| 00:00.05 | _FantasticFoo_ | why is the latest CVS called "2.1.5"? wouldn't it be 2.0.5? |
| 00:00.20 | blast007 | it's not compatible with 2.0.x |
| 00:00.24 | _FantasticFoo_ | ahh |
| 00:00.34 | JeffM2501 | cvs has 2 lines |
| 00:00.34 | blast007 | if you want compatible, get the v2_0branch |
| 00:00.37 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 00:00.40 | JeffM2501 | head and that branch |
| 00:00.50 | JeffM2501 | head the 2.1.x line is dev for 2.2.0 |
| 00:01.21 | _FantasticFoo_ | i get it |
| 00:02.26 | _FantasticFoo_ | sweet. not being compatible with the stable version most likely means new, cool, ideas |
| 00:03.03 | Tupone | _FantasticFoo_: not any graphical change |
| 00:03.21 | JeffM2501 | right now it's mostly backend stuff |
| 00:03.27 | _FantasticFoo_ | that's cool too. |
| 00:03.41 | _FantasticFoo_ | hmm. |
| 00:03.44 | JeffM2501 | and techincaly could be less graphical, since some graphical changes have gone into 2.0.5, and may not have bene rolled up yet |
| 00:03.49 | _FantasticFoo_ | still get the error with the latest stable SDL |
| 00:04.07 | JeffM2501 | it looks like your SDL isn't right for your archetexture or wasn't configured right |
| 00:04.17 | _FantasticFoo_ | you're working on two devel versions at the same time? |
| 00:04.22 | _FantasticFoo_ | 2.1 and 2.0.5 |
| 00:04.22 | _FantasticFoo_ | ? |
| 00:04.33 | blast007 | yeah |
| 00:04.35 | _FantasticFoo_ | JeffM2501: works with stable bzflag. |
| 00:04.41 | JeffM2501 | some people are still puting stuff into 2.0.5 |
| 00:04.58 | JeffM2501 | _FantasticFoo_, did you rerun autogen and configure and all that? |
| 00:05.08 | _FantasticFoo_ | JeffM2501: no |
| 00:05.12 | _FantasticFoo_ | JeffM2501: i reconfigured |
| 00:05.13 | JeffM2501 | I'd try that |
| 00:05.16 | _FantasticFoo_ | k |
| 00:06.52 | _FantasticFoo_ | so what are you aiming to improve, with this 2.1.5 |
| 00:07.26 | blast007 | more cheat preventions, for one |
| 00:07.35 | _FantasticFoo_ | nice. |
| 00:07.39 | JeffM2501 | there isn't realy a plan, mostly just what people put in |
| 00:07.50 | _FantasticFoo_ | oh |
| 00:07.52 | _FantasticFoo_ | i see. |
| 00:07.54 | JeffM2501 | every developer has there own plan |
| 00:08.00 | JeffM2501 | there are common things we'd all like to see |
| 00:08.08 | JeffM2501 | like the cheat stuff |
| 00:08.15 | JeffM2501 | but it's not like there is a feature requirements doc |
| 00:08.18 | trepan | anyone else ever tried 2.0.5 cvs in an amd64 system? |
| 00:08.29 | _FantasticFoo_ | wouldn't that get sorta disorganized if there was no plan? like everybody randomly adding code. |
| 00:08.49 | JeffM2501 | welcome to bzflag :) |
| 00:08.51 | blast007 | lol |
| 00:08.51 | trepan | seems very 'choppy', 1-3 temporal fluctuations every second (could be a bad time, task switching, etc...) |
| 00:08.53 | _FantasticFoo_ | heh |
| 00:09.07 | trepan | amd64/x2 in this case |
| 00:09.07 | JeffM2501 | trepan, mine ran fine |
| 00:09.15 | JeffM2501 | I can try current when I get hoome |
| 00:09.20 | JeffM2501 | now that network is back on it |
| 00:09.45 | JeffM2501 | _FantasticFoo_, there arn't that many developers so it's not that bad |
| 00:09.56 | _FantasticFoo_ | heeh |
| 00:09.57 | JeffM2501 | most are here and talk and stuff |
| 00:10.27 | brad2901 | aren't there like 63 devs? :) |
| 00:10.40 | JeffM2501 | yeah right |
| 00:10.46 | trepan | there's no real direction, nobody's willing to jump in and do the big stuff, it's a mess =) |
| 00:12.37 | JeffM2501 | I still say it's constant fear of fearless |
| 00:13.07 | DTRemenak | lack of time |
| 00:13.16 | JeffM2501 | that is another big thing |
| 00:13.24 | JeffM2501 | many devs are side time devs |
| 00:13.37 | DTRemenak | volunteers rarely have enough time to really redo big stuff |
| 00:13.40 | JeffM2501 | how go finals dtremenak? |
| 00:13.43 | DTRemenak | done |
| 00:13.46 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 00:13.53 | JeffM2501 | do you fear the drive back to dialup? |
| 00:14.00 | DTRemenak | now I'm just working on getting my car running so I can go home |
| 00:14.02 | DTRemenak | heck yeah |
| 00:14.13 | JeffM2501 | poor dialup |
| 00:14.13 | DTRemenak | dialup sucks |
| 00:14.17 | _FantasticFoo_ | oooh yeah |
| 00:14.21 | _FantasticFoo_ | used to have dialup |
| 00:14.21 | JeffM2501 | maybe if you run a REALY long wire |
| 00:14.36 | blast007 | my cable modem was getting dialup speeds earlier this morning :P |
| 00:15.20 | DTRemenak | blast007: my dialup doesn't even get dialup speeds :P |
| 00:15.24 | blast007 | hehe |
| 00:15.44 | _FantasticFoo_ | DTRemenak: how come ya gotta use dialuP? |
| 00:15.53 | DTRemenak | _FantasticFoo_: rural area |
| 00:15.57 | DTRemenak | nothing else is available |
| 00:15.59 | _FantasticFoo_ | DTRemenak: ahh. |
| 00:16.03 | DTRemenak | 'cept satellite |
| 00:16.08 | DTRemenak | and that is expensive AND sucks |
| 00:16.12 | _FantasticFoo_ | which is uber expensive |
| 00:16.12 | blast007 | which would be worse :) |
| 00:16.13 | _FantasticFoo_ | yeah |
| 00:16.22 | DTRemenak | laggier and stupid download caps |
| 00:16.43 | _FantasticFoo_ | what are download caps? |
| 00:17.07 | DTRemenak | most satellite places have a contract clause that says something like "you can't download more than 300mb per day" |
| 00:17.16 | _FantasticFoo_ | wow |
| 00:17.17 | _FantasticFoo_ | that sucks |
| 00:17.18 | DTRemenak | if you do, they cut you off for the rest of the day |
| 00:17.27 | DTRemenak | yeah, no kidding |
| 00:17.35 | JeffM2501 | make your parents move |
| 00:17.40 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 00:17.48 | JeffM2501 | fire is a great way to motivate |
| 00:17.50 | _FantasticFoo_ | oh great. my parents are planning to move to montana |
| 00:17.52 | DTRemenak | me moving is more likely :) |
| 00:17.52 | _FantasticFoo_ | now i'm excited |
| 00:18.04 | DTRemenak | ooh, fire |
| 00:18.07 | JeffM2501 | dtremenak looking for off campus? |
| 00:18.16 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: not yet, no |
| 00:18.28 | JeffM2501 | one more year of dorms? |
| 00:18.47 | DTRemenak | no, it's not required. just don't see much of a reason to move |
| 00:18.54 | DTRemenak | get fast internet here :) |
| 00:18.57 | JeffM2501 | yeah, why leave the fat pipe |
| 00:18.59 | DTRemenak | really fast :) |
| 00:20.25 | JeffM2501 | I'm pondering taking my new crap PC to AZ with me. that way if I want to work on GPx01 I have to make sure linux works :) |
| 00:29.24 | JeffM2501 | asuming I can get all the packages on it |
| 00:31.33 | trepan | JeffM2501: could you log 'printf("%f\n", dt);fflush(stdout);' when you try the x86_64/x2 bz? |
| 00:31.44 | JeffM2501 | when I get home yeah |
| 00:32.02 | JeffM2501 | but there is free dinner and beer offerd tonight |
| 00:32.11 | JeffM2501 | so it may be a bit................ |
| 00:33.19 | trepan | i'm getting negatives, and and some context switching blips (around 25ms) that seem to correspond with the glitches |
| 00:39.43 | JeffM2501 | I'm gonna run home to get clean before dinner, I'll fire it up and run it there, just tell me the command when I log back in |
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| 01:07.31 | brlcad | intelligentcode:/archive/BZ/jeffm/GPx01 sean$ ./gpd |
| 01:07.31 | brlcad | Server Starting |
| 01:07.31 | brlcad | 2005-12-19,20:6:13 Server starting up |
| 01:07.31 | brlcad | 2005-12-19,20:6:13 Version V.0.0.1.DEVELOPMENT.RELEASE "Lithium Flower" b.0001 |
| 01:07.50 | JeffM2501 | wow |
| 01:08.01 | JeffM2501 | now if only it did anything :) |
| 01:08.06 | brlcad | :) |
| 01:08.24 | brlcad | fixed all the warnings except for a slew in raknet |
| 01:09.06 | JeffM2501 | I'm woried about raknet |
| 01:09.10 | brlcad | but it should build the client and server now outright on a make |
| 01:09.17 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 01:09.18 | JeffM2501 | thanks |
| 01:09.19 | brlcad | presuming the include paths are set right in the Makefile |
| 01:09.26 | brlcad | top level makefile |
| 01:09.34 | JeffM2501 | for the font stuff? |
| 01:09.42 | JeffM2501 | did you ever try fmod on mac? |
| 01:09.46 | brlcad | not yet |
| 01:10.18 | brlcad | ftgl was a pita to compile/install, but eventually got that working |
| 01:10.41 | JeffM2501 | I'm wondering if I should just include the code for ftgl in the project |
| 01:10.45 | JeffM2501 | it seems rare enough |
| 01:11.35 | brlcad | his xcode project was totally horked |
| 01:11.52 | JeffM2501 | I could actualy strip out code from it too |
| 01:11.58 | JeffM2501 | I only use 1 font type |
| 01:12.43 | brlcad | that what you're using to get font rendering? |
| 01:12.52 | brlcad | what led you to it? |
| 01:12.55 | JeffM2501 | just the texture font |
| 01:12.58 | JeffM2501 | tupone actualy |
| 01:13.34 | JeffM2501 | ftgl was the one he tried in bzflag |
| 01:13.34 | brlcad | texture font? :) |
| 01:13.34 | JeffM2501 | it's one of the classes in ftgl |
| 01:13.34 | JeffM2501 | ftgl does it's own texture loading |
| 01:13.47 | JeffM2501 | what dosn't work for you is my texture loader |
| 01:14.17 | JeffM2501 | ftgl uses freetype to make it's own textures from true type fonts |
| 01:14.23 | brlcad | but i mean, is ftgl renderingt he font here? http://beta.bzflag.bz/tmp/gpmenu.jpg |
| 01:14.42 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 01:14.47 | JeffM2501 | it loaded the font in the data dir |
| 01:14.56 | JeffM2501 | and rendered it to an internal texture |
| 01:15.05 | JeffM2501 | what dosnt' work for you is my png reader |
| 01:15.05 | brlcad | ahhh, that kind of "texture font" |
| 01:15.10 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:15.16 | JeffM2501 | not a BZ type one |
| 01:15.22 | brlcad | i thought you meant a font that had a texture mapping |
| 01:15.53 | JeffM2501 | it's rendered as a texture, so it's very fast |
| 01:16.06 | JeffM2501 | ftgl also provides kerning info direclty from the ttf |
| 01:16.08 | JeffM2501 | it's very nice |
| 01:16.18 | JeffM2501 | it'll only render characters that you use |
| 01:17.30 | brlcad | which will usually be all letters eventually ;) |
| 01:17.38 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:17.45 | JeffM2501 | I preload it with the common low end ascii ones |
| 01:17.50 | brlcad | but presuming it caches the textures and what not.. sounds like a win |
| 01:18.02 | JeffM2501 | yeah so far I like it |
| 01:18.12 | JeffM2501 | but it's not realy maintained |
| 01:18.18 | brlcad | shame |
| 01:18.30 | JeffM2501 | so I've been thingking of striping out what I don't need, and just puting it in as a static lib |
| 01:18.37 | JeffM2501 | that way people won't ahve to find it |
| 01:18.56 | brlcad | fortunately it's only dep is freetype too |
| 01:19.01 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:19.10 | JeffM2501 | trepan, I'm building 2.0.x right now |
| 01:19.13 | brlcad | though that's a fairly big dep in itself, but mostly common |
| 01:19.20 | JeffM2501 | I'll let you know when it's done |
| 01:19.34 | JeffM2501 | does OSX come with freetype? |
| 01:20.04 | trepan | JeffM2501: k, 'printf("%f\n", dt);fflush(stdout);' just before the '// end main client loop' in playing.cxx |
| 01:20.18 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 01:20.26 | JeffM2501 | I'll let it build then try it |
| 01:20.36 | trepan | the 'dt' blips are definitely causing the effect |
| 01:20.40 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, the only other thing I can think of doing is something like I did for BZ |
| 01:21.40 | brlcad | JeffM2501: yes, it includes freetype2 .. /usr/X11R6/lib/libfreetype.* |
| 01:21.51 | brlcad | and even not tied to X11, though that's where they put it |
| 01:21.52 | JeffM2501 | on windows I have to set BZ to have a single affinity to a CPU or many games "blip" |
| 01:22.01 | brlcad | though I think you do have to install X11 to get it |
| 01:22.10 | JeffM2501 | freetype is easy to get on windows |
| 01:22.42 | trepan | JeffM2501: yup, was going to try and play with cpusets, but it seems to be sticking to 1 cpu |
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| 01:38.48 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, see I'm torn betweeen dependency hand having a suckyer font system |
| 01:38.54 | JeffM2501 | trepan, changes building now |
| 01:40.24 | brlcad | JeffM2501: snarfing them in and replacing their build (at least on the *nix side) would probably be good |
| 01:40.33 | JeffM2501 | trepan, yeah it's "whoopy" |
| 01:40.43 | trepan | jerky performance? |
| 01:40.48 | trepan | or just strange dt numbers? |
| 01:40.59 | JeffM2501 | dt is usaly in the 0.007 ti 0.008 range, but jumps up to 0.1 every so often |
| 01:41.07 | JeffM2501 | it feels like i go fast every so often |
| 01:41.30 | trepan | exactly what I get (except my normal blips are 0.036 or 0.068) |
| 01:42.12 | JeffM2501 | wierd |
| 01:42.15 | JeffM2501 | never noticed that before |
| 01:42.25 | JeffM2501 | had an older cvs tho |
| 01:43.09 | JeffM2501 | not that I play much |
| 01:43.16 | JeffM2501 | and not that I play much on linux |
| 01:43.27 | trepan | i'd compile a 2.0.4 if I thought it'd make a diff... sure you just didn't notice? |
| 01:44.32 | JeffM2501 | hard to remember |
| 01:45.25 | brlcad | i played bz on a windows box in 2.0.4 a month or two ago and noticed it being fairly jerky |
| 01:45.35 | brlcad | pretty decent hardware too (new laptop) |
| 01:45.51 | JeffM2501 | let me try windows on this machine, I got like 1/2 an hour |
| 01:48.21 | JeffM2501 | or maybe I don't |
| 01:48.25 | JeffM2501 | gotta go to dinner |
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| 01:48.30 | JeffM2501 | I'll try it when I get home |
| 01:48.38 | brlcad | sushi! |
| 01:48.52 | brlcad | hmm.. or subs |
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| 02:03.00 | brlcad | pizza flavored sushi subs? |
| 02:03.49 | orange | eel pizza |
| 02:07.45 | menotume | anchovies |
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| 03:08.31 | lan56 | and it works too |
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| 05:19.57 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, you must tell me you have a model of this mini tank I saw |
| 05:23.56 | JeffM2501 | if not trepan must model it :) |
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| 07:34.05 | SportChick | brlcad: ping |
| 07:34.11 | SportChick | JeffM2501: ping |
| 07:34.27 | SportChick | Tupone: pingalint |
| 07:34.29 | _Manu_ | wow SportChick :) |
| 07:34.34 | SportChick | hi _manu_ |
| 07:34.37 | SportChick | why wow? |
| 07:34.45 | _Manu_ | pinging everywhere |
| 07:34.49 | Tupone | ~seen mozul |
| 07:34.52 | ibot | mozul <n=Kirk@ca-redbch-cuda1-c3b-a-40.stmnca.adelphia.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 29d 4h 22m 13s ago, saying: 'going to try something else.'. |
| 07:34.52 | _Manu_ | and everyone :) |
| 07:34.57 | SportChick | _Manu_: do you know how to run a server locally? |
| 07:34.58 | Tupone | :/ |
| 07:35.01 | _Manu_ | buon giorno Tupone |
| 07:35.02 | SportChick | he's just rebooting, tupone |
| 07:35.03 | wizatcom | ~seen bdotson |
| 07:35.04 | ibot | bdotson <i=brian@pdpc/supporter/student/bdotson> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 5d 6h 54m 28s ago, saying: 'heh'. |
| 07:35.09 | Tupone | buon giorno |
| 07:35.11 | _Manu_ | yes |
| 07:35.16 | SportChick | ciao tupone |
| 07:35.20 | Tupone | ciao :) |
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| 07:35.56 | _Manu_ | SportChick, have you problems running a server? |
| 07:36.04 | SportChick | manu: I get errors |
| 07:36.07 | SportChick | Tupone: here he is |
| 07:36.10 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 07:36.19 | SportChick | let me see what error i get |
| 07:36.28 | SportChick | I'm sure i'm just doing it wrong |
| 07:36.41 | JeffM2501 | how are you doing it" |
| 07:37.14 | mozul | she's doing the in game server |
| 07:37.18 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 07:37.21 | JeffM2501 | not sure that works |
| 07:37.24 | Tupone | mozul: happy birthday |
| 07:37.25 | mozul | not the command line or seperate program |
| 07:37.27 | mozul | thanks |
| 07:37.42 | JeffM2501 | happy birthday |
| 07:37.52 | JeffM2501 | did she get you a cool video card? |
| 07:37.56 | mozul | I got Doom and BattleField 2. Now i need a new video card. |
| 07:38.06 | SportChick | It says the server is started, but when I connect, I get an error "error connecting to server" |
| 07:38.08 | JeffM2501 | 6800 gs |
| 07:38.11 | mozul | not yet, but christmas is in a week. |
| 07:38.35 | JeffM2501 | run it by directly double clicking on it |
| 07:38.37 | _Manu_ | SportChick, do you connect to localhost port 5154? |
| 07:38.40 | JeffM2501 | see if you can connect to it then |
| 07:38.53 | SportChick | yes |
| 07:39.02 | JeffM2501 | the in game one dosnt' work right on windows IIRC |
| 07:39.05 | SportChick | _Manu_: that's the server & port, but I get an error |
| 07:39.09 | SportChick | JeffM2501: pfft |
| 07:39.14 | _Manu_ | and to running the server, have you tried 'bzfs' simply? |
| 07:39.17 | SportChick | then what good is it? |
| 07:39.29 | SportChick | _Manu_: I don't know what that means |
| 07:39.40 | JeffM2501 | windows dosn't put it in the path |
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| 07:39.45 | mozul | if I start bzfs on my computer could she connect to it? |
| 07:39.47 | JeffM2501 | so no, just typeing "bzfs" won't wpork |
| 07:39.47 | _Manu_ | bzfs or bzfs.exe (windows) is the command to run the server |
| 07:40.17 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, please stop downplaying your intelegence it's annoying |
| 07:40.27 | SportChick | JeffM2501: I'm being serious :) |
| 07:40.33 | JeffM2501 | _Manu_, that won't work on windows, it's not in the path |
| 07:40.38 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03lan56 * 10bzflag/Dev-C++/ (bzflag.dev bzfs.dev libares.dev): fix ares stuff |
| 07:40.40 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, you are not dumb, get over it |
| 07:40.42 | _Manu_ | look for bzfs.exe :) |
| 07:40.47 | _Manu_ | use the find file :) |
| 07:40.49 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, you will have to use a shortcut |
| 07:40.51 | SportChick | JeffM2501: I'm not dumb, I just don't know computers |
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| 07:40.56 | JeffM2501 | yes you do |
| 07:40.57 | SportChick | ok, how? |
| 07:41.00 | mozul | there is a shortcut in the menu |
| 07:41.03 | JeffM2501 | what options do you want? |
| 07:41.04 | tokimi | happy birth day mozul |
| 07:41.05 | trepan | JeffM2501: switch to non-smp, no more stuttering |
| 07:41.12 | mozul | thanks tokimi |
| 07:41.15 | SportChick | I want to basically run a gu match server on local host |
| 07:41.27 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, you will need there config and map then |
| 07:41.29 | SportChick | I saved the world file |
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| 07:41.39 | JeffM2501 | that is a start |
| 07:41.45 | SportChick | JeffM2501: didn't that save when i saved the world/ |
| 07:41.48 | JeffM2501 | but you need the flag set they use |
| 07:41.56 | JeffM2501 | no the world save just saves the world |
| 07:41.58 | SportChick | JeffM2501: I have it set for teamflags only |
| 07:42.00 | JeffM2501 | not all options are in the world |
| 07:42.04 | SportChick | 3 shot, rico, jumping |
| 07:42.05 | SportChick | teles |
| 07:42.08 | _Manu_ | SportChick, I'm out for 30 minutes. First use search file option at start menu to find bzfs.exe then execute it |
| 07:42.28 | JeffM2501 | _Manu_, you don't know how windows works so please don't confuse her |
| 07:42.35 | _Manu_ | SportChick, to runn the world do bzfs.exe -world yourworldfile |
| 07:42.42 | _Manu_ | JeffM2501, lol |
| 07:42.57 | _Manu_ | JeffM2501, I used windoes since 1.0 so be quiet please ;) |
| 07:43.01 | JeffM2501 | or do what he says then come back when it dosn't work |
| 07:43.02 | JeffM2501 | fine |
| 07:43.04 | JeffM2501 | have at it then |
| 07:43.16 | SportChick | tokimi: hiya |
| 07:43.30 | JeffM2501 | since I don't think you know where stuff is installed on windows |
| 07:43.31 | SportChick | tokimi: big lot of trouble to avoid oine annoying player |
| 07:43.38 | tokimi | ? |
| 07:43.38 | JeffM2501 | not that you don't know how to use it |
| 07:43.40 | tokimi | yah |
| 07:43.53 | SportChick | JeffM2501: I'm waiting for you to tell me what to do/where to look |
| 07:43.55 | _Manu_ | probably rightclick on start button shows it |
| 07:44.05 | _Manu_ | may be is different the spanish version |
| 07:44.13 | JeffM2501 | no nom liasten to him he knows what he's talking about, I should be quiet |
| 07:44.13 | SportChick | hrm, mozul's worked :( |
| 07:44.33 | JeffM2501 | I'll go back to killin jawas |
| 07:44.51 | mozul | i got it to work |
| 07:46.47 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 07:47.32 | mozul | she got it working too. |
| 07:47.42 | mozul | we had to start the server, then let wendows unblock it |
| 07:47.54 | mozul | then close it then start again and now she is able toconnect |
| 07:48.00 | lan56 | ahh |
| 07:48.04 | lan56 | windows is to blame again |
| 07:48.11 | mozul | she is editing the server setup now to what she wants again. |
| 07:48.14 | JeffM2501 | the firewall yes |
| 07:48.29 | JeffM2501 | any firewall on any OS would have done that |
| 07:48.35 | mozul | I think the original problem was the firewall and she never saw the window because she has 9.4 million windows open. |
| 07:48.36 | JeffM2501 | so I don't see how it's windows fualt |
| 07:48.49 | JeffM2501 | perhaps she needs less spyware :) |
| 07:49.19 | lan56 | JeffM2501, it isn't, I guess I jumped onto the sp2 changes that block/unblock programs |
| 07:50.03 | JeffM2501 | that is the firewall that comes with it |
| 07:50.04 | mozul | how are you killing jawas anyway? |
| 07:50.22 | JeffM2501 | you can turn it on or off like any software |
| 07:50.38 | JeffM2501 | mozul, sometimes with a blaster, somtimes with a polearm.. sometimes I run over them with a speeder |
| 07:51.00 | mozul | Jeffm2501 What game is that? |
| 07:51.06 | JeffM2501 | star wars galaxys |
| 07:51.12 | mozul | ahh. ok |
| 07:51.35 | mozul | with my current video card and doom3 i get like 5 fps |
| 07:51.44 | JeffM2501 | well yeah |
| 07:51.57 | SportChick | JeffM2501: is there someplace I can find the config settings for the world I saved so I can duplicate them? |
| 07:51.58 | JeffM2501 | you need at least a 6600 to do that |
| 07:52.16 | mozul | yup. ill be saving my christmas checks |
| 07:52.18 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, not realy, best you can do is look at the settings in the server list, that's about it |
| 07:52.23 | JeffM2501 | they arn't published |
| 07:52.26 | JeffM2501 | mozul, 200$ |
| 07:52.35 | mozul | ya at least |
| 07:52.36 | SportChick | JeffM2501: ok, ty |
| 07:52.55 | JeffM2501 | no a 6800gs is 200$ |
| 07:52.59 | JeffM2501 | a good card |
| 07:53.13 | JeffM2501 | if you want to spend more, spend 300 on a 7800 |
| 07:53.55 | mozul | is there a key to show fps in doom3? |
| 07:54.05 | trepan | SportChick: look at the top of the saved world file for the 'options' section |
| 07:54.13 | JeffM2501 | there is probably an option |
| 07:54.36 | JeffM2501 | I've never played doom 3 |
| 07:54.45 | JeffM2501 | didn't find it right to spend money on an engine demo |
| 07:54.52 | trepan | SportChick: not all of the server settings are sent across the wire though, so it may not be complete |
| 07:55.14 | SportChick | trepan: thanks |
| 07:55.36 | JeffM2501 | quake 4 is a much better game |
| 07:55.54 | JeffM2501 | all of them pale in comparison to Fear tho |
| 07:55.57 | JeffM2501 | that is the must have game |
| 07:56.29 | SportChick | trepan: if the information is there at the top of the file, will it be in the world if I open it? or does it have to be reconfigured separately? |
| 07:56.34 | JeffM2501 | trepan, tomorow I will be scaning a picture for you to look at |
| 07:56.41 | JeffM2501 | you will wish to model it when you see it :) |
| 07:56.57 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, it will be in a section called "options" in the map file |
| 07:57.02 | mozul | ok im off to fight more wars in bf2. cya |
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| 07:57.33 | trepan | JeffM2501: doesn't it infringe on the "Tonka" trademark? |
| 07:57.41 | SportChick | JeffM2501: yeah, I see the options - I'm just wondering if I have to reenter them into the bzfs configure section |
| 07:58.01 | JeffM2501 | trepan, no I don't think so, it just looks cool |
| 07:58.06 | trepan | SportChick: ya, the "options/end" section is parsed the same as command line options |
| 07:58.07 | JeffM2501 | it's got big old wheels tho |
| 07:58.30 | SportChick | trepan: does that mean I have to enter it again? or not? |
| 07:58.34 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, no it should use them just as if there wer ein the coonig |
| 07:58.39 | JeffM2501 | you do not have to enter them again |
| 07:58.42 | SportChick | JeffM2501: oh, ok thanks |
| 07:58.43 | JeffM2501 | just use that map |
| 07:58.52 | JeffM2501 | it won't be all the settings, but it'll get a number of them |
| 07:59.44 | trepan | the flag additions won't be right, and the -fb/-sb might be missing, amongst other items |
| 07:59.59 | trepan | JeffM2501: silky smooth with single proc, i'll have to deal with that later |
| 08:00.14 | JeffM2501 | wierd |
| 08:00.31 | JeffM2501 | let me update and try windows |
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| 08:01.45 | trepan | dt = 0.010174 is the highest that it hits after map setup, etc... |
| 08:02.23 | SportChick | hrm - it tells me to copy the information into a text file, but not what to do with it now |
| 08:02.55 | JeffM2501 | what does? |
| 08:04.22 | JeffM2501 | I'm smooth in windows |
| 08:04.32 | trepan | JeffM2501: fairly sure it could be setup to get rid of the glitches: preemption, mod'ed time slices, task niceness, etc... |
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| 08:05.34 | trepan | but buying a new soundcard and getting mplayer working are the priorities :) |
| 08:05.41 | LePoulpe303 | hi all |
| 08:13.05 | trepan | mplayer under 32-bit chroot, cheesy but easy |
| 08:42.38 | RatOHome | JeffM2501: why? |
| 08:43.31 | JeffM2501 | repeated incedents of anoying other forum posts, posting nonsense crap, reposting an avatar that he was asked to remove |
| 08:43.40 | JeffM2501 | I get many complaints about him |
| 08:43.49 | JeffM2501 | but now we have a new tool to deal with it |
| 08:43.51 | JeffM2501 | should help a lot |
| 08:44.13 | RatOHome | ah. thought maybe it was just cause he is annoying as heck in gameplay (noisy chatter, etc) |
| 08:44.23 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure he is |
| 08:44.32 | JeffM2501 | but I can't ban him from the game for just that |
| 08:45.20 | RatOHome | nope. would have to ban about 1/3 of players I've encountered at LaserMania. Maybe me too ;) |
| 08:45.43 | JeffM2501 | but I can now stop them from posting on bzbb and not affect there global login :) |
| 08:46.04 | RatOHome | cool. wondered if the two could be kept seperate |
| 08:47.28 | JeffM2501 | it was a small hack, phpbb lets you turn of PMs per user, I made it do posts too |
| 08:47.47 | RatOmeter | most eggsellent |
| 08:48.01 | RatOmeter | you do sell eggs too, no? |
| 08:48.11 | purple_cow | i was wondering how long he'd be tolerated |
| 08:48.29 | purple_cow | not that i've read anything on the forums, but judging from his behavior here |
| 08:48.55 | RatOmeter | here on IRC? |
| 08:50.08 | JeffM2501 | he's an idiot |
| 08:50.12 | JeffM2501 | in all places |
| 08:50.29 | JeffM2501 | I've done the last of the warnings |
| 08:50.31 | RatOmeter | Aye, has been noticed elsewhere |
| 08:50.40 | JeffM2501 | so now it's time to take it to the next step if he dons't shape up |
| 08:50.59 | RatOmeter | Oy. Not the global ban!!!? |
| 08:51.09 | JeffM2501 | no, the bzbb post lockout |
| 08:51.09 | RatOmeter | (coytenly not) |
| 08:51.13 | JeffM2501 | that's the next step |
| 08:51.37 | JeffM2501 | if we get complains on him on servers that can't be taken care of with bans, then we'll pull and ban his global login account |
| 08:51.49 | lan56 | I remember he lost silvercat (or was it hepcat?) cop status |
| 08:51.52 | JeffM2501 | if that dosn't cut it, and he's on static then yes there could be a masterban |
| 08:52.02 | RatOmeter | then he'd give up or change his nick |
| 08:52.05 | JeffM2501 | but he'd ahve to do more then just be a retard |
| 08:52.34 | JeffM2501 | for the global account removal we ban things like IPs and email addresses |
| 08:52.36 | RatOmeter | sometimes retard == < 12 years old |
| 08:52.38 | JeffM2501 | makes it harder to get back in |
| 08:52.47 | RatOmeter | sometimes retard == retard |
| 08:52.58 | lan56 | real retarded people can't always help their condition |
| 08:53.11 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, when I scan this image you must see it |
| 08:53.16 | JeffM2501 | cover of popular science |
| 08:53.24 | JeffM2501 | coolest robot mini tank EVAR |
| 08:53.54 | RatOmeter | heh. My father got on the cover of Pop Mech, June 1986 |
| 08:54.06 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 08:54.34 | RatOmeter | yes. too bad his design never got built. |
| 08:55.09 | JeffM2501 | ohh I'm sure |
| 08:55.17 | JeffM2501 | but this design is cool |
| 08:55.21 | JeffM2501 | I will scan tomorow and post |
| 08:55.24 | JeffM2501 | but now I must sleep |
| 08:55.31 | lan56 | the invention submission corporation sometimes patents ideas, that could be something your father can look into, RatOmeter |
| 08:55.32 | RatOmeter | Oy. me too |
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| 08:56.26 | RatOmeter | lan56: my dad had a monster stroke 3 years ago. He ain't lookin into much these days. can |
| 08:56.42 | lan56 | I see, I apologize |
| 08:56.45 | RatOmeter | can't read very well or use his left side at all. |
| 08:56.47 | RatOmeter | np |
| 08:57.33 | RatOmeter | s'OK. I think he had a full life and still keeps as active as he can, considering |
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| 08:58.27 | RatOmeter | I've had to repair his powerchair twice. Once was electronics (burned out a power FET |
| 08:59.23 | lan56 | I see |
| 09:00.51 | RatOmeter | mentioned that last part only on account of Jeff's "robot tank" reference. powerchair drivetrain parts are quite popular with the battlebot crowd |
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| 12:45.45 | joe_alf | how do i fix my lag. |
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| 12:47.36 | Birdie | make sure you dont download or upload anything for the moment, close every program, outside the game itself and you _should_ have your best lag than |
| 12:51.11 | joe_alf | there is nothing open when ever i try to play, only bzflag but still my lag on some server reaches up to 300 above. but i have a broadband connections |
| 12:51.41 | joe_alf | 64KB up stream, 400 down stream |
| 12:53.09 | Birdie | it can happen if you are a european and you go to some US servers you lag can go over 250 or 300 |
| 12:56.06 | joe_alf | my location is in hk. when ever i try to connect to viper.pimpi.org and gamesunited.de my lag reach more than 300. but on silvercat just less than 300. is there anyway to fix this |
| 12:59.44 | ruskie | viper is located in germany |
| 12:59.52 | ruskie | I guess gamesunited is as well |
| 12:59.58 | ruskie | silvercat not sure where that is... |
| 13:01.09 | ruskie | joe_alf, not really a way to fix it sadly... |
| 13:02.00 | joe_alf | ruskie, ok tnx anyway. |
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| 13:42.09 | Syndrome | ello everyone |
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| 14:01.04 | Mirella | hello |
| 14:11.54 | learner | howdy Mirella |
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| 14:30.15 | Mirella | fine thnx |
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| 14:33.20 | Grumbler | grrr, getting a lot of network attacks out of spain now....what did they all move from korea/tawain to spain...grumble, grumble |
| 14:33.42 | Mirella | yep it's true |
| 14:34.26 | Mirella | from korea lot of url to exploit IIS |
| 14:40.31 | devster | what sort of network attacks? |
| 14:43.21 | Mirella | web requests with long url |
| 14:43.33 | Mirella | urls with exploits |
| 14:43.57 | devster | i meant for Grumbler |
| 14:44.00 | ToughShooter | Sounds good :) IIS is evil |
| 14:44.17 | Mirella | yep |
| 14:44.21 | devster | i've always got (and ignored) the ones for IIS |
| 14:44.30 | Mirella | i dunno if there are exploits for Apache |
| 14:44.42 | BearPerson | probably |
| 14:44.47 | BearPerson | the question is, for how long |
| 14:44.58 | devster | probably is but arent most php holes? |
| 14:45.12 | devster | code injection etc |
| 14:46.10 | Grumbler | they are all quickies |
| 14:46.26 | Grumbler | definitely bots.... |
| 14:46.26 | Mirella | port scanning? |
| 14:46.33 | Mirella | ahh |
| 14:46.40 | Grumbler | no, i dont see those anymore :) |
| 14:47.11 | Grumbler | these are /POST stuff in apache to stuff i dont have.....awstats.pl funky exploits |
| 14:47.45 | Grumbler | they usually start with the awstats funkyness, then try a bunch of other links I dont have |
| 14:47.45 | devster | yea those are script exploits tho, nothing to do with apache right? |
| 14:48.09 | Grumbler | yeah, nothing directly with apache, all secondary |
| 14:48.38 | Grumbler | havent seen the apache overload for awhile |
| 14:48.49 | Mirella | GET /awstats/awstats.pl?configdir=|echo;echo%20YYY; |
| 14:49.18 | devster | thats a real simple and silly bug to have :/ |
| 14:49.24 | Mirella | apache returns 404 |
| 14:50.34 | Mirella | GET /cvs/mambo/index2.php?_REQUEST[option]=com_content&_...... another strange url i receive frequently |
| 14:50.58 | devster | are they all using just an IP to get it ? |
| 14:51.28 | Mirella | they are from 192.9.90.x |
| 14:51.31 | Mirella | oops |
| 14:51.33 | Grumbler | havent gottent the cvs/mambo yet....heh |
| 14:51.34 | Mirella | 194.9.90 |
| 14:51.59 | devster | ah, on my server just using the ip just returns an error page :) |
| 14:53.38 | Mirella | apache returns always 404 |
| 14:53.43 | Grumbler | you actually take time to return an error page :) |
| 14:54.54 | devster | its more of a cpanel type 'site not configured' error page |
| 15:03.54 | _Manu_ | Grumbler, apache access logs are full of those tries to hack the server :) |
| 15:08.32 | ToughShooter | ~weather EDDF |
| 15:08.49 | _Manu_ | hello ToughShooter |
| 15:09.27 | blast007 | ~weather KJVL |
| 15:09.31 | ToughShooter | _Manu_: ¡Hola! ¿Que tal? |
| 15:10.13 | ToughShooter | brr, I need summer |
| 15:10.23 | _Manu_ | bien, ¿y tú? :) |
| 15:10.41 | ToughShooter | todo bien |
| 15:11.25 | ToughShooter | I've it warm at home :)) |
| 15:12.02 | ToughShooter | but yesterday I mutated into a snowman when walking outside |
| 15:12.05 | _Manu_ | das is gut :) |
| 15:12.18 | _Manu_ | s/is/ist |
| 15:13.21 | ToughShooter | _Manu_: In the part of BRD where I live people actually say "is" but pronouce it in the native way |
| 15:13.54 | _Manu_ | heh.. :/ |
| 15:13.54 | ToughShooter | Sorry, my spanish is not that good any more |
| 15:14.51 | _Manu_ | don'y worry I can teach you :) |
| 15:14.58 | ToughShooter | I think almost no native english speaking person would understand the word :)) |
| 15:14.59 | _Manu_ | don't |
| 15:15.23 | _Manu_ | heh |
| 15:18.44 | ToughShooter | _Manu_: Is viper still in Frankfurt? |
| 15:19.14 | _Manu_ | dunno, it's a new server and different isp provider. Pimi knows it |
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| 15:19.54 | ToughShooter | Hi SportChick |
| 15:20.39 | ToughShooter | _Manu_: I get 2.4ms ping from university but 30ms from home :( |
| 15:22.12 | _Manu_ | if just infront your university.. you can hear the fans :) |
| 15:22.28 | _Manu_ | 2.4 ms.. heh.. not bad :/ |
| 15:22.46 | Mirella | Manu where are you in Spain? |
| 15:22.55 | _Manu_ | Mirella, yes |
| 15:23.09 | Mirella | city? |
| 15:23.11 | _Manu_ | Trujillo, Exremadura |
| 15:23.39 | ToughShooter | _Manu_: Using universities WLAN |
| 15:23.57 | _Manu_ | ToughShooter, I know. You told me |
| 15:24.13 | ToughShooter | Sounds too good to be true, tough |
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| 15:27.03 | _Manu_ | Mirella, do you know Spain= |
| 15:27.05 | _Manu_ | ? |
| 15:27.10 | Mirella | yep |
| 15:27.17 | _Manu_ | what places? |
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| 15:27.19 | Mirella | Barcelona |
| 15:27.31 | _Manu_ | 1000 Km far from me :) |
| 15:27.39 | Mirella | :-) |
| 15:27.48 | _Manu_ | I'm near Portugal |
| 15:27.57 | Mirella | but there is the shuttle |
| 15:28.05 | _Manu_ | heh |
| 15:28.17 | Mirella | ah near portugal |
| 15:28.24 | Mirella | the shuttle Barcelona Madrid |
| 15:28.53 | _Manu_ | Barcelona-Madrid-Cáceres |
| 15:28.58 | ToughShooter | _Manu_: Near Andorra ? |
| 15:29.06 | _Manu_ | ToughShooter, lol :) |
| 15:29.25 | Mirella | andorra is near the france right? |
| 15:29.32 | _Manu_ | yes |
| 15:29.40 | Mirella | the other side |
| 15:29.51 | _Manu_ | Trujillo is west-center Spain |
| 15:29.57 | ToughShooter | I don't know so good about spain, only las ramblas and the part where our tourists are drunken 24 hours/day |
| 15:30.10 | _Manu_ | heh |
| 15:30.54 | ToughShooter | Tough I spent a few vacations at beach near Gibraltar as kid |
| 15:31.16 | Mirella | Gibraltar is not Spain |
| 15:31.25 | ToughShooter | Yes |
| 15:31.25 | Mirella | it's UK |
| 15:31.49 | _Manu_ | Mirella, hmmmm |
| 15:31.53 | Mirella | ahah |
| 15:31.55 | ToughShooter | not everything around is UK, IIRC |
| 15:35.12 | _Manu_ | this is Trujillo: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=39.457866,-5.880389&spn=0.014008,0.027805&t=k&hl=en |
| 15:36.22 | Mirella | there is la plaza de toros |
| 15:36.54 | _Manu_ | here: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=39.456988,-5.872493&spn=0.003502,0.006951&t=k&hl=en |
| 15:38.18 | Mirella | and the bzfield? |
| 15:39.04 | _Manu_ | here: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=39.479003,-5.876087&spn=0.003501,0.006951&t=k&hl=en |
| 15:39.08 | _Manu_ | where I live |
| 15:39.30 | Mirella | ;) |
| 15:39.42 | _Manu_ | :) |
| 15:41.26 | _Manu_ | and now.. can you point where you live at Germany? ;-p |
| 15:45.16 | Mirella | http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=43.712495,10.405769&spn=0.041610,0.075831&t=k&hl=en |
| 15:47.36 | _Manu_ | not so high resolution :( |
| 15:47.41 | Mirella | no sorry |
| 15:47.47 | _Manu_ | now adjusting my missiles coordinates... :) |
| 15:47.55 | Mirella | ahah |
| 15:48.54 | Mirella | bye |
| 15:49.00 | _Manu_ | bye |
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| 17:56.48 | SportChick | meacan: hiya |
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| 18:00.44 | meacan | hi SportChick :) |
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| 18:02.30 | Saturos | Hi Jeff! |
| 18:02.58 | Saturos | Do you have a minute to activate "kill3r"'s bzbb-account? |
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| 18:03.35 | bdotson | anyone know what happened to that server that used to be the most popular? did it just die? |
| 18:03.59 | Birdie | wich one? |
| 18:04.16 | Saturos | badgerking? |
| 18:04.23 | bdotson | yea, that's the one |
| 18:04.25 | bdotson | badgerking |
| 18:05.22 | brlcad | was eaten by a snake |
| 18:05.24 | bdotson | that's the only server i used to play on. too bad it's gone |
| 18:06.13 | Saturos | Dunno what happened to it... sorry. But badherking is registered at bzbb so he may talk about it there. |
| 18:07.03 | Saturos | We have seen a HUGE increase in hacking and flood attacks from China in the last few weeks. Yesterday, server connectivity was broken by an upstream attack on an edge device. Until this has been resolved, I won't be able to bring badgerking back online. Sorry for the inconvenience. |
| 18:07.09 | Saturos | by badgerking |
| 18:07.32 | bdotson | argh |
| 18:07.36 | Saturos | :/ |
| 18:07.52 | Saturos | They'll be back soon, I think... |
| 18:09.52 | Saturos | Any PHP-fanatics here? |
| 18:10.02 | blast007 | :) |
| 18:10.31 | Saturos | Quick question: Is it allowed to do base^exponent to calculate the power? In pascal you cant do it that way.... what about PHP? |
| 18:11.18 | blast007 | there is a pow() function |
| 18:11.26 | Saturos | Ah... okay. |
| 18:11.46 | Saturos | Is it pow(base,exponent) ? |
| 18:11.58 | blast007 | yup |
| 18:12.03 | Saturos | Thx a lot. I'll try this. |
| 18:13.12 | blast007 | http://php.net/pow (gives some notes, like how it can't handle negative bases) |
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| 18:16.11 | brlcad | Saturos: if you want, you can host up badgerking on .bz |
| 18:16.45 | Saturos | What can I do? Sorry, didnt get it. |
| 18:17.05 | Saturos | blast007: It looks like it does what I want it to do! Thx! |
| 18:17.16 | CIA-3 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10GPx01/ (bugs.txt toto.txt): update todo and bugs lists with current tasks |
| 18:17.29 | blast007 | brlcad: he was pasting what badgerking said on the forum, from what I can tell |
| 18:17.53 | Saturos | Yeah... should have put "" around it. |
| 18:18.07 | Tupone | toto.txt ? |
| 18:18.53 | JeffM2501 | todo.txt |
| 18:18.57 | JeffM2501 | cus I'm a bastard :) |
| 18:19.39 | brlcad | and your little dog too |
| 18:19.49 | Tupone | :) |
| 18:21.37 | Saturos | http://bzflag.saturos.de/textures/menu_arrow.png <- anyone interested in a sweet menu_arrow? :D |
| 18:34.08 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, I have an image you must tell me you have a model for :) |
| 18:35.43 | JeffM2501 | oh and it is my goal to mispell every posiible thing.. on the planet before I die |
| 18:37.47 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, http://beta.bzflag.bz/robotank.png |
| 18:37.53 | JeffM2501 | tell me that dosn't look cool |
| 18:38.11 | Aribeth | evler sincie i toook hte evelian wooad heiad speealin classs i cun speaal verly gooad! |
| 18:38.22 | Aribeth | :P |
| 18:38.26 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 18:38.43 | Aribeth | hehe |
| 18:40.05 | CIA-3 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10GPx01/ (todo.txt toto.txt): rasum frasum.. stupid english language, and litte dog.... |
| 18:40.12 | brlcad | looks like some sort of FCS artist drawing |
| 18:40.20 | JeffM2501 | yeah I'm sure it is |
| 18:40.26 | JeffM2501 | let me upload the side view |
| 18:41.56 | brlcad | neat vehicle |
| 18:42.05 | JeffM2501 | it's batmobile ish |
| 18:42.27 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, http://beta.bzflag.bz/side_small.png |
| 18:42.40 | JeffM2501 | I'm thinking I need to get someone to model it :) |
| 18:43.09 | JeffM2501 | take off the machine gun |
| 18:43.13 | Saturos | hehe |
| 18:43.21 | JeffM2501 | and it'd look great driving around in top viiew |
| 18:43.30 | JeffM2501 | not that I don't like Saturos's icon in 3d :) |
| 18:43.40 | Saturos | :) |
| 18:43.46 | JeffM2501 | have you seen your icon in 3d? |
| 18:43.51 | Saturos | Yeah |
| 18:43.53 | JeffM2501 | it looks prety cool |
| 18:44.01 | Saturos | I downloaded gpx01prealpha this morning |
| 18:44.11 | Saturos | The way you did it is damn cool. |
| 18:44.12 | JeffM2501 | trepan says it works under wine |
| 18:44.21 | JeffM2501 | it's just your icon with champherd edges |
| 18:44.30 | Saturos | Dunno... I dont have wine. |
| 18:44.35 | Saturos | Used my second PC. |
| 18:44.36 | JeffM2501 | you have windows? |
| 18:44.38 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 18:44.39 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 18:45.02 | JeffM2501 | hopefully it'll be easyer to build on linux soon |
| 18:45.09 | JeffM2501 | brlcad got it working on the mac |
| 18:45.10 | Saturos | I am at my laptop 99% of the time but I still own a windows-machine for some video-manipulation. |
| 18:45.53 | Saturos | Gotta go eating some onion-soup. Back in ~30 minutes. |
| 18:46.22 | JeffM2501 | mmm soup |
| 18:46.44 | Saturos | Oh, and could you manually activate "kill3r"? In the bzbb? Since he changed his email, he is inactive and guess what: He didnt get an activation mail. At least he says so. |
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| 18:47.18 | JeffM2501 | Saturos_away, done |
| 18:48.43 | JeffM2501 | hmm wonder if I should post the image on bzbb and issue a "modeling challenge" to the populus |
| 18:49.11 | JeffM2501 | winner gets a 20$ amazon gift cert :) |
| 18:49.57 | brlcad | ahh, side view is much cooler :) |
| 18:50.07 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:50.21 | JeffM2501 | I love the big tonka tires |
| 18:50.43 | brlcad | reminds me of the old atari game moon patrol |
| 18:50.52 | JeffM2501 | hah |
| 18:50.56 | JeffM2501 | boing |
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| 18:51.09 | JeffM2501 | you can shoot forward, or up, nothing inbetween |
| 18:51.20 | brlcad | those axels look like they could pivot :) |
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| 18:51.44 | ruskie | JeffM2501, hmmm well you won't get me on a $20 amazon cert... |
| 18:51.59 | JeffM2501 | what would get you |
| 18:53.32 | ruskie | hard to say... for me it would be enough to participate... with a nice mention somewhere... but then I'm modest in that regard :) |
| 18:53.45 | JeffM2501 | well yeah, model in the game of course |
| 18:53.49 | JeffM2501 | and in the credits |
| 18:54.00 | JeffM2501 | that's a given |
| 18:54.15 | ruskie | imho something related with the game... |
| 18:54.32 | JeffM2501 | and FX5200? |
| 18:54.42 | ruskie | <-- not a fan of nvidia |
| 18:54.51 | JeffM2501 | radeon 9250? |
| 18:54.53 | ruskie | and for me nothing of material value would really interest me |
| 18:55.05 | ruskie | hmm |
| 18:55.06 | ruskie | those are cheap |
| 18:55.08 | JeffM2501 | your own custom avatar |
| 18:55.13 | JeffM2501 | well I'm not made of money :) |
| 18:55.27 | ruskie | didn't mean it like that |
| 18:55.29 | JeffM2501 | and it's just one model :) |
| 18:55.48 | JeffM2501 | the in game tank can be named after the winner :) |
| 18:55.48 | ruskie | why not have mutliple models type thing... |
| 18:55.54 | JeffM2501 | yeah there will be |
| 18:56.02 | ruskie | I mean contest |
| 18:56.02 | ruskie | :) |
| 18:56.19 | ruskie | and instead of having one huge prize have multiple smaller ones... |
| 18:56.28 | JeffM2501 | then it isn't realy a contest, but more of just a shout out for models |
| 18:56.37 | JeffM2501 | t-shirts |
| 18:56.38 | ruskie | you plan on having multiple contests? |
| 18:56.40 | JeffM2501 | I need tshirts |
| 18:56.43 | ruskie | hmm t-shirt would be nice |
| 18:56.57 | JeffM2501 | it'd be cool to have multiple winers |
| 18:56.59 | ruskie | that's something I'd be willing to go for... |
| 18:57.03 | JeffM2501 | maybe the best model is the default |
| 18:57.16 | JeffM2501 | and the image of the best model on the tshirt |
| 18:57.24 | JeffM2501 | and in the logo |
| 18:57.26 | JeffM2501 | how's that |
| 18:57.36 | ruskie | sounds good |
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| 18:58.53 | ruskie | might even try to make a model myself... |
| 18:59.21 | JeffM2501 | yeah shirts arn't too much |
| 18:59.32 | JeffM2501 | via cafepress |
| 18:59.55 | JeffM2501 | oooooo they do black now |
| 19:00.02 | ruskie | nice |
| 19:01.06 | JeffM2501 | in the end it should be obj, but I can convert |
| 19:01.24 | ruskie | :) |
| 19:01.41 | ruskie | well can you convert povray to obj? |
| 19:01.50 | JeffM2501 | dono |
| 19:01.56 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure there's a converter out there. |
| 19:02.56 | ruskie | since I suck with modeling tools but pen&paper and code into povray I can do :) |
| 19:04.36 | ruskie | :) |
| 19:04.36 | brlcad | :) |
| 19:04.44 | ruskie | that would be a good idea... |
| 19:04.48 | JeffM2501 | contest is a nice idea tho, even for bzflag |
| 19:04.55 | brlcad | i'd be willing to contribute to a prize for that model |
| 19:05.23 | ruskie | <-- has nothing to contribute... |
| 19:05.29 | brlcad | especially if it's pov, blend, or brl-cad format :) |
| 19:05.30 | JeffM2501 | hell I can probably get trepan to model that thing if I send him a sound card :) |
| 19:06.10 | JeffM2501 | tho you'd think the robotank should be able to drive up pyramids :) |
| 19:07.01 | JeffM2501 | http://beta.bzflag.bz/side_small.png |
| 19:07.22 | JeffM2501 | there is also side_big.png for those that like masive images |
| 19:08.21 | ruskie | whoa |
| 19:08.24 | ruskie | nice tank |
| 19:08.29 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 19:08.36 | JeffM2501 | I want that modeled :) |
| 19:09.02 | JeffM2501 | I think I'm going to cut up this mag to get a better 2 page shot of it |
| 19:09.33 | ruskie | you only want that modeled or you want other models as well? |
| 19:10.19 | JeffM2501 | both |
| 19:10.37 | ruskie | :) |
| 19:10.54 | JeffM2501 | I'd also like bonaparte http://www.flyingomelette.com/oddities/sab/bonaparte.jpg |
| 19:12.03 | ruskie | cute |
| 19:12.08 | ruskie | I prefer the first one though :) |
| 19:12.25 | ruskie | btw does the turret need to be rotatable or is it fixed? |
| 19:12.53 | JeffM2501 | it should be able to rotate |
| 19:13.00 | JeffM2501 | that way if we decide on fixed, it's easy |
| 19:13.53 | ruskie | note most of my designes are simplistic :) no nice curved edges and such :) |
| 19:15.40 | JeffM2501 | I like the icon tank |
| 19:15.51 | JeffM2501 | I'd like to see it done, with a little more real tank definition |
| 19:15.51 | JeffM2501 | like treads |
| 19:15.51 | JeffM2501 | little hatches |
| 19:15.52 | ruskie | icon tank? |
| 19:15.53 | JeffM2501 | exaust |
| 19:15.58 | JeffM2501 | what the thing is using now |
| 19:16.08 | ruskie | ahhh |
| 19:16.23 | JeffM2501 | http://beta.bzflag.bz/170.png |
| 19:16.56 | JeffM2501 | and it needs an antena that we can wip around and mount CTF flags too :) |
| 19:17.05 | ruskie | hmm looks nice... cute... |
| 19:21.23 | JeffM2501 | actualy now that I'm thinking of it it'd be cool to have 2 main types of thing |
| 19:21.37 | JeffM2501 | treaded tanks that move a little slower, but can spin on there own z axis |
| 19:21.58 | JeffM2501 | and wheeled ones that go faster but have to move forwared or back to turn |
| 19:22.01 | JeffM2501 | like a car |
| 19:22.02 | ruskie | nice |
| 19:22.15 | Saturos | JeffM2501: by the way... may I ask wth this image shows? http://beta.bzflag.bz/evil.png O_o |
| 19:26.13 | JeffM2501 | that is a quake3 map in bzflag |
| 19:28.07 | Saturos | It seems to have a lot of graphic-bugs... |
| 19:28.16 | Saturos | But looks impressive nevertheless. |
| 19:29.39 | JeffM2501 | yeah it was an early one |
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| 19:29.48 | JeffM2501 | the current converter gerts more of it |
| 19:30.17 | nitrosport_5 | jeffm is 2.1 uncompileable? |
| 19:30.44 | JeffM2501 | I dono |
| 19:30.48 | Tupone | nitrosport_5, bzflag 2.1? I compile it |
| 19:30.50 | JeffM2501 | haven't tried in a while |
| 19:31.08 | JeffM2501 | but yeah, it should work, I'd not expect anyone to leave it busted |
| 19:31.09 | JeffM2501 | what OS? |
| 19:32.35 | nitrosport_5 | windows |
| 19:32.58 | nitrosport_5 | oh and btw this is Matt? |
| 19:33.04 | JeffM2501 | what compiler? |
| 19:33.28 | nitrosport_5 | mingw...i get a whole bunch of errors |
| 19:33.44 | Tupone | ~bzpastebin |
| 19:33.45 | ibot | it has been said that bzpastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel, and it archives too. - try http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/ |
| 19:33.58 | JeffM2501 | mingw should work fine |
| 19:34.04 | JeffM2501 | it uses the linux build system |
| 19:34.10 | JeffM2501 | tupone can help you with that |
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| 19:34.39 | nitrosport_5 | ok i get the cvs.. i do ./configure then after that i do make and it gets errors |
| 19:34.39 | JeffM2501 | I don't use mingw |
| 19:34.41 | JeffM2501 | and I must go to lunch now |
| 19:35.01 | Tupone | nitrosport_5, you know 2.1 does not get you anything really new |
| 19:35.09 | Tupone | only incompatibility |
| 19:35.16 | nitrosport_5 | really |
| 19:35.22 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 19:35.25 | nitrosport_5 | no new features |
| 19:35.26 | JeffM2501 | it's dev for the next major |
| 19:35.33 | JeffM2501 | there are no real servers for it |
| 19:35.36 | JeffM2501 | nor any real players |
| 19:35.54 | Tupone | however if you paste your error in bzpastebin I can use to fix it |
| 19:36.03 | JeffM2501 | it probalby has less graphical features then 2.0.5 |
| 19:36.15 | nitrosport_5 | ok.... whats the pastebin? |
| 19:36.28 | Tupone | I guess DTRemenak_Srv merged those, but not sure |
| 19:36.28 | Tupone | see above |
| 19:36.40 | Tupone | http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/ |
| 19:37.05 | nitrosport_5 | so if i get errors in mingw i paste them there |
| 19:37.26 | Tupone | not only the error, I'd paste everything |
| 19:37.47 | nitrosport_5 | the whole session of mingw trying to compile |
| 19:38.08 | Tupone | well, if you can redirect to a file, and the file do not get too big. |
| 19:38.22 | nitrosport_5 | ok |
| 19:38.26 | Tupone | there is a limit on the upload to pastebin |
| 19:38.45 | nitrosport_5 | a txt file should be no larger than 5kb |
| 19:42.10 | nitrosport_5 | going to go try bye |
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| 19:50.28 | brlcad | JeffM2501: 8 styles, a warfighter, a leviathan, a shark, a javelin, ... |
| 19:51.30 | brlcad | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SubSpace_(computer_game)#Ships |
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| 20:10.43 | Ice_Wewe | Hey JeffM2501, I've had an idea! I admit, it was kinda painful... |
| 20:11.52 | Ice_Wewe | actually this isn't specific to Jeff, this is an address at all developers |
| 20:12.13 | Ice_Wewe | I don't know the exact code, but it would look like this: |
| 20:12.37 | Ice_Wewe | right now, in ~/bzflag/src/date/buildDate.cxx is has STABLE, DEVEL, and MAINT, or something like that |
| 20:12.51 | Ice_Wewe | why not add some code so that when someone does ./configure --enable-debug |
| 20:12.56 | Ice_Wewe | it changes that DEVEL to DEBUG |
| 20:13.09 | Ice_Wewe | that way, a server owner can know what kind of client someone is using... |
| 20:13.33 | Ice_Wewe | no? not a good idea? |
| 20:16.01 | _Manu_ | BearPerson, lol |
| 20:26.38 | brlcad | meh, the label is mostly meaningless cept to ourselves |
| 20:28.32 | ruskie | DEBUG would be a good idea imho |
| 20:28.57 | ruskie | <-- runs a debug client... |
| 20:29.46 | _Manu_ | ruskie, well if you know it it's enough ;) |
| 20:30.44 | ruskie | debug comes in handy if a cheater is suspected... switch to wireframe and observe :) |
| 20:31.29 | ruskie | though wireframe is useless when playing non-ground level |
| 20:32.22 | ToughShooter | wireframe is one of the built in cheats :/ |
| 20:32.34 | ruskie | but it's useless unless you're on ground level |
| 20:32.44 | ruskie | you don't see bullets if they aren't on the ground level |
| 20:32.45 | ruskie | :) |
| 20:33.27 | ToughShooter | I mostly look at radar anyway, just a quick look at HUD from time to time for stealthed people |
| 20:33.35 | ruskie | :) |
| 20:33.50 | ToughShooter | The q cheat is also annoying |
| 20:34.02 | ruskie | q? |
| 20:34.05 | blast007 | hmm? |
| 20:34.10 | ToughShooter | Toggle radar |
| 20:34.19 | ruskie | why annoying? |
| 20:34.36 | ToughShooter | if your machine is slow enough it will make the client not detecting kills |
| 20:34.43 | ruskie | ow? |
| 20:35.09 | ToughShooter | so if one falls down he can hold q pressed and he won't be shot while falling |
| 20:35.26 | blast007 | so ban them :) |
| 20:35.37 | ToughShooter | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:35.41 | ruskie | <-- doesn't really have the time to try those cheats... |
| 20:35.54 | ruskie | I ussualy fall down and already looking for new targets.. |
| 20:35.58 | ToughShooter | I don't use them, cause it is lame |
| 20:36.10 | ToughShooter | but it is a built in cheat |
| 20:36.12 | ruskie | I just don't bother |
| 20:36.16 | _Manu_ | ToughShooter, you also can press F12 to avoid the kill.. lol you are so obfuscated :) |
| 20:36.23 | ruskie | cheating in online pvp games is so boring... |
| 20:36.32 | ruskie | f12 doesn't work for me :) rebound... |
| 20:36.40 | ruskie | though I think I should completly disable it |
| 20:36.59 | ToughShooter | I would like to have quit on F16... |
| 20:36.59 | _Manu_ | ruskie, you are not ToughShooter :) |
| 20:37.01 | blast007 | pulling the plug out of the wall is annoying too! |
| 20:37.21 | blast007 | and works better than F12 |
| 20:37.54 | ToughShooter | If you have a "plug in the wall" |
| 20:37.59 | _Manu_ | yes but slower :) |
| 20:38.17 | _Manu_ | and haven't ups |
| 20:38.29 | ruskie | as a friend of mine pointed out once... new instinct of crackers... pull the plug from net line... |
| 20:38.39 | ToughShooter | ups? |
| 20:38.55 | _Manu_ | for electric cuts |
| 20:39.56 | _Manu_ | ToughShooter, Uninterruptable Power Supply |
| 20:39.58 | blast007 | yeah, on here I'd have to pull the plug AND the battery |
| 20:40.05 | ToughShooter | ~ups |
| 20:40.07 | ibot | Light C and C++ debugger under X11.. URL: http://www.concerto.demon.co.uk/UPS/ |
| 20:40.09 | ruskie | or just have a non-conducting gilotine and cables runnning trought it :) |
| 20:40.10 | ToughShooter | _Manu_: p |
| 20:40.23 | _Manu_ | heh |
| 20:40.53 | _Manu_ | ToughShooter, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uninterruptible_power_supply |
| 20:41.58 | blast007 | a battery backup with a fancy name |
| 20:42.10 | ToughShooter | _Manu_: I know this as USV |
| 20:42.46 | _Manu_ | ToughShooter, ja :) -> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/USV |
| 20:43.15 | _Manu_ | in spanish SAI |
| 20:46.26 | ToughShooter | Different names for everything like the strawberries have in much languages and wrong (e.g. strawberries are nuts!) ;) |
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| 21:07.25 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, got a cleaner pic of the robo, http://beta.bzflag.bz/robotank_clean.png |
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| 21:15.05 | brlcad | JeffM2501: way cool |
| 21:16.18 | KTL | but i guess a gf3 can not run that anymore |
| 21:16.18 | Tupone | gf3 -> 3rd Girl Friend ? |
| 21:16.27 | KTL | tss :) |
| 21:16.35 | KTL | geforce3 of course, i use a radeon 9600 now |
| 21:16.43 | JeffM2501 | g3 should run many things just fine |
| 21:16.52 | JeffM2501 | trepan had one untill last frday |
| 21:17.02 | KTL | lol that one expired too :D??? |
| 21:17.10 | brlcad | Tupone: that's how I first read it :) |
| 21:17.14 | KTL | since i had to stop using mine because the fan broke |
| 21:17.23 | Tupone | mee to :) |
| 21:17.25 | KTL | just 1 ir 2 weeks ago |
| 21:17.45 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, I ripped the page when puling it outa the mag :( had to PS the riped part back in |
| 21:19.13 | KTL | what i wanted to know, these moving ... whatever to call them, can they be obstacles for a tank? i guess that is not implemented, looks difficult too |
| 21:21.55 | JeffM2501 | I don't belive the moving objects can block a tank |
| 21:22.13 | JeffM2501 | since that woudl need better syncing across clients |
| 21:22.27 | JeffM2501 | that's the only thing preventing it |
| 21:22.51 | KTL | a tank standing on a floating object should move along with it, brrrr |
| 21:23.02 | JeffM2501 | again that needs better sync |
| 21:23.24 | KTL | and then a tank being crushed by moving things, brr |
| 21:23.36 | JeffM2501 | once the clients and server are using a common clock with an authoritive server it woudl be easyer |
| 21:24.55 | JeffM2501 | but then so would a better networking engine |
| 21:27.39 | KTL | it would become networked physics engine |
| 21:27.46 | KTL | a* |
| 21:27.47 | JeffM2501 | many games have it |
| 21:28.01 | JeffM2501 | a simple server side state could consistely arbitrate disputes |
| 21:28.35 | spldart | bzfs got any cool updates since 10 29?... Wanted to compile something for fun tonight :) |
| 21:31.02 | KTL | the movements ... they are still constrained to circles ? that could be implemented |
| 21:31.13 | JeffM2501 | dono |
| 21:31.20 | KTL | i mean, things following a path |
| 21:31.26 | JeffM2501 | probably |
| 21:31.33 | JeffM2501 | the logic is in the map IIRC |
| 21:32.29 | KTL | i did not look at the map syntax anymore, but i doubt it allready has the capability to allow complex movements for these ... ghots objects |
| 21:32.54 | JeffM2501 | trepans basicly been doing that on his own |
| 21:32.58 | JeffM2501 | he would know what he has done |
| 21:33.13 | JeffM2501 | tho he's usualy prety good at updating the map manpage |
| 21:33.26 | JeffM2501 | better then I am at least |
| 21:34.13 | KTL | oh he is going to do it fun fun if it continues like this the map-makers will need to study :) |
| 21:34.35 | JeffM2501 | most map makers have to studdy as it |
| 21:34.41 | JeffM2501 | 95% of them don't get it |
| 21:34.49 | JeffM2501 | louman is the only one taking it to the next level |
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| 21:35.32 | KTL | but he has the tools prolly, are there scripts distributed to help make these vertices |
| 21:35.48 | JeffM2501 | scripts? |
| 21:35.55 | JeffM2501 | no, you make them in modelers |
| 21:36.02 | KTL | and convert them |
| 21:36.06 | JeffM2501 | there are exporters for a couple difrent modelers |
| 21:36.12 | JeffM2501 | blender and wings have exporters |
| 21:36.23 | JeffM2501 | I made an obj converter |
| 21:36.35 | JeffM2501 | between those that should get everyone |
| 21:38.01 | JeffM2501 | yeah there are PD lego dude models |
| 21:38.09 | Legoguy | no, i've never been in a bzflag map ;) |
| 21:38.27 | BearPerson | too bad today's maps are mostly built for visual flashiness and not for playability |
| 21:38.30 | JeffM2501 | then what do you say "map" for? |
| 21:38.40 | JeffM2501 | BearPerson, most of the old box maps were made that way too |
| 21:38.53 | JeffM2501 | few maps since decks and hix were made with playablity in mind |
| 21:38.57 | KTL | yes the most flashy maps are a lot less playable |
| 21:39.19 | JeffM2501 | you can make a flashy playable map |
| 21:39.22 | JeffM2501 | you just have to think about it |
| 21:39.34 | JeffM2501 | many of loumans maps are the most playable flashy maps |
| 21:39.35 | BearPerson | first playability, then put flashiness on top of that |
| 21:39.46 | KTL | they should start with a rough base like all the old maps, and then accentuate it with the new features to preserve the rico effects |
| 21:40.39 | KTL | but if you only use them too accentuate you are also making the map slower |
| 21:41.07 | JeffM2501 | if you do draw info maps are a lot faster in 2.0.4 |
| 21:41.11 | KTL | a big block could be converted to an aquarium, but it will slow down the clients |
| 21:41.19 | JeffM2501 | so fast you can put stuff and not slow down decent ahrdware |
| 21:41.40 | KTL | what happened ? |
| 21:41.45 | JeffM2501 | draw info |
| 21:41.48 | JeffM2501 | it's a good thing |
| 21:41.59 | KTL | i remember display lists |
| 21:42.07 | JeffM2501 | way past display lists |
| 21:42.25 | JeffM2501 | draw info is more infoi put into the map to help bz draw it faster, groups, LODs, stuff like that |
| 21:42.41 | JeffM2501 | it lets trepan run a 30million triangle map on his GF3 at like 80fps |
| 21:43.57 | KTL | somebody asked me why a graphics card needs so much memory, i can give him this as answer :D |
| 21:44.20 | JeffM2501 | yeah to store textures and geometry |
| 21:58.58 | ToughShooter | Do I miss something or is the draw info stuff not documented there? http://my.bzflag.org/bzfman.cgi?bzw.5s |
| 21:59.40 | JeffM2501 | it's probalby not in that one |
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| 21:59.47 | JeffM2501 | that one dosn't allways pull from cvs |
| 21:59.49 | JeffM2501 | and should be update |
| 22:00.05 | JeffM2501 | but I don't know if he put draw info in the manpage, you'd have to check whats in CVS |
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| 22:00.38 | ToughShooter | Well, that's where I usually look because a browser has better useability |
| 22:00.45 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:00.57 | JeffM2501 | just don't assume it's allways 100% up to date |
| 22:01.01 | JeffM2501 | it's not automaticly updated |
| 22:01.49 | ToughShooter | not so sure whether I would have to install the man pages at certain places etc and I didn't wanted to deal with it 'cause I thought the web one would be latest state |
| 22:02.04 | ToughShooter | didn't want* |
| 22:02.10 | JeffM2501 | well it isn't |
| 22:02.19 | ToughShooter | yes, I know now |
| 22:02.20 | JeffM2501 | you'll have to deal acordingly |
| 22:02.29 | JeffM2501 | I wish it was auto updated |
| 22:02.31 | ToughShooter | now I have to care |
| 22:02.46 | JeffM2501 | welcome to the real world :) |
| 22:06.26 | Thumper_ | ToughShooter: are you on linux? |
| 22:06.52 | ToughShooter | Thumper_: Nope |
| 22:06.58 | Thumper_ | :/ |
| 22:07.02 | Thumper_ | harder then. |
| 22:07.09 | Thumper_ | there is draw info stuff in the cvs bzw.5 man page |
| 22:07.36 | ToughShooter | Yes, JeffM2501 already said that |
| 22:08.36 | ToughShooter | Anyway even my intelligence should be sufficient to find a solution :) |
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| 22:09.12 | trepan | drawInfo what? what are you trying to do? |
| 22:09.23 | JeffM2501 | I was just talking about it |
| 22:09.33 | JeffM2501 | and they wondered if it was doced on the web man pages |
| 22:09.36 | trepan | very hard to use without the converter |
| 22:10.34 | KTL | euh ? that drawInfo is part of the input for the client? part of the bzw file? |
| 22:11.10 | JeffM2501 | it's stored in the bzw file |
| 22:11.17 | JeffM2501 | but it's not something you realy hand code |
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| 22:12.16 | JeffM2501 | it's intended to be auto generated by some tools |
| 22:14.03 | KTL | preprocessing cool, and it can improve ... what type of maps? can it improve the older maps also? |
| 22:14.30 | KTL | it is just for added textures? |
| 22:14.41 | trepan | it's for LODs and faster rendering |
| 22:14.49 | trepan | also allows for real GL points and lines |
| 22:15.06 | KTL | dict says Level Of Detail |
| 22:15.14 | ToughShooter | :) |
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| 22:15.47 | ToughShooter | Hint: wikipedia |
| 22:16.02 | JeffM2501 | KTL, it works with geometry |
| 22:16.14 | JeffM2501 | to make it draw as fast as possible, it won't do anyting wtih an old box |
| 22:16.31 | trepan | the DrawInfo servers at the end of the server list demo some of what it can do |
| 22:16.45 | trepan | note that DrawInfo server2 has 128 million triangles |
| 22:16.59 | KTL | i checked these 2, a sky of rotating laundry |
| 22:17.13 | trepan | that's the one :) |
| 22:18.02 | trepan | oh, they also allow for spinning geometry... |
| 22:18.15 | KTL | what about complex movements? |
| 22:19.15 | trepan | nope, just plain old spinning for now |
| 22:19.23 | KTL | i started imagining objects following a path and there own rotation |
| 22:19.39 | KTL | their* |
| 22:23.07 | KTL | how that sphere doesn't circle but makes an 8 |
| 22:23.17 | KTL | lol i just saw that |
| 22:24.23 | trepan | 2 different meshes, with properly timed dynamic colors (for temporary transparency) |
| 22:24.39 | KTL | ah it's a trick |
| 22:24.49 | trepan | actually, same mesh, just 2 instances of it |
| 22:25.50 | KTL | mmm this way ... one could make a more difficult path, looks like an ugly hack too |
| 22:29.34 | KTL | http://www2.odn.ne.jp/piyokun/gaming/archive-200411.htm |
| 22:29.59 | KTL | euh srry wrong channel, but nice anyway, burned motherboard |
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| 22:36.17 | CBG | Folks, I have a folder full of IRC logs, and I need to search for a specific word, in all of them. Is there a fast way of doing this? |
| 22:36.27 | CBG | Perhaps through Terminal? |
| 22:36.48 | KTL | grep word folder/* |
| 22:37.02 | KTL | grep -i for case insensitive search |
| 22:37.16 | KTL | -r for recursive search |
| 22:37.45 | CBG | "Operation not permitted". :/ |
| 22:37.57 | ToughShooter | there's even ;) a man page of grab on most systems which have grep installed |
| 22:38.19 | KTL | ah you are not on linux? |
| 22:38.23 | CBG | OS X. |
| 22:38.54 | KTL | if it has grep then maybe with different syntax, check it's manual |
| 22:39.05 | CBG | Manual? heh. |
| 22:39.11 | KTL | man grep ? :) |
| 22:39.14 | CBG | Might be faster searching each file. :) |
| 22:39.23 | CBG | oooh, neat. |
| 22:39.23 | KTL | nooooo |
| 22:39.31 | KTL | never do your self what the processor can do in your place |
| 22:39.48 | KTL | even if it leads to lazyness :D |
| 22:40.13 | CBG | Heh, Ambition is just a poor excuse for not having enough sense to be lazy. |
| 22:40.20 | KTL | i am implementing that one |
| 22:40.33 | CBG | So, grep certainly exists. |
| 22:40.51 | KTL | blast007, restart breathing again quick! |
| 22:40.52 | CBG | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:41.00 | blast007 | gasp |
| 22:41.08 | blast007 | that doesn't work so good |
| 22:41.10 | CBG | I guess I ignore options, but then I have the same as what KTL said, anyway. |
| 22:41.13 | KTL | maybe you have no permissions to read the files? |
| 22:41.20 | ToughShooter | CBG: Actually being lazy can be a lot of work like you can see on the silvercat webpage that lists the admins etc and is automagically updated |
| 22:41.25 | CBG | Shall I do sudo, KTL? |
| 22:41.35 | ToughShooter | heh |
| 22:41.37 | CBG | ToughShooter: ? |
| 22:41.54 | KTL | ls -l shows the permissions, no reason to go root if they are ok |
| 22:42.03 | ToughShooter | CBG: You should know it... |
| 22:42.19 | CBG | ToughShooter: know what? |
| 22:42.27 | CBG | Oh my, it says "grep: detective: No such file or directory" |
| 22:42.30 | CBG | silly terminal... :/ |
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| 22:42.43 | ToughShooter | Knowing when you need more perms. I don't do everything with root rights for example |
| 22:42.55 | blast007 | "If you have a difficult task, give it to someone lazy...that person will find an easier way to do it." |
| 22:43.09 | KTL | echo boe > testfile; grep boe * |
| 22:43.15 | CBG | hang on. |
| 22:43.21 | CBG | I had a messed up command. :/ |
| 22:44.44 | CBG | ToughShooter: Well, I am an system admin, so I can't think what perms I am missing. :) |
| 22:45.06 | purple_cow | you're a sysadmin and you hadn't heard of grep? |
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| 22:45.26 | CBG | System admin is just a fancy way of saying that this is my computer. :P |
| 22:45.27 | KTL | wel having a pc makes you the administrator of the thing i guess :D |
| 22:45.34 | CBG | Damn right. ;) |
| 22:45.37 | JeffM2501 | and that he's on a mac |
| 22:45.41 | JeffM2501 | aka "unix" |
| 22:45.43 | purple_cow | oh, you have the administrator account |
| 22:45.49 | purple_cow | that's different than "being a system admin" |
| 22:46.04 | CBG | Well, I would think That the account should have pretty much full perms... |
| 22:46.18 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, did you see the prety picture of the robot tank? |
| 22:46.22 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: no |
| 22:46.37 | KTL | chown -r you:you * gives everything to you, don't do it with the root directory :D |
| 22:46.48 | CBG | I did Jeff, I want to reply to the post and explain to folk what GPx01 is, but... |
| 22:47.04 | CBG | I want the link to the readme for it, which is in one of my irc logs. |
| 22:47.11 | JeffM2501 | I just want the thing modeled |
| 22:47.20 | CBG | But I can't find it in the ones I thing are of the right dates. :( |
| 22:48.08 | JeffM2501 | you searching IRC dosn't get it modeled faster ;) |
| 22:48.35 | CBG | No, of course not. :) |
| 22:48.39 | KTL | -n tells you where in the file it found the pattern btw |
| 22:48.40 | purple_cow | cute |
| 22:48.49 | JeffM2501 | it's like batman tank |
| 22:48.56 | KTL | batman begins? |
| 22:49.03 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:49.07 | JeffM2501 | big old tonka tires |
| 22:49.16 | KTL | just watched it again, wanna have that :D |
| 22:49.19 | JeffM2501 | realy? |
| 22:49.21 | JeffM2501 | it's a good movie |
| 22:49.23 | KTL | "does it come in black?" |
| 22:49.29 | CBG | Woah, it seems to be working. |
| 22:49.35 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, you would like it |
| 22:49.41 | JeffM2501 | it rates up there with the first 2 |
| 22:49.41 | CBG | grep detective /path/ results in : |
| 22:49.44 | purple_cow | yeah, probably |
| 22:49.48 | ToughShooter | CBG: Sounds like your installation is funny :) |
| 22:49.58 | JeffM2501 | it's better then Fantastic 4 |
| 22:49.58 | CBG | repeating the message here |
| 22:50.13 | CBG | ToughShooter: why? |
| 22:50.19 | purple_cow | how does it compare with the adam west one? |
| 22:50.41 | KTL | fantastic 4 is just like xmen bwa |
| 22:51.12 | JeffM2501 | umm |
| 22:51.22 | JeffM2501 | the movie or the batmobile? |
| 22:51.28 | JeffM2501 | tho the answer is the same |
| 22:51.36 | ToughShooter | CBG: I do everything with not more than needed perms so I am not causing certain problems. If you don't know you might have those probs (without realizing it) ;) |
| 22:51.36 | JeffM2501 | it would eat the adam west one for brunch |
| 22:51.58 | CBG | ToughShooter: problems caused by using sudo...? |
| 22:52.38 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 22:52.40 | ToughShooter | CBG: Probs everywhere. I've seen quite a few broken installations :) |
| 22:52.55 | KTL | grep -ri detective /path/* |
| 22:52.58 | CBG | ToughShooter: Why do you think my installation is broken? |
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| 22:53.04 | CBG | I havent had any problems... |
| 22:53.13 | CBG | KTL, what will that do now? |
| 22:53.34 | KTL | search in the files recursively and case insensitive |
| 22:53.44 | KTL | without the * you are searching in nothing |
| 22:53.46 | CBG | recursively? |
| 22:54.10 | KTL | in fact you have to use the * or the -r, if you don't you search in the map itself, which does not contain tect |
| 22:54.12 | KTL | text |
| 22:54.17 | ToughShooter | CBG: never mind |
| 22:54.28 | CBG | But I do mind. |
| 22:54.35 | CBG | You tell me my installation is broken...? |
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| 22:54.46 | CBG | KTL: That did it! W00t. thanks! |
| 22:54.59 | KTL | of course not, if these basic things don't work then your system doesn't even boot |
| 22:56.12 | KTL | *rrrrrr* |
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| 22:56.42 | silverfox | newplug.sh:"Edit configure.ac and add a line for the plugins/$1/Makefile near the end" |
| 22:56.48 | silverfox | This isn't entirely clear to me. |
| 22:57.46 | silverfox | should that be Makefile.am ? I'm not familiar with configure.ac. Does simply specifying the Makefile.am cause autoconfigure to include it? |
| 22:58.18 | purple_cow | silverfox: have you looked at configure.ac? |
| 22:58.42 | purple_cow | it should be pretty obvious |
| 22:59.16 | KTL | configure.ac is converted to ./configure by ... autoconf iirc... and automake converts the Makefile.am into Makefile.in ? and ./configure converts the Makefile.in into Makefile? and make executes them... |
| 22:59.32 | KTL | obvious lol |
| 23:01.59 | silverfox | heh.. ok. |
| 23:02.17 | silverfox | so, configure.ac is nothing more than a list of Makefile.am's? |
| 23:02.27 | KTL | nono |
| 23:02.51 | KTL | if i make a project then i create configure.ac and several Makefile.am's |
| 23:02.55 | silverfox | then why does the comment in newplug.sh tell me to simply "add a line near the bottom"? |
| 23:02.58 | KTL | and the rest should be automated |
| 23:04.38 | purple_cow | silverfox: there's a section "near the bottom" that contains a list of makefiles to generate |
| 23:05.01 | purple_cow | it doesn't mean "stick it anywhere", it means "look at the file and it will be obvious to you" |
| 23:06.36 | silverfox | which is what I expected, but it wasn't obvious to me (hence the dumb look) |
| 23:06.49 | silverfox | and do I include the .am suffic? |
| 23:06.51 | silverfox | x |
| 23:06.57 | silverfox | doesn't look like it. |
| 23:19.12 | Tupone | ~x en it praising |
| 23:19.27 | Aribeth | hi Tupone |
| 23:19.39 | Tupone | hi Aribeth |
| 23:19.48 | Tupone | 60 mines :) |
| 23:20.03 | Aribeth | heh, im mining now |
| 23:20.48 | TD-Linux | don't talk about mining! it brings me horrible memories of RuneScape!!! AARGH! |
| 23:21.03 | Aribeth | aww, tkx |
| 23:21.18 | Aribeth | jeff, where? |
| 23:21.56 | Aribeth | those poor jawas |
| 23:21.58 | JeffM2501 | on tatooene |
| 23:22.06 | JeffM2501 | have you ever meet one, they are bastards |
| 23:22.09 | Aribeth | in what game? |
| 23:22.50 | Aribeth | well, if they are evil, then yes |
| 23:23.05 | TD-Linux | ever played X-Wing? |
| 23:23.15 | TD-Linux | for fast 386 |
| 23:23.15 | Aribeth | no |
| 23:23.17 | TD-Linux | and up? |
| 23:23.36 | TD-Linux | do you have 8 MB of RAM? |
| 23:24.04 | TD-Linux | It's a very high-end game, so be warned |
| 23:24.07 | TD-Linux | DOS 6.0+ |
| 23:24.22 | JeffM2501 | star wars galaxies |
| 23:24.38 | JeffM2501 | swg basicly has xwing/tie fighter in it |
| 23:24.40 | Aribeth | ahh, almost got it once |
| 23:24.44 | JeffM2501 | as the space battles |
| 23:24.50 | JeffM2501 | Aribeth, it used to suck, and suck hard |
| 23:24.54 | JeffM2501 | they did a major game change |
| 23:24.56 | JeffM2501 | it's more fun now |
| 23:25.02 | Aribeth | good |
| 23:25.11 | JeffM2501 | pissed off a lot of players |
| 23:25.14 | TD-Linux | X-Wing has a full gourald-shaded 3D renderer... at 640x480 |
| 23:25.15 | JeffM2501 | but it had to be done |
| 23:25.24 | TD-Linux | Do you get to blow up the Death Star with a B-Wing? |
| 23:25.33 | Aribeth | im just waiting for the day i can kill that evil chicken in runescape |
| 23:25.34 | JeffM2501 | no you never blow up the death star |
| 23:25.38 | JeffM2501 | it's allredy been blowed up |
| 23:25.44 | Aribeth | its level 121 |
| 23:26.04 | TD-Linux | on X-Wing it has been too, but in the re-created missions, you can do it as an X-Wing |
| 23:26.16 | TD-Linux | cool music... I am working on recording the MIDI |
| 23:26.33 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, swg is a masivly multiplayer pseristant world game |
| 23:26.42 | JeffM2501 | it's all online with many other people |
| 23:26.49 | JeffM2501 | you don't get to just reset the world |
| 23:26.57 | TD-Linux | that's neat |
| 23:27.10 | TD-Linux | X-Wing was before the Internet :P |
| 23:31.58 | silverfox | X-Wing was sweet. |
| 23:32.10 | TD-Linux | I play it with DOS-BOX |
| 23:32.45 | TD-Linux | I have the Collector CD-ROM version, it added missions from B-Wing and Imperial Pursuit, and added better shading |
| 23:33.00 | TD-Linux | otherwise exactly the same as the floppy disk version |
| 23:36.28 | Tupone | brlcad: you know you can have a cloack that says you are a member of the brlcad project? |
| 23:37.25 | Tupone | aww, probably you already have that :) |
| 23:38.03 | brlcad | yep |
| 23:38.30 | brlcad | I don't use it myself as I already have the supporter cloak |
| 23:39.42 | Tupone | I wonder if TimRiker did it |
| 23:43.15 | *** part/#bzflag silverfox (i=SilverFo@68-116-46-14.static.mdfd.or.charter.com) |
| 23:53.43 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (BZWReader.cxx CustomWorld.cxx SpawnPosition.cxx): |
| 23:53.44 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: - added "noWalls" and "freeCtfSpawns" to the world map object |
| 23:53.44 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: - made the world map object parsing case insensitive |
| 23:54.18 | trepan | freeCtfSpawns should probably be a cmdline opt, with a better name |
