| 00:00.01 | Patlabor221 | yes the first servers were just hubs as BearPerson stated |
| 00:00.08 | sonnentier | yes |
| 00:00.09 | sonnentier | ok |
| 00:00.10 | Patlabor221 | the current server does more |
| 00:00.13 | Patlabor221 | but not all it should |
| 00:00.19 | sonnentier | ok |
| 00:00.23 | Patlabor221 | the final goal is to have the server keep a gamestate with the client |
| 00:00.36 | Patlabor221 | if there is a disagreement in states, the server is the "RIGHT" one |
| 00:00.41 | sonnentier | ok |
| 00:00.55 | Patlabor221 | then that masivly reduces the cheats a client can do on a clean server |
| 00:01.21 | Patlabor221 | for the problem of a cheating server there isn't much you can do, even in a "vote" system, since a bad server could "fix" the votes |
| 00:01.34 | sonnentier | yes |
| 00:01.42 | sonnentier | you shouldnt be on a abad server |
| 00:01.44 | Patlabor221 | cheating servers arn't that big of a problem, since once they are determented to be cheaters, people just don't go there |
| 00:01.49 | Patlabor221 | and we delist it |
| 00:02.05 | sonnentier | yes players can join more easily |
| 00:02.22 | Patlabor221 | it's not rocket science, nearly every other network game out there does it on some variation of that sceme |
| 00:02.35 | sonnentier | also what is a cheatings server for, a guy who does everything the people go to his server so he can cheat there? |
| 00:02.54 | Patlabor221 | yeah it's basicly pointless |
| 00:03.20 | Patlabor221 | the only hard cheats to beat would then be aimbots, and cheats that give a client more info then a standard one |
| 00:03.23 | Patlabor221 | those are hard to find |
| 00:03.38 | Patlabor221 | but a minimal impact on the game when compared to the god mode ones |
| 00:03.49 | Patlabor221 | you can't get 100% of the cheaters |
| 00:03.57 | Patlabor221 | so why waste time trying |
| 00:04.05 | sonnentier | ok |
| 00:04.05 | Patlabor221 | just make it hard enough so it's pointless to do it |
| 00:04.23 | sonnentier | currently liek the death check is a bit "easy" |
| 00:04.39 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 00:04.44 | sonnentier | how can a cleint gather more informatuion than a normal one? |
| 00:04.47 | Patlabor221 | there are speed and position checks that we can do now |
| 00:04.56 | Patlabor221 | it can't gather more, but it can display more |
| 00:04.58 | BearPerson | some of the extra info cheats can be countered, like the flag coloring |
| 00:05.01 | Patlabor221 | like leting you see thru buildings |
| 00:05.05 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 00:05.14 | BearPerson | though that can still be beat, I proof-of-concept'ed it once |
| 00:05.16 | Patlabor221 | we could get rid of sending the clients the extra info |
| 00:05.35 | sonnentier | ah ok |
| 00:05.42 | BearPerson | didn't put up any patch of that, of course |
| 00:05.45 | menotume | Merry Christmas (GMT) |
| 00:05.47 | Patlabor221 | BearPerson, I allways wanted to just send em it on pickup, and when you have ID, just send them the ID flag update as text, not what one it is :) |
| 00:06.03 | sonnentier | :) |
| 00:06.03 | BearPerson | not neccessarily helps :) |
| 00:06.13 | BearPerson | the problem is that the flag list stays sorted |
| 00:06.21 | Patlabor221 | so we resort it |
| 00:06.29 | BearPerson | there's also the semi-legal "flag watching" |
| 00:06.34 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 00:06.39 | BearPerson | that's frowned upon a lot |
| 00:06.43 | Patlabor221 | basicly the client would have to track it all |
| 00:06.49 | sonnentier | ok |
| 00:06.53 | purple_cow | BearPerson: what's "flag watching"? |
| 00:06.56 | Patlabor221 | or we change gameplay to make every droped flag "despawn" |
| 00:07.02 | Patlabor221 | then a new one from the pool respawns |
| 00:07.17 | BearPerson | when someone (e.g. you) drop a L flag, you watch where a flag spawns at the time yours vanishes |
| 00:07.22 | Patlabor221 | purple_cow, knowing when people drop |
| 00:07.29 | BearPerson | that flag will be the same L flag |
| 00:07.42 | Patlabor221 | the fixed list of allways flags makes it possible |
| 00:07.58 | BearPerson | yeah |
| 00:07.59 | sonnentier | ok |
| 00:08.15 | BearPerson | my hack was nothing but "if server says it's an ID flag, reset to what it was before" |
| 00:09.03 | sonnentier | ? |
| 00:09.13 | sonnentier | reset to what it was before? |
| 00:09.25 | BearPerson | you don't need to understand :P |
| 00:09.30 | sonnentier | ok :) |
| 00:09.34 | BearPerson | in fact, you probably should better not ;-) |
| 00:09.55 | sonnentier | :) |
| 00:10.08 | sonnentier | i wouldnt cheat.. if that is a problem |
| 00:10.15 | sonnentier | ;) |
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| 00:10.42 | BearPerson | my proof-of-concept client had version string changed from DEVEL->CHEAT ;-) |
| 00:10.58 | sonnentier | lol :) |
| 00:10.59 | Patlabor221 | I want to redo all of the flags anyway |
| 00:11.02 | purple_cow | i think the first flag-related problem we need to tackle is how server operators aren't using bad flags right ;) |
| 00:11.17 | purple_cow | Patlabor221: naw, screamers ;) |
| 00:11.20 | sonnentier | can they set a bad flag on a player? |
| 00:11.42 | BearPerson | maybe he's referring to "drop bad flag after 5 seconds" |
| 00:11.47 | purple_cow | BearPerson: yep |
| 00:11.47 | sonnentier | ok |
| 00:12.00 | purple_cow | what's the point of a bad flag if it doesn't challenge the player? |
| 00:12.01 | sonnentier | ah ok :) |
| 00:12.09 | sonnentier | yeah 5 is so schort |
| 00:12.10 | Patlabor221 | purple_cow, what language are you going to use now? |
| 00:12.11 | BearPerson | well, I think that just depends on the type/spirit of the server |
| 00:12.17 | sonnentier | in my LAN they start crying if i set 15seconds |
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| 00:12.25 | purple_cow | Patlabor221: hell, i dunno |
| 00:12.28 | sonnentier | i have antiodote and drop after one win |
| 00:12.33 | Patlabor221 | lisp! |
| 00:12.36 | purple_cow | no |
| 00:12.41 | BearPerson | on some, "it's a slap in the face for being too greedy" |
| 00:12.55 | BearPerson | on others, they're intended as a challenge |
| 00:13.09 | Patlabor221 | well I allways vote C++ |
| 00:13.13 | Patlabor221 | but I could learn C# |
| 00:13.22 | Patlabor221 | I have it installed at home now |
| 00:13.23 | purple_cow | C++ makes development slow |
| 00:13.43 | purple_cow | i'll see if i can get ogredotnet to build now... |
| 00:13.49 | purple_cow | it seems a little less maintained than i'd prefer |
| 00:14.34 | purple_cow | pyogre builds just fine ;) |
| 00:15.23 | sonnentier | what operating system you use? |
| 00:16.47 | purple_cow | who? |
| 00:16.57 | purple_cow | Patlabor221: C# is trivial |
| 00:16.57 | sonnentier | all who like to answer :) |
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| 00:24.45 | Patlabor221 | purple_cow, yeah it looked it |
| 00:24.53 | Patlabor221 | mostly I'd have to relearn the IDE |
| 00:24.59 | Patlabor221 | or beat it with a spoon |
| 00:25.48 | purple_cow | or develop on linux ;) |
| 00:27.02 | purple_cow | aw, .net bindings still don't build |
| 00:28.53 | purple_cow | yeah, looks like the current "maintainer" has decided he doesn't have the time |
| 00:28.58 | purple_cow | pyogre? :) |
| 00:30.21 | Patlabor221 | ogre is nice an all but if there are other engines it would be fine |
| 00:30.41 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 00:30.51 | Patlabor221 | ogre has a crap gui api |
| 00:31.07 | purple_cow | that's true |
| 00:31.28 | purple_cow | which is a shame, since the rest of OGRE has such a great API |
| 00:31.34 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 00:31.39 | Patlabor221 | well it's a difrent author |
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| 00:31.50 | Patlabor221 | and I think they just said "aww screw it... that api works" |
| 00:33.05 | Patlabor221 | whooot |
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| 00:37.14 | purple_cow | i wonder how CS is doing |
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| 00:47.31 | Patlabor221 | cs seems to have many dependencys |
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| 00:48.09 | Patlabor221 | maybe soon you'll be able to see the mini tanks |
| 00:48.46 | Patlabor221 | I made myself not put VC on this system when I came to AZ |
| 00:48.56 | Patlabor221 | so the only OS that has a compiler is linux |
| 00:50.37 | purple_cow | sigh |
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| 00:50.43 | purple_cow | the 3d engine situation is kind of barren |
| 00:51.28 | purple_cow | the mature ones are a maze of dependencies and crummy bindings, and the neat-looking new ones (like soya) don't have the features |
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| 01:09.57 | cusco | hello |
| 01:10.27 | cusco | I never played before.. I just installed it and I feel like I need to take a course to learn how to play hehe |
| 01:12.31 | menotume | you could try the Micro$oft accredidation course for bzflag |
| 01:12.37 | menotume | will cost $5000 though |
| 01:19.53 | Patlabor221 | you get a nice paper to put on the wall |
| 01:29.16 | menotume | :) |
| 01:31.12 | devster | did u get it for giftmas? |
| 01:41.23 | silverfox | cusco, point, shoot. |
| 01:41.27 | silverfox | space bar to drop a flag. |
| 01:41.41 | silverfox | don't shoot similarly colored tanks (generally) |
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| 02:03.11 | Ice_Wewe | Hey jeffm2501, I didn't know you lived in Washington state |
| 02:03.17 | jeffm2501 | I don't |
| 02:03.35 | Ice_Wewe | well wtf... |
| 02:03.37 | Ice_Wewe | [root@piko ~]# whois 67.137.48.171 |
| 02:03.42 | Ice_Wewe | City: Vancouver |
| 02:03.42 | Ice_Wewe | StateProv: WA |
| 02:03.42 | Ice_Wewe | PostalCode: 98662 |
| 02:03.48 | jeffm2501 | umm ok |
| 02:03.51 | jeffm2501 | what ever that means |
| 02:04.07 | BearPerson | maybe his ISP is based in vancouver, WA |
| 02:04.25 | jeffm2501 | I'm not even at home |
| 02:04.32 | Ice_Wewe | so his packets go from California to Washington? That seems like a lot of extra work. |
| 02:04.42 | jeffm2501 | I'm not in california |
| 02:04.49 | BearPerson | the whois info is no traceroute, either |
| 02:04.58 | Ice_Wewe | ok, I'll do a traceroute |
| 02:05.16 | BearPerson | it is the postal address of the person responsible for the IP range, not the physical location of the routers |
| 02:05.32 | jeffm2501 | huh? |
| 02:05.38 | BearPerson | fire and ice |
| 02:05.57 | Ice_Wewe | uhhh yea, _thats_ what I meant.... |
| 02:07.56 | Ice_Wewe | lol, so much stuff hates me |
| 02:08.05 | Ice_Wewe | I go to throw a snowball, I almost break a finger... |
| 02:08.17 | Ice_Wewe | I go to watch a movie, I bang my elbow on the table... |
| 02:08.35 | jeffm2501 | no, that's just you being clumsy |
| 02:08.37 | Ice_Wewe | *sigh* not a good day... |
| 02:08.38 | Ice_Wewe | lol |
| 02:09.30 | Ice_Wewe | what was I gonna do? oh right, set the topic... |
| 02:13.43 | jeffm2501 | or some sort of gag |
| 02:14.25 | jeffm2501 | anyone think of a reason my system can't find g++? |
| 02:14.46 | Tupone | jeffm2501: config.log please :) |
| 02:14.51 | Tupone | and configure.ac |
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| 02:16.11 | Tupone | I wonder if you put AC_PROG_CXX macro in configure.ac |
| 02:16.19 | Ice_Wewe | Grumbler: oh good, it's worth more this year... |
| 02:16.23 | jeffm2501 | Tupone, I just ran it default |
| 02:16.36 | jeffm2501 | system dosn't have a symlink to g++, has it to g++-4.0 |
| 02:16.53 | Ice_Wewe | Grumbler: last year there was to much stuff on top, and it was close to the fire, so when I woke up, I had diamonds!!! |
| 02:16.54 | Tupone | so, no autoconf |
| 02:17.02 | jeffm2501 | I installed autoconf |
| 02:17.17 | Ice_Wewe | jeffm2501: make a link from g++-4.0 to g++ |
| 02:17.18 | Tupone | what system is ? |
| 02:17.22 | jeffm2501 | autoconf (GNU Autoconf) 2.59 |
| 02:17.22 | jeffm2501 | Written by David J. MacKenzie and Akim Demaille. |
| 02:17.25 | jeffm2501 | ubuntu |
| 02:17.27 | jeffm2501 | new install |
| 02:17.45 | Tupone | probably a gcc-config, dunno |
| 02:17.53 | jeffm2501 | made a symlink, and it's doing a lot better |
| 02:18.11 | Ice_Wewe | yay! I was semi-useful! |
| 02:18.24 | Tupone | yeahm but I wonder why they made that. Only if is not main gcc version, I guess |
| 02:18.33 | jeffm2501 | Ice_Wewe, I had allready done that when you said it |
| 02:18.45 | jeffm2501 | I don't think I installed it right |
| 02:18.45 | Ice_Wewe | jeffm2501: well darn |
| 02:18.51 | jeffm2501 | I didn't have the problem on my other system |
| 02:18.53 | jeffm2501 | same distro |
| 02:19.16 | jeffm2501 | now this is the fun one |
| 02:19.19 | jeffm2501 | jeffm@luna:~/bzflag$ make |
| 02:19.19 | jeffm2501 | bash: make: command not found |
| 02:19.32 | Ice_Wewe | roflmao! |
| 02:19.52 | Ice_Wewe | [root@piko ~]# which make |
| 02:19.52 | Ice_Wewe | /usr/bin/make |
| 02:19.57 | Ice_Wewe | try doing /usr/bin/make |
| 02:20.59 | jeffm2501 | bbiab, pizza is here |
| 02:21.09 | jeffm2501 | took 3 hours to make, so it better be good |
| 02:31.53 | jeffm2501 | any idea what package make is in? |
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| 02:32.14 | jeffm2501 | or Tupone do you still want to see my log? to see if I'm missing anyhing else? |
| 02:32.43 | Tupone | naha, you need to install make I guess |
| 02:33.01 | jeffm2501 | how could it not have make? |
| 02:34.29 | jeffm2501 | 'perantly I have makedev and makedependencys but never installed make |
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| 02:36.12 | Ice_Wewe | jeffm2501: hmm, an OS that doesn't install make by default... I'm not gonna run it. ;) |
| 02:36.56 | jeffm2501 | like I say, I think I did it wrong, the install on my main macine worked fine |
| 02:37.02 | jeffm2501 | had make and GCC just fine |
| 02:37.08 | Ice_Wewe | did you do like a minimal install? |
| 02:37.13 | jeffm2501 | maybe |
| 02:37.16 | jeffm2501 | didn't mean to |
| 02:39.04 | Ice_Wewe | lol, my screen saver on my mac is a "20th century voyage" but it can pick up things from RSS, and it just picked up "2005, Tsunami victim's remembered" |
| 02:39.13 | Ice_Wewe | lol, I guess that means they were "forgotten" |
| 02:39.18 | jeffm2501 | I was allso mucking around with video cards during install, may have missed a step |
| 02:39.34 | Ice_Wewe | jeffm2501: you don't use icky intrgrated video, do you? |
| 02:39.42 | jeffm2501 | not anymore |
| 02:39.47 | jeffm2501 | hence the mucking around with video cards |
| 02:39.56 | jeffm2501 | system came with onboard |
| 02:39.56 | Ice_Wewe | I see |
| 02:39.58 | jeffm2501 | had to be replaced |
| 02:40.07 | Ice_Wewe | mine has onboard, I don't use it though |
| 02:40.08 | Ice_Wewe | I |
| 02:40.39 | Ice_Wewe | (whoops) I've gotta stop dissing intigrated.... I'll have to use it when I go AMD64... |
| 02:41.11 | jeffm2501 | why? |
| 02:41.14 | jeffm2501 | and what mobo? |
| 02:41.23 | jeffm2501 | not all integrated is bad |
| 02:41.33 | jeffm2501 | the new nvida and ATI offerings are good chipsets for video |
| 02:41.41 | jeffm2501 | intel, via, and SIS are not so hot |
| 02:41.42 | Ice_Wewe | jeffm2501: because I haven't found a PCI-E video card that does what I want, and is a good price. |
| 02:41.48 | Ice_Wewe | one sec... |
| 02:41.54 | jeffm2501 | what price do you want? |
| 02:41.59 | Ice_Wewe | [root@piko ~]# which make |
| 02:41.59 | Ice_Wewe | /usr/bin/make |
| 02:42.02 | Ice_Wewe | arggg |
| 02:42.03 | Ice_Wewe | one sec |
| 02:42.08 | Ice_Wewe | http://www.biostar-usa.com/mbdetails.asp?model=tforce+6100-939 |
| 02:42.09 | Ice_Wewe | there |
| 02:42.25 | Ice_Wewe | something less than 200, that can do SLi, and has GDDR3 |
| 02:42.34 | jeffm2501 | yeah that's a full 6100 onboard |
| 02:42.48 | jeffm2501 | that's not a SLI mobo |
| 02:42.54 | Ice_Wewe | jeffm2501: that any good? I mean, I know the GPU is gonna be better than my 5200 right now |
| 02:42.57 | Ice_Wewe | jeffm2501: I know |
| 02:43.19 | jeffm2501 | yeah it's like an onboard 6200 |
| 02:43.32 | jeffm2501 | and every PCI-E card should do SLI from nvidia |
| 02:43.43 | jeffm2501 | get a couple of 6600's |
| 02:43.48 | Ice_Wewe | hmmm, so expect better from the intigrated than what I have now? |
| 02:43.56 | jeffm2501 | then a 52 |
| 02:44.00 | jeffm2501 | yeah probalby |
| 02:44.05 | jeffm2501 | 52's are slow |
| 02:44.19 | Ice_Wewe | yes, I only realised that AFTER that fact... kinda to late |
| 02:44.33 | Ice_Wewe | I have intigrated now, but it's a SiS chipset, didn't you say those suck? |
| 02:44.56 | jeffm2501 | those suck the most of the suckyest suck that could suck |
| 02:44.58 | jeffm2501 | next to intel |
| 02:45.28 | jeffm2501 | if you want to spend 200 on SLI, you realy are hurting yourself |
| 02:45.39 | Ice_Wewe | jeffm2501: http://pccyber.com/scrItem.asp?product_id=7412&product_subtypes_id=415&product_types_id=26 |
| 02:45.40 | jeffm2501 | a single 6800 is way faster then 2 6600's in SLI |
| 02:45.58 | jeffm2501 | holly crap? |
| 02:46.06 | Ice_Wewe | what? |
| 02:46.07 | jeffm2501 | dude I paid 80$ for those |
| 02:46.12 | Ice_Wewe | where? |
| 02:46.12 | jeffm2501 | that is a total rip off |
| 02:46.15 | jeffm2501 | pc club |
| 02:46.26 | Ice_Wewe | sorta like costco for computer parts? |
| 02:46.32 | jeffm2501 | no |
| 02:46.35 | jeffm2501 | just a computer store |
| 02:46.35 | Ice_Wewe | then what? |
| 02:46.39 | Ice_Wewe | web site? |
| 02:46.43 | jeffm2501 | take a guess |
| 02:46.46 | jeffm2501 | there were on sale |
| 02:46.48 | jeffm2501 | but 200 |
| 02:46.49 | Ice_Wewe | pcclub.com? |
| 02:46.50 | jeffm2501 | that's insane |
| 02:46.54 | Ice_Wewe | CDN |
| 02:46.59 | jeffm2501 | you can get a 6800 GS for 200 |
| 02:47.05 | jeffm2501 | and a 7800 for 300 |
| 02:47.17 | Ice_Wewe | jeffm2501: it's Canadian, a 7800GT is $700 |
| 02:47.46 | jeffm2501 | what's that work out in conversion? |
| 02:48.17 | jeffm2501 | http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=322749&affiliate=pricewatch |
| 02:48.28 | Ice_Wewe | jeffm2501: www.xe.com/ucc/ |
| 02:48.29 | jeffm2501 | ibot convert 300.00cdn to USD |
| 02:48.41 | jeffm2501 | ibot convert 300.00cnd to USD |
| 02:48.54 | Ice_Wewe | hehe, not programmed |
| 02:49.06 | jeffm2501 | no I did the units wrong |
| 02:49.13 | Ice_Wewe | 300.00 USD |
| 02:49.13 | Ice_Wewe | United States Dollars = 349.620 CAD |
| 02:49.14 | Ice_Wewe | Canada Dollars |
| 02:49.20 | Ice_Wewe | $350 |
| 02:49.52 | jeffm2501 | exactly |
| 02:49.53 | Ice_Wewe | 200.00 USD |
| 02:49.53 | Ice_Wewe | United States Dollars = 233.080 CAD |
| 02:49.53 | Ice_Wewe | Canada Dollars |
| 02:50.03 | jeffm2501 | 700 that's freaking insane for a 7800gt |
| 02:50.09 | jeffm2501 | dude your geting screwed |
| 02:50.22 | Ice_Wewe | jeffm2501: (rip off?) http://pccyber.com/scrItem.asp?product_subtypes_id=518&product_types_id=19&product_id=4551 |
| 02:51.19 | jeffm2501 | seems high |
| 02:51.45 | Ice_Wewe | jeffm2501: yea, last week it was only $180... |
| 02:51.49 | jeffm2501 | I know we offten see 3500's with mobos for 200 |
| 02:51.55 | Ice_Wewe | they freaking jacked the price for christmas |
| 02:52.07 | jeffm2501 | welcome to capitalism |
| 02:52.21 | jeffm2501 | I'd not buy a PC now, not unless it was on sale |
| 02:52.31 | jeffm2501 | get it first-> second week of jan |
| 02:52.55 | Ice_Wewe | why? |
| 02:53.10 | jeffm2501 | more stuff will be on sale |
| 02:53.28 | jeffm2501 | 3200's run about 135$ |
| 02:53.33 | Ice_Wewe | really? We generally have a "Boxing Week" sale after christmas, increadable deals |
| 02:53.37 | jeffm2501 | up to 160 |
| 02:53.57 | jeffm2501 | if these are the "deals" your showing me, then I'm not impressed |
| 02:54.03 | Ice_Wewe | 135.00 USD |
| 02:54.03 | Ice_Wewe | United States Dollars = 157.329 CAD |
| 02:54.03 | Ice_Wewe | Canada Dollars |
| 02:54.07 | Ice_Wewe | jeffm2501: hardly |
| 02:54.16 | jeffm2501 | this system is a full semperon 2400 for 179$ |
| 02:55.49 | Ice_Wewe | wow |
| 02:56.01 | jeffm2501 | and realy, save your money for ether a 6800 or better |
| 02:56.03 | Ice_Wewe | well it's either another 17" LCD, or a AMD64 |
| 02:56.05 | jeffm2501 | instead of 2 6600's |
| 02:56.30 | Ice_Wewe | jeffm2501: which is why I'm getting a mobo with intigrated so I can wait till some increadable deal comes along and bites me in the nose |
| 02:56.31 | jeffm2501 | what SLI compatable games do you run? |
| 02:56.43 | jeffm2501 | Ice_Wewe, your going to have to replace the mobo |
| 02:57.26 | Ice_Wewe | jeffm2501: yes, I know, but I couldn't find one with SLi that had intigrated... |
| 02:57.33 | jeffm2501 | because they don't |
| 02:57.38 | Ice_Wewe | jeffm2501: none, yet. Linux _just_ got SLi support |
| 02:57.43 | jeffm2501 | get an sli mobo and crap card |
| 02:57.53 | jeffm2501 | Ice_Wewe, that dosn't mean that anything uses SLI |
| 02:58.03 | jeffm2501 | games have to be writen to support it properly |
| 02:58.12 | jeffm2501 | and many apps can't support it |
| 02:58.22 | jeffm2501 | since they do things SLI can't handle |
| 02:58.51 | jeffm2501 | you should be able to get an SLI mobo for 80$ |
| 02:59.01 | jeffm2501 | slap a single 6600 in it for another 80 |
| 02:59.10 | jeffm2501 | then when you want to go SLI, get a couple 6800's |
| 02:59.16 | jeffm2501 | and keep the 6600 for a spare |
| 02:59.23 | jeffm2501 | better then pitching an entire mobo |
| 02:59.44 | jeffm2501 | or get one 6800 when you can affort it, replace the 6600 |
| 02:59.48 | jeffm2501 | it'll be faster |
| 02:59.56 | jeffm2501 | then get a second 6800 even later |
| 03:00.38 | Ice_Wewe | jeffm2501: a good SLi mobo is $250. A cheap PCI-E card is $100, and thats a turbo-cache one. The CPU is $200. My limit for this upgrade is $400 |
| 03:00.51 | Ice_Wewe | you're at $550 |
| 03:00.54 | jeffm2501 | 400 cdn? |
| 03:01.03 | Ice_Wewe | yea |
| 03:01.24 | jeffm2501 | what ram do you have now? |
| 03:01.25 | Ice_Wewe | I've bought 2 freaking computers this year, I'm not made of money... |
| 03:01.31 | Ice_Wewe | 1.5GB DDR400 |
| 03:01.35 | jeffm2501 | oh |
| 03:01.40 | jeffm2501 | then you won't get dual channel |
| 03:01.51 | jeffm2501 | 3 512s? |
| 03:01.55 | Ice_Wewe | dual channel? |
| 03:02.01 | jeffm2501 | dual channel |
| 03:02.02 | Ice_Wewe | no. 1 512. 1 1024. |
| 03:02.05 | jeffm2501 | ok |
| 03:02.12 | jeffm2501 | yeah your screwed on dual channel then |
| 03:02.17 | Ice_Wewe | why? |
| 03:02.22 | Ice_Wewe | they have to be the same size? |
| 03:02.25 | jeffm2501 | if you have 2 dimms of the same size in the banks, it'll dual channel them and run them even faster |
| 03:02.26 | jeffm2501 | yes |
| 03:02.35 | jeffm2501 | same size, speed, make, etcc.. |
| 03:02.38 | Ice_Wewe | right |
| 03:02.39 | Ice_Wewe | got it |
| 03:02.39 | jeffm2501 | kinda a matched pair deal |
| 03:03.24 | jeffm2501 | if you only have that little money, I'd just wait |
| 03:03.27 | jeffm2501 | save up more |
| 03:03.33 | jeffm2501 | you'll waste more |
| 03:06.13 | Ice_Wewe | jeffm2501: that's what my parents said when I got my P4, but I proved them wrong... |
| 03:06.33 | Ice_Wewe | jeffm2501: I've only gotten more memory for this since I got it |
| 03:06.37 | Ice_Wewe | no other purchases |
| 03:06.46 | Ice_Wewe | then came the PowerBook 15", oh man, that was costly |
| 03:06.57 | Ice_Wewe | but worth every penny |
| 03:07.32 | jeffm2501 | then I'd wait more |
| 03:07.40 | jeffm2501 | your going to burn cash on going early |
| 03:08.02 | Ice_Wewe | jeffm2501: wait how long? 2 weeks? 3 weeks? 1 year? |
| 03:08.16 | Ice_Wewe | whoops, replace year with month |
| 03:08.20 | jeffm2501 | I don't know how often you get new cash |
| 03:08.41 | jeffm2501 | if it was me, I'd wait till I could get a 3500, SLI mobo, with a single 6800 |
| 03:10.11 | Ice_Wewe | jeffm2501: it'll be a while, I don't have any work for 3 months... |
| 03:10.29 | jeffm2501 | well then if I didn't want to waste the little money I allready had, I'd wait that long |
| 03:10.42 | Ice_Wewe | good idea |
| 03:10.45 | jeffm2501 | a 3200 just isn't THAT fast |
| 03:10.56 | jeffm2501 | gotta reboot to windows |
| 03:11.01 | Ice_Wewe | but... if it's the new Vienece core, you can OC |
| 03:11.07 | Ice_Wewe | or whatever AMD's calling it |
| 03:11.52 | Ice_Wewe | what is ibot website? |
| 03:11.57 | Ice_Wewe | ibot website |
| 03:13.48 | Ice_Wewe | bah |
| 03:13.51 | Ice_Wewe | good night all |
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| 03:42.58 | Grumbler | welcome back, to that same ole place that you laughed about, welcome back... |
| 03:43.09 | jeffm2501 | good times |
| 03:43.30 | Grumbler | mr cotter, mr cotter |
| 03:44.13 | jeffm2501 | sorry |
| 03:44.15 | jeffm2501 | I was close |
| 03:44.43 | Grumbler | np, close to the right time frame however |
| 03:45.28 | Grumbler | you never realize how large 9mb is, until you download at 23kb/s |
| 03:46.20 | jeffm2501 | heh |
| 03:47.14 | jeffm2501 | hmm |
| 03:47.21 | jeffm2501 | jeffm@luna:~/bzflag$ src/bzflag/bzflag |
| 03:47.21 | jeffm2501 | Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 03:47.21 | jeffm2501 | Could not set Video Mode: Couldn't find matching GLX visual. |
| 03:47.21 | jeffm2501 | Error creating window - Exiting |
| 03:58.05 | jeffm2501 | damn I am dumb |
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| 04:00.07 | Grumbler | http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system/platform/server/PAE/PAEmem.mspx |
| 04:00.25 | Grumbler | ug, sry...kept losing window focus in bz...it pasted here |
| 04:00.40 | jeffm2501 | heh |
| 04:03.10 | jeffm2501 | it helps if I load glx |
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| 04:20.30 | A_Meteorite | BTW... |
| 04:20.41 | A_Meteorite | Merry Christmas!! Happy Holy Days! |
| 04:20.44 | A_Meteorite | :D |
| 04:20.56 | A_Meteorite | cya later all, have a great Christmas tomorrow |
| 04:24.00 | jeffm2501 | happy decemberween |
| 04:57.40 | CIA-9 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10GPx01/ (7 files in 4 dirs): add lame thing to have both linux and OSX makefiles (ish) |
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| 05:30.55 | Cybodog | howdy, RedDog here (if that matters to anybody) |
| 05:31.05 | Cybodog | got a problem, can't figure it out. |
| 05:31.35 | Cybodog | I have no sound in bzflag, under options I have nada |
| 05:31.43 | Cybodog | ran bzflag from the cli and have this: |
| 05:31.55 | Cybodog | ~$ bzflag |
| 05:31.56 | Cybodog | Couldn't open audio: No available audio device |
| 05:31.56 | Cybodog | damon@Dam-Main:~$ |
| 05:32.26 | Cybodog | and yet I have audio in xfce4, can play wav files with totem, can hear kde in kde, no sound in gnome, wtf? |
| 05:33.07 | Cybodog | Oh ya, Merry Christmass to those that celibrate it! |
| 05:33.59 | Cybodog | yup, can play Louis Armstrong with gxine. |
| 05:34.24 | Cybodog | volume controls move the mixer, so that is correct. |
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| 07:47.52 | Danni07 | au.austnet.org |
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| 08:09.59 | SportChick | Happy Christmas everyone!!! |
| 08:10.07 | sniperyyd | ty :) |
| 08:10.11 | sniperyyd | you too :) |
| 08:16.37 | brlcad | Happy Hanukkah be that your style too |
| 08:21.10 | sniperyyd | hey, if i have my .png online put i would use addtexture http://.../ ? |
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| 08:38.07 | sniperyyd | hi all |
| 08:39.10 | sniperyyd | how to set the 'set' variables when the map is loaded |
| 08:39.25 | sniperyyd | what i would use options ... end ? |
| 08:50.28 | sniperyyd | ToughShooter: you have been on BZAddict my server :) |
| 09:02.25 | sniperyyd | ~bzfquery cristi.brite.ro |
| 09:02.34 | sniperyyd | :) |
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| 10:10.23 | sniperyyd | GLOBAL.ADMIN , is that group name correct? |
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| 12:05.29 | bluestorm | hi |
| 12:05.45 | bluestorm | could someone explain me how i could make a private server ? |
| 12:06.02 | bluestorm | juste setting a password would be OK |
| 12:06.24 | bluestorm | "man bzflag" showed me a "-passwd" option |
| 12:06.34 | bluestorm | but it is used for administrator pass |
| 12:06.48 | bluestorm | not for "without it you can't join" password |
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| 12:15.42 | crko | 1vs1 anyone? |
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| 12:27.19 | bluestorm | hum |
| 12:27.25 | bluestorm | nobody for my question ? |
| 12:30.31 | el_me3alim | ?? |
| 12:31.44 | el_me3alim | any body alive her |
| 12:31.46 | el_me3alim | here |
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| 13:20.51 | el_me3alim | plzzzzzzzzz |
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| 13:20.57 | el_me3alim | any body help me |
| 13:21.00 | el_me3alim | ........................... |
| 13:21.11 | el_me3alim | heelllllllllllllllllllllllllllppppppppppppppppppppppppppp |
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| 13:21.22 | el_me3alim | any body there |
| 13:21.52 | ToughShooter | Just ask your question |
| 13:21.57 | el_me3alim | ok, |
| 13:22.13 | el_me3alim | I want to participate coding in this projec |
| 13:22.16 | el_me3alim | project |
| 13:22.25 | el_me3alim | but I don't know where to start |
| 13:22.37 | el_me3alim | I even didn't found any documentation about the code |
| 13:22.56 | el_me3alim | I don't know where is the entry of the code |
| 13:23.01 | el_me3alim | can you help me |
| 13:23.37 | el_me3alim | hmmmmmmmm |
| 13:23.42 | el_me3alim | then......... |
| 13:23.48 | el_me3alim | I've asked my question |
| 13:23.53 | ToughShooter | http://bzflag.org/getin/ ;) |
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| 13:24.59 | ToughShooter | Hi Birdie |
| 13:25.06 | el_me3alim | thnx |
| 13:25.29 | el_me3alim | I'll mess around for a while then come back :) |
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| 16:04.18 | Ice_Wewe | Nidhoggr: you work for mandrake? |
| 16:29.56 | sniperyyd | is GLOBAL.ADMIN group existing? |
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| 17:42.00 | sniperyyd | hey i added my map to sourceforge |
| 17:42.14 | sniperyyd | but it didnt add the .bzw file to it// |
| 17:42.17 | sniperyyd | :* |
| 17:45.33 | sniperyyd | Oh. i didnt check that checkbox |
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| 19:49.25 | Nidhoggr | ice_wewe, no, my last name IRL is Mandrake. |
| 20:27.39 | cusco | happy christmas |
| 20:27.53 | cusco | I alwyas get killed on this game |
| 20:27.56 | cusco | :( |
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| 21:12.28 | silverfox | Mandrake is such a debonair surname. |
| 21:12.43 | silverfox | Makes me think of two things. |
| 21:12.48 | silverfox | 1) The linux distro |
| 21:12.53 | silverfox | 2) Moonraker |
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| 22:34.58 | A_Meteorite | JeffM2501: Are you there? |