| 00:02.25 | Pimpi | elg: debian ppc? |
| 00:02.30 | Pimpi | apple box? |
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| 00:51.44 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/ (include/Protocol.h src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx): bzfs handle a NewPlayer msg for creating a new player on the same connection |
| 00:57.11 | elg | Pimpi: yes |
| 00:57.18 | elg | ibook |
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| 01:16.13 | BZBot | New news from opencombatproject: log more stuff. new grass. |
| 01:17.49 | Workaphobia | Any devs around? Either I'm just seriously confused, or this line in BzfJoystick.cxx just doesn't make sense: |
| 01:17.49 | Workaphobia | if (strcmp(joystickName, "off") && strcmp(joystickName, "")) { |
| 01:18.52 | lan56 | yeah that makes no sense |
| 01:18.56 | lan56 | what line number? |
| 01:19.03 | Workaphobia | it's right at the beginning |
| 01:19.15 | Workaphobia | I suppose it never caused problems because BzfJoystick is a base class |
| 01:20.37 | brlcad | meant to be a || |
| 01:20.38 | lan56 | it should be or |
| 01:20.46 | lan56 | heh |
| 01:20.54 | Workaphobia | that's what I thought. Cool, first instance I've seen of the whole "Many eyes" theory working. :) |
| 01:21.52 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03lan56 * 10bzflag/src/platform/BzfJoystick.cxx: && -> || |
| 01:21.59 | brlcad | ah, beat me to it |
| 01:22.13 | lan56 | heh I had the window open otherwise you probably would have beat me |
| 01:23.16 | Tupone | sure ? |
| 01:23.21 | Tupone | brlcad ? |
| 01:23.45 | brlcad | ahh |
| 01:23.49 | brlcad | good point Tupone |
| 01:24.13 | Tupone | strcmp == 0 means they are equal |
| 01:24.15 | brlcad | strcmp returns 0 on match |
| 01:24.18 | Tupone | and that is false |
| 01:24.20 | Tupone | :) |
| 01:24.30 | brlcad | should be explicit, imo |
| 01:24.32 | lan56 | ehh, though I beat you on the commit you ultimately won this race brlcad and tupone :) |
| 01:24.49 | Tupone | lol |
| 01:24.55 | lan56 | "slow and steady wins the race" |
| 01:25.07 | brlcad | if ((strcmp(jsn, "off") == 0) || (strcmp(jsn, "") == 0)) |
| 01:25.17 | Tupone | I approve |
| 01:25.36 | Tupone | well not |
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| 01:26.07 | Tupone | you ahve to put a ! in front then |
| 01:26.38 | elg | nah change it back to && |
| 01:26.51 | elg | with the explicits |
| 01:26.58 | Tupone | if ((strcmp(joystickName, "off") != 0) && (strcmp(joystickName, "") != 0)) { |
| 01:27.03 | lan56 | bbl |
| 01:27.13 | elg | that's the same as what brlcad said |
| 01:27.22 | elg | but longer :) |
| 01:27.24 | Tupone | naha |
| 01:27.37 | Tupone | && |
| 01:27.46 | Tupone | and != |
| 01:28.05 | Tupone | unless you change what is after the { |
| 01:28.16 | elg | a || b) |
| 01:28.20 | elg | oops |
| 01:29.23 | elg | you're right |
| 01:31.06 | Workaphobia | So it was correct originally? Oh well ;) |
| 01:33.09 | Tupone | ye |
| 01:33.18 | brlcad | the thousand and one eyes do show how it should probably be written more clearly |
| 01:33.19 | Tupone | now is broken |
| 01:33.48 | Tupone | lan56 has gone :/ |
| 01:33.52 | brlcad | ah, heh |
| 01:33.56 | brlcad | long wait |
| 01:38.24 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/platform/BzfJoystick.cxx: the intent was to match an unset/off joystickName, which is a strcmp result of 0 for either |
| 01:40.39 | Ice_Wewe | so THATS why it's busted........ |
| 01:40.55 | Ice_Wewe | ;) |
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| 02:01.18 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/platform/BzfJoystick.cxx: I guess this is even better |
| 02:02.31 | brlcad | better, pfft |
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| 02:14.34 | brlcad | eh, not only is it not better, I don't think it's right.. |
| 02:14.36 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:14.59 | brlcad | if that's the case, just checking the latter strcmp would be sufficient |
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| 02:18.33 | trepan | maybe some sort of genetic algorithm metaprogramming could help? |
| 02:20.25 | Workaphobia | that's interesting, it never occured to me that you can test for str == "" with !str |
| 02:22.46 | brlcad | you can't, that's not what !str tests |
| 02:22.50 | brlcad | it tests that str is not null |
| 02:24.36 | Workaphobia | I must be having a bad day then |
| 02:25.50 | Workaphobia | I was looking at the same line as before, but in DirectX's file: if (!joystickName || strcasecmp(joystickName, "off") == 0) { - so Bzf's joystick expects a null string but DX's expects a null pointer? |
| 02:26.08 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/platform/BzfJoystick.cxx: how many times can we botch up this lil init routine..mild revert since the previous only registered empty names.. if the name is null, 'off', or unset, don't init the name |
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| 02:30.00 | brlcad | Workaphobia: no |
| 02:30.08 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/platform/ (BzfJoystick.cxx DXJoystick.cxx): consistency between DXJoystick and BzfJoystick |
| 02:30.14 | brlcad | DX was doing it right |
| 02:30.37 | brlcad | making sure the name is not null or set to "off" (though not checking "") |
| 02:30.41 | brlcad | now they match |
| 02:30.46 | Workaphobia | Ah, ok. |
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| 03:43.20 | bz5703 | hello? |
| 03:43.31 | brlcad | nobody here but us chickens |
| 03:43.48 | bz5703 | where can i get a bad words file? |
| 03:43.57 | BenUrban | sonofa*** |
| 03:44.00 | brlcad | it's in the source distribution |
| 03:44.07 | brlcad | misc/ directory |
| 03:44.13 | bz5703 | in what folder? |
| 03:44.15 | bz5703 | ok |
| 03:44.28 | brlcad | there's a short and long version |
| 03:44.33 | bz5703 | ok |
| 03:44.35 | bz5703 | thanks |
| 03:44.38 | brlcad | if it's a slow machine, use the short |
| 03:45.42 | bz5703 | running hi end athlon 64 |
| 03:45.51 | bz5703 | whats the name of file? |
| 03:47.18 | bz5703 | ? |
| 03:51.00 | brlcad | oh cool, the last three episodes of Surface are in the iTunes video store already |
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| 03:52.13 | brlcad | maybe this weekend in my copious spare time |
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| 04:06.49 | trepan | http://trepan.bzflag.bz/noshow/sepia.jpg |
| 04:07.01 | trepan | a little noise and some crumpled edges might help |
| 04:07.19 | lan56 | that map looks interesting |
| 04:07.29 | lan56 | is it still under construction? |
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| 04:08.15 | bz5931 | where is sdout? |
| 04:08.17 | trepan | not mine... and i don't find it remotely interesting ;) |
| 04:08.53 | trepan | it's being hosted on badgerking's server (currently on top) |
| 04:08.57 | bz5931 | stdout* |
| 04:09.05 | lan56 | trepan: ahh I oughta check it out |
| 04:09.09 | lan56 | bz5931, what OS? |
| 04:09.13 | bz5931 | windows |
| 04:09.19 | lan56 | console window |
| 04:09.26 | bz5931 | ya bzfs |
| 04:09.33 | bz5931 | oh ok |
| 04:09.34 | lan56 | the window bzfs makes |
| 04:09.55 | bz5931 | how do i record whats in the ciounsol to a file? |
| 04:10.09 | bz5931 | excuse my spelling |
| 04:11.14 | lan56 | bzfs [OPTIONS] >> LOGFILE.NAME |
| 04:11.24 | bz5931 | ok thx |
| 04:11.44 | lan56 | [OPTIONS] being your bzfs options and usual command line, LOGFILE.NAME being the name of the file to log it to |
| 04:12.55 | bz5931 | what lvl of debug mode should i use? |
| 04:13.08 | lan56 | depends on what you want it to tell you |
| 04:13.16 | lan56 | there are 4 possible ones IIRC |
| 04:14.45 | bz5931 | i want IPs all messages (even commands) and reasons for crashes |
| 04:15.14 | wizatmac | use -dddd for *everything* |
| 04:15.32 | bz5931 | what is the most common mode? |
| 04:16.00 | bz5931 | for a logfile i mean |
| 04:16.10 | lan56 | all 4 |
| 04:16.10 | wizatmac | depends what you want to see |
| 04:16.16 | wizatmac | i'd log using -dddd |
| 04:16.26 | wizatmac | better to have too much than too little |
| 04:16.27 | bz5931 | ok |
| 04:16.58 | bz5931 | errrr... just tested -dddd too much information! |
| 04:17.11 | bz5931 | -ddd just right :D |
| 04:17.26 | bz5931 | thanks |
| 04:17.32 | lan56 | np |
| 04:17.49 | wizatmac | bz5931: try loggin with 3d's and 4d's for a while |
| 04:17.53 | wizatmac | and see which one you like better |
| 04:18.35 | bz5931 | i dont understand most of the information with 4d's |
| 04:21.53 | brlcad | trepan: cute |
| 04:22.02 | brlcad | how about non-photorealistic rendering next ;) |
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| 04:27.06 | trepan | brlcad: celshading looks much nicer with a frag shader |
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| 04:30.03 | brlcad | sure, i'm not picky ;) |
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| 05:00.36 | uso | Pimpi: what happened to viper? this server gets weird and weird, just got kicked for mouse and fire enhancements :) |
| 05:13.54 | Workaphobia | enhancements? Does this have to do with that whole instant acceleration thing? |
| 05:17.27 | conanhome | i read in forums that pimpi was going to do some test |
| 05:17.49 | conanhome | one viper server gonna permit ME, the other no |
| 05:22.49 | uso | the only "enhancement" i have is a smaller mousebox ;) |
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| 05:26.27 | Workaphobia | wonder how that affects joystick enhancements |
| 05:32.14 | uso | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:33.06 | Peaceful | the out-of-the box 2.0.4 bzflag (mac) starts up in an unsupported video mode. |
| 05:33.09 | Peaceful | suggestions? |
| 05:33.24 | uso | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:33.42 | Peaceful | I've got a 19" CRT that supports tons of resolutions, so it's rather unusual |
| 05:33.44 | uso | Peaceful: start it with -windows and set the video mode |
| 05:34.40 | Peaceful | uso: any idea what syntax to use on a mac? |
| 05:35.19 | uso | oops, it's -window |
| 05:35.29 | uso | something like: bzflag -window |
| 05:35.45 | Peaceful | hmmm... its a .app bundle |
| 05:35.55 | uso | don't know if it's exactly like this on a mac |
| 05:36.31 | wizatmac | Peaceful: an .app is just a folder |
| 05:36.41 | Peaceful | wizatmac: true, I found the binary |
| 05:36.43 | uso | or try to press F1 if you have started it, should switch into windowed mode |
| 05:36.56 | wizatmac | uso: nope, dosen't work on macs |
| 05:37.18 | uso | oh, i better be quite if it regards macs :) |
| 05:37.23 | Peaceful | unfortunately, by calling the binary manually with -window, it shows up, but won't accept input from my mouse or keyboard :( |
| 05:38.26 | Peaceful | hmm, using an absolute path doesn't change anything |
| 05:39.14 | Peaceful | When it starts up, my keystrokes show up in the terminal even when the bzflag window is focused |
| 05:39.17 | Peaceful | grrr |
| 05:39.55 | uso | hmm, you can try to edit the config file manually, there's a line with "set resolution ..." |
| 05:40.11 | uso | but don't ask me where to find the config file on a mac ;) |
| 05:40.12 | Peaceful | uso: sounds promising, what's the name of the config file? |
| 05:40.15 | Peaceful | doh |
| 05:40.21 | Peaceful | just the name of it would help |
| 05:40.39 | uso | it's config.cfg under linux |
| 05:41.06 | Peaceful | hmm, doesn't appear in the app bundle |
| 05:41.42 | Peaceful | I love spotlight. |
| 05:41.52 | Peaceful | $ mdfind config.cfg |
| 05:41.58 | Peaceful | /Users/nathan/Library/Application Support/BZFlag/2.0/config.cfg |
| 05:42.05 | uso | :) |
| 05:42.14 | Peaceful | 'course, slocate would have worked on my linux box too for a filename |
| 05:42.53 | Peaceful | holy options batman |
| 05:43.00 | Peaceful | what am I looking for here |
| 05:43.35 | Peaceful | WHAT THE FREAKING IDIOTIC DEFAULT IS THAT??? |
| 05:43.41 | Peaceful | et resolution "2304x1728 " |
| 05:43.46 | uso | lol |
| 05:44.06 | Peaceful | That's the straight-out-of-the-freaking-dmg-file default |
| 05:44.32 | wizatmac | not all of us have 30" apple screens! |
| 05:44.52 | uso | you should work on this :) |
| 05:44.57 | Peaceful | That's not the resolution of ANY apple display |
| 05:45.18 | Peaceful | I know, I've been drooling over them for years... |
| 05:45.30 | Peaceful | hmm, 1280x1024 doesn't work either |
| 05:45.39 | Peaceful | That's odd, I run everything at that |
| 05:45.50 | wizatmac | Peaceful: put it in at 640x480 |
| 05:45.52 | Peaceful | is there some wacky refresh rate option in there? |
| 05:45.58 | wizatmac | it *should* run it |
| 05:46.25 | Peaceful | what the heck....it's back to 2304x1728 |
| 05:47.14 | wizatmac | Peaceful: try deleting the config file |
| 05:47.17 | uso | you have stopped bzflag while editing the config file? |
| 05:47.19 | Peaceful | yay, 640x480 worked |
| 05:47.24 | wizatmac | good |
| 05:47.48 | uso | so you have a start :) |
| 05:48.01 | Peaceful | then I set it to 1280x1024 with the gui and it worked |
| 05:48.30 | Peaceful | uso, yes it was stopped, it didn't like 1280x1024 the first time and overwrote it with the IDIOTIC DEFAULT |
| 05:48.43 | Peaceful | of course, I shouldn't be too hard on the mac packager |
| 05:48.57 | Peaceful | I've done stupider things than that before :P |
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| 06:22.55 | learner | Peaceful, it's not a bz default |
| 06:23.10 | learner | it's using what your video display has reported as the 'default' |
| 06:23.19 | learner | for better or worse |
| 06:24.18 | learner | running the aqua binary directly where it doesn't accept keyboard input was a known issue and is already fixed, though not in 7.0.4 -- it was fixed later and should be in the next release |
| 06:24.29 | learner | it was a bug in one of the packages that bzflag uses (sdl) |
| 06:25.14 | learner | and wizatmac was incorrect saying F1 doesn't work, it does or at least should work for switching to windowed mode |
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| 07:05.13 | JeffM2501 | yay for x-mass partys |
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| 08:03.23 | LePoulpe303 | hi all |
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| 08:32.14 | tokimi | have there been any reports of bzflag not working on an AMD 64 with windows? |
| 08:34.27 | trepan | what's the specific prob? |
| 08:35.46 | tokimi | when i try to run bzflag.exe |
| 08:35.54 | tokimi | it crashes strait to desktop |
| 08:36.31 | trepan | ah, severe then ;) |
| 08:36.42 | tokimi | yeah..... |
| 08:37.04 | trepan | see if you can get a winny dev to help you debug it, the *nix amd64's also seem to have probs, but not of the crashing variety |
| 08:37.21 | tokimi | =\ |
| 08:37.35 | tokimi | how about evil windows |
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| 13:44.39 | poggyboy | how can i make my public server |
| 13:44.41 | poggyboy | ??? |
| 13:48.59 | brlcad | step 1: have patience |
| 13:49.41 | BearPerson | :) |
| 13:51.07 | Silver[a] | lol |
| 13:53.18 | _Manu_ | step 2: have luck |
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| 16:51.02 | bz9946 | Hi |
| 16:54.11 | menotume | ~pw , orange |
| 16:54.12 | ibot | ACTION Patches are always welcome, , orange |
| 16:54.31 | orange | , , thanks |
| 16:54.31 | menotume | :D |
| 16:54.55 | orange | and, bug reports, are they welcome, too? |
| 16:55.00 | orange | not as welcome as patches, I'm sure |
| 16:55.02 | _Manu_ | :) |
| 16:58.17 | bz9946 | How do you disable the radar? is it -set _radarLimit 0? |
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| 17:03.05 | bz9946 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:06.42 | learner | something like that |
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| 17:39.47 | Peaceful | learner: (in reply to your comments from last night) Why would my "video display" report 2304x1728 as default? I'm using a 19"-inch CRT manufactured in 2000, so it's definitely not reporting being capable of anything that high. I've run several dozen other games (open-source, proprietary, and home-made) and never encountered this type of situation. I can confirm that F1 works fine for me. |
| 17:40.57 | Peaceful | learner: Actually, 2304x1728 sounds like the max-resolution supported by my video card. Maybe bzflag (on the mac) is inadvertently using the 'max' value, instead of the 'default' value. |
| 17:44.24 | learner | that very well could be |
| 17:44.35 | learner | though bz only relies upon what sdl tells it is a valid resolution |
| 17:44.42 | learner | we don't exactly pick it |
| 17:44.56 | Peaceful | could be a mac-sdl bug then |
| 17:45.36 | learner | through an sdl call, we access a routine that basically probes the video driver for us |
| 17:45.38 | learner | could be |
| 17:45.43 | learner | there are several mac-sdl bugs |
| 17:46.07 | learner | like the "not responding to keyboard events except to console" bug you noticed |
| 17:46.21 | learner | when running windowed from terminal |
| 17:46.29 | learner | that was an sdl-bug only recently fixed |
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| 18:03.03 | JeffM2501 | on what kind of display? |
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| 18:09.23 | JeffM2501 | how does one find the local IP of a linux system when it's using dhcp? |
| 18:11.46 | orchid | JeffM2501: ifconfig |
| 18:12.06 | JeffM2501 | is it possible fedora dosn't have that? |
| 18:12.08 | orchid | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:12.15 | JeffM2501 | ahh sbin |
| 18:12.17 | orchid | or your not root |
| 18:12.17 | JeffM2501 | let me try that |
| 18:12.19 | JeffM2501 | thanks |
| 18:13.00 | orange | or ip address show |
| 18:13.02 | orange | if you have it |
| 18:13.10 | JeffM2501 | stupid thing dosn't ahve me in sudoers :( |
| 18:13.17 | JeffM2501 | realy shoudl repalce it |
| 18:13.22 | orange | you shouldn't need root to view ifconfig data |
| 18:13.31 | JeffM2501 | on FC4 it did |
| 18:13.40 | orange | bah |
| 18:13.44 | JeffM2501 | why I installed FC I have no clue |
| 18:13.47 | orange | how about 'ip address show" ? |
| 18:13.50 | Aribeth | heh |
| 18:14.08 | orchid | nmap -sP 192.168.0.1/24 might work too |
| 18:14.15 | orange | gentoo :-) |
| 18:14.20 | JeffM2501 | ip command not found |
| 18:14.31 | JeffM2501 | Aribeth, gentoo and myself batle much |
| 18:14.40 | Aribeth | i know |
| 18:14.41 | JeffM2501 | it does not like me |
| 18:14.51 | orange | /sbin/ip address show |
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| 18:14.58 | JeffM2501 | ubantu seems to be the nice one for me now |
| 18:15.04 | Aribeth | good |
| 18:15.29 | Aribeth | runescape didn't like me 2 days ago |
| 18:15.31 | Aribeth | :( |
| 18:15.45 | JeffM2501 | did you 2 have a falling out? |
| 18:15.49 | Aribeth | i ran into a pac of mean natives |
| 18:16.06 | Aribeth | and died before i could teleport out |
| 18:16.43 | JeffM2501 | man I hate when I can't teleport |
| 18:16.46 | Aribeth | heh, my own fault |
| 18:17.02 | Aribeth | they had javlins, and they hurt |
| 18:17.21 | Aribeth | i thought i was in the clear, but no |
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| 18:18.46 | Aribeth | i lost quite a few things :( |
| 18:18.59 | JeffM2501 | what is there death penalty? |
| 18:19.19 | Aribeth | ya, you only get to keep your 3 most valuable things |
| 18:19.26 | JeffM2501 | oh damn |
| 18:19.32 | Aribeth | that you are carring |
| 18:19.35 | JeffM2501 | that's harsh |
| 18:19.38 | Aribeth | ya |
| 18:19.43 | JeffM2501 | way harsher then the others |
| 18:19.54 | Aribeth | i raised 250K to replace most of it |
| 18:19.59 | Aribeth | ya |
| 18:20.13 | JeffM2501 | in eq2, you get experience debt, a 10 min debuf that 1/2s your stats, and a 10% durability hit to your crap |
| 18:20.32 | Aribeth | ahh |
| 18:20.39 | Aribeth | what is it in wow |
| 18:21.09 | JeffM2501 | in WoW you you have 2 choices, take a run as a ghost back to your body and take a 10% durability hit |
| 18:21.11 | Aribeth | in runescape you keep your stats |
| 18:21.19 | JeffM2501 | or have the spirt guide res you there for a 50% hit |
| 18:21.29 | JeffM2501 | repairs are cheap |
| 18:21.36 | Aribeth | ahh |
| 18:21.49 | JeffM2501 | eq2 does the debuf just so you don't keep trying something and dying |
| 18:21.52 | JeffM2501 | to exploit |
| 18:21.58 | Aribeth | ahh |
| 18:22.32 | JeffM2501 | debt is the common way to do death now |
| 18:22.34 | JeffM2501 | not item loss |
| 18:22.35 | Aribeth | it wasnt hatd to replace most things in runescape |
| 18:23.22 | Aribeth | and i upgraded mu aurmor while i was at it |
| 18:23.36 | Aribeth | eek, i cant type today |
| 18:23.39 | JeffM2501 | still that's old school munckin harsh |
| 18:23.47 | Aribeth | yep |
| 18:23.53 | JeffM2501 | they must not have a stable economy |
| 18:24.02 | JeffM2501 | since they are using that as there cash sink |
| 18:24.03 | Aribeth | i dont know |
| 18:24.15 | Aribeth | maybe |
| 18:24.18 | JeffM2501 | in the mmorpgs, you have to have a way to take money out of the system |
| 18:24.23 | JeffM2501 | everone finds there own way |
| 18:24.42 | Aribeth | right now i mine rune essence for money |
| 18:25.24 | Aribeth | once i get to a certin level in smithing i will be able to make aurmor and sell ot for 50-60K each |
| 18:26.40 | Aribeth | and i wont have to mine so much |
| 18:50.44 | JeffM2501 | I think yoiu'd like the crafting in eq2 |
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| 19:03.56 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, ping |
| 19:14.53 | Silver[a] | Who's a DNS guru? |
| 19:18.44 | orange | there seems to be a bug where some players survive geno |
| 19:19.05 | orange | has anybody else seen this? |
| 19:20.43 | orange | I witnessed it, and it wasn't a cheater, it was a player well-known to us, who had just downloaded latest beta |
| 19:21.05 | orange | and another player, who was surprised and said he'd survived geno, too, so doubtful he'd be admitting to it |
| 19:21.10 | orange | if he were cheating :-) |
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| 19:22.28 | BZBot | New news from opencombatproject: have to spell it right to make it work || newlines at the end of headers || makefile bugs |
| 19:25.06 | _Manu_ | orange, I saw it in 1.10 but it was because net problems |
| 19:26.00 | orange | perhaps this was, too, but it was a cvs server built about 3 days ago, and the latest beta client |
| 19:26.09 | orange | windows |
| 19:26.19 | JeffM2501 | you can only guess unless you know how it happend |
| 19:26.22 | JeffM2501 | or can duplicate it |
| 19:26.31 | orange | knowing *that* it happened is a start |
| 19:26.38 | JeffM2501 | if the client never got the geno message it simply would't happen |
| 19:26.52 | _Manu_ | and probably it's due a net problem |
| 19:26.54 | JeffM2501 | maybe they had high packetloss |
| 19:26.56 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 19:27.09 | orange | no packet loss on any player at the time, as recorded by lagstats anyway |
| 19:27.21 | JeffM2501 | all you can do is guess |
| 19:27.25 | JeffM2501 | can you duplicate it? |
| 19:27.37 | _Manu_ | also can happens the player respawned before the genocide message |
| 19:27.55 | orange | well, yeah, all we can do is guess, but isn't it useful to know it happened? |
| 19:28.00 | _Manu_ | then from your point of view he doesn't die |
| 19:28.02 | orange | _Manu_: that wasn't the case here |
| 19:28.05 | JeffM2501 | yeah, if they are "dead" during the geno being sent out |
| 19:28.11 | orange | both players who did not die knew they should have |
| 19:28.17 | JeffM2501 | I"m sure there a holes in many of th message logics |
| 19:28.24 | JeffM2501 | same for the flag cap kill |
| 19:28.29 | orange | now, JeffM2501, watch your language :-) |
| 19:28.58 | JeffM2501 | the real solution is to move death code server side |
| 19:29.06 | JeffM2501 | then it's not dependent on a net path |
| 19:29.10 | _Manu_ | and iirc nothing changed about genocide |
| 19:29.15 | orange | but one of them was a player I was battling with at the time.. he had WG and I had ST... his team got geno'ed, and then he ended up killing me and driving on, still holding the geno flag |
| 19:29.21 | orange | this is not a case of mistaken observation |
| 19:29.32 | JeffM2501 | we arn't saying it is |
| 19:29.41 | JeffM2501 | we are saying there are cases where that can happen |
| 19:29.50 | JeffM2501 | but if you can't dupe it there isn't much to do about it |
| 19:30.06 | orange | haven't tried yet... just started by asking if anyone else had seen it |
| 19:30.16 | _Manu_ | viper has genocide, and I never saw it in 2.0 |
| 19:52.41 | BZBot | New news from opencombatproject: time needs a param it seems || add default cases, gcc likes that || copy texture IDs, it makes GCC happier |
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| 21:06.53 | JeffM2501 | why do people get mad when we won't let them use the CGIIRC to to abbouse other servers? |
| 21:07.06 | orange | consider the source |
| 21:07.33 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 21:08.24 | ToughShooter | "CGIIRC" can't be used to talk in the freenet channel, either |
| 21:08.34 | ToughShooter | err,freenode |
| 21:08.49 | Aribeth | hello TS |
| 21:08.49 | JeffM2501 | it can't be used on any channel other then the ones we set it up for |
| 21:09.12 | ToughShooter | Hi Aribeth |
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| 21:24.33 | BZBot | New news from opencombatproject: clean up warnings ( unused variables, default cases ), and errors ( refrences to... || clean up warnings ( unused variables, default cases ), and errors ( refrences to... |
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| 23:09.48 | JeffM2501 | is there anyway to have a makefile log to a file and show in the display? |
| 23:10.17 | trepan | tee |
| 23:10.32 | JeffM2501 | how does it work? |
| 23:10.43 | trepan | man tee |
| 23:12.07 | Aribeth | its tee time |
| 23:12.12 | JeffM2501 | and I could put that in the makefile right if I wanted it to dl it all the time? |
| 23:13.33 | JeffM2501 | hmm... does gcc output go to stderr or stdout? |
| 23:14.15 | Workaphobia | not sure, but I know you can't pipe it to less to view it |
| 23:14.42 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
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| 23:23.22 | JeffM2501 | so... many.....warnings....... |
| 23:25.33 | BZBot | New news from opencombatproject: fix problems for gcc |
| 23:27.17 | devster | JeffM2501: is it enough to use --program-suffix=-old to build an old version of bzflag and have it installed alongside a newer version? |
| 23:27.46 | JeffM2501 | I don't know |
| 23:28.00 | JeffM2501 | in linux there is one shared place for the data files |
| 23:28.03 | JeffM2501 | so they may confilct |
| 23:29.17 | devster | hm so its best to use --prefix ? |
| 23:29.26 | JeffM2501 | again I don't know in linux |
| 23:29.47 | JeffM2501 | in linux it's more then just the app name |
| 23:29.50 | JeffM2501 | it's also the data dir |
| 23:30.04 | JeffM2501 | it depends on what versions are are talking about |
| 23:30.09 | JeffM2501 | and how dif there data dirs are |
| 23:30.21 | JeffM2501 | 2.0 uses a difrent data dir layout then 1.10 |
| 23:30.21 | devster | 2.0.x and 1.x |
| 23:30.30 | JeffM2501 | yeah they have difrent resources |
| 23:30.35 | JeffM2501 | 2.0 can't work on a 1.10 data dir |
| 23:30.42 | devster | ok |
| 23:30.43 | JeffM2501 | and 1.10 can't work on a 2.0 |
| 23:30.51 | JeffM2501 | if you don't install them |
| 23:30.51 | devster | yep yep |
| 23:31.03 | JeffM2501 | and runt hem from there own dirs, with self contained data dirs then you'd be ok |
| 23:31.18 | devster | yea guess so |
| 23:31.21 | devster | off to try it :) |
| 23:31.26 | JeffM2501 | anyone know what file declares "FALSE" ? |
| 23:32.05 | JeffM2501 | bahh stupid network develiopers |
| 23:38.59 | menotume | FALSE is defined in about 30 headrs in my /usr/include |
| 23:39.13 | JeffM2501 | the devs mixed FALSE and false |
| 23:39.21 | menotume | lol |
| 23:39.24 | JeffM2501 | I just didn't realise it |
| 23:40.37 | JeffM2501 | raknet has a complete TON of warnings :( |
| 23:42.52 | menotume | /usr/include/bfd.h:#define false dont_use_false_in_bfd :D |
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| 23:55.41 | BZBot | New news from opencombatproject: more gcc error fixes |
