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| 00:02.41 | Cosmol | so I built the plugins from cvs, but I don't end up with .so files, I have .o files though |
| 00:03.08 | JeffM2501 | IIRC the are in ultra secet hidden folders |
| 00:03.17 | Cosmol | does the .o file work just like the .so -plugin option to bzfs? |
| 00:03.43 | JeffM2501 | no, not that I am aware of |
| 00:03.44 | Cosmol | /-plugin/for the -plugin/ |
| 00:03.53 | JeffM2501 | the .o files are temps for the build |
| 00:04.18 | JeffM2501 | the .so files are in some .somethign dir |
| 00:04.18 | Cosmol | ahh the .so is in .libs? |
| 00:04.23 | Cosmol | ok, thanks |
| 00:04.25 | JeffM2501 | yeah something like that |
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| 01:04.22 | CIA-2 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10GPx01/common/ (inc/version.h src/version.cpp): int version of net version to be sent over the line |
| 01:04.51 | CIA-2 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10GPx01/net/ (inc/netMessages.h src/netMessages.cpp): net version message pack and unpack |
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| 01:07.18 | CIA-2 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10GPx01/server/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 01:07.20 | CIA-2 | opencombat: let the server base game class handle the first part of a connections and user stuff. |
| 01:07.22 | CIA-2 | opencombat: let the derived client add it's own info on the the player data record, |
| 01:07.24 | CIA-2 | opencombat: get the messages called in the right order. |
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| 01:07.53 | CIA-2 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10GPx01/client/ (inc/game.h src/game.cpp): send the server the net version after a hello |
| 01:14.30 | spldart | can someone recommend a curl package? I have mingw msys DTK updated libtool to 1.5, sdl and curses... Win XP Pro two Barton smp processors |
| 01:15.10 | spldart | I succesfully ran through sh autogen.sh on 2.1.6 |
| 01:17.09 | JeffM2501 | the system dosn't mater |
| 01:17.14 | JeffM2501 | just get the curl for mingw |
| 01:17.45 | JeffM2501 | th you'll probalby have to build it yourself |
| 01:18.35 | JeffM2501 | looks like all they build is msvc and cygwin packages |
| 01:18.57 | spldart | Oh this whole thing has been quite difficult... was trying to get the whole thing done without any help but I'm hitting my limits on patients |
| 01:19.10 | JeffM2501 | what are you trying to do? |
| 01:19.28 | spldart | I'm here http://curl.haxx.se/download.html#Win32 looking around |
| 01:19.45 | JeffM2501 | they don't do mingw packages |
| 01:19.49 | JeffM2501 | you'd have to build it yourslef |
| 01:19.59 | spldart | I'm trying to get set up to build latest release and latest dev bzflags for win32 |
| 01:20.02 | spldart | aoh |
| 01:20.17 | JeffM2501 | you may want to try with vc8 express |
| 01:20.19 | JeffM2501 | it may be easyer |
| 01:20.21 | JeffM2501 | then command line |
| 01:21.12 | JeffM2501 | tho it's a MUCH larger download |
| 01:21.26 | spldart | http://curl.haxx.se/download/ has some ming curl stuff... |
| 01:21.28 | JeffM2501 | but it will give you a windows build just like the ones we make |
| 01:22.06 | JeffM2501 | they don't have current |
| 01:22.08 | JeffM2501 | old may work |
| 01:22.10 | spldart | I'm so close to making this combo work methinksx |
| 01:22.20 | spldart | what version do you guys use? |
| 01:22.20 | JeffM2501 | just know that your mingw build will be a little difrent from the ones we ship |
| 01:22.29 | JeffM2501 | for windows we use VC |
| 01:22.32 | spldart | ok thanks for the warning |
| 01:22.33 | JeffM2501 | 7.15 |
| 01:23.09 | JeffM2501 | the mingw build will be much more like a linux build |
| 01:23.42 | spldart | I kinda like the whole thing where msys.bat works like a terminal :) |
| 01:23.59 | JeffM2501 | mingw is just a windows implemenation of gcc |
| 01:24.03 | JeffM2501 | so it's totaly termal based |
| 01:24.24 | spldart | I'll look into VC8 in a bit... is it payware? |
| 01:24.29 | JeffM2501 | it's free |
| 01:24.31 | JeffM2501 | for a year |
| 01:24.36 | JeffM2501 | there is an express version |
| 01:24.37 | spldart | wow |
| 01:24.51 | JeffM2501 | but you also have to get direct X and the windows SDK |
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| 01:24.58 | JeffM2501 | so it's a lot of download /setup |
| 01:25.26 | JeffM2501 | express dosn't make it easy to add new headers and libs ether, so you have to go thru some hoops |
| 01:26.11 | spldart | Hrm..... |
| 01:27.28 | blast007 | the Generic Win32 package on curl's site works for Dev-Cpp, and that uses MinGW in the background, right? |
| 01:27.57 | JeffM2501 | it may |
| 01:28.16 | JeffM2501 | I'm not the mingw expert |
| 01:28.25 | blast007 | me either ;) |
| 01:28.39 | blast007 | whenever I tried to run it in a virtual PC, it didn't work |
| 01:28.50 | blast007 | and I didn't want to install it on my main OS |
| 01:29.24 | JeffM2501 | if express keeps beeing free, I wonder how much it will hurt mingw |
| 01:29.34 | JeffM2501 | the vc debuger is realy nice |
| 01:30.01 | JeffM2501 | sorry meant hurt devc++ |
| 01:30.06 | JeffM2501 | not mingw |
| 01:30.26 | JeffM2501 | tho the vc compiler will work from command line too |
| 01:30.32 | JeffM2501 | specialy with scons |
| 01:50.44 | spldart | OH CRAP!!!! |
| 01:50.57 | spldart | premonition |
| 01:52.24 | spldart | anywho... I'm about to give this a break |
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| 02:10.39 | spldart | nappy time |
| 02:14.55 | ep | Anybody use "TeamSpeak" under Linux? Pain in the ass to install? I got Ubuntu, I searched for a package, no luck. |
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| 03:21.23 | spldart | ooooOOOOoooo I really humped my dll's with mingw LOL |
| 03:22.38 | spldart | quick question for a DEV... JeffM mentioned vc8 getting me builds closer to what you guys release when you release a windows build....What all do I need to do vc8? |
| 03:23.47 | brlcad | vc8 for starters |
| 03:24.19 | blast007 | the express edition requires that you hand modify some files |
| 03:24.21 | spldart | from microsquash? |
| 03:24.27 | blast007 | yeah |
| 03:24.39 | spldart | which version should I get if I'm willing to learn? |
| 03:25.06 | blast007 | well, if you don't want to pay, there isn't a choise |
| 03:25.10 | blast007 | choice* |
| 03:25.18 | spldart | visual studio 2k5? is vc8 or am I way off base |
| 03:25.44 | spldart | they have free trieals on pro, team and express visual studio 2k5 :) |
| 03:26.26 | blast007 | express has been reported to work, after some effort |
| 03:26.27 | spldart | wow.. dxsdk is 300 + meg |
| 03:26.36 | blast007 | tiny ;) |
| 03:27.56 | spldart | which express edition? basic C C++ ? |
| 03:28.14 | blast007 | C++ |
| 03:28.24 | blast007 | the C# one is a totally different language |
| 03:28.43 | spldart | Ok got it |
| 03:28.58 | spldart | few minutes left on sdk |
| 03:29.03 | spldart | what else do I need? |
| 03:29.23 | brlcad | did you read the readme? :) |
| 03:29.37 | blast007 | is there a readme for the express? |
| 03:29.50 | blast007 | cuz the process will likely be a bit different |
| 03:29.56 | brlcad | no, but the instructions are mostly the same |
| 03:31.02 | spldart | I've not unpacked anything yet.. just grabbing stuff |
| 03:37.35 | spldart | How can I fix my dll's... When I try to start bzadmin 2.1.x now I get Entry Point Not Found and it quotes the libeay32.dll |
| 03:39.19 | lan56 | dev-c++ is free, and builds for windows, and is a nice ide too ;) |
| 03:39.57 | brlcad | go steelers! |
| 03:41.46 | orchid | ~bzfquery bzgirl.bzflag.bz:2000 |
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| 04:00.27 | spldart | argh.. finally fixed my libcurl and other dlls I humped |
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| 04:28.03 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:30.00 | PrezKennedy | brlcad, you dont even have windows where you are most of the day :-P |
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| 04:34.15 | brlcad | heh |
| 04:34.20 | brlcad | true sometimes |
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| 04:48.53 | lan56 | wow marathon is a tough intense game, it makes me even more appreciative of bzflag's simplicity and calmness |
| 04:52.36 | JeffM2501 | they shot bob!!!! |
| 04:53.07 | lan56 | hahah those bobs are fun |
| 04:53.14 | lan56 | the armed ones more so |
| 04:53.27 | JeffM2501 | oh our on M2? |
| 04:54.05 | lan56 | I can't remember which scenario they are armed, but I know m2 has many |
| 04:54.20 | JeffM2501 | m2 |
| 04:54.23 | JeffM2501 | and m inf |
| 04:54.32 | lan56 | ahh |
| 04:54.33 | JeffM2501 | m1 has no fighting bobs |
| 04:54.44 | lan56 | ahh then thats it |
| 04:54.51 | lan56 | so many levels |
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| 06:21.26 | lan56 | wow network games in aleph one are so much more funner than solo |
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| 06:49.50 | purple_cow | more funner? |
| 06:52.53 | lan56 | the grammar is bad let me guess |
| 06:55.10 | purple_cow | grammar is a part of it, but "funner" isn't even a word |
| 06:56.08 | lan56 | ahh I see |
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| 08:17.51 | LePoulpe303 | hi all |
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| 11:09.14 | LePoulpe303 | i need to recruit for my bzmanager software ; may i start a topic somewhere on bzflag forum ? |
| 11:10.49 | LePoulpe303 | or should i contact directly jeffm2501 ? |
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| 17:09.32 | amathis | hello |
| 17:11.27 | spldart | OT so if anyone knows a bit about windows 64 bit OS stuff can they PM me? |
| 17:12.37 | blast007 | hi amathis :) |
| 17:14.12 | amathis | bzflag is /cvsroot/bzflag co bzflag the most recent? |
| 17:14.24 | amathis | I meant blast007 haha |
| 17:14.36 | blast007 | that will get you 2.1.x, which is incompatible with 2.0.x |
| 17:14.45 | amathis | ok |
| 17:15.00 | blast007 | /cvsroot/bzflag co -r v2_0branch bzflag will get you the latest 2.0.x |
| 17:15.07 | amathis | ok cool |
| 17:15.08 | amathis | thanks |
| 17:15.11 | blast007 | :) |
| 17:15.37 | amathis | what was the major change that made them incompatible? |
| 17:15.42 | amathis | any sole reason? |
| 17:17.44 | blast007 | protocol has changed several times in 2.1 so far |
| 17:17.59 | blast007 | things like making bzadmin use less bandwidth, moving shots to the server, etc |
| 17:18.21 | amathis | ah |
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| 17:24.29 | amathis | hi SC |
| 17:25.45 | SportChick | hi amathis |
| 17:29.41 | amathis | hmm, I am getting an error on http://bzflag.org/developers/flags.php |
| 17:29.58 | amathis | I am not sure if anyone has reported it yet |
| 17:31.19 | JeffM2501 | the file dosn't exist |
| 17:31.22 | JeffM2501 | it's a 404 |
| 17:32.05 | amathis | yeah, If I would have read the whole thing I guess I would ahve seen the 404 |
| 17:32.09 | JeffM2501 | are you looking for the flag list? |
| 17:32.18 | amathis | I was just looking for TODO's |
| 17:32.25 | amathis | scanning through the website |
| 17:32.29 | JeffM2501 | http://bzflag.org/wiki/FlagList |
| 17:32.40 | JeffM2501 | many things were moved into the wiki |
| 17:32.51 | amathis | ah |
| 17:37.29 | amathis | so, how has the dev world been treating you JeffM2501 ? |
| 17:37.54 | JeffM2501 | the what? |
| 17:38.11 | JeffM2501 | Guu, devcommits jeffm2501 |
| 17:38.13 | Guu | JeffM2501: send/receve net versions to both client and server so they know they are... || send the server the net version after a hello || let the server base game class handle the first part of a connections and user... || net version message pack and unpack || int version of net version to be sent over the line || start geting the base game class to handle the connection messages || (2 more messages) |
| 17:42.55 | JeffM2501 | heh, and none of those are for the bzflag codebase :) |
| 17:43.02 | amathis | haha |
| 17:43.15 | amathis | I was just wondering what projects you were getting into |
| 17:48.54 | JeffM2501 | right now I just want regresions to not take 100% of the CPU |
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| 17:54.56 | JeffM2501 | I hate when virtual does that :( |
| 17:55.21 | amathis | cool tree / billboard screenshot |
| 17:55.53 | JeffM2501 | those are old |
| 17:55.55 | JeffM2501 | way old |
| 17:55.59 | JeffM2501 | like from 2.0 |
| 17:56.12 | amathis | yeah, 2.0 is new to me |
| 17:56.18 | amathis | been busy with school |
| 17:59.31 | gsnedders | school-- |
| 18:00.00 | amathis | if only bzflag 2.1 would hurry up compiling |
| 18:00.53 | JeffM2501 | noone plays 2.1 |
| 18:01.09 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't have any real "big" features |
| 18:01.12 | JeffM2501 | mostly internals |
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| 18:02.00 | gsnedders | like no endshot! :) |
| 18:02.21 | amathis | yeah, wasn't planning on playing that much |
| 18:02.29 | amathis | mostly wanted to do some learning |
| 18:10.53 | JeffM2501 | best of luck:0 |
| 18:11.07 | amathis | hah |
| 18:11.24 | amathis | dangit, my nvidia drivers messed up my libGL.la |
| 18:11.34 | JeffM2501 | no, then installed a new one |
| 18:12.23 | amathis | no, I mean.. there is a bug with it |
| 18:12.44 | JeffM2501 | not suprising |
| 18:12.48 | amathis | yeah |
| 18:13.04 | amathis | at least I am not the only one.. there must be a follow up |
| 18:15.46 | amathis | ah |
| 18:15.55 | BearPerson | you likely need to install their GL headers too |
| 18:16.08 | amathis | a symbolic link between /usr/lib/libGL.la and /usr/lib/X11R6/ |
| 18:16.11 | amathis | hehe |
| 18:16.21 | amathis | the nvidia installer is a lil buggy |
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| 18:44.32 | BearPerson | hmm... fun |
| 18:45.16 | BearPerson | on my 1280x1024 + 1024x768 dualhead, bzflag refuses to run in anything but 2304x1024 |
| 18:45.54 | BearPerson | has the nice side-effect that you aim a bit left of where the two screens meet ;-) |
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| 19:23.47 | JeffM2501 | BearPerson, on my nivida setup I had to set a "meta mode" that only had one display in my x config |
| 19:23.55 | JeffM2501 | then bzflag had it as a display option |
| 19:23.59 | JeffM2501 | and would run on one display |
| 19:24.28 | JeffM2501 | but it would not let me see stuff on the x desktop on the other display, had to run in a window for that |
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| 19:48.47 | Thumper_ | brlcad: ping |
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| 20:30.28 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03bthansen 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx: |
| 20:30.28 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: Only reload the player access database when reloading the userdb since |
| 20:30.30 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: this strips global players of privs |
| 20:31.10 | gsnedders | can someone please do something about the spawning? |
| 20:31.18 | gsnedders | being spawn killed 15 times in a row is pure stupid. |
| 20:33.25 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03bthansen 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: |
| 20:33.25 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: Generate a plugin bz_ePlayerJoinEvent for all player join attempts. |
| 20:33.27 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: Banned players were getting a bz_ePlayerPartEvent with no join event. |
| 20:36.29 | TimRiker | gsnedders: patches welcome |
| 20:36.59 | gsnedders | TimRiker: from people who know nothing more than the extreme basics of C? :) |
| 20:37.01 | Tupone | :) |
| 20:38.02 | TimRiker | gsnedders: no better time to learn than the present. |
| 20:38.20 | Tupone | ~pw |
| 20:38.21 | ibot | i heard patches welcome is a common response by maintainers of Open Source products. It's roughly means "We don't have much time on our hands, so if you write that feature and send it to us we will likely roll it in. If you don't have the time to write it, we don't either. Stop asking for it." |
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| 20:38.57 | gsnedders | TimRiker, I've been meaning to get round to learning Obj-C + Cocoa, but I've been doing more web stuff recently, and have less reason to learn it |
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| 21:09.43 | brlcad | Thumper_: pong albeit only breifly |
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| 21:10.41 | Thumper_ | brlcad: PMs |
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| 21:19.24 | Tupone | ~pms |
| 21:19.25 | ibot | pms is, like, Pre-Menstrual Syndrome, or Person Missing Sex. |
| 21:20.02 | Tupone | brlcad: :) |
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| 22:28.00 | Think_Different | yomama.kick-ass.org:5154 |
| 22:28.17 | JeffM2501 | how clever |
| 22:28.45 | Think_Different | sry |
| 22:28.46 | Think_Different | ak |
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| 22:48.10 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: Give tanks unrequested flags |
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| 22:52.16 | TimRiker | Tupone: huh? |
| 22:52.42 | Tupone | bzfs gives flag based on tank position |
| 22:52.46 | TimRiker | ~bzfquery yomama.kick-ass.org:5154 |
| 22:53.19 | TimRiker | Tupone: specified how? on the map? |
| 22:53.59 | Tupone | like now. What is was before : bzflag look for a flag near its position, ask to grab , and bzfs recheck and gives |
| 22:54.38 | Tupone | now, what I want to do is bzflag check for flag and says: I'm here. bzfs gives the flag near that if any |
| 22:54.59 | Tupone | I'mm here is a PlayerUpdate |
| 22:55.15 | Tupone | doing that, so they cannot discard bad flag |
| 22:55.17 | TimRiker | cept that you won't get enough playerupdates. |
| 22:55.34 | Tupone | a playerupdate is sent when bzflag see a flag near |
| 22:55.54 | TimRiker | or if you are asking the client to send a pu when it's near a flag, there's nothing stopping it from not sending when it's near a bad flag, correct? |
| 22:56.03 | Tupone | yep |
| 22:56.15 | TimRiker | so there's no difference. why change it? |
| 22:56.24 | Tupone | but he send pu even if he see no flags |
| 22:56.38 | TimRiker | no. he does not. |
| 22:56.51 | Tupone | yeah, any 1 seconds or near |
| 22:56.53 | TimRiker | he said pu only when dead reaconing says he should. |
| 22:57.05 | Tupone | there is a time limit on that |
| 22:57.13 | TimRiker | you can pass a lot of flags in that time. |
| 22:57.44 | Tupone | yeah, :/ I know |
| 22:57.58 | TimRiker | better to not tell the clients what the flags are till after they request them. |
| 22:58.10 | Tupone | but he have to send. The program should be that smart to not send pu when near a bad flag |
| 22:58.13 | Tupone | and running |
| 22:58.48 | TimRiker | imho it's worse to force the player to send frequent updates. more frequent than flags might normally be. |
| 22:59.12 | TimRiker | the player needs to draw the flags, so it needs to know where a flag is. it might as well send the flag request. |
| 22:59.26 | Tupone | I'm sending a pu only when he want to get that |
| 22:59.36 | TimRiker | we should set "new" flags to type "unknown" until a player requests them. |
| 22:59.36 | Tupone | an extra pu |
| 22:59.51 | Tupone | and we should randomize it |
| 23:00.14 | TimRiker | Tupone: I hear that. my point is that it does not help things. |
| 23:00.18 | Tupone | as when a flag number 25 is GM, is always GM |
| 23:00.36 | TimRiker | I suppose it is cleaner though. so fine... it's a good thing to clean things up. |
| 23:01.00 | TimRiker | however it does not solve cheat issues. we need to set unknown flags to unknown for that to happen. |
| 23:01.24 | Tupone | now flag are unknown if is missing the ID |
| 23:01.37 | TimRiker | then we need a "what is flag #n?" "flag #n is ..." for th folks with ID. |
| 23:02.08 | TimRiker | yeah, flag ids should be random. |
| 23:02.21 | TimRiker | so 25 is not always GM, but one of the flags is always GM. |
| 23:02.41 | Tupone | I think I can give the flag type to a tank ID equipped with the same algorithm in bzfs |
| 23:02.59 | TimRiker | course with the current scheme that there are x flags all the time on most servers, that might not be too useful. you can't change a dropped flag if anyone knows what it is. |
| 23:03.25 | Tupone | I need to think more to that issue |
| 23:03.38 | Tupone | random flag |
| 23:03.44 | Tupone | position |
| 23:03.51 | Tupone | or index, whatever |
| 23:03.53 | TimRiker | I would think the server should add more flags than requested all the time. |
| 23:04.18 | Tupone | hmm null flag? |
| 23:04.36 | TimRiker | course that only works if there are at least some random flags. |
| 23:05.14 | TimRiker | ie: if the admin adds 10 laser and 10 gm always there. then there are 20 flags visible. when one disppears and comes back, the client always knows what they are. |
| 23:05.38 | TimRiker | better to enforce that 10% of the "required" flags are unspawned all the time. |
| 23:05.50 | TimRiker | confusing to the admin perhaps. |
| 23:06.21 | Tupone | we can add null flag , flag that are taken and dropped when a tank ask for them |
| 23:06.36 | TimRiker | a 50:50 might work. ie: I drop laser, and one gm poofs too. then two flags enter and you don't know which is which. |
| 23:07.33 | TimRiker | pondering... |
| 23:07.36 | Tupone | if there are a lot of |
| 23:07.37 | PuMpErNiCkEl | What happens if the number of flags is deliberately set to be fewer than the number players? ie 4 teams, 3 flags |
| 23:08.02 | PuMpErNiCkEl | There are some instances where the exact number of flags on the map is part of the whole experience. |
| 23:08.03 | TimRiker | PuMpErNiCkEl: we're not talking team flags here... |
| 23:08.10 | PuMpErNiCkEl | TimRiker: Neither am I. |
| 23:08.26 | TimRiker | ok, so in your case what are the 3 flags? |
| 23:08.34 | mozul | Or each time a flag disappears it gets a new Random ID. ID is not connected to number of flags on the field. |
| 23:08.38 | PuMpErNiCkEl | I'm just inventing a scenario. ^_^ |
| 23:09.09 | TimRiker | if they are all known flags (ie: all laser) then there's no point in doing any unknown flag handling in the first place. |
| 23:09.33 | TimRiker | mozul: internally the server tells the client how many flags there are on player join. |
| 23:10.01 | TimRiker | my comment above was that we could fudge that. ie: admin says 10 flags, we add 12. then keep 2 off the field. |
| 23:10.15 | mozul | yes. but the ID for each flag would change once it disappears. The cheater whoud only know the flag identity until it disappears. |
| 23:10.27 | TimRiker | problem is that most maps don't use random numbers of flags at the moment. course we could change that in 2.1 |
| 23:10.54 | TimRiker | right now if you say "all" flags, you get one of each type. no more, no less. |
| 23:11.09 | PuMpErNiCkEl | But if they're not all the same, but they are specifically chosen, it may require special handling or something. O_o |
| 23:11.24 | TimRiker | mozul: let's say one player gets ID, and then drives around IDing all flags. |
| 23:11.55 | mozul | so he knows what the flags are until they get used up and disappear. |
| 23:11.55 | TimRiker | we can't change one that he has seen. so when the GM poofs and is re-spawned, it has to be a GM. that's the only missing flag in the set. |
| 23:12.22 | TimRiker | it does not matter what the ID is, it's an easy hack to map it back to the correct ID even if you did not get it over the wire. |
| 23:12.34 | TimRiker | mozul: no. |
| 23:12.50 | TimRiker | cause each one that disappears and comes back is still the same flag. |
| 23:13.25 | TimRiker | so as long as two don't disapear and return at exactly the same time, he _always_ knows which flags are which. |
| 23:13.28 | mozul | do they "come back" instantly? |
| 23:13.48 | TimRiker | predictably, yes. |
| 23:13.59 | Tupone | TimRiker: what about adding false (or null) flags? |
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| 23:14.25 | TimRiker | unless you add random flags to your map. which I usually do, but almost no normal server admins to in my experience. |
| 23:14.26 | Tupone | just to have some spare number |
| 23:14.50 | TimRiker | Tupone: well, I don't like the idea that a player can se himself pick up a flag, and then get nothing. |
| 23:15.00 | Tupone | yeap :( |
| 23:15.01 | TimRiker | that sounds like a bug report waiting to happen. |
| 23:15.26 | mozul | ya i like the idea of having a buffer of off map flags. Like a card shoe for blackjack. |
| 23:15.50 | PuMpErNiCkEl | You could try rewriting the flag-handling section in Fortran so nobody has a positive idea what's actually happening. ;) |
| 23:16.06 | Pimpinella | afair Manu made a flag setup for viper that makes flags spawn more randomly |
| 23:16.14 | TimRiker | a settable parameter as to how many flags are not on the board. with an option to have them randomly leave as well as randomly enter. ;-) |
| 23:16.33 | TimRiker | Pimpinella: it can be done easily. just that most admins don't do it. |
| 23:17.42 | Pimpinella | TimRiker: so why not write a wiki article and leave it as it is? |
| 23:18.11 | TimRiker | perhaps an option for "percentage of flags not on the board" that defaults to the greator of 2 or 10%. |
| 23:18.11 | PuMpErNiCkEl | w00! |
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| 23:18.41 | TimRiker | Pimpinella: cause nobody reads the wiki. ;-/ |
| 23:18.48 | JeffM2501 | stupid double click :( |
| 23:19.14 | TimRiker | try this: ctrl-q it locks your irc window open. |
| 23:19.21 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 23:19.24 | TimRiker | aw |
| 23:20.05 | TimRiker | ~backwards |
| 23:20.07 | ibot | Did you know, Ctrl-Q makes your text go backwards in many IRC clients? You might be able to read this: .stneilc tsom sesolc tsuj siht esruoc fO |
| 23:20.52 | TimRiker | nobody believes me anymore. |
| 23:20.58 | Tupone | :) |
| 23:21.15 | JeffM2501 | change it to alt + f4 |
| 23:21.26 | TimRiker | Tupone: well. don't let me discourage you. sounds like it's a start at least. ;-) |
| 23:21.45 | Tupone | no discouragement :) just thinking |
| 23:22.05 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: it's the same in lin/win xchat ifaik, and I thought mIRC also had ctrl-q mapped. |
| 23:22.09 | Tupone | and I did half of that, so I can test it better |
| 23:22.35 | TimRiker | =) |
| 23:23.16 | JeffM2501 | mIRC is for girls |
| 23:24.31 | JeffM2501 | the nice thing about alt+f4 is it closes ANY windows app :) |
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| 23:58.05 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03trepan 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx: |
| 23:58.05 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: "/flag give" now sends MsgGrabFlag rather then just |
| 23:58.06 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: dropping in near the player's last known position. |