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| 00:06.50 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03trepan 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx: cleaner |
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| 00:32.05 | amathis | Is it possible to check for something when you ./configure, flag whether it is present or not, and if it isn't present, don't compile a certain file |
| 00:32.34 | JeffM2501 | yeah probably |
| 00:32.39 | JeffM2501 | IIRC that's what configure does |
| 00:32.49 | JeffM2501 | bzflag should do it with SDL |
| 00:32.55 | JeffM2501 | if you don't have SDL it will build native |
| 00:32.58 | amathis | well, I knew configure would not let you make if you didn't have something the app need |
| 00:33.00 | brlcad | that's inherintly what configure is supposed to do |
| 00:33.02 | amathis | *needed |
| 00:33.13 | brlcad | it's up to the logic in the configure.ac |
| 00:33.25 | amathis | ok |
| 00:33.36 | JeffM2501 | that logic tells it how to make the makefile and what to include |
| 00:33.47 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, how were the meetings? |
| 00:34.00 | amathis | ok, that makes sense. |
| 00:35.20 | brlcad | JeffM2501: horrid |
| 00:35.49 | JeffM2501 | you done with them |
| 00:35.59 | brlcad | yeah |
| 00:36.11 | JeffM2501 | had a nice convo with our favorate of underground mamals today |
| 00:36.24 | brlcad | yeah, how was that "meeting"? ;) |
| 00:42.40 | amathis | ah, ah, I just saw in src/bzadmin/Makefile.am how it says if HAVE_CURSES for whether to include the curses UI for bzadmin |
| 00:42.50 | JeffM2501 | you have to have curses |
| 00:42.53 | JeffM2501 | oh sorry |
| 00:42.53 | amathis | minus the redundancy |
| 00:42.55 | JeffM2501 | curses |
| 00:43.01 | JeffM2501 | I thought you said curl :) |
| 00:43.21 | amathis | :) |
| 00:50.28 | amathis | brlcad: would you mind if I asked you a question about how configure.ac? |
| 00:50.39 | amathis | I don't wanna take up your time |
| 00:51.10 | brlcad | yet you still do :) |
| 00:51.13 | brlcad | just ask ;) |
| 00:51.20 | brlcad | several can answer if i don't |
| 00:52.10 | amathis | if test "x$CURSES_LIB" = x; then |
| 00:52.34 | amathis | That is where it checks for curses right? |
| 00:53.15 | amathis | if so, then where is CURSES_LIB defined, and how would you check for something like gtk? |
| 00:54.57 | amathis | when I have made gtk apps I used configure.in, and checked for gtk, but this looks totally different |
| 00:55.20 | brlcad | that checks whether the CURSES_LIB variable is set |
| 00:55.30 | amathis | oh ok |
| 00:55.47 | brlcad | which would have been set or not set due to an earlier check |
| 00:55.54 | brlcad | search earlier in the file for that |
| 00:56.04 | amathis | ok |
| 00:58.40 | amathis | yes, I see now, although I am going to have to look up some docs.. what exactly is the language of that file? |
| 01:00.58 | brlcad | it's a mix of m4 and bourne shell scripting |
| 01:01.07 | amathis | ok thanks |
| 01:01.11 | brlcad | m4 macros, shell scripting |
| 01:14.52 | JeffM2501 | m4 is evil |
| 01:14.56 | JeffM2501 | it huants me at night |
| 01:15.02 | JeffM2501 | pointing and mocking me |
| 01:17.21 | orange_away | m4 has some nice uses |
| 01:17.31 | orange | config files can be greatly simplified with m4 |
| 01:22.20 | JeffM2501 | scons man... scons |
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| 01:37.57 | TD-Linux | are BZFlag maps compressed in any way before being sent to the client? |
| 01:38.49 | TD-Linux | not the tokenizing, I mean compressed as in something like gzip |
| 01:39.03 | brlcad | zlib compressed iirc |
| 01:39.12 | brlcad | maybe not, would have to look it up |
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| 01:39.18 | TD-Linux | ok |
| 01:39.20 | brlcad | the option is there |
| 01:39.36 | TD-Linux | if it isn't already, that would be a good feature for 2.1 |
| 01:39.56 | TD-Linux | another question: how do you include files in a map? i.e. multiple file maps |
| 01:40.28 | trepan | include <filename> http:// can be used |
| 01:40.34 | trepan | relative paths can not |
| 01:40.53 | TD-Linux | neat |
| 01:42.04 | trepan | ex: include http://somewhere.com/object.bzw (note the lack of <>) |
| 01:43.37 | TD-Linux | I have another question, because trepan is here, of course ;) - can I see your demo map you made a while ago? The one with the spinning gears that changed color? I want to try out LOD's because I want to make a high-poly curvy mesh - and it is usually only seen up close |
| 01:43.57 | TD-Linux | I think your spinning gears with the strange colors used those |
| 01:45.02 | trepan | you will not succeed without a converter |
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| 01:47.53 | spldart | Ok... is there an easy was to look at the updated files when I run cvs up -dP in my BZ directories.... and does every CVS folder update whenever stuff is added? |
| 01:50.05 | trepan | TD-Linux: all bzflag maps are zlib compressed while going over the wire and in cache form (2.0.0+) |
| 01:51.05 | trepan | 'bzfs -d' will report the amount of compression |
| 01:52.21 | TD-Linux | wow, that's good compression |
| 01:52.29 | TD-Linux | 90% file size reduction |
| 01:53.09 | spldart | IMO maps lend themselves by nature to compression |
| 01:53.26 | trepan | using define/group will generally do better then zlib compression alone, depends on the map |
| 01:53.53 | TD-Linux | ok, that's what I have been doing |
| 01:54.12 | TD-Linux | the map I ran didn't |
| 01:54.29 | trepan | huh? |
| 01:54.54 | TD-Linux | the map I got 90% on was a bzedit map file I got from someplace |
| 01:55.22 | trepan | didn't what? |
| 01:55.37 | TD-Linux | that map didn't use grouping at all |
| 01:56.00 | TD-Linux | I suppose if it groups, it dosen't have to compress those at all :) |
| 01:56.35 | TD-Linux | is there any info on that LOD stuff yet? |
| 01:56.40 | trepan | they get compressed as well, but grouping is much more efficient the running a bunch of skewed floats through zlib |
| 01:56.57 | TD-Linux | aha |
| 01:56.58 | TD-Linux | found it |
| 01:58.27 | TD-Linux | neat... Louman has it in his maps |
| 01:58.56 | trepan | that'd be my doing ;) |
| 01:59.24 | TD-Linux | woweee |
| 01:59.50 | TD-Linux | Apline Assault is huge |
| 02:00.01 | TD-Linux | in the bzw format |
| 02:00.01 | trepan | turns out that it really doesn't much help for those trees and bushes |
| 02:00.42 | TD-Linux | actually, it isn't very bad |
| 02:00.52 | TD-Linux | my internet connection (cable) is slow right now, that's all :) |
| 02:01.08 | trepan | their polycount isn't that high individually |
| 02:01.23 | trepan | (alphathresh material) |
| 02:01.50 | TD-Linux | LODs are quite a bit simpler than I thought |
| 02:02.36 | Teppic | Did he use it on the trees? |
| 02:02.44 | TD-Linux | yes |
| 02:03.00 | TD-Linux | the tree polygon has about 12 vertices, it looks like |
| 02:03.04 | TD-Linux | it gets reduced to 6 |
| 02:03.07 | TD-Linux | and then to 4 |
| 02:03.10 | TD-Linux | about |
| 02:03.20 | TD-Linux | don't know if that would affect anything, though |
| 02:08.18 | Teppic | Considering the poly count of the floor alone ,I don't see the point in this case, unless I'm missing something. |
| 02:08.57 | trepan | overdraw reduction |
| 02:12.27 | spldart | Anybody know what packages i need to install with vc8 to do builds of bz in windows? |
| 02:12.40 | TD-Linux | I have successfuly done it... |
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| 02:12.53 | TD-Linux | you have to install the Windows SDK... |
| 02:12.58 | TD-Linux | DirectX... |
| 02:13.01 | TD-Linux | hmm |
| 02:13.05 | TD-Linux | that's all I can think of |
| 02:13.08 | TD-Linux | oh yeah |
| 02:13.16 | TD-Linux | you need some dll's too |
| 02:13.27 | spldart | ok.. got vc8, direct x and sdk... |
| 02:13.29 | spldart | which dll |
| 02:13.47 | TD-Linux | a zlib one, and another one |
| 02:13.47 | spldart | LOL |
| 02:13.54 | TD-Linux | let me check |
| 02:14.04 | TD-Linux | libcurl.dll and zlibwapi.dll |
| 02:14.11 | spldart | okies |
| 02:14.21 | spldart | you just copy them from the binary??? |
| 02:14.22 | TD-Linux | those are runtime, it should compile fine without htem |
| 02:14.41 | Teppic | Well, apart from proper bugtesting, I have 4 import modules left to write. |
| 02:15.20 | TD-Linux | You can, or you could compile them from source... but copying from the binary works just as well :P |
| 02:15.44 | spldart | I can cvs, autogen, configure, make in linux but when I got minGW MSYS and DTP?sp? for win I couldn't get a succesful build |
| 02:16.05 | TD-Linux | using VC8 now? |
| 02:16.12 | spldart | keep getting libcurl problems in ./configure no matter what curl I try :( |
| 02:16.34 | TD-Linux | so you are using VC8 now? |
| 02:16.54 | spldart | no... I downloaded those packages but haven't tried them yet.. was still tinkering with minGW |
| 02:16.59 | TD-Linux | oh |
| 02:17.07 | TD-Linux | can't help you there... I never got that to work myself |
| 02:17.09 | spldart | I was considering installing them now |
| 02:17.25 | TD-Linux | the more I look at this drawinfo, the more it confuses me... |
| 02:17.31 | spldart | VC8 that is |
| 02:17.37 | TD-Linux | ok |
| 02:17.49 | TD-Linux | beware, it's in the gigs somewhere |
| 02:18.18 | spldart | was considering doing the express version... and I have gigs of space... but now I'm worried |
| 02:18.37 | TD-Linux | can't be more than 2 gigs :) |
| 02:18.46 | spldart | I have an 80 gig split for dual boot linux and windows + a raid for data.... |
| 02:18.50 | spldart | oh.... not to bad |
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| 02:19.40 | TD-Linux | have to go to bed now... |
| 02:19.57 | spldart | nighty night |
| 02:19.59 | spldart | hehe |
| 02:21.43 | TD-Linux | I'll let IRC log until I absolutely have to shut down... /me is gone now |
| 02:26.18 | Teppic | Whats <t> in the corner definition? |
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| 02:29.16 | benplaut | anyone here in ubuntu? |
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| 02:31.12 | JeffM2501 | I have it installed on a couple systems |
| 02:31.43 | spldart | I used to have it on one :( |
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| 02:46.31 | JeffM2501 | Steve Jobs wants to rule the world dosn't he? |
| 02:46.41 | JeffM2501 | from a little off white box |
| 02:52.06 | benplaut | JeffM2501: do you play BZflag on that box? |
| 02:52.23 | benplaut | i've b0rked my audio, and need the default settings back :/ |
| 02:52.27 | JeffM2501 | I have run the client on it some times |
| 02:52.31 | spldart | Hums tears for fears |
| 02:52.55 | JeffM2501 | you borked the audio in bz or the entire system? |
| 02:53.38 | benplaut | no, jst on bz |
| 02:53.49 | benplaut | woops, g2g |
| 02:53.53 | JeffM2501 | then just blow out your config |
| 02:53.57 | JeffM2501 | and it'll regen it |
| 02:54.00 | JeffM2501 | automagilcy |
| 02:54.04 | benplaut|afk | okey dokey |
| 02:54.05 | JeffM2501 | and set you back to defaults |
| 03:01.21 | spldart | be back.. rebooting to linux |
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| 03:16.04 | JeffM2501 | what drivers do you run for your 9600? |
| 03:16.09 | spldart | Arg... I really need to get my fluxbox shortcut for bzadmin 1.10 running |
| 03:16.41 | spldart | in win... have no idea... in X 4.3 the flxgr or whateva ati was offering a month ago... |
| 03:16.52 | spldart | haven't tried again in a while |
| 03:17.00 | JeffM2501 | and they didn't work? |
| 03:17.21 | spldart | they gave me some minor accel in BZ but nothing anywhere near windows |
| 03:17.30 | JeffM2501 | wierd |
| 03:18.12 | spldart | was thinking of doing a edit of my sources.list to add etch sources with low priority and seeing if that gets me a newer version of X then trying again |
| 03:18.19 | spldart | 6.8 or 6.9 or something.. |
| 03:18.28 | spldart | again |
| 03:19.15 | spldart | what do you think? try ati again or try to find a ver of X that has built in support like 7.0 or maybe 6.9 IIRC |
| 03:21.41 | JeffM2501 | what version of x does ATI want? |
| 03:22.06 | spldart | oooOOOooo .... ati has updated their drivers for X since the last time I tried it... |
| 03:22.40 | spldart | they have drivers for 4.1 2 and 3 + 6.8 |
| 03:23.00 | spldart | all 8.21.7 posted 1,18,06 |
| 03:23.13 | spldart | I got 4.3 right now |
| 03:23.22 | spldart | x 4.3 not driver |
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| 03:24.45 | spldart | downloading driver 4.3 and 6.8 now |
| 03:25.10 | spldart | all in the name of driving my tank with a penquin :) |
| 03:25.13 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: again? |
| 03:25.25 | JeffM2501 | mehhh I'm bored :) |
| 03:25.31 | purple_cow | something new or your lj? |
| 03:25.44 | JeffM2501 | LJ was just to impress a girl |
| 03:25.47 | JeffM2501 | she moved away |
| 03:25.59 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 03:26.00 | spldart | Jeff... what tools do I need with vc8 express, directX and sdk? |
| 03:26.12 | JeffM2501 | spldart, curl |
| 03:26.16 | JeffM2501 | and maybe some other libs |
| 03:26.17 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: url? |
| 03:26.23 | JeffM2501 | working on it |
| 03:26.27 | JeffM2501 | looking at blogspot now |
| 03:26.30 | spldart | thanks |
| 03:27.26 | spldart | hehe.. |
| 03:28.45 | spldart | what was that -- that makes only bzfs and bzadmin??? |
| 03:28.50 | JeffM2501 | blogspot looks like ass in IE, but I may not care about it |
| 03:31.22 | spldart | found it.... --disable-client |
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| 03:42.18 | spldart | Holy crap... ATI just updated to driver 9.21.7 in the last 5 minutes :eek: |
| 03:46.13 | spldart | grr... researching how to cope with .rpm in debian |
| 03:47.49 | shorty114 | ATi came out with the X1900 or whatever :D |
| 03:48.17 | shorty114 | yup X1900 |
| 04:05.53 | spldart | woah... tar ing my kernel source.... that's a lotta files |
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| 04:24.05 | orchid | hideadmin is a plugin or db permission? |
| 04:24.51 | JeffM2501 | both I think :) |
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| 04:25.52 | a-delusion | now i got it set up right |
| 04:26.29 | a-delusion | anyway... i went ahead and registered a new domain.. planet-mofo.com |
| 04:29.56 | spldart | mmMMmm editing my sources.list |
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| 07:12.59 | lan56 | hahah, "In going from Marathon 2 to Marathon ∞, Bungie was given a joke award by MacFormat magazine for 'largest version number increase'." |
| 07:13.14 | lan56 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marathon_%E2%88%9E#Trivia |
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| 09:41.42 | remi | hi |
| 09:42.19 | remi | can you tell me wich is the prefered way to run a server ? from the CLI or from the GUI inside the client ? |
| 09:42.54 | Chestal | standalone, from the command line |
| 09:43.17 | Chestal | the GUI is really only for a quick local game |
| 09:43.22 | remi | ok; Chestal |
| 09:43.42 | remi | Chestal, it's for a quick local game too :) |
| 09:44.28 | remi | the fact is the with the GUI, i don't see my maps. In wich directory should be the map to see them when you start a server from the gui ? |
| 09:45.24 | remi | well, it doesnt matter.... |
| 09:45.50 | remi | anyway do you know if it's preferable to install bzflag from sources or with the installer ? |
| 09:45.52 | Chestal | hmm, I don't know. |
| 09:46.15 | remi | i have root access |
| 09:46.28 | Chestal | Windows I assume? Installer is fine. Exept if you want to try the dev version in CVS or one of the betas |
| 09:46.36 | remi | nope lin |
| 09:46.52 | Chestal | then you are normally fine with the package for your distro |
| 09:47.06 | remi | Chestal, unfortunatly _not_ :° |
| 09:47.07 | remi | :) |
| 09:47.09 | Chestal | some versions for Debian had issues |
| 09:47.17 | remi | yeap exactly :D |
| 09:47.23 | remi | big issues :) |
| 09:47.39 | remi | so i install from sources ? |
| 09:47.46 | remi | or from the installer ? |
| 09:48.05 | Chestal | I _think_ they are resolved, might depend on what Debian you're running. Building from sources is not too hard, though |
| 09:48.22 | remi | debian testing |
| 09:49.58 | remi | ... seems that i can't reach the server to download sources ... :/ |
| 09:50.33 | Chestal | tarball or CVS? |
| 09:50.48 | remi | thanks sourceforge it works on their servers :) |
| 09:50.56 | remi | Chestal, tarball of the official bzflag site |
| 09:51.12 | Chestal | you sure that the current debian testing package does not work ok? |
| 09:51.18 | remi | they should link the dowload to sourceforge |
| 09:51.44 | remi | Chestal, the fact is that i lost a lot of time trying to get the server run correctly |
| 09:51.50 | remi | and that didn't worked |
| 09:52.01 | remi | i mean the clients had an error |
| 09:52.08 | remi | so ... |
| 09:53.07 | Chestal | hmm, I am not aware of such problems. But if you want to build yourself, I'd recommend to go with current CVS code |
| 09:53.13 | remi | Chestal, on debian wich packages do i need to install from sources § |
| 09:53.16 | remi | ? |
| 09:54.08 | Chestal | if you use CVS, you need the autotools. You also need some glx-dev package and more. configure will complain if you're missing something |
| 09:54.27 | remi | ok |
| 09:56.00 | Pimpinella | wow, 1vs1 servers are busy... |
| 09:56.24 | Chestal | I practiced myself a bit yesterday :-) |
| 09:56.42 | Pimpinella | 13 matches ;) |
| 09:57.01 | Pimpinella | 14# |
| 09:58.39 | Pimpinella | remi: apt-get build-dep bzflag |
| 09:59.02 | remi | Pimpinella, good idea thanks :) |
| 10:02.44 | remi | Pimpinella, i have to choose one of these : xlibmesa-glu-dev 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge1 |
| 10:02.45 | remi | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:03.17 | remi | do you recommend one particularly ? |
| 10:04.48 | Pimpinella | remi: dunno |
| 10:05.57 | remi | is there an unofficial bzflag package for debian around ??? |
| 10:06.14 | Pimpinella | i can build one for you |
| 10:06.47 | remi | wow, really ? could be cool :) |
| 10:06.55 | Pimpinella | sarge? |
| 10:07.00 | remi | yeap |
| 10:07.16 | Chestal | ah, then it's latest stable, not testing |
| 10:07.36 | Chestal | libglu1-xorg-dev it is for me. But I guess sarge is still XFree? |
| 10:07.48 | Pimpinella | xlibmesa-glu-dev is not in sid anymore, don't think in etch either |
| 10:07.54 | remi | Chestal, yeap sorry |
| 10:08.11 | Pimpinella | su |
| 10:08.15 | remi | yeap thats a problem of xlibmesa... |
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| 10:09.01 | remi | Pimpinella, oh wait |
| 10:09.19 | remi | i see a bzflag 2.0.4 in sid (or testin) |
| 10:09.27 | Pimpinella | yeah |
| 10:09.38 | Pimpinella | it's in there |
| 10:09.42 | remi | i think i'm gonna install it to see if it fix my server problem |
| 10:09.48 | remi | yeap, :) |
| 10:10.19 | Pimpinella | tell me if it doesn't work for you |
| 10:10.21 | Pimpinella | bbl |
| 10:10.45 | remi | ok; Pimpinella . thanks :) |
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| 10:20.34 | remi | where can i find examples of conf files ? |
| 10:59.28 | Pimpinella | remi: in bzflag's sources misc/bzfs.conf |
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| 14:46.45 | a-delusion | i have downloaded from the provided link |
| 14:47.23 | a-delusion | it appears I now have a working copy of BZFlag compiled for intel macintosh |
| 14:48.32 | a-delusion | time to chuck my old mac out the window. |
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| 15:58.57 | menotume | Announement: There is a new OFFICIAL 1vs1 server in the US .... 1vs1.bzflag.bz:1111 |
| 16:03.56 | Chestal | yay, same code as the servers we know? |
| 16:06.30 | menotume | yes :) |
| 16:06.42 | sniperyyd | good :) |
| 16:06.46 | menotume | ~brlcad++ |
| 16:07.04 | sniperyyd | umm, how can i see brlcad's karma/ |
| 16:07.11 | sniperyyd | and mines |
| 16:07.41 | menotume | karma mines |
| 16:07.44 | menotume | ~karma mines |
| 16:07.44 | ibot | mines has neutral karma |
| 16:07.47 | sniperyyd | aha |
| 16:07.49 | menotume | ~karma sniperyyd |
| 16:07.49 | ibot | sniperyyd has neutral karma |
| 16:07.55 | sniperyyd | ~karma brlcad |
| 16:07.55 | ibot | brlcad has karma of 86 |
| 16:07.59 | sniperyyd | omg |
| 16:08.03 | sniperyyd | :) nice karma |
| 16:08.08 | menotume | ~karma learner |
| 16:08.08 | ibot | learner has karma of 87 |
| 16:08.19 | sniperyyd | woopsey learner is better than brlcad |
| 16:08.20 | menotume | ~brlcad++ |
| 16:08.22 | ToughShooter | learner is nicer than brlcad |
| 16:08.28 | menotume | not any more |
| 16:08.28 | sniperyyd | yep |
| 16:08.30 | sniperyyd | :) |
| 16:08.35 | sniperyyd | hehe |
| 16:08.37 | ToughShooter | menotume: meanie ;) |
| 16:19.09 | a-delusion | ~karma a-delusion |
| 16:19.09 | ibot | a-delusion has neutral karma |
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| 16:19.15 | a-delusion | wow |
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| 16:25.11 | spldart | An official keyed 'Microsoft Visual Studio .NET 2003 couldn't do my bzbuilding in windows could it... My brother is a programmer and had a copy I can have... |
| 16:25.16 | spldart | Just curious |
| 16:39.37 | BenUrban | ~karma |
| 16:39.37 | ibot | benurban has karma of -2 |
| 16:39.49 | BenUrban | a-delusion: you have no reason to be morose |
| 16:40.06 | a-delusion | im actually very happy |
| 16:40.25 | a-delusion | someone has compiled bzflag for intel macintosh for me |
| 16:42.10 | BenUrban | you have an intel mac? |
| 16:42.16 | BenUrban | sweet |
| 16:42.26 | BenUrban | how is it? |
| 16:43.10 | a-delusion | i ordered less than two hours after the announcement, it is a work of art, especially compared to my old machine |
| 16:43.29 | BenUrban | imac or macbook? |
| 16:43.38 | a-delusion | imac dv+ 450 mhz |
| 16:43.43 | BenUrban | 450? |
| 16:43.45 | BenUrban | ... |
| 16:43.57 | BenUrban | that's dual-core though right? |
| 16:44.10 | a-delusion | macbook not available yet, imac 20 inch 2.0 ghz per core |
| 16:44.17 | a-delusion | the old one |
| 16:44.42 | BenUrban | huh? is it 450 or 2.0? |
| 16:44.48 | a-delusion | i have more video ram than the old computer had total ram |
| 16:44.55 | BenUrban | oh, the 450 was the old one? |
| 16:45.00 | a-delusion | yep |
| 16:45.02 | BenUrban | ok that makes more sense now |
| 16:46.09 | a-delusion | i wish i knew who that was that compiled bzflag, for this machine, they deserve a raise, wherever it is they work |
| 16:46.12 | BenUrban | i'm curious...do classic apps work on intel osx? |
| 16:46.20 | a-delusion | no |
| 16:46.27 | a-delusion | never will |
| 16:46.31 | BenUrban | bah |
| 16:46.33 | BenUrban | thought not |
| 16:46.35 | CIA-2 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10GPx01/ (3 files in 3 dirs): |
| 16:47.01 | BenUrban | as far as compiling for intel mac, afaik it's trivial for someone with the right version of xcode |
| 16:47.10 | BenUrban | not that i'd know |
| 16:47.16 | a-delusion | i stopped using my last classic app a year ago, a home automation program |
| 16:47.43 | BenUrban | heh, my mom still uses an imac dv with os 9 on it |
| 16:47.43 | a-delusion | so was I until last week, didnt have enough ram |
| 16:48.02 | BenUrban | s/ram/$$$/ for me |
| 16:48.35 | BenUrban | do you know whether there is any support in any version of xcode i can use to build for intel mac? |
| 16:48.47 | BenUrban | (without upgrading to 10.4) |
| 16:49.11 | a-delusion | that is beyond my purview |
| 16:49.37 | BenUrban | including xpilot-ng and netpanzer |
| 16:50.12 | BenUrban | hmm maybe you could do me a favor and try the ppc version on an intel mac... |
| 16:50.12 | a-delusion | find out who "daemon" is, look in the 2.0.4 released thread. |
| 16:50.28 | BenUrban | haha i still rn 2.0.2 on my gentoo box |
| 16:50.39 | a-delusion | yeah ill do that, but i cannot compile for you. |
| 16:50.42 | BenUrban | because nobody ever bothered to make an ebuild for 2.0.4 |
| 16:50.45 | BenUrban | ok |
| 16:51.43 | BenUrban | fyi, #xpilot and #netpanzer will get you to those apps |
| 16:51.57 | BenUrban | also note that netpanzer has never been stable |
| 16:52.00 | a-delusion | i suppose i can't call this new imac a "box" what would be a good name... send me some links |
| 16:52.04 | BenUrban | no matter what os it's on |
| 16:52.16 | spldart | hrm... |
| 16:52.16 | BenUrban | ok lessee... |
| 16:52.19 | spldart | ~karma |
| 16:52.19 | ibot | spldart has neutral karma |
| 16:52.23 | spldart | lol |
| 16:52.58 | BenUrban | http://xpilot.sourceforge.net/ http://netpanzer.berlios.de/ |
| 16:54.32 | spldart | lol |
| 16:54.44 | BenUrban | new "word" i learned last weekend :P |
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| 16:55.43 | BenUrban | Found 102 updates |
| 16:55.43 | BenUrban | 47 of them are already built |
| 16:55.46 | BenUrban | siiiiiigh |
| 16:56.10 | BenUrban | it already ran out of space in /var/tmp last night |
| 16:57.48 | a-delusion | how long should netpanzer generate pallettes |
| 16:57.58 | BenUrban | the first time may take 5 minutes or so |
| 16:58.06 | a-delusion | it seemed stuck |
| 16:58.38 | a-delusion | so i force quit, will get the other game too, then test |
| 16:59.33 | BenUrban | yeah it takes awhile to generate the palettes the first time you start netpanzer |
| 16:59.50 | BenUrban | in some builds, it's already done |
| 17:00.05 | BenUrban | i think there was some reason i didn't do it for this one |
| 17:00.20 | BenUrban | possibly to keep the file size down |
| 17:01.49 | a-delusion | ok i have both games. i will start netpanzer back up then go do dishes |
| 17:02.18 | BenUrban | k |
| 17:02.50 | BenUrban | just keep in mind that netpanzer likes to crash while you're in a game |
| 17:03.02 | BenUrban | sometimes it's the client, sometimes it's the server |
| 17:04.34 | spldart | god! browsing through the bz directory in cvs and being able to look at the differences in current and previous versions of a file is so very very cool... I wish I knew C++ ! :-( /n00b |
| 17:05.18 | spldart | can someone link me to something online that gives some beginner lessons on C++... or should I just google |
| 17:11.10 | spldart | NM http://www.cplusplus.com seems to be helping me :) |
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| 17:14.39 | BenUrban | a-delusion: i gotta get going now... |
| 17:14.58 | BenUrban | please let me know how well they worked when i get back' |
| 17:15.08 | BenUrban | (should be in about 3 hours) |
| 17:15.17 | amathis | dangit. |
| 17:15.34 | BenUrban | a-delusion: and if you need help, #xpilot and #netpanzer |
| 17:17.06 | JeffM2501 | shine unsingable name... over everything.... |
| 17:21.28 | a-delusion | ???? jeff ben urban netpanzer seems to operate well under rosetta |
| 17:22.15 | a-delusion | #netpanzer |
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| 17:32.22 | trepan | added anisotropic filtering and multisampling controls, more ways to lower fps ... |
| 17:32.49 | JeffM2501 | wow so the booring grass can look even better? ;) |
| 17:32.52 | trepan | ground flickers with aniso @ 16, even with FSAA at 16x |
| 17:33.11 | trepan | grass doesn't have to be so boring anymore :) |
| 17:33.17 | JeffM2501 | dosn't have to be |
| 17:33.21 | JeffM2501 | is for most people |
| 17:33.28 | JeffM2501 | but I meant flat |
| 17:33.38 | trepan | it ain't flat |
| 17:33.44 | JeffM2501 | we have the pretiest infantate plane at a the ball :) |
| 17:34.02 | JeffM2501 | it ain't terrain |
| 17:34.42 | trepan | no, but that's in keeping with the simple tank control/aiming |
| 17:34.49 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 17:35.04 | JeffM2501 | tho I have a feeling that there are ways to keep it simple and allow it |
| 17:35.06 | spldart | YAY! I just did my first sample C++ executable.... <8-D> |
| 17:35.12 | trepan | you want a full tank sim with a plethora of controls, prolly a diff game |
| 17:35.20 | JeffM2501 | no, I don't want a full tank sim |
| 17:35.27 | JeffM2501 | but yes i want a difrent game |
| 17:35.40 | JeffM2501 | I only need 3 axes |
| 17:35.44 | JeffM2501 | not 4 |
| 17:36.06 | JeffM2501 | I have a dream! |
| 17:36.14 | trepan | dreams rot over time |
| 17:36.33 | JeffM2501 | not one with katie beckensail |
| 17:36.41 | trepan | heh |
| 17:36.48 | trepan | seen that new flick? |
| 17:36.51 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 17:36.56 | JeffM2501 | mmmmm side-boob |
| 17:37.31 | trepan | worthy of its predecessor? (cheesy action / chick in leather?) |
| 17:38.44 | JeffM2501 | it's more action |
| 17:38.47 | JeffM2501 | more leather |
| 17:38.53 | JeffM2501 | I liked it |
| 17:38.59 | JeffM2501 | in some ways I liked it better then the first |
| 17:39.07 | JeffM2501 | it's a bit more on the "monster" movie tho |
| 17:39.15 | JeffM2501 | many guns are fired |
| 17:39.17 | JeffM2501 | much blood |
| 17:39.26 | trepan | much leather |
| 17:39.37 | JeffM2501 | she even gets out of the leather |
| 17:39.55 | trepan | when you ain't got a plot ... ;) |
| 17:40.13 | JeffM2501 | the plot is about as strong as the first |
| 17:40.14 | JeffM2501 | it's there |
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| 17:40.21 | JeffM2501 | but it's not like the major work of the movie |
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| 17:58.42 | spldart | There is now way to build bzfs or bzadmin in it's own directory is there? Goto /bzflag/src/bzfs or bzadmin/bzfs or bzadmin.... |
| 17:59.04 | JeffM2501 | what do you mean? |
| 17:59.05 | spldart | I'm trying but breaking |
| 17:59.26 | JeffM2501 | each bin gets put in it's own src dir |
| 17:59.29 | JeffM2501 | when it's built |
| 17:59.50 | spldart | try to build an executable for say bzfs or bzadmin from inside that directory... instead of calling the gen conf and make from bzflag dir |
| 18:00.02 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 18:00.06 | JeffM2501 | no it dosn't work like that |
| 18:00.11 | spldart | thought so... |
| 18:00.18 | JeffM2501 | the main apps need the libs from outside that dir |
| 18:00.21 | spldart | I'm missing all kinds of stuff and breaking bad |
| 18:00.24 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:00.31 | spldart | ok |
| 18:00.32 | JeffM2501 | cus the app is more then what is in that dir |
| 18:00.40 | JeffM2501 | like common, net, etc... |
| 18:00.54 | JeffM2501 | just build the entire thing |
| 18:00.57 | spldart | I figured that was the case... just didn't know for sure and didn't know specifics |
| 18:01.07 | JeffM2501 | if there are no changes in the other bins it won't build them, |
| 18:01.14 | JeffM2501 | once you build once, from then on it's incremental builds |
| 18:01.19 | JeffM2501 | where it only does what changes |
| 18:01.36 | spldart | I know... I was just trying to break off a piece of bzflag and experiment with it... make it more managable to help me learn C++ stuff |
| 18:02.45 | spldart | I figured bzadmin in windows would be a good small 'piece' of bzflag to bite off and tinker with :) |
| 18:02.55 | JeffM2501 | then if you just change the parts in bzflag client, and build the entire thing, then only the thing that will build is the cleint |
| 18:03.03 | JeffM2501 | you can't |
| 18:03.06 | spldart | ok |
| 18:03.07 | JeffM2501 | bzadmin uses the client |
| 18:03.22 | JeffM2501 | all the code is conected |
| 18:03.26 | JeffM2501 | you can't "break" part off |
| 18:03.34 | spldart | so if I tinker with bzadmin i have to build all to check out my mods |
| 18:03.36 | JeffM2501 | the only thing you can do that is seperate is plugins |
| 18:03.52 | JeffM2501 | yes, but when you buiklt all, the only thing that woudl build would be bzadmin |
| 18:03.57 | JeffM2501 | cus that's all that changed |
| 18:04.02 | spldart | got it.. thanks |
| 18:04.05 | spldart | :) |
| 18:04.13 | JeffM2501 | you may want to start with plugins |
| 18:04.16 | JeffM2501 | they are very small |
| 18:04.21 | JeffM2501 | and somewhat cclean |
| 18:04.24 | spldart | I hadn't thought of that |
| 18:05.18 | JeffM2501 | tho I'd highly recomend finishing ALL the tutorials before you begin working on rael code |
| 18:06.54 | spldart | Other than breaking my local bzflag build is there other trouble I could get into that would make reading all tutorials important? other than making my dll's go TU in win/system and have spend an hour fixing that? hehe |
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| 18:07.33 | JeffM2501 | the tutorials teach you the language |
| 18:07.53 | JeffM2501 | it's not a mater of "breaking" things |
| 18:07.59 | JeffM2501 | it's actualy hard to hurt your computer |
| 18:08.03 | JeffM2501 | with just code |
| 18:08.10 | JeffM2501 | if you do something bad it wont' compile |
| 18:08.12 | JeffM2501 | or just crash |
| 18:08.20 | JeffM2501 | but you've done what? 1 tutorial? |
| 18:08.40 | spldart | I'm part way through 2 that I'm reading back and forth on C++ |
| 18:08.58 | JeffM2501 | and you know about what? variables, maybe the If statement? |
| 18:09.04 | spldart | kinda ignoring all other languages and focusing on windows builds |
| 18:09.10 | JeffM2501 | got classes? got templates? |
| 18:09.14 | JeffM2501 | got STL? |
| 18:09.24 | JeffM2501 | building on windows is easy, you hit F5 |
| 18:09.30 | JeffM2501 | what is your goal? |
| 18:09.35 | JeffM2501 | to learn the language and make mods? |
| 18:09.43 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:10.02 | spldart | to make small mods and maybe even small pieces of code to add to apps that already exist to costumize them for me |
| 18:10.13 | JeffM2501 | then you need to learn ALL the parts of the language |
| 18:10.19 | JeffM2501 | or at least the major parts |
| 18:10.30 | JeffM2501 | just knowing how to build dosn't mean you know how to program |
| 18:10.49 | spldart | That's obvious.... building is nothing to coding |
| 18:11.52 | JeffM2501 | I'd higly recomend you know classes, pointers, functions and all that before you start anythign else |
| 18:12.02 | JeffM2501 | otherwise you'll just get frustraited and then quit |
| 18:12.08 | JeffM2501 | I've seen it happen MANY times |
| 18:12.58 | JeffM2501 | even tho you may now know enough to putter around and make small changes, you'll hit stuff you don't know, like a switch statement |
| 18:13.14 | JeffM2501 | and ether hack around it, or get frustrated when you don't know what it does |
| 18:13.16 | spldart | k... I'm making the hop from stuff like hex entry, basic and some machine to c++ btw... I have no experience otherwise... so yeah |
| 18:13.23 | JeffM2501 | if you hack around it, you make bad bad code |
| 18:14.25 | JeffM2501 | I'll be glad to help you if you have any C++ questions, but I realy recomend geting the basics down before you start on an existing project |
| 18:14.46 | JeffM2501 | make small programs |
| 18:14.51 | JeffM2501 | think of a need you have |
| 18:14.56 | JeffM2501 | something you want to automate |
| 18:15.00 | JeffM2501 | and make a small program |
| 18:15.09 | spldart | That's what I have started doing.... little experiment programs |
| 18:15.12 | JeffM2501 | like something that computes the tip ammount from a dinner check |
| 18:15.36 | spldart | I guess I got to excited and looked at the similarities between what I was doing and bzfs.cxx and stuff like that |
| 18:15.48 | JeffM2501 | my first C++ app was a thing that figured out who goes first in a Magic Card game :) |
| 18:19.48 | JeffM2501 | plugins are small place to start |
| 18:19.53 | JeffM2501 | but they use a lot of C++ |
| 18:19.57 | JeffM2501 | classes for the callback |
| 18:20.01 | JeffM2501 | switch statements |
| 18:20.02 | JeffM2501 | STL |
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| 18:21.49 | traxx | hi bzflag players |
| 18:21.55 | JeffM2501 | hello |
| 18:22.17 | spldart | btw... decks in 1.10.8 gets about 40+ joins a day... just to give an idea of traffic flow down in that distro |
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| 18:24.10 | JeffM2501 | well new servers on 1.10 allways show on the first page, so people will check it out :) |
| 18:24.21 | JeffM2501 | where on 2.0 we have what? 170 servers or soething |
| 18:25.31 | spldart | only one page of servers even online hehe |
| 18:25.36 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:25.41 | spldart | 10 at the moment |
| 18:25.48 | JeffM2501 | server listing needs to be cleaned up so very badly |
| 18:27.31 | spldart | I show 63 on bzadmin 2.0.x and 10 in bzamdin 2.1.x |
| 18:28.57 | JeffM2501 | ibot bzflist |
| 18:29.36 | JeffM2501 | 179 2.0 servers and 25 1.10 servers |
| 18:29.59 | JeffM2501 | or is that players? |
| 18:30.00 | spldart | I wonder why I can't see them in my 2.0 and 1.10 clients |
| 18:31.19 | JeffM2501 | there are 151 entrys in the list server |
| 18:31.20 | spldart | my 2.0.5b5 client lists only 134 at this time |
| 18:31.34 | bryjen | players in the () s=Total#ofServers |
| 18:31.41 | JeffM2501 | ahh ok |
| 18:31.44 | spldart | Ah |
| 18:32.14 | JeffM2501 | 1.3 players per server :) |
| 18:32.24 | JeffM2501 | how does that work out |
| 18:32.35 | spldart | same as 2.3 children per family |
| 18:32.37 | JeffM2501 | do some of those servers just NEVER get played? |
| 18:32.54 | JeffM2501 | or are they just have one or 2 every so often |
| 18:33.05 | traxx | never plays most time on bzflag.de |
| 18:33.14 | trepan | JeffM2501: bit of both |
| 18:33.25 | JeffM2501 | the kiddie DSLs never get played? |
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| 18:35.27 | traxx | have u ever played with or against never ? |
| 18:36.11 | JeffM2501 | just like the other servers now, only it cost a bit more ;) |
| 18:36.23 | a-delusion | exactly |
| 18:36.35 | JeffM2501 | and is on an OS with poor thread/process support |
| 18:36.42 | JeffM2501 | but it sure does look purdy |
| 18:36.50 | a-delusion | thankyou daemon, whoever you are, |
| 18:37.43 | traxx | i think, never is the best player ! |
| 18:38.18 | a-delusion | wonko the sane is the best a-delusion has ever seen |
| 18:38.49 | JeffM2501 | the purple cow will rule you all |
| 18:38.52 | spldart | I used to cheat bad at Ultima V with a hex editor 8~D |
| 18:39.20 | a-delusion | pleas never mention hex editing again |
| 18:39.32 | bryjen | meh, cows don't scare me. |
| 18:39.34 | traxx | a-delusion: why not ? |
| 18:39.50 | a-delusion | gives me a headache just thinking about it |
| 18:39.51 | JeffM2501 | hex is from the bast |
| 18:39.52 | bryjen | protons perhaps... |
| 18:39.53 | JeffM2501 | past |
| 18:39.57 | JeffM2501 | true |
| 18:40.02 | JeffM2501 | the proton was in true form |
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| 18:40.11 | JeffM2501 | the cow is a diluted version of our good capitan |
| 18:41.56 | spldart | I was doin that in 84 or 85 IIRC |
| 18:42.16 | JeffM2501 | the year is 2006 |
| 18:42.34 | spldart | 2006 can kiss my white.... |
| 18:42.37 | spldart | stuff |
| 18:42.45 | spldart | lol |
| 18:42.54 | JeffM2501 | be nice to it, or it may well just kick instead of kiss |
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| 18:43.24 | spldart | hehe |
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| 18:56.00 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03bthansen 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: |
| 18:56.02 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: Revert: |
| 18:56.04 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: Generate a plugin bz_ePlayerJoinEvent for all player join attempts. |
| 18:56.06 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: Banned players were getting a bz_ePlayerPartEvent with no join event. |
| 18:56.09 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: oops. Some of this data isn't set yet and bad things happen. |
| 18:56.11 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: Back to the drawing board. |
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| 19:37.00 | spldart | bah.. had to update IE for the encryption for secure sites... time to reboot :( cyah and thanks for the C++ info :) |
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| 20:54.11 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03trepan 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/ (3 files in 2 dirs): anisotropic texture filtering menu entry |
| 20:55.59 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03trepan 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/defaultBZDB.cxx: anistropic menu entry, part II |
| 20:58.29 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03trepan 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/DisplayMenu.cxx: comment |
| 20:58.29 | TD-Linux | trepan: thanks! |
| 20:58.47 | TD-Linux | I've been using the driver to do that |
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| 20:59.03 | TD-Linux | the grass looks much better with it on :) |
| 20:59.31 | gsnedders | those messages come when it comes into dev CVS, right? |
| 20:59.37 | TD-Linux | yes |
| 20:59.40 | gsnedders | so we have to way for the SF.net servers to sync |
| 20:59.42 | gsnedders | :( |
| 20:59.51 | TD-Linux | you'll have to wait 5 hours before they sync automatically |
| 20:59.58 | gsnedders | i know... |
| 21:00.10 | TD-Linux | Does BZFlag have any support for perspective correct texturing? |
| 21:00.30 | trepan | TD-Linux: know anything about GL hints? |
| 21:00.38 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03trepan 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/DisplayMenu.cxx: a little more info in the menu |
| 21:01.00 | TD-Linux | no, but I have two large OpenGL books that I'm reading |
| 21:01.17 | TD-Linux | VC8 broke on me again so I'm delayed a bit |
| 21:02.37 | TD-Linux | most of what I know about 3D stuff is from a book on software rendering I have |
| 21:03.54 | trepan | TD-Linux: i've given you the one hint you need, grep on (or whatever your winny equiv. is) |
| 21:08.17 | trepan | TD-Linux: you'll also need to pickup the GLEW library, and setup your config.h with HAVE_GLEW if you want to get the new menu entry |
| 21:15.25 | TD-Linux | appears VC8 fixed itself, but now my windows CVS program broke |
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| 21:18.56 | Tupone | aww |
| 21:24.02 | JeffM2501 | "fixed itself" |
| 21:24.10 | JeffM2501 | that's some good software if it's self corecting |
| 21:24.17 | JeffM2501 | is it made by skynet? |
| 21:24.38 | TD-Linux | ahh, read about hints now |
| 21:25.01 | TD-Linux | no, believe it or not, M$ |
| 21:25.12 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03trepan 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/ (3 files in 3 dirs): include glew.h by default if available |
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| 21:26.49 | bryjen | $ locate glew.h |
| 21:26.50 | bryjen | $ |
| 21:26.52 | bryjen | aww, no new fancyness for me? |
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| 21:28.43 | trepan | bryjen: http://glew.sourceforge.net/ =) |
| 21:28.43 | trepan | it's used for all the shader / multitex stuff too |
| 21:29.06 | TD-Linux | BZFlag has shaders now, too? /me has been missing out |
| 21:29.54 | trepan | TD-Linux: that hasn't been committed yet |
| 21:30.07 | TD-Linux | oh |
| 21:30.08 | TD-Linux | ok |
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| 21:30.54 | trepan | brlcad may want to look into adjusting the GLEW stuff for apple compilation |
| 21:32.52 | TD-Linux | Does GLEW include some generic shader machine code? |
| 21:33.35 | trepan | read the intro at that link |
| 21:34.22 | TD-Linux | ohhhhh |
| 21:34.23 | TD-Linux | extensions |
| 21:35.26 | TD-Linux | ~lart Microsoft's 10 year old openGL implementation |
| 21:35.45 | TD-Linux | how fitting |
| 21:44.52 | gsnedders | christ. |
| 21:45.10 | gsnedders | i haven't been able to play for days |
| 21:45.16 | gsnedders | all i get is spawn kill after spawn kill |
| 21:46.14 | TD-Linux | why? |
| 21:46.33 | gsnedders | TD-Linux, i dunno. |
| 21:46.44 | gsnedders | but playing when you're getting spawn killed more than not |
| 21:46.49 | gsnedders | well, is that playing? |
| 21:47.46 | TD-Linux | oh |
| 21:47.46 | TD-Linux | that |
| 21:48.16 | TD-Linux | I haven't noticed it lately, but then again I haven't been playing much lately |
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| 22:18.27 | JeffM2501 | yay for new faster laptops :) |
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| 22:18.54 | gsnedders | JeffM2501, ? |
| 22:19.48 | BenUrban | a-delusion: sorry i took so long |
| 22:19.50 | BenUrban | you still around? |
| 22:20.21 | JeffM2501 | they replaced my old company laptop today |
| 22:20.37 | JeffM2501 | I now have 700 more "insiron" |
| 22:20.58 | gsnedders|sleep | insiron? |
| 22:21.04 | gsnedders|sleep | ah. |
| 22:21.11 | JeffM2501 | inspiron |
| 22:21.12 | JeffM2501 | sorry |
| 22:21.16 | JeffM2501 | hard word to type :) |
| 22:21.19 | gsnedders|sleep | :) |
| 22:21.23 | BenUrban | dude you're getting adele |
| 22:21.32 | gsnedders|sleep | :D |
| 22:22.06 | bryjen | insprions, the fundamental particle of inspiration? |
| 22:22.16 | BenUrban | lmfao |
| 22:22.17 | bryjen | ~spell inspiration |
| 22:22.30 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 22:22.33 | BenUrban | haha ibot's uncertain |
| 22:22.33 | bryjen | there's a marketing slogan waiting to happen... |
| 22:22.42 | JeffM2501 | well aperantly, they negate the forces of gravity |
| 22:22.49 | JeffM2501 | as the more I have, the less it weighs |
| 22:23.04 | bryjen | they're uplifting |
| 22:23.12 | JeffM2501 | old one was a 7500, with a 666 P3 |
| 22:23.18 | JeffM2501 | aka the processor of the beast |
| 22:23.39 | JeffM2501 | and one of those wicked fast ATI rage chipsets |
| 22:23.44 | BenUrban | when rounded more accurately, it's 667 |
| 22:23.53 | BenUrban | :D |
| 22:23.54 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 22:24.02 | JeffM2501 | but it real runns at 666.666...... |
| 22:24.03 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:24.08 | JeffM2501 | so it's the CPU of the beast |
| 22:24.15 | BenUrban | true |
| 22:24.16 | bryjen | beast? rage? <insert heat-sink/hot-place joke here> |
| 22:24.21 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 22:24.23 | BenUrban | lmao |
| 22:24.31 | JeffM2501 | thing is trashed too |
| 22:24.35 | gsnedders|sleep | heh. |
| 22:24.46 | JeffM2501 | all the PCMCIA doors are gone |
| 22:24.51 | JeffM2501 | the screne dosn't latch |
| 22:24.55 | BenUrban | lmao |
| 22:25.05 | JeffM2501 | batery lasts 25 min.. max |
| 22:25.05 | BenUrban | i guess thwey don't quite defy gravity |
| 22:25.07 | BenUrban | ;) |
| 22:25.10 | JeffM2501 | that's the old one |
| 22:25.10 | BenUrban | *they |
| 22:25.13 | BenUrban | ah |
| 22:25.14 | JeffM2501 | the new one is clean |
| 22:25.19 | JeffM2501 | new is a 8200 |
| 22:25.23 | BenUrban | the new one defies gravitas |
| 22:25.24 | JeffM2501 | 1.7gig p4 |
| 22:25.34 | JeffM2501 | with a geforce 4 |
| 22:25.37 | JeffM2501 | and a gig of ram |
| 22:25.42 | gsnedders|sleep | heh. |
| 22:25.45 | gsnedders|sleep | less RAM than me :P |
| 22:25.49 | gsnedders|sleep | but not surprising |
| 22:26.03 | JeffM2501 | old one had 384 megs |
| 22:26.19 | JeffM2501 | wish the wireless was built in tho |
| 22:26.26 | JeffM2501 | I keep bending the part that sticks out |
| 22:26.29 | bryjen | P 4 or M ? |
| 22:26.32 | JeffM2501 | p4 |
| 22:26.38 | JeffM2501 | it was just before the M's came out |
| 22:26.44 | JeffM2501 | it's not a new lapy by far |
| 22:27.14 | JeffM2501 | http://beta.bzflag.bz/images/8200.png |
| 22:27.27 | JeffM2501 | screen runs at 1600 tho |
| 22:29.32 | bryjen | that picture is of a backside, not a lap ;) |
| 22:29.50 | JeffM2501 | the best laps are atached to good backsides |
| 22:31.03 | gsnedders|sleep | stupid WebKit with it's buggy :last-child selector |
| 22:31.21 | JeffM2501 | have to see how gp runs on it |
| 22:31.26 | JeffM2501 | it should run better then the old one |
| 22:31.27 | JeffM2501 | I hope |
| 22:31.28 | gsnedders | gp? |
| 22:31.34 | JeffM2501 | GPx01 |
| 22:32.18 | BenUrban | well i guess that would make it a pda |
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| 22:32.50 | JeffM2501 | it's a little biger then the old one |
| 22:32.58 | JeffM2501 | in width and depth |
| 22:33.01 | JeffM2501 | thinner tho |
| 22:33.35 | BenUrban | *sigh* |
| 22:33.50 | BenUrban | i just covered my legs with a ton of lotion and they're still itching like crazy |
| 22:33.58 | BenUrban | (and no, i don't have fleas) |
| 22:34.00 | JeffM2501 | ummm... TMI man |
| 22:34.01 | JeffM2501 | TMI |
| 22:34.04 | BenUrban | TMI? |
| 22:34.10 | BenUrban | ah |
| 22:34.10 | JeffM2501 | Too Much Information |
| 22:34.16 | BenUrban | lol |
| 22:34.33 | BenUrban | sorry it's just hard to thinkabout anything else |
| 22:34.57 | JeffM2501 | one word |
| 22:34.59 | JeffM2501 | showwer |
| 22:35.03 | BenUrban | doesn't help |
| 22:35.27 | JeffM2501 | Jim Bean |
| 22:36.07 | BenUrban | hmm? |
| 22:36.23 | JeffM2501 | h00ch |
| 22:36.25 | JeffM2501 | get drunk |
| 22:36.29 | JeffM2501 | pissed |
| 22:36.33 | JeffM2501 | toe up |
| 22:37.12 | amathis | :-D |
| 22:38.02 | BenUrban | <-- alcohol-free |
| 22:38.36 | JeffM2501 | see and your itching.... |
| 22:38.41 | JeffM2501 | hooch fix that right up |
| 22:38.45 | BenUrban | lol |
| 22:39.06 | BenUrban | in the usa hooch means something else |
| 22:39.13 | purple_cow | it does? |
| 22:39.14 | BenUrban | depending on context |
| 22:39.21 | JBdiGriz | ~dict hooch |
| 22:39.43 | BenUrban | must be #3 |
| 22:40.01 | orange | the hooch is a river |
| 22:40.06 | orange | sheesh, you yankees don't know anything |
| 22:40.27 | JBdiGriz | Louisiana has never really been part of the union (and they left in 1860) |
| 22:40.33 | bryjen | or did CA slide off into the pacific and become its own country? |
| 22:41.02 | JeffM2501 | alaska can come join us too |
| 22:41.33 | JBdiGriz | Moorpark isn't a part of Los Angeles |
| 22:41.42 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 22:41.49 | JeffM2501 | and I don't live in moorpark anymore |
| 22:41.58 | bryjen | and poor spelling ;) |
| 22:42.12 | purple_cow | wow, JBdiGriz is back |
| 22:42.16 | purple_cow | JBdiGriz: how's you? |
| 22:42.16 | orange | louisiana? |
| 22:42.37 | orange | the chattahoochee river winds its way through atlanta |
| 22:42.41 | BenUrban | bryjen: CA = canada, right? ;) |
| 22:42.42 | orange | forming the glorious lake lanier |
| 22:43.05 | bryjen | JBdiGriz, do you remeber when this was all corn? |
| 22:43.14 | JeffM2501 | hmm installing VC from the network.... not so fast :( |
| 22:44.18 | JBdiGriz | bryjen: of course, It wasn't that long ago. ;) |
| 22:44.40 | JeffM2501 | no more cell phones JBdiGriz ? |
| 22:45.03 | JBdiGriz | Mobile Internet handsets, if you please. :D |
| 22:45.10 | JeffM2501 | I see |
| 22:45.16 | JeffM2501 | who makes those? |
| 22:45.32 | JeffM2501 | bryjen, they are building a supermarket near you? |
| 22:45.48 | JBdiGriz | The entire industry will in a couple of years, but we're trying to get a headstart on the rest of them. |
| 22:45.54 | JeffM2501 | fun |
| 22:46.18 | bryjen | no, we're out amoungst the fields here. |
| 22:46.28 | JeffM2501 | fields of supermarkets? |
| 22:46.32 | bryjen | ~spell amoungst |
| 22:46.35 | JBdiGriz | Your phone company will probably give you a free one, or a relatively cheap one. |
| 22:46.35 | JeffM2501 | why would you need so many |
| 22:46.41 | JeffM2501 | they will |
| 22:46.43 | JeffM2501 | I just have to go in |
| 22:46.52 | JeffM2501 | have to change to cingular |
| 22:47.00 | JeffM2501 | right now I'm on ATT |
| 22:47.08 | JeffM2501 | using a tmobile phone |
| 22:47.17 | JeffM2501 | with some registry hacks |
| 22:48.06 | JBdiGriz | Do you need anything besides phone service (messaging, application support, etc.)? |
| 22:49.10 | JeffM2501 | hell yeah |
| 22:49.19 | JeffM2501 | I never use the actual PHONE part :) |
| 22:49.36 | JBdiGriz | That's the only part I really do use. ;) |
| 22:49.37 | JeffM2501 | why would I want to TALK to people? |
| 22:49.54 | JBdiGriz | to find out where they are for lunch. |
| 22:50.22 | JBdiGriz | to find out where they are gathering for a beer. |
| 22:50.34 | JBdiGriz | to find out if there is a special on pie. |
| 22:50.55 | JeffM2501 | isn't that what IM is for? |
| 22:51.02 | JeffM2501 | and google maps |
| 22:51.23 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 22:51.36 | JeffM2501 | the only people who call my phone are people who need help with something |
| 22:51.38 | JeffM2501 | it's realy sad |
| 22:51.47 | JBdiGriz | only if your IM client is on your phone, or your phone is just a pass through network device for your machine. |
| 22:52.01 | JeffM2501 | my perfect phone woudl have room for a memory stick, and bluetooth. then I could copy files to my pants |
| 22:52.28 | JBdiGriz | It's not hard to determine JeffM2501's IM history based on a few conversations around here. |
| 22:52.32 | BenUrban | lmao |
| 22:52.52 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure cingular will give me a decent phone |
| 22:53.07 | JBdiGriz | There are several phones with bluetooth and a memory stick, but you will probably have to pay for them. |
| 22:53.15 | JeffM2501 | I'm ok with paying a bit |
| 22:53.23 | JeffM2501 | I don't need like a blackbery or anything |
| 22:53.42 | JeffM2501 | itd just be nice to get a little bit of the USB flash drive functionality outa the phone too |
| 22:54.14 | JBdiGriz | Verizon was causing some problems with that, but I think Cingular doesn't care. |
| 22:54.15 | JeffM2501 | since I cary the phone to work and back |
| 22:54.33 | JeffM2501 | right now I don't have any network services other then phone |
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| 22:54.48 | JeffM2501 | since ATT never had my current phone I don't have settings for it |
| 22:56.33 | JBdiGriz | Of course, you could just get a usb stick for a lot less than a phone which supports them. |
| 22:57.20 | JeffM2501 | then it's another thing to cary around |
| 22:57.27 | JeffM2501 | I have portable drives |
| 22:57.30 | JeffM2501 | I just forget them |
| 22:57.37 | JeffM2501 | for me it's a convience thing |
| 22:57.52 | JBdiGriz | Attach them to your ears |
| 22:58.01 | JeffM2501 | I leave the ipod in the car |
| 23:01.28 | JeffM2501 | I have a shuffle |
| 23:01.36 | JeffM2501 | don't know if you can do baterys in those :) |
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| 23:04.23 | JBdiGriz | Supposedly you can't do the batterys in the original ipods either. :) |
| 23:06.34 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: Don't ask for flags, they will be given |
| 23:06.42 | JeffM2501 | at least yours has a place where it opens :) |
| 23:06.54 | JeffM2501 | I may get a nano tho |
| 23:06.56 | JeffM2501 | they are sexy |
| 23:07.11 | JeffM2501 | but then I'd have to worry about docks and cables and stuff |
| 23:07.55 | JeffM2501 | right now I just use the iBoobie |
| 23:09.59 | JBdiGriz | It's rather a mystical place where it opens. I think the ipod pico sounds good. |
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| 23:30.17 | Tread | hmmm anyone alive in here? |
| 23:30.29 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 23:30.38 | Tread | ah satisfaction |
| 23:30.44 | JeffM2501 | I can't get no |
| 23:30.53 | Tread | I cant get know |
| 23:31.31 | Tread | Sooo Jeff whats shaking in the bz world, I've been out of the loop for months |
| 23:31.46 | Tread | Does DT still have servers? |
| 23:31.53 | JeffM2501 | yes IIRC |
| 23:32.12 | Tread | ah i c but not map servers?? |
| 23:32.18 | JeffM2501 | map servers? |
| 23:32.27 | Tread | er um maps up? |
| 23:32.43 | JeffM2501 | his servers have maps on them |
| 23:32.50 | Tread | none of the current maps are running on dt's servers? |
| 23:32.51 | JeffM2501 | IIRC he moved most of his servers to 2.1 |
| 23:33.11 | JeffM2501 | for development testing |
| 23:33.16 | Tread | oh, which maps is he hosting? |
| 23:33.20 | JeffM2501 | dono |
| 23:33.24 | Tread | oh |
| 23:33.26 | JeffM2501 | off the top of my head |
| 23:33.40 | Tread | but ur sure that some are on his server? |
| 23:34.04 | JeffM2501 | every server has to have a world file from somewhere |
| 23:34.15 | JeffM2501 | I know dtremenak runs servers with map files |
| 23:34.18 | Tread | I just looked and saw none of the formerly familiar dtremenak.bakadigital etc |
| 23:34.27 | JeffM2501 | they moved to 2.1 |
| 23:34.33 | JeffM2501 | were you looking with 2.0.x? |
| 23:34.46 | Tread | hmmmm, what is 2.1 then? |
| 23:34.51 | JeffM2501 | development version |
| 23:34.56 | JeffM2501 | will be 2.2 when done |
| 23:35.01 | Tread | ah i c |
| 23:35.24 | Tread | so i cant access 2.1 maps from 2.0.x? |
| 23:35.32 | JeffM2501 | it has nothing to do with the map |
| 23:35.43 | Tread | plz explain |
| 23:35.43 | JeffM2501 | 2.1 is incompatable with 2.0 |
| 23:35.49 | JeffM2501 | it has to do with the server |
| 23:35.51 | JeffM2501 | not the map |
| 23:35.55 | Tread | right |
| 23:36.01 | JeffM2501 | so the maps will work fine |
| 23:36.11 | Tread | so how to get access to 2.1? |
| 23:36.18 | JeffM2501 | use a 2.1 client |
| 23:36.33 | Tread | bz client, right? |
| 23:36.55 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 23:37.15 | Tread | and it isavailable on the bzflag.org site? |
| 23:37.18 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 23:37.21 | JeffM2501 | it's in development |
| 23:37.23 | JeffM2501 | there are no binarys |
| 23:37.25 | Tread | oh, where? |
| 23:37.27 | JeffM2501 | it's not done or released |
| 23:37.35 | JeffM2501 | you build it from CVS |
| 23:37.41 | Tread | ah so only develpoers can play on it? |
| 23:37.47 | JeffM2501 | anyone who can build can use it |
| 23:37.50 | JeffM2501 | noone plays on it |
| 23:37.51 | Tread | ic |
| 23:37.56 | JeffM2501 | it's in DEVELOPMENT |
| 23:37.59 | JeffM2501 | aka being worked on |
| 23:38.03 | Tread | gotcha |
| 23:38.09 | JeffM2501 | remember 1.11 ? |
| 23:38.15 | Tread | what are the new features? |
| 23:38.16 | JeffM2501 | before it became 2.0 |
| 23:38.22 | JeffM2501 | so far mostly internal stuff |
| 23:38.24 | JeffM2501 | nothign major |
| 23:38.56 | Tread | so then dt doesn't host any maps on 2.0.x? |
| 23:39.12 | JeffM2501 | I don't think he has any servers running 2.0 |
| 23:39.20 | JeffM2501 | the list server would show them if he was |
| 23:39.23 | Tread | ah that would explain it then |
| 23:39.52 | Tread | damn ive been gone so long i forget everything |
| 23:40.12 | Tread | and it was only september last year |
| 23:40.33 | Tread | heard much from biya? |
| 23:40.53 | JeffM2501 | not really |
| 23:41.36 | Tread | well ill email dt and see what he's been working on and if he's still upp for hosting |
| 23:42.21 | JeffM2501 | I think he's been just doing school |
| 23:42.27 | Tread | please tell him I said hello and that I'm trying to contact him |
| 23:42.51 | Tread | yeah it is terrible how school and work interfere w bz |
| 23:43.08 | JeffM2501 | umm yeah I guess |
| 23:43.15 | Tread | guess? |
| 23:43.46 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure he goes to school for his own reasons |
| 23:44.21 | Tread | yes i know he does, it isnt just to host bz maps |
| 23:45.00 | JeffM2501 | I don't think he runs servers just for the maps |
| 23:45.00 | Tread | k thanks for the info |
| 23:45.02 | JeffM2501 | but for the game |
| 23:45.36 | Tread | plz ask him to email me if u c him |
| 23:45.53 | Tread | later |
| 23:45.58 | JeffM2501 | send him a PM on bzbb |
| 23:46.03 | JeffM2501 | it'll send him an e-mail |
| 23:46.07 | JeffM2501 | and notify him in game |
| 23:46.16 | Tread | k thankx |
| 23:46.29 | Tread | ciao |
| 23:46.34 | *** part/#bzflag Tread (i=slothrop@a80-126-44-229.adsl.xs4all.nl) |
