| 00:00.03 | llugh | brlcad, no it was ALL previous versions of bzflag that crashed my hardware. With bzflag-2.1pre cvs it's not crashed once! Very good. |
| 00:00.10 | helpheh | question |
| 00:00.11 | JeffM2501 | I don't even think there are any hard goals for 2.2.0 |
| 00:00.34 | helpheh | http://www.bzflag.org/moinimg/lag/sample.png |
| 00:00.37 | helpheh | can i have that program? |
| 00:01.05 | JeffM2501 | ask chestal |
| 00:01.20 | JeffM2501 | when he's awake |
| 00:04.22 | JeffM2501 | honestly I don't see 2.2 going anytime before fall of 2006, based on past experience |
| 00:06.21 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: experience is for chumps |
| 00:06.38 | JBdiGriz | purple_cow: and old guys |
| 00:06.54 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 00:07.06 | JeffM2501 | time to test out the camera phone |
| 00:07.08 | brlcad | hmm, he left -- there's a download link in the wiki |
| 00:11.44 | JeffM2501 | heh, pluging in my monitor, adds 4 drives to my computer |
| 00:14.53 | JeffM2501 | mehh, not the best images, but it's from a phone |
| 00:14.54 | JeffM2501 | http://beta.bzflag.bz/images/desk/ |
| 00:16.09 | romfis | hehe, your PCs ? |
| 00:16.27 | romfis | mac and win, see i ;) |
| 00:17.47 | JeffM2501 | the big one will dual boot XP and linux |
| 00:18.02 | JeffM2501 | the windows screen you see is for another PC off to the side |
| 00:18.17 | JeffM2501 | 3 PCs and one Mac |
| 00:18.19 | JeffM2501 | that's all |
| 00:18.56 | romfis | oho |
| 00:19.03 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, so you gonna prove me wrong? :) |
| 00:19.05 | romfis | good :-) |
| 00:24.19 | purple_cow | wrong about what? |
| 00:25.45 | JBdiGriz | obviously experience counts for something, wrong about the release date. :D |
| 00:25.58 | purple_cow | oh, that |
| 00:26.09 | purple_cow | no, i don't care enough |
| 00:26.31 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 00:26.47 | JBdiGriz | ~lart purple_cow |
| 00:26.54 | JeffM2501 | 0.6 will cound as the first2006 release, 2.2.0 will be the last |
| 00:27.03 | JeffM2501 | 2 a year has been historical |
| 00:27.16 | JeffM2501 | tho I think it's goten up to about 8 months between instead of 6 |
| 00:27.40 | purple_cow | though i *am* playing again, every so often |
| 00:27.42 | purple_cow | so who knows |
| 00:27.52 | purple_cow | not like i don't have enough projects already :P |
| 00:28.11 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 00:28.18 | JeffM2501 | jetstream :) |
| 00:30.47 | purple_cow | hah, right |
| 00:30.54 | purple_cow | that's been dead for so long |
| 00:30.58 | purple_cow | hell, it used *picogui* |
| 00:31.26 | JeffM2501 | and....... |
| 00:31.51 | purple_cow | and Boost.Python |
| 00:31.52 | purple_cow | *shudder* |
| 00:32.04 | purple_cow | though i guess now that i have 2G of RAM, i could compile it without swapping |
| 00:32.13 | brlcad | that's a lot of keyboards there jeff |
| 00:33.02 | brlcad | purple_cow: have you really been playing, I figured the "purplecow" i've seen wasn't you |
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| 00:34.30 | purple_cow | "purplecow" isn't me |
| 00:34.33 | purple_cow | "purple_cow" is |
| 00:34.47 | brlcad | plus he sucked |
| 00:34.55 | brlcad | even if it was non-jumping |
| 00:35.30 | purple_cow | mostly i've been hanging out at the lasermania map |
| 00:35.34 | purple_cow | because it's full of lasers |
| 00:35.42 | purple_cow | and wishing i had binoculars for my binoculars |
| 00:36.23 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, only 3 |
| 00:36.29 | JeffM2501 | I'm still geting synergy setup |
| 00:36.38 | brlcad | no kvm? |
| 00:36.52 | JeffM2501 | 2 of the computers are one one KVM on the 19 |
| 00:37.03 | JeffM2501 | no KVM will do the res of the 24 and live |
| 00:37.07 | JeffM2501 | so it gets 2 keyboards |
| 00:37.26 | brlcad | actually, there is at least one, we have them here |
| 00:37.29 | brlcad | but they're about 700 a pop |
| 00:38.10 | JeffM2501 | ouch |
| 00:38.13 | purple_cow | your tax money at work |
| 00:38.15 | brlcad | flaky as hell for talking protocol correctly |
| 00:38.18 | JeffM2501 | well the 24 has 5 freaking inputs |
| 00:38.39 | JeffM2501 | I've used synergy with the mac and windows |
| 00:38.43 | JeffM2501 | and it's worked great |
| 00:38.49 | JeffM2501 | just need to get it to run a startup |
| 00:38.55 | JeffM2501 | and disable when I'm playing games |
| 00:38.57 | brlcad | yeah, one guy ditches his kvm after a couple years for synergy |
| 00:39.27 | brlcad | it was always causing windows to crash, or not registering usb correctly to the mac |
| 00:39.48 | JeffM2501 | I had no problem with it working with the current versons |
| 00:39.59 | brlcad | the kvm, not synergy |
| 00:40.00 | JeffM2501 | just geting it to auto start on the mac is not fun |
| 00:40.02 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 00:40.12 | brlcad | he switched because of those problems |
| 00:40.25 | JeffM2501 | I get ghosting on my KVMs over 1280x1024 |
| 00:40.36 | JeffM2501 | and I'll be damned if I'm running the 24 in that res |
| 00:41.46 | JeffM2501 | I'd like to find a new place for my case tho, it's a bit "big" |
| 00:42.10 | JeffM2501 | but I do find it funny that the mac mini would actualy fit in one of it's fan bays :) |
| 00:42.31 | purple_cow | haha |
| 00:42.41 | brlcad | purple_cow: indeed, I voiced against actually -- but too many needed. had they actually worked perfectly, it wouldn't have been so bad -- saved a lot of space. |
| 00:44.41 | brlcad | hm, and I say that while basking in triple display radiation that makes most jealous.. can't complain. |
| 00:45.09 | purple_cow | heh, i was just about to say... |
| 00:45.14 | purple_cow | i remember justin telling us about your setup |
| 00:45.35 | brlcad | the upgrade will be nice |
| 00:46.00 | JeffM2501 | mmmmm 3 displays |
| 00:46.13 | JeffM2501 | it has been pondered many a time |
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| 00:47.03 | brlcad | dual 30"'s soon, pondering dual 30's and a 23 to balance center |
| 00:47.20 | brlcad | that's a massive amount of desk real estate though |
| 00:47.44 | JeffM2501 | I'm starting to hate dualies |
| 00:47.49 | JeffM2501 | don't like the line in the middle |
| 00:48.07 | JeffM2501 | I find I keep turning to one main one, and sitting askew |
| 00:48.17 | brlcad | yep, after having been on triple for so long, it'll be really hard to return to the line |
| 00:48.35 | JeffM2501 | the 24 and 2 19's would do me fine :) |
| 00:48.44 | JeffM2501 | and maybe cost less then one of your 30s :) |
| 00:48.48 | brlcad | even if the center is a cheapie, it works well to have 3 |
| 00:48.53 | brlcad | hehe |
| 00:49.07 | JeffM2501 | what are they 2.5k now? |
| 00:49.25 | brlcad | pretty much |
| 00:49.34 | JeffM2501 | damn |
| 00:49.47 | JeffM2501 | 800 for the 24, and 300 for each 19 |
| 00:49.51 | brlcad | triple 23's are the next best setup, not nearly as bad |
| 00:51.08 | brlcad | or even triple 24's, slap on dell displays |
| 00:52.15 | brlcad | purple_cow: you too could have your own, you know where to send the resume :) |
| 00:52.24 | purple_cow | brlcad: sorry, i'm already spoken for |
| 00:52.44 | brlcad | when you get tired of that emulation stuff and what to work on something real .. ;) |
| 00:52.49 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 00:52.58 | purple_cow | i actually already got a raise, and i haven't even started working |
| 00:53.10 | brlcad | heh, sweet |
| 00:53.55 | purple_cow | a letter to the effect of "your semi-annual bonus will be 10% instead of 5%, do you still want the job?" |
| 00:53.55 | purple_cow | :) |
| 00:54.49 | brlcad | to which you reply, "aww, hell no! will you at least drop my 401k?" |
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| 01:02.47 | TD-Linux | what causes bz_getPlayerRecord to return NULL? |
| 01:03.03 | JeffM_ | you passing in an invalid ID |
| 01:03.48 | TD-Linux | hmm... I am checking for it with an if statement: if(data) { |
| 01:04.01 | JeffM_ | good |
| 01:04.10 | JeffM_ | it can and will return NULL |
| 01:04.13 | TD-Linux | the code inside the if statement never executes |
| 01:04.26 | TD-Linux | if I remove the condition, the code works fine |
| 01:04.26 | JeffM_ | so your never geting back a player record? |
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| 01:04.39 | TD-Linux | actually, I am getting a player record... |
| 01:04.50 | JeffM_ | then how can you test it for NULL? |
| 01:04.59 | JeffM_ | what is your "data" ? |
| 01:05.29 | TD-Linux | *data = bz_GetPlayerByIndex(i) |
| 01:05.36 | TD-Linux | err |
| 01:05.43 | TD-Linux | bz_PlayerRecord *data = bz_GetPlayerByIndex(i) |
| 01:06.12 | JeffM_ | and what is data? |
| 01:06.16 | JeffM_ | when it's done? |
| 01:07.04 | TD-Linux | do you want a snippet on pastebin? |
| 01:07.16 | JeffM_ | no |
| 01:07.30 | TD-Linux | ok |
| 01:07.30 | JeffM_ | I just want you tell me what is in data after it calls the function |
| 01:07.49 | TD-Linux | I have to go now, sorry |
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| 03:10.22 | lan56 | I fixed my cvs sandbox, turned out I just needed to merge from v2_0branch to HEAD. I thought I had head till I looked at the properties tab in windows explorer |
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| 03:53.26 | brlcad | For those of you with accounts/servers on .bz, I've tracked down the cause of the open files problem and there's a fix coming soon. |
| 03:54.03 | orange | is it a bzfs fix, or an OS fix? |
| 03:54.42 | brlcad | it's an apache issue |
| 03:55.23 | brlcad | not related to bzfs fortunately ;) |
| 03:55.55 | orange | ah |
| 03:57.26 | brlcad | there was an apache upgrade "roughly" around the same time, wasn't close enough to make the initial connection when hunting for the problem but in hindsight the timings do add up |
| 03:58.01 | orange | you on the 1.3 or 2.0 tree? |
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| 03:59.45 | brlcad | 2.0 |
| 04:01.46 | brlcad | basically, something broke with respect to custom log filtering -- going to perform an upgrade of tools soon, then an OS upgrade to 5.4 after |
| 04:02.05 | brlcad | timeline isn't urgent, though, so if you see any issues, lemme know |
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| 04:54.05 | SilverFox | Can you cascade -conf files? ie, specify -conf 1.cfg, and in 1.cfg it has -conf 2.cfg, etc? |
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| 05:16.08 | trepan | http://trepan.bzflag.bz/noshow/newbox.jpg , rgb+spec & parallax |
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| 09:11.11 | LePoulpe303 | anyone knows if bzflag python related projectsare abandonned ? |
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| 09:19.15 | purple_cow | what projects are those? |
| 09:22.36 | LePoulpe303 | purple_cow: in CVS there is a pybzflag folder |
| 09:22.45 | LePoulpe303 | or something lke that |
| 09:23.24 | purple_cow | old and dead |
| 09:23.28 | LePoulpe303 | :D |
| 09:30.37 | purple_cow | there's still some neat things in http://svn.navi.cx/misc/trunk/pybzengine/ (the engine separated out from the bzflag-specific stuff) |
| 09:33.28 | LePoulpe303 | purple_cow: i would like to make things for bzflag project ; but i'm not good enough in c++ ( and i don't want to learn ;) ) |
| 09:33.48 | purple_cow | pybzflag stuff is dead |
| 09:33.56 | purple_cow | might help teppic with his blender stuff, that's all python |
| 09:34.08 | LePoulpe303 | i was wondering writing either a layer or recreate bzadmin in python |
| 09:35.13 | LePoulpe303 | dunno blender , but why not |
| 09:35.15 | purple_cow | better to spend your time on something that hasn't been done |
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| 09:52.34 | LePoulpe303 | purple_cow: i've already made my own project but it hasn't encounter the success i hoped ;) |
| 09:54.32 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03davidtrowbridge 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/bzflag.cxx: |
| 09:54.32 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: OMG, is that a bot? |
| 09:54.32 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: Add a double-secret __window BZDB variable which allows the config file to |
| 09:54.32 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: override if we want to run in a window. This lets me use the nice .desktop file |
| 09:54.32 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: I made ages ago to launch it, since xinerama (or SDL, or twinview, I dunno) |
| 09:54.32 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: makes bzflag sad. |
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| 18:09.39 | ToughShooter | Hmm, I want to assign one of my buttons with a double shot with adjustable delay between the two shots. Is this possible in BZFlag right now? |
| 18:10.27 | gsnedders | if you hack the code |
| 18:10.49 | ToughShooter | I tried to programm an own mouse driver for that task but the cursor stopped moving then and the bullets are shot too close after the first one |
| 18:11.37 | ToughShooter | Tupone: Any chance I can see such a feature built into BZFlag in the future? |
| 18:11.56 | JeffM2501 | usualy that kind of stuff is handled by an OS specific input macro systm |
| 18:12.04 | JeffM2501 | like the one that comes with a nostromo |
| 18:12.09 | Tupone | ToughShooter: I did a shoot/run/shoot . Some one said is a cheat :) |
| 18:12.41 | Tupone | actually was a run/shoot/stop :) |
| 18:13.00 | ToughShooter | Tupone: Put it into BZFlag 2.1 and then it won't be cheating ;) |
| 18:13.11 | Tupone | so I don't think it is acceptable |
| 18:13.27 | JeffM2501 | just use an input macro system |
| 18:13.30 | ToughShooter | I don't want to put shooting on my mouse wheel |
| 18:14.02 | JeffM2501 | like quick keys or something |
| 18:14.08 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: Well, that costs $ I fear and my time doesn't cost me money ;) |
| 18:14.29 | Tupone | those system are very near to ME :/ |
| 18:14.42 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, then write your own :) |
| 18:14.55 | JeffM2501 | but I don't think it belongs in the game itself |
| 18:15.20 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: Well, I do have a mouse driver now but the cursor doesn't move with that one.. |
| 18:15.33 | JeffM2501 | then fix it |
| 18:16.00 | ToughShooter | Heh, I have no clue how but I could probably implement it right into the playing client |
| 18:16.20 | JeffM2501 | the only way to do it "right" would be to add a user macro system to the game, and that would take a bit of doing. And I think there are MANY other things that should get time before that |
| 18:30.22 | ToughShooter | So should I just use the scroll wheel for shooting? |
| 18:31.13 | Tupone | ToughShooter: how many button do you have on your mouse? |
| 18:32.34 | ToughShooter | Tupone: I count 11 |
| 18:32.58 | ToughShooter | Where one is on/off ;) |
| 18:32.58 | Tupone | and why you want to use the wheel? |
| 18:33.27 | ToughShooter | I want to shoot a few bullets really quick so no one can dodge when he is in near position |
| 18:34.09 | Tupone | not a fast enough finger? |
| 18:34.50 | ToughShooter | I know from the gu league people use the scroll wheel for that task but I don't find that not very nice as solution 'cause I want to use my mouse for something else |
| 18:35.14 | ToughShooter | Tupone: You have to press two keys at once for the delay I want.. |
| 18:35.54 | Tupone | you can program the key to shoot on press and on release :) |
| 18:36.15 | Tupone | but then you have only an even count of shot |
| 18:37.20 | ToughShooter | That would be no problem (enough buttons left) but I'm not a good enough programmer for that :/ |
| 18:38.21 | Tupone | could be an autofire is better :/ |
| 18:39.11 | ToughShooter | Tools out there to do two or three clicks when a button is pushed are too fast...I need a little delay because when all bullets have the same postion it would be nonsense |
| 18:41.34 | Tupone | yep, calibrated delay on shot while pushing fire button |
| 18:42.07 | Tupone | that could be on the 2.1, but it is not on my top priority |
| 18:42.51 | ToughShooter | I may try to provide a patch when I have time to code |
| 18:43.39 | Tupone | I don't say patch welcome. I can't manage now |
| 18:44.25 | Tupone | http://dev.gentoo.org/~tester/gmap.html :/ |
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| 19:02.51 | brlcad | ToughShooter: should be possible.. bind a custom set of events in your config |
| 19:03.22 | brlcad | to have a single press fire, do something else (even just set a var) for a lil while, then fire again |
| 19:03.56 | brlcad | might make the client slightly jumpy, but should work |
| 19:04.28 | brlcad | ideally, it'd be something like fire, sleep 0.1, fire .. might have to add a sleep command and make key processing async |
| 19:05.20 | ToughShooter | brlcad: yay :) |
| 19:10.32 | amcnabb | brlcad, did you see my email a few days ago on SceneRenderer and its methods? |
| 19:10.44 | amcnabb | I want to go in the right direction, whatever that is. |
| 19:15.28 | brlcad | i did |
| 19:15.47 | amcnabb | Any thoughts? |
| 19:16.59 | brlcad | not too fond of the background hacking like that |
| 19:17.15 | brlcad | as "resizing" a scene rendere doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me |
| 19:18.44 | amcnabb | You could say resizeBackground(). |
| 19:19.59 | amcnabb | I guess I'm just a little hesitant to redo every class in src/bzflag, and I'm not sure what the options are. |
| 19:25.00 | amcnabb | What would you prefer to see? |
| 19:28.51 | brlcad | hm |
| 19:29.22 | brlcad | probably just keep the getBackground() which would return null |
| 19:29.34 | brlcad | then make sure it's non-null before calling resize, etc |
| 19:29.46 | brlcad | that follows what is done server-side more closely |
| 19:35.03 | brlcad | the idea is to conceive of not just headless vs. headed but just types of rendering clients, e.g. an opengl rendering client, a 2d-top/down rendering client, an ascii rendering client (ala DnD games not ala aalib), or a null client (i.e. headless) |
| 19:35.29 | brlcad | there the concept of a background sometimes makes sense sometimes doesn't |
| 19:37.11 | amcnabb | ok |
| 19:37.24 | amcnabb | As long as it won't be considered too ugly to check for NULL. |
| 19:38.07 | brlcad | it's a start, there is a better solution but it is admittedly a lot more work |
| 19:38.13 | amcnabb | Yeah, I agree. |
| 19:38.20 | amcnabb | How about stuff like getSunColor, etc.? |
| 19:38.20 | brlcad | and this is actually a step in that direction still, fortunately |
| 19:40.36 | brlcad | it's not a matter of how often they are called for starters.. even if called once, it's potentially important ;) |
| 19:41.45 | brlcad | the GLfloats and GLfloat pointers could all be made into just floats or doubles |
| 19:42.21 | brlcad | i'd leave them alone as much as possible |
| 19:42.30 | amcnabb | Ok. |
| 19:42.59 | amcnabb | How about getViewFrustum, getSceneDatabase, and getVisualExtents, which seem to be in the same boat as getBackground? |
| 19:43.35 | amcnabb | For the case of getViewFrustum, we might have to change it to return a pointer instead of a reference if we want to do it the same way as getBackground. |
| 19:44.23 | brlcad | i wouldn't recommend doing that, a frustum is a pretty generic concept |
| 19:44.29 | brlcad | are there gl calls in it? |
| 19:44.36 | amcnabb | Let me check. |
| 19:44.42 | brlcad | if there's not, it doesn't matter |
| 19:45.06 | brlcad | even if you might not need the data for a headless client, it doesn't mean that it should just get ripped out |
| 19:45.42 | brlcad | consider whether any of the "types of rendering clients" might need it and whether it can be kept generic |
| 19:46.06 | amcnabb | So we'll make a ViewFrustum and a GLViewFrustum. |
| 19:47.05 | amcnabb | That shouldn't be too hard to do. |
| 19:47.06 | brlcad | no no |
| 19:47.18 | amcnabb | ViewFrustum is all gl calls. |
| 19:47.39 | brlcad | ahh |
| 19:47.41 | amcnabb | Its methods are executeProjection(), executeView(), etc. |
| 19:48.16 | brlcad | then yeah, perhaps |
| 19:48.37 | amcnabb | It seems to presuppose a stack-style API for rendering. |
| 19:58.23 | brlcad | it might make more sense to make it a pointer, but would need a fair bit of testing |
| 20:01.45 | amcnabb | Now, when it comes to HUDRenderer, RadarRenderer, and WeatherRenderer (which are all GL-specific), is it better to extend them or to have them NULL in headless mode? |
| 20:04.18 | brlcad | probably null |
| 20:04.23 | brlcad | for starters |
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| 20:20.48 | amcnabb | For one liners, do you prefer wrapping with an "if (viewFrustum)" or putting "viewFrustum &&" at the beginning of the line? |
| 20:21.54 | bz32 | chestal is still afk! |
| 20:29.29 | brlcad | yes, chestal is still all f'n knowing. |
| 20:30.21 | brlcad | amcnabb: if |
| 20:32.57 | amcnabb | ok |
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| 23:44.58 | JeffM2501 | put it in a time capsule untill the next centry, in a blackout use it for electicity! |
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| 23:51.38 | crko | hi! |
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| 23:52.05 | crko | 1vs1 any1? :D |
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