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| 00:46.12 | bz2263 | how do i register for the badger king so that I may vote? |
| 00:46.35 | Tupone | bzbb.bzflag.org |
| 00:46.53 | Tupone | I suppose |
| 00:47.05 | bz2263 | thanks ill check that |
| 00:50.11 | TimRiker | ~bzreg |
| 00:50.13 | ibot | There is a central registration system for BZFlag. This same username and password can be used in game by entering it in the Join menu. Register on http://My.BZFlag.org/bb/ in the forums, and then use the same user/password for game play. |
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| 02:02.12 | Thumper_ | what's the point of a bzadmin user sending a private bzadminping message to itself on exit? |
| 02:02.33 | Thumper_ | when you remove TALK priv from EVERYONE - that hangs the client on exit |
| 02:02.43 | Thumper_ | assuming you don't have TALK priv... |
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| 02:10.39 | BenUrban | (21:09:26) treellama: alright what did you IRC losers do to mariusnet now |
| 02:10.47 | BenUrban | oops |
| 02:10.49 | BenUrban | wc |
| 02:11.01 | Thumper_ | guess we'll just bail and not wait for the message in that case |
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| 02:59.08 | Nidhoggr | whee and stuff. |
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| 02:59.18 | Nidhoggr | JeffM2501: |
| 02:59.22 | Nidhoggr | boO! |
| 02:59.42 | JeffM2501 | hi |
| 02:59.47 | Nidhoggr | what's happening? |
| 02:59.48 | JeffM2501 | happy new yers |
| 02:59.52 | JeffM2501 | watermellon |
| 02:59.53 | Nidhoggr | and to you, too. |
| 02:59.56 | JeffM2501 | that's what's happening |
| 02:59.57 | Nidhoggr | rhubarb |
| 02:59.59 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 03:00.27 | Nidhoggr | what was the stuff in scrollback about moves, etc? |
| 03:16.43 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03bthansen 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzadmin/BZAdminClient.cxx: Fix infinite loop on exit when not allowed to talk |
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| 04:38.06 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03bthansen 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/plugins/doc/ (events.html functions.html): Fix some typos |
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| 05:19.38 | I_Died_Once | is v2_0 CVS currently broken? |
| 05:20.25 | I_Died_Once | Would it be ok to use it for a server - ? |
| 05:20.52 | I_Died_Once | as in is anything known to be specifically broken or anything? |
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| 05:41.28 | blast007 | it should be okay |
| 05:41.41 | blast007 | 2.1 is the one with a lot of stuff changing |
| 05:59.24 | brlcad | those crazy people |
| 05:59.26 | brlcad | changing things |
| 06:02.10 | blast007 | :) |
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| 06:13.19 | PuMpErNiCkLe | vmoob |
| 06:19.19 | blast007 | boomv |
| 06:19.29 | PuMpErNiCkLe | :D |
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| 07:50.19 | LePoulpe303 | hi all ! |
| 07:50.53 | PuMpErNiCkLe | hi you |
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| 10:12.11 | mai | i have got bz flag 1.10.7 the find server dosen't work.i tried to manually connect(took the name from db.bzflag.org)but says incompatible version what do i do |
| 10:12.40 | sniperyyd | mai: get a newer version |
| 10:12.45 | sniperyyd | mai: get bzflag 2.0.4 |
| 10:14.21 | mai | i have fedora core 3 x86_64 but don't see x86_64 version will i386 do |
| 10:14.51 | sniperyyd | dont know |
| 10:15.10 | mai | thanks anyway i will try |
| 10:15.22 | sniperyyd | get it from bzflag.org |
| 10:15.36 | mai | o will do |
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| 10:33.22 | Deepa | whats inertia? |
| 10:37.27 | Chestal | a server setting which puts an upper limit on acceleration, can be specified for both linear (forward/backward) and angurlar movements |
| 10:38.03 | Chestal | lots of inertia will make your tank behave like a big ship ;-) |
| 10:40.55 | Deepa | :> |
| 10:41.02 | Deepa | can i use intertia to make it faster? |
| 10:48.40 | Chestal | no, default is to have no inertia at all |
| 10:49.06 | Chestal | so you can already go from full backward to full forward in a single frame (depending on how fast you can push the mouse ;-) |
| 10:49.25 | Deepa | XD |
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| 12:44.32 | ToughShooter | Ciao Tupone |
| 12:44.40 | Tupone | ciao :) |
| 12:44.53 | ToughShooter | Patches welcome for a jitter kick? |
| 12:45.41 | Tupone | hmm, well, post at SF, I'll analyze |
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| 14:58.34 | otherfred | Anyone know how to save a texture to avoid having to download it over and over? |
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| 15:11.48 | sniperyyd | hi |
| 15:11.50 | sniperyyd | :) |
| 15:18.48 | Harlin | hello |
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| 15:31.10 | Deepa | how many users can i host on a 2MBT internet? |
| 15:31.13 | Deepa | 250KB/S up and down |
| 15:31.35 | Deepa | ~bzfquery deepy.no-ip.com:5154 |
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| 15:36.52 | Grumbler | Happy New Year |
| 15:37.19 | SportChick | Grumbler: happy new year |
| 15:38.07 | orange | hehe, kinda like Frosty |
| 15:40.03 | Grumbler | hmm, that might explain the hat |
| 15:45.00 | Harlin | hiya SportChick |
| 15:45.05 | Harlin | hiya orange |
| 15:45.14 | SportChick | Harlin: hiya :) |
| 15:45.15 | Tupone | SportChick: HNY |
| 15:45.31 | SportChick | Tupone: ciao! happy new year, my friend |
| 15:45.43 | Tupone | :) |
| 15:45.53 | orange | hi harlin |
| 15:45.55 | Harlin | Deepa: should have no problems at all |
| 15:46.10 | Harlin | Deepa: bigger problem is getting good people to play there :) |
| 15:46.32 | Harlin | only bad thing about the new job is that I cant play bz at work :( |
| 15:52.46 | orchid | at least you can irc :) |
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| 16:10.47 | Deepa | Harlin: well im hosting it for a community :P |
| 16:13.28 | brlcad | happy new year grumbly |
| 16:16.09 | Deepa | its now now! unlike recently |
| 16:18.32 | brlcad | unlike recently which was now then? |
| 16:20.44 | Harlin | Deepa: cool... what's the url for your server? |
| 16:21.30 | Harlin | orchid... yeah irc is better than nothing... at least im an admin on my own box... can install Python and play with that all day |
| 16:21.31 | Harlin | :) |
| 16:27.06 | menotume | brlcad: pingo |
| 16:28.06 | brlcad | pong |
| 16:28.24 | menotume | got about 3 minutes ? |
| 16:28.35 | brlcad | depends :) |
| 16:28.37 | menotume | i'd like to show you a bzflag quirk |
| 16:28.59 | brlcad | i'm on proxs now if it helps |
| 16:29.06 | menotume | great |
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| 16:59.32 | menotume | brlcad: did that brighten your day ? |
| 16:59.35 | menotume | :) |
| 16:59.42 | brlcad | sure |
| 16:59.49 | brlcad | shiney happy people |
| 16:59.59 | menotume | lol, haven't heard that in ages |
| 17:00.07 | menotume | and, /me is glad |
| 17:00.10 | brlcad | time for a 2.0.6 release next week ;) |
| 17:00.19 | menotume | :D |
| 17:00.47 | menotume | seems kb events have high-priority |
| 17:01.24 | brlcad | i didn't even check that, doesn't happen if you're mousing? |
| 17:01.35 | orange | does |
| 17:01.40 | menotume | i was mousing |
| 17:01.57 | brlcad | okay, i was going to say that would have been bizarre |
| 17:02.01 | menotume | but, quick repeats of the key seemed to not update |
| 17:02.30 | orange | on my laptop, I can't shoot while driving forward and turning left, but I can shoot while driving forward and turning right (keyboard) |
| 17:02.54 | orange | how's that for tricky :-) |
| 17:23.44 | Harlin | man i'd hate to have to go to work in the afternoon |
| 17:24.15 | Harlin | orange: do you still have this problem? |
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| 17:46.50 | Deepa | Harlin: the server lies on deepy.no-ip.com:5154 |
| 17:46.54 | Deepa | its hosted for hamsterpaj.net |
| 17:47.31 | brlcad | what's the name of the Debian gl-dev package most people usually install to get bz to compile? |
| 17:48.06 | Chestal | xlibmesa-gl-dev I guess |
| 17:48.22 | Harlin | deepa... thanks man |
| 17:48.29 | brlcad | danka |
| 17:48.30 | Harlin | deepa.. you have a website as well? |
| 17:49.33 | Deepa | i got a small one for my clan :> |
| 17:49.38 | Deepa | http://deepy.no-ip.com/ |
| 17:49.45 | Deepa | and my own personal one is under construction |
| 17:50.45 | Deepa | but the deepy.no-ip.com has a total size of 10GB :> |
| 17:50.55 | Deepa | so some hidden surprises can still be found |
| 17:51.02 | Deepa | http://deepy.no-ip.com/rpg/ for an example |
| 17:55.05 | Deepa | brlcad: im new |
| 17:55.08 | Deepa | imported yesterday |
| 17:55.15 | brlcad | heh, imported |
| 17:55.21 | Deepa | ibot got me thru postorder from sweden |
| 17:55.23 | brlcad | are you like imported ham or imported wine? |
| 17:55.35 | Deepa | well... i was imported in a crate if thats what you mean |
| 17:55.48 | brlcad | i think they both probably come in crates |
| 17:56.00 | brlcad | hopefully not a hammy wine |
| 17:56.09 | Deepa | well my spelling sucks as the wine came in the same box... |
| 17:56.16 | Deepa | should have* |
| 17:56.17 | brlcad | excellent then |
| 17:56.29 | Deepa | it was out somewhere around india |
| 17:56.56 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/README: |
| 17:56.56 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: large rewrite of the compilation and installation instructions providing a usual |
| 17:56.56 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: quick install path, and a more detailed verbose version that explains |
| 17:56.56 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: everything. update aspects of the source hierarchy that have changed while |
| 17:56.56 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: we're in here. provide a quick reference to all the AUTHORS up front as well, |
| 17:56.56 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: everyone's contributions deserve visibility. |
| 17:57.02 | brlcad | from sweden to india, that's quite a route |
| 17:57.10 | Deepa | well actually |
| 17:57.23 | Deepa | sweden->india->USA->norway->ibot |
| 17:57.37 | Deepa | the boat got lost somewhere around the north pole |
| 17:57.41 | brlcad | i see |
| 18:03.36 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/README: additional speling |
| 18:04.04 | brlcad | Tupone: how did you determine that MsgHit could be sent UDP ? |
| 18:04.30 | Tupone | hmm, it was the same as msgshotend |
| 18:04.35 | Tupone | IIRC |
| 18:05.42 | brlcad | same as? |
| 18:06.11 | brlcad | that's the notice that I was hit, if that's not delivered reliably, I can imagine all sorts of bad things going wrong |
| 18:06.21 | brlcad | if I don't get the end of shot, not as big a deal |
| 18:06.35 | brlcad | since the client knows the shot's life |
| 18:07.39 | TimRiker | if MsgHit is lost some clients might think you are still alive when you respawn. |
| 18:08.04 | Tupone | MsgHit does not kill people now |
| 18:08.06 | Tupone | IIRC |
| 18:08.13 | Tupone | just send end shot |
| 18:08.46 | Tupone | but I have to see the code again to be sure |
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| 18:10.50 | Tupone | I intend to use it to kill people too, and to discriminate the case where 2 people are killed with the same shot. But I have not done yet. IIRC :) |
| 18:10.52 | trepan | we could skip the half-measures and rework for full authoritative |
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| 18:12.15 | brlcad | Tupone: bzfs.cxx MsgHit packet handler, there is where the server gets notification that a tank was hit and it gets relayed to all players via playerKilled |
| 18:12.30 | Tupone | lemme look |
| 18:12.36 | brlcad | so if server doesn't get that.. |
| 18:12.40 | brlcad | nobody gets notified |
| 18:13.02 | Tupone | I think you have to look at the client too |
| 18:13.03 | brlcad | there are other packets that can relay a kill, but that's the main one for shots iirc |
| 18:13.33 | Tupone | That code is to avoid someone stop shot without being killed |
| 18:13.57 | brlcad | also does that, but the primary is to tell others of the kill |
| 18:14.03 | brlcad | otherwise where does that notification happen? |
| 18:14.34 | Tupone | from a client, with same message the sent MsgKilled ? |
| 18:15.03 | brlcad | the MsgHit gets turned into a MsgKilled by the server |
| 18:15.30 | brlcad | (via playerKilled()) |
| 18:15.31 | Tupone | yep, and, IIRC, the client send a MsgHit and a MsgKilled |
| 18:16.09 | Tupone | but I'm grepping |
| 18:16.17 | Chestal | doesn't that mean that my death is delayed one round trip time when I get shot? |
| 18:17.03 | Tupone | I did not wanted to do that for the moment. So client is killed as soon as he get shot |
| 18:17.34 | Tupone | only he does not send the MsgEndShot, as it can be an hole for a cheat |
| 18:18.28 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/README: the mailing list section was outdated/wrong, so fix it too. mention the sf.net project mailing list pages instead since that's where all the action is now. |
| 18:18.37 | Chestal | ah, ok |
| 18:18.51 | Chestal | woot, a new README |
| 18:19.40 | Chestal | and ours was already quite up to date when compare to other projects (see Linux kernel) :-) |
| 18:19.44 | Tupone | line 3774 of playing.cxx should send a msgKilled |
| 18:19.47 | ToughShooter | ~trie |
| 18:20.00 | ToughShooter | ~dict trie |
| 18:20.39 | Tupone | Make sure you have gcc 2.95.3 available. |
| 18:20.46 | brlcad | from a terminology perspective, I would expect both hit and kill messages and with an authoritative server, the client would only sent hit and the server would send the kills |
| 18:21.15 | Tupone | yeah, I agree, but that change affect the playability, and need to be teste |
| 18:21.17 | Tupone | d |
| 18:21.39 | brlcad | agree, though i'd still expect them both to be tcp :) |
| 18:22.12 | brlcad | since dying is one of the few things in the game that will be detrimental to miss |
| 18:22.19 | Tupone | if MsgHit is tcp, and slower, with the same shot you can kill more then one player, with bigger probability then now |
| 18:22.39 | Tupone | dunno if tcp == slower |
| 18:23.05 | Tupone | dying is tcp now |
| 18:23.09 | brlcad | well if udp == never delivered, I'd think that'd be slower ;) |
| 18:23.21 | Chestal | shouldn't be slower. I hope that bzflag sends both udp and tcp packets right away (that is at end of frame for the client at the very latest) |
| 18:23.40 | ToughShooter | yeah, tcp has built in error correction and udp is connectionless |
| 18:23.59 | Chestal | tcp can be slow when IP packet is lost (retransmisson), but with UDP the packet would just be lost |
| 18:24.01 | Tupone | I dunno how the various tcp do slow-down of traffic |
| 18:24.15 | brlcad | i know we need to minimize tcp, but that particular packet doesn't seem like one of the ones that should get culled |
| 18:24.18 | Tupone | I know linux uses reno now |
| 18:24.48 | Tupone | the MsgEndShot should be fast |
| 18:24.49 | JeffM2501 | you could swap to a udp system that does it's own error correction ;) |
| 18:29.09 | Chestal | yes, the congestion control part of TCP is probably somethign we don't want (except for map and texture transfer of course) |
| 18:29.35 | Chestal | but I would guess that it doesn't really kick in in a typcal bzflag game anyway |
| 18:33.38 | ToughShooter | Hmm, I have partly around 9% loss at GU for more than 15 minutes in a league match, I don't want to know what happens when my "I got shot" messages would get lost and no one gets them. |
| 18:34.15 | Tupone | ToughShooter: what happens now if your MsgEndShot is loss ? |
| 18:34.50 | Tupone | because the effect is the same |
| 18:35.09 | Tupone | ahh sorry. You don't want to know :) |
| 18:35.16 | ToughShooter | Tupone: I don't know but I never got a complain that I didn't died, only because of being all over the place from time to time |
| 18:36.14 | ToughShooter | It's annoying no one fixes the servers connection (or the one of router in between) so I would stop having loss :/ |
| 18:36.16 | Tupone | the code as is now, does send a MsgKilled from the client (tcp) and a MsgHit from the client (udp). The last become a MsgEndShot (udp) from server to cient |
| 18:36.59 | Tupone | so a generic client will receive a MsgEndShot udp and a MsgKilled tcp |
| 18:37.18 | Tupone | so MsgKilled will be alway received |
| 18:37.26 | Tupone | or connection will go down |
| 18:40.06 | ToughShooter | Does that mean I would get endshot kicked when my udp packets would get lost too often? |
| 18:40.47 | brlcad | that can happen regardless as it stands implemented |
| 18:41.12 | brlcad | (and does from what I've seen) |
| 18:42.27 | brlcad | i agree or am at least convinced that the client doesn't need to send both killed and hit as tcp |
| 18:42.39 | brlcad | or at all really, it only needs to send one of them, and as tcp |
| 18:43.10 | brlcad | i think that was the intent of the msghit, though, to make it "the packet" that got sent when server becomes authoritative |
| 18:43.12 | Harlin | deepy: abused armchairs? indeed |
| 18:43.51 | Tupone | ToughShooter: endshot kicked ?? what you mean |
| 18:45.21 | ToughShooter | Tupone: I think I'm just confused again from doing too much things at same time :/ |
| 18:45.39 | Tupone | there is no more endshot kick in the 2.1 |
| 18:45.58 | brlcad | yep |
| 18:46.02 | ToughShooter | ah |
| 18:46.10 | brlcad | since "that can happen regardless" ;) |
| 18:46.39 | brlcad | not the best cheat check to start with without affecting performance to do it right |
| 18:46.51 | Tupone | endshot is a way to comunicate all the client that a shot is ended after having killed a tank |
| 18:47.23 | Tupone | so, it cannot kick other, in theory |
| 18:47.40 | Tupone | then lag and udp are against us |
| 18:47.58 | Chestal | it made more sense with multicasting |
| 18:48.39 | Chestal | some day, we can do multicasting again with IPv6 ;-) |
| 18:49.51 | Tupone | I wanted to make a check so only one tank could be hit by some kind of shot ... but I want to wait to see how it behave now |
| 18:51.33 | Tupone | ot jump this and put the tank/shot tracking in the server, and collision too. But that is too hard for me |
| 18:52.16 | ToughShooter | Tupone: How does jitter scale with lag? Is 32 +-16ms same jittery like 100 +-16ms is? |
| 18:52.30 | Tupone | nope |
| 18:52.45 | ToughShooter | so the first one is way worse? |
| 18:52.51 | Tupone | jitter is bad whatever is |
| 18:53.16 | Tupone | well, sorry, jitter is the same bad on both scenario |
| 18:53.39 | Tupone | at least visually |
| 18:53.50 | ToughShooter | so is "jitteriness" from 32 +- 16ms same as 100 +-50ms? |
| 18:54.31 | Tupone | you mean visually? You don't see the lag, you see only jitter |
| 18:54.41 | ToughShooter | or 15 +-16 same jittery in HUD and radar like 32 +-16? |
| 18:55.17 | Tupone | the last sentence is correct |
| 18:55.34 | ToughShooter | oh, I thought it would scale |
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| 18:57.48 | Tupone | lag is a constant delay between player. You can know it, because the server count it, or because some player does not die even if you think it is shooten. You cannot see lag in radar, or HUD |
| 18:58.05 | Tupone | s/shooten/shot/ |
| 18:58.35 | Tupone | Jitter, is the thing you appreciate just looking at HUD/Radar |
| 18:59.41 | ToughShooter | tnx for the explanation |
| 19:01.04 | ToughShooter | I think then a jitter kick would just need a static time in ms passed |
| 19:01.04 | Deepa | anyone wanna play some bzflag? |
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| 19:04.16 | Tupone | Deepa: there are plenty of player already playing |
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| 19:06.17 | Marciosantos | alguem que fale portugues aqui ? |
| 19:06.29 | who123 | hello |
| 19:06.30 | Deepa | not on my server |
| 19:06.36 | Deepa | bzfquery deepy.no-ip.com:5154 |
| 19:06.50 | Deepa | bzfquery deepy.no-ip.com:5154 |
| 19:06.52 | Deepa | ibot? |
| 19:07.22 | blast007 | ~bzfquery deepy.no-ip.com:5154 |
| 19:07.25 | Deepa | oops |
| 19:07.25 | Deepa | :P |
| 19:07.27 | Deepa | ty |
| 19:07.31 | Marciosantos | join/#debian-br |
| 19:07.48 | who123 | anyone know where i can talk about level making |
| 19:08.00 | blast007 | Marciosantos: you won't be able to join that channel with the bzflag CGI:IRC |
| 19:09.13 | blast007 | who123: read up at http://my.bzflag.org/bzfman.cgi?bzw.5s |
| 19:09.26 | who123 | thx |
| 19:10.49 | who123 | i was thinking on the lines of making walls reflect the tank and other objects |
| 19:11.03 | who123 | im currently making a map which should work on this |
| 19:20.52 | brlcad | darn marico left |
| 19:21.24 | _Manu_ | brlcad, non fado portugues |
| 19:21.50 | brlcad | yo se, pero a lo mejor entendio español ;) |
| 19:22.08 | _Manu_ | y no es marico es marcio ;-p que estarias tu pensando... jeje |
| 19:22.17 | brlcad | oop, typo |
| 19:22.24 | brlcad | jej |
| 19:23.01 | _Manu_ | un portugués de portugal entiende español. .pero un brasileiro... lo dudo |
| 19:24.49 | brlcad | no lo dudo, tengo algunos amigos brasilleños asi |
| 19:25.03 | brlcad | and yes, my spelling sucks :) |
| 19:25.19 | _Manu_ | marico is like male marica -> gay ;) |
| 19:25.31 | brlcad | como maricon si |
| 19:26.13 | brlcad | pues el marico se fue asi no importa ya ;) |
| 19:26.18 | _Manu_ | jej |
| 19:27.01 | _Manu_ | en España se usa marica para un hombre afeminado.. maricón es despectivo |
| 19:27.15 | _Manu_ | y no tiene por que ser gay |
| 19:28.48 | brlcad | aja, diferente pues |
| 19:29.03 | _Manu_ | tambien un amigo te puede decir "que maricón eres" y no es despectivo ;) |
| 19:29.17 | brlcad | jaja, aquí no |
| 19:30.00 | _Manu_ | por ejemplo cuando uno le gasta una broma a otro y no se lo esperaba le dice "que maricón eres" :) |
| 19:30.56 | _Manu_ | tu sabes que el lenguaje español es muy machista, no es lo mismo decir a un hombre zorro que a una mujer zorra |
| 19:30.57 | _Manu_ | :) |
| 19:31.15 | brlcad | jej, si esa lo se |
| 19:32.01 | _Manu_ | lo mismo con los insultos.. |
| 19:32.24 | brlcad | me gusta lo que paso con microsoft hace algunos años |
| 19:32.36 | _Manu_ | recuerdo la primera vez que le dije a Dervish en ingles "qué zorro eres" y me echó del servidor :/ |
| 19:32.39 | brlcad | que le costaron millones por un typo asi |
| 19:32.47 | _Manu_ | si |
| 19:32.58 | brlcad | hembra :) |
| 19:33.23 | _Manu_ | no. le dije ¡que zorro eres! que aplicado a un hombre significa astuto |
| 19:33.34 | _Manu_ | pero en ingles se ve que no ;-p |
| 19:33.43 | brlcad | mmhmm :) |
| 19:33.45 | _Manu_ | eso fue hace años cuando yo era un pardillo |
| 19:34.03 | ToughShooter | _Manu_: Do you speak that fast, too? |
| 19:34.15 | _Manu_ | no, I speak faster ;) |
| 19:34.15 | brlcad | no, hembra fue el error de microsoft.. macho.. hembra.. las mujeres no le gustaron ;) |
| 19:34.37 | _Manu_ | en Español ya no se usa macho y hembra para el género de las personas, se use hombre y mujer |
| 19:34.50 | _Manu_ | macho y hembra se aplica a los animales |
| 19:34.58 | brlcad | akin to picking one: male, bitch, other |
| 19:35.12 | _Manu_ | yes |
| 19:36.24 | brlcad | ToughShooter: i can speak it a heck of a lot faster than I can write it (and more correctly), i'm rusty to no end without using it |
| 19:36.27 | _Manu_ | usually nobody speak spanish here |
| 19:37.50 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/README: |
| 19:37.51 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: another massive reworking. put the file organization near the end, add a |
| 19:37.51 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: description of the game (this is the readme after all), mention the project |
| 19:37.51 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: website in addition to the main website, tell em how to get a cvs checkout if |
| 19:37.51 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: their so inclined with a warning heed of thought expected. add a communication |
| 19:37.51 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: section mentioning details on the irc channel, mailing lists, bulletin boards, |
| 19:37.53 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: forums, and wiki. |
| 19:38.09 | _Manu_ | heh |
| 19:38.16 | brlcad | and typos |
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| 19:47.01 | Deepa | but you do! |
| 19:47.06 | Deepa | and its logical when you think of it |
| 19:47.15 | Deepa | ive only done that myself about... |
| 19:47.24 | Deepa | 99% of all my tries :P |
| 19:52.36 | brlcad | Grumbler: you do, but the trick is "only once" |
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| 19:57.04 | ToughShooter | Hmm, what is threshold in laginfo.cxx? :o |
| 19:57.24 | Grumbler | so, so long as i did it once during the nixon era, I am ok...ok..... |
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| 20:22.48 | Grumbler | should the copyright be extended to 2006 |
| 20:23.07 | Grumbler | ...assuming so, making the change |
| 20:23.26 | brlcad | ooh, it is that time of year again.. hmm |
| 20:24.32 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03galkire * 10bzflag/README: language and typo fixes, copyright date updated |
| 20:25.00 | Grumbler | brlcad: i changed some language, added a few lines of added detail, and increased indents on some of the command stuff...very clean otherwise, nice job.... |
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| 20:25.30 | brlcad | thanks (for reviewing, fixes, and compliment) |
| 20:25.54 | Grumbler | brlcad: heh, i havent done much of late...least i could do |
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| 20:28.08 | orchid | hey! :) |
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| 20:32.58 | Grumbler | ~define tea |
| 20:33.08 | Grumbler | ~dict tea |
| 20:36.42 | Grumbler | hmm, in china tea is called "cha", but since the first "cha" into western markets arrived from the port of Amoy in the Fujian province of china..."cha" is "tey" in their dialect...so most of the overland distribution(russia/turkey/india) refer to "tea" as "cha" |
| 20:37.50 | Grumbler | ...and yes, i did get a "tea fact book" for christmas :) |
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| 22:09.56 | TD-Linux | make of 2.1 dosen't work due to logDetails plugin |
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| 23:06.39 | brlcad | Tupone: do you have two mbo accounts? |
| 23:06.57 | Tupone | dunno? I need only one, perhaps |
| 23:07.19 | Tupone | Perhaps means <=1 |
| 23:07.41 | brlcad | is alfredot you? |
| 23:07.44 | Tupone | There is one with the key in authorized keys |
| 23:07.55 | Tupone | yeap, JeffM did it |
| 23:08.01 | JeffM2501 | yeah he has 2 |
| 23:08.05 | JeffM2501 | it needs to be cleaned up |
| 23:08.06 | Tupone | but I forget it |
| 23:08.12 | brlcad | ah, okay |
| 23:08.15 | Tupone | don't like alfredot |
| 23:08.29 | brlcad | dot dot dot :) |
| 23:08.37 | TimRiker | joy joy. debian says we need a free-er md5 version. |
| 23:09.06 | TimRiker | http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-mailutils/2002-09/msg00016.html |
| 23:09.41 | TimRiker | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=345837 |
| 23:10.03 | ruskie | free-er? |
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| 23:11.18 | Tupone | should be in the 2.0.6 ? |
| 23:13.00 | brlcad | that's just rediculous |
| 23:15.06 | Tupone | brlcad: RMS rejected our invite, because the club is called linuxclub, and does not talk about GNU :) |
| 23:15.23 | brlcad | heh |
| 23:16.01 | brlcad | time to change the name to GNU/LinuxClub ;) |
| 23:16.01 | Tupone | lol |
| 23:16.39 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, does this mean we can close the source to stop all cheating? ;) |
| 23:16.54 | ruskie | JeffM2501, then you lose quite some players.. me included... |
| 23:17.04 | JeffM2501 | notice the ;) |
| 23:17.09 | ruskie | :) |
| 23:17.13 | JeffM2501 | like that would even stop cheating |
| 23:17.15 | ruskie | I did :) |
| 23:17.41 | ruskie | what bzflag needs is something like an open source version of punk buster |
| 23:17.54 | JeffM2501 | that is called an authortive server |
| 23:18.00 | Tupone | and some dev, me included |
| 23:18.18 | JeffM2501 | where it checks what people do and makes sure all the input is within acceptable tolerance |
| 23:18.46 | JeffM2501 | tho do ing it as a module in the server would not be a bat thing |
| 23:18.50 | brlcad | Tupone: i removed alfredot |
| 23:18.52 | JeffM2501 | external like the punks |
| 23:18.57 | Tupone | good |
| 23:19.37 | brlcad | there was nothing in the acct cept some .files so I moved the dir into tuponehome |
| 23:21.07 | Tupone | the other account is atupone? or just tupone? |
| 23:21.56 | brlcad | latter |
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| 23:25.30 | brlcad | heh |
| 23:31.47 | brlcad | har har, sendmail |
| 23:33.58 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/ (880 files in 35 dirs): as the world turns, update copyright to 2006 since these are the days of our lives |
| 23:34.22 | Aribeth | ping silverfox |
| 23:35.35 | blast007 | brlcad ;) |
| 23:48.00 | GoogleStalker | Aribeth: try #silvertcat channel |
| 23:48.03 | GoogleStalker | Aribeth: try #silvercat channel |
| 23:50.13 | Tupone | hi Aribeth |
| 23:51.39 | GoogleStalker | hi tupola |
| 23:52.59 | Aribeth | hey tupone |
| 23:53.08 | Aribeth | ok will do |
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