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| 00:25.05 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JBdiGriz] by ChanServ |
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| 00:41.48 | *** join/#bzflag bryjen (n=bryjen@2002:45a6:86ae:0:0:0:0:1) |
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| 00:56.43 | Legolas_ | yall here? |
| 00:58.33 | blast007 | no, not all of us, but some are ;) |
| 00:58.39 | Legolas_ | k coool |
| 00:58.54 | Legolas_ | im working on a bzflag portal |
| 00:58.59 | Legolas_ | going to be: |
| 00:59.06 | Legolas_ | legolasportal.brad.bz |
| 00:59.17 | Legolas_ | test this site: |
| 00:59.29 | Legolas_ | http://legolasportal.brad.bz |
| 00:59.40 | Legolas_ | tell me if it loads |
| 01:00.12 | blast007 | no |
| 01:01.27 | blast007 | how long has it been pointed to your site? |
| 01:06.19 | blast007 | Legolas_: it can take 24-72 hours for DNS to propigate, so that subdomain won't work right away |
| 01:08.11 | learner | could just share the ip instead if it's not virtual hosted with others |
| 01:11.25 | brlcad | none of your name servers respond authoritatively (or otherwise) for brad.bz |
| 01:12.26 | blast007 | he's only had it in for about an hour |
| 01:12.27 | brlcad | and the fact that you have three separate sets of nameserver hosts is quite sketchy, usually that's misconfiguration |
| 01:12.57 | brlcad | yeah, but even still, should be able to contact them directly if he set it correct :) |
| 01:13.24 | brlcad | which doesn't seem to be the case |
| 01:14.52 | learner | hmm.. freenode servers process a lot of data... |
| 01:15.14 | learner | at 60 character line lenths, that's about 1000 to 1600 lines per leaf server |
| 01:15.25 | Legolas_ | ok try this |
| 01:15.34 | learner | per second |
| 01:16.34 | Legolas_ | brad.bzflag.bz/legolasportal |
| 01:16.42 | brad2901 | .. |
| 01:16.48 | Legolas_ | hi brad |
| 01:16.52 | brad2901 | hi :) |
| 01:16.52 | brlcad | er |
| 01:17.10 | brad2901 | legolas, talk in pm/on aim |
| 01:17.21 | brad2901 | this isn't really related to bzflag :) |
| 01:17.22 | Legolas_ | ok |
| 01:17.38 | brad2901 | brlcad: typo :) |
| 01:17.45 | brlcad | k :) |
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| 01:39.52 | learner | oh my, looks like sf.net finished |
| 01:39.58 | learner | svn services now on-line |
| 01:46.34 | learner | CIA even gets a special mention |
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| 01:47.30 | learner | woah |
| 01:48.45 | brad2901 | lol |
| 01:49.15 | brad2901 | does that mean webchat.bzflag.bz is banned totally now? |
| 01:49.23 | learner | currently, yes |
| 01:49.27 | brad2901 | :S |
| 01:49.30 | BearPerson | hmm |
| 01:49.37 | BearPerson | looks like a bad idea |
| 01:49.57 | learner | i'm not sure it was intentional |
| 01:50.00 | learner | that was a bit fast |
| 01:50.04 | BearPerson | probably one of them had to try out the keylogger or the DCC stuff |
| 01:50.17 | BearPerson | maybe wasn't him but someone else |
| 01:50.36 | brad2901 | but they can't get into non-bzflag channels |
| 01:50.45 | BearPerson | hmm |
| 01:50.51 | learner | they can privmsg anyone |
| 01:51.07 | brad2901 | ah |
| 01:51.21 | learner | still, should verify |
| 01:51.35 | learner | someone care to convert that to an ip, i'll look it up |
| 01:52.23 | menotume | convert what ? |
| 01:52.28 | brad2901 | 143.88.130.103 |
| 01:52.34 | menotume | whadda miss? anything good ? :) |
| 01:52.35 | brad2901 | pc-143088130103.sail.uwf.edu |
| 01:52.41 | menotume | ahh |
| 01:53.28 | orchid | I think theyre scripting the klines now for the DCC exploiters |
| 01:53.52 | menotume | oh fun |
| 01:53.59 | learner | yeah, looks like it |
| 01:54.04 | BearPerson | not quite scripting |
| 01:54.21 | learner | i mean, that ip isn't a bzflag player at least |
| 01:54.21 | BearPerson | but not talking to the people first when they become too many |
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| 01:54.51 | BearPerson | should I put a request through to have it unbanned again? |
| 01:54.52 | learner | announcing how to cause the problem just made it worse too |
| 01:55.05 | learner | nah, I'd leave it banned for a few days |
| 01:55.10 | BearPerson | hm, okay |
| 01:55.21 | learner | maybe by monday or later next week |
| 01:55.26 | learner | there's no major heartbreak there |
| 01:55.31 | BearPerson | okay |
| 01:55.44 | BearPerson | I think those klines are timed anyway |
| 01:56.11 | BearPerson | I don't think I can tell how long, but it should work for you |
| 01:56.26 | brlcad | that would be the smart thing to do (temporary, some time limit) |
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| 01:58.15 | learner | zee's still works |
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| 02:14.33 | BadAnimal | Hello |
| 02:14.38 | BadAnimal | Anyone alive here? |
| 02:14.46 | menotume | don't think so |
| 02:15.31 | BadAnimal | Anyone have any luck with setting up Wingman extreme in bzflag? |
| 02:16.08 | menotume | i never tried a joystick |
| 02:16.11 | learner | probably |
| 02:16.30 | BadAnimal | Using WinXP home.... |
| 02:16.40 | BadAnimal | BZ finds it fine. moves fine. |
| 02:16.43 | BadAnimal | no buttons. |
| 02:17.47 | menotume | have you tried options / input settings / change key mapping ? |
| 02:17.57 | BadAnimal | Yup. |
| 02:18.08 | BadAnimal | press button, nothing happens |
| 02:18.15 | menotume | ooh |
| 02:19.16 | BadAnimal | Not that a joystick would help.... |
| 02:19.17 | menotume | it would sem that our js 'expert' is not here, maybe try back later |
| 02:19.37 | BadAnimal | I'll still get kicked by the likes of some of you here. |
| 02:19.57 | BadAnimal | So who is the JS 'expert'? |
| 02:20.18 | menotume | i don't remember - i know someone has coded it and used it :) |
| 02:27.16 | *** part/#bzflag BadAnimal (i=noone@65-73-159-130.nas2.tbr.ga.frontiernet.net) |
| 02:27.51 | learner | dtr did the windows joystick |
| 02:28.08 | learner | on linux, it's whatever sdl supports |
| 02:28.19 | menotume | that's what i thought, didn't want to volunteer him though |
| 02:28.26 | SportChick | learner: you missed some fun on decks last night |
| 02:28.38 | learner | mebbe |
| 02:28.51 | SportChick | ohhhh puh! |
| 02:29.14 | learner | wasn't doing well yesterday, my tank was broken |
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| 02:29.44 | SportChick | learner: you're supposed to be one of the tank repairmen...that doens't inspire confidence :p |
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| 02:33.50 | bryjen | hurt something jumping? if you did it more often... ;) |
| 02:34.19 | learner | learner tanks can't jump |
| 02:34.30 | learner | unless it's to traverse terrain |
| 02:34.36 | learner | or fly around in space |
| 02:34.46 | learner | s/terrain/buildings/ |
| 02:35.35 | orchid | ~bzg2001 |
| 02:35.52 | orchid | SportChick: meet us there after supper |
| 02:36.13 | menotume | she's doing a GU match now |
| 02:36.18 | SportChick | orchid: I'm about to play and official gu |
| 02:36.25 | orchid | ahh |
| 02:36.33 | orchid | thats no fun :) |
| 02:42.00 | a_temp_dist | since anon access to CVS is not working, can I use my login at the sourceforge site to login to CVS? |
| 02:44.32 | menotume | hehe |
| 02:45.13 | menotume | i just remembered who it was ! :P |
| 02:48.21 | menotume | ~bzg2001 |
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| 03:37.22 | brlcad | DTRemenak: hehe |
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| 10:00.28 | penticlex | I have been liiking for a cad program that works on linux but after compiling it I cant find the command to run the app |
| 10:00.40 | penticlex | liiking is looking |
| 10:02.39 | penticlex | I didnt catch any errors run by but I wasnt paying atention the whole time |
| 10:03.15 | penticlex | I tried cad brlcad brl-cad BRL-CAD and BRLCAD |
| 10:04.27 | penticlex | and in the /usr/brlcad/bin dir I dont see anything that sticks out to be the front end of the app |
| 10:04.53 | penticlex | I think I am just missing somthing simple |
| 10:05.16 | penticlex | I ran the benchmark and it smoked everything |
| 10:05.35 | penticlex | is there any one here? |
| 10:07.31 | penticlex | is brlcad just a backent for games? |
| 10:18.04 | penticlex | nope I double checked on the readme files |
| 10:24.38 | penticlex | ohhh I found it |
| 10:24.42 | penticlex | nvmnd |
| 10:25.32 | penticlex | mged |
| 10:25.47 | penticlex | and t |
| 10:25.50 | penticlex | rt |
| 10:41.51 | purple_cow | penticlex: you might want to ask in #brlcad. this channel is about bzflag |
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| 11:49.00 | Birdie | some one has experience with irFanView? |
| 11:50.25 | Birdie | if yes, is it possible to edit more than one picture at the same time? i want a lot of pics resised to 75% of the original size, but if i have to do that all the time for one pic i'm busy for a long time, a good program like that should be able to do them all at the same time? |
| 11:51.00 | BearPerson | ImageMagick |
| 11:51.15 | BearPerson | unix/linux tool |
| 11:51.48 | Birdie | and for windows:)? |
| 11:51.49 | BearPerson | for file in *.jpg ;do mogrify --scale '75%' "$file" ;done #iirc |
| 11:53.03 | BearPerson | http://www.imagemagick.org/script/binary-releases.php#windows :P |
| 11:53.17 | BearPerson | but no idea how you can nicely script that in windows |
| 11:53.33 | BearPerson | mogrify --scale '75%' *.jpg might or might not work |
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| 13:11.29 | foxx | hello @ all |
| 13:11.34 | foxx | is here someone german? |
| 13:12.23 | foxx | i have a little question: how i can disallow players of my bzflag server to be rogue? |
| 13:12.46 | foxx | in my config is this: -mp {0,10,0,10,0,5} |
| 13:13.30 | foxx | in the man-page i found that: -mp {count|[rogue],[red],[green],[blue],[purple],[observer]} |
| 13:13.34 | foxx | whats wrong? |
| 13:26.56 | blast007 | take off the { and } |
| 13:34.49 | foxx | blast007: okay, i test |
| 13:37.28 | foxx | blast007: thx, it works! |
| 13:37.37 | blast007 | :) |
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| 14:24.21 | YOURDEAD | hi all |
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| 16:24.45 | brlcad | heh, penticlex -- wrong channel, though I appreciate the interest |
| 16:25.29 | brlcad | unless you intend to model bzflag worlds, which is possible |
| 16:26.57 | CBG | Pimpi: ping? |
| 16:32.29 | Pimpi | CBG: pong |
| 16:32.42 | CBG | Pimpi: you run dub.bzflag.org servers? |
| 16:32.49 | Pimpi | i do |
| 16:33.08 | CBG | That's not run on the same server as the bzflag.org site, though, right? |
| 16:33.23 | CBG | Do you just have the subdomain pointed to your IP, or? |
| 16:33.26 | Pimpi | no, it isn't |
| 16:33.45 | Pimpi | host entry, yes |
| 16:34.07 | CBG | Okay, and these subdomains aren't given out willy-nilly...? |
| 16:34.40 | Pimpi | if you wan't one you'll need to asd TimRiker |
| 16:34.46 | Pimpi | ask |
| 16:34.57 | CBG | Ok Pimpi, thanks :) |
| 16:34.58 | gsnedders | Pimpi, what language was that report in? |
| 16:35.20 | Pimpi | not sure, i guess dutch though |
| 16:36.11 | gsnedders | Dutch or Scandinavian i think |
| 16:36.17 | Pimpi | could be aso danish or probably afrikaans |
| 16:36.31 | gsnedders | both related to dutch, though |
| 16:37.03 | Pimpi | afikaans yes, Scandinavian is quite different from dutch though |
| 16:37.10 | gsnedders | yeah, i know |
| 16:37.18 | gsnedders | I was in Finland last summer |
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| 16:37.27 | gsnedders | quite a unique language |
| 16:37.56 | Pimpi | oooooooooooooooooooh, finish is quite different from any norther european language |
| 16:38.08 | gsnedders | couples of Os |
| 16:38.12 | gsnedders | *couple |
| 16:38.33 | gsnedders | Pimpi, but well, that report definitely wasn't finish |
| 16:38.51 | Pimpi | yeah |
| 16:39.32 | Pimpi | however, Birdie would understand dutch, i think |
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| 17:02.34 | Birdie | heh if you want me to translate something, just ask:) |
| 17:05.34 | gsnedders | Birdie, check your email |
| 17:06.40 | Birdie | lol yes indeed it was dutch |
| 17:07.26 | Birdie | i replied |
| 17:08.10 | gsnedders | ah |
| 17:08.33 | Birdie | not that it was such usefull report:) |
| 17:08.58 | gsnedders | well, actually, it hasn't reached google's web servers :P |
| 17:09.22 | Birdie | eh pimpi ping |
| 17:09.26 | Birdie | i got a strange message back |
| 17:12.08 | _Manu_ | now all is ok Birdie |
| 17:12.26 | Birdie | oh ya i almoust forgot you, did you saw why my message didnt went through? |
| 17:12.45 | Birdie | i think its cause my provider changed name? |
| 17:12.51 | _Manu_ | yes: Post by non-member to a members-only list |
| 17:12.53 | _Manu_ | :) |
| 17:13.02 | _Manu_ | I have accepted it |
| 17:20.52 | _Manu_ | you almost forgot me? and who are you? ;) |
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| 17:58.36 | menotume | meacan: ping |
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| 18:06.27 | gsnedders | ToughShooter, because i don't speak dutch? |
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| 18:19.12 | *** part/#bzflag a-delusionbz (n=a-delusi@pool-68-162-165-9.pitt.east.verizon.net) |
| 18:50.31 | *** part/#bzflag penticlex (n=jeremi@ip68-226-117-18.ph.ph.cox.net) |
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| 19:09.23 | silverfox | Is there a way to get a list of servers and their playercounts from the list server? |
| 19:09.24 | silverfox | http://my.bzflag.org/db/?action=LIST |
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| 19:09.41 | Legoguy | hmm rejecting access for anon cvs? :/ |
| 19:09.53 | Legoguy | silly sf.net |
| 19:09.56 | silverfox | Does the client query each and every server on the list before sorting? |
| 19:09.58 | blast007 | it's probably down :) |
| 19:10.15 | blast007 | silverfox: it doesn't query any server |
| 19:10.19 | menotume | yes, cvs is down for me |
| 19:10.30 | blast007 | it asks the list server, and sorts as lines of data come in |
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| 19:10.50 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v SportChick] by ChanServ |
| 19:10.50 | menotume | silverfox: i gets the list from the listserver, and sorts as it retrieves it |
| 19:11.15 | menotume | silverfox: sometimes the listserver is a bit slow in sending the list |
| 19:12.15 | silverfox | so, each line contains info about the server (including player count) ? |
| 19:12.20 | blast007 | yeah |
| 19:12.31 | silverfox | Is that in the hash after the server ver? ie 027a000a00000028000000000000140014000000000000000000c8 |
| 19:13.01 | blast007 | that's hex values, not a hash ;) |
| 19:13.16 | silverfox | pardon, hex values. |
| 19:13.24 | blast007 | but yes |
| 19:13.36 | blast007 | that contains the game style settings, and player counts |
| 19:13.59 | silverfox | Is there documentation some where that I can read to figure out how to extract the info I'm interested in? |
| 19:14.40 | blast007 | in the source code where it generates the ADD command for the list server |
| 19:14.46 | blast007 | let me see if I can find it |
| 19:14.47 | brlcad | doc/ dir networking protocol |
| 19:15.05 | trepan | menotume: found the trampler, i think :) |
| 19:15.10 | menotume | yay |
| 19:15.50 | trepan | kinda nasty to get one after jumping from a 400K patch to a 700K patch |
| 19:16.05 | menotume | eww |
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| 19:18.57 | trepan | menotume: and the reason it had to be overlord ... _noShadows |
| 19:18.57 | menotume | brlcad, are you here? |
| 19:19.03 | menotume | ahhh |
| 19:20.46 | blast007 | is dev CVS down? :/ |
| 19:20.50 | menotume | yes |
| 19:21.01 | blast007 | nice |
| 19:21.10 | blast007 | well, glad it's not only me ;) |
| 19:22.19 | ToughShooter | blast007: You should try annon CVS, I already think it is more down than up |
| 19:22.35 | blast007 | ;) |
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| 20:26.49 | silverfox | any luck blast007? |
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| 20:37.38 | CBG | Uh oh... ;) |
| 20:38.31 | silverfox | uh oh? |
| 20:40.18 | spldart | what was that url to search out irc channels? |
| 20:41.58 | spldart | A good one preferably :) |
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| 21:07.58 | brlcad | menotume: i am now |
| 21:09.13 | menotume | okies |
| 21:09.16 | menotume | one sec |
| 21:10.14 | menotume | we have at least one player who can't use global login because his IP when he gets his token is different from his IP when he checks his token |
| 21:10.37 | brlcad | craxy rodent fella |
| 21:11.25 | menotume | yep:) |
| 21:11.35 | menotume | i had him hit a wepgae i made for him here |
| 21:11.37 | brlcad | tries adding him to a local group and adding the perm? |
| 21:11.50 | menotume | auth fails because the IPs don't match |
| 21:11.59 | menotume | ahh, no |
| 21:12.04 | menotume | i have a btter fix i think |
| 21:12.05 | brlcad | that's what i mean |
| 21:12.13 | brlcad | could just exempt him |
| 21:12.46 | brlcad | what's the idea? |
| 21:12.48 | menotume | the list server looks at REMOTE_ADDR |
| 21:12.50 | silverfox | menotume, has he tried changing the port on his listserver config? Often that will circumvent a proxy, overcoming that issue. |
| 21:12.58 | menotume | which shows his proxy (wrong ip) |
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| 21:13.08 | menotume | yes, we did that (port 81) |
| 21:13.27 | CBG | ~x en fr girlfriend |
| 21:13.28 | menotume | but, there are 2 other HTTP vars in his case ... |
| 21:13.39 | menotume | HTTP_CLIENT_IP and HTTP_X_FORWARDED_FOR |
| 21:13.46 | menotume | both show what bzflag client sends |
| 21:13.47 | CBG | ~x fr en girlfriend |
| 21:13.52 | menotume | so, i was thinking ... |
| 21:13.53 | CBG | ~x fr en petite amie |
| 21:13.54 | brlcad | ah then problem solved |
| 21:13.57 | silverfox | menotume, aren't those more easily spoofed? |
| 21:14.06 | menotume | could be |
| 21:14.18 | silverfox | not sure if that's a legitimate concern though. |
| 21:14.18 | menotume | that's part of my question |
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| 21:14.31 | brlcad | can't really trust remote_addr either, but it's trusted enough |
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| 21:14.57 | silverfox | well, the reported IP has to be owned by the client, otherwise the response wouldn't reach it, right? |
| 21:15.02 | brlcad | so if remote addr doesn't match, see if http_client_ip is set and if it matches |
| 21:15.08 | CBG | ~x en fr boyfriend |
| 21:15.11 | menotume | well, sort of |
| 21:15.16 | brlcad | CBG: cut it out |
| 21:15.25 | CBG | brlcad: :( sorry |
| 21:15.36 | menotume | during the getoken process, only one is stored |
| 21:16.09 | silverfox | brlcad, that seems like a better way |
| 21:16.20 | menotume | come to think of it, i dunno if bz client will send those other two headers :( |
| 21:16.34 | menotume | no, that won't work |
| 21:16.44 | menotume | bzflag client would have to be changed |
| 21:17.19 | menotume | it could only work like this: |
| 21:17.35 | menotume | during gettoken, if HTTP_CLIENT_IP is valued, use it |
| 21:17.46 | menotume | otherwise, use REMOTE_ADDR |
| 21:18.03 | brlcad | sounds reasoned |
| 21:18.30 | silverfox | thats menotume's MO. To butter you up with a little bit of reasoning... |
| 21:18.33 | silverfox | then POW! |
| 21:18.44 | learner | be good to read up on what exactly the spec says about those other two |
| 21:18.56 | brlcad | heh, pow :) |
| 21:18.58 | menotume | yes, i was hoping someone here would know about them |
| 21:19.07 | menotume | dunno is they are even standard |
| 21:19.13 | menotume | or, passed by bzflag client |
| 21:19.19 | brlcad | google to the rescue |
| 21:19.23 | menotume | i can check the latter |
| 21:20.04 | brlcad | slightly relavent: http://forums.devshed.com/php-development-5/difference-among-http-client-ip-http-x-forwarded-for-and-51618.html |
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| 21:20.27 | menotume | heh |
| 21:20.46 | menotume | i think that's what i said :) |
| 21:21.54 | menotume | ok, is it a security issue ? |
| 21:22.09 | menotume | if not, i'll add debug to the listserver the next time the rodent is on |
| 21:22.17 | menotume | and see of those vars are set |
| 21:23.11 | brlcad | http://us2.php.net/manual/en/function.getenv.php has a good code chunk |
| 21:23.39 | brlcad | little more robust, validates the ip |
| 21:23.42 | brlcad | minimally |
| 21:24.39 | brlcad | not to mention numerous variations |
| 21:24.49 | menotume | ya |
| 21:25.44 | menotume | i don't have mych faith in the first one - doesn't even know what a multi-dim array is :) |
| 21:26.04 | menotume | oooops, my bad |
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| 21:26.28 | menotume | dunno if I want to maintain a list of known proxies though |
| 21:26.57 | brlcad | not saying that one specifically, just mix/match the best features of the various examples :) |
| 21:27.04 | menotume | right gotya |
| 21:27.17 | menotume | my question is: is it a security problem ? |
| 21:27.31 | brlcad | like the ones that make sure it's not a local/private net ip |
| 21:27.45 | menotume | yes |
| 21:27.50 | menotume | that's good |
| 21:28.13 | spldart | :( |
| 21:28.14 | menotume | that would cuse more problems then it would fix :) |
| 21:28.25 | brlcad | as for security concern, it is a tiny bit of additional risk |
| 21:28.41 | brlcad | but looks like it's necessary if we want to support proxys |
| 21:28.45 | menotume | well, give it some thought |
| 21:29.00 | menotume | next time i see the rodent, i'll put trace code in listserver and see what we get |
| 21:29.07 | menotume | we may not even have the option |
| 21:29.16 | brlcad | i would pull them from _SERVER, not using the old-style |
| 21:29.24 | menotume | i dunno what libcurl will do |
| 21:29.42 | menotume | right, i'll dump all of them to see |
| 21:30.02 | brlcad | if possible, it would be nice to log both ips on the list server |
| 21:30.08 | menotume | yep |
| 21:30.23 | brlcad | even if it meant stashing one is as a comment or part of the username or a line by itself |
| 21:30.24 | menotume | could do that, just add a field |
| 21:30.33 | menotume | nah, easy with sql |
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| 22:37.27 | spldart | any bzgirls cook? I'm baking some chicken pieces with onion, garlic, parika, wine, etc and want it to take a couple hours to cook since I got done prepping earlier than I expected :) |
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| 22:49.18 | spldart | In my experience you have a better chance of finding a women who can cook than a guy... But then again I've been known to hack together a yummy recipe |
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