| 00:00.37 | Teppic | Other than the fogColour , but I may have bad syntax. |
| 00:36.29 | Ice_Wewe | Wow, I can see why people don't use Wings3D for everything, I just made a fuel tank for the space shuttle, and its 19MB (WOW!) |
| 00:36.41 | Ice_Wewe | lets see how long it takes BZFS to process that |
| 00:36.57 | JeffM2501 | that would be because you don't know how to model for RT games |
| 00:37.12 | JeffM2501 | how many segements in your cyinders and spheres? |
| 00:37.27 | Thumper_ | trepan: what shot/tele issue? |
| 00:37.44 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: 100352 polygons, 2000704 edges, 100362 vertices |
| 00:37.47 | Thumper_ | there's a 'weird' effect with shots thru teleporters on tuxee |
| 00:37.52 | JeffM2501 | yeah that would be way too many |
| 00:38.15 | Thumper_ | straight shots thru get teleported but shots that bounce off the outside walls first go straight thru the teleporter as if it wasn't there |
| 00:38.34 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, learn how to use the modeler and set it's teselation paramaters so it's not so big |
| 00:38.41 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: and I thought 450KB was to big for people to use... |
| 00:38.48 | JeffM2501 | it is |
| 00:38.54 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: ok... that is in the preferences? |
| 00:38.58 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 00:39.03 | JeffM2501 | it would be when you made the object |
| 00:39.15 | JeffM2501 | the program didn't do it, you told it to make the object with that many faces |
| 00:39.25 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: right, but what if I want it really smooth? |
| 00:39.32 | JeffM2501 | did you start with a primitive? like a cylinder? |
| 00:39.34 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, then you make your normals right |
| 00:39.39 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: acutally several, and a couple cones |
| 00:39.43 | JeffM2501 | there are more ways to make things smooth then just adding faces |
| 00:39.50 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: like? |
| 00:39.51 | JeffM2501 | you have to ballance it |
| 00:40.01 | JeffM2501 | blending your normals |
| 00:40.09 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: good idea |
| 00:40.39 | JeffM2501 | an idiot in any modeler could abbuse the features to make big unwieldy models |
| 00:40.48 | JeffM2501 | it's not the fualt of the program |
| 00:42.27 | trepan | Thumper_: cods showed me that bug before |
| 00:42.41 | Thumper_ | ok. wasn't sure you'd heard about it |
| 00:45.32 | blast007 | I've used that bug to kill people before ;) |
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| 00:58.53 | SportChick | hi molez |
| 01:01.04 | Ice_Wewe | Where is the webpage on making an esclator? (in bzflag) |
| 01:01.18 | Ice_Wewe | it also had object shift... |
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| 01:04.22 | Ice_Wewe | hey Aribeth |
| 01:04.39 | Aribeth | hi |
| 01:04.43 | JeffM2501 | my.bzflag.org |
| 01:04.54 | Aribeth | orchid ping |
| 01:05.29 | orchid | hi Aribeth |
| 01:05.32 | Aribeth | hi |
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| 01:40.49 | longhair | Hi there, I'm still trying to get to the bottom of that connection problem that pyr0 mentioned earlier today |
| 01:41.42 | longhair | I have a bunch of people who can connect to my little server just fine, and two households that can't connect at all, and one who can connect with his desktop comp, but not his laptop |
| 01:42.36 | blast007 | what OS are you running the server on? |
| 01:42.44 | longhair | Ubuntu Linux |
| 01:42.59 | longhair | 2.0.5.20051022 |
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| 01:43.25 | longhair | is the server version |
| 01:43.29 | blast007 | k, so that rules out the possible "XP connection limit" theory |
| 01:43.32 | longhair | yup |
| 01:43.48 | longhair | I'm not requiring udp, either |
| 01:43.55 | blast007 | could still be a wacky router though ;) |
| 01:44.02 | devster | i guess you checked firewalls? |
| 01:44.07 | longhair | yep |
| 01:44.19 | devster | and tracert/traceroute ? |
| 01:44.44 | longhair | hmmm, how does one go about tracing? |
| 01:44.49 | Grumbler | UDP is a red herring |
| 01:45.24 | Grumbler | surprized that switch has not been yanked yet |
| 01:45.24 | devster | windows: start, run, type cmd, then type tracert ip_of_server |
| 01:45.33 | longhair | ya |
| 01:45.48 | blast007 | have the people that can't connect try that |
| 01:46.02 | longhair | ah, ok |
| 01:46.17 | blast007 | see if any hops have a high ping time, or get a * instead of a ping time (timeout) |
| 01:46.50 | Grumbler | i assume you are having them connect using ip address and not a domain name |
| 01:47.03 | longhair | yes, rb2 tried it both ways |
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| 01:47.37 | Grumbler | yep, trace the route |
| 01:47.51 | longhair | that's something that they need to do, right? |
| 01:47.56 | blast007 | yup |
| 01:48.03 | Grumbler | yep |
| 01:48.08 | longhair | anything else I could check on my end? |
| 01:48.39 | JeffM2501 | from what it sounded like you have a funky router or something that is blocking the raw socket |
| 01:48.47 | devster | you could do a tracert to them, may not show anything up though |
| 01:49.05 | longhair | devster: unless they had a server of their own running? |
| 01:49.10 | blast007 | could also have the people: telnet <server ip> <server port> |
| 01:49.25 | blast007 | and see if they get a BZFS00xx back |
| 01:49.36 | devster | longhair: well you may take a different route to them, than they take to you |
| 01:49.40 | blast007 | then they can just CTRL+] out of it |
| 01:49.41 | Grumbler | you could get two soup cans and a really long string |
| 01:49.47 | blast007 | hehe |
| 01:49.50 | longhair | lol |
| 01:50.03 | blast007 | "Can you hear me now?" |
| 01:50.08 | longhair | I could describe what is happening over teamspeak :) |
| 01:50.27 | orchid | longhair: are you playing on the same machine your hosting on? connected to the same game? |
| 01:50.30 | devster | just setup local servers, and move everyone via grid reference over ts :P |
| 01:50.36 | Grumbler | "yes, but your breath smells like day old New England Clam Chowder" |
| 01:50.50 | longhair | JeffM2501: is raw socket blocking something that I would have set wrong, or is it a symptom of a bad router? |
| 01:51.12 | longhair | devster: no, it's dedicated to running bzfs, I run my client on another machine |
| 01:51.27 | longhair | orchid, rather :) |
| 01:56.29 | longhair | thanks for the trace lead, hopefully that will give some clues |
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| 01:56.47 | bz7586 | can anyone tell me what the pixel to bzw convertion rate is |
| 01:57.24 | blast007 | JeffM2501: I figured out how to set the header image of the installer (with the icon) |
| 01:57.43 | blast007 | any suggestions of what to put there? I have the background duplicated now |
| 01:58.12 | bz7586 | anyhelp on what the pixel to bzw convertion is |
| 01:58.14 | trepan | bz7586: bzw units are meters, based on some default dimensions |
| 01:58.22 | bz7586 | ok |
| 01:58.23 | trepan | also, you don't seem to know what you are talking about |
| 01:58.32 | bz7586 | excuse me? |
| 01:58.43 | trepan | define pixel |
| 01:58.58 | bz7586 | if i make an image that is 500x200 pixels what would i have to make a box in BZFLAG to make it the same size |
| 01:59.08 | bz7586 | pixel is the units that make up an image |
| 01:59.18 | bz7586 | or dots on screen |
| 01:59.32 | trepan | right, and those dot size vary depending on your viewing position |
| 01:59.38 | trepan | s/size/sizes |
| 01:59.39 | bz7586 | 1024x786 is my res (pixels) |
| 01:59.51 | JeffM2501 | blast007, cool |
| 02:00.00 | bz7586 | yah, but then doesn't bzw kinda like scale it all |
| 02:00.01 | JeffM2501 | I say do a bg image, with a mini tank icon |
| 02:00.03 | bz7586 | caz diff size screen |
| 02:00.10 | trepan | the point is that there is no 'one' pixel -> bzw unit conversion rate |
| 02:00.14 | JeffM2501 | I can get you one tomorow |
| 02:00.20 | blast007 | k |
| 02:00.44 | bz7586 | i see, what would it be for the Highly Used 1024x786? |
| 02:01.02 | bz7586 | that makes sense, just wasn't sure |
| 02:01.29 | trepan | where are you viewing from? from what angle? |
| 02:01.40 | trepan | it'll vary across your surface if skewed |
| 02:01.43 | bz7586 | 90 degrees (head on) |
| 02:01.53 | bz7586 | perpendicular |
| 02:02.00 | bz7586 | sry for spelling |
| 02:02.17 | trepan | bz7586: let's try this... what are you trying to do? |
| 02:02.27 | JeffM2501 | how tall do you want the box relative to the player |
| 02:02.36 | JeffM2501 | pixels mean nothing in the 3d world |
| 02:02.42 | bz7586 | make an image as a texture not stretch but normal size on a box |
| 02:02.53 | JeffM2501 | how tall do you want the box? |
| 02:03.02 | bz7586 | also i wrote some code that changes images into bzw data and want to know what my scale factor should be |
| 02:03.10 | bz7586 | box size: same as image |
| 02:03.19 | JeffM2501 | you don't get it |
| 02:03.21 | bz7586 | say 200 pixels |
| 02:03.23 | trepan | bz7586: just make the box and image edge length ratios match |
| 02:03.29 | JeffM2501 | there are no pixels in the 3d world |
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| 02:03.34 | trepan | and use 'texsize 1 1 1 1' |
| 02:03.39 | bz7586 | i now he explained that Jeff |
| 02:03.42 | trepan | (assuming meshboxes) |
| 02:03.46 | JeffM2501 | then why are you still saying pixels? |
| 02:03.57 | bz7586 | caz i don't know what else to say |
| 02:04.07 | bz7586 | or thanks trepan |
| 02:04.12 | bz7586 | thats what i looking for |
| 02:04.20 | JeffM2501 | I can make a box that is 2 units high 5 units wide and it wont' stech it |
| 02:04.28 | JeffM2501 | or you can make it 20x50 |
| 02:04.32 | JeffM2501 | or any factor |
| 02:04.40 | bz7586 | see never explained texsize ANYWHERE |
| 02:04.45 | bz7586 | and noone responds on forum |
| 02:04.50 | JeffM2501 | yes they do |
| 02:04.51 | bz7586 | so thats what i needed to know |
| 02:05.01 | bz7586 | where, i looked |
| 02:05.09 | JeffM2501 | when did you post on it? |
| 02:05.32 | bz7586 | someone else did and i agreed with them and also asked for help in their post |
| 02:05.39 | bz7586 | some time ago, not sure when |
| 02:05.48 | bz7586 | i can get u the link if u would like |
| 02:05.59 | JeffM2501 | are you "person1" ? |
| 02:06.10 | trepan | i see a 'Pixel to bzw Conversion' topic, but as that makes no sense, i disregarded it |
| 02:06.10 | bz7586 | YAH! |
| 02:06.16 | bz7586 | ok |
| 02:06.30 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 02:06.34 | JeffM2501 | you don't know what you are talking about |
| 02:06.40 | bz7586 | ty |
| 02:06.41 | JeffM2501 | you need to learn more about 3d |
| 02:06.43 | bz7586 | lol |
| 02:06.59 | bz7586 | texsize sounds like it will work |
| 02:07.03 | bz7586 | thats all i wantted to know |
| 02:07.06 | trepan | texsize, meshboxes, etc... suck, learn a modeller :) |
| 02:07.23 | bz7586 | what will a modeller do for images |
| 02:07.29 | trepan | you'll thank me if you get the basics down |
| 02:07.36 | bz7586 | blast007 thank you for that |
| 02:07.37 | trepan | most modeller's can do texture mapping |
| 02:07.43 | JeffM2501 | in the 3d world an image can't exist with out geometry behind it |
| 02:07.51 | JeffM2501 | the geometry has the UV maping for the texture |
| 02:07.57 | JeffM2501 | so it has EVERYTYHING to do with images |
| 02:08.03 | trepan | texture mapping defines how an image is wrapped around a 3d object |
| 02:08.15 | JeffM2501 | or pasted on it for a flat plane |
| 02:08.16 | bz7586 | ok thats helpful |
| 02:08.34 | JeffM2501 | your pixel question makes no sense, because how tall is a tank in pixels? |
| 02:08.39 | bz7586 | i see that |
| 02:08.51 | JeffM2501 | it's all 3d math |
| 02:08.53 | bz7586 | depends on angle and resolution right? |
| 02:08.58 | JeffM2501 | and distance |
| 02:09.01 | bz7586 | yah |
| 02:09.05 | JeffM2501 | it's basicly pointless |
| 02:09.05 | bz7586 | ok i get it know |
| 02:09.16 | JeffM2501 | you define all things in real world units |
| 02:09.17 | bz7586 | so i really need to learn modeler |
| 02:09.25 | JeffM2501 | you need to learn about 3d in general |
| 02:09.29 | JeffM2501 | and yes a modeler would help |
| 02:09.33 | bz7586 | any suggestions? |
| 02:09.39 | JeffM2501 | google |
| 02:09.43 | bz7586 | AH ok |
| 02:09.46 | bz7586 | sounds good |
| 02:10.12 | bz7586 | i will have to do some reading in my spare time |
| 02:10.23 | bz7586 | as well as figuring out the modeler... |
| 02:10.57 | bz7586 | last time i was completing a tutorial, but i didn't have the items in the menu that it mentions (i checked I had lattest version, so i am confused) |
| 02:11.11 | bz7586 | thanks for time all |
| 02:11.23 | bz7586 | u can delete my post |
| 02:11.33 | JeffM2501 | who is "u" ? |
| 02:11.33 | bz7586 | g2g shows on |
| 02:11.41 | JeffM2501 | tivo |
| 02:11.45 | JeffM2501 | it's all about the tivo |
| 02:11.45 | bz7586 | JeffM2501 if you want to |
| 02:11.53 | JeffM2501 | me? |
| 02:11.56 | JeffM2501 | I have a tivo |
| 02:12.01 | JeffM2501 | the box does not rule my life |
| 02:12.01 | bz7586 | ok then |
| 02:12.05 | bz7586 | tivo |
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| 02:17.37 | SilentSwan | *boo* |
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| 02:18.21 | Aribeth | scream scream |
| 02:18.28 | SilentSwan | and how are you this evening? |
| 02:18.39 | Aribeth | i've been better |
| 02:18.44 | SilentSwan | ah... |
| 02:18.48 | SilentSwan | know the feeling |
| 02:18.55 | SilentSwan | i decided to go ahead and do this interview tomorrow |
| 02:19.01 | SilentSwan | i've nothing to lose and maybe something to gain |
| 02:19.02 | Aribeth | had to reinstall the nvidia driver then fix the modeline |
| 02:19.13 | Aribeth | ahh |
| 02:19.17 | SilentSwan | what happened to it? |
| 02:19.29 | Aribeth | had to modify the mode line |
| 02:19.37 | SilentSwan | oh |
| 02:19.41 | Aribeth | i did a big update in gentoo |
| 02:19.46 | SilentSwan | mine does not appear to use a mode line |
| 02:19.55 | Aribeth | so i figured some things were broked |
| 02:19.56 | SilentSwan | i was rather perplexed by that |
| 02:20.09 | SilentSwan | how often do you update? |
| 02:20.10 | Aribeth | i have a dell 24 inch LCD |
| 02:20.18 | Aribeth | 1920x1200 res |
| 02:20.29 | SilentSwan | what's the response time on that? |
| 02:20.30 | Aribeth | first time |
| 02:20.35 | Aribeth | 12 ms |
| 02:20.40 | SilentSwan | ooh.. i want one |
| 02:20.43 | SilentSwan | waht's the model #? |
| 02:20.51 | SilentSwan | that's *exactly* what i'm looking for |
| 02:20.57 | Aribeth | FPW1920 i think |
| 02:21.09 | Aribeth | 2405FPW |
| 02:21.22 | Aribeth | its nice |
| 02:21.30 | SilentSwan | i like dell screen |
| 02:21.31 | SilentSwan | s |
| 02:21.40 | Aribeth | but it only looks good in 1920x1200 |
| 02:22.05 | SilentSwan | yeah, i need high-res |
| 02:22.19 | Aribeth | its crisp |
| 02:23.01 | SilentSwan | i'll do a little research on it to see if it's worth the $... i'm wary of LCD's when it comes to colour balance and contrast (I do photo editing) |
| 02:23.06 | Aribeth | and it has VGA, DVI, SVideo, Component, and a 6 in one usb card reader and usb ports |
| 02:23.18 | Aribeth | 1100.00 |
| 02:24.06 | SilentSwan | listed at $959 on dell's site |
| 02:24.10 | SilentSwan | not bad for that |
| 02:24.17 | Aribeth | ahh, its come down |
| 02:24.22 | SilentSwan | considering what Apple charges for the equivalent... and i always wanted one of those |
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| 02:24.55 | Aribeth | yep |
| 02:25.29 | SilentSwan | i fail to see the need for the USB ports |
| 02:26.01 | Aribeth | i use a flash card in a camera for pics of items i sell |
| 02:26.13 | Aribeth | i need to get it working |
| 02:26.32 | SilentSwan | yeah, but... why not just plug into the computer? :) |
| 02:27.04 | Aribeth | i have to use my laptop right now to download the pics |
| 02:27.25 | SilentSwan | oh? hmm |
| 02:27.50 | SilentSwan | what kind of camera? |
| 02:27.52 | Aribeth | no way to use the camera's usb in linux |
| 02:27.57 | Aribeth | cannon |
| 02:28.01 | SilentSwan | oh.. don't tell me that |
| 02:28.06 | SilentSwan | see.. |
| 02:28.10 | SilentSwan | this is why i need to keep the apple |
| 02:28.24 | SilentSwan | linux is useless as far as photo-editing and camera support goes |
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| 02:28.31 | Aribeth | yep |
| 02:29.03 | Aribeth | thats why i use a flash card pcmcia adapter on my lapy. works great |
| 02:29.22 | Aribeth | just need to get the one in the monitor working |
| 02:29.49 | SilentSwan | hmm.. i'll see if dell has an equiv. monitor sans the USB stuff since i really don't need all that |
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| 02:31.10 | SilentSwan | *sigh* nope |
| 02:31.17 | RPG_ | me neither |
| 02:31.18 | SilentSwan | hi RPG_ |
| 02:31.21 | RPG_ | hi |
| 02:31.56 | SilentSwan | i once tried to learn RPG programming |
| 02:32.04 | Aribeth | eek |
| 02:32.06 | SilentSwan | yeah |
| 02:32.25 | RPG_ | i just cheated and used a game making program |
| 02:32.43 | SilentSwan | RPG is a programming language used on IBM midrange computers (AS/400, etc...) |
| 02:33.07 | blast007 | Aribeth: does the camera have a PTP mode? |
| 02:33.08 | RPG_ | http://www.garrettsites.net/index.php?page=8 <---- |
| 02:33.09 | RPG_ | oh |
| 02:33.11 | blast007 | http://ptp.sourceforge.net/ |
| 02:33.15 | SilentSwan | for the most part, it's pretty useless unless you plan on generating reports |
| 02:33.17 | Aribeth | duno |
| 02:33.29 | SilentSwan | most better ones do |
| 02:33.35 | SilentSwan | what model cannon? |
| 02:34.01 | blast007 | hrm..the cannon PTP extension page gives a 404 ;) |
| 02:34.12 | Aribeth | non-usb |
| 02:34.31 | SilentSwan | hmm... nikon support |
| 02:34.35 | SilentSwan | broken link |
| 02:34.46 | Thumper_ | Aribeth: is it just a memory stick type card? |
| 02:34.56 | Aribeth | ya, a flash card |
| 02:35.05 | Thumper_ | can't you just stick it in a USB adapter? |
| 02:35.11 | Thumper_ | (if you had one) |
| 02:35.14 | Thumper_ | and read it in linux? |
| 02:35.20 | Aribeth | i just need to get my monitor's flash card thingie worling |
| 02:35.30 | Aribeth | yes i can |
| 02:35.37 | RPG_ | monitor + flash reader? |
| 02:35.46 | Aribeth | i have a pcmcia adapter for my laptop |
| 02:35.49 | Aribeth | yes |
| 02:35.57 | Aribeth | dell 2405FPW |
| 02:36.25 | Aribeth | its just a pain to download pics via the network |
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| 02:39.09 | SilentSwan | *sigh* i just discovered GIMP cannot even handle 16-bit tiff images |
| 02:39.24 | Aribeth | eek |
| 02:39.34 | RPG_ | "cannot even handle" seems to mean you've been having a bad time with it? |
| 02:39.41 | SilentSwan | haha |
| 02:39.44 | JeffM2501 | gimp blows |
| 02:39.47 | SilentSwan | let's just say, i need photoshop |
| 02:39.58 | Aribeth | yuck |
| 02:40.01 | SilentSwan | that's the ONLY reason i'm keeping this crApple product |
| 02:40.04 | Aribeth | photoshop |
| 02:40.08 | SilentSwan | i like it |
| 02:40.17 | RPG_ | one of my friends could drop a CD of Jasc Paint Shop Pro in a specified location :) |
| 02:40.17 | Aribeth | i like the gimp |
| 02:40.26 | SilentSwan | gimp is ok for basics |
| 02:40.29 | JeffM2501 | it is not the worst app in the world |
| 02:40.36 | JeffM2501 | but yes, it is no photoshop |
| 02:40.42 | Aribeth | true |
| 02:40.43 | JeffM2501 | and won't be for a year or so |
| 02:40.45 | blast007 | I still need to get Photoshop 7 working in Wine :) |
| 02:40.54 | blast007 | then I'm all set |
| 02:41.07 | Aribeth | i need to get wine working |
| 02:41.19 | Aribeth | hasnt worked for some time |
| 02:41.20 | SilentSwan | blast007: i havn't tired... if i could get cs2 working in wine, i'd be ecstatic |
| 02:41.32 | SilentSwan | most of what i've tried running in wine barely works |
| 02:41.40 | blast007 | usually need DLLs |
| 02:41.51 | blast007 | it will say it can't load certain things in the console |
| 02:42.06 | blast007 | so you just track down the files on a windows box |
| 02:42.18 | JeffM2501 | gimp just recently started to understand that the interface of the image editor is more important then how many filers you have |
| 02:43.27 | JeffM2501 | I belive that within the next 3 years gimp will be the core of a very good design app, but not with the current gimp interface, somone will fork or something |
| 02:43.41 | trepan | JeffM2501: takes more work to redo an interface then to tack on filters |
| 02:43.51 | JeffM2501 | yes it does |
| 02:44.06 | JeffM2501 | also adds a lot more to the usefullness in a graphic designers eyes |
| 02:44.21 | trepan | understanding doesn't necessarily bring about action, as I'm sure you'll agree :) |
| 02:44.25 | JeffM2501 | gimp was run by imaging eggheads, |
| 02:44.28 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 02:44.31 | SilentSwan | JeffM2501: indeed... and my argument is that for gimp to become acceptable, it needs to imitate the big boys somewhat |
| 02:44.33 | SilentSwan | ie: photoshop |
| 02:44.40 | JeffM2501 | the current gimp interface is much better then the old one |
| 02:44.44 | JeffM2501 | they are workging toward it |
| 02:44.45 | RPG_ | it already does that in filters + layers |
| 02:44.59 | JeffM2501 | SilentSwan, there is a project to give gimp PS looks |
| 02:45.02 | SilentSwan | then they've got a looooooooooooong way to go |
| 02:45.06 | JeffM2501 | and it's turing out to be VERY popular |
| 02:45.12 | JeffM2501 | and very usefull |
| 02:45.20 | JeffM2501 | that is why I think gimp will be the imaging core |
| 02:45.24 | JeffM2501 | on somone else's interface |
| 02:46.05 | JeffM2501 | consistency in interface is one of linuxs big flaws now I feel |
| 02:46.11 | SilentSwan | http://www.subvariance.com/?gallery=SilentSwan |
| 02:46.28 | SilentSwan | what i need is a good scanner that can handle medium format and large format slides/negs |
| 02:46.39 | SilentSwan | i've so much on film and i simply HATE using digital... |
| 02:46.56 | SilentSwan | except for storage |
| 02:47.07 | JeffM2501 | I need a 5 foot 6 redhead with glasses who likes to read, and sit in the park on sunny days |
| 02:47.09 | RPG_ | in that pic of the person standing at the end of the road.... did that person agree to be photographed? |
| 02:47.13 | SilentSwan | haha |
| 02:47.21 | SilentSwan | RPG_: nope :) no model release |
| 02:47.33 | RPG_ | so you kinda stole her? |
| 02:47.37 | SilentSwan | yeah |
| 02:47.52 | SilentSwan | it would matter if her face were visible haha |
| 02:47.57 | SilentSwan | brb |
| 02:50.03 | JeffM2501 | gimpshop, that's what it was called |
| 02:50.30 | RPG_ | http://www.gimpshop.net/ |
| 02:51.29 | JeffM2501 | hmm how many mmogs can I update at the same time :) |
| 02:52.38 | SilentSwan | http://www.adorama.com/LF108.html |
| 02:52.48 | SilentSwan | i'll send you my addr - have it shipped there please :) |
| 02:53.31 | SilentSwan | nice that it can use 120/220 roll film in addition to sheet film |
| 02:53.34 | SilentSwan | *drool* |
| 02:54.02 | RPG_ | looks like an old people camera |
| 02:54.10 | SilentSwan | jeez |
| 02:54.10 | SilentSwan | hehe |
| 02:54.24 | SilentSwan | that's one of the best cameras you can hope to find |
| 02:54.34 | trepan | anyone know which systems don't have 'isnan()' |
| 02:54.37 | JeffM2501 | you'd be suprised how much instrustry uses those RPG_ |
| 02:55.00 | SilentSwan | try doing architectural photos with a 35mm |
| 02:55.08 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 02:55.09 | SilentSwan | no swings/tilts |
| 02:55.13 | JeffM2501 | anything with detail |
| 02:55.28 | RPG_ | they're selling a $37,700 camera lense of Froggle |
| 02:55.30 | SilentSwan | with 4x5 or larger, you can just make contact prints hehe |
| 02:55.33 | RPG_ | *on froggle |
| 02:55.37 | RPG_ | froogle |
| 02:56.09 | SilentSwan | to me, digital and 35mm SLR type cameras are clumsy and hard to focus |
| 02:56.27 | JeffM2501 | depends on what you are taking a picture of :) |
| 02:56.44 | SilentSwan | i don't do "action" shots... so i am perfectly willing to spend 15min. setting up a shot :) |
| 02:56.58 | Aribeth | a Nikon D100 would be nice |
| 02:57.04 | SilentSwan | yuck |
| 02:57.06 | SilentSwan | overpriced |
| 02:57.08 | SilentSwan | get a D70 |
| 02:57.23 | SilentSwan | http://www.epinions.com/content_97127599748 <- have one of these and i love it |
| 02:57.54 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03trepan 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/ (bzfs/bzfs.cxx bzflag/CommandsImplementation.cxx): |
| 02:57.54 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: DEVNOTE: using "isnan()", a C99 function (if you don't have it, make it) |
| 02:57.54 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: - allow observers to send their state information (/roampos send), and |
| 02:57.54 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: adjust bzfs to use it a little better (although it is not yet relayed) |
| 02:58.02 | RPG_ | my image of an expensive camera is a really big lens, with a really big end section |
| 02:58.07 | RPG_ | guess i should get out more |
| 02:58.09 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, with a view camera you get a lot more options for your shot, they are used when you have to get the picture right, and need max detail |
| 02:58.16 | JeffM2501 | the large negative holds more info |
| 02:58.39 | Aribeth | heh, $610.00 |
| 02:58.41 | SilentSwan | i had a toyo 4x5 view cam... it was nice, but the adjustments weren't very smooth... i ended up returning it |
| 02:59.28 | SilentSwan | Linhof or death |
| 02:59.35 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, pros allmost allways use large format media, you know in movies when the model photographer uses the camarea that you look DOWN into? |
| 02:59.48 | JeffM2501 | that is not a 35mm |
| 03:00.13 | SilentSwan | usually, you look DOWN into a medium format, like the rb67 |
| 03:00.22 | SilentSwan | large format uses a large ground-glass focusing screen |
| 03:00.25 | SilentSwan | on the rear |
| 03:00.28 | JeffM2501 | well by large I meant not 35 :) |
| 03:00.31 | SilentSwan | ah :) |
| 03:00.35 | JeffM2501 | for his little mind :) |
| 03:00.45 | JeffM2501 | to him "small format" may be 110 |
| 03:01.03 | RPG_ | a camera is a camera to me :) |
| 03:01.13 | Aribeth | not to me |
| 03:01.21 | JeffM2501 | I could crap on film and get a better res then 110 |
| 03:01.45 | Aribeth | 35mm iso 200 is good film |
| 03:01.58 | SilentSwan | i wanted a hasselblad 501CM, but i got the RB67ProS instead... the lenses are equal quality, the RB produces a larger negative (6x7 instead of 6x6 - ideal portrait format) and the price is so much lower |
| 03:02.03 | SilentSwan | Aribeth: ISO 50 :) |
| 03:02.09 | SilentSwan | <- does it slow |
| 03:02.30 | Aribeth | if you are doing stills yes |
| 03:02.36 | longhair | there's a reason they call them HASSLEblads |
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| 03:02.42 | SilentSwan | which is about 99.9 percent of what i do |
| 03:02.49 | Aribeth | if your doing moving things then 400 is good |
| 03:02.52 | SilentSwan | longhair: oh, don't ge me wrong, i LOVE the feel of the 501cm |
| 03:02.56 | SilentSwan | it's a beautiful camera |
| 03:03.06 | JeffM2501 | joy 20 min more of patching CoH, 7 hours for SWG :( |
| 03:03.15 | longhair | just don't let your assistant uncock the lens before you put it on the body |
| 03:03.16 | SilentSwan | and a joy compared to my big heavy rb67... |
| 03:03.21 | SilentSwan | hahaha |
| 03:03.22 | SilentSwan | yeah |
| 03:03.32 | longhair | you know what I mean :) |
| 03:03.46 | SilentSwan | true of many med. format cameras... RB67 included |
| 03:04.22 | JeffM2501 | SilentSwan, you should just tell rpg that php and asp are the same to you :) |
| 03:04.28 | SilentSwan | haha |
| 03:04.33 | SilentSwan | ouch |
| 03:04.52 | SilentSwan | sorry, in addition to being a computer geek, i'm also a camera and music geek |
| 03:05.20 | SilentSwan | and i hold equally fierce opinions (stubborn, just like dear old mom) on each |
| 03:05.21 | JeffM2501 | it would be terms he would "get" |
| 03:06.33 | SilentSwan | i want to try daguereotype (did i spell that right?) someday |
| 03:07.19 | JeffM2501 | the camera that is a room? |
| 03:07.26 | SilentSwan | no |
| 03:07.37 | SilentSwan | that's camera obscura |
| 03:07.45 | SilentSwan | http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/daghtml/daghome.html |
| 03:08.21 | SilentSwan | daguerreotype is fixed on a metal plate |
| 03:08.35 | SilentSwan | no negative - it's a one-time shot :) |
| 03:09.04 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 03:09.17 | SilentSwan | Aribeth: i love infrared... such a pain to work with though... |
| 03:09.25 | Aribeth | yep |
| 03:09.34 | Aribeth | but worth it |
| 03:09.36 | SilentSwan | i have a dark-bag (used for loading large format film) that i use with infrared |
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| 03:10.04 | SilentSwan | better site: http://www.daguerre.org/ |
| 03:10.09 | Aribeth | i have my enlarger up for sale with everything |
| 03:10.16 | SilentSwan | what kind? |
| 03:10.46 | SilentSwan | lenses, filters, film holders, etc...? |
| 03:11.28 | Aribeth | beseler 23C II |
| 03:11.34 | SilentSwan | oh |
| 03:11.39 | SilentSwan | no thanks :P |
| 03:11.41 | Aribeth | with the dicro color head |
| 03:12.05 | Aribeth | it a good enlarger |
| 03:12.45 | SilentSwan | i have a thing for durst |
| 03:13.01 | Aribeth | ahh |
| 03:13.29 | SilentSwan | i don't need colour head since i do only b&w |
| 03:13.38 | SilentSwan | if i'm doing colour, i'd just send it to a lab |
| 03:13.47 | Aribeth | ya |
| 03:14.02 | Aribeth | i was takeing classes though |
| 03:14.21 | SilentSwan | have you any work online? |
| 03:14.26 | Aribeth | no |
| 03:15.03 | SilentSwan | i need a scanner so i can get my film in digital format.. i've very little digital stuff.. i only recently (a little over a year ago) started using digital |
| 03:15.11 | SilentSwan | and i regret it |
| 03:15.17 | SilentSwan | <- purist |
| 03:15.18 | SilentSwan | brb |
| 03:15.52 | shorty114 | although i did some traditional developing at my school once |
| 03:16.27 | Aribeth | and digital for normal pics |
| 03:16.53 | JeffM2501 | what about for abnormal pics? |
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| 03:18.44 | Aribeth | heh |
| 03:20.11 | SilentSwan | speaking of abnormal, my friend's here... Michelle says hi, and I say "bye" :) cheers |
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| 03:45.34 | shorty114 | can anyone recommend a good program for ripping CDs on linux? |
| 03:45.40 | shorty114 | preferably GUI |
| 03:46.10 | longhair | I'm using GRIP and Sound Juicer, althought they're a bit slow |
| 03:46.24 | shorty114 | hmm thanks i'll google them |
| 03:46.25 | longhair | both are gui |
| 03:46.32 | longhair | what distro? |
| 03:46.44 | orange | mp3c is gui-ish :-) |
| 03:46.57 | shorty114 | ubuntu, longhair |
| 03:47.15 | shorty114 | orange, well, i said GUI because i want to see what' going on, not just a bunch of text |
| 03:47.29 | orange | what would you see? music bits? |
| 03:47.43 | shorty114 | a list of songs, the progress, etc |
| 03:47.49 | orange | oh, mp3c has that |
| 03:47.53 | orange | just doesn't require X to do it |
| 03:48.15 | shorty114 | can mp3c get CDDB info and automatically fill it in? |
| 03:48.20 | orange | yep |
| 03:48.27 | shorty114 | sweet |
| 03:48.27 | orange | and uses any ripper and encoder you want |
| 03:48.32 | shorty114 | orange++ |
| 03:49.10 | orange | it's really useful if you want to ssh into your machine remotely and rip a cd ;-) |
| 03:49.17 | shorty114 | ooh there's an idea |
| 03:49.35 | longhair | if only you could remotely put the cd in the player.... |
| 03:49.37 | shorty114 | heh yeah |
| 03:49.47 | orange | ring... ring... "hello, hon? Can you please put the next CD in the computer? Thanks!" |
| 03:49.59 | longhair | btw, sound juicer is in the ubuntu repository |
| 03:50.16 | longhair | orange: ah, that's how you do it. nice and low tech |
| 03:50.24 | orange | lol |
| 03:50.27 | shorty114 | haha |
| 03:53.01 | shorty114 | orange, what window manager do you use? |
| 03:54.05 | orange | kde :-/ |
| 03:54.24 | cosmos | 4dwm! |
| 03:54.27 | orange | I don't have time to play with my desktop anymore |
| 03:54.42 | longhair | anybody ever try enlightenment? |
| 03:54.48 | cosmos | orange you must not be living in your parents basement like the rest of the linux kiddies ;) |
| 03:55.00 | longhair | the window manager, not the state of mind... |
| 03:55.03 | shorty114 | longhair, i considered it |
| 03:55.19 | shorty114 | i chose xfce though |
| 03:55.22 | longhair | it's a beauty if you can get it working |
| 03:55.24 | shorty114 | yeah |
| 03:55.27 | shorty114 | that's what i heard |
| 03:55.36 | shorty114 | i've seen some really nice enlightenment desktops |
| 03:55.38 | orange | cosmos: :-) |
| 03:55.43 | shorty114 | like Hawkwind of #xchat |
| 03:56.00 | longhair | I found a yum repository with all the goodies for enlightenment. made installlation a breeze |
| 03:56.24 | shorty114 | yum is... fedora? |
| 03:56.46 | shorty114 | longhair, what distro are you on? |
| 03:57.04 | longhair | Fedora 4 |
| 03:57.19 | longhair | I use Ubuntu for my bzflag server, though |
| 03:57.29 | longhair | just to try something else out... |
| 03:57.48 | shorty114 | my friend (windows user.. pbbst) tried to install gentoo |
| 03:57.53 | shorty114 | i ended up giving him ubuntu |
| 03:58.08 | longhair | ya, ubuntu would be lots easier for a windows guy to get started |
| 03:58.11 | shorty114 | he couldn't get gentoo to work.. didn't even know what a kernel was :) |
| 03:58.21 | BenUrban | haha |
| 03:58.35 | BenUrban | this is how gentoo keeps its user base educated |
| 03:58.43 | longhair | yes, a basic linux education is helpful w/ gentoo, not that I know too much about it personally |
| 03:58.53 | BenUrban | nearly everyone that uses gentoo has installed gentoo |
| 03:59.02 | BenUrban | that means that they know how to administer it |
| 03:59.12 | shorty114 | emerge is a nice concept |
| 03:59.31 | longhair | yes, it is a good one |
| 04:00.34 | shorty114 | i couldn't get gentoo to boot on this computer |
| 04:00.39 | shorty114 | i use this as my crap machine |
| 04:00.42 | shorty114 | my ibook had a hd failure |
| 04:00.48 | longhair | every hacker needs one... |
| 04:00.51 | shorty114 | or at least, it can't boot and is making scratchign noises... |
| 04:00.59 | longhair | not a good sign... |
| 04:01.00 | shorty114 | and the HD's really loud |
| 04:01.09 | shorty114 | yeah, so i figure probably not a good idea to leave it on |
| 04:02.53 | shorty114 | ahhh what's the command for listing your system info? like hard drives, cards, etc? |
| 04:03.41 | longhair | lspci |
| 04:04.01 | longhair | at least it'll list your pci based cards |
| 04:04.14 | shorty114 | ah yes thanks |
| 04:04.18 | longhair | sure |
| 04:04.25 | shorty114 | yesss i've got a 3d Rage |
| 04:04.46 | shorty114 | ATi 3D Rage Pro AGP |
| 04:05.13 | shorty114 | now to figure where the hell to get a driver for somethign this old... |
| 04:05.40 | cosmos | heh, congress to take back the 9/11 money aid given to new york city |
| 04:05.44 | cosmos | fantastic |
| 04:05.49 | longhair | you may have trouble... gl support for the older ati cards is spotty |
| 04:05.59 | shorty114 | ati drivers are crap |
| 04:06.04 | shorty114 | then again, nvidia isn't much better |
| 04:06.14 | shorty114 | at least nvidia is decent |
| 04:06.26 | shorty114 | longhair, http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/ATIMach64?action=highlight&value=CategoryHardware |
| 04:06.27 | longhair | after some hacking, I got nvidia drivers to work, but never tried ati |
| 04:06.30 | shorty114 | that's what i'm looking at |
| 04:06.40 | longhair | ah, heard of that |
| 04:07.09 | shorty114 | 20 bucks i screw up the compilation... |
| 04:07.14 | longhair | hehe |
| 04:08.38 | shorty114 | oh what i have to compile a NEW XServer? |
| 04:09.07 | longhair | ouch |
| 04:09.56 | longhair | how easy it that card to remove? |
| 04:09.56 | shorty114 | physically? |
| 04:09.57 | longhair | yes |
| 04:09.57 | shorty114 | i think it's onboard |
| 04:10.00 | longhair | doh |
| 04:10.01 | shorty114 | well, i have a GUI |
| 04:10.07 | shorty114 | but it's stuck at ~800x600 |
| 04:10.20 | longhair | your screen can handle more? |
| 04:10.25 | shorty114 | and other people have gotten similiar cards up to ~1024x768 |
| 04:10.39 | shorty114 | or i could buy a new computer... |
| 04:11.34 | cosmos | i have to make room for a 512 cpu origin 2000 rack at home heh |
| 04:12.28 | shorty114 | if i get a new computer i'll wipe this one, put minimal gentoo on it, and do a server |
| 04:12.43 | bryjen | now there's a way to beat gas prices for home heating this winter ;) |
| 04:12.55 | cosmos | bryjen i live in LA |
| 04:12.58 | cosmos | i dont need heat |
| 04:13.04 | bryjen | or that |
| 04:13.10 | cosmos | heh |
| 04:13.28 | shorty114 | heh |
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| 04:14.11 | longhair | that's basically what i use my ubuntu box for. I picked it up from a mennonite old folks home for $20 |
| 04:14.17 | longhair | pos, but it works |
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| 04:18.00 | shorty114 | orange, what encoder should i use? |
| 04:18.04 | shorty114 | i want mp3s |
| 04:18.16 | shorty114 | of 320 kbps, or higher |
| 04:49.13 | orange | shorty114: I use notlame |
| 04:50.06 | shorty114 | orange, thanks |
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| 15:02.12 | Thumper_ | trepan: The only thing I've found with /flag give is if the center of your tank is not on something solid |
| 15:02.19 | Thumper_ | ie hanging off the edge of a building |
| 15:02.28 | Thumper_ | the flag misses and falls below you - no big deal |
| 15:02.31 | Thumper_ | everything looks great |
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| 16:08.26 | Thumper_ | blast007: yup - just giving my 'report' :) |
| 16:08.38 | blast007 | :) |
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| 18:38.00 | JeffM2501 | ok so who wants to be php moder for the forums? |
| 18:38.38 | jpa- | what would that include? |
| 18:39.13 | JeffM2501 | need the new user page to have one of those bot busting image code thingys |
| 18:41.00 | jpa- | does the server use PHP safemode? |
| 18:41.06 | JeffM2501 | I dono |
| 18:41.28 | JeffM2501 | meno has done good work in the past |
| 18:41.30 | ToughShooter | I never generated images from within PHP |
| 18:41.31 | JeffM2501 | very good work |
| 18:41.42 | jpa- | a .php page with <?php phpinfo(); ?> should tell it |
| 18:41.42 | JeffM2501 | there is code to do it in the current phpbb stuff |
| 18:41.46 | JeffM2501 | it just needs to be moved over |
| 18:41.59 | JeffM2501 | mostly I'd like a full update to current version |
| 18:42.02 | menotume | hmmm, i can try |
| 18:42.07 | JeffM2501 | right now we just have security patches |
| 18:42.12 | jpa- | while.. maybe on-the-fly generation without saving to disc would be the best |
| 18:42.26 | menotume | i would try updating to current version |
| 18:42.26 | ToughShooter | jpa-: yeah, but phpinfo shouldn't be exposed to the whole world |
| 18:42.27 | jpa- | would need to use sessions or something.. |
| 18:42.44 | brlcad | jpa-: afaik, it does not |
| 18:42.57 | JeffM2501 | jpa-, as I said, there is code to do it, it just needs to be merged in |
| 18:42.58 | brlcad | in fact, I believe even globals are enabled |
| 18:42.58 | jpa- | good, it sucks :) |
| 18:43.07 | jpa- | ah |
| 18:43.22 | ToughShooter | globals are a security risk ;) |
| 18:43.41 | brlcad | not in the way our scripts work, but in general they can be |
| 18:44.04 | brlcad | nobody has bothered to rewrite the php to use the new arrays yet |
| 18:44.11 | brlcad | heh "new" |
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| 18:45.26 | blast007 | http://blast.dotgeek.org/trueleague/register.php |
| 18:46.01 | JeffM2501 | blast007, we don't need somone else's |
| 18:46.06 | blast007 | that's mine |
| 18:46.12 | JeffM2501 | a full upgrade to current phpbb will do it |
| 18:46.16 | blast007 | k |
| 18:46.21 | JeffM2501 | we just arn't runing on a full upgrade |
| 18:46.38 | blast007 | wasn't it an addon in the contrib/ dir? |
| 18:46.52 | JeffM2501 | it's merged into the current version |
| 18:46.56 | JeffM2501 | as an option |
| 18:47.04 | JeffM2501 | controll pannel turns it on and off IIRC |
| 18:47.05 | jpa- | the image code thingys are too common, why not require a won 1vs1 against a bot? ,) |
| 18:47.23 | JeffM2501 | jpa-, because I'm not stupid |
| 18:47.47 | JeffM2501 | ether that or we upgrade if we move it |
| 18:47.51 | blast007 | by "current version" do you mean the version we are running, or the latest phpbb version? |
| 18:48.03 | JeffM2501 | we are running 1/2 ass current version :) |
| 18:48.06 | jpa- | ..unless you noticed, it had a ,) after it :) |
| 18:48.07 | blast007 | heh |
| 18:48.09 | JeffM2501 | we have all the security patched |
| 18:48.09 | blast007 | k |
| 18:48.17 | JeffM2501 | just not all the non critical features |
| 18:48.23 | JeffM2501 | like the login thing |
| 18:49.03 | JeffM2501 | since we are moded, it's easyer to apply the security patches, then it is to do a full upgrade each time |
| 18:49.34 | JeffM2501 | it's time to apply our mods to the current version tho and get all the new features. |
| 18:49.35 | blast007 | a lot of the time they provide a mod-style upgrade from one version to the next |
| 18:49.57 | JeffM2501 | yeah they do, I'm not a php guru, so I only did the security updates |
| 18:50.13 | JeffM2501 | I'd like to have somone be in charge of the phpness of the sites |
| 18:50.30 | JeffM2501 | and actual webmaster |
| 18:51.54 | JeffM2501 | ether that or I may stop carring soon |
| 18:51.55 | blast007 | so are you wanting to take a clean copy, and re-mod it? |
| 18:52.13 | JeffM2501 | I think that would be best |
| 18:52.28 | JeffM2501 | would be a good time to also look at any other mods we want to apply |
| 18:54.06 | ToughShooter | Naive question: What ensures costum anti bot code in login won't conflict with future security updates of PHP? |
| 18:54.23 | ToughShooter | err, phpbb |
| 18:54.49 | blast007 | we want to use the built-in anti-bot code, but right now it doesn't exist in our copy |
| 18:55.30 | ToughShooter | ah, stupid me :( |
| 18:55.43 | JeffM2501 | yeah I'm sure the stuff they have isn't perfect anti-bot code, but it's better then nothin |
| 18:56.47 | JeffM2501 | but this is why I'd like a go to person for the site |
| 18:57.00 | JeffM2501 | I just know the features and mods I'd like to have, not the best way to get them done |
| 18:57.09 | JeffM2501 | and searching for a person every time kinda sucks. |
| 19:01.46 | blast007 | http://easymod.sourceforge.net/readme/#introduction |
| 19:01.55 | blast007 | automatic mod installer :) |
| 19:02.14 | JeffM2501 | I know at least one of our mods, isn't a real mod |
| 19:02.18 | JeffM2501 | just a thing I do |
| 19:02.24 | JeffM2501 | no member lists for unreged |
| 19:03.14 | menotume | is best to use the new phpbb version |
| 19:03.28 | menotume | if we did our own, it would just be harder to upgrade in the future |
| 19:04.17 | ToughShooter | menotume: BTW: The silvercat PHPBB is outdated |
| 19:04.26 | menotume | heh |
| 19:04.30 | menotume | well ... |
| 19:04.34 | ToughShooter | Do you know whether the new version works ok? |
| 19:04.40 | menotume | i don't usually chase EVERY version |
| 19:04.40 | ToughShooter | I would update it then |
| 19:05.04 | menotume | sometimes new version are worse than old ones |
| 19:05.14 | ToughShooter | Do we run any mods on silvercat? |
| 19:05.19 | menotume | my motto: if it ain't broke, don't fix it |
| 19:05.35 | menotume | just template stuff, i think |
| 19:09.25 | blast007 | seems there was some security fixes with 2.0.18 |
| 19:09.42 | blast007 | "[Sec] fixed ability to edit PM's you did not send" ;) |
| 19:15.40 | JeffM2501 | mostly I just don't want to have to care about the php anymore :) |
| 20:12.39 | blast007 | zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
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| 20:13.08 | blast007 | er, a friend thought that would be funny or something... |
| 20:13.43 | Chestal | better lock your friend ;-) |
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| 20:56.27 | blast007 | Chestal: hehe, yeah :) |
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| 21:12.24 | RPG_ | hi |
| 21:12.29 | SilentSwan | i missed my train. and therefore, missed my interview |
| 21:12.35 | SilentSwan | missed it by seconds |
| 21:12.51 | RPG_ | shoulda done it the thomas edison way and let someone pull you by your ear :) |
| 21:13.47 | SilentSwan | so... i had to make a call and leave a message with the person in question to kind of BS my way through it to see if we can reschedule |
| 21:14.20 | RPG_ | "...to kind of Bachelor of Science my way..." |
| 21:14.35 | SilentSwan | hah... i'm running down the street trying to make it... had to take my shoes off to run ... on the *very cold* ground... and i still miss it |
| 21:14.42 | SilentSwan | cute RPG_ :) |
| 21:14.54 | RPG_ | 26.2 F degrees |
| 21:15.19 | SilentSwan | yeah, i can't believe that.. it was so mild then so bitter all of a sudden |
| 21:15.48 | blast007 | !weather 53545 |
| 21:16.17 | blast007 | or not.. |
| 21:16.22 | menotume | !weather or not, that it the question |
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| 21:16.31 | menotume | heh |
| 21:16.34 | blast007 | lol |
| 21:17.03 | RPG_ | this !weather sucks |
| 21:17.25 | blast007 | The ~weather over there is better than this !weather |
| 21:17.34 | menotume | <ibot>: It's cold in Janesville |
| 21:17.42 | SilentSwan | the !grass is always green on the other side of the ~fence |
| 21:17.58 | RPG_ | !grass |
| 21:18.01 | RPG_ | ~fence |
| 21:18.06 | RPG_ | hmmm |
| 21:18.12 | blast007 | ~ping |
| 21:18.13 | ibot | pong |
| 21:18.13 | RPG_ | the NULL is always green on the other side of the NULL |
| 21:18.21 | SilentSwan | ~weed |
| 21:18.22 | ibot | [weed] good |
| 21:18.25 | SilentSwan | :) |
| 21:18.27 | blast007 | lol |
| 21:18.31 | RPG_ | heh |
| 21:18.55 | blast007 | I usually just poke him with a stick |
| 21:19.52 | menotume | <ibot>: Janesville / Rock County, WI, United States; (KJVL) 42-37N 089-02W; last updated: 2005.11.16 2045 UTC; Dew Point: 15 F (-9 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.05 in. Hg (1017 hPa); Relative Humidity: 68%; Sky conditions: overcast; Temperature: 24 F (-4 C); Visibility: 7 mile(s); Wind: from the W (270 degrees) at 18 MPH (16 KT) gusting to 33 MPH (29 KT); Windchill: 10 F ... |
| 21:22.29 | iboot | hehe |
| 21:22.42 | ibut | !lart ibut |
| 21:22.57 | BearPerson | ~lart ibot |
| 21:23.47 | SilentSwan | *sigh* and i'm out of coffee... god help us |
| 21:25.32 | Thumper_ | JeffM2501: has multiple plugins been tried yet? where they register for the same events |
| 21:25.38 | ibut | ~weather KDYL |
| 21:25.50 | ibut | 72 - eat your heart out |
| 21:26.21 | RPG_ | Thumper_: I_Died_Once has been running a setup like that for awhile |
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| 21:48.57 | SilentSwan | mmm.. hot cocoa |
| 21:49.32 | blast007 | I have that all the time at work :) |
| 21:50.02 | SilentSwan | i usually prefer tea or coffee, but out all out ;( |
| 21:54.29 | Pimpinella | is there a way to disable http download of the map client side? |
| 21:56.15 | trepan | Pimpinella: not without hacking, afaik. why do you want to? |
| 21:57.52 | Pimpinella | i got a request from a player who can't login anymore, the client hangs after showing th emap was downloaded 100%. he said this started a few days ago, a few days ago i fixed the previously broken map image |
| 21:58.33 | Pimpinella | so maybe dowloading the map the "conservative" way might fix his problem... |
| 21:59.08 | SilentSwan | *sigh* slashdot article "US Keeps control of Internet"... figures... |
| 21:59.16 | trepan | you could also ask him to clear the *.bwc files from his cache |
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| 21:59.54 | BearPerson | I don't see how they "keep control of the internet" |
| 22:00.02 | Pimpinella | yeah, maybe it's that |
| 22:00.12 | Pimpinella | BearPerson: dns |
| 22:00.27 | BearPerson | okay, they may have official authority over DNS... but if they decide to drop *.de there's still the ISP's name servers |
| 22:00.29 | Pimpinella | not the internet itself, but dns |
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| 22:00.46 | BearPerson | there's nothing they can do to make name servers follow their every word |
| 22:02.39 | BearPerson | what's dns records but a recommendation for dns servers to follow, after all? ;-) |
| 22:04.21 | SilentSwan | it's just political |
| 22:04.22 | Pimpinella | alternative root zones could be set up surprisingly fast, but right now the US control it, it's more a political question but a technical |
| 22:04.29 | SilentSwan | why should the US control a worldwide network? |
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| 22:04.58 | ruskie | gsnedders, problems? |
| 22:05.19 | gsnedders | ruskie: goddamn bug in Colloquy... |
| 22:05.31 | ruskie | use a decent irc client |
| 22:05.41 | SilentSwan | yeah, epic :) |
| 22:06.02 | ruskie | irssi |
| 22:06.14 | gsnedders | ruskie: i'd prefer one with a GUI :) |
| 22:06.22 | SilentSwan | *tsk tsk* |
| 22:06.23 | orange | irssi rocks |
| 22:06.34 | SilentSwan | never liked irssi |
| 22:06.41 | SilentSwan | but i'd take that over xchat any day |
| 22:06.47 | ruskie | gsnedders, I think there is irssi with a gui type thingy for mac |
| 22:06.55 | ruskie | or try xchat |
| 22:10.24 | blast007 | SilentSwan: is 'epic' a GUI client? |
| 22:10.36 | SilentSwan | no |
| 22:10.51 | Pimpinella | colloquy is based on irssi iirc |
| 22:11.02 | SilentSwan | www.epicsol.org |
| 22:11.22 | gsnedders | Pimpinella: yeah, it is |
| 22:11.27 | blast007 | seeing a reference to X in the ./configure --help output |
| 22:11.31 | blast007 | so I was just wondering |
| 22:11.43 | SilentSwan | no, text only :) |
| 22:11.53 | blast007 | k |
| 22:12.15 | SilentSwan | i've not found a single GUI irc client for unix that i actually liked. maybe someday i'll write one... |
| 22:12.18 | SilentSwan | or not |
| 22:12.34 | SilentSwan | all i know is, right now, i'm getting more hot cocoa :) |
| 22:12.45 | Pimpinella | xchat is fine for me |
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| 22:13.21 | blast007 | I don't typically use a GUI on this linux box...always using SSH :) |
| 22:13.36 | purple_cow | SilentSwan: tried xchat-gnome? :) |
| 22:13.47 | gsnedders | time to see if nightly build fixes the bug |
| 22:13.47 | orange | screen |
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| 22:13.55 | gsnedders | seems to, pretty much |
| 22:14.02 | blast007 | orange: yup, I love screen |
| 22:14.17 | orange | screen == unix command line joy |
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| 22:15.46 | orchid | it can be, but getting irssi, emacs, urxvt and screen to play nicely together without stepping on each others keybindings is bit of a challenge |
| 22:16.04 | DTRemenak | bah, emacs is for losers |
| 22:16.06 | DTRemenak | err... |
| 22:16.12 | blast007 | lol |
| 22:16.37 | orchid | ~M-x-kill DTRemenak |
| 22:19.01 | orange | vim == editing goodness :-) |
| 22:19.27 | Pimpinella | vim == headache |
| 22:19.28 | trepan | DTRemenak: that because vi's kb interface is one that no other sane program would want |
| 22:19.36 | gsnedders | pico++ |
| 22:19.44 | DTRemenak | trepan: :) |
| 22:19.47 | orange | vim is designed for speed and efficiency, not ease of learning |
| 22:19.51 | SilentSwan | snow *cry* i'm not ready for snow yet |
| 22:19.54 | orange | ease of use, not ease of learning |
| 22:20.19 | SilentSwan | oh dear.. editor wars |
| 22:20.26 | orchid | SilentSwan: no snow here yet, tommorow maybe though :-\ |
| 22:20.32 | DTRemenak | dual? there are way more than two modes :) |
| 22:20.33 | orange | trepan: it's so you don't have to move your hands off the normal keys :-) |
| 22:20.35 | SilentSwan | orchid: where are you? |
| 22:20.51 | orchid | toronto-ish |
| 22:20.56 | SilentSwan | ah ok.. nice |
| 22:20.58 | SilentSwan | i want to live there |
| 22:22.44 | trepan | DTRemenak: i know just enough vi to help me edit the makefile to build another editor :) |
| 22:22.51 | Pimpinella | i understand that ppl used cobol when nothing better was available. i also understand that ppl used vi when they couldn't use anything better. i don't use cobol today |
| 22:23.39 | Pimpinella | ... |
| 22:23.40 | SilentSwan | emacs = Eighty Megabytes And Constantly Swapping |
| 22:23.43 | orange | Pimpinella: :-) |
| 22:23.53 | SilentSwan | Escape Meta Alt Control Shift |
| 22:23.55 | JeffM2501 | people used command line interfaces when there wasn't anything better :) |
| 22:24.05 | SilentSwan | rm -f JeffM2501 |
| 22:24.15 | JeffM2501 | permision denied |
| 22:24.19 | SilentSwan | su - |
| 22:24.20 | orchid | :) |
| 22:24.23 | orange | sudo rm -f JeffM2501 |
| 22:24.34 | JeffM2501 | sadly none of you are in my sudoers |
| 22:24.38 | orange | hehe |
| 22:24.52 | orchid | cp -r JeffM2501 /home/orchid/ |
| 22:24.59 | JeffM2501 | SilentSwan, but we have just met |
| 22:25.00 | SilentSwan | :o |
| 22:25.01 | orchid | JeffM2501: your safe now |
| 22:25.08 | trepan | JeffM2501: gotta say, i've tried the clicky clicky world, oft isn't a member of 'anything better' |
| 22:25.20 | orange | I still use command line, vim, and cobol |
| 22:25.24 | orange | wait |
| 22:25.25 | orange | not cobol :-) |
| 22:25.27 | JeffM2501 | everything has the place it's best at :) |
| 22:25.41 | JeffM2501 | vim was the only command line editor I could remember how to use |
| 22:26.00 | SilentSwan | i only recently started using "vim"... before that, i was a "vi" purist |
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| 22:27.14 | trepan | JeffM2501: p.s. got Spring running in linux |
| 22:28.10 | trepan | it crashes badly (eats the mouse in fullscreen), and the keys aren't quite right in windowed mode, but it looks, sounds, and plays fairly well except for that |
| 22:29.24 | gsnedders | ok. no more rejoining from me. |
| 22:30.52 | SilentSwan | trepan: sweet, can't wait to try it :) |
| 22:31.46 | Ice_Wewe | later, I've got some stuff I need to do |
| 22:31.51 | DTRemenak | "Emacs is for people who desperately want to get drunk, but feel guilty doing so without a reason." |
| 22:32.02 | SilentSwan | heh |
| 22:36.05 | SilentSwan | still can't believe i missed my train today... |
| 22:37.54 | Grumbler | every editor has its place, nothing is god like |
| 22:38.14 | SilentSwan | the Best Editor(tm) is the one you use :) |
| 22:38.17 | SilentSwan | (hint: vi) |
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| 22:39.00 | DTRemenak | Grumbler: I know that, I'm just too used to being reasonable and thought I'd throw some irrational flames in for fun and variety :) |
| 22:39.05 | JeffM2501 | trepan, you gonna fix it? :) |
| 22:40.41 | trepan | JeffM2501: it's not unlikely |
| 22:41.01 | Grumbler | DTRemenak, you are not reasonable, reason requires a dislike of wings :) |
| 22:41.24 | SilentSwan | Grumbler: what? does this mean i'm reasonable for once? :) |
| 22:41.27 | DTRemenak | Grumbler: baaah |
| 22:47.29 | Thumper_ | trepan: Spring?? You have to have Winter first! |
| 22:47.39 | Thumper_ | no skipping ahead. |
| 22:49.00 | SilentSwan | i need new glasses... *sigh* |
| 22:54.25 | Thumper_ | *yay!* anon cvs finally catches up. |
| 23:02.58 | JeffM2501 | finaly I get a new computer at work |
| 23:15.00 | Thumper_ | orchid: it's snowing now... and I'm Toronto-ish |
| 23:15.55 | orchid | Thumper_: it's sorta-snowing now too :-( |
| 23:17.37 | SilentSwan | still snowing here |
| 23:17.44 | SilentSwan | it was so warm just a couple days ago |
| 23:18.45 | SilentSwan | well |
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| 23:22.50 | KB1FYR | Hi, I'm running BZF 2.0.4 on a 533MHz G4 w/448MB of RAM, a 64MB radeon 7000, and MacOSX 10.3.9. When I run BZFlag, it switches the resolution to 1280x1024, and the screen stays black. I tried editing the configuration file, but it always seems to go right back to 1280x1024. |
| 23:23.36 | Tupone | tried with a new SDL version ? |
| 23:24.43 | KB1FYR | A new SDL version? |
| 23:25.47 | Tupone | try that: sdl-config --version |
| 23:27.47 | KB1FYR | What are you talking about? If I look at the application contents, I have the sdl framework in a folder there... |
| 23:28.21 | KB1FYR | Was I supposed to install SDL? |
| 23:29.18 | Tupone | I don't know, have to see to Mac build files |
| 23:30.02 | Tupone | so you just get the package from sourceforge. You have not built it |
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| 23:36.55 | KB1FYR | :| |
| 23:37.06 | KB1FYR | That time I couldn't even force quit... |
| 23:38.18 | KB1FYR | Bah, this sucks. |
| 23:38.24 | KB1FYR | bbl, fooding |
| 23:45.33 | SilentSwan | ok.. has anyone yet succeeded in getting bzedit functional on linux? |
| 23:47.57 | Aribeth | it wasnt easy to get working, but yes i was able to get it working |
| 23:48.32 | SilentSwan | is it worth it? |
| 23:49.13 | SilentSwan | i'm probably going to have a look at pybzedit |
| 23:49.22 | Aribeth | havnt used it enough to tell |
| 23:50.43 | SilentSwan | ...freezing... off for a really hot shower |