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| 00:44.40 | orange | hey JBdiGriz |
| 00:45.09 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03trepan 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/ (5 files in 3 dirs): |
| 00:45.09 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: - added the /showperms [callsign] command |
| 00:45.09 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: - modified /showgroup, /setgroup, and /removegroup commands |
| 00:45.09 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: to accept non-quoted callsigns |
| 00:45.09 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: - renamed -forcegfx to -reqgfx |
| 00:45.09 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: - added -reqreg command line (still needs support code) |
| 00:45.11 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: - added the RequireRegistration bit to the gameStyle |
| 00:45.34 | orange | whee! |
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| 00:46.14 | orange | trepan is in admin mode, not graphics mode |
| 00:46.34 | trepan | doing gfx on another prog. :) |
| 00:46.51 | orange | hehe |
| 00:47.06 | orange | lots of good goings on for bzflag admins though, coolness |
| 00:47.12 | orange | back in awhile to browse through the latest :-) |
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| 01:15.43 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03trepan 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/Downloads.cxx: re-implement original feature: if downloading fails, use the cached texture |
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| 02:16.21 | husseyka | ~bzfquery 68.225.242.141:5154 |
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| 02:35.24 | Thumper_ | JeffMmini: hi - with the v2_0branch if we wanted to add a plugin event |
| 02:35.36 | Thumper_ | I assume it has to be added to both v2_0branch and head simultaneously |
| 02:35.51 | Thumper_ | and there isn't a simple way to reconcile this stuff later |
| 02:35.55 | Thumper_ | is that true? |
| 02:36.32 | Thumper_ | hmm I guess that question could go to any dev... not just JeffM :) |
| 02:38.38 | Thumper_ | I can think of at least 2 new plugin events I'd like to see |
| 02:38.45 | Thumper_ | I've coded the first one for v2_0branch |
| 02:40.33 | Thumper_ | http://www.norang.ca/tmp/bz_eSlashCommandEvent.diff |
| 02:43.11 | Thumper_ | of course if you want to grant me commit privs... I could just do it myself |
| 02:45.47 | trepan | Thumper_: it doesn't have to be simultaneous, but it's a good idea to maintain compatibility |
| 02:46.09 | Thumper_ | trepan: yeah you said you weren't doing anything in HEAD until 2.0.6 was done... |
| 02:46.12 | trepan | you can do merges to reconcile at a later date |
| 02:46.26 | Thumper_ | so I was just wondering how you plan to bring head up to date later... |
| 02:46.43 | trepan | DTRemenak has been merging my 2.0.5 junk into 2.1, cause I refuse to do it :) |
| 02:46.48 | Thumper_ | I guess you could just keep track of everythign that changed... and revisit it later... |
| 02:46.51 | Thumper_ | :) |
| 02:47.20 | JeffMmini | cvs has merge tools |
| 02:47.26 | trepan | the problem that arises are the conflicts, with can be a pain to sort out |
| 02:47.32 | Thumper_ | yup |
| 02:47.58 | Thumper_ | and if the branches are already far apart you end up doing the work twice |
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| 02:50.45 | zenlunatic | I built newest from source (make && make install) but how do I run it? |
| 02:51.39 | trepan | /usr/local/bin/bzflag, iirc |
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| 02:52.50 | zenlunatic | nope |
| 02:53.03 | KRR | howdy |
| 02:54.08 | trepan | zenlunatic: did you build succeed? do you have a bzflag/src/bzflag/bzflag exec ? |
| 02:54.25 | zenlunatic | trepan: Yeah build looks like it succeeded |
| 02:54.59 | zenlunatic | only thing in /usr/local/bin are 'bzfs' and 'bzadmin' |
| 02:55.45 | trepan | do you have a bzflag/src/bzflag/bzflag exec ? |
| 02:56.08 | JeffMmini | and did your config say anything about "can't find gl.h, skiping client" ? |
| 02:56.10 | trepan | hm, you didn't ./configure ? |
| 02:56.28 | zenlunatic | trepan: what do you mean do i have those execs |
| 02:56.38 | zenlunatic | i configured |
| 02:56.44 | zenlunatic | i didn't read the output though |
| 02:56.49 | blast007 | heh :) |
| 02:56.50 | JeffMmini | go read it |
| 02:56.58 | JeffMmini | it probably told you it couldn't build the client |
| 02:57.22 | zenlunatic | where am i able to read it? |
| 02:57.26 | zenlunatic | i already closed the terminal |
| 02:57.31 | JeffMmini | in the terminal you ran it in |
| 02:57.42 | JeffMmini | simplest is to run it again |
| 02:58.55 | zenlunatic | thanks im going to bed though |
| 03:00.27 | blast007 | :) |
| 03:01.03 | JeffMmini | I have |
| 03:01.15 | bryjen | !weather kowb |
| 03:01.41 | SportChick | !weather klax |
| 03:01.51 | bryjen | no guu |
| 03:01.57 | bryjen | ~weather kowb |
| 03:02.01 | JeffMmini | no guu? |
| 03:02.09 | SportChick | ~weather 90277 |
| 03:02.16 | SportChick | ~weather klax |
| 03:03.13 | bryjen | chilly here |
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| 03:03.57 | JeffMmini | guu hyayoooo! |
| 03:04.05 | Guu | JeffMmini: bafuuuuuu! |
| 03:04.14 | JeffMmini | that's my girl |
| 03:07.38 | blast007 | ~weather KJVL |
| 03:07.57 | blast007 | bryjen: bit more chilly here ;D |
| 03:09.23 | KRR | ~weather KMYR |
| 03:11.01 | KRR | freezing here - this cold is approaching unnaturally cold, humans should not have to live with this kind of cold (80* here yesterday) |
| 03:14.38 | SilentSwan | does anyone know who created the old "Cambridge" map? |
| 03:15.04 | trepan | dervish? |
| 03:15.20 | SilentSwan | hmm ok |
| 03:23.32 | SilentSwan | i'm guessing there's no way to reload the config file or to change the -public string while the server is running..? |
| 03:23.54 | trepan | nope |
| 03:24.00 | SilentSwan | dang |
| 03:24.01 | SilentSwan | ok |
| 03:28.21 | JeffMmini | a plugin could |
| 03:29.26 | trepan | without mod'ing the base source? |
| 03:29.32 | JeffMmini | yeah |
| 03:29.41 | JeffMmini | there is an event for "I need to update the list server |
| 03:29.47 | JeffMmini | and the plugin can mod the message |
| 03:35.27 | DTRemenak | huh. that's cool. |
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| 06:37.04 | Aribeth | yaaaaaaaawn |
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| 11:12.23 | Newart | Good day everybody? |
| 11:12.56 | _Manu_ | :) |
| 11:38.24 | ruskie | lo |
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| 11:45.41 | b_o_n_o | hi all |
| 11:46.30 | brlcad | you going to sing for us? |
| 11:47.11 | brlcad | i'd like to request "where the streets have no name" |
| 11:47.12 | brlcad | aww |
| 11:48.15 | Chestal | brlcad: why curse the nice filter? |
| 11:51.52 | brlcad | Chestal: mostly because I don't get a readily visible notification that I'm being blocked when I'm not identified |
| 11:52.27 | brlcad | but also just because I have to identify to chat in private too -- I'd definitely opt out of having others need to chat to _me_ in private if I could |
| 11:52.40 | brlcad | s/having/blocking/ |
| 11:53.04 | Chestal | you can tell nickserv to accept mesages from unidentified people |
| 11:53.22 | brlcad | ah, that's good to know |
| 11:53.28 | Chestal | 'set unfiltered' or something |
| 11:53.52 | brlcad | still doesn't resolve the main problem of notifying me I'm being blocked (at least in irssi) |
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| 11:54.10 | brlcad | the message goes to [1] without highlighting so it's rarely checked |
| 11:54.29 | brlcad | not to the window I'm actually trying to talk in |
| 11:55.12 | brlcad | (query windows) |
| 11:55.12 | brlcad | i've gotten blocked on at least a half-dozen times now without realizing it for a while |
| 11:55.14 | b_o_n_o | hi all, who can help me about "bad token" |
| 11:55.16 | b_o_n_o | ? |
| 11:55.54 | brlcad | mostly caused by various network changes that cause freenode to drop my identified status, disconnects, etc |
| 11:57.08 | brlcad | plus i'm still against the whole "provide your papers" mentality of forced registration for features anyways in general unless you're going to lock out the entire network equally |
| 11:57.20 | trepan | hehe, using the ground texture again to make better gnd rcvrs (fake lights) can certainly bring my poor machine to a stutter, esp. when the poly count is jacked |
| 11:57.30 | trepan | ... looks pretty good though =) |
| 11:59.12 | Chestal | brlcad: I haven't really thought much about that feature because I never had a problem with it |
| 12:01.41 | b_o_n_o | my problem is : i made a server, i can connect to it, but nobody can connect to my server, because they got this message "bad token" |
| 12:03.29 | b_o_n_o | please somebody help me |
| 12:05.47 | brlcad | b_o_n_o: not the best time of day to solicit help, just fyi |
| 12:05.52 | brlcad | but sounds like a router filtering problem |
| 12:06.18 | brlcad | check firewall settings both on the machine and any routers you have |
| 12:06.33 | brlcad | need to allow udp and tcp |
| 12:07.02 | brlcad | run the server with debug level 4 and it might give some diagnostic info |
| 12:07.39 | b_o_n_o | ok ty brlcad |
| 12:17.21 | _Manu_ | trepan, someone complained about titmouse at lasermania |
| 12:17.37 | Chestal | hi KRRRR |
| 12:17.55 | KRR | hey there ChestHaullll |
| 12:18.07 | Chestal | KRR: I noticed that the frappr thing has stalled at 40 people? |
| 12:18.20 | KRR | yeah :/ |
| 12:19.16 | KRR | would be neat if more peeps used it, but what can ya do? break arms? then they couldnt play anyway, so... |
| 12:19.20 | Chestal | I even gave the URL to some people, but apparently they didn't add themselves (or it doesn't work?) |
| 12:20.14 | KRR | I did 2 other Frappr things, for a boat website I run, and for one I participate in |
| 12:20.31 | KRR | for the site I run, it got up to about 50 people |
| 12:20.47 | KRR | for the other site, only 5, and one of them fictional :/ |
| 12:21.15 | KRR | not much of a statistical base, but there ya have it :) |
| 12:21.41 | Chestal | too bad that google still has no map data for Europe (except for GB) |
| 12:22.22 | KRR | I imagine they'll add it. they seem to stay on top of things |
| 12:23.00 | KRR | I'm going to integrate the map with phpBB on the site I run, using that mod that someone posted |
| 12:23.25 | KRR | that'll prolly get more folks to enter their data |
| 12:23.43 | KRR | ~weather KMYR |
| 12:24.24 | KRR | brrrrrr - glad I'm on this comfy sailboat with a hot cuppa coffee :) |
| 12:25.41 | Chestal | hmm, coffee, reminds me to make myself a hot tea |
| 12:28.20 | trepan | _Manu_: emails have been sent, etc... |
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| 12:36.23 | trepan | doesn't show it that well, but: http://trepan.homelinux.net/advrcvrs.jpg |
| 12:50.49 | KRR | trepan: looks good |
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| 13:42.06 | _Manu_ | trepan, I'm only a messenger ;) |
| 13:42.32 | Chestal | if the news is bad, shoot the messenger! |
| 13:43.12 | _Manu_ | I dodge good :) |
| 13:46.22 | trepan | picture a damsel, dressed in black leathers, with a big gun... |
| 13:46.26 | trepan | dodge this. |
| 13:48.26 | _Manu_ | I did ;-p |
| 13:48.58 | trepan | you are the one |
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| 14:55.49 | Grumbler | for he is the quizartshaddarack |
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| 15:26.16 | Aribeth | heheee |
| 15:26.28 | Aribeth | grumbler, lol |
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| 17:13.38 | Grumbler | only in canada, http://www.beerhunter.ca/ |
| 17:14.34 | menotume | lol hey |
| 17:15.30 | menotume | big concentration of LCBOs on rt 2 |
| 17:15.56 | Grumbler | college section maybe? |
| 17:16.02 | menotume | :) |
| 17:17.25 | Grumbler | there is a hospital nearby, and you know how those doctors drink |
| 17:17.53 | menotume | yes, need an outlet on every street corner |
| 17:18.06 | Grumbler | saves on stumbling across the road |
| 17:18.19 | menotume | hehe |
| 17:18.53 | Grumbler | heh, i am a little confused by the traffic circle around the university of toronto.....there are two one way arrows facing each other :) |
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| 18:09.42 | orange | spin error? |
| 18:10.12 | ToughShooter | see bug reports :p |
| 18:15.43 | ToughShooter | I found out why I was unable to debug it previously |
| 18:16.17 | ToughShooter | debugging from within XCode doesn't seem to work...(source files not found by gdb) |
| 18:17.55 | orange | interesting |
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| 18:21.09 | Egbert | umm |
| 18:21.19 | Egbert | I have a problem getting Bzflag to run. |
| 18:21.48 | Egbert | It says "The procedure entry point GetRawInputDeviceList could not be located in the dynamic link library USER32.dll |
| 18:21.57 | blast007 | what version of windows? |
| 18:22.00 | Egbert | 2000 |
| 18:22.56 | blast007 | hmm |
| 18:23.20 | Egbert | Windows 2000 |
| 18:23.25 | Egbert | Windows 2k |
| 18:23.37 | Egbert | Oh. |
| 18:23.54 | ToughShooter | ~spell custom box |
| 18:23.55 | blast007 | you might need to install a new version of DirectX |
| 18:24.02 | ToughShooter | ~spell custom |
| 18:24.17 | Egbert | Oh |
| 18:24.18 | Egbert | Ok |
| 18:24.21 | Egbert | I'll try that. |
| 18:24.22 | Egbert | Thanks |
| 18:24.24 | blast007 | :) |
| 18:56.48 | ToughShooter | hmm, my whole install is maybe broken (or I'm missing something): http://pastebin.com/434541 |
| 18:57.47 | JeffM2501 | what are you trying to do? |
| 18:58.52 | BearPerson | you are trying to be stupid? |
| 18:58.54 | ToughShooter | I tried to debug bzfs and wanted to make the breakpoint in the client. |
| 18:59.04 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 18:59.14 | ToughShooter | that's not very intelligent |
| 19:06.16 | ToughShooter | This one should work, correct? http://pastebin.com/434546 |
| 19:06.46 | JeffM2501 | did you build with xcode? |
| 19:06.50 | ToughShooter | yes |
| 19:07.00 | ToughShooter | target development |
| 19:07.11 | JeffM2501 | that will strip the debug symbols |
| 19:07.29 | ToughShooter | Why does it do that? :o |
| 19:08.00 | ToughShooter | is it in one of the shell scripts? |
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| 19:09.56 | JeffM2501 | the xcode build is designed to make the release target |
| 19:10.00 | JeffM2501 | for size we strip those |
| 19:10.07 | JeffM2501 | it's not designed for active dvelopment |
| 19:10.14 | JeffM2501 | that's why it only just calls the makefile to build |
| 19:10.18 | ToughShooter | no wonder I never got a useful stack with XCode |
| 19:10.43 | JeffM2501 | yeah, we should have 2 targets in xcode |
| 19:10.52 | JeffM2501 | one for release and one for dev |
| 19:11.28 | JeffM2501 | yay, lib curl is done, now for sdl |
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| 19:23.38 | ToughShooter | Is CustomBox.cxx even used by bzfs? :o |
| 19:25.53 | ToughShooter | it doesn't even find the file when I compile via command line |
| 19:26.44 | JeffM2501 | that would be the parser right? |
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| 19:28.19 | ToughShooter | it's called by bzwreader, IIRC |
| 19:28.43 | JeffM2501 | custom box is built as part of the bzfs executable |
| 19:29.02 | ToughShooter | hmm |
| 19:32.35 | ToughShooter | I get this: http://pastebin.com/434573 |
| 19:32.58 | ToughShooter | Stuff from CustomZone inside but nothing from CustomBox |
| 19:37.43 | ToughShooter | Did I built it properly? I had installed the framework version of SDL, then "./autogen.sh; ./configure --enable-debug; make" |
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| 19:50.49 | JeffM2501 | the map parser should not have anything to do with SDL |
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| 20:05.49 | ToughShooter | one would think it is possible to debug functions inside CustomBox.cxx :( |
| 20:07.38 | Tupone | I think is |
| 20:07.46 | Tupone | ay least here |
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| 20:19.21 | ToughShooter | "here" should be cross-location :/ |
| 20:19.27 | SilentSwan | any map wizards out know why i might be getting "stuck" on a box platform? You land on it and you're just... stuck |
| 20:19.51 | SilentSwan | i tried blowing away and recreating the entire platform and it still happens... weird |
| 20:21.05 | BearPerson | it's not tilted? |
| 20:21.12 | SilentSwan | no |
| 20:21.16 | BearPerson | try landing on it with WG and see what happens |
| 20:21.23 | SilentSwan | no WG on my server |
| 20:21.27 | SilentSwan | still doesn't make sense though |
| 20:21.33 | SilentSwan | you can't jump or move, just stuck |
| 20:21.39 | SilentSwan | and it's only a specific platform |
| 20:21.39 | BearPerson | can you pause? |
| 20:21.51 | SilentSwan | yes, i can pause, self-destruct, fire shots, etc... just not move |
| 20:22.05 | BearPerson | hmm... so it doesn't think it's falling |
| 20:22.40 | SilentSwan | if you want to see it in action, it's at shattered.bzflag.bz ... there's a small 'V' shaped platform underneath the overhanging platforms |
| 20:23.13 | SilentSwan | it had a porter on it originally - removed it because players kept getting stuck on the porter, too |
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| 20:24.44 | SilentSwan | it's no big deal... i can just mess with it a bit more this evening... i'll probably just remove the whole thing and replace it with something else and see what happens |
| 20:25.46 | ToughShooter | SilentSwan: Are you on a mac? |
| 20:25.56 | SilentSwan | no... i can be when i get home |
| 20:26.03 | ToughShooter | hmm, then its not my bug |
| 20:26.15 | SilentSwan | nah it was doing it on the linux client |
| 20:26.40 | SilentSwan | just odd that it only happened there, even after re-creating the objects... |
| 20:27.22 | ToughShooter | or did you built your client with -ffloat-store ? |
| 20:27.28 | SilentSwan | no |
| 20:27.47 | BearPerson | I remember something like that happening on a map once |
| 20:27.52 | SilentSwan | i only use CPU-related flags |
| 20:28.01 | BearPerson | when you had WG, you could slowly slide on the platform |
| 20:28.16 | SilentSwan | hmmm |
| 20:28.18 | BearPerson | only in one direction though, iirc |
| 20:28.29 | BearPerson | turn and slowly move |
| 20:29.17 | BearPerson | from other tank's perspectives, the other tank was constantly falling, a lag made it vanish half-way through the platform and then re-appear on top of it when lag normalized |
| 20:29.31 | SilentSwan | freaky |
| 20:31.03 | BearPerson | what map is this now? |
| 20:31.18 | SilentSwan | cambridge 2 |
| 20:31.23 | SilentSwan | it's an old one |
| 20:31.27 | BearPerson | on any server atm? |
| 20:31.33 | SilentSwan | shattered.bzflag.bz |
| 20:31.37 | SilentSwan | port 2982 |
| 20:32.06 | SilentSwan | i can't pinpoint where the platform is (no bz client available where i am) but it's a small 'V' shaped one |
| 20:32.21 | SilentSwan | near one of the back corners underneath some overhanging platforms |
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| 21:15.20 | javaJake | Hi. I am wondering if you guys have any ideas about what would be a good C compiler. |
| 21:15.26 | SilentSwan | gcc |
| 21:15.35 | javaJake | I was talking with JeffM and he mentioned mysomething |
| 21:15.40 | javaJake | GCC.... |
| 21:15.47 | JeffM2501 | depennds on your OS |
| 21:15.56 | javaJake | Windows XP |
| 21:16.04 | javaJake | I am trying to recompile source code. |
| 21:16.05 | JeffM2501 | depends on how much you want to spend |
| 21:16.08 | javaJake | After adding some code. |
| 21:16.09 | SilentSwan | gcc is pretty universal, but if you're on Windows, there's visual studio or DevC++ (the latter being free) |
| 21:16.09 | JeffM2501 | mingw |
| 21:16.14 | javaJake | Nothing |
| 21:16.14 | JeffM2501 | that's what we told you last time |
| 21:16.17 | javaJake | AHA! |
| 21:16.19 | javaJake | THat was it! |
| 21:16.20 | JeffM2501 | mingw is the windows port of GCC |
| 21:16.22 | javaJake | Thanks! |
| 21:16.29 | javaJake | OK.... |
| 21:16.45 | javaJake | Thanks a lot... I was Goolging my*, but it didn't seem to work. |
| 21:17.01 | JeffM2501 | read the mingw readme |
| 21:17.08 | JeffM2501 | it has exactly what you ahve to do |
| 21:18.07 | BearPerson | btw, for the people that just were on SilentSwan's server tracking that bug: I've got a minimalistish map up on bearperson.is-a-geek.net |
| 21:18.15 | BearPerson | ToughShooter, Tupone, iirc |
| 21:18.21 | BearPerson | standard bzfs port |
| 21:20.34 | BearPerson | ToughShooter, it _is_ your bug |
| 21:20.41 | SilentSwan | hehe |
| 21:20.56 | BearPerson | position Z: 3.16, size Z: 11.84: bug |
| 21:21.05 | BearPerson | pos Z: 3, size Z: 12: no bug |
| 21:21.20 | SilentSwan | see the trouble i cause? :) |
| 21:21.54 | BearPerson | map is back |
| 21:22.04 | gsnedders | argh... why can't we edit a post on bzbb for 15 seconds? |
| 21:22.12 | JeffM2501 | because thems the rules |
| 21:22.28 | gsnedders | annoying :( |
| 21:22.39 | JeffM2501 | why are you in such a rush to edit posts? |
| 21:22.51 | JeffM2501 | it prevents repeat posters basicly |
| 21:22.58 | JeffM2501 | and double posts |
| 21:23.02 | JeffM2501 | but the phbpp dosn' |
| 21:23.11 | JeffM2501 | t know the diff between edit and new posts |
| 21:23.33 | gsnedders | it's just all in one if statement... remove one "or" and the edit delay is gone |
| 21:23.46 | JeffM2501 | if you say so |
| 21:23.50 | JeffM2501 | I'm not a php guy |
| 21:24.00 | gsnedders | as for why, i always make one mistake i don't notice until after it's posted |
| 21:24.03 | JeffM2501 | nor do I want to be |
| 21:24.14 | JeffM2501 | then just wait 15 seconds and fix it :) |
| 21:24.15 | gsnedders | heh. |
| 21:24.21 | gsnedders | grr... annoying :) |
| 21:24.25 | JeffM2501 | you'll live |
| 21:24.34 | bryjen | darn |
| 21:24.34 | JeffM2501 | you have too much anger |
| 21:24.42 | JeffM2501 | use the 15 seconds to take a deep breath |
| 21:24.46 | JeffM2501 | calm yourself |
| 21:24.50 | javaJake | :D |
| 21:24.52 | JeffM2501 | find inner peace |
| 21:25.00 | javaJake | LOL |
| 21:25.45 | gsnedders | :) |
| 21:25.55 | blast007 | or look at a bunny for 15 seconds: http://the.cyber0ne.com:84/WTF/rabbit_freak_out.jpg |
| 21:26.09 | gsnedders | lol. |
| 21:26.21 | gsnedders | or run "cvs update" |
| 21:26.24 | gsnedders | :) |
| 21:27.23 | gsnedders | ah well... |
| 21:27.26 | gsnedders | running latest cvs |
| 21:28.33 | javaJake | Do I need to download GCC also to make MingW work? |
| 21:28.39 | JeffM2501 | np |
| 21:28.44 | JeffM2501 | gcc is mingw |
| 21:29.10 | javaJake | OK.... |
| 21:29.42 | javaJake | It says I am supposed to download "mingw-runtime, w32api, binutils and gcc tarball packages", but they aren't in SF. |
| 21:29.49 | javaJake | Or... |
| 21:29.54 | javaJake | GCC isn;t. |
| 21:29.59 | javaJake | isn't* |
| 21:30.08 | JeffM2501 | "MinGW and MSYS. Get the |
| 21:30.08 | JeffM2501 | whole MinGW, including the MSYS DTK (Development ToolKit), follow the instruction |
| 21:30.08 | JeffM2501 | to install it and stay updated." |
| 21:30.29 | JeffM2501 | you are reading the instructions right? |
| 21:30.34 | javaJake | Huh? I'm sorry... I'm confused. |
| 21:30.37 | javaJake | I must not be... |
| 21:30.43 | JeffM2501 | what file are you reading? |
| 21:30.50 | javaJake | I'm here: http://www.mingw.org/download.shtml#hdr6 |
| 21:31.06 | Tupone | javaJake: look at bzflag instruction |
| 21:31.08 | javaJake | I'm fine with the command-line. |
| 21:31.09 | JeffM2501 | what file did you read in the bzflag distro? |
| 21:31.18 | javaJake | Oh.... forgot that one. |
| 21:31.25 | JeffM2501 | how coudl you forget it? |
| 21:31.33 | JeffM2501 | I told you to read it like 2 min ago? |
| 21:31.50 | javaJake | Oh.... didn't see that.... |
| 21:32.00 | JeffM2501 | you seem to miss many things |
| 21:32.05 | javaJake | I check back evry 5 minuets and read over just in case, but I didn't see that.... |
| 21:32.09 | javaJake | Sometimes I do. |
| 21:32.10 | Chestal | hmm, 2.0 CVS is broken for me right now, I can see no buildings. 2.1 CVS works |
| 21:34.27 | javaJake | The readme doesn't say a thing except that I need to install MinGW. |
| 21:34.33 | javaJake | And MSYS. |
| 21:34.41 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 21:34.51 | JeffM2501 | it says follow the instructions they come with |
| 21:35.41 | javaJake | Which I've done |
| 21:35.52 | javaJake | Or tried to |
| 21:36.01 | javaJake | I've given the link to the instructions above. |
| 21:36.09 | JeffM2501 | if you can't get past that step then you will have use there help systems |
| 21:36.15 | JeffM2501 | we are not experts in mingw |
| 21:36.41 | javaJake | I've got a simple question: |
| 21:36.59 | javaJake | Where do I get GCC? |
| 21:37.05 | JeffM2501 | dude |
| 21:37.07 | javaJake | Or the the GCC tarball |
| 21:37.09 | JeffM2501 | mingw IS gcc |
| 21:37.13 | javaJake | WHAT!? |
| 21:37.16 | javaJake | Oh. |
| 21:37.22 | javaJake | Why do they say |
| 21:37.22 | JeffM2501 | where do you keep seeing that you need gcc? |
| 21:37.26 | javaJake | to download that? |
| 21:37.35 | JeffM2501 | who is "they" ? |
| 21:37.43 | javaJake | "If you want to download the minimal set of tar.[gz|bz2] you will need the mingw-runtime, w32api, binutils and gcc tarball packages." |
| 21:37.57 | javaJake | http://www.mingw.org/download.shtml#hdr6 |
| 21:37.57 | JeffM2501 | you don't want the minimal |
| 21:38.02 | JeffM2501 | you want the full kit |
| 21:38.05 | javaJake | Bottom paragraph |
| 21:38.06 | javaJake | Right... |
| 21:38.13 | javaJake | So I start small and get big |
| 21:38.24 | javaJake | Or is there an EXE I'm missing... |
| 21:38.30 | javaJake | Again |
| 21:38.52 | javaJake | This whole thing is very aggrivating |
| 21:38.55 | JeffM2501 | well |
| 21:38.57 | javaJake | All I want to do is compile. |
| 21:39.10 | JeffM2501 | noone ever said building was simple |
| 21:39.21 | javaJake | True... you said that before. |
| 21:39.23 | javaJake | :) |
| 21:39.30 | JeffM2501 | if you want a point and click simple compile then you go with visual C++ |
| 21:39.39 | TD-Linux | building for windows is awfully horrible |
| 21:39.40 | javaJake | That's why I got Dev-CPP |
| 21:39.51 | javaJake | And you told me to get this. |
| 21:39.55 | JeffM2501 | but you know if you'd READ the instructions on pages, you'd see links to the mingw sf files site |
| 21:39.59 | JeffM2501 | that has ALL the files you need |
| 21:40.09 | javaJake | I did read the instructions |
| 21:40.09 | JeffM2501 | I told you this was the best way to build for free |
| 21:40.13 | javaJake | I read it |
| 21:40.17 | javaJake | I pasted it here |
| 21:40.20 | JeffM2501 | then you don't see the CGG package on the SF downloads page? |
| 21:40.22 | javaJake | I asked a simple question |
| 21:40.29 | javaJake | Because it isn't there! |
| 21:40.38 | JeffM2501 | really? |
| 21:40.42 | JeffM2501 | then how am I looking at it? |
| 21:40.43 | javaJake | really! |
| 21:40.49 | javaJake | BinUtisl |
| 21:40.50 | JeffM2501 | http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=2435 |
| 21:40.57 | javaJake | Windows API |
| 21:41.00 | JeffM2501 | go down to CURRENT |
| 21:41.01 | JeffM2501 | GCC |
| 21:41.03 | JeffM2501 | last Item |
| 21:41.24 | JeffM2501 | right under mingw utilitys |
| 21:41.27 | javaJake | MSYS is the last item |
| 21:41.31 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 21:41.34 | JeffM2501 | make is after that |
| 21:41.39 | JeffM2501 | under the CURRENT section |
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| 21:42.27 | javaJake | I ahte when I close windows... |
| 21:42.28 | javaJake | :P |
| 21:42.43 | javaJake | So eeneweys... Can you link me to this file? |
| 21:43.12 | JeffM2501 | I did |
| 21:43.20 | JeffM2501 | there are many versions of it |
| 21:43.28 | javaJake | I'm seeing BinUtils, Windows API, Runitme, Insight, and Mysys. |
| 21:43.32 | javaJake | Nothing else |
| 21:43.36 | javaJake | Oh.... |
| 21:43.37 | javaJake | Doy |
| 21:43.44 | javaJake | THere's an All Files button. |
| 21:43.57 | javaJake | How could I MISS that? |
| 21:43.58 | javaJake | ;) |
| 21:44.02 | JeffM2501 | that is why I told you to go down to CURRENT |
| 21:44.17 | javaJake | AHA! |
| 21:44.19 | javaJake | GOt it! |
| 21:44.22 | javaJake | Oh.... |
| 21:44.29 | javaJake | I didn't know I could scroll down |
| 21:44.32 | javaJake | Wow... |
| 21:44.41 | javaJake | The SF website is taking a little getting used to. |
| 21:45.08 | javaJake | So, in other words, if I get GCC, this is the full blown kit? |
| 21:47.07 | JeffM2501 | I don't know |
| 21:47.12 | javaJake | OK. |
| 21:47.13 | JeffM2501 | you'd have to follow there instructions |
| 21:47.18 | JeffM2501 | I personaly don't use mingw |
| 21:47.20 | javaJake | Alright |
| 21:47.26 | javaJake | What DO you use? |
| 21:47.27 | JeffM2501 | and we are not here to hold your hand on installing it |
| 21:47.31 | JeffM2501 | I use Visual C++ |
| 21:47.50 | JeffM2501 | if you don't have the knowledge to install your compiler then building the game is probably out of your leauge |
| 21:48.25 | javaJake | Actually, it isn't. But I have a hard time getting motivated about this stuff. Especially if it isn't needed. |
| 21:48.30 | javaJake | I'm doing this for a friend. |
| 21:48.39 | javaJake | But, at this point, I'm done with this project. |
| 21:48.56 | JeffM2501 | what mods are you making to the code? |
| 21:48.58 | javaJake | It is going to take too much time. |
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| 21:50.17 | JeffM2501 | awww, he didn't want to tell us about his cheat client |
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| 21:50.36 | javaJake | Sorry... the window got closed again |
| 21:50.43 | javaJake | Well, bye! |
| 21:50.49 | JeffM2501 | perhaps a real IRC client would be better for you |
| 21:51.00 | javaJake | Well, I'm using someone else's computer. |
| 21:51.02 | javaJake | So.... |
| 21:52.15 | javaJake | If you don't think I can't handle programming when I reeeeaaaallly feel the urge to wade through this stuff without help, then please visit http://fdgames.co.uk/simmworld/ |
| 21:52.35 | javaJake | That is a Java project. |
| 21:53.20 | javaJake | So, you may not like it |
| 21:53.23 | javaJake | Anyways... |
| 21:53.42 | javaJake | I don't want my friend's computer banned, so I'll go before we get too mad. :P |
| 21:53.44 | javaJake | TTYL |
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| 21:53.56 | SilentSwan | what the hell was that? |
| 21:56.12 | JeffM2501 | he's an idiot |
| 21:56.19 | JeffM2501 | friend of redsoxfan |
| 21:56.22 | JeffM2501 | comes and goes |
| 21:56.44 | JeffM2501 | tries to pimp his java stuff then gets mad when we arn't impressed like his other kiddy friends are |
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| 22:09.12 | Aribeth | sounds like a looser to me |
| 22:09.26 | JeffM2501 | just a kid like many others |
| 22:10.21 | Aribeth | yep |
| 22:13.49 | JeffM2501 | anyone know how I get cvs to auotmaicly generate the changelog? |
| 22:15.50 | JeffM2501 | ohh it just all moved to news |
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| 22:35.23 | SilentSwan | BearPerson, you around? |
| 22:35.52 | BearPerson | yeah, what's up? |
| 22:36.15 | SilentSwan | were you able to determine if that map issue was a client bug? |
| 22:36.23 | BearPerson | not quite |
| 22:36.26 | SilentSwan | ah ok |
| 22:36.31 | BearPerson | but I did determine how to fix it map-side |
| 22:36.36 | SilentSwan | oh? |
| 22:37.01 | BearPerson | you have a box with position something.16 and size something.84, iirc |
| 22:37.10 | SilentSwan | ok |
| 22:37.13 | BearPerson | 2.16 and 8.84 or something |
| 22:37.18 | BearPerson | make those 2 and 9 |
| 22:37.22 | SilentSwan | ah |
| 22:37.35 | BearPerson | shouldn't make any difference in the look and feel of the map, but remove the issue |
| 22:37.43 | JeffM2501 | is it where you get stuck in it? |
| 22:37.43 | SilentSwan | ok, i'll have a go |
| 22:37.46 | SilentSwan | yeah |
| 22:37.54 | JeffM2501 | are you on an AMD64? |
| 22:37.55 | BearPerson | yeah, where you keep falling into it, in a way |
| 22:37.57 | SilentSwan | i'll probably just blow that bit away and put something else there |
| 22:37.59 | SilentSwan | JeffM2501 yes |
| 22:38.07 | BearPerson | amd64 in 32 bit mode |
| 22:38.11 | BearPerson | (here) |
| 22:38.11 | JeffM2501 | you need to add -m64 IIRC to your compile |
| 22:38.16 | BearPerson | I can't |
| 22:38.17 | JeffM2501 | it's a known issue |
| 22:38.23 | SilentSwan | oh? hmm... |
| 22:38.25 | SilentSwan | i'll try that too |
| 22:38.26 | BearPerson | I can't build in 64 bits, I only have a 32 bit system |
| 22:38.33 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 22:38.43 | JeffM2501 | then you may continue to have issues |
| 22:38.47 | BearPerson | basically, there seems to be a rounding issue |
| 22:38.48 | JeffM2501 | there is a post on it, on the fourms |
| 22:38.53 | JeffM2501 | proably is |
| 22:39.00 | BearPerson | .2+.8 != .2 + .8 |
| 22:39.03 | JeffM2501 | why arn't you on a 64 OS |
| 22:39.07 | SilentSwan | CFLAGS=-O2 -pipe -march=athlon64 |
| 22:39.10 | SilentSwan | that's what i use |
| 22:39.13 | BearPerson | too lazy to throw one on |
| 22:39.22 | BearPerson | this is my main working desktop |
| 22:39.23 | JeffM2501 | let me find the thread |
| 22:39.44 | BearPerson | I'm looking into the source if I can whack anything to make it work regardless |
| 22:39.58 | JeffM2501 | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=59038#59038 |
| 22:40.21 | SilentSwan | well, since it appears to be client-related, i'd be best just blowing that section out of the map and/or changing it around a bit |
| 22:40.56 | BearPerson | that seems to not be this issue, that's the debian bug |
| 22:41.39 | BearPerson | this bug is the client falling, noticing it is hitting the building, placing on top of it, noticing it's above it, falling again, ... |
| 22:41.43 | BearPerson | I think |
| 22:42.55 | JeffM2501 | anything with map collisions is client based |
| 22:42.58 | BearPerson | now this is interesting: a half-optimized build has the bug, a non-optimized vanilla build doesn't |
| 22:43.15 | BearPerson | actually, a vanilla --enable-debug build |
| 22:43.23 | BearPerson | but then again, I think my main build has that too |
| 22:43.52 | BearPerson | might be related to -mfpmath=sse |
| 22:44.21 | JeffM2501 | BearPerson, it can have many effects |
| 22:44.40 | JeffM2501 | I have heard of many problems with 32bit builds on 64s |
| 22:44.56 | BearPerson | this is a clean ix86 system |
| 22:45.02 | BearPerson | no 64 bit libs anywhere |
| 22:45.18 | SilentSwan | ah, but i'm having the same issue with 64-bit build on amd64 |
| 22:45.32 | Tupone | SilentSwan: However having those box different high make it difficult to walk from one to another, even without bug |
| 22:45.39 | SilentSwan | yeah |
| 22:45.46 | Tupone | height :) |
| 22:46.07 | BearPerson | position=2.16, height=8.84 |
| 22:46.16 | BearPerson | has the exact same height as |
| 22:46.21 | BearPerson | position=2, height=9 |
| 22:46.26 | SilentSwan | well, diff. height isn't the issue... i can round it off like that |
| 22:46.27 | BearPerson | both (ought to) tip at 11 |
| 22:46.38 | SilentSwan | but i'll just make it simple and replace it with something else. |
| 22:46.53 | BearPerson | the trick is one doesn't need floating point calculations, and thus isn't susceptible to this bug |
| 22:46.55 | Tupone | eek, no wait to make floating point sum work the same |
| 22:47.06 | BearPerson | the sum _is_ the same |
| 22:47.22 | BearPerson | only that one involves many floating point digits and the other doesn't |
| 22:47.22 | Tupone | where? real world or quantized? |
| 22:47.46 | BearPerson | some fractions seem to be safe: .1 works, .2 doesn't, .16 doesn't, .25 does, .42 does, .4 doesn't |
| 22:48.20 | BearPerson | iirc |
| 22:49.22 | Tupone | we should round :/ I guess the code for the climbing could fix that |
| 22:49.49 | BearPerson | could |
| 22:50.13 | BearPerson | only start falling when you're >.00001 above the floor/building |
| 22:50.42 | BearPerson | only put back onto the building when you're >epsilon below the roof |
| 22:51.08 | BearPerson | basic lesson with floating point numbers: 0.1 != 0.1 |
| 22:51.12 | Tupone | I dunno the code anymore, I guess it is changed too much from the last time I look at there |
| 22:51.18 | BearPerson | the digit behind the last one is always different |
| 22:51.24 | BearPerson | I've been looking at it a bit |
| 22:51.56 | BearPerson | you always have to account for some "fuzz" when using floats |
| 22:52.03 | BearPerson | at least that's what I've learned |
| 22:53.10 | Tupone | 0.1 == 0.1 for sure on all machine, if that is the statement |
| 22:53.49 | Tupone | could be (0.1 + 0.01) - 0.01 is not 0.1 |
| 22:54.04 | Chestal | 0.1 is not representable with binary floating points, so this is kind of a bad example :-) |
| 22:54.08 | BearPerson | or (float)0.1 is not (double)0.1 |
| 22:54.21 | BearPerson | it is a perfect example exactly because of that :) |
| 22:54.29 | Chestal | but given a float a, storing a in b and then comparing, a==b must be true |
| 22:54.48 | BearPerson | as long as the two variables are of the same size |
| 22:54.52 | trepan | except NaN's :) |
| 22:54.59 | Chestal | but as soon as you do any calculations, test for equality is no longer a good idea |
| 22:55.14 | BearPerson | CPU register and memory double's not neccessarily equal in length, I guess |
| 22:55.24 | Chestal | even a=b+0.1; a==b+0.1 is a bad idea |
| 22:55.40 | Chestal | intermediates can have higher precision |
| 22:55.54 | BearPerson | I suppose we have to re-work the LocalPlayer.cxx a bit then |
| 22:56.11 | Chestal | but AFAIK they are not allowed to change value without calculation |
| 22:56.46 | Tupone | we could use interval math. j/k |
| 22:57.20 | JeffM2501 | when did this become #computermath ? :) |
| 22:58.07 | BearPerson | I just propose we leave some sort of margin when checking |
| 22:58.18 | JeffM2501 | probably a good idea |
| 22:58.25 | JeffM2501 | somone shoudl fix it :) |
| 22:58.41 | BearPerson | will try, sir! ;-) |
| 22:58.42 | trepan | na, rewrite it for more then one hit at a time |
| 22:58.47 | JeffM2501 | sir? |
| 22:58.48 | Chestal | I'm not sure how the code works, I somewhat understood an oooold version of it |
| 22:58.51 | JeffM2501 | I work for a living :) |
| 22:59.03 | BearPerson | trepan, hmm? |
| 22:59.27 | BearPerson | okay, it _is_ kindof complicated'ish |
| 23:00.32 | BearPerson | too many physicists and too few coders ;-) |
| 23:04.36 | BearPerson | yup |
| 23:04.53 | BearPerson | -mfpmath=sse is the cause of the rounding errors here |
| 23:06.14 | BearPerson | "The resulting code should be considerably faster in the majority of cases and avoid the numerical instability problems of 387 code, but may break some existing code that expects temporaries to be 80bit." |
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| 23:13.45 | Chestal | is there a tag for the 2.0.4 release in CVS? |
| 23:14.23 | Chestal | v2_0_4 seems to do the trick |
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