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| 04:32.47 | a-delusion2 | tankwidth 2.8 --- tank length 6.0... etc... how does tankRadius relate to these? is tankRadius used only in shot-collision detection, or does it have some other use? |
| 04:39.05 | brlcad | shot-collision |
| 04:39.18 | a-delusion2 | only? |
| 04:39.25 | brlcad | tank width/length aren't used for hit detection |
| 04:39.41 | a-delusion2 | thanjyou brlcad |
| 04:41.02 | brlcad | those are meters btw too |
| 04:43.42 | a-delusion2 | I always called them units, not meters or feet. |
| 04:46.06 | brlcad | they are just "units" |
| 04:46.15 | brlcad | but they work out to be meters if you do the math |
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| 05:16.55 | itrebal | i'm trying to install the bzflag server, but im not having much luck: what is the name of it on an install? (i used apt-get install bzflag-server to get it) |
| 05:20.16 | brlcad | bzfs |
| 05:21.02 | itrebal | thanks |
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| 05:39.05 | itrebal | does only 5154 need to be open for the server? |
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| 06:00.55 | blast007 | itrebal: 5154 is the default, and it's both TCP and UDP ports |
| 06:01.27 | itrebal | ok, thanks |
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| 07:55.54 | stahlsau_ | so is the hitbox of the tanks in reality a circle and no box? (referring to the "tankRadius"-discussion above) |
| 07:57.26 | stahlsau_ | ^^better to say a cylinder, no circle, of course ;) |
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| 13:29.56 | Gnurdux | http://www.centos.org/modules/news/article.php?storyid=127 |
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| 13:47.06 | Gnurdux | i just discovered a new bug? |
| 13:47.10 | Gnurdux | in bzflag |
| 13:47.32 | Gnurdux | in Rabbit Hunt mode, if a rabbit's shot exists after the rabbit dies, and kills someone, its a TK |
| 13:49.22 | Gnurdux | anyone there? |
| 13:53.12 | Chestal | Gnurdux: hmm, there is code in the server to handle that the correct way |
| 13:53.47 | Gnurdux | lemme see wehat server version it was that had that problem a minute ago |
| 13:54.16 | Gnurdux | 2.0.5.20060025 |
| 13:56.40 | Chestal | looking at the code I see a potential problem, when player respawns before old shot dies. If that is possible |
| 13:56.43 | Gnurdux | Chestal, here is what happens |
| 13:56.48 | Gnurdux | ahhh |
| 13:56.52 | Gnurdux | i bet thats whats happening |
| 13:56.56 | Gnurdux | or hwat happened |
| 13:56.57 | Gnurdux | once |
| 13:57.08 | Gnurdux | see, the rabbit sent of an SW at me |
| 13:57.15 | Gnurdux | and he was skewered |
| 13:57.20 | Gnurdux | and the sw turned orange |
| 13:57.21 | Chestal | there is a wasRabbit flag which is set when rabbit dies and this is checked to decide whether it's a teamkill. it's reset, when the ex-rabbit spawns again |
| 13:57.26 | Gnurdux | and it said i was TK'ed |
| 13:58.01 | Chestal | does the server have quick respawns? |
| 13:58.01 | Gnurdux | explodeTime is set to 0 on that server |
| 13:58.04 | Chestal | ah |
| 13:58.05 | Gnurdux | and i think the rabbit was a bort |
| 13:58.06 | Gnurdux | bot |
| 13:58.12 | Gnurdux | Trop-Bot |
| 13:58.28 | Chestal | no quick fix then, I guess |
| 13:58.41 | Gnurdux | not for 2.0.x servers |
| 13:59.02 | Gnurdux | but 2.1 should change the way stuff is handled |
| 13:59.39 | Gnurdux | information like team and stuff should be stored in the shot |
| 13:59.39 | Gnurdux | also, wasGenocide should be stored in the shot |
| 13:59.39 | Chestal | well, server can remember team of shooter even so |
| 13:59.39 | Chestal | no need to change protocol for that |
| 13:59.52 | Gnurdux | cause once i had geno, and i got shot and my bullet hit someone else |
| 13:59.53 | Chestal | I'm not sure if it does _any_ shot tracking at the moment, though |
| 14:00.12 | Gnurdux | whatever |
| 14:00.28 | Chestal | put it onto the tracker :-) |
| 14:00.36 | Gnurdux | well i have a hacky solution |
| 14:00.54 | Gnurdux | make the rabbit wait at least reloadTime to respawn |
| 14:01.07 | trepan | but first check the code to see what is available |
| 14:01.11 | Gnurdux | actually there really should be a rule anyway that explodeTime >= reloadTime |
| 14:01.38 | Gnurdux | just cause it sorta doesnt make sense that you can shoot earlier by killing yourself |
| 14:03.01 | Chestal | hmm, I vaguely remember that some other part of the code assumes that the shots of your last incarnation have gone when you respawn |
| 14:03.23 | Gnurdux | i can believe that |
| 14:15.49 | Gnurdux | Chestal, how do you make a patch? |
| 14:16.01 | Gnurdux | i just made the one i was talkign about yesterday |
| 14:16.14 | Gnurdux | fixing /poll set |
| 14:17.23 | Chestal | the patch is just a diff to CVS, 'cvs diff -u' (unified format) |
| 14:17.44 | Gnurdux | hmm |
| 14:17.51 | Gnurdux | cause i am on an old CVS |
| 14:18.19 | Chestal | doesn't really matter unless the code in question in CVS has changed a lot since |
| 14:18.38 | Gnurdux | not the code in question |
| 14:18.38 | Chestal | unified format contains some context, so if the line numbers have changed a bit, it will still work |
| 14:18.42 | Gnurdux | i dont think its changed at all |
| 14:18.50 | Gnurdux | oh, does it compare to the one I got? |
| 14:18.54 | Chestal | but why don't jo do a 'cvs up'? |
| 14:18.58 | Chestal | yes |
| 14:19.05 | Chestal | it compares to your local checkout |
| 14:19.12 | Gnurdux | ah |
| 14:19.13 | Gnurdux | cool |
| 14:19.34 | Chestal | backen then when I was doing patches, I made a cvs up first |
| 14:19.44 | Chestal | too check, whether the code still works, it's a good idea anyway |
| 14:19.58 | Gnurdux | the bug is there in newer servers |
| 14:20.02 | Chestal | no sense to make a patch for an ooold version :-) |
| 14:20.03 | Gnurdux | so someone else hasnt fixed it |
| 14:20.13 | Gnurdux | the bug is that /poll set newVar true creates newvar! |
| 14:20.47 | Gnurdux | so what do i do with the output? |
| 14:21.17 | Chestal | I'd still recommend doing a cvs update first |
| 14:21.47 | Chestal | redirect output of diff to a file, then attach it to the tracker post |
| 14:22.59 | Gnurdux | ok |
| 14:23.53 | Gnurdux | where is the tracker post? |
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| 14:25.36 | Gnurdux | Chestal, where is the tracker post? |
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| 14:27.20 | Gnurdux | Chestal, ?? |
| 14:27.33 | Chestal | somewhere on sourceforge |
| 14:31.08 | Gnurdux | ah i found it |
| 14:31.24 | Gnurdux | can you check my patch |
| 14:31.36 | Gnurdux | see if it works |
| 14:32.33 | Gnurdux | Chestal, can you an one other person go to gnurdux.homelinux.net:5157 |
| 14:32.50 | Chestal | sorry, busy in the office |
| 14:32.56 | Gnurdux | well any 2 people |
| 14:33.06 | Gnurdux | can any 2 peopel go to gnurdux.homelinux.net:5157 |
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| 14:40.26 | Gnurdux | conanhome and gsnedders can you come to a test server for my patch? |
| 14:40.30 | Gnurdux | gnurdux.homelinux.net:5157 |
| 14:41.47 | conanhome | Gnurdux: yeah, no problem |
| 14:41.56 | Gnurdux | i need at least 2 people |
| 14:42.04 | Gnurdux | cause 3 is hte minimum for a poll |
| 14:42.13 | Gnurdux | i chjecked for people with low idle times |
| 14:42.24 | Gnurdux | conanhome, wait until i find a second person |
| 14:42.37 | conanhome | Gnurdux: ok, tell when you are set |
| 14:42.39 | Gnurdux | |zongo|, can you come too? |
| 14:42.43 | |zongo| | sure |
| 14:42.49 | |zongo| | what version of bzf? |
| 14:42.51 | Gnurdux | ok good conanhome zongo go to gnurdux.homelinux.net:5157 |
| 14:42.58 | Gnurdux | a CVS from like 3 weeks ago |
| 14:43.00 | Gnurdux | with my patch |
| 14:43.09 | |zongo| | do i need it ? |
| 14:43.18 | Gnurdux | no |
| 14:43.23 | Gnurdux | its same protocol |
| 14:43.23 | |zongo| | fine then, i'll be there |
| 14:43.30 | Gnurdux | its a server patch |zongo| |
| 14:43.35 | |zongo| | yup ok |
| 14:43.36 | Gnurdux | fixing a server bug |
| 14:43.44 | Gnurdux | conanhome, ok now |
| 14:44.10 | Gnurdux | |zongo|, conanhome come in the next couple mins so that our time isnt wasted |
| 14:44.19 | Gnurdux | conanhome, hes there |
| 14:44.21 | Gnurdux | come on |
| 14:45.58 | Gnurdux | conanhome, ?? |
| 14:48.54 | Gnurdux | gsnedders, you here? |
| 14:49.15 | gsnedders | Gnurdux: yes, but busy |
| 14:49.20 | Gnurdux | ruskie, you here? |
| 14:49.28 | Gnurdux | is anyone here who can spare 2 minutes? |
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| 14:49.37 | Gnurdux | ah |
| 14:49.44 | Gnurdux | conanhom1, your connection failed? |
| 14:49.50 | Gnurdux | can you connect to the server now? |
| 14:49.53 | Gnurdux | gnurdux.homelinux.net:5157 |
| 14:50.00 | conanhom1 | Gnurdux: no, my computer crashed! |
| 14:50.03 | Gnurdux | :( |
| 14:50.11 | Gnurdux | thats why /me uses linux |
| 14:50.18 | conanhom1 | Gnurdux: just when trying to switch from X to console |
| 14:50.23 | conanhom1 | Gnurdux: i use linux |
| 14:50.27 | Gnurdux | oh |
| 14:50.36 | conanhom1 | Gnurdux: but... i don't know, maybe this nvidia driver |
| 14:50.39 | Gnurdux | did you udse ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 14:50.47 | conanhom1 | Gnurdux: yep |
| 14:50.54 | Gnurdux | the comerical nvidia driver is supposed to be nice |
| 14:50.58 | conanhom1 | Gnurdux: sometimes work great, sometimes it crash |
| 14:51.04 | Gnurdux | xscreensaver was crashing my integrated card for a while |
| 14:51.07 | Gnurdux | i had to disable it |
| 14:51.19 | conanhom1 | Gnurdux: i was inside bzflag |
| 14:51.25 | Gnurdux | ah |
| 14:51.35 | Gnurdux | ok |
| 14:51.45 | Gnurdux | sometimes when bz freezes i switch to console and kill it |
| 14:51.46 | conanhom1 | Gnurdux: but have done before and worked, it's a matter of luck |
| 14:51.55 | Gnurdux | anyway conanhom1 can you go to gnurdux.homelinux.net:5157 |
| 14:52.11 | conanhom1 | Gnurdux: ok, going now |
| 14:53.28 | Gnurdux | it segfaulted |
| 14:53.30 | Gnurdux | the server |
| 14:53.42 | conanhom1 | oh |
| 14:53.52 | Gnurdux | try reconnecting |
| 14:53.57 | Gnurdux | i dunno what could have happened |
| 14:55.26 | trepan | you haven't checked args.size() before using args[0], might be one reason |
| 14:56.48 | |zongo| | Gnurdux, if u need more help just ping me |
| 14:56.52 | Gnurdux | ok |
| 14:57.02 | conanhom1 | Gnurdux: i'll be on dub |
| 14:57.11 | Gnurdux | ok |
| 14:57.13 | Gnurdux | umm |
| 14:57.22 | Gnurdux | there must be a way to allow 1 person polls |
| 14:57.27 | Gnurdux | does anyone know it? |
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| 15:07.15 | Gnurdux | wait i need to revise my patch |
| 15:07.20 | Gnurdux | is there a way to do that? |
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| 15:20.41 | Gnurdux | can someone try my patch on a current CVS? |
| 15:22.14 | trepan | if you moved it into commands.cxx, you wouldn't need help testing it |
| 15:24.00 | Gnurdux | moved what? |
| 15:24.06 | Gnurdux | oh true |
| 15:24.31 | Gnurdux | but there was already some checking code where i put it trepan |
| 15:24.36 | Gnurdux | checking to see how many args |
| 15:24.53 | trepan | doesn't mean it's the right place |
| 15:25.08 | trepan | don't even start the poll if you already know it's invalid |
| 15:25.16 | Gnurdux | thats harder tho |
| 15:25.24 | trepan | heh |
| 15:25.30 | Gnurdux | and for other invalid set polls, its in that place |
| 15:25.39 | Gnurdux | so whoever put it there must have known what he was doing |
| 15:27.00 | trepan | not necessarily true, that poll code is a mess in there anyways, 130 lines in the middle of main() |
| 15:27.20 | Gnurdux | well i just fixed an annoying bug |
| 15:27.22 | trepan | oops, more like 200 |
| 15:28.14 | trepan | and caused server crashes? good tradeoff? |
| 15:28.31 | Gnurdux | how did i cause server crashes |
| 15:29.00 | Gnurdux | trepan, ? |
| 15:29.02 | trepan | "it segfaulted" |
| 15:29.21 | trepan | followed by: "you haven't checked args.size() before using args[0], might be one reason" |
| 15:29.41 | trepan | any of this seem familiar? |
| 15:30.33 | Gnurdux | oh wait |
| 15:30.39 | Gnurdux | yes i did |
| 15:30.51 | Gnurdux | and the segfault was when the poll started |
| 15:30.56 | Gnurdux | not when it passed |
| 15:31.02 | Gnurdux | i typed /poll and it segfaulted |
| 15:31.04 | Gnurdux | not my code |
| 15:31.16 | Gnurdux | i think it was my plugin maybe |
| 15:31.37 | Gnurdux | if (args.size() < 2) { |
| 15:31.37 | Gnurdux | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:31.37 | Gnurdux | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:31.37 | Gnurdux | } |
| 15:31.37 | Gnurdux | else if (!(BZDB.isSet(args[0]) && (permission == StateDatabase::ReadWrite || permission == StateDatabase::Locked))) { |
| 15:31.39 | Gnurdux | see |
| 15:31.46 | Gnurdux | i used the existing check for it trepan |
| 15:32.11 | Gnurdux | that check was there |
| 15:32.15 | Gnurdux | i added mine as an else if |
| 15:32.33 | trepan | the patch you posted on SF uses args[0] before the size is checked |
| 15:32.45 | trepan | the first added line |
| 15:32.53 | Gnurdux | WHICH IS AN ELSE IF |
| 15:33.07 | Gnurdux | and the if its else if'ing is if (args.size() < 2) |
| 15:33.18 | trepan | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:33.22 | trepan | + StateDatabase::Permission permission = BZDB.getPermission(args[0]); |
| 15:33.23 | guu | trepan: I'm sorry, I was listening to this tiny violin. |
| 15:33.23 | Gnurdux | actually patch it to the code and see what happens |
| 15:33.24 | Gnurdux | oh |
| 15:33.28 | Gnurdux | whoops |
| 15:33.31 | Gnurdux | lol |
| 15:33.34 | trepan | see the '+', that means 'added line' in a unified diff |
| 15:33.38 | Gnurdux | thanks for pointing that out |
| 15:34.37 | trepan | uhhuh |
| 15:39.21 | Gnurdux | trepan, check now |
| 15:41.15 | trepan | na |
| 15:41.22 | Gnurdux | why not? |
| 15:41.43 | trepan | i have other things to do, best of luck with it |
| 15:52.00 | Gnurdux | trepan, all it does is doesnt set it if it doesnt exist |
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| 16:16.32 | Gnurdux | hi Mr_Molez |
| 16:16.38 | Gnurdux | i made a patch for bz today |
| 16:16.42 | Gnurdux | and im planning another |
| 16:17.16 | CBG | why not a plugin? :P |
| 16:17.25 | Mr_Molez | patch ? what does it do ? |
| 16:17.28 | Gnurdux | cause its for a bug |
| 16:17.32 | Gnurdux | a /poll set bug |
| 16:17.33 | CBG | plugin > patch ...:P |
| 16:17.37 | Mr_Molez | oh |
| 16:17.44 | Mr_Molez | nice :) |
| 16:17.54 | Gnurdux | before my patch /poll set fakeVar true created a variable called fakeVar |
| 16:18.07 | CBG | lol |
| 16:18.56 | CBG | Mr_Molez: I was trying to promote ChatChannel on your 5154 server yesterday... |
| 16:19.09 | CBG | It seemed to confuse a lot of folk and it took much explaining... |
| 16:19.34 | Mr_Molez | CBG: It's use is really only relevant for matches :P |
| 16:19.55 | CBG | I thought so to, but why not use the usual team channel? |
| 16:20.11 | CBG | It only works if you have a teammate as an obs (ready to sub, or just watching - whatever). |
| 16:20.13 | Mr_Molez | CBG: If i ever get my /record /countdown plugin made I will ask for that aswell as the /channel command to be added to the news secton on ducati league |
| 16:20.24 | CBG | Cool :) |
| 16:20.38 | Mr_Molez | CBG: Yes exactly that is why its useful for obs |
| 16:20.48 | Gnurdux | Mr_Molez, alright alright ill make it for you |
| 16:20.49 | Mr_Molez | CBG: but just because the server supports it, doesn't mean people have to use it ;) |
| 16:20.53 | CBG | And for private conversations between more than 2 players... |
| 16:20.56 | Mr_Molez | Gnurdux: yay thanks ! :) |
| 16:20.59 | Gnurdux | if you give me a reward |
| 16:21.04 | Gnurdux | heres the deal |
| 16:21.06 | CBG | Mr_Molez: right - and they won't if only I know about it. :P |
| 16:21.07 | Mr_Molez | what you want :) |
| 16:21.11 | Gnurdux | give me a good idea for a programming project |
| 16:21.17 | Gnurdux | and ill make you the plugin |
| 16:21.33 | CBG | Gnurdux: make a program to do my math homework for me, please! |
| 16:21.37 | Mr_Molez | CBG: I put info about it when you join the server :P but thanks for explaining it to people. :) |
| 16:21.41 | Gnurdux | lol |
| 16:21.48 | Mr_Molez | Gnurdux: to do with bzflag ? |
| 16:21.50 | CBG | Mr_Molez: you're clever - can't tie /record to /countdown yourself? |
| 16:21.51 | Gnurdux | thats why i have a 3.3 gpa |
| 16:21.52 | Gnurdux | nah |
| 16:21.58 | Gnurdux | actually Mr_Molez ill just makje it cause im nice |
| 16:22.09 | Mr_Molez | CBG: I'm not clever, I just act like I am ;) |
| 16:22.16 | Mr_Molez | Gnurdux: yay ! :) |
| 16:22.19 | Gnurdux | who writes your cheat clients? |
| 16:22.27 | CBG | Mr_Molez: It seems only I saw the info about it since everyone I spoke to about it didn't seem to have seen it. |
| 16:22.44 | CBG | Oh Gnurdux, the million dollar question! :P |
| 16:23.21 | Mr_Molez | sorry I can't answer that |
| 16:23.24 | brlcad | more like 50 cents |
| 16:23.40 | CBG | Mr_Molez: you mean "won't". |
| 16:23.51 | Gnurdux | Mr_Molez, is it classified? |
| 16:23.59 | Gnurdux | cause hes pretty good at it |
| 16:24.04 | Gnurdux | and i thought you wrote yourself |
| 16:24.12 | Mr_Molez | can't won't same thing :P |
| 16:24.14 | Gnurdux | cause you were modding one on that cheat server |
| 16:24.23 | CBG | no Mr_Molez . not the same. |
| 16:24.31 | Mr_Molez | Gnurdux: oh sure I can change some numbers but that's all |
| 16:24.45 | Mr_Molez | can we change the subject please :P |
| 16:25.05 | Gnurdux | your already masterbanned :P |
| 16:25.10 | Mr_Molez | not anymore |
| 16:25.13 | Gnurdux | really? |
| 16:25.16 | Gnurdux | cool |
| 16:25.52 | CBG | no, we won't change the subject... |
| 16:25.58 | Mr_Molez | :( |
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| 16:26.09 | brlcad | masterbans are not meant as a punishment system, it's meant to prevent abuse -- if the abuse goes away, so does the ban |
| 16:26.09 | Mr_Molez | I just don't wanna get in trouble for talking about it |
| 16:26.12 | CBG | shall I get the electrodes? |
| 16:26.14 | Mr_Molez | I can see brlcad giving me evils |
| 16:26.24 | Gnurdux | ah |
| 16:26.39 | eXtreme | ~lart CBG |
| 16:26.48 | Gnurdux | eXtreme, check out my patch |
| 16:26.57 | eXtreme | I can't |
| 16:27.02 | Gnurdux | why? |
| 16:27.02 | eXtreme | don't have bz on this comp |
| 16:27.15 | brlcad | there's also nothing wrong with making a cheat client, it's not that hard to do |
| 16:27.42 | Mr_Molez | Just don't use it on real servers right :P |
| 16:27.44 | brlcad | it's the use of a cheat client where cheat clients are not explicitly allowed |
| 16:27.59 | CBG | there _is_ something wrong with using said cheat client on servers such as dub, gamesunited, etc though. |
| 16:28.30 | brlcad | right, that's _using_ the client |
| 16:28.37 | Gnurdux | Mr_Molez, whenever there is a / command starting with /record it automatically does /countdown? |
| 16:29.08 | bobwith_3bs | I have a question for the experts on automatic flag return -- |
| 16:29.12 | Gnurdux | or what |
| 16:29.17 | Gnurdux | Mr_Molez, actually i cant make it |
| 16:29.18 | Gnurdux | sorry |
| 16:29.32 | bobwith_3bs | I am familiar with the 'leave the flag in an invalid location' return |
| 16:29.36 | Mr_Molez | Gnurdux: What I want is when /countdown .. is started it will automatically do /record start.. and when the countdown finishesh it should automatically do /record save (and get a date or some info for a filename) |
| 16:29.44 | brlcad | there's nothing wrong with making one, just depends on how it's used |
| 16:29.49 | Mr_Molez | Gnurdux: okies :P |
| 16:29.50 | bobwith_3bs | but I have seen/observed other cases. Any ideas... |
| 16:29.51 | CBG | wouldn't it just be something like /countdown = /record ? :) |
| 16:29.56 | Gnurdux | Mr_Molez, it would be too hard |
| 16:30.08 | Mr_Molez | Gnurdux: ok no problem :) |
| 16:30.09 | Gnurdux | Mr_Molez, that would be better done as a mod |
| 16:30.18 | CBG | but stopping the recording at the end of the match - more difficult |
| 16:30.30 | brlcad | not that hard at all server-side |
| 16:30.52 | brlcad | might be as a plugin, but even then.. |
| 16:31.34 | bobwith_3bs | Basically, the map is pillbox (or one of the other non-jumping maps), so I don't see how that is possible... |
| 16:31.35 | Gnurdux | i would just mod the server if i were |
| 16:31.37 | Gnurdux | you |
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| 16:35.38 | Mr_Molez | :) |
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| 16:36.29 | brlcad | bobwith_3bs: basically, there is a building/object above the tanks so when you drop the flag, it's "inside" a building and gets returned to base |
| 16:37.05 | bobwith_3bs | so, do you just 'know' where these building are... |
| 16:37.36 | bobwith_3bs | for instance, on pillbox, everything visible is at ground level :) |
| 16:37.41 | brlcad | if you're making the map, you make the buildings |
| 16:38.01 | brlcad | if you're a player, it's one of those things that you discover and learn to take advantage of |
| 16:38.33 | bobwith_3bs | thanks, I figured it had a reasonable explanation... |
| 16:39.22 | Gnurdux | eXtreme, im gonna do the /reset patch next |
| 16:39.28 | eXtreme | ok |
| 16:39.29 | brlcad | the servers are also configured with that behavior that says return flag to base |
| 16:40.08 | bobwith_3bs | But is that player (admin) specific? |
| 16:40.37 | brlcad | nope |
| 16:40.47 | brlcad | it's map and map configuration specific |
| 16:40.59 | bobwith_3bs | That would be a little uneven with 'anytime player foo' drop, return the flag to base, otherwise not. |
| 16:43.08 | bobwith_3bs | Another semi related question, seems like I have seen the 'return point' be different than the original 'spawn point'. Is that possible or just my imagination? |
| 16:43.36 | bobwith_3bs | I am guessing it is map and map config specific :) |
| 16:43.51 | brlcad | it zaps it back to a base |
| 16:44.14 | trepan | unless zones are used |
| 16:44.56 | bobwith_3bs | Hmm, zones are new to me. Care to elaborate? |
| 16:45.34 | brlcad | map/config makers can create flag zones |
| 16:45.44 | brlcad | flag spawn zones |
| 16:46.20 | Gnurdux | brlcad, can you check over my patch |
| 16:46.35 | brlcad | is it done? |
| 16:46.45 | Gnurdux | the pol set one? |
| 16:46.47 | Gnurdux | yep |
| 16:46.53 | bobwith_3bs | And those could be anywhere within the base, or even outside? |
| 16:46.55 | brlcad | have you tested it? |
| 16:47.00 | Gnurdux | i just put another check, where the old one was |
| 16:47.01 | brlcad | even outside |
| 16:47.01 | Gnurdux | yes |
| 16:47.08 | Gnurdux | it doesnt create the variables anymore |
| 16:47.24 | trepan | bobwith_3bs: team flags don't even need to spawn on bases anymore |
| 16:48.34 | bobwith_3bs | I never considered that. Any playable servers come to mind that have maps like that? |
| 16:49.01 | bobwith_3bs | That just sounds too wierd, but then I don't get out that much :) |
| 16:50.23 | Gnurdux | brlcad, so is it OK? |
| 16:50.51 | Gnurdux | also, is there any demand for a patch that would make /reset load defaults that were specified with -set |
| 16:52.47 | Mr_Molez | there is already a feature to reset all /set aint there ? |
| 16:52.52 | Gnurdux | i know |
| 16:52.55 | Gnurdux | /reset |
| 16:53.11 | Gnurdux | but i want it so that if you do: -set variable value in the config, its saved as a default\ |
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| 16:59.28 | bobwith_3bs | thanks for the help, gtg |
| 17:01.08 | Gnurdux | brlcad, |
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| 17:07.00 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, i want to make a bzfs patch so that /reset resets to the config file |
| 17:07.01 | Mr_Molez | CBG: foo is european :P |
| 17:07.23 | Gnurdux | but there is no good way to do that without adding an extra function, setDefault, to StateDatabase |
| 17:08.04 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, I don't know |
| 17:08.14 | JeffM2501 | the config is not my area of experteise |
| 17:08.19 | Gnurdux | is that a really bad idea? |
| 17:08.28 | Gnurdux | adding an extra function to StateDatabase? |
| 17:08.57 | JeffM2501 | when you mean "reset" do you just mean a reload of the config options? |
| 17:09.07 | JeffM2501 | overiding any runtime changes? |
| 17:09.10 | Gnurdux | BZDB has a server command |
| 17:09.11 | Gnurdux | /reset |
| 17:09.16 | Gnurdux | /reset loads default values |
| 17:09.27 | Gnurdux | but, even if you do a -set in the config, /reset doesnt load it |
| 17:09.28 | JeffM2501 | or all the bzdb stuff yeah |
| 17:09.31 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 17:09.37 | Gnurdux | it loads the normal default |
| 17:09.51 | Gnurdux | and the only way to get around that is to add setDefault to StateDatabase |
| 17:09.52 | JeffM2501 | well you don't need to save it in the state dtabase |
| 17:10.00 | JeffM2501 | you could save off all the -sets |
| 17:10.07 | JeffM2501 | from the config or commandline |
| 17:10.10 | JeffM2501 | and just rerun them |
| 17:10.20 | Gnurdux | or make a new database |
| 17:10.28 | JeffM2501 | yeah same thing basicly |
| 17:10.37 | Gnurdux | but thats even worse |
| 17:10.42 | JeffM2501 | not really |
| 17:10.43 | Gnurdux | that is less efficient etc |
| 17:10.49 | JeffM2501 | it's not like it's used that much |
| 17:10.53 | Gnurdux | since the existing database has a member called Default |
| 17:10.54 | JeffM2501 | it's just a bit of ram |
| 17:10.56 | Gnurdux | for each item |
| 17:11.07 | Gnurdux | maybe it was defaultValue or something |
| 17:11.08 | JeffM2501 | hoenstly I don't think it realy matters |
| 17:11.14 | JeffM2501 | that would be fine too |
| 17:11.25 | Gnurdux | so i just need to make SetDefault |
| 17:11.43 | Gnurdux | its just that if i want to minimize impact |
| 17:11.51 | Gnurdux | and tons of files inclue StateDatabase.h |
| 17:12.09 | JeffM2501 | it's a one shot change, change as much as you need |
| 17:12.35 | Gnurdux | true |
| 17:12.39 | Gnurdux | thanks |
| 17:12.57 | JeffM2501 | better to do it right, then worry about how much somone is going to have to rebuild ONCE |
| 17:13.08 | JeffM2501 | cus you want it commited to the mainline right? |
| 17:13.28 | Gnurdux | yes |
| 17:13.32 | Gnurdux | if it works |
| 17:13.40 | JeffM2501 | then don't worry to much about how many files you hit |
| 17:13.46 | Gnurdux | the patch i made today id like comitted to |
| 17:13.54 | Gnurdux | but its a bit hacky |
| 17:13.54 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, you arround? |
| 17:14.00 | JeffM2501 | well hacky is bad? |
| 17:14.07 | Gnurdux | well the thing is |
| 17:14.12 | JeffM2501 | is it hacky because its a patch? |
| 17:14.13 | Gnurdux | that its fixing the /poll set |
| 17:14.29 | Gnurdux | you know how /poll set, if you /poll set fakeVar true fakeVar gets created |
| 17:14.33 | Gnurdux | it fixes that |
| 17:14.39 | Gnurdux | but it allows the poll to go forward |
| 17:14.43 | Gnurdux | just doesnt set it |
| 17:14.54 | JeffM2501 | can you fix it the right way? |
| 17:14.58 | Gnurdux | because i just attached it to an existing poll set check |
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| 17:15.32 | Gnurdux | which doesnt set if there is no value, jsut a variable |
| 17:15.39 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, it works tho and I think its fine |
| 17:15.44 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 17:15.48 | Gnurdux | and it allows cute things like: /poll set WHO LIKES ME? |
| 17:15.55 | JeffM2501 | eww |
| 17:15.58 | Gnurdux | just doesnt create the variable who like the old ones |
| 17:16.06 | Gnurdux | i know its stupid but i saw someone do that today |
| 17:16.17 | JeffM2501 | personaly I'd like to disallow lame kiddie stuff like that |
| 17:16.23 | JeffM2501 | it could be an abbuse or spam channel |
| 17:16.37 | Gnurdux | whatever |
| 17:17.10 | JeffM2501 | I'm going to ask tim for some stuff, I'll see if I can't just get you commit access |
| 17:17.15 | Deepa | why would one need a function like that? |
| 17:17.19 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, i dont need it |
| 17:17.25 | Gnurdux | yet |
| 17:17.34 | Gnurdux | these bugs are just personal things |
| 17:17.34 | JeffM2501 | it's easyer then applying patches :) |
| 17:17.41 | JeffM2501 | that's how it allways starts Gnurdux |
| 17:17.43 | Gnurdux | besides i havent cvs updated in a while |
| 17:18.00 | JeffM2501 | not everyone with CVS access has to be a full time dev |
| 17:18.07 | Gnurdux | i could cvs update and just apply my patch |
| 17:18.08 | JeffM2501 | we give access to people who fix little things |
| 17:18.13 | Gnurdux | one sec |
| 17:18.55 | Gnurdux | im gonna cvs update |
| 17:19.09 | Gnurdux | Merging differences between 2.199.2.29 and 2.199.2.31 into bzfs.cxx |
| 17:19.10 | Gnurdux | SWEET |
| 17:19.18 | Gnurdux | it automatically merged in my change |
| 17:20.35 | JeffM2501 | that's what CVS DOES :) |
| 17:20.46 | Gnurdux | thats cool |
| 17:21.12 | Gnurdux | now its time to make Patch 2 |
| 17:21.23 | Gnurdux | or maybe not a patch, depending |
| 17:21.35 | JeffM2501 | make the patch for now |
| 17:21.45 | Gnurdux | ok |
| 17:25.51 | Gnurdux | implementing it for -vars might be tricky |
| 17:25.59 | Gnurdux | because i think -vars uses /set currently |
| 17:26.10 | Gnurdux | but -vars should be made default too |
| 17:26.26 | JeffM2501 | set a state global that lets you know it's done at config time |
| 17:26.35 | JeffM2501 | then in /set you cna know if it's a default or not |
| 17:26.57 | Gnurdux | a state global? |
| 17:27.01 | Gnurdux | like a global variable? |
| 17:27.01 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 17:27.05 | Gnurdux | ok |
| 17:27.09 | JeffM2501 | that defines what state you are in |
| 17:27.12 | JeffM2501 | default setting or not |
| 17:27.20 | Gnurdux | or i could do a different implementation of -vars |
| 17:27.40 | JeffM2501 | why bother when they will be 99% the same |
| 17:28.04 | JeffM2501 | if yer gonna do it then do it right and do it whole hog |
| 17:28.05 | Gnurdux | true |
| 17:28.23 | Gnurdux | you know what, i dont even need to add setDefault |
| 17:28.46 | Gnurdux | i could make the standard set() function do it, if a certain thing is set |
| 17:28.55 | Gnurdux | and then, that would be the only change i'd need |
| 17:29.29 | JeffM2501 | bingo |
| 17:29.53 | Gnurdux | hmm, does bzflag have any extern's? |
| 17:30.06 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 17:30.07 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 17:30.07 | brlcad | heh |
| 17:30.15 | Gnurdux | are they all in headers? |
| 17:30.16 | JeffM2501 | a couple hundered IIRC |
| 17:30.22 | Gnurdux | or could i just throw one in a cxx |
| 17:30.31 | JeffM2501 | put it where it makes sense |
| 17:30.39 | Gnurdux | cause i might be able to save everything a rebuild, wihtout modifying any headers |
| 17:30.52 | JeffM2501 | I told you don't worry about that |
| 17:30.56 | Gnurdux | i know |
| 17:31.07 | JeffM2501 | don't chezze hack to prevent a rebuild |
| 17:31.18 | JeffM2501 | add the var to the header that has the function you call ( set ) |
| 17:31.34 | JeffM2501 | it makes the most locical sense |
| 17:31.46 | JeffM2501 | or hell pass it as a param with a default of false with set |
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| 17:33.13 | JeffM2501 | brb, gotta put anitbiotics in me eye |
| 17:34.00 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, passing as a param wouldnt work since vars uses /set |
| 17:34.17 | Gnurdux | so i COULD put it in the header |
| 17:34.26 | Gnurdux | i could even make it a static class variable |
| 17:34.31 | Gnurdux | a public one |
| 17:35.02 | JeffM2501 | man I hate doing this |
| 17:35.08 | JeffM2501 | ok, what ever works for you |
| 17:35.18 | JeffM2501 | just make it clean, and don't worry about rebuilds |
| 17:36.35 | Gnurdux | ok |
| 17:36.46 | Gnurdux | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:36.46 | Gnurdux | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:36.46 | Gnurdux | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:36.51 | Gnurdux | thats how im doing it |
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| 17:41.12 | Gnurdux | wait now that i think about it it shouldnt be static |
| 17:41.22 | Gnurdux | after all there only IS one statedatabase |
| 17:42.58 | Gnurdux | lunch |
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| 17:52.15 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: yes? |
| 17:54.39 | Deepa | purple_cow: exactly! |
| 17:54.58 | purple_cow | ? |
| 17:56.20 | learner | hopefully breaking everything horribly of course |
| 17:56.44 | learner | purple_cow, any word on siggraph? |
| 17:56.56 | Gnurdux | whats the BZDBCache? |
| 17:57.04 | purple_cow | learner: planning on it... |
| 17:57.51 | learner | Gnurdux, it's a hack for quick access to frequently used bzdb vars |
| 17:57.51 | Gnurdux | ok |
| 17:57.51 | JeffM2501 | things that are used a lot are chached, cus the name based lookup takes time |
| 17:57.53 | learner | i.e. ones that affect performance to call them repeatedly |
| 17:58.14 | JeffM2501 | stuff called per frame for example |
| 17:59.32 | Gnurdux | hmmm |
| 17:59.40 | |zongo| | i have read the paper http://ww2.cs.fsu.edu/~banavar/accuracy.pdf and i have a question |
| 17:59.42 | Gnurdux | when is the world's options section red? |
| 17:59.44 | Gnurdux | read |
| 17:59.55 | Gnurdux | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:00.03 | |zongo| | are the devs considering synchronised clocks for DeadReckoning in some bzflag version to come? |
| 18:07.45 | JeffM2501 | it was talked about once IIRC |
| 18:08.01 | JeffM2501 | I think it would help a lot |
| 18:08.46 | JeffM2501 | but then the author of that also refreces some of my writings on the subject in there too |
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| 18:15.11 | JeffM2501 | why does our trove info say we are a "firewall" and "network monitoring" app? |
| 18:16.39 | learner | we're not? |
| 18:16.46 | JeffM2501 | we are? |
| 18:16.58 | learner | :) |
| 18:17.10 | JeffM2501 | I changed it to be "3d rendering" :) |
| 18:30.05 | learner | purple_cow, did you/micah notice that cia is mentioned on sf's svn docs? |
| 18:30.12 | purple_cow | learner: yep |
| 18:30.28 | learner | and one of the standard hooks you can enable |
| 18:30.34 | learner | s/standard/provided/ |
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| 18:51.07 | JeffM2501 | trepan, should a build with GLEW be the default for windows? |
| 18:51.46 | trepan | probably, doesn't do much at the moment ;) |
| 18:52.01 | JeffM2501 | should I bother seting it up right now? |
| 18:52.36 | trepan | shouldn't take much, add the lib and the config.h def. |
| 18:52.41 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:52.47 | JeffM2501 | and the DLL in the installer |
| 18:53.01 | Gnurdux | when is the world's options section read? |
| 18:53.10 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, do you know? |
| 18:53.18 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, when the map is parsed |
| 18:53.19 | Gnurdux | is it in: parse(argc, argv, *clOptions); |
| 18:53.23 | JeffM2501 | no no |
| 18:53.28 | Gnurdux | is that during CommandLineOptions |
| 18:53.28 | Gnurdux | oh |
| 18:53.31 | JeffM2501 | it would be in the map reader |
| 18:53.39 | trepan | i'll probably need to check the GLEW version, older ones missed glGetShaderiv() and a few other calls |
| 18:53.49 | JeffM2501 | I'm using 1.3.4 |
| 18:54.25 | Gnurdux | yes it is from CommandLineOptions |
| 18:54.27 | trepan | that's good enough |
| 18:54.29 | Gnurdux | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:54.34 | Gnurdux | thats in the -world command |
| 18:54.45 | bryjen | learner: perhaps "network stress testing app" |
| 18:55.00 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, makes sense that they share the same parser |
| 18:56.14 | brlcad | bryjen: que cosa? |
| 18:56.42 | Gnurdux | hmm |
| 18:56.45 | Gnurdux | im not sure tho |
| 18:57.05 | brlcad | bryjen: ah, heh |
| 18:57.58 | Gnurdux | brlcad, do you know where the world parser is invoked? |
| 18:58.07 | Gnurdux | is it invoked during the -world command line option?> |
| 18:58.20 | JeffM2501 | dude put in a breakpoint and see |
| 18:58.29 | Gnurdux | hmm |
| 18:58.31 | JeffM2501 | you have the code and a debuger, step thru and see |
| 18:58.33 | JeffM2501 | use your tools |
| 18:58.39 | Gnurdux | true |
| 18:58.54 | brlcad | or just read the source like you're asking me to do |
| 18:59.09 | JeffM2501 | there are many options available to you :) |
| 18:59.38 | Gnurdux | ahh |
| 18:59.46 | Gnurdux | the world OPTIONS are parsed in CmdLineOptions |
| 18:59.48 | Gnurdux | during -world |
| 18:59.58 | Gnurdux | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:59.58 | Gnurdux | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:59.58 | Gnurdux | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:00.07 | brlcad | we really dont' need to see that |
| 19:00.21 | Gnurdux | parseWorldOptions must extract the options section |
| 19:01.26 | Gnurdux | now i have to wait while it builds |
| 19:01.41 | JeffM2501 | trepan, what is the define in config? |
| 19:01.58 | brlcad | i'm glad you're happy you're figuring it all out .. we just don't need running commentary as you learn it .. :) |
| 19:02.22 | Gnurdux | lol ok |
| 19:02.30 | trepan | #define HAVE_GLEW 1 |
| 19:02.36 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 19:02.54 | JeffM2501 | since we don't config generate our .h file, I'm making it part of the default build |
| 19:03.02 | trepan | comment above is: /* GLEW library is available */ |
| 19:03.11 | JeffM2501 | ok, thanks |
| 19:05.55 | CBG | Mr_Molez: oh. duh... |
| 19:06.20 | Mr_Molez | CBG: :P |
| 19:06.47 | CBG | now I look real stupid, huh? |
| 19:06.54 | Mr_Molez | CBG: not really |
| 19:07.09 | CBG | if nobody else has noticed, I can change it. ;) |
| 19:07.15 | Mr_Molez | CBG: I just know him a little better :P |
| 19:07.16 | Mr_Molez | hehe |
| 19:07.28 | CBG | I knew it too, dunno why I said otherwise. |
| 19:07.48 | Mr_Molez | CBG: he seems to be on the american time zone that's probably why :P |
| 19:08.30 | CBG | heh, so am I usually, but my parents were out till late, so I they would have seen if I was still up - usually they go to bed at 11PM, so I can stay on as long as I like after that. |
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| 19:17.47 | Gnurdux | it seems my compy cant take the strain of compiling and playoing bzflag at the same time ;( |
| 19:19.02 | CBG | Gnurdux: strain? :) |
| 19:19.11 | Gnurdux | it seems |
| 19:20.13 | Gnurdux | SWEET the reset thing works |
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| 19:20.52 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, my /reset thingy works |
| 19:21.03 | CBG | congrats. :) |
| 19:21.21 | JeffM2501 | so I see you've said twice |
| 19:21.33 | Gnurdux | yup |
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| 19:21.42 | Gnurdux | but its quite simple |
| 19:22.51 | CBG | Gnurdux: want some more complex stuff to do? |
| 19:23.25 | CBG | I have a list of stuff I wanna see done (or do myself when I get around to learning C++ - in Uni I hope) if you wanna have a bash at any of them... |
| 19:24.09 | Gnurdux | CBG, probably not |
| 19:24.22 | Gnurdux | i just did this stuff because it personally is helpful to me :) |
| 19:25.18 | CBG | I think this one might not be too hard: Enable QuickMessages to be set to any key. So for example, pressing the D key could be set to send the message "Get OURS!" to the team. |
| 19:30.24 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, want me to make it into a patch? |
| 19:30.42 | Gnurdux | one question tho: it will also have my other patch for poll set |
| 19:30.42 | JeffM2501 | if you want to see it in the main code, then yes you have to make it a patch |
| 19:30.43 | Gnurdux | is that ok |
| 19:30.51 | JeffM2501 | make them seperate patches |
| 19:30.55 | Gnurdux | how? |
| 19:31.10 | Gnurdux | the poll set one is already on hte patch site |
| 19:31.13 | JeffM2501 | pull out the code for each one when you do the patches |
| 19:31.19 | Gnurdux | hmm |
| 19:31.25 | JeffM2501 | then pull OUT that code before you make your new patch |
| 19:31.35 | Gnurdux | is there a way to unpatch? |
| 19:31.54 | Gnurdux | actually pulling it out should be easy enough |
| 19:32.22 | trepan | you can 'cvs diff <filenames>' if the files don't interfer |
| 19:33.29 | Gnurdux | they do |
| 19:33.53 | Gnurdux | but the poll set patch was tiny |
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| 19:40.37 | Gnurdux | hey TD-Linux |
| 19:40.46 | TD-Linux | hi |
| 19:42.43 | Gnurdux | TD-Linux, i uploaded 2 patches today |
| 19:42.57 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, can you take a look at both of my patches? |
| 19:56.52 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/ (README.WIN32 win32/VC71/bzflag.vcproj win32/VC71/config.h): add support for that "GLEW" stuff to the windows build |
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| 20:44.50 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, is my implementation clean enough? |
| 20:45.58 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, you there? |
| 20:46.23 | CBG | Gnurdux: give him a minute... :) |
| 20:46.45 | Gnurdux | hes been idle for a few hours |
| 20:46.49 | Gnurdux | hmm |
| 20:49.06 | Gnurdux | not a few but an hour |
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| 20:57.05 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501 |
| 20:57.36 | Gnurdux | ~seen TimRiker |
| 20:57.39 | ibot | timriker <n=timr@pdpc/supporter/bronze/TimRiker> was last seen on IRC in channel #classiccmp, 1d 12h 57m 12s ago, saying: 'well, 17 if you cound the console.'. |
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| 20:57.56 | Gnurdux | ~seen JeffM2501 |
| 20:57.58 | ibot | jeffm2501 is currently on #bzflag, last said: 'then pull OUT that code before you make your new patch'. |
| 20:58.48 | Mr_Molez | Gnurdux: he is going to give you an earful when he gets back ;) |
| 20:58.58 | Gnurdux | Mr_Molez, why? |
| 20:59.08 | Mr_Molez | Gnurdux: for not being patient :P |
| 20:59.12 | Gnurdux | lol |
| 21:00.36 | Gnurdux | Mr_Molez, when do you think he'll get back? |
| 21:01.03 | CBG | Gnurdux: when he gets back. |
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| 21:01.58 | Mr_Molez | Gnurdux: I aint got a clue. I would guess within the hour |
| 21:02.03 | Gnurdux | i would hope so |
| 21:03.59 | CBG | good good. |
| 21:04.19 | CBG | probably better not to, dunno why anyone does, I'm a power-freak. >:) |
| 21:04.36 | Mr_Molez | who isn't |
| 21:04.50 | CBG | Hmm, good one. |
| 21:04.54 | Mr_Molez | :) |
| 21:05.16 | CBG | Orange had to 'have a word' with me for being to nasty to the laggers on silvercat... :P |
| 21:05.21 | Gnurdux | CBG, lol |
| 21:05.43 | Mr_Molez | uhoh |
| 21:09.44 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 21:10.17 | Mr_Molez | JeffM2501: good evening |
| 21:10.21 | CBG | well, Mr_Molez's 'within the hour' was right. o.O |
| 21:10.28 | JeffM2501 | afternoon |
| 21:10.30 | Mr_Molez | I'm always right :P |
| 21:10.31 | CBG | Mr_Molez: afternoon for him :) |
| 21:10.36 | JeffM2501 | I was cuting my hair |
| 21:10.48 | Mr_Molez | JeffM2501: you cut your own hair ? |
| 21:10.50 | JeffM2501 | it's just after 1 here |
| 21:10.58 | JeffM2501 | yeah when I chose to just buzz cut it |
| 21:11.00 | Gnurdux | just after 4 here |
| 21:11.03 | CBG | ooh, west coast :) |
| 21:11.05 | Gnurdux | what timezone JeffM2501 ? |
| 21:11.11 | JeffM2501 | pacific |
| 21:11.38 | JeffM2501 | no need to pay somone to cut your hair when your just gonna use clippers to get it an inch long |
| 21:12.02 | Mr_Molez | JeffM2501: Not that I have tried, but I would have thought it would be hard to cut your own hair |
| 21:12.11 | JeffM2501 | it's not simple |
| 21:12.20 | JeffM2501 | it's only dooable with powerd clippers |
| 21:12.24 | JeffM2501 | and mirrors :) |
| 21:12.28 | Mr_Molez | ah :) |
| 21:12.35 | JeffM2501 | #7 all over, then #4 on the back |
| 21:13.23 | CBG | My dad does it to... |
| 21:13.41 | CBG | but he only has about 3mm of hair anyway, and only on the back and sides... |
| 21:14.33 | Mr_Molez | :P |
| 21:15.31 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, im cleaning up my patch |
| 21:15.40 | JeffM2501 | umm ok |
| 21:15.58 | Mr_Molez | all that fuss just to tell him that ? |
| 21:16.06 | CBG | rofl |
| 21:16.09 | Gnurdux | i just used a public var, i decided it would be cleaner to use a function |
| 21:16.15 | Gnurdux | well i wanted to know if i needed to |
| 21:16.20 | Gnurdux | but i decided that i might as well |
| 21:16.26 | Mr_Molez | :) |
| 21:16.29 | JeffM2501 | how would I know if you had to clean up your own code? |
| 21:16.34 | Gnurdux | dunno lol |
| 21:16.40 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, your just learning to program arn't you? |
| 21:16.42 | Gnurdux | my code is very simple |
| 21:16.49 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, depends what you mean |
| 21:16.59 | Gnurdux | ive been "programming" for like 6 years |
| 21:17.06 | Gnurdux | ive known C++ for 3 years |
| 21:17.14 | JeffM2501 | you don't seem very knoledgable on code design, and you are often second guessing yourself |
| 21:17.17 | Gnurdux | but im just learning to "program well" |
| 21:17.26 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 21:17.40 | Gnurdux | i dont have any experience with actually programming anything worth programming |
| 21:17.56 | JeffM2501 | that's what programing is |
| 21:17.59 | Gnurdux | but you probably didnt when you were my age so its ok |
| 21:18.00 | JeffM2501 | the language is nothing |
| 21:18.05 | JeffM2501 | and how old are you? |
| 21:18.14 | Gnurdux | 14 as of yesterday |
| 21:18.24 | JeffM2501 | well happy birthday |
| 21:18.32 | Gnurdux | heh |
| 21:18.34 | JeffM2501 | that does explain the impatience |
| 21:18.42 | Gnurdux | i have a short attention span |
| 21:18.44 | JeffM2501 | when I was 14 all we had was basic |
| 21:19.01 | Gnurdux | we do TrueBasic in school. it sucks |
| 21:19.05 | JeffM2501 | well and machine language |
| 21:19.08 | CBG | JeffM2501: and we STILL have basic! :D |
| 21:19.13 | Gnurdux | they probably had assembly |
| 21:19.29 | menotume | yay for z80 machine language |
| 21:19.30 | JeffM2501 | didn't have pascall till I was 16, then I had a language that would let me write real apps |
| 21:19.40 | Gnurdux | menotume, calculator programming |
| 21:19.43 | JeffM2501 | or was it 17 |
| 21:19.45 | menotume | that too |
| 21:19.47 | Gnurdux | agh pascal!!! nooooo |
| 21:20.06 | JeffM2501 | it was a fine mid level language for it's time |
| 21:20.19 | menotume | yes, it was |
| 21:20.20 | Gnurdux | well i like C++ |
| 21:20.38 | Gnurdux | C++ is both easier and more powerful than pascal |
| 21:20.45 | JeffM2501 | C++ is a better language then pascal for app prgraming sure |
| 21:20.56 | JeffM2501 | no one language will be the best for all things |
| 21:22.18 | Gnurdux | true |
| 21:23.35 | Gnurdux | i think bzflag is a good project to learn programming skills on |
| 21:23.46 | Gnurdux | cause the only way to really learn is practical experience |
| 21:24.02 | Gnurdux | and bzflag is a real program, with real bugs, with real easy fixes |
| 21:24.14 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 21:24.29 | JeffM2501 | actualy it'll probably just give you bad habbits |
| 21:24.45 | JeffM2501 | you like it cus you have us as a safety net in case you screw up |
| 21:25.03 | JeffM2501 | usualy making your own real project is a good way to learn about overall design and problem solving |
| 21:25.10 | JeffM2501 | those are the skills you need to work on |
| 21:26.12 | Gnurdux | ive tried making my own real project |
| 21:26.16 | Gnurdux | and im gonna try again |
| 21:26.20 | Gnurdux | prolly this summer |
| 21:26.22 | Gnurdux | maybe earlier |
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| 21:26.42 | JeffM2501 | well it's not like you have a time shortage :) |
| 21:26.55 | Mr_Molez | I think the best way to learn is to make a bzflag plugin to bind /record and /countdown |
| 21:27.25 | menotume | too easy for a plugin :) |
| 21:27.34 | Mr_Molez | menotume: judas |
| 21:27.38 | Mr_Molez | ;) |
| 21:28.04 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, the problem is, i havent decided what to make |
| 21:28.05 | CBG | will someone please do this, to shut up moley here...? |
| 21:28.18 | Gnurdux | i think i wanna do something with wxWidgets |
| 21:28.35 | Gnurdux | but i might just use GTK or SDL, depending on what I make |
| 21:28.51 | JeffM2501 | CBG, nope.... he gets back what he puts in |
| 21:29.08 | JeffM2501 | so he's still got a lot of crap to get back before the pipe is clear |
| 21:29.12 | CBG | JeffM2501: good point. |
| 21:29.19 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, find the NEED first, then pick your APIs |
| 21:29.20 | Mr_Molez | :P |
| 21:29.20 | Gnurdux | Mr_Molez, just mod the serrver |
| 21:29.26 | Gnurdux | doing it as a plugin is a bad idea |
| 21:29.33 | JeffM2501 | why are plugins bad? |
| 21:29.34 | Mr_Molez | nuhuh |
| 21:29.36 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, i need an idea for a project though |
| 21:29.50 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, for doing one built in command when another one is activated? |
| 21:29.52 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, then think of things you'd want as an application |
| 21:30.07 | Mr_Molez | Gnurdux: I got a good one for you |
| 21:30.11 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, plugins are just a package |
| 21:30.15 | Gnurdux | Mr_Molez, no |
| 21:30.29 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, the api isnt powerful enough |
| 21:30.33 | JeffM2501 | yes it is |
| 21:30.36 | Mr_Molez | Gnurdux: LePouple303 made a program called bzmanager.. Copy that to C++ code :P |
| 21:30.37 | JeffM2501 | I added the commands |
| 21:30.42 | Gnurdux | Mr_Molez, we are talking about an independent project |
| 21:30.46 | Gnurdux | unrelated to bz |
| 21:31.04 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, actualy sounds like you want a vanity project, just one for you to make and say "look what I did" |
| 21:31.09 | Mr_Molez | well it is independent kinda :P |
| 21:31.20 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, basically yep |
| 21:31.28 | Gnurdux | but not just me |
| 21:31.30 | Gnurdux | other people |
| 21:31.36 | Gnurdux | also, somethign to play with |
| 21:31.39 | JeffM2501 | so it's more of a self mastrabetory thing for you instead of filling others needs |
| 21:31.43 | Gnurdux | not just to brag about |
| 21:31.48 | JeffM2501 | so it dosn't matter what it is |
| 21:31.55 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, if it fills other's needs thats a plus |
| 21:32.15 | Gnurdux | and if its been done a million times, its a minus |
| 21:32.19 | JeffM2501 | you have a lot to learn about application desing kiddo |
| 21:32.26 | JeffM2501 | design |
| 21:34.07 | bryjen | ~spell mastrabetory |
| 21:34.19 | bryjen | ~dict masturbatory |
| 21:34.31 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure you get the idea |
| 21:35.02 | Gnurdux | the MAIN purpose is the doing it, rather than the final project |
| 21:35.09 | bryjen | well, yeah ;) just wondering if "self" is part of the definition and thereby redundant |
| 21:35.20 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, then if doing it is the thing, it dosnt' mater IF it's been done before or not |
| 21:35.27 | Gnurdux | but to me it does |
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| 21:35.43 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, that is the part where you are just stroking your own ego and it will get in the way of your project |
| 21:35.45 | Gnurdux | i want the final product to have some purpose |
| 21:35.46 | JeffM2501 | the vanity part |
| 21:35.55 | JeffM2501 | then find a thing that does something and make it BETTER |
| 21:35.58 | JeffM2501 | then it will have use |
| 21:36.05 | Gnurdux | like bzflag |
| 21:36.08 | Gnurdux | heh |
| 21:36.09 | JeffM2501 | whatever |
| 21:36.17 | JeffM2501 | bzflag is not the end all/be all of games or code |
| 21:36.26 | JeffM2501 | it's kinda weak on both ends right now |
| 21:36.29 | Gnurdux | but its the best OS game out there |
| 21:36.34 | JeffM2501 | no.. no it's not |
| 21:36.38 | Gnurdux | whats better? |
| 21:36.51 | JeffM2501 | cube would beat us in every aspect |
| 21:36.56 | Gnurdux | thats true |
| 21:37.00 | JeffM2501 | code, graphics, net, sound, design |
| 21:37.28 | JeffM2501 | bzflag could be remade as a cube mod and be a lot better |
| 21:37.31 | Gnurdux | btw take a look at my patches and see if they are well designed |
| 21:37.39 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, nah |
| 21:37.46 | JeffM2501 | yes, yes it could |
| 21:37.52 | JeffM2501 | same for all the quake engine stuff |
| 21:37.52 | Gnurdux | i like the way bzflag is actually |
| 21:38.04 | JeffM2501 | you could make cube INTO bzflag |
| 21:38.06 | JeffM2501 | it would be simple |
| 21:38.07 | Gnurdux | i like its controls and stuff |
| 21:38.17 | JeffM2501 | you don't get it do you kiddo |
| 21:38.19 | Gnurdux | Mr_Molez, lol you should talk |
| 21:38.28 | JeffM2501 | controlls, gameplay, that's all the little stuff |
| 21:38.36 | Tupone | hi orchid |
| 21:38.41 | Gnurdux | thats true |
| 21:38.49 | Gnurdux | thats only a few hundred lines or soo |
| 21:38.50 | Mr_Molez | JeffM2501: What would be needed to get your vocaliser plugin to work ? |
| 21:38.57 | orchid | ciao Tupone |
| 21:39.03 | JeffM2501 | Mr_Molez, somone who cares |
| 21:39.10 | Tupone | don't say brlcad this time :) |
| 21:39.18 | Mr_Molez | JeffM2501: just how finished is it ? |
| 21:39.26 | JeffM2501 | it should be done |
| 21:39.33 | JeffM2501 | it just will probably crash old clients |
| 21:39.38 | Mr_Molez | ok cheers |
| 21:40.17 | orchid | Tupone: I did that? |
| 21:40.31 | Tupone | you did not? |
| 21:41.35 | CBG | [10:36pm] <JeffM2501> bzflag is not the end all/be all of games or code |
| 21:41.36 | CBG | That is just your opinion. I do not play any other games at all and I play bzflag much more than I should. |
| 21:42.06 | Mr_Molez | CBG: same here, apart from recently |
| 21:42.31 | Mr_Molez | infact I was never into games at all untill I found bzflag |
| 21:43.02 | CBG | I was a PS2 fan. I had all the GTA games, etc. |
| 21:43.11 | CBG | I still do, I have KillZone, etc. |
| 21:43.18 | Mr_Molez | GTA rulez |
| 21:43.19 | CBG | I *never* play Any of them. |
| 21:43.37 | CBG | After a few months of not even turning the ps2 on, I gave it to my older bro. |
| 21:43.45 | Mr_Molez | :o |
| 21:45.13 | Mr_Molez | could have given it me ;) |
| 21:45.23 | Gnurdux | CBG, same here |
| 21:45.29 | Gnurdux | BZF is my main game |
| 21:46.18 | CBG | It's my ONLY game. |
| 21:46.32 | Gnurdux | i only play OS games |
| 21:46.37 | Gnurdux | i play supertux some times |
| 21:46.48 | Gnurdux | problem is i beat supertux and all the bonus levels |
| 21:48.23 | CBG | I spend all day waiting to play, and all night trying to drag myself away and off to bed. |
| 21:49.47 | Gnurdux | CBG, you should learn to dev it |
| 21:49.56 | CBG | I have no time... |
| 21:50.01 | Gnurdux | really? |
| 21:50.12 | Gnurdux | then how do you have time to play it if you have no spare time? |
| 21:50.15 | CBG | I'm always doing my homework in free periods, lunchtimes, etc as it is. |
| 21:50.23 | CBG | Because I spend all my time playing. |
| 21:50.29 | Mr_Molez | heh |
| 21:50.36 | Gnurdux | so dev during some of your playing time |
| 21:50.42 | Gnurdux | CBG, how old are you |
| 21:51.07 | CBG | I'm doing my math homework now, at 10:50PM. And I have about 3 hours of ICT coursework due tomorrow morning too. |
| 21:51.10 | CBG | Gnurdux: 17 |
| 21:51.43 | Gnurdux | wait your 6 hours ahead of me |
| 21:51.55 | CBG | :| |
| 21:52.00 | Gnurdux | its 4:50 here |
| 21:52.07 | CBG | Yeah, enjoy your dinner... |
| 21:52.09 | Gnurdux | what country CBG ? |
| 21:52.13 | Gnurdux | i dont eat dinner at 4 |
| 21:52.27 | CBG | Gnurdux: you will be in like, an hour or so... |
| 21:52.33 | Gnurdux | not really |
| 21:52.40 | Gnurdux | usually at 6:45 or so |
| 21:52.41 | CBG | I'm in Wales, UK. |
| 21:52.52 | CBG | Oh, that's kinda late, but still, enjoy it... |
| 21:53.07 | Gnurdux | CBG, not really |
| 21:53.47 | Mr_Molez | CBG: you dont live in a village called Llandewi Breffi by any chance do you :P |
| 21:53.54 | CBG | nope |
| 21:54.00 | Mr_Molez | CBG: okies ;) |
| 21:54.08 | CBG | Should I? |
| 21:54.18 | Gnurdux | Mr_Molez, why do you want that plugin so much? |
| 21:54.24 | Gnurdux | wouldnt a patch be as good? |
| 21:54.27 | CBG | Is that the village the gay guy from Little Britain is from? |
| 21:54.28 | Mr_Molez | CBG: guess you don't watch little britain :P |
| 21:54.33 | CBG | right. I don't. |
| 21:54.34 | Mr_Molez | Gnurdux: cuz it rulez and stuff |
| 21:54.49 | Mr_Molez | CBG: yeh hehehe |
| 21:54.51 | Gnurdux | Mr_Molez, wouldnt it be fine to do it as a patch |
| 21:54.55 | CBG | Mr_Molez: it sucks 95%... |
| 21:55.01 | Mr_Molez | Gnurdux: sure what ever |
| 21:55.10 | Mr_Molez | CBG: gay guy and vicky is cool :P |
| 21:55.15 | Gnurdux | so in commands.cxx |
| 21:55.48 | Gnurdux | ill figure out how to do it |
| 21:55.50 | Mr_Molez | Gnurdux: I got some 1 originally to hard code it. But they said it was too hard and it would be easier to do a plugin.. |
| 21:55.52 | CBG | the guy in wheelchair who climbs up a tree, dives into a pool, beats up the chaves, is cool. the rest sucks. |
| 21:56.13 | Mr_Molez | ohh ohh yeh him aswell.. monster trucks monster trucks ! |
| 21:56.23 | CBG | Plugin coding is softer? |
| 21:56.38 | Mr_Molez | CBG: seems so ;) |
| 21:56.46 | CBG | :P |
| 22:04.46 | Gnurdux | Mr_Molez, lol |
| 22:05.29 | Gnurdux | Mr_Molez, describe teh purpose again? |
| 22:05.54 | Mr_Molez | ok |
| 22:07.30 | Gnurdux | Mr_Molez |
| 22:07.35 | Mr_Molez | when some people want to match.... they use the /countdown command to start a timed game of 30 minutes (usually)... so they issue the command /countdown 10 (10 being to countdown till the timer for the 30 minute match begins).. what i was is for /record start to be bound to the /countdown command so when the timer begins so does the recording |
| 22:08.03 | menotume | pimpi has that patch |
| 22:08.06 | menotume | for 1v1 |
| 22:08.18 | Gnurdux | ah |
| 22:08.24 | Gnurdux | then get it from them |
| 22:08.37 | CBG | heh... |
| 22:08.45 | Gnurdux | why redo it? |
| 22:08.50 | Gnurdux | CBG, whats heh about |
| 22:08.55 | Mr_Molez | but that patch doesn't do timed matches it only does score |
| 22:09.04 | CBG | Molez has asked so many times for this.... |
| 22:09.05 | Gnurdux | ah |
| 22:09.10 | menotume | huh ? |
| 22:09.15 | Mr_Molez | menotume: right ? |
| 22:09.35 | menotume | not 100% sure, but 1v1 matches are started with /countdown aren;t they ? |
| 22:09.46 | Mr_Molez | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:09.58 | menotume | ahh |
| 22:10.13 | menotume | well, it records by match, so some/most of the logic is there |
| 22:10.19 | Mr_Molez | anyway.. once the countdown timer has finished i need that to be bound to /record save filename |
| 22:10.24 | menotume | and, i would assume that it's easy anyway |
| 22:10.46 | menotume | but, i would do it with a server command-line option, not a plgugin |
| 22:10.49 | menotume | cause .. |
| 22:11.12 | menotume | you may not even be able to do it with a plugin, and is hould only be a few lines of cde |
| 22:11.21 | Gnurdux | menotume, it cant be done with a plugin |
| 22:11.25 | Gnurdux | it needs to be hardcoded |
| 22:11.33 | menotume | plugins do know when a match is atrted and ended |
| 22:11.38 | Gnurdux | it could be made a COmmandLine option |
| 22:11.41 | Gnurdux | menotume, they do? |
| 22:11.45 | menotume | but, i don't think plugins can record |
| 22:11.49 | menotume | sure |
| 22:11.53 | Gnurdux | is htere a record bzfs API ? |
| 22:11.56 | Gnurdux | hmmm lemme checl |
| 22:12.00 | menotume | probably not |
| 22:12.16 | Mr_Molez | the plugin itself wont record. All the plugin would do is issue the command /record to the server |
| 22:12.25 | Mr_Molez | but I would prefer it to be hardcoded myself |
| 22:12.29 | Gnurdux | / Record-Replay |
| 22:12.29 | Gnurdux | BZF_API bool bz_saveRecBuf( const char * _filename, int seconds); |
| 22:12.34 | menotume | only if that command is implemented for pluygins :) |
| 22:12.39 | menotume | ahhh |
| 22:12.58 | Gnurdux | thats it tho |
| 22:12.58 | menotume | so, it probably can be done with plugin |
| 22:13.05 | Gnurdux | no command to initiate recordine |
| 22:13.16 | menotume | ohhh |
| 22:14.03 | Mr_Molez | menotume: does pimpi use a plugin or hardcode ? |
| 22:14.06 | menotume | so, look at pimpi's patch, and change as needed |
| 22:14.09 | menotume | hardcode |
| 22:14.17 | Mr_Molez | menotume: is that available anywhere ? |
| 22:14.26 | menotume | dunno |
| 22:14.34 | Gnurdux | Mr_Molez, i can make you a patch |
| 22:14.39 | Mr_Molez | Gnurdux: :D |
| 22:14.51 | Gnurdux | maybe |
| 22:14.55 | Mr_Molez | :( |
| 22:16.11 | Gnurdux | Mr_Molez, what do i get out of it? |
| 22:16.17 | Mr_Molez | $5 ? |
| 22:16.17 | Gnurdux | and what server does it get run on |
| 22:16.19 | Gnurdux | lol |
| 22:16.27 | Mr_Molez | umm.. ducati-style.bzflag.org |
| 22:16.56 | Gnurdux | TimeKeeper gameStartTime; |
| 22:17.01 | Gnurdux | what is a match? |
| 22:17.17 | Mr_Molez | ~dict match |
| 22:17.28 | Gnurdux | in this case |
| 22:17.30 | Mr_Molez | uhhuh |
| 22:17.31 | menotume | hehe |
| 22:17.37 | menotume | see the HoldTheFlagplugin |
| 22:17.45 | menotume | i use it there |
| 22:17.50 | Gnurdux | LOL |
| 22:17.57 | Gnurdux | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:18.03 | Gnurdux | thats in the code |
| 22:18.17 | Gnurdux | im trying to see where in the coe the match starts |
| 22:18.37 | menotume | oh |
| 22:18.53 | menotume | maybe look for where the API event is set for bz_eGameStartEvent |
| 22:19.08 | Gnurdux | bz_eGameStartEvent, |
| 22:19.08 | Gnurdux | bz_eGameEndEvent, |
| 22:19.14 | Gnurdux | i dont think thats for matches |
| 22:19.15 | menotume | yup |
| 22:19.21 | menotume | yes it is |
| 22:19.24 | Gnurdux | you sure? |
| 22:19.33 | Mr_Molez | thats the counter aint it ? |
| 22:19.33 | Gnurdux | /gameover works with no match going |
| 22:19.33 | menotume | yep, i use it for HoldTheFlag |
| 22:19.41 | menotume | yes, it does |
| 22:19.56 | menotume | you'll need to set a flag on match start |
| 22:20.06 | menotume | ignore gameover if the flag isn't set |
| 22:20.14 | Gnurdux | if (readySetGo == 0) { |
| 22:20.14 | Gnurdux | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:20.17 | Gnurdux | here we go |
| 22:20.28 | Gnurdux | whats HoldTheFlag? |
| 22:20.44 | menotume | a plugin i wrote - keeps score for HoldTheFlag matches |
| 22:21.03 | menotume | HTF is where all join on one team, and try to cap their own gflag :) |
| 22:22.00 | menotume | i'm off for a bit |
| 22:22.07 | menotume | gl in coding Mr_Molez :P |
| 22:22.08 | Mr_Molez | menotume: cu thanks babe :) |
| 22:22.12 | menotume | heh |
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| 22:28.36 | Pimpinella | Mr_Molez: searching for what? |
| 22:29.12 | Mr_Molez | Pimpinella: I was just wondering if the source code to your 1v1 plugin to record matches was available |
| 22:29.58 | Pimpinella | should be in the last versin of it i posted to sf patches section |
| 22:30.20 | Mr_Molez | Pimpinella: thanks |
| 22:30.44 | Pimpinella | it's somewhat spread among the code though, maybe doing it in a plugin might be easier |
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| 22:31.37 | Pimpinella | the API is prepared to use recording functions from plugins, and game start and end events are covered too iirc |
| 22:31.50 | Gnurdux | wegstar, i submitted 2 bzflag patches today |
| 22:31.53 | Gnurdux | Pimpinella, no |
| 22:32.02 | Pimpinella | Gnurdux: no what? |
| 22:32.03 | Gnurdux | the API only supports 1 record function |
| 22:32.07 | Gnurdux | justt to save to file |
| 22:32.16 | Pimpinella | ic |
| 22:32.16 | Gnurdux | doesnt support starting or stopping |
| 22:32.16 | wegstar | ah |
| 22:32.21 | Mr_Molez | Jeff said he added stuff to the api to support /record for plugins |
| 22:32.23 | wegstar | :) |
| 22:32.24 | Gnurdux | wegstar, Mr_Molez wants a plugin |
| 22:32.35 | Gnurdux | anyway wegstar check the patches |
| 22:32.38 | Gnurdux | they are both cool |
| 22:32.39 | Pimpinella | Gnurdux: if you start the server with -recbuf thats no problem |
| 22:32.40 | wegstar | k |
| 22:32.51 | Gnurdux | ah |
| 22:33.01 | Gnurdux | Pimpinella, what does -recbuf do? |
| 22:33.04 | Mr_Molez | What about game pauses ? |
| 22:33.22 | Gnurdux | Pimpinella, what Mr_Molez wants: something that records while a match is going on |
| 22:33.37 | Pimpinella | -recbuf starts the server with a round robin record buffer |
| 22:33.48 | Gnurdux | Pimpinella, what does that mean? |
| 22:34.42 | Pimpinella | -recbuf 32 will record 32 MB of data and start to overwrite the oldest data if the buffer is filled |
| 22:35.22 | Gnurdux | hmm |
| 22:35.44 | Pimpinella | so you can use the API record function to record any amound of seconds presumed the buffer can keep it |
| 22:35.45 | Gnurdux | Mr_Molez, so you want record to start on readySetGo |
| 22:35.49 | Gnurdux | you want it to stop |
| 22:35.52 | Pimpinella | Mr_Molez: surely noz |
| 22:35.57 | Pimpinella | not |
| 22:36.18 | Pimpinella | hardcoded means you have to maintain your patches |
| 22:36.18 | Gnurdux | at pause |
| 22:36.25 | Gnurdux | you want it to restart after pause |
| 22:36.40 | Gnurdux | you want it to stop when match ends |
| 22:36.45 | Mr_Molez | yep |
| 22:36.49 | Gnurdux | so basically to bind recording to the match |
| 22:37.09 | Pimpinella | i stopped to cont how many times i had to work on 1vs1 to make it work on recent cvs |
| 22:37.12 | Gnurdux | we could even remove /record |
| 22:37.28 | Pimpinella | no, /record makes sense |
| 22:37.32 | JeffM2501 | not all valid recordings are done on a "match" |
| 22:37.38 | Gnurdux | Pimpinella, not if it will be bound to matches |
| 22:37.42 | Mr_Molez | Pimpinella: Are you sure recbuf will work with pauses ? |
| 22:37.43 | Gnurdux | fine, so it should be a plugin |
| 22:37.53 | Pimpinella | Mr_Molez: definately |
| 22:38.03 | JeffM2501 | in the end, everything should be a plugin :) |
| 22:38.14 | Pimpinella | the pauses will be recorded |
| 22:38.17 | Gnurdux | Pimpinella, how could it be done to make sure no information is lost? |
| 22:38.40 | Pimpinella | aaaaah, i get what you mean |
| 22:38.58 | Gnurdux | Pimpinella, how could it? |
| 22:39.08 | Pimpinella | not really sure, the original game start time is lost iirc |
| 22:39.11 | Pimpinella | on pause |
| 22:39.30 | Mr_Molez | ok so just record till the countdown ends |
| 22:39.43 | Gnurdux | Pimpinella, how could you do that with a recbuf |
| 22:39.53 | Gnurdux | to insure that none is ever lost |
| 22:40.06 | Gnurdux | you could once a second write the last second |
| 22:40.10 | Gnurdux | would that be slow? |
| 22:40.15 | Pimpinella | Gnurdux: you can never ensure that no data is ever lost |
| 22:40.15 | Mr_Molez | make a large buffer ? |
| 22:40.37 | Gnurdux | Mr_Molez, you'll have to fiure out how to do it |
| 22:40.50 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, i have an idea for a useful API function |
| 22:41.00 | Gnurdux | runCommand |
| 22:41.04 | JeffM2501 | can't |
| 22:41.11 | Gnurdux | that would run a / command |
| 22:41.13 | Gnurdux | why not>? |
| 22:41.13 | JeffM2501 | commands assume a player |
| 22:41.20 | Gnurdux | hmm |
| 22:41.23 | JeffM2501 | when run by a plugin they would not have a player |
| 22:41.24 | Gnurdux | set the player to SERVER |
| 22:41.30 | Gnurdux | whatever that is |
| 22:41.42 | JeffM2501 | there is no player data record for "SERVER" |
| 22:41.46 | Gnurdux | ah |
| 22:41.46 | JeffM2501 | we've talked about it before |
| 22:41.52 | JeffM2501 | we just need to expose all the commands |
| 22:41.53 | Pimpinella | ServerPlayer has no object |
| 22:42.08 | JeffM2501 | exactly |
| 22:42.33 | Gnurdux | so are / commands passed a player data record? |
| 22:42.38 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 22:42.40 | Gnurdux | one solution is to create one |
| 22:42.43 | JeffM2501 | by the text message parser |
| 22:42.46 | Gnurdux | create a SERVER record |
| 22:42.47 | JeffM2501 | that's a hack |
| 22:42.50 | JeffM2501 | a HUGE hack |
| 22:42.54 | Gnurdux | yup |
| 22:43.00 | Gnurdux | but it would work |
| 22:43.06 | JeffM2501 | the better solution is to implement every / command in an arbitrary way |
| 22:43.21 | Gnurdux | is that solution practical? |
| 22:43.23 | JeffM2501 | if you want something that just "works" do what the bzchron does |
| 22:43.26 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
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| 22:43.33 | Gnurdux | whats bzchron? |
| 22:43.35 | JeffM2501 | and it cleans up the command code a liot |
| 22:43.37 | JeffM2501 | a plugin |
| 22:43.46 | Gnurdux | what does it do? |
| 22:43.50 | JeffM2501 | it's just the person who redid the command stuff didn't agree with me |
| 22:43.54 | JeffM2501 | cus they don't like the api |
| 22:44.00 | JeffM2501 | go look at it, and SEE |
| 22:44.02 | Pimpinella | ;) |
| 22:44.21 | Gnurdux | its not in their |
| 22:44.52 | Pimpinella | IF you redo commands make sure that not done overloading operator() again |
| 22:45.06 | JeffM2501 | god I hate that |
| 22:45.20 | Gnurdux | whats wrong with operator ()\ |
| 22:45.31 | JeffM2501 | it gets confusing when it dosn;'t make sense |
| 22:45.37 | Gnurdux | i suppose |
| 22:45.46 | JeffM2501 | and it allmost never makes sense |
| 22:45.58 | Pimpinella | and even now we need helper functions outside the command classes |
| 22:46.00 | JeffM2501 | I'm just more of a callback / derived class kinda guy |
| 22:46.26 | JeffM2501 | if I redid it I'd do it with the same kinda registration thing as the API does |
| 22:46.36 | Pimpinella | ack |
| 22:47.01 | JeffM2501 | but have each logical function call a specific command |
| 22:47.06 | JeffM2501 | that both the API and the internals can use |
| 22:47.36 | Gnurdux | Your search - bzchron - did not match any documents. |
| 22:47.48 | JeffM2501 | sucks to be you then |
| 22:47.51 | bryjen | cron has no h |
| 22:47.55 | Pimpinella | Gnurdux, Mr_Molez i started redoing the countdown stuff, no idea when i'll have time to finish that, but probably that will ease your recording tasks a lot |
| 22:48.06 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501 spelled it one |
| 22:48.15 | JeffM2501 | and I allways spell prefectly? |
| 22:48.19 | Mr_Molez | Pimpinella: cool :) |
| 22:48.21 | Gnurdux | Pimpinella, your rewriting /countdown? |
| 22:48.40 | Pimpinella | whoe game timer code |
| 22:48.40 | Gnurdux | gnurdux@Mikey:~$ grep -R bzcron bzflag-cvs/ |
| 22:48.40 | Gnurdux | gnurdux@Mikey:~$ |
| 22:48.44 | Pimpinella | it's a whole mess |
| 22:48.47 | Gnurdux | and its not in google either |
| 22:49.12 | JeffM2501 | I never said it was in bzflags source tree |
| 22:49.58 | Pimpinella | nite |
| 22:50.17 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, but its not in google |
| 22:50.21 | Gnurdux | so how am i to find it? |
| 22:50.23 | JeffM2501 | OHHH NO |
| 22:50.29 | JeffM2501 | then it MUST NOT EXIST |
| 22:50.33 | JeffM2501 | you need to use your brain |
| 22:50.38 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, i dont know where |
| 22:50.42 | Gnurdux | its not in the CVS repo |
| 22:50.44 | JeffM2501 | where else would people talk about plugins? |
| 22:50.44 | Gnurdux | at all |
| 22:50.51 | Gnurdux | #bzchat |
| 22:50.54 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 22:51.02 | Gnurdux | where? |
| 22:51.07 | JeffM2501 | I dono.. maybe some form of offical FOURM |
| 22:51.21 | Gnurdux | oh lol |
| 22:51.39 | JeffM2501 | ya know, it's got those 2 plugin specific sections |
| 22:53.13 | Gnurdux | bzfscron allows you to run arbitrary / commands on a schedule. It supports a very complete crontab parser that closely approximates those found on most modern *nix systems. See the ReadMe for more details. |
| 22:53.24 | JeffM2501 | Amazing |
| 22:56.08 | Gnurdux | waot |
| 22:56.21 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, it seems to just put a bot on the server to do the / commands |
| 22:56.23 | Gnurdux | that suc |
| 22:56.24 | Gnurdux | x |
| 22:56.28 | JeffM2501 | but "it works" |
| 22:56.41 | Gnurdux | but it would cause trouble |
| 22:56.46 | Gnurdux | what if the bot got kicked |
| 22:56.55 | JeffM2501 | config your server so it dosn't |
| 22:57.03 | JeffM2501 | it's not retard proof |
| 22:57.06 | JeffM2501 | and it's hack |
| 22:57.07 | Gnurdux | true |
| 22:57.10 | bryjen | read the post |
| 22:57.11 | JeffM2501 | but it works |
| 22:57.44 | JeffM2501 | it is the reason WHY we had the discusson of the best way to do it |
| 22:57.57 | Mr_Molez | JeffM2501: I don't suppose you want to give me a clue on a command to make vocaliser do something once its loaded |
| 22:58.06 | Gnurdux | Mr_Molez, read the sourc |
| 22:58.07 | Gnurdux | e |
| 22:58.12 | Gnurdux | actually |
| 22:58.15 | Gnurdux | ill tell you the command |
| 22:58.35 | JeffM2501 | Mr_Molez, did you config it right? |
| 22:58.51 | JeffM2501 | and give it voices, sounds, and text? |
| 22:59.07 | Mr_Molez | JeffM2501: I can't find any documentation anywhere :) |
| 22:59.16 | Gnurdux | playsnd |
| 22:59.20 | Gnurdux | setvoice |
| 22:59.25 | Gnurdux | listvoices |
| 22:59.29 | JeffM2501 | Mr_Molez, that's because it's not documented |
| 22:59.29 | Gnurdux | listvoiceitems |
| 22:59.35 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, dude /msg man |
| 22:59.38 | Mr_Molez | ok. But what trigers the audio |
| 22:59.46 | JeffM2501 | and those won't work unless he configs it right |
| 22:59.49 | Gnurdux | what does vocaliser do? |
| 22:59.59 | JeffM2501 | Mr_Molez, the voices.txt |
| 23:00.12 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, dude you just told him the commands and you don't even know what it does? |
| 23:00.14 | Mr_Molez | JeffM2501: thanks |
| 23:00.19 | Mr_Molez | lol |
| 23:00.24 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, i read the source |
| 23:00.29 | Gnurdux | not read |
| 23:00.30 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, not all of it |
| 23:00.30 | Gnurdux | looked at |
| 23:00.32 | Gnurdux | skimmed |
| 23:00.43 | JeffM2501 | if you don't know what your talking about then please don't offer 1/2 comments |
| 23:00.57 | Gnurdux | Molez asked for commands |
| 23:01.01 | Gnurdux | i gave him commands |
| 23:01.14 | JeffM2501 | he asked how to use it |
| 23:01.26 | JeffM2501 | all you did was add confusion |
| 23:01.29 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501: I don't suppose you want to give me a clue on a command to make vocaliser do something once its loaded |
| 23:01.34 | JeffM2501 | because the plugin is only 1/2 the commands |
| 23:01.34 | Gnurdux | thats what he said |
| 23:01.36 | Gnurdux | a command |
| 23:01.43 | JeffM2501 | and you didn't know that it's not just the commands |
| 23:01.55 | JeffM2501 | so again I ask you to not say things when you arn't sure |
| 23:02.08 | JeffM2501 | the config is the bigest part of that plugin |
| 23:02.10 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, what does it do? |
| 23:02.16 | JeffM2501 | read the source |
| 23:02.26 | Gnurdux | i cant figure it out just from the source |
| 23:02.26 | Mr_Molez | I was actually refering to mainly the actions a person must do :) |
| 23:02.49 | JeffM2501 | Mr_Molez, you have to set up the config with every wave file, it's command and it's text |
| 23:02.55 | JeffM2501 | and a URL to the wave file |
| 23:03.06 | Mr_Molez | JeffM2501: ok thanks |
| 23:03.18 | JeffM2501 | there is a sample in the source dir |
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| 23:04.18 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, what is it for? |
| 23:04.28 | JeffM2501 | playing remote sounds |
| 23:04.41 | Gnurdux | the client supports that? |
| 23:04.47 | JeffM2501 | some do |
| 23:04.49 | JeffM2501 | some crash |
| 23:04.55 | Gnurdux | what version is needed? |
| 23:04.58 | JeffM2501 | dono |
| 23:05.07 | Gnurdux | 2.0.4? |
| 23:05.11 | JeffM2501 | probably not |
| 23:05.19 | Gnurdux | i run 2.0.4 as my client |
| 23:05.24 | Gnurdux | but 2.0.5 as my server |
| 23:05.27 | JeffM2501 | umm ok.. I'm happy for you |
| 23:05.32 | JeffM2501 | do you want a cookie now? |
| 23:05.34 | Gnurdux | lol |
| 23:05.41 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure you are |
| 23:05.47 | Gnurdux | is there any reason to run a 2.0.5 client? |
| 23:05.55 | JeffM2501 | 2.0.5 has more stuff |
| 23:06.08 | Gnurdux | such as? |
| 23:06.10 | Gnurdux | fog right |
| 23:06.16 | JeffM2501 | read the changelog |
| 23:06.23 | JeffM2501 | and commits |
| 23:06.45 | Gnurdux | can you commit my patch(s) |
| 23:06.48 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 23:06.58 | Gnurdux | you cant? |
| 23:07.02 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 23:07.06 | Gnurdux | why? |
| 23:07.14 | JeffM2501 | I'm not patch enabled |
| 23:07.17 | JeffM2501 | I don't use linux |
| 23:07.17 | wegstar | hehe |
| 23:07.29 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, you COULD use cygwin |
| 23:07.32 | Gnurdux | or mingw |
| 23:07.32 | blast007 | ick |
| 23:07.36 | blast007 | cygwin... |
| 23:07.36 | JeffM2501 | no, no I can't |
| 23:07.44 | JeffM2501 | there are tons of patches in front of you as well |
| 23:07.48 | JeffM2501 | what makes yours special? |
| 23:07.51 | wegstar | Gnurdux :) |
| 23:07.52 | Gnurdux | nothing |
| 23:07.59 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, some are from January |
| 23:08.08 | JeffM2501 | then you get to wait like everyone else |
| 23:08.15 | Gnurdux | why doesnt someone just do em all |
| 23:08.19 | brlcad | if someone wants to see a really big picture of bzflag's source, http://bzflag.bz/bz.png |
| 23:08.29 | Gnurdux | The image ?http://bzflag.bz/bz.png? cannot be displayed, because it contains errors. |
| 23:08.31 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, it takes time |
| 23:08.31 | brlcad | warning, it's big.. might crash stuff |
| 23:08.39 | wegstar | noooo!!! |
| 23:08.48 | JeffM2501 | it does contauin errrs |
| 23:09.05 | brad2901 | what size is it brlcad ? |
| 23:09.12 | brad2901 | wonder if dial-up can handle it :P |
| 23:09.15 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, are all of the patches on there still not incorporated? |
| 23:09.22 | brlcad | brad2901: about 80GB |
| 23:09.27 | brlcad | er MB |
| 23:09.28 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, you could also ask, why hasn't anyone fixed the bugs that let people cheat.. the answer is the same. "because noone has" |
| 23:09.33 | brad2901 | heh I won't try then :) |
| 23:09.38 | brlcad | compressed |
| 23:09.42 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, look at there status |
| 23:09.46 | Gnurdux | status |
| 23:09.55 | Gnurdux | there is no status |
| 23:10.01 | JeffM2501 | most patches don't get inorporated |
| 23:10.04 | brlcad | it doesn't have errors.. it's just a much larger image than most png viewers will handle |
| 23:10.11 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 23:10.16 | JeffM2501 | firefox won't view it |
| 23:10.22 | blast007 | heh |
| 23:10.26 | brlcad | safari can't either |
| 23:10.26 | wegstar | :) |
| 23:10.40 | brad2901 | I bet IE can, IE is the best |
| 23:10.50 | brad2901 | yay |
| 23:10.53 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, cant you just bite the bullet and download patch? |
| 23:10.59 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, no |
| 23:11.05 | Mr_Molez | I thought the text was the image ? |
| 23:11.07 | Gnurdux | why not? |
| 23:11.13 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, cus I don't want to |
| 23:11.19 | Gnurdux | :( |
| 23:11.22 | brlcad | Gnurdux: you know -- playing the role of the annoying patch maker isn't the best way to get people to try/test/commit your patch |
| 23:11.25 | Gnurdux | how many are there in front of mine |
| 23:11.27 | JeffM2501 | where does it say I have to indulge every single one of your little requests? |
| 23:11.38 | wegstar | Gnurdux: be patient :) |
| 23:11.46 | brlcad | Gnurdux: how many patches are on the patches list? |
| 23:11.51 | Mr_Molez | uhhuh 78mb |
| 23:11.55 | Gnurdux | wegstar, but it probably wont be put in until it stops working |
| 23:12.03 | Gnurdux | given the way the patches seem to work |
| 23:12.10 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, then it's the job of the patch applyer to make it work |
| 23:12.10 | wegstar | ;) |
| 23:12.12 | Gnurdux | noone ever bothers to incorporate them |
| 23:12.29 | brlcad | they get incorporated all the time |
| 23:12.32 | Gnurdux | wegstar, it will probably be like 6 monthjs tho |
| 23:12.35 | JeffM2501 | actualy what we do it look at them, if they are good ideas we implement them in the "normal" way |
| 23:12.40 | wegstar | not really.. it depends.. |
| 23:12.46 | JeffM2501 | making it as generic as possible |
| 23:12.50 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, ah, you dont actually use the patches |
| 23:12.56 | JeffM2501 | sometimes we do |
| 23:12.57 | brlcad | it's just you're being annoying so you're losing interest from people that could |
| 23:13.01 | JeffM2501 | but they usualy need work |
| 23:13.09 | JeffM2501 | yeah your freaking mega anoying dude |
| 23:13.10 | brlcad | almost always need work |
| 23:13.20 | Gnurdux | heh im sure mine do |
| 23:13.27 | brlcad | and regardless, they still have to be tested and that takes time |
| 23:13.40 | Gnurdux | brlcad, who can? |
| 23:13.46 | JeffM2501 | people are also more inclined to work on important ones |
| 23:13.54 | JeffM2501 | not the mini "would be nice" ones |
| 23:14.04 | JeffM2501 | usualy the little ones are gone over in a pass right before a release |
| 23:14.05 | brlcad | who can what? |
| 23:14.24 | Gnurdux | brlcad, apply patches |
| 23:14.34 | JeffM2501 | any developer with CVS access |
| 23:14.41 | Gnurdux | i see |
| 23:14.48 | brlcad | at the annoyance rate you're pressing, not many |
| 23:15.02 | brlcad | if you just chilled, it will likely happen faster |
| 23:15.47 | JeffM2501 | yeah, I mean seriously, did you like power down on pure sugar for lunch? |
| 23:16.01 | Gnurdux | no |
| 23:16.05 | Gnurdux | im just impatient |
| 23:16.10 | wegstar | :) |
| 23:16.17 | blast007 | Gnurdux: really? |
| 23:16.20 | JeffM2501 | what's your rush? |
| 23:16.24 | Gnurdux | nothing |
| 23:16.27 | JeffM2501 | will the world end if it's not done NOW |
| 23:16.35 | JeffM2501 | then you have subited it, thanks |
| 23:16.44 | JeffM2501 | somone will look at it eventualy, that's how it works |
| 23:18.18 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, how do you do CVS if you dont run something unixy? |
| 23:18.30 | brlcad | if you did it good, and tested it -- it will likely be commited quickly |
| 23:18.33 | JeffM2501 | umm with a cvs client |
| 23:18.40 | wegstar | :) |
| 23:18.44 | JeffM2501 | cvs isn't just a unix thing |
| 23:18.46 | Gnurdux | brlcad, i sort of tested it |
| 23:18.52 | JeffM2501 | sort of? |
| 23:18.52 | Gnurdux | i tested on my server |
| 23:19.05 | Gnurdux | a couple times |
| 23:19.09 | brlcad | well, if you're not even confident on the testing, then maybe you should be doing more of that |
| 23:19.10 | Gnurdux | and it works, as far as i can tell |
| 23:19.21 | Gnurdux | im confident, but you probably wouldnt be |
| 23:19.31 | JeffM2501 | you use a debuger and step thru the code making sure it does what you think? |
| 23:19.39 | Gnurdux | no... |
| 23:19.47 | Gnurdux | but the result is what i think |
| 23:19.51 | brlcad | without even looking at it, I wouldn't just blindly commit it |
| 23:19.52 | Gnurdux | or want |
| 23:20.00 | Gnurdux | thats sensible |
| 23:20.04 | Gnurdux | its not much code brlcad tho |
| 23:20.09 | brlcad | i'm sure |
| 23:20.15 | Gnurdux | like 10 lines at most |
| 23:20.23 | brlcad | so keep testing it and thinking about ways to break it |
| 23:20.54 | Gnurdux | crap |
| 23:21.04 | Gnurdux | i put the wrong one somwhere |
| 23:21.05 | wegstar | hmm? |
| 23:21.10 | Gnurdux | bbl |
| 23:21.12 | sgk284 | ahh how i've missed these conversations... lol |
| 23:21.20 | JeffM2501 | it's like the keyboard is hooked RIGHT to his mouth |
| 23:21.42 | Gnurdux | wait no i didnt |
| 23:22.03 | Gnurdux | god |
| 23:22.04 | Gnurdux | good |
| 23:22.05 | wegstar | Gnurdux: Chillax... |
| 23:22.12 | Gnurdux | lol ok |
| 23:22.18 | JeffM2501 | seriously |
| 23:22.29 | Gnurdux | wegstar, can you take a look at my patches while i eat dinner |
| 23:22.33 | Gnurdux | try to bork them |
| 23:22.42 | wegstar | uh... sure... |
| 23:22.44 | wegstar | ok |
| 23:24.25 | JeffM2501 | he is the mad coder.. that what codes at midnight |
| 23:24.52 | blast007 | brlcad: that is a big PNG file...Photoshop is having quite a time trying to open it ;D |
| 23:25.38 | wegstar | he is just more used to "Impatient Fast Paced Development" :) |
| 23:26.11 | blast007 | hah, even Photoshop can't open it |
| 23:26.36 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (CmdLineOptions.cxx TextChunkManager.cxx TextChunkManager.h): (log message trimmed) |
| 23:26.36 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: add a maximum number of lines parameter to the TextChunks so that they only read |
| 23:26.36 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: N lines from a given file. also, if the given file has lines that are longer |
| 23:26.36 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: than MessageLen, then output a marning informing them of that fact instead of |
| 23:26.36 | wegstar | such as our project, aloe -> http://sf.net/projects/aloe |
| 23:26.36 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: just halting the file read there. the maximum line parameter is useful for |
| 23:26.38 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: limiting files (in an informative manner) that cannot effectively be fully |
| 23:26.40 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: displayed, such as displaying files to the chat console in-game where there is a |
| 23:26.49 | wegstar | It practically sprouted up overnight... |
| 23:26.53 | brlcad | blast007: depends on how much memory you have :) |
| 23:26.58 | brlcad | and your version of photoshop |
| 23:27.05 | brlcad | 8 should be able to read it |
| 23:27.10 | blast007 | 768MB of memory |
| 23:27.15 | brlcad | that's all you have? |
| 23:27.18 | blast007 | but only photoshop 7 |
| 23:27.20 | blast007 | laptop |
| 23:27.31 | blast007 | maxes at 2GB |
| 23:27.49 | blast007 | "Cannot open 'c:\bin\bz.png' because of a program error" |
| 23:27.54 | brlcad | 7 should read it too... i bet you ran out of memory |
| 23:28.30 | blast007 | likely |
| 23:28.48 | blast007 | XnView just says right away "Not enough memory" |
| 23:29.30 | brlcad | 23296 x 14570 |
| 23:29.34 | blast007 | lol |
| 23:29.48 | brlcad | it's a print-quality poster |
| 23:30.40 | brlcad | might print it up at siggraph if I can clean it up a little |
| 23:31.49 | brlcad | yeah, that's just over 1GB of memory for the RGBs alone |
| 23:31.55 | brlcad | and there may be an alpha channel |
| 23:32.20 | JeffM2501 | who dosn't have a gig of ram these days? at the least :) |
| 23:32.23 | brlcad | hopefully not the 16bpp initial |
| 23:32.37 | blast007 | JeffM2501: me ;) |
| 23:32.46 | JeffM2501 | luddite ;) |
| 23:33.37 | brlcad | at worst, it shouldn't be bigger than 2.7GB raw (16bpp w/ alpha) |
| 23:34.10 | blast007 | I got a couple "low space on drive c:" warnings during the Photoshop attempt |
| 23:34.16 | JeffM2501 | hah |
| 23:34.34 | brlcad | ah, then you ran out of scratch |
| 23:34.42 | blast007 | I have a second partition that I gave it |
| 23:36.24 | JeffM2501 | I have 2 gigs of ram and 100 gigs of scratch I'll give it a shot |
| 23:36.28 | JeffM2501 | when it downloads |
| 23:38.49 | brlcad | basically, it's all the source smushed together and font-locked (colored based on syntax) into a big poster-size image |
| 23:39.03 | blast007 | I could hook up my 300GB external drive too ;) |
| 23:39.05 | brlcad | so you see patterns based on files/directories |
| 23:39.27 | brlcad | might have seen it from many months ago when I was playing around with that more |
| 23:40.05 | *** join/#bzflag brad2901 (n=brad@unaffiliated/brad2901) |
| 23:40.15 | JeffM2501 | it's about 1/3 done reading it |
| 23:41.28 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (TextChunkManager.cxx TextChunkManager.h): make the default 'unlimited', where a negative number can imply unlimited |
| 23:43.52 | JeffM2501 | and PS has only allocated 1,056,412k of ram :) |
| 23:47.19 | brlcad | ack |
| 23:47.34 | brlcad | forgot that was the branch |
| 23:50.31 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/ (8 files in 3 dirs): the TextChunkManager is a pretty generic concept with general utility, move it from src/bzfs to libCommon (i.e. in include and src/common) |
| 23:55.00 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/m4/ (mkdirp.m4 Makefile.am): add initial mkdirp.m4 file for AM_PROG_MKDIR_P (which the plugins use) in case the system automake being used does not provide it |
