 | SilentSwan | *shhhh* everyone hide............... |
| 09:12.17 | _Manu_ | boo |
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| 09:41.17 | ruskie | hmmm |
| 09:42.07 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03trepan 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (CmdLineOptions.cxx bzfs.cxx bzfs.h commands.cxx): /flag give player #flagId|flagAbbv [force] |
| 09:51.56 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03trepan 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/CustomZone.cxx: fix the check |
| 09:52.49 | BearPerson | hey, /flag drop |
| 09:52.52 | BearPerson | I like that |
| 09:53.12 | BearPerson | perfect for preventing cap on uneven teams |
| 09:53.21 | BearPerson | less harsh than /kill |
| 09:58.47 | ruskie | hmm especialy from tking stealers... |
| 09:58.51 | ruskie | :) |
| 09:58.56 | ruskie | i.e. TH |
| 10:00.39 | trepan | the 'give' only drops the flag near the last known location |
| 10:00.47 | trepan | 2.1.x can actually force it |
| 10:01.16 | trepan | s/can/could (if someone writes it) |
| 10:02.16 | Pimpinella | trepan: didn't look properly yet, but did you implement /flag drop #slot ? |
| 10:02.37 | _Manu_ | better is remove the team flag when unevens |
| 10:02.53 | _Manu_ | then no kill nor drop |
| 10:03.08 | trepan | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:03.17 | trepan | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:03.23 | trepan | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:04.09 | _Manu_ | /flag give heh.. good tool for bad admins :) |
| 10:04.22 | trepan | good tool for dev'ing too :) |
| 10:04.31 | Pimpinella | yeah, i just didn't find where #slot is done, but maybe above, i'll look twice |
| 10:04.36 | _Manu_ | yes, better than looking or one ;) |
| 10:04.53 | _Manu_ | s/or/for |
| 10:05.14 | trepan | Pimpinella: GameKeeper::Player::getPlayerIDByName() handles #slot |
| 10:05.23 | Pimpinella | ic |
| 10:05.37 | _Manu_ | Meno changed it if iirc |
| 10:05.43 | Pimpinella | ah yeah, i remember now |
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| 10:10.20 | trepan | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:10.26 | trepan | (for the occasional locked team flag) |
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| 10:19.22 | _Manu_ | /flag give All Genocide :) |
| 10:19.34 | Pimpinella | i knew overloading operator() for the command objects was no good idea |
| 10:27.16 | ruskie | _Manu_, evil |
| 10:27.19 | ruskie | imagine all the tks |
| 10:30.34 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03trepan 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: simplify disabling speed checks |
| 10:43.31 | _Manu_ | ruskie, :) |
| 10:43.37 | ruskie | :) |
| 10:44.18 | ruskie | anyway gotta go.. then got some java(bleh) code to make for school and discrete structures homework and then cleanup around here and then I might acctually play smoe more... |
| 10:45.06 | ruskie | and I'm SO NOT in the mood to do coding... |
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| 10:57.11 | _Manu_ | java... :) |
| 11:00.58 | Birdie | be happy you may do java for school, i'm stuck with visual basic |
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| 11:03.46 | ToughShooter | Birdie: Aww |
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| 11:24.34 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03trepan 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx: send admin msgs |
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| 11:58.43 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03trepan 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx: |
| 11:58.43 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: - moved some functionality from '/flag drop' into '/flag reset' |
| 11:58.43 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: - renamed '/flag drop' to '/flag take' |
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| 12:30.48 | jomojo | for all of those who are silvercat cops or admins I encourage you to go by silvercat.bzleague.com and read the latest admin discussions |
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| 12:39.44 | LePoulpe303 | Hi all |
| 12:41.35 | Ice_Wewe | Hey, how is it going with the riots? |
| 12:41.49 | LePoulpe303 | i have a problem : i have a delay between the moment when i move the mouse pointer and the moment when the tank moves; anyone has an idea ? |
| 12:41.58 | Ice_Wewe | high CPU load? |
| 12:42.02 | LePoulpe303 | Ice_Wewe: never believe what you see on TV :D |
| 12:42.17 | Ice_Wewe | LePoulpe303: ok, I wont ;) |
| 12:43.11 | Ice_Wewe | oh wow, the version for bzflag is specified in a file?! so someone could just go in and change it to some funny number... that is... interesting... |
| 12:43.37 | Ice_Wewe | no wonder I once saw a guy with version 5.0.0 |
| 12:43.48 | LePoulpe303 | :) |
| 12:43.55 | Ice_Wewe | hmmm.... |
| 12:44.06 | Ice_Wewe | guess it has to be that way... |
| 12:44.09 | Ice_Wewe | but still |
| 12:44.30 | Ice_Wewe | ugg, BZFlag finish making!!!! this is taking forever! |
| 12:44.55 | Ice_Wewe | LePoulpe303: is could be that you have a high CPU load, and that PS/2 is getting some lag |
| 12:45.15 | Ice_Wewe | LePoulpe303: do you get the same thing when you drive with the keyboard? |
| 12:45.32 | Ice_Wewe | LePoulpe303: if so, I suspect its either BZFlag, or CPU lag |
| 12:45.45 | LePoulpe303 | Ice_Wewe: cpu load is normal; and same HW works perfectly with windows XP; problem is with the Linux (Ubuntu) version |
| 12:46.08 | LePoulpe303 | i check for keyboard |
| 12:46.15 | Ice_Wewe | LePoulpe303: hmmm, perhaps BZFlag has some bad code... sorry I can't really help you, I'm a WADS guy myself |
| 12:46.58 | LePoulpe303 | keyboard is more reponsive but there is also a delay |
| 12:47.07 | Ice_Wewe | hmmm |
| 12:47.26 | Ice_Wewe | perhaps you should talk to a developer... I use the keyboard on Mandriva, and it works like a charm |
| 12:47.42 | Ice_Wewe | its even wireless ;D |
| 12:48.12 | LePoulpe303 | :) |
| 12:48.44 | LePoulpe303 | the problem is that developer are mostly asleep actually :) |
| 12:50.05 | LePoulpe303 | i think 'ill post that on bz forum |
| 12:50.30 | orchid | what is your frame rate? |
| 12:51.04 | LePoulpe303 | hmmm |
| 12:51.19 | LePoulpe303 | which key must i press ? F? |
| 12:51.46 | orchid | t I think |
| 12:51.58 | LePoulpe303 | lol |
| 12:52.21 | DTRemenak | perhaps I will go to bed soon. 5 am here. |
| 12:52.40 | orchid | DTRemenak: heh, thats a late night |
| 12:52.54 | LePoulpe303 | ~ 80 FPS |
| 12:53.30 | DTRemenak | for anyone who cares, Civ4 is buggier than any other game I've played, including bzflag cvs anytime. recommend not buying until at a patch comes out. |
| 12:53.46 | DTRemenak | can't get it to run for more than 10 or 12 turns in a row |
| 12:54.56 | LePoulpe303 | orchid : ~ 80 FPS |
| 12:55.32 | trepan | DTRemenak: the word 'turns' is enough of a deterrent ;) |
| 12:55.46 | DTRemenak | trepan: heh, TBS is the best ;) |
| 12:55.59 | brlcad | DTRemenak: could have told you the same regarding civ4 ;-) |
| 12:56.10 | DTRemenak | brlcad: yeah yeah yeah :) |
| 12:56.29 | DTRemenak | too much clicking and not enough thinking |
| 12:56.49 | brlcad | for the add in all of us |
| 12:56.58 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 12:57.06 | orchid | LePoulpe303: you have the right drivers for your video card? |
| 12:57.10 | LePoulpe303 | oh btw anyone know if there's a working RSS feed for active server list ? |
| 12:57.29 | LePoulpe303 | orchid : no right drivers for my ATI card on linux :) |
| 12:57.35 | DTRemenak | (so much for no developers being up) |
| 12:58.44 | LePoulpe303 | orchid : when my tank moves, display is smooth ; problem is that delay that make aim very difficult |
| 12:58.50 | brlcad | write them a letter, make it from the "Coalition of Open Source Software Development" or something ;) |
| 12:59.13 | trepan | brlcad: a bunch of folks have been at that for years |
| 13:00.05 | LePoulpe303 | trepan: make likem in my country : burn their cars and schools if they don't want to do it |
| 13:00.47 | wizart | the graphic driver stuff is a good example why patents hurt consumers. Patent wars are the reason why they don't publish any documentations about the graphic cards anymore. |
| 13:00.48 | brlcad | Ice_Wewe: you'd expect the version in more than a file? in no files? :) |
| 13:01.23 | wizart | Provided you think of bzflag players as consumers |
| 13:02.26 | trepan | LePoulpe303: odd enough, one of the more focused groups trying to get TA open-sourced is based in France |
| 13:03.45 | LePoulpe303 | trepan : if they come from our suburbs, they will know the method :D |
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| 13:14.39 | Ice_Wewe | brlcad: yep :) |
| 13:15.17 | Ice_Wewe | LePoulpe303: if you want to lower your cpuload, you can do /localset fpsLimit xx |
| 13:15.51 | Ice_Wewe | brlcad: but this means that someone could change a 2.1.x client to be protocol version 0026 |
| 13:16.11 | Ice_Wewe | brlcad: this also means that someone with 2.0 could make it seem like they have a 5.0 client |
| 13:16.15 | brlcad | better to just turn on the energy saver option |
| 13:16.32 | Ice_Wewe | brlcad: or are server programmed to look for those fake clients, and not let them play? |
| 13:16.41 | brlcad | Ice_Wewe: sure they can, but then they can do anything .. they have the entire source |
| 13:16.54 | Ice_Wewe | brlcad: good point... |
| 13:17.23 | brlcad | even if it was "hidden" throughout the source, that would just prevent the idiots |
| 13:17.38 | Ice_Wewe | brlcad: another good point |
| 13:17.40 | brlcad | any developer with intent would be able to figure it out |
| 13:18.19 | brlcad | so it's made simple to make our lives easier, managing the version is a pain enough as it is sometimes |
| 13:18.54 | Ice_Wewe | brlcad: is it possible to edit a file in the source to make the bots jump, and use flags? or are they doomed to be retarted forever? |
| 13:19.01 | trepan | hm, something for me to port: http://taspring.clan-sy.com/screenshots.php |
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| 13:22.25 | brlcad | not bad |
| 13:22.55 | brlcad | Ice_Wewe: of course it's possible, anything is possible |
| 13:24.41 | _Manu_ | Ice_Wewe, you need more than 'edit' a source file for rescue the bots from dumbland ;) |
| 13:24.55 | Ice_Wewe | brlcad: so if you took RobotPlayer.cxx and replaced it with AutoPilot.cxx it would make the bot smarter? |
| 13:25.41 | brlcad | ehh |
| 13:25.48 | brlcad | not exactly |
| 13:26.07 | Ice_Wewe | brlcad: well, why wouldn't it? |
| 13:26.18 | brlcad | give it a try and find out |
| 13:26.31 | brlcad | maybe it will |
| 13:28.40 | Ice_Wewe | /home/wili/bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx:1948: undefined reference to `RobotPlayer::restart(float const*, float)' |
| 13:28.40 | Ice_Wewe | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 13:28.45 | Ice_Wewe | that is the error I get |
| 13:29.03 | Ice_Wewe | ohhh, and a lot more |
| 13:29.06 | _Manu_ | good morning brlcad :) |
| 13:29.07 | Ice_Wewe | want me to pastebin it? |
| 13:29.15 | brlcad | Ice_Wewe: please don't |
| 13:29.20 | _Manu_ | heh |
| 13:29.26 | brlcad | the error is no surprise, it's supposed to be education to YOU |
| 13:29.33 | brlcad | _Manu_: morning manu :) |
| 13:30.11 | Ice_Wewe | brlcad: http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/28455 |
| 13:30.29 | brlcad | Ice_Wewe: that's not how developing works, you can't just replace files blindly without thinking about what's going on or what is in the files |
| 13:30.56 | Ice_Wewe | brlcad: I was looking into it... I didn't just blindly replace it |
| 13:31.04 | brlcad | and you're not listening, so i'm just going to stop encouraging :) |
| 13:31.39 | Ice_Wewe | brlcad: ok |
| 13:36.39 | Tupone | Ice_Wewe: bots will get soon an hard recoding, not for being that smart, just to be more network friendly. So if you want to mess with them, you'll have to do again |
| 13:37.26 | Ice_Wewe | Tupone: I intend to try and make a smarter bot with my limited programming abilities... and I've already started |
| 13:38.16 | Tupone | dunno what you mean by limited, if they are that limited you don't get that far |
| 13:38.54 | Ice_Wewe | Tupone: yep, I don't get very far, but right now I'm remaking it with the new RobotPlayer.cxx |
| 13:39.06 | Tupone | good luck :) |
| 13:43.48 | ToughShooter | Is the network protocol documentation still outdated? |
| 13:44.11 | Tupone | yea |
| 13:47.28 | Ice_Wewe | ToughShooter: hehe, as if someone on dialup doesn't already hate playing with 500s lag |
| 13:48.20 | ToughShooter | I was told by devs that they could play on not very busy servers that are near them |
| 13:48.42 | Tupone | I played with dial-up ... 250 msec lag |
| 13:50.33 | ToughShooter | pings to secretplace had more than 1 second lag for me but I don't really care about as I use always use ADSL nowadays |
| 14:10.22 | Pimpinella | 250 ms sounds familiar |
| 14:11.12 | Pimpinella | i used to have aprox that lag on xmission when i still used dialup |
| 14:11.27 | Tupone | yeah, I used to play there |
| 14:12.17 | Tupone | but now they increase the shot number, and I cannot get that value anymore |
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| 14:42.21 | LePoulpe303 | Ice_Wewe: /localset fpsLimit xx is case sensistive ? does'nrt seems to chnage anything to fps .. |
| 14:43.24 | brlcad | LePoulpe303: turn on Energy Saver in the menu |
| 14:44.11 | brlcad | if you don't have an energy saver option in the options menu, then you don't have the frame limit capability |
| 14:44.57 | LePoulpe303 | brlcad : ok : option n°2 :D |
| 14:51.52 | LePoulpe303 | so ; noone has an idea about my mouse delay problem :( |
| 14:53.18 | Tupone | LePoulpe303: what OS ? |
| 14:53.28 | brlcad | LePoulpe303: ideas were mentioned -- sounds like your cpu is capped |
| 14:53.36 | LePoulpe303 | brlcad: impossible |
| 14:53.41 | LePoulpe303 | nothing is running |
| 14:53.52 | brlcad | do you have a cpu monitor running? |
| 14:53.54 | LePoulpe303 | works perfectly with same box on windows |
| 14:54.52 | LePoulpe303 | actually cpu % is 5% |
| 14:54.57 | brlcad | are you using the mouse or keys and do you see messages in the chat console that say "mouse movement detected", "key..something" etc |
| 14:55.14 | LePoulpe303 | nope |
| 14:56.09 | LePoulpe303 | hmmm |
| 14:56.10 | brlcad | that was two questions |
| 14:56.19 | LePoulpe303 | cpu reaches 100% during play |
| 14:56.52 | LePoulpe303 | oh sry i use mouse |
| 14:57.29 | brlcad | cpu should reach 100 during play unless energy saver is turned on |
| 14:57.40 | LePoulpe303 | oh ok |
| 15:05.49 | LePoulpe303 | if it may help my config is : Athlon XP 1700 ; 512 Mo Ram ; Ubuntu 5.10 |
| 15:07.10 | LePoulpe303 | ATI Radeon 9550 128mb |
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| 16:40.18 | Lodyev | hello people! |
| 16:44.22 | blast007 | hello :) |
| 16:45.07 | Lodyev | can you help me? |
| 16:45.19 | ToughShooter | What's the question? |
| 16:47.28 | Lodyev | well |
| 16:47.34 | Lodyev | its a small server problem |
| 16:47.52 | Lodyev | 2 actually |
| 16:47.57 | Lodyev | serperate problems |
| 16:48.03 | blast007 | ok.. |
| 16:48.08 | Lodyev | right |
| 16:48.11 | Lodyev | the first |
| 16:48.39 | Lodyev | i make a complex server useing a map and report file and all that jazz, and i get in and i can play |
| 16:48.45 | Lodyev | it says right click to play |
| 16:48.50 | Lodyev | and i do it and it don't |
| 16:48.52 | Lodyev | so... |
| 16:48.57 | Lodyev | i identify and bang! |
| 16:49.11 | Lodyev | the server disconnects |
| 16:49.12 | Lodyev | the other it |
| 16:49.15 | Lodyev | is* |
| 16:49.21 | Lodyev | that i start a server |
| 16:49.24 | Lodyev | a simple one |
| 16:49.38 | Lodyev | and i get in fine |
| 16:49.48 | Lodyev | and i for a flag |
| 16:49.52 | Lodyev | and i canet it |
| 16:50.05 | Lodyev | cant get it |
| 16:50.08 | blast007 | hmm |
| 16:50.14 | Lodyev | so i looked at my command prompt |
| 16:50.28 | Lodyev | and it says :user lodyev tried to get distant flag |
| 16:50.36 | Lodyev | but the thing is |
| 16:50.55 | Lodyev | my bro tries it from his comp, hooked up to the same network *same ip* |
| 16:51.03 | Lodyev | and doesnt work for him |
| 16:51.08 | Lodyev | then other people log on |
| 16:51.21 | Lodyev | and i see them getting flags and they can shoot me |
| 16:51.28 | Lodyev | but i can't shoot them |
| 16:51.42 | Lodyev | Thats it =) |
| 16:52.20 | Lodyev | any ideas |
| 16:53.02 | ToughShooter | are you using debian or ubuntu? |
| 16:53.18 | Lodyev | sorry but im really not up to date n terms =) |
| 16:53.25 | Lodyev | got grounded for 3 months |
| 16:53.28 | Lodyev | =) |
| 16:53.38 | Lodyev | *hint* explain? |
| 16:53.42 | Lodyev | =) |
| 16:54.59 | blast007 | what OS, and what version of bzflag? |
| 16:56.03 | Lodyev | Xp |
| 16:56.08 | Lodyev | and 2.0.4 |
| 16:57.16 | Lodyev | oh and i got a router but i forwarded it so i don't think its a problem |
| 16:58.39 | Lodyev | what am i doing wrong? |
| 16:59.05 | brlcad | Lodyev: sounds like local filtering of some sort |
| 16:59.24 | brlcad | is the server on the localhost? |
| 16:59.49 | Lodyev | idk, how do i check? |
| 17:00.12 | brlcad | uhm, where is the client, and where is the server.. if they are on the same box, then it's localhost |
| 17:01.03 | Lodyev | yea, i open server with command prompt and use standard bzflag client |
| 17:01.08 | brlcad | if it is localhost, try connecting to 127.0.0.1 as the address instead of what's on the server menu |
| 17:01.12 | Lodyev | is that what ou talking about |
| 17:01.18 | Lodyev | okay |
| 17:01.24 | Lodyev | ill come back if not work okay? |
| 17:02.29 | blast007 | k |
| 17:04.49 | Lodyev | works but not sure if its mine |
| 17:05.01 | Lodyev | oh it is |
| 17:05.03 | Lodyev | thanks |
| 17:06.02 | brlcad | means your router isn't configured quite correctly to properly route and allow your own traffic |
| 17:06.14 | brlcad | or it's just a crap router |
| 17:07.42 | brlcad | more likely a combination of both ;) |
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| 17:58.32 | Lodyev | are the nice people who helped me still here? |
| 17:59.43 | blast007 | :) |
| 18:00.22 | blast007 | oops, was there something in my teeth? |
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| 18:37.34 | brlcad | it was those beedy eyes |
| 18:37.56 | blast007 | hehe |
| 19:05.13 | cosmos | hrm |
| 19:05.30 | cosmos | time to find a 67-68 coupe de ville |
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| 19:27.03 | ruskie | hmmm blue base full of red super players who are trying to get the blue flag and then one gets it the others just camp there and don't move... |
| 19:27.39 | cosmos | haha |
| 19:28.23 | Pimpi | team play |
| 19:28.24 | ruskie | but then it's borring when all you get to do is be blown up |
| 19:28.28 | ruskie | yeah |
| 19:28.43 | ruskie | they need to defend the one guy so that he can allign for the jump to grab the flag :) |
| 19:29.14 | cosmos | i saw a great thing the other day like 3-4 players teaming up to cap their own flag. musta been a slow day in school |
| 19:29.22 | ruskie | lol |
| 19:29.48 | Pimpi | ruskie: near the pyramid at the end of the bailey? |
| 19:29.53 | ruskie | erm? |
| 19:29.56 | ruskie | bailey? |
| 19:30.00 | Pimpi | wall |
| 19:30.08 | ruskie | no |
| 19:30.09 | ruskie | on base |
| 19:30.18 | ruskie | at the end of the pyramid |
| 19:30.22 | ruskie | the external part :) |
| 19:30.27 | Pimpi | ic |
| 19:30.29 | ruskie | there's a tinnnnynyyyyyy ledge there |
| 19:30.47 | ruskie | a good alligned jump can plant it there |
| 19:30.50 | ruskie | and also grab it |
| 19:30.51 | ruskie | :) |
| 19:31.11 | ruskie | rm -rf showed it :) I learned it... |
| 19:31.15 | ruskie | it's hard to plant |
| 19:31.21 | ruskie | you're more likely to pass it... |
| 19:31.38 | Pimpi | somehing is smelly here |
| 19:31.53 | Pimpi | hmm, must be me. time for a shower |
| 19:31.53 | ruskie | well when the server will be more quiet I'd love to show you :) |
| 19:31.55 | ruskie | lol |
| 19:32.13 | ruskie | it's hard to do it if you can't quickly retirve the flag from center |
| 19:32.46 | ruskie | binocs and good allignment help... |
| 19:32.59 | ruskie | but then I manage to plant it great then manu reset the flags :( |
| 19:33.11 | ruskie | I've seen today how many players are able to retrive it... |
| 19:33.14 | ruskie | tons and tons of them |
| 19:33.21 | Pimpi | oh, i know the spot, i rewrote the map from scratch ;) |
| 19:33.36 | ruskie | ahh so you put it? |
| 19:33.53 | Pimpi | nah, i don't use those tricks |
| 19:34.41 | Pimpi | but i know hot to place the flag and how to recover it |
| 19:47.01 | _Manu_ | ruskie, I'll fix it |
| 19:47.16 | _Manu_ | it's a design bug |
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| 19:55.27 | Ice_Wewe | question |
| 19:55.42 | Aribeth | answer |
| 19:56.01 | gsnedders | questioning the asnswer |
| 19:56.13 | Ice_Wewe | there was a problem a few days ago about a guy joining from about 200 different IP addresses, is there some file in the source that he could have edited to tell the server a fake IP? |
| 19:57.28 | Aribeth | he could have used tor, or he may have something that lets him change ip's on the fly, (ie. spoofing) |
| 19:57.45 | Ice_Wewe | what is tor? and how would he change IPs on the fly? |
| 19:58.57 | Aribeth | tor is a distributed networking system that allows one to mask where they are by routing through many different computers |
| 19:59.17 | Ice_Wewe | cool (but not for an admin) |
| 20:00.22 | Aribeth | nope, for an admin its not good |
| 20:00.24 | Ice_Wewe | so tor goes through other tor clients? to spoof an IP? |
| 20:00.46 | Ice_Wewe | I've just installed it, to see how it works, and so far it seems pretty boring... |
| 20:00.48 | Aribeth | tor masks the origin ip |
| 20:00.56 | Ice_Wewe | Aribeth: how? |
| 20:01.03 | Ice_Wewe | Aribeth: does it go through others? |
| 20:01.20 | Aribeth | it routs through different computers. that all i know |
| 20:02.00 | Ice_Wewe | Aribeth: does it work if your not running it on a gateway? (such as an internal computer?) |
| 20:02.00 | Aribeth | duno |
| 20:02.19 | Ice_Wewe | hold on, I'm gonna go test my new autopilot (I've been looking into the files, and I think I may have build a smarter bot...) |
| 20:03.43 | Ice_Wewe | bah, stupider that ever! |
| 20:03.50 | Aribeth | heh |
| 20:04.25 | Ice_Wewe | msut be because I touched it... |
| 20:04.27 | Ice_Wewe | must* |
| 20:07.10 | Aribeth | just banned a guy for cheating |
| 20:07.54 | Ice_Wewe | Aribeth: cool, what server? |
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| 20:08.02 | Aribeth | sleepycows |
| 20:08.16 | Ice_Wewe | Aribeth: didn't work, my IP is the same as it always is |
| 20:08.24 | Ice_Wewe | Aribeth: maybe my ISP doesn't support tor |
| 20:08.31 | Aribeth | duno |
| 20:08.32 | Ice_Wewe | Aribeth: or maybe I need to run it on the gateway... |
| 20:08.36 | Aribeth | i dont like tor |
| 20:08.41 | Ice_Wewe | Aribeth: why not? |
| 20:08.56 | Aribeth | hackers can hide behind it |
| 20:09.10 | Ice_Wewe | Aribeth: yes, for every good thing, there is a downside |
| 20:10.22 | devster | Aribeth: debateable, as there are quite a few government ran routers in the tor process to prevent that |
| 20:11.15 | blast007 | still can't necessarily track down a hacker |
| 20:11.16 | Aribeth | ahh |
| 20:11.21 | Aribeth | true |
| 20:11.45 | devster | true, but if your a hacker, would you really use something that goes through the government |
| 20:12.12 | blast007 | sure |
| 20:12.18 | Aribeth | NASA was always a hackers dream come true |
| 20:12.23 | blast007 | just use a public machine |
| 20:12.36 | blast007 | or hack into someone else's computer, and run tor there |
| 20:12.43 | Aribeth | yep |
| 20:12.56 | blast007 | hackers rarely hack from their own machine |
| 20:13.03 | devster | i know |
| 20:13.17 | devster | but if you can already use someone elses machine, why use a system that could be logging where things go? |
| 20:13.37 | blast007 | cuz it's difficult to log :) |
| 20:14.05 | devster | nah its not |
| 20:14.12 | Aribeth | and its a big prize for a hacker to use gov computers |
| 20:14.25 | Aribeth | i used to work for NASA |
| 20:14.44 | devster | yea use government computers is different from using a system created by governments |
| 20:14.57 | blast007 | ./launch_nuke.sh |
| 20:15.23 | blast007 | Are you sure? (y/n) y |
| 20:16.36 | Aribeth | there are some hacking incedents at NASA that i cant talk about enven though i dont work there any more |
| 20:17.22 | Aribeth | sufice to say they were bad |
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| 20:18.17 | ruskie | _Manu_, why fix it :) |
| 20:18.22 | ruskie | tons of ppl learned already how to get it |
| 20:18.37 | ruskie | and it acctually requires teamwork |
| 20:21.09 | _Manu_ | tons of ppl.. heh, nice try |
| 20:21.18 | _Manu_ | I told you, it's a design bug |
| 20:21.38 | _Manu_ | because it was designed with bzedit almost two years ago |
| 20:22.08 | trepan | which map? |
| 20:22.12 | _Manu_ | viper |
| 20:22.32 | _Manu_ | ruskie, now I'll fix your OO cheat |
| 20:22.40 | _Manu_ | mean trick ;) |
| 20:22.51 | ruskie | it's not a cheat |
| 20:22.52 | ruskie | but ok |
| 20:23.05 | _Manu_ | it's also a bug ;) |
| 20:23.06 | ruskie | trepan, viper has a ton of little tricks |
| 20:23.34 | ruskie | oo shooting out of a wall :) |
| 20:24.28 | gsnedders | _Manu_... don't fix the OO bug! |
| 20:24.43 | _Manu_ | but it's annoying.. a tanks shooting inside a mesh |
| 20:24.51 | gsnedders | die! |
| 20:24.52 | gsnedders | :) |
| 20:25.10 | ruskie | lol |
| 20:25.21 | ruskie | well he'll have to fix 3 OO bugs :) |
| 20:25.26 | ruskie | since there are 3 |
| 20:25.29 | gsnedders | eh? |
| 20:25.33 | ruskie | 3 for each half of thre map |
| 20:25.36 | gsnedders | i can only think of one :P |
| 20:25.44 | ruskie | I know 2 more :) |
| 20:25.52 | _Manu_ | one fixes for every side ;) |
| 20:25.53 | ruskie | not as good as the one you're thinking of |
| 20:26.04 | ruskie | but it can be done :) |
| 20:26.11 | ruskie | though you're a little easier to hit |
| 20:26.34 | _Manu_ | at the others I know you are really easy to kill |
| 20:26.35 | gsnedders | like jumping on the tele? |
| 20:26.44 | gsnedders | inside a building |
| 20:26.45 | ruskie | no |
| 20:26.49 | gsnedders | or is that a BZflag bug? |
| 20:26.50 | ruskie | pyramids around the bases |
| 20:27.01 | gsnedders | ah |
| 20:28.26 | ruskie | the little ledge for the flag though that's just evil to remove :( |
| 20:28.29 | _Manu_ | the pyramids are so tiny than you can shoot inside it |
| 20:28.35 | _Manu_ | but also can get killed |
| 20:28.39 | gsnedders | lol |
| 20:28.54 | _Manu_ | valid for every small object |
| 20:29.16 | gsnedders | any plans to remove the bug where you can jump with OO inside a building? |
| 20:29.18 | ruskie | _Manu_, I've been playing today and a lot of ppl managed to grab the falg from there |
| 20:29.27 | ruskie | slide even managed to get it before getting shot at |
| 20:29.28 | _Manu_ | yes I know |
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| 20:29.47 | ruskie | I was like WTF :) |
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| 20:29.55 | ruskie | he alligned before jumping on base |
| 20:30.02 | ruskie | then jsut a quick jump to the ledge |
| 20:30.13 | ruskie | while it takes me like 1 minute to allign and jump |
| 20:30.21 | silverfox | ~ToughShooter |
| 20:30.22 | ibot | toughshooter is probably horribly confused most of the time |
| 20:30.23 | ruskie | and even then I pass it 3/4 times |
| 20:30.23 | gsnedders | :) |
| 20:30.27 | _Manu_ | yes I know it.. I saw it earlier you play bzflag ;) |
| 20:30.30 | gsnedders | ruskie, you suck :) |
| 20:30.42 | silverfox | ~seen ToughShooter |
| 20:30.43 | ibot | toughshooter <n=ts@p54B04210.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 3h 37m 41s ago, saying: 'are you using debian or ubuntu?'. |
| 20:30.46 | ruskie | gsnedders, I planted it there twice in a row without a pass... :) |
| 20:30.48 | _Manu_ | but not fixed because nobody knew it |
| 20:32.23 | _Manu_ | for the OO probably I'll add an inside |
| 20:32.31 | _Manu_ | still thinking |
| 20:33.25 | ruskie | and that little ledge is going? |
| 20:33.41 | ruskie | just save a copy of the map with all these bugs somewhere please... :) |
| 20:34.15 | ruskie | and while you're at it the tower with the cone could use a makeover... |
| 20:34.21 | _Manu_ | I use it.. and diff to see my changes |
| 20:36.06 | silverfox | so, if bzfs doesn't run (because it doesn't like the command line options, or the world), does it exit with an error? If so, does anyone have a shell script that looks at the errorlevel after bzfs exits? |
| 20:36.40 | RPG_ | silverfox: was that because my wiki map screwed things up? |
| 20:47.43 | trepan | silverfox: didn't i give ya some examples for picking off the return code? |
| 20:47.52 | trepan | ... or was that someone else? |
| 20:50.05 | brlcad | ret=$? ; if [ $ret -eq 0 ] ; then echo woot ; else echo boo..hiss ; fi |
| 20:54.48 | ruskie | or if [ "$?" == "0" ] ; then... |
| 20:55.28 | brlcad | you'll want to stash it if you plan on checking various values, otherwise you'll want a case |
| 20:55.46 | ruskie | or you can simply do command && command2 if you want it to exectue after 0 or command || command2 to execute if return != 0 |
| 20:56.01 | ruskie | I think |
| 21:00.10 | ruskie | http://www.pckeyboard.com/images/blkSilver122.jpg <-- my dream keyboard |
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| 21:16.11 | RPG_ | ~weather KORD |
| 21:24.07 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03trepan 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (CmdLineOptions.cxx FlagInfo.cxx commands.cxx): |
| 21:24.07 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: - improve '/flag show' formatting |
| 21:24.07 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: - initialize FlagInfo 'required' |
| 21:24.07 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: - get rid of those extraneous Flags::Null (existed in 2.0.4) |
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| 21:41.10 | Roxport | is there a way to get bzadmin to beep if someone logs in/out of my server? |
| 21:41.29 | RPG_ | nope |
| 21:41.40 | Roxport | you're kidding, right? :) |
| 21:41.48 | RPG_ | nope :) |
| 21:41.50 | Roxport | surely it's possible... |
| 21:41.59 | RPG_ | well, it's possible, it's just not in the code now |
| 21:42.03 | CBG | It's not impossible, but I would bet its very difficult. |
| 21:42.05 | Roxport | oh, ok |
| 21:42.13 | RPG_ | you'd have to add it to the code yourself |
| 21:42.15 | JeffM2501 | it woudl not be that hard |
| 21:42.17 | trepan | CBG: wrong |
| 21:42.29 | CBG | I was only betting. :) |
| 21:42.38 | CBG | So I guess I'm a poorer man now. :( |
| 21:42.44 | Roxport | all bets off then |
| 21:42.46 | Roxport | ;) |
| 21:42.53 | JeffM2501 | 28quid |
| 21:42.55 | CBG | Thanks, ;) |
| 21:43.04 | CBG | I didn't specify a figure, JeffM2501 :P |
| 21:43.10 | JeffM2501 | I did |
| 21:43.15 | RPG_ | ~karma CBG |
| 21:43.15 | ibot | cbg has karma of 4 |
| 21:43.41 | CBG | Hmm, ibot missed out a - , surely...? |
| 21:44.33 | RPG_ | "and you can $_POST that" |
| 21:45.29 | JeffM2501 | you people are wierd |
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| 23:16.43 | menotume | Interesting ... I just got a 'global login approved', followed quickly by 'token rejected'. When i tried to reconnect, client crashed |
| 23:20.10 | blast007 | what server? |
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| 23:47.51 | menotume | blast007: dub:59999 |
| 23:51.12 | blast007 | was it just a random occurance? |
| 23:58.13 | menotume | yep |
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| 23:59.28 | menotume | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:59.35 | Logwad | Wish my computer worked, my hard drive is dead. :\ |
