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02:24.07SilverFoxwhat does _noSmallPackets do
02:24.09SilverFox?
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03:16.51bz40Curious how does BZFlag send stat information?
03:17.30bz40ibot lol
03:17.32ibot[lol] stands for Laughs Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead.
03:18.32bz40~queryserver
03:18.53bz40ibot Big Cheese
03:19.04bz40ibot person
03:19.05ibotperson is probably like a bot, but squishier, or a meat popscicle
03:19.20bz40ibot person1
03:19.26bz40ibot human
03:19.28ibot[human] the mind of an angel in the body of an animal
03:19.42bz40ibot nathan
03:19.47bz40ibot bush
03:19.49ibotbush is probably chick plumbing or the current president and potential dictator, or the guy that made stupidity fashionable.
03:20.26bz40ibot george bush
03:20.27ibotgeorge bush is probably eehhh..ehhhh...dunno, or a short-dicked, draft dodging, weed smoking, rubber bellied hillbilly
03:21.05bz40ibot dad
03:21.07ibotsomebody said dad was mom
03:21.27bz40ibot bzflag
03:21.29ibotextra, extra, read all about it, bzflag is a 3D internet multiplayer multiplatform (linux, irix, win32, etc) opensource opengl Battlezone capture the flag game of the same name that you must try at http://BZFlag.org/ or a continual development project with periodic gaming interuptions. See also TimRiker
03:21.59brlcadbz40: cut it out
03:22.05bz40k sry
03:22.10bz40it's just funny
03:22.17bz40Curious how does BZFlag send stat information?
03:22.42bz40last one
03:22.43brlcadread the network protocol doc in the doc dir, has the details
03:22.46bz40ibot TimRiker
03:22.47ibottimriker is, like, my owner http://rikers.org/ mailto:Tim@Rikers.org mailto:TimR@Debian.org maintainer of BZFlag, member of a ton of open source projects http://www.advogato.com/person/timriker/ http://sourceforge.net/users/timriker/ the guy who GPL'd SCO's ABI files, giving every Linux user the right to use them ;-), or a very cool guy.
03:23.00bz40k
03:23.02bz40thank you
03:23.20brlcadguide dir iirc
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03:42.04SilverFoxwhat does _noSmallPackets do?
03:44.09SilverFox~bzfquery silvercat.bzflag.org:5155
03:55.19trepanSilverFox: best to leave it at 0
04:37.19SilverFoxyeah?  What's it do?
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06:29.32SilverFoxfine.  Didn't really want to know anyhow.
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10:35.08brlcadway too early
10:52.42CBGgoood Morning!!! brlcad ;)
11:15.11Tuponeeek
11:15.25Tuponehi brlcad
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12:22.21orchidciao Tupone
12:22.35Tuponeciao orchid :(
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14:16.16CBGHmm, what is different between 'texture' and 'addtexture' in a 'material' ? :/
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16:14.12bhtooefrok... question here...
16:14.33bhtooefrI'm getting below one frame per second in the menus... but 70 in game
16:14.35bhtooefrdefault settings
16:14.39bhtooefrRadeon Xpress 200M
16:14.45bhtooefrCeleron M 360J
16:14.48bhtooefr768MB RAM
16:14.51bhtooefrXP Pro SP2
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16:15.31bhtooefrI remembered the menu layout from when I used to play, so I could get in game and see that
16:15.45bhtooefrhello
16:15.58|zongo|bhtooefr, be patient :)
16:16.16bhtooefrheh
16:16.32|zongo|i get answers only rarely here, people are busy
16:16.43bhtooefrok
16:17.36bhtooefrdo you by chance know if it's possible to disable the shading in the menus? I suspect that that's somehow what's causing my vid card to go nuts...
16:18.05|zongo|hum dunno, lemme have a quick look
16:18.58|zongo|hmmm not that i know
16:19.04bhtooefr:(
16:19.14JeffM2501what card?
16:19.37bhtooefrRadeon Xpress 200M
16:19.53JeffM2501that card should be able to handle anything we do
16:19.54JeffM2501what OS?
16:19.58bhtooefrXP Pro SP2
16:20.06JeffM2501current drivers?
16:20.15bhtooefrthe newest that IBM had when i updated
16:20.25JeffM2501and what is the menu doing?
16:20.28bhtooefrwhich was when I got the laptop a couple weeks ago
16:20.35bhtooefrbasically, just running at about 0.5 FPS
16:20.44bhtooefrlike, it takes two seconds to do something
16:20.44bhtooefralso
16:20.47bhtooefrwhen I get killed
16:20.56JeffM2501when it starts up, what does it say in the chat box for the openGL stuff?
16:21.05bhtooefrlet me get that again
16:22.25bhtooefrRADEON XPRESS 200M Series SW TCL x86/SSE2
16:22.46JeffM2501huh... then it is using your driver
16:22.58JeffM2501your card should not have a problem doing a stencel buffer
16:23.04JeffM2501have you tried runing in a window?
16:23.09bhtooefrnope, let me try
16:24.28bhtooefrseems to be even worse
16:24.39JeffM2501wierd
16:24.44JeffM2501I dono then
16:24.56bhtooefrwhen I did manage to get into a game
16:25.03bhtooefrwhen I got killed
16:25.10bhtooefrthe game immediately slowed to 0.5 FPS
16:25.13bhtooefrand then
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16:25.27bhtooefrit lagged horribly until I respawned
16:25.45bhtooefrCPU's a Celeron M 360J, it's 1.4GHz, that should also be plenty
16:25.55JeffM2501yeah
16:26.04JeffM2501I'm betting it's just a driver bug or something
16:26.07slon02this is bad
16:26.11bhtooefrI am running 2.0.4, I downloaded it half an hour ago or so
16:26.56JeffM2501'that version has been good for many people
16:27.28bhtooefrhmm, I'm looking in the OpenGL settings on my card...
16:27.44bhtooefrright now it's set to "balanced" (between performance and quality)
16:27.55JeffM2501try playing with them
16:28.35slon02ahhhhhhhh!
16:29.28bhtooefrfixed it
16:29.38bhtooefrby turning the quality in game from low to high
16:29.39bhtooefryes
16:29.41bhtooefrhigh made it faster
16:29.55JeffM2501ahh yeah, some cards don't do low well
16:30.02JeffM2501they are optimised for newer tech
16:30.10JeffM2501try "experimental"
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16:30.21JeffM2501slon02, wtf?
16:30.37blast007bhtooefr: there's even an 'experimental' quality level with some additional graphical features
16:30.37slon02thats a message i recieved
16:30.38slon02today
16:30.40JeffM2501umm ok
16:30.50JeffM2501people say crap all the time
16:30.54slon02it makes no sense to me
16:31.04JeffM2501nor to us
16:31.08slon02k
16:31.19JeffM2501ask the person who sent it to you
16:31.26slon02ok
16:32.49CBGPlease will somebody look at my zones for me - http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/46927 ?
16:32.50CBGThey are all above one another, in a tower that has one-way-meshes for floors so you can jump up the tower, but not go back down... Each zone is just above a flat mesh face (and are all 15 units above each other) but all flags somehow end up on the ground... I haven't used zones for a long time, can someone shed some light on my problem?
16:33.44bhtooefrwell, I played with the settings, and now I've got acceptable performance
16:33.49bhtooefrthanks, guys
16:33.53JeffM2501good
16:34.06bhtooefrwell, I gotta go
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16:51.03JeffM2501sup
16:51.32Mr_Moleznuttin much
16:56.13JeffM2501I all ready did that
16:56.19JeffM2501it's in the API
16:56.21JeffM2501in CVS
16:56.34JeffM2501I did it the day it was mentioned
16:56.40Mr_Molezoh lol
16:57.07Mr_MolezSo it works how I want it ? Or is it just ready for someone to make a plugin ?
16:57.14JeffM2501plugin
16:57.38JeffM2501the people who asked for it refused to make it as a plugin
16:57.50JeffM2501they said it "had" to be a mod in the code
16:57.57JeffM2501me.. code now?
16:58.03JeffM2501I can barely sit up
16:58.08JeffM2501I am infected
16:58.20Mr_Moleznot bird flu I hope :P
16:58.25JeffM2501no
16:58.53JeffM2501bacterialogical infections in eye, ear, and throat
16:58.53Mr_Molezeep
16:59.47JeffM2501didn't the 2 guys who were doing that finish it?
16:59.53JeffM2501it was like a month ago or more IIRC
16:59.58Mr_Moleznope
17:00.23Mr_Molezhard coding it turned out to be harder than making the plugin :P
17:00.44JeffM2501that's why I said it would be best as API
17:01.11JeffM2501I have to go put drops in my eye now
17:01.16Mr_Molezok cu later
17:01.54Mr_Molezone quick question though.. what files were modified when you make the code to allow plugins
17:03.57JeffM2501oh it dosn't take that long
17:04.00JeffM2501I just hate doing it
17:04.06JeffM2501I can't stand to touch my eye
17:04.17JeffM2501what OS?
17:05.11Mr_Molezuhhhuhh
17:05.42JeffM2501oh you mean when I added the API for the record and match stuff
17:05.49Mr_Molezyup
17:06.02JeffM2501probably commands.cxx/.h and bzfsapi.cxx/.h
17:06.04blast007there's include/bzfsAPI.h and src/bzfs/bzfsAPI.cxx
17:06.05JeffM2501maybe more
17:06.09Mr_Moleztankies
17:06.21JeffM2501probably bzfs.h and cxx too
17:06.25blast007yeah
17:06.29JeffM2501since I shuffled stuff around
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17:39.14CBGnobody can help with my zone problem? :(
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18:00.37|zongo|i have read the paper http://ww2.cs.fsu.edu/~banavar/accuracy.pdf and i have a question
18:01.26|zongo|are the devs considering synchronised clocks for DeadReckoning in some bzflag version to come?
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19:59.00Gnurduxwhen should i expect people to be using 2.1?
19:59.30CBGWhen it is stable? :P
19:59.52Gnurduxand when will that be?
19:59.59Gnurduxin the next 6 months?  sooner? later?
20:00.18CBGHow long is a piece of string - I guess...
20:00.54blast007Gnurdux: why the rush?  :)
20:01.09Gnurduxim not rushing
20:01.17blast007sorta
20:01.21Gnurduxim curious when ill have to worry about switching servers over etc
20:01.33blast007you won't have to worry about 2.1
20:01.40Gnurduxwhy not?
20:01.41blast007that's a dev version
20:01.47blast007it will be officially released as 2.2
20:02.06Gnurduxah
20:02.06blast007just like 1.9 was the dev version for 1.10
20:02.12Gnurduxso when will 2.2 be out?
20:02.24trepanwhen it's done
20:02.34Gnurduxi know THAT
20:02.39Gnurduxwill it be in the next 6 months
20:02.45blast007there is no real estimate  :)
20:02.49Gnurduxah
20:02.57Gnurduxnot in the next 2 months tho right.
20:03.13blast007hehe
20:03.13trepanit may never be done, and never be released   ;)
20:03.29Gnurduxwill there be a 2.0.6?
20:03.44trepanfit the same logic to that one
20:04.12Gnurduxare you people planning on making more releases in 2.0.x before 2.2.x?
20:04.56trepanthere are no definite plans here, you'll have to try another channel
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20:05.16blast007hehe
20:13.53learner2.2 probably won't be till winter at best
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20:21.56ToughShooterlots of stuff broken in 2.1 bug fixing is not as funny as adding new features ;)
20:23.41ToughShooter..but complicated features like UTF-32 support isn't going to be added, either :/
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20:27.14Gnurduxwhen is globalDBitems populated?
20:29.11Gnurduxblast007, do you know?
20:29.21blast007nope
20:29.52Gnurduxi tried to discover using gre
20:29.54Gnurduxp
20:30.20Gnurduxwait
20:30.25Gnurduxits in global.cxx i htink
20:31.07Gnurduxok i see
20:32.36a-delusiontankwidth 2.8 --- tank length 6.0... etc...   how does tankRadius relate to these?  is tankRadius used only in shot-collision detection, or does it have some other use?
20:33.46Gnurduxa-delusion, what type of object is BZDB and where is it defined/created
20:34.32Gnurduxwaik
20:34.34Gnurduxt
20:34.37Gnurduxi found that too
20:34.41a-delusionya got me...
20:36.59Gnurduxhmm
20:37.16Gnurduxhey, would you guys want me to make a patch that only let you /poll set valid variables?
20:37.36Gnurduxcause theres a bug with that
20:41.19learneras long as it's not yalv...sure
20:41.43Gnurduxyalv?
20:41.56learneryet another list of variables/values
20:42.12learneri.e. make it part of bzdb, not some hack on /poll set
20:42.30Gnurduxwell is a poll set specific bug learner
20:42.37learnerotherwise everytime a new variable gets created it has to be added to multiple places
20:42.44Gnurduxi know
20:42.50Gnurduxpoll set adds new vars
20:42.52learnerit may be a poll specific bug, doesn't mean the fix has to be
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20:43.11Gnurduxbut, poll set is the only thing that doesnt check whethert hte variable exists before setting it
20:43.20Gnurduxexcept for -setforced
20:43.21learneri mean as long as there's not a list of "valid" variables, it should be fine
20:43.34Gnurduxthere is BZDB->isSet(variable)
20:43.46Gnurduxwhich is bool telling whether or not it is valid
20:44.10learnernot exactly .. just tells you whether it's already been set
20:44.20learnerpotentially could have a valid variable that was unset
20:44.23GnurduxisSet is what /set uses
20:44.42learnerdoesn't mean it's a valid assertion
20:44.47Gnurduxwait no
20:46.15learnerthat's all details for you to work out when/if you make the patch.. there's lots of ways to implement it that don't involve making a list of valid variables inside the poll command
20:46.37learnerjust saying to avoid the list way otherwise the patch won't be of much value
20:46.44Gnurduxyep it does use isSet
20:46.59Gnurduxi wont make a list
20:47.01Gnurduxill use isSet
20:47.08GnurduxisSet is what other code uses
20:47.51Gnurduxlearner, what do you mean?
20:48.06Gnurduxoh, your just saying avoid at all costs making another list?
20:48.56learnerwell, i did say that, but I also said that relying on isSet() isn't necessarily a valid assertion too, even if other code uses it that way
20:49.13Gnurduxwell im going to try it
20:49.21learneri don't know, you'd have to read the bzdb comments to see if that was the intent -- i don't recall that being the case
20:49.25Gnurduxits better to have a potential bug than a known bug
20:49.38learneror you could fix the isSet problem at the same time
20:49.40Gnurduxwell /set and -set both use it that way
20:49.51Gnurduxbut im not a particularly good programme
20:49.52Gnurduxr
20:57.48Gnurduxlearner, a question
20:57.55Gnurduxi am about to make the patch
20:58.15Gnurduxaare you there?
20:58.17Gnurduxlearner, ?
20:58.26Gnurdux* [learner] idle 00:08:40, signon: Sat Mar 25 14:13:16
21:00.36learner~ask
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21:09.43Gnurduxlearner, here is my issue: should I make it give an error when the /pol set is typed, or should i make it wait until it actually sets?
21:09.59Gnurduxactually, i could take this opportunity to fix another poll set hting as well
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21:11.51learnerthe poll should not even begin if there's no chance of it succeeding
21:11.57Gnurduxok
21:12.18Gnurduxcause currently, set polls that dont set anything are blocked when its actually doing the setting
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21:58.40Gnurduxhow does one make a patch?
22:00.30Gnurduxwhats the argument to bzfs to check global logins?
22:03.43Gnurduxcan 2 people come to gnurdux.homelinux.net:5157
22:12.02Gnurduxok brad2901 and Mr_Molez come back
22:15.24Gnurduxok brad2901 and Mr_Molez come back again sorry
22:18.01Gnurduxafter all that it seems the bug has already been fixed
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22:24.05Gnurduxbrad2901, should i try the /reset * one?
22:24.11brad2901whatever
22:32.51Gnurduxdoes anyone know how StateDatabases get constructed?
22:33.06Gnurduxprivate:
22:33.06Gnurdux<PROTECTED>
22:33.28GnurduxSingleton's
22:33.29Gnurduxaha
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22:58.38Gnurduxwait, my hack WAS needed after all
22:58.44Gnurduxoh well it only took a few mins
22:59.55Mr_MolezGnurdux: don't suppose u wanna make me a plugin do you :p
23:00.09Gnurduxa plugin that does Mr_Molez ?
23:00.28GnurduxMr_Molez, what for/
23:00.36Mr_Molezbinds /countdown to /record :)
23:00.43Mr_Molezso all matches will be recorded :P
23:00.44Gnurduxwhats /countdown
23:00.48Gnurduxand /record
23:01.31Mr_Molez<PROTECTED>
23:01.42Gnurduxoh
23:01.47Gnurduxyou cant easily do that in a plugin
23:02.07Mr_Molezoh you can :O ;)
23:05.35Mr_Molezwanna do it for me ;) ?
23:05.39Gnurduxnot really
23:05.44Gnurduxcant you do it yourself?
23:06.09Gnurduxtheres a SlashCommandEvent i think
23:06.53Mr_Molez:-S
23:11.45Mr_Molezill pay you $5 ;)
23:11.52Gnurduxno htanks
23:12.02Gnurduxok
23:12.05Gnurduxwait
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