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| 00:03.33 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/include/common.h: undefine isnan, min, max macros if we're going to define them; especially for cases like when std::isnan template func is provided. |
| 00:03.56 | brlcad | hmm.. so i guess i never put the new plugins onto the branch so no harm there |
| 00:14.47 | Gnurdux | brlcad : the 2 patches are: |
| 00:15.17 | Gnurdux | /poll set doesn't create extra variables |
| 00:15.35 | Gnurdux | and /reset * loads config defaults |
| 00:24.17 | Gnurdux | lol |
| 00:24.28 | Gnurdux | brlcad, what should i be testing for? |
| 00:24.35 | CBG | bryjen: a marning? :) |
| 00:24.50 | Gnurdux | warning |
| 00:25.16 | bryjen | CBG: read the commit message about text chunks carefully |
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| 00:28.11 | CBG | bryjen: ahh, hehe :) |
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| 00:46.29 | brlcad | marnings are fun |
| 00:47.04 | brlcad | vertical dyslexicia |
| 00:49.25 | JeffM2501 | heh.. it opened |
| 00:50.05 | brlcad | was that the white on black or black on white one? |
| 00:50.14 | JeffM2501 | black is the background |
| 00:50.56 | brlcad | is the plugin API on the branch more up to date than on head? |
| 00:51.12 | JeffM2501 | I don't know |
| 00:51.14 | JeffM2501 | could be |
| 00:51.27 | JeffM2501 | tho actualy head could be changed |
| 00:51.37 | JeffM2501 | they arn't compatable |
| 00:51.39 | brlcad | pausing/resuming countdowns |
| 00:51.56 | JeffM2501 | may not be |
| 00:52.51 | JeffM2501 | mmm azithromycin..... |
| 00:53.26 | JeffM2501 | thank the gods I only have 2 more days of it |
| 00:55.15 | JeffM2501 | why did you make it 16 bits/chan ? it's not got that much color in it |
| 00:58.14 | brlcad | it wasn't on purpose |
| 00:58.38 | brlcad | the library I was using that renders the text font into the image context only worked with 16bit contexts |
| 00:58.52 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 00:59.13 | brlcad | took care of that in another version, but it worked |
| 00:59.22 | brlcad | i just happened to have that lying around |
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| 01:02.36 | Gnurdux | wegstar, did you check out my patches? |
| 01:02.47 | blast007 | dude... |
| 01:02.49 | Gnurdux | ill be away for an hour |
| 01:02.50 | Gnurdux | TV |
| 01:02.54 | wegstar | no.... |
| 01:02.55 | blast007 | they will be looked at when someone wants to |
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| 01:32.34 | storyteller | Hello all |
| 01:33.01 | storyteller | Could someone please give me the cvs commands please? |
| 01:34.30 | Mr_Molez | ~bzcvs |
| 01:34.32 | ibot | cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P -r v2_0branch bzflag |
| 01:34.39 | storyteller | thank you :) |
| 01:34.43 | Mr_Molez | np :P |
| 01:35.12 | storyteller | I have bad troubles with the stable release, but cvs worked fine last time :) |
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| 02:10.06 | brlcad | good thing CIA-2 is broken |
| 02:10.10 | Gnurdux | why? |
| 02:10.32 | brlcad | because it'd be spamming the channel |
| 02:10.43 | Gnurdux | uh oh |
| 02:10.48 | Gnurdux | what are you committing? |
| 02:14.55 | Gnurdux | i cant reach the CIA site |
| 02:18.51 | brlcad | wonderful things |
| 02:19.46 | Gnurdux | brlcad, such as? |
| 02:19.54 | Gnurdux | well i guess i can find out tomorrow |
| 02:21.15 | brlcad | if you really must know, join the commits mailing list |
| 02:21.37 | Gnurdux | why is CIA down |
| 02:22.20 | blast007 | because the FBI said so |
| 02:22.37 | Gnurdux | lol |
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| 02:42.05 | BenUrban | ... |
| 02:42.07 | BenUrban | haha |
| 02:42.11 | Gnurdux | whaa |
| 02:42.15 | Gnurdux | :( |
| 02:42.16 | blast007 | it's already dead |
| 02:42.19 | blast007 | can't kill it twice |
| 02:42.23 | BenUrban | LMAO |
| 02:42.25 | blast007 | ;) |
| 02:42.29 | Gnurdux | ah |
| 02:42.31 | BenUrban | apparently you can :D |
| 02:42.43 | blast007 | .. |
| 02:42.48 | blast007 | what have I started... |
| 02:42.49 | BenUrban | betcha can't kill just one |
| 02:42.51 | BenUrban | lmao |
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| 02:51.31 | Gnurdux | brlcad, what area were you committing too? |
| 02:53.34 | Gnurdux | serverSideBotSample/ |
| 02:54.34 | Gnurdux | why didnt that end up on my cvs checkout? |
| 02:55.53 | Gnurdux | why isnt addServerSide player in my cvs checkout? |
| 02:57.47 | brlcad | you ask too many questions and are taking up too much time to be honest |
| 02:57.55 | brlcad | figure it out |
| 02:58.17 | Gnurdux | brlcad, is it "unstable" or something? |
| 02:58.38 | brlcad | are you even listening? |
| 02:59.11 | Gnurdux | wait i see |
| 02:59.19 | Gnurdux | this one online is the 2.1 branch |
| 02:59.35 | brlcad | you get one question per hour, any more and consider yourlself warned |
| 02:59.46 | brlcad | the patience of the fist hath run out |
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| 03:04.25 | brlcad | ooh, lookie |
| 03:05.10 | mbfg | howdy |
| 03:05.21 | mbfg | you've been busy |
| 03:05.37 | brlcad | heh, did I wake you with all the e-mails? :) |
| 03:05.45 | mbfg | heh |
| 03:05.48 | mbfg | yup |
| 03:05.55 | brlcad | "you've got mail.. you've got mail.. you've.." |
| 03:08.13 | mbfg | what's the fashizzle in bz land? |
| 03:10.33 | brlcad | heh |
| 03:10.57 | brlcad | well, I'm trying to wrap up 2.0.6 so we can release |
| 03:11.11 | mbfg | cool |
| 03:11.18 | brlcad | few loose ends to tie up, a bug to check on OO |
| 03:12.04 | brlcad | trepan has this mega commit that puts the fear of jeebus in me about to go in any day now |
| 03:12.16 | mbfg | w00t! |
| 03:12.21 | mbfg | trepan is good for that! |
| 03:12.28 | brlcad | yep |
| 03:12.56 | brlcad | i was about to rip configure.ac a new one before i got sidetracked commiting some old mods i had lying around |
| 03:15.35 | blast007 | poor CIA... |
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| 03:17.31 | trepan | brlcad: no need for fear, if you do have plans for a 2.0.6, let 'er rip; i find my patience renewed :) |
| 03:18.54 | brlcad | heh |
| 03:19.11 | brlcad | the fear was just in general.. not for 2.0.6 |
| 03:19.21 | brlcad | you have branch mods too? |
| 03:20.27 | trepan | it's all based in branch, not 2.1 if that's what you mean |
| 03:21.22 | brlcad | oh my |
| 03:21.30 | brlcad | i thought that was all head work :) |
| 03:21.52 | trepan | i refused to touch head, because of its mistiming ;) |
| 03:32.26 | brlcad | CIA-3: (3 files in 3 dirs) "also refactor the line length limit of TextChunkManagers so that we're not tied to global.h and/or MessageLen. the buffer array in TextChunk needs to die, but this should suffice for now, utilizing the lesser of a specified buffer size and the specified line length if non-negative" |
| 03:36.15 | mbfg | TextChunkManager.cxx removed from src\bzfs? |
| 03:37.33 | brlcad | yes |
| 03:37.36 | brlcad | moved to src/common |
| 03:37.43 | brlcad | and include/ |
| 03:37.58 | mbfg | k |
| 03:37.58 | brlcad | so .. windows build probably broken.. |
| 03:38.01 | mbfg | yup |
| 03:38.02 | mbfg | fixing |
| 03:38.04 | brlcad | :) |
| 03:38.09 | brlcad | i'm good for that |
| 03:39.54 | mbfg | w00t! now i can say i made my 2006 checkin |
| 03:40.24 | mbfg | wow CIA passed out! |
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| 03:40.51 | mbfg | couldn't get over the source of the checkin message |
| 03:43.34 | brlcad | hehe |
| 03:43.48 | brlcad | cia's been misbehaving for 3-4 hours, navi.cx seems to be down |
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| 04:04.35 | brlcad | CIA-3: bzflag/HEAD (3 files in 3 dirs) "merge max line changes from v2_0branch to HEAD" |
| 04:10.00 | brlcad | CIA-null: bzflag/HEAD (src/bzflag/ControlPanel.cxx) "reformat comment to block instead of a bunch of lines, mention how it 'would be nice' if the maximum number of lines per scroll page were configurable" |
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| 04:19.07 | brlcad | CIA-3: bzflag/v2_0branch (src/bzflag/ControlPanel.cxx) "merge from head, clean up printing of long rule lines" |
| 04:24.43 | brlcad | and a bunch of others |
| 04:25.03 | blast007 | hehe |
| 04:25.36 | blast007 | 16BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/ (3 files in 3 dirs): merge max line changes from v2_0branch to HEAD |
| 04:25.39 | blast007 | ;) |
| 04:26.03 | brlcad | :) |
| 04:27.48 | bryjen | probly harmless, but i'm getting messages from libpng about compression when running bzflag |
| 04:29.48 | trepan | yup, haven't bothered to squelch it |
| 04:31.06 | trepan | you can undef HAVE_SDL_IMAGE if it bugs ya ;) |
| 04:38.34 | brlcad | BZFlag: brlcad * bzflag/configure.ac: add labels for each of the major sections along with a variety of FIXMEs where extensive work is needed |
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| 04:49.38 | brlcad | BZFlag: brlcad * bzflag/src/date/buildDate.cxx: update configure.ac as well until m4 magic gets added |
| 04:52.35 | brlcad | BZFlag: brlcad * bzflag/configure.ac: update to the new AC_INIT and AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE form, specifying the minimum version requirements that coincide with autogen.sh. since you can't call any shell before AC_INIT, this necessarily means the version needs to also go here until some m4 magic can be added. |
| 04:53.36 | brlcad | hmm.. that should be enough damage for now |
| 04:53.49 | brlcad | maybe let that settle, see if any problems snuck in |
| 04:55.39 | brlcad | BZFlag: brlcad * bzflag/TODO: make sure there are no outstanding serious bugs (e.g. check OO) |
| 04:57.27 | brlcad | BZFlag: brlcad * bzflag/TODO: prepare for 2.0.6 release soon, any issues/objections? |
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| 07:04.07 | BinarySpike | I've settup an iBZEdit IRC room at #ibzedit |
| 07:04.33 | BinarySpike | Just if you guys need to redirect ppl I'll try to be on it as much as I'm on my computer ;-) |
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| 13:11.43 | Alphax | are any special options required for the broadcast discovery mode to work on a local network, using 2.0.4 on Mac OS X ? |
| 13:12.22 | Alphax | it keeps telling me that it can't find the listserver - I don't want to contact the list server, I want it to use broadcast discovery! |
| 13:13.18 | Alphax | should I be running bzfs seperately to bzflag itself? |
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| 13:17.52 | brlcad | Alphax: probably will be easier to just run bzfs directly -- it's inside the application bundle |
| 13:18.01 | Alphax | hrm ok |
| 13:18.13 | brlcad | check and make sure it's actually not already running first |
| 13:18.18 | brlcad | ps auxwww|grep bzfs |
| 13:18.19 | Alphax | yeah |
| 13:20.19 | Alphax | is it normal that on a networked system I'd have trouble running bzflag from outside the disk image? eg. I copy it to my desktop and it claims the package is corrupt |
| 13:20.42 | Alphax | package/bundle, forget the exact wording |
| 13:22.06 | Alphax | hrm, I might come back when some more people are awake... |
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| 15:25.36 | Mr_Molez | CBG: what's happening |
| 15:25.43 | CBG | matching :) |
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| 15:47.21 | SportChick | learner: ping |
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| 16:32.15 | learner | SportChick: pong |
| 16:32.30 | menotume | laggy learna |
| 16:32.37 | learner | yeah |
| 16:32.48 | menotume | pretending to be working again |
| 16:32.51 | learner | cvs updates on cron |
| 16:33.15 | menotume | really, egads |
| 16:35.28 | learner | used to be every 10 minutes |
| 16:35.32 | learner | now just on the half hour |
| 16:35.40 | learner | keeps sources up to date automatically |
| 16:35.58 | menotume | sounds serious. maybe i should commit my plugin change |
| 16:36.28 | menotume | keeps bugs up to date automatically :) |
| 16:36.34 | learner | think we should plan for a release in a week or two |
| 16:36.44 | menotume | yayness :) |
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| 16:37.03 | menotume | ok, gonna do some bzfs testing now (that double join event thing) |
| 16:41.29 | brlcad | if you have any show stoppers, or just things like that you'd like to get in, should put them in the TODO so we know when we're ready |
| 16:42.17 | menotume | gotya |
| 16:42.18 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03menotume 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/plugins/HoldTheFlag/ (CHANGELOG.txt HoldTheFlag.cpp): HoldTheFlag plugin: Fixed tie-break logic in scoring, added minor enhancements. |
| 16:42.53 | menotume | we're talking v20 branch, right ? |
| 16:43.05 | brlcad | right |
| 16:43.15 | brlcad | 2.0.6 release |
| 16:43.23 | menotume | :) |
| 16:47.27 | |zongo| | hey all, i wanted to know if you are considering synchronised clocks for Dead Reckoning in some future version |
| 16:48.32 | menotume | it has been discussed |
| 16:48.48 | menotume | i think it's planned for v 6.0 |
| 16:48.50 | |zongo| | (i am referring to the paper http://ww2.cs.fsu.edu/~banavar/accuracy.pdf for those who dont know what im talking about) |
| 16:48.54 | |zongo| | ah cool |
| 16:48.56 | menotume | approx realese, 2014 |
| 16:49.00 | |zongo| | hehe |
| 16:49.08 | |zongo| | more seriously? |
| 16:49.09 | brlcad | |zongo|: quite |
| 16:50.03 | brlcad | more seriously, it's been discussed for years -- have lots of papers on the issue if you're interested |
| 16:50.12 | brlcad | and if you look at the end of that paper you referenced.. |
| 16:50.33 | brlcad | right after the Conclusions section |
| 16:50.54 | |zongo| | yup, i sawe |
| 16:51.06 | |zongo| | i saw the acknoledgments |
| 16:51.25 | |zongo| | i was just asking |
| 16:51.27 | brlcad | agarwaal has another paper that just came out recnetly too |
| 16:51.43 | brlcad | er, aggarwal |
| 16:52.07 | |zongo| | i just wanted to know if it's feasable or not |
| 16:52.13 | brlcad | completely feasible |
| 16:52.17 | |zongo| | and what are the issues |
| 16:52.17 | brlcad | and planned.. |
| 16:52.24 | brlcad | just a matter of time to implement it |
| 16:52.28 | |zongo| | ah ok |
| 16:52.38 | menotume | some logic should be moved to the server first, i would assume |
| 16:52.43 | |zongo| | and the code done by aggarwal & co? |
| 16:52.46 | brlcad | Chestal: you're always a skeptic |
| 16:52.57 | menotume | Chestal: that's why we like you :) |
| 16:52.57 | brlcad | did you read his new paper? I think it was also acm |
| 16:53.10 | Chestal | I'm still all for doing a simulator in which to try these things |
| 16:53.16 | |zongo| | havent read the new one, gonna check it out |
| 16:53.38 | Chestal | no, I only read the above one. it does not lie, but it also does not say anything really interesting IMHO |
| 16:54.00 | |zongo| | it's worth a testing imo |
| 16:54.23 | menotume | wouldn't the path / movements of each tank need to be cahced for a short time (couple of seconds) ? |
| 16:54.45 | menotume | i would think it wouldn't work if they aren't |
| 16:54.53 | Chestal | it has to predict positions |
| 16:55.21 | Chestal | which is wrong each time the tank changes its course of course (with a simplistic prediction) |
| 16:55.32 | menotume | right, that's what i mean |
| 16:55.45 | menotume | you'd have to keep all those shcnges in DR |
| 16:55.51 | menotume | changes in DR |
| 16:55.58 | menotume | for a length of time |
| 16:56.18 | menotume | a couple of seconds, i would think |
| 16:56.31 | Chestal | well, most basic appraoch is to just add a dt (estimated lag) to DR algorithm |
| 16:56.44 | Chestal | which leads to discontinuities in path, though |
| 16:56.45 | menotume | eww |
| 16:56.58 | menotume | ya, talk about cheat accustaions :) |
| 16:57.15 | Chestal | but you cannot really avoid that problem |
| 16:57.22 | menotume | or the poor ME user who avoided a shot but gets killed anyway :) |
| 16:57.29 | Chestal | of course you coudlk say that predicted pos is the real pos |
| 16:57.32 | menotume | well, you could |
| 16:57.50 | menotume | but, kill detection would be delayed a bit |
| 16:57.55 | menotume | but, accurate |
| 16:58.27 | Chestal | I'm sure there are more advanced schemes, maybe some which try to level the disadvantages a bit over the players |
| 16:58.33 | Chestal | with simple scheme, laggy players suffer |
| 16:58.42 | menotume | let the laggers usffer ! |
| 16:58.45 | menotume | hehe |
| 16:59.01 | Chestal | the only network game with some kind of lag handling and prediction I ever used was armagetron |
| 16:59.09 | Chestal | and that sucked in this respect |
| 16:59.31 | Chestal | arguably, lag there is even more important than in bz |
| 17:00.21 | Chestal | should put some students to work on this :-) |
| 17:00.51 | |zongo| | yay ;) |
| 17:01.00 | menotume | I would think that if the server kept track of, let's say one second of tank movements/change of course, and those movments are timestamped in a syncrhonized time, that kill detection could be accurate |
| 17:01.08 | Chestal | I guess I could even find some who would like to work on that stuff |
| 17:01.19 | Chestal | but I don't think my prof would ike it |
| 17:01.21 | menotume | however, only withtin the window of how long movements are cached |
| 17:01.53 | menotume | Chestal ... change the scheme ... defense department, missles |
| 17:02.09 | menotume | global warfare emulation :) |
| 17:02.14 | |zongo| | hehe |
| 17:02.21 | Chestal | hmm, if I could turn it into a simulation-based optimization problem |
| 17:02.21 | menotume | automated trafiic control |
| 17:02.52 | menotume | ya, that's it, automated traffic control, each car having it's own 'cleint' |
| 17:03.39 | menotume | dunno how to eplain shots though :) |
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| 17:09.39 | Chestal | someone got a complex povray scene to render? Most of the submission to irtc don't have source, and those which do are too often just not working out of the box |
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| 17:33.55 | learner | I've uploaded the other DR papers I have to .bz for those interested |
| 17:34.47 | Tupone | hi learner |
| 17:34.48 | learner | since some of them are not distributable, it's a protected page -- query me for access |
| 17:34.58 | learner | http://bzflag.bz/dead-reckoning/ is the place |
| 17:35.02 | learner | howdy Tupone |
| 17:37.09 | learner | the new ones are near the end |
| 17:37.26 | menotume | You Monkey You ! |
| 17:37.45 | learner | oo oo ee ee |
| 17:37.49 | JBdiGriz | Let's not start the monkey business again |
| 17:37.59 | learner | ~fling at JBdiGriz |
| 17:38.01 | ibot | ACTION flings poo at JBdiGriz |
| 17:38.56 | learner | been a couple good car chases in s.d. lately :) |
| 17:39.43 | JBdiGriz | Too many people misunderstand the Taco Bell ads "Runs for the border" |
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| 17:55.48 | learner | fwiw, i believe p7 is aggarwal's new paper |
| 17:56.34 | |zongo| | learner, i'd like to have access to the papers about DR pls |
| 18:16.46 | |zongo| | cu all, thx for the DR discussion :) |
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| 18:51.01 | Tupone | purple_cow: any problem with CIA ? |
| 18:51.39 | JeffM2501 | it was having problems yesterday |
| 18:52.26 | Tupone | ahh, well, even few minutes ago, on #gentoo-commits. but seems ok now |
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| 20:05.54 | randomparticle | hi mr molez |
| 20:06.29 | Mr_Molez | randomparticle: hey :) |
| 20:06.31 | randomparticle | was wondering... could you get around to writing that shot-deflecting code for your server? |
| 20:06.40 | randomparticle | a bit of random spin, you know |
| 20:06.46 | randomparticle | just to liven things up ::) |
| 20:06.48 | Mr_Molez | shot - deflecting ? |
| 20:07.15 | randomparticle | no need to tell anyone. just give each shot a random impulse. they'll never suspect it |
| 20:07.30 | randomparticle | april the 1st would be a good day to go live with this |
| 20:07.33 | Mr_Molez | Uh I think this is the first I have heared about this ? |
| 20:07.49 | randomparticle | snicko here. how're'ya doing? |
| 20:07.59 | Mr_Molez | heheh hey :P |
| 20:08.17 | Mr_Molez | So tell me, what is this shot defecting code ? |
| 20:08.35 | randomparticle | just an idea |
| 20:09.00 | randomparticle | you know, like those crazy golf balls with weights in them that make them roll funny? |
| 20:09.12 | Mr_Molez | heh |
| 20:09.34 | Mr_Molez | for everyone elses bullets except yours right ;) |
| 20:09.40 | randomparticle | would be nice :) |
| 20:09.43 | Mr_Molez | hehe |
| 20:10.13 | CBG | as if *you* need any such advantage... |
| 20:10.33 | randomparticle | i'm afraid qd has taken a rather stern view of goings on at ducati-style, the old curmudgeon |
| 20:10.45 | Mr_Molez | I have noticed :) |
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| 20:11.43 | randomparticle | would've been rather more successful if he'd thought it through before floating the idea of nullifying goodness knows how many matches |
| 20:12.14 | Mr_Molez | I guess he is one of them that can't think straight when he is in a fit of rage :P |
| 20:12.23 | randomparticle | hehe |
| 20:12.40 | Mr_Molez | I have talked to him, he said he will consider allowing the server to play official matches when he learns to trust me again |
| 20:12.43 | CBG | Well, with Molies cheat clients, perhaps the d-s servers are cheat servers? :P |
| 20:13.30 | Mr_Molez | CBG: If I find anyone cheating on my servers their name will be given to the league admins and other server admins |
| 20:13.45 | CBG | Bah, read what I said again... |
| 20:13.55 | CBG | "cheat servers" ... |
| 20:14.09 | Mr_Molez | How can they be cheat servers If i dont allow cheaters ? |
| 20:14.30 | randomparticle | that's the point. in not allowing cheaters, you are cheating the cheaters |
| 20:14.38 | CBG | Not "servers that allow cheat clients", "cheat servers" as in "cheat clients" |
| 20:14.49 | CBG | ""Modified"" Servers. |
| 20:14.52 | blast007 | hacked server? :) |
| 20:14.52 | Mr_Molez | oh |
| 20:15.10 | CBG | Oh, perhaps you just won't run it right. |
| 20:15.14 | randomparticle | could you write that backwards for improved intelligibility, cbg? |
| 20:15.16 | CBG | Maybe you have it set up wrong. |
| 20:15.26 | CBG | randomparticle? |
| 20:15.41 | randomparticle | just being silly, old chap :) |
| 20:15.46 | Mr_Molez | ah, well noone complained that anything was fishy about the server.. As for run right.. I gave most people admin rights for them to moderate it themselves |
| 20:15.50 | CBG | less of the old, randomparticle |
| 20:16.08 | CBG | Mr_Molez: yeah, tell qd, not me :P |
| 20:16.18 | randomparticle | all except for qd? :) |
| 20:16.36 | Mr_Molez | CBG: I don't really care I don't play gu anyway :P |
| 20:16.51 | randomparticle | an inverse universe well everyone is an admin except the admins in the original universe? |
| 20:17.00 | randomparticle | *where |
| 20:17.53 | Mr_Molez | hehe |
| 20:18.02 | CBG | well, physics coursework, Molez, just give QD time, if you really have changed, he will soon see it... |
| 20:18.07 | randomparticle | what happened to the baron's server, do you know? |
| 20:18.44 | randomparticle | not so sure cbg. qd is rather slow to evolve |
| 20:19.26 | Mr_Molez | I never see qd. Except for the very odd occasions he comes on irc |
| 20:20.58 | randomparticle | qd was saying something about not playing non-trusted players |
| 20:21.47 | Mr_Molez | He is showing a bad example then :P |
| 20:21.47 | randomparticle | i think he had in mind something more restrictive than not playing know cheats, but it's hard to say, as noone appeared to be listening to him and the conversation didn't really develop |
| 20:22.28 | CBG | qd is fairly often on IRC (on #kierra at least) |
| 20:22.31 | randomparticle | i think they all thought he was talking about cheats, but he was suggesting some sort of karma system. hard to be sure though |
| 20:22.53 | randomparticle | sounds like a recipe for chaos |
| 20:23.10 | Mr_Molez | ah well |
| 20:23.28 | randomparticle | non-trusted = anyone slightly better than qd :) |
| 20:23.34 | Mr_Molez | hehe |
| 20:24.07 | randomparticle | hope you're enjoying reading this, qd :) |
| 20:24.29 | Birdie | it makes you feel good? |
| 20:24.47 | randomparticle | yes, actually |
| 20:25.52 | CBG | snick, there seems to be a lot of lag, you said quite a while ago about turning over a new leaf... |
| 20:25.52 | Mr_Molez | What if a player gets good karma then decides to make a cheat and use it :-S |
| 20:25.59 | CBG | seems to be a few weeks of lag o.O |
| 20:26.42 | Mr_Molez | CBG: ? |
| 20:27.04 | randomparticle | yes, the new leaf is fully turned over |
| 20:27.14 | CBG | what, 360º like sox did? |
| 20:28.17 | randomparticle | but... the fact is, qd is a sulking presence on gu that does little to add to the enjoyment there. and he has a habit of bzmailing me complaints and attacks |
| 20:28.50 | CBG | that are undeserved? |
| 20:29.07 | randomparticle | yes |
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| 20:29.38 | CBG | You realise that *someone* has to be the bad guy, right? |
| 20:30.05 | CBG | Can't have everyone saying 'sure, do whatever' and turning the other way... |
| 20:30.39 | JeffM2501 | I thought I was the bad guy |
| 20:31.06 | Mr_Molez | pfft |
| 20:31.25 | CBG | JeffM2501: nah, you're to cute to be bad ;) |
| 20:31.28 | Mr_Molez | everyone knows im the baddest here :P |
| 20:31.50 | JeffM2501 | is this now a pissing contest? |
| 20:31.53 | CBG | right. :| |
| 20:32.24 | Mr_Molez | CBG: I see you arguing on forums :P |
| 20:32.37 | CBG | bleh, just defending myself |
| 20:32.46 | Mr_Molez | :) |
| 20:32.46 | CBG | dunno why people start attacking me NOW of all time |
| 20:32.48 | JeffM2501 | the karma system has many problems Mr_Molez I honestly don't see Tim ever implementing it |
| 20:33.07 | CBG | The last week I have been on my best behaviour ever (imho). |
| 20:33.07 | Mr_Molez | I don't see why its needed |
| 20:33.12 | JeffM2501 | it's not |
| 20:33.25 | JeffM2501 | it just makes people feel better |
| 20:33.37 | JeffM2501 | since they think it will actualy solve problems |
| 20:33.42 | Mr_Molez | heh |
| 20:33.44 | JeffM2501 | cus it puts "power" in there own hands |
| 20:33.49 | randomparticle | the big problem, surely, is that it would divide the world up into little cliques |
| 20:34.06 | randomparticle | and it would be very hard to get an active league like that |
| 20:34.10 | JeffM2501 | no, the big problem is it would be abbused all to hell |
| 20:34.28 | JeffM2501 | and make it so that there can be high karma cheaters |
| 20:34.33 | JeffM2501 | time should be spent on the server |
| 20:34.41 | JeffM2501 | not in a fake trust in users |
| 20:34.45 | JeffM2501 | you can never trust a user |
| 20:34.46 | JeffM2501 | ever |
| 20:34.54 | randomparticle | absolutely |
| 20:35.21 | JeffM2501 | but again, I'd not worry about it, The karma thing's been out there for 5 years, and hasn't been implemented yet |
| 20:35.29 | JeffM2501 | so I don't see it geting done by him |
| 20:35.41 | JeffM2501 | in fact I don't see him at all anymore it seems |
| 20:35.44 | randomparticle | perhaps he just wants to exclude players he doesn't trust himself |
| 20:35.49 | Mr_Molez | why does tim need to do it ? |
| 20:36.05 | JeffM2501 | cus he's the only one that thinks it's a good idea :) |
| 20:36.12 | Mr_Molez | heh |
| 20:36.18 | JeffM2501 | and it has hooks into the user database and stuff |
| 20:36.37 | JeffM2501 | a thing the average joe dosn't have access too |
| 20:36.56 | trepan | ~JeffM2501++ |
| 20:38.00 | brlcad | heh |
| 20:38.25 | randomparticle | do you know, would it be possible to allow a team flag to reappear at a random position on the team base? |
| 20:38.27 | brlcad | i don't think it's a "bad" idea per se.. just a complicated one to do it right and for very minimal benefit |
| 20:38.39 | Deepa | i made my own distro :D |
| 20:38.58 | CBG | randomparticle: .. why? |
| 20:39.15 | randomparticle | passing cycles |
| 20:39.16 | brlcad | and there are simply considerably more important things to be working on in the meantime |
| 20:39.24 | Deepa | when im making my second release ill include bzflag ^^ |
| 20:39.43 | Mr_Molez | Deepa: a distro for bzflag is already being worked on |
| 20:39.47 | randomparticle | it would give the spawners a little extra time without gettting rid of passing on spawn altogether |
| 20:39.49 | Mr_Molez | unless that is you who is making it ? |
| 20:40.08 | JeffM2501 | yeah a player rating system would not be bad, it could help admins with deceisions and stuff, but it's not a cheat preventer |
| 20:40.33 | CBG | randomparticle: ahh, I see |
| 20:40.44 | JeffM2501 | it provides as much "cheat protection" as global reg does |
| 20:40.53 | JeffM2501 | and we've seen how much that has helped |
| 20:40.55 | randomparticle | i think the passers have too much of an advantage as it is |
| 20:41.06 | CBG | Another idea could be a server variable to set an amount of time between cap, and flag respawn. |
| 20:41.11 | randomparticle | yes |
| 20:41.11 | trepan | Deepa: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=7044 |
| 20:41.12 | Mr_Molez | JeffM2501: :P |
| 20:41.26 | CBG | So I could set it to wait 5 seconds after a cap, before the flag reappears. |
| 20:41.32 | CBG | Or 1 second, and 20... |
| 20:41.55 | JeffM2501 | could hook it up so plugins coudl controll the cap/respawn logic |
| 20:43.32 | randomparticle | i think the random position on the base could be effective. it would stop players sitting on the flag position |
| 20:44.13 | randomparticle | or, rather, they could sit there, but they'd have to move sharpish when the flag appeared and adjust quickly |
| 20:48.21 | trepan | you can spawn team flags where you want now, with protective capture-triggered world weapons, the problem could already be solved |
| 20:48.52 | trepan | sasme goes for flag passing, properly placed zones can minimize the effect |
| 20:49.09 | randomparticle | yes, i guess so. but that might tip things slightly too far |
| 20:49.20 | bryjen | any idea how many servers require global registration? |
| 20:49.34 | randomparticle | the idea is to make the passing cycles just slightly more difficult |
| 20:49.37 | JeffM2501 | I'm thinking less then 4 |
| 20:50.37 | JeffM2501 | more do reg to talk |
| 20:50.43 | bryjen | i'm not saying its a silver bullet, but that's not giving it much of a chance |
| 20:51.00 | JeffM2501 | yeah, not enough people do it |
| 20:51.03 | Deepa | trepan: well i just wanted to point out im gonna include it :) |
| 20:51.04 | trepan | silvercat and Thumper's (including louman) servers use a partial requirement (required if player count > X) |
| 20:51.06 | JeffM2501 | karma will have the same problem |
| 20:51.14 | Deepa | if i were lucky a op could have shouted YAY and given me voice :> |
| 20:51.30 | JeffM2501 | why do you need voice? |
| 20:51.43 | Deepa | idk |
| 20:51.45 | Deepa | for fun i guess |
| 20:51.47 | Deepa | why does one need voice? |
| 20:51.53 | JeffM2501 | they don't |
| 20:51.59 | randomparticle | what is voice, please? |
| 20:52.01 | Deepa | my main reason would be since it looks neat with a + infront of your name :) |
| 20:52.02 | JeffM2501 | well they did when molez |
| 20:52.07 | JeffM2501 | was doing his thing |
| 20:52.10 | Deepa | voice is only used when the channel is moderated! |
| 20:52.13 | bryjen | for when the munchkins attack, and the channel goes voiced only |
| 20:52.23 | randomparticle | ic |
| 20:52.26 | Deepa | bryjen: moderated* :) |
| 20:52.32 | Deepa | then only opers+voiced people can talk :O |
| 20:52.37 | JeffM2501 | I'll do +R before I do +M |
| 20:52.48 | Deepa | :) |
| 20:52.51 | Deepa | +m is awful |
| 20:53.00 | JeffM2501 | maybe |
| 20:53.05 | Deepa | and you are sure +M is moderated too :>? |
| 20:53.09 | JeffM2501 | but it's very efective at shuting up asshats |
| 20:53.34 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v bryjen] by JeffM2501 |
| 20:53.37 | JeffM2501 | ;) |
| 20:53.43 | Deepa | :O |
| 20:53.50 | Deepa | dang, everyone betas me :P |
| 20:53.55 | *** mode/#bzflag [-v Deepa] by JeffM2501 |
| 20:54.22 | JeffM2501 | if we were in a voice situation we'd give out voice to people we know would not cause a problem |
| 20:54.25 | Deepa | :P |
| 20:54.32 | randomparticle | hmm... i wonder... would it be possible to have a favourites list for servers? |
| 20:54.34 | JeffM2501 | but I hope we never have to back to that |
| 20:54.40 | Deepa | revoking voice is far easier then granting it :) |
| 20:54.51 | JeffM2501 | randomparticle, anything is possible, it's been talked about. in my tabed list idea |
| 20:54.59 | Deepa | just for 5 secs then :>? |
| 20:55.00 | JeffM2501 | no it's the same number of clicks |
| 20:55.49 | randomparticle | and also.. this might be a step too far, in a similar vein to emacs, make bzflag the operating system and run everything else on top of that? |
| 20:56.04 | JeffM2501 | umm.... why? |
| 20:56.19 | randomparticle | it's such a pain to have to leave my fave game to read email etc :) |
| 20:56.22 | CIA-3 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10GPx01/net/ (inc/netMessages.h src/netMessages.cpp): we need the time of each update message. |
| 20:56.27 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v CIA-3] by JeffM2501 |
| 20:56.37 | JeffM2501 | I belive the responce is "get a life" :) |
| 20:56.56 | randomparticle | have tried, jeff. couldn't find it on the map |
| 20:57.02 | JeffM2501 | umm yeah |
| 20:57.52 | CBG | Ebay don't sell "lifes", JeffM2501... |
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| 20:58.06 | JeffM2501 | you don't have to buy them, you make them |
| 20:58.23 | CBG | From everyday, household items? :P |
| 20:58.29 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 20:58.43 | Deepa | *sigh* |
| 20:58.46 | CBG | Well, I bet I can find an old TV and some toilet paper tubes... |
| 20:58.47 | Deepa | CIA-3: gets voice :P |
| 20:58.47 | randomparticle | just double-checking cgb. you'd be surprised what they do sell |
| 20:58.57 | CBG | randomparticle: Oh, believe me... |
| 20:59.01 | JeffM2501 | I like CIA at the top of the list |
| 20:59.24 | CBG | Well, it's not really at the top... |
| 20:59.29 | JeffM2501 | near |
| 20:59.53 | CBG | In the top fifth... |
| 21:00.05 | JeffM2501 | close enough where I don't have to scroll |
| 21:00.07 | JeffM2501 | how's that |
| 21:00.20 | CBG | Why would you want to 'see' it anyway? |
| 21:00.28 | JeffM2501 | to make sure it's not offline |
| 21:00.39 | JeffM2501 | status kinda thing |
| 21:00.43 | JeffM2501 | same with ibot |
| 21:00.48 | CBG | Heh, I would type CIA and try to tab complete... |
| 21:01.02 | JeffM2501 | that involves giving IRC focus |
| 21:01.13 | JeffM2501 | unlike you I do other things during the day ;) |
| 21:01.44 | CBG | You keep the (member) list open permenantly? |
| 21:01.49 | randomparticle | not much success on the lives thing. you can buy "half a life". unfortunately, it's only a book |
| 21:02.03 | CBG | randomparticle: I told ya... |
| 21:02.10 | JeffM2501 | get 2 |
| 21:02.17 | JeffM2501 | then you'll have a full one |
| 21:02.21 | CBG | Then you have 2 books. :/ |
| 21:02.39 | CBG | I have many books already, I don't want half a life, let alone 2 copies of it... |
| 21:02.50 | CBG | Maybe if I ever had time to read... |
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| 21:03.21 | Gnurdux | make[2]: *** No rule to make target `TextChunkManager.cxx', needed by `TextChunkManager.o'. Stop |
| 21:04.03 | JeffM2501 | and hello to you too |
| 21:04.25 | Gnurdux | sry JeffM2501 but has anyone else seen that? |
| 21:04.44 | JeffM2501 | when you updated did you get new files? |
| 21:04.59 | Gnurdux | a couple |
| 21:05.09 | JeffM2501 | new or just changed? |
| 21:05.23 | Gnurdux | just changed i think |
| 21:05.25 | randomparticle | hmm.. rerun configure? |
| 21:05.31 | JeffM2501 | make sure you get new too |
| 21:05.34 | JeffM2501 | -d IIRC |
| 21:05.46 | Gnurdux | but in the dir right now, there is TextChunkManager.o but not TextchunkManager.cxx |
| 21:05.50 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, how do i do that? |
| 21:05.52 | JeffM2501 | and yes rerun the autogen |
| 21:06.11 | JeffM2501 | it's ether -u or -d when you run cvs |
| 21:06.19 | JeffM2501 | check your help on it |
| 21:06.36 | Gnurdux | cvs seems to have deleted TextChunkManager |
| 21:06.44 | JeffM2501 | then it was probably removed |
| 21:06.49 | Gnurdux | cause it used to exist |
| 21:06.50 | JeffM2501 | we do change code |
| 21:06.57 | Gnurdux | but they didnt update the Makefile |
| 21:07.07 | JeffM2501 | because the makefile is made by YOUR system |
| 21:07.07 | brlcad | it was moved |
| 21:07.14 | JeffM2501 | you have to rerun the autogen and configure |
| 21:07.45 | Gnurdux | ah it got moved to libCommon |
| 21:07.50 | Gnurdux | ahh |
| 21:07.52 | JeffM2501 | it's the "auto" part of automake |
| 21:07.53 | Gnurdux | ok |
| 21:07.54 | brlcad | at least configure, autogen only if you're using older tools |
| 21:08.05 | JeffM2501 | I allways tell em both, dosn't hurt :) |
| 21:08.08 | Gnurdux | can i rerun configure using my old configure options? |
| 21:08.12 | brlcad | yep |
| 21:08.14 | JeffM2501 | and shuts em up longer :) |
| 21:08.15 | Gnurdux | how? |
| 21:08.28 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, just rerun both |
| 21:08.38 | JeffM2501 | it's not rocket science |
| 21:08.48 | JeffM2501 | then use the defaults |
| 21:08.49 | brlcad | less config.log |
| 21:08.53 | Gnurdux | ah |
| 21:08.55 | brlcad | at the top |
| 21:09.12 | Gnurdux | thanks |
| 21:09.49 | Gnurdux | ok im doing that niw |
| 21:09.50 | Gnurdux | now |
| 21:10.32 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, if you have any simple bugs that i care about but nobody's bothered to fix, they might shut me up a bit |
| 21:11.03 | Gnurdux | aw im gonna have to rerun autogen :( |
| 21:11.18 | Gnurdux | i might as well not delete autotools this time |
| 21:11.30 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, there is a file called "bugs" |
| 21:11.31 | JeffM2501 | read it |
| 21:11.37 | Gnurdux | ok |
| 21:11.56 | Gnurdux | only simple bugs tho |
| 21:12.13 | JeffM2501 | read them and figure out what you want to do |
| 21:12.21 | Gnurdux | - the last shot fired with a shot-limited flag doesn't carry the flag |
| 21:12.21 | Gnurdux | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:12.21 | Gnurdux | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:12.21 | Gnurdux | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:12.22 | Gnurdux | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:12.26 | Gnurdux | ooh that bug pisses me off |
| 21:12.35 | Gnurdux | though in a different form |
| 21:12.43 | JeffM2501 | dude, we don't need to know, just figure it out yourself |
| 21:12.44 | Gnurdux | when i die before the genocide bullet hits someone |
| 21:12.48 | Gnurdux | is it possible to fix it? |
| 21:12.48 | JeffM2501 | and stop spaming this place |
| 21:12.52 | JeffM2501 | anything is posible |
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| 21:14.15 | JeffM2501 | I'm not the best judge of your skills, so I can't tell you what you can or can't do. you'll have to use your own brain and see if you can do it or not. it's part of being a programing.. research |
| 21:15.08 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, i mean is it possible without changing the protocol? |
| 21:15.15 | JeffM2501 | look and see |
| 21:15.22 | JeffM2501 | I don't know all the code off the top of my head |
| 21:15.37 | JeffM2501 | look, just like your asking me to |
| 21:15.53 | learner | can anyone familiar enough with the spawn code point me to where entry zones are actually created? |
| 21:16.14 | trepan | CustomZone.cxx ? |
| 21:16.32 | trepan | then they get mangled in EntryZones.cxx |
| 21:17.14 | trepan | i changed it so that the full Zone are now entered, but haven't gotten rid of the makeSplitLists() junk that was required for the partials |
| 21:18.07 | learner | i'm just looking at this for the first time, so that made no sense |
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| 21:18.45 | learner | i see a worldinfo that is given a custom zone, that gets added as an entry zone |
| 21:20.19 | learner | i don't, however, see where that custom zone comes from |
| 21:21.12 | trepan | BZWReader |
| 21:21.36 | learner | that's for actual zone objects |
| 21:21.42 | trepan | or WorldGenerators.cxx |
| 21:22.27 | learner | and those seem to be for the bases themselves |
| 21:22.39 | trepan | BZWReader calls CustomZone::writeToWorld() ... that help? |
| 21:24.37 | CIA-3 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10GPx01/ (5 files in 3 dirs): move player state into base user data, not the game derived one |
| 21:24.54 | learner | slightly |
| 21:25.05 | learner | okay, how about a better question.. |
| 21:25.17 | trepan | i don't have any |
| 21:26.02 | learner | i get shot, bzfs goes to find me a new spawn position, that spawn position is pulled from a list of entry zones.. where do those zones come from on a -cr map? |
| 21:26.49 | trepan | WorldGenerators.cxx |
| 21:26.52 | learner | for that matter, how many zones will there be? one big one or multiple smaller ones? |
| 21:27.19 | trepan | search for "addFlagSafety" |
| 21:28.46 | trepan | there are 2 safety zones (points), near each base, in front of the pyrs |
| 21:29.33 | learner | a flag safety zone means what? |
| 21:29.39 | learner | i won't spawn there? |
| 21:29.52 | learner | flags won't drop there? |
| 21:30.01 | trepan | it's where flags go when they get loopy |
| 21:31.13 | learner | i don't see how that relates to how an entry zone is created |
| 21:31.41 | trepan | let's try this another way; what are you trying to do? |
| 21:32.14 | Gnurdux | does anyone know how genocide is handled? |
| 21:32.29 | Gnurdux | somewhere there is a check if the killer had genocide |
| 21:32.34 | learner | i'm trying to understand how my position is chosen when I revive from a kill |
| 21:32.46 | Gnurdux | learner, i know its related to flags |
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| 21:32.51 | learner | i saw how a random position is chosed from a custom zone |
| 21:32.55 | Gnurdux | cause often you spawn right next to the flag you dropped |
| 21:32.59 | learner | and that custom zone is loaded from an entry zone |
| 21:33.27 | learner | but I don't see how an entry zone gets created in the first place so that I spawn over here, then over there, etc |
| 21:34.24 | learner | on a flat-map ctf, the spawning is almost predictable in that players keep spawning in nearly the exact same 5-6 locations |
| 21:34.51 | learner | with a little twiddle room around each of those points, but I can map it down pretty closely |
| 21:35.21 | learner | it "seems" like there are 4-5 small zones that they keep spawning in |
| 21:35.47 | Gnurdux | learner, do you know where the check for genocide is? |
| 21:35.51 | learner | so.. again, the purpose is understanding how zones are created and how many there should even be on a ctf map |
| 21:36.04 | Gnurdux | ie when someone dies it checks if the shooter had geno |
| 21:36.07 | learner | Gnurdux, yes, in the sources --emacs |
| 21:36.07 | trepan | there shouldn't be any player spawn zones unless they are specified |
| 21:36.22 | Gnurdux | learner, i did a grep genocide in the bzfs dir |
| 21:36.34 | learner | grep some more |
| 21:36.49 | Gnurdux | oh its in the client |
| 21:36.53 | Gnurdux | hmm |
| 21:37.08 | Gnurdux | so that means fixing the bug requires change in protocol and client mod :( |
| 21:37.25 | learner | hmm. I assumed SpawnPosition was how they'd be entering |
| 21:37.29 | learner | so that's only for zones? |
| 21:37.47 | Gnurdux | learner, you know how if you have geno, and you shoot a shot and die, and the shot kills someone it doesnt geno? |
| 21:37.50 | Gnurdux | no way to fix |
| 21:38.15 | Gnurdux | without hcanging the protocol |
| 21:38.17 | trepan | SpawnPosition is always used for player spawns |
| 21:38.50 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, don't inturupt them, they arn't talking about your thing |
| 21:38.58 | Gnurdux | i know |
| 21:38.59 | Gnurdux | ok |
| 21:39.00 | trepan | if player entry zones exists, SpawnPosition will use them |
| 21:39.21 | JeffM2501 | use a debuger and step thru the code and see what happens, you can't fix bugs by just bothering people till they do your work for you. |
| 21:39.26 | trepan | via world->getPlayerSpawnPoint() |
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| 21:39.50 | learner | which calls world->getPlayerSpawnPoint, which looks up in a list of entry zones for a random point |
| 21:40.15 | trepan | random w.r.t. the selected entry zones dimensions |
| 21:40.15 | learner | we're full circle |
| 21:40.29 | learner | where does thta entry zone come from for a -cr map? |
| 21:40.37 | learner | world generators, yes? |
| 21:40.39 | trepan | there are none |
| 21:41.40 | learner | how can there be "none"? |
| 21:42.16 | learner | getPlayerSpawnPoint() calls entryZones.getRandomPoint() |
| 21:42.17 | trepan | no specified player entry zones |
| 21:42.34 | trepan | it returns false if there are no zones |
| 21:42.58 | trepan | if there are no zones, SpawnPosition picks the random position |
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| 21:43.20 | trepan | (SpawnPosition also keeps player spawns away from the map edges in that case) |
| 21:43.30 | learner | i think I see now |
| 21:43.52 | learner | that explains the 4-5 points |
| 21:44.01 | trepan | how so? |
| 21:44.11 | learner | it's the 4 corners of the "box" it's using |
| 21:44.36 | learner | assuming a uniform random number distribution, there will be clustering on the corners |
| 21:45.18 | Gnurdux | learner, um why? |
| 21:45.25 | trepan | only if it clamped after the position selection, which it isn't... i must be missing something |
| 21:47.05 | learner | no no, I mean just visually, observing map placement |
| 21:47.19 | learner | the samples are over a square |
| 21:47.28 | learner | that square has random draws being taken from it |
| 21:48.09 | learner | it uses a "best distance" metric to select points |
| 21:48.10 | JeffM2501 | wow |
| 21:48.20 | learner | which is naturally going to be one of those four corners most of the time |
| 21:48.45 | learner | assuming a busy map |
| 21:48.45 | JeffM2501 | what is the 5th point? |
| 21:48.54 | learner | not fifth, it's just 4 |
| 21:49.03 | JeffM2501 | ahh you said 4-5 |
| 21:49.09 | learner | i wasn't sure how many.. just seemed like a handful |
| 21:49.13 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 21:49.16 | trepan | you may because of the checks against other players, shots, etc... ? |
| 21:49.20 | trepan | s/may/mean |
| 21:49.27 | JeffM2501 | so it's allways spanwing them at the corners of the inset box? |
| 21:49.52 | learner | right.. so it keeps checking. statistically, it's going to end up selecting "fatherest" points which will naturally be towards a corner |
| 21:50.37 | learner | should probably do a random distribution from a circle fit about the center of the map |
| 21:50.42 | JeffM2501 | you'd think it should just settle when it got far "enough" away |
| 21:53.18 | trepan | JeffM2501: it does |
| 21:54.37 | trepan | minProximity = size / BZDB.eval("_spawnSafeSRMod"); // size = worldSize, _spawnXXX = 3 |
| 21:57.15 | trepan | 2*(800/3) = 533.333 vs. the (800 * 0.6) width random box for CTF |
| 21:57.32 | trepan | high likelyhood of getting forced into a corner |
| 21:57.55 | JeffM2501 | so the min prox is just prety damn big |
| 21:58.39 | trepan | yup, certainly part of it. it gets adjusted by 0.99 for each spawn position teset |
| 21:59.12 | trepan | s/teset/test, and *= 0.99 (a little clearer) |
| 21:59.19 | learner | yep |
| 21:59.44 | learner | well that explains it.. now just if I have the focus to do something about it.. |
| 22:03.02 | JeffM2501 | learner think the kiddie got your hint? |
| 22:06.14 | learner | not in the least |
| 22:06.44 | JeffM2501 | sadly probably not |
| 22:07.03 | trepan | learner: as an alternative to the circle, formalize the corners; have the league players drop into the channel to express their appreciation |
| 22:08.15 | learner | heh |
| 22:08.22 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/SpawnPosition.cxx: add a big comment explaining that is where CTF spawn position selection occurs and the basic idea of the current algorithm. |
| 22:08.51 | learner | even the whole "drop them as far away as possible" bias is somewhat problematic :) |
| 22:10.03 | learner | fortunately, it's only at worst 475m away (little over half the map) right now, but even that can be annoying |
| 22:10.52 | Chestal | it#s supposed to be annoying :-) |
| 22:11.19 | Chestal | I find it more annoying if I shoot a tan kin CTF and then it respawns not far enough from me, so I have to face it again |
| 22:11.23 | menotume | drop them on top of their teammate |
| 22:11.29 | learner | it'd be nice if it was only annoying over an equal distribution of selections.. sometimes good sometimes bad :) |
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| 22:11.49 | menotume | maybe best to just be totally random |
| 22:11.53 | learner | would be nice to have different spawn policies |
| 22:12.09 | menotume | yes, selectable |
| 22:12.14 | learner | hmm.. |
| 22:12.20 | trepan | they can add player entry zones and adjust _spawnSafeSRMod for some configurability |
| 22:12.42 | menotume | or, a few algorithms to choose from |
| 22:13.04 | learner | even with zones, there's something to be said for different policies |
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| 22:14.46 | menotume | policies: |
| 22:14.53 | menotume | 1) close to teammate |
| 22:14.58 | menotume | 2) close to opponent |
| 22:15.05 | menotume | 3) close to team flag |
| 22:15.13 | menotume | 4) close to oppn team flag |
| 22:15.16 | menotume | 5) random |
| 22:15.21 | trepan | there are plugin hooks for player spawns :) |
| 22:15.26 | menotume | and, you can choose % of each policy to use |
| 22:15.29 | learner | 6) in front of first available bullet |
| 22:15.35 | menotume | nya, good one |
| 22:19.32 | menotume | i was thinking that not in path of any current bullet would be assumed :) |
| 22:19.48 | learner | and i was only half kidding :) |
| 22:19.49 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/SpawnPosition.cxx: more comments on player spawning. |
| 22:19.58 | menotume | i half knew that you were |
| 22:20.07 | learner | if would be interesting if you knew you had to move immediately |
| 22:20.35 | learner | even better, make you face the shot |
| 22:20.40 | menotume | :) |
| 22:21.18 | learner | could ensure a minimum distance so that it is necessarily avoidable, but only if you turn and dodge |
| 22:25.17 | menotume | yep |
| 22:28.02 | bryjen | 7) directly behind learner |
| 22:29.20 | learner | heh |
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| 22:36.13 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/SpawnPosition.cxx: comment that it's +- 20 degrees, i.e. 40 degree arc.. |
| 22:47.26 | Thumper_ | brlcad: I think that last comment is wrong... in the above commit |
| 22:47.40 | Thumper_ | since SpawnPosition::isFacing divides the deviation by two |
| 22:48.16 | Thumper_ | it's really +/- 10 degrees |
| 22:48.27 | Thumper_ | for a 20 degree arc |
| 22:49.09 | learner | pi / 9 is not 20 degrees last I checked |
| 22:49.46 | trepan | 180 / 9 ? |
| 22:49.51 | Thumper_ | heh |
| 22:51.24 | learner | humhum mebbe :) |
| 22:51.34 | learner | didn't check very hard obviously |
| 22:53.28 | menotume | i just got shot on a spawn. i demand that this is fixed right away ! |
| 22:53.48 | learner | where you spawning, let me help? |
| 22:53.52 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/SpawnPosition.cxx: blessed radians, it is a 20 degree arc |
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| 22:54.16 | trepan | Thumper_: just like to mention (again) that the idea was not to have a variable named "twentyDegrees" :) |
| 22:54.35 | Thumper_ | trepan: yeah yeah I know I seriously copped out on the convert it all to degrees |
| 22:55.01 | Gnurdux | your converting bzflag to degrees? |
| 22:55.11 | Gnurdux | so it uses radians now? |
| 22:55.19 | Thumper_ | yes it's in radians now |
| 22:55.26 | learner | Gnurdux, remember the "you get one question a day" that brlcad mentioned? |
| 22:55.29 | trepan | (20.0 * (M_PI / 180.0)) would have sufficed |
| 22:55.30 | learner | he wasn't kidding |
| 22:55.40 | Gnurdux | learner, it was once an hour |
| 22:55.45 | learner | so choose your question carefully |
| 22:55.50 | learner | okay, once an hour |
| 22:55.51 | CBG | Once a day would be better ;) |
| 22:56.10 | learner | so is that really going to be your question for the next hour? |
| 22:56.29 | CBG | learner: he asked 2 already.... |
| 22:56.43 | menotume | i think we should convert to hex first |
| 22:56.49 | learner | CBG: no need to point out the obvious, but thanks |
| 22:57.25 | Thumper_ | trepan: true... |
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| 23:02.57 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (SpawnPosition.cxx SpawnPosition.h): header consistency cleanup, class now includes interface header first. interface only needed global.h for TeamColor. |
| 23:06.21 | Thumper_ | should we prevent spawning in front of GM ? similar to regular shots but maybe with a wider arc |
| 23:07.00 | menotume | and vetical arc. ow |
| 23:07.07 | menotume | but, if not locked .... |
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| 23:09.29 | A_Meteorite | does anyone know if BZFS places a limit on how many characters your callsign/e-mail can be? |
| 23:09.59 | blast007 | iirc, it's 32 for the callsign, and 128 for the email |
| 23:10.08 | A_Meteorite | thanks |
| 23:10.08 | menotume | that rings a bell |
| 23:10.28 | A_Meteorite | 'cause I don't want to make my MySQL DB any bigger than needed :) |
| 23:10.36 | blast007 | right |
| 23:10.42 | menotume | ya well, email shold be smaller IMO |
| 23:10.56 | trepan | 0? |
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| 23:10.57 | bryjen | remember: only you can prevent scoreboard overrun! |
| 23:11.06 | menotume | hehe |
| 23:11.11 | A_Meteorite | how's that? |
| 23:11.22 | trepan | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:11.26 | A_Meteorite | lol |
| 23:11.41 | menotume | nah, 'email' string can be fun :) |
| 23:11.45 | A_Meteorite | wish there was a mailCharacterLimit |
| 23:11.47 | A_Meteorite | :) |
| 23:11.50 | trepan | A_Meteorite: that works... |
| 23:11.52 | menotume | there you go |
| 23:12.04 | bryjen | ah. nice. |
| 23:12.06 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/SpawnPosition.h: doxygenify up some explanation of the class |
| 23:12.27 | A_Meteorite | doxygen always sounded weird for some reason... ;) |
| 23:12.49 | A_Meteorite | lol |
| 23:12.57 | bryjen | maybe I just need a bigger monitor... |
| 23:12.59 | A_Meteorite | mine's pretty long now.. I gotta change it :) |
| 23:14.07 | A_Meteorite | ok, anyone know the max length of a -publicaddr? or is there none? |
| 23:14.08 | JeffM2501 | at least all display and interface for it |
| 23:16.16 | menotume | nameport field is 60 chars in listserver table |
| 23:16.46 | A_Meteorite | wow, pretty good estimates :) |
| 23:16.56 | A_Meteorite | I've been doing powers of two for some reason.. I guessed 64 |
| 23:17.12 | menotume | :) |
| 23:17.28 | trepan | 32 chars for callsign is too many as well, clamp at 12 or 16 |
| 23:17.49 | A_Meteorite | mine barely makes it: a meteorite |
| 23:17.55 | A_Meteorite | better make it 16 :P |
| 23:18.07 | A_Meteorite | (well, it makes it but it comes in at 11) |
| 23:18.21 | menotume | ~bzfquery bzflag.no-ip.com:5156 |
| 23:18.31 | A_Meteorite | lol |
| 23:18.35 | menotume | hehe |
| 23:18.47 | brlcad | clearly not long enough |
| 23:20.35 | menotume | ya, that's only 90 chars |
| 23:21.00 | A_Meteorite | you the one who regged bzflag.no-ip.com? |
| 23:22.52 | menotume | ~bzfquery bzflag.no-ip.com:5156 |
| 23:22.56 | menotume | better ? |
| 23:23.03 | A_Meteorite | lol |
| 23:23.05 | menotume | yes, you snooze, you lose :) |
| 23:23.15 | A_Meteorite | I tried getting it a long time ago |
| 23:23.22 | A_Meteorite | well, you have been around longer than me |
| 23:23.34 | menotume | understatement :) |
| 23:23.41 | A_Meteorite | how so? |
| 23:23.50 | A_Meteorite | no wonder |
| 23:23.57 | menotume | hehe |
| 23:24.20 | A_Meteorite | it must of been fun trying to explain to someone that you already got dibs on bzflag.no-ip.com before either bzflag or no-up existed :P |
| 23:24.28 | A_Meteorite | *no-ip |
| 23:24.56 | menotume | or internet ? |
| 23:24.58 | menotume | :) |
| 23:25.01 | A_Meteorite | that too |
| 23:25.14 | A_Meteorite | they're like ".com" you want to name your business bzflag.no-ip?!! |
| 23:25.49 | menotume | so, bzserver huh ? |
| 23:25.53 | menotume | err, bzserve |
| 23:27.55 | menotume | ok, so who wants a client limit on email string length (of less than 128) ? |
| 23:28.25 | brad2901 | ~vote yes |
| 23:28.33 | A_Meteorite | me too |
| 23:28.34 | brlcad | the problem isn't the length of the email string |
| 23:28.38 | menotume | /vote yes |
| 23:28.43 | menotume | it isn't ? |
| 23:28.45 | brlcad | it's the display of that email string |
| 23:28.50 | A_Meteorite | ooooh |
| 23:28.51 | menotume | well |
| 23:29.13 | menotume | the smaller the length of the string, the less of a display problem |
| 23:29.21 | blast007 | should be 8 chars ;) |
| 23:29.22 | brlcad | so keep it rfc compliant and add a client-side var for how many chars to display on the scoreboard |
| 23:29.25 | menotume | depending on screen res / font size, etc. |
| 23:29.40 | menotume | right-o |
| 23:29.49 | bryjen | a gooey menu option to do the localset thing trepan mentioned might be nice |
| 23:29.49 | blast007 | do people really put their email there anyway? I sure don't |
| 23:29.57 | menotume | i would agree 100% if it were really an 'email' string |
| 23:29.59 | brlcad | sure, make it dependent on the screen or whatever, even small fixed |
| 23:30.02 | menotume | as is, i agree 95% |
| 23:30.16 | brlcad | it is an email string to newbies |
| 23:30.20 | brlcad | emailish at least |
| 23:30.26 | brlcad | as it unveils your hostname |
| 23:30.29 | blast007 | but it default to the user@hostname |
| 23:30.29 | menotume | gooey menu option to do both in one option |
| 23:30.30 | brlcad | and username |
| 23:30.49 | menotume | i will do it |
| 23:30.50 | brlcad | Tim's point on why it's the way it is has some merit |
| 23:31.01 | brlcad | it gives initial users a slight inclination that they are not necessarily anonymous |
| 23:31.09 | blast007 | true |
| 23:31.19 | brlcad | that said, it certainly doesn't need to display 128 characters to get that effect |
| 23:31.28 | brlcad | 20 or 30 would likely do just as well |
| 23:31.31 | menotume | deafult ? |
| 23:31.34 | menotume | leave as is ? |
| 23:31.57 | brlcad | i'd say add the var and we can test out a setting of 32 or something |
| 23:32.25 | menotume | ok, i'll add a var, a gooey to set it, a #define for default |
| 23:32.39 | A_Meteorite | I think 64 is reasonable |
| 23:32.42 | brlcad | #define? |
| 23:32.48 | A_Meteorite | IMHO |
| 23:32.50 | menotume | c-- |
| 23:32.51 | brlcad | client-side vars have defaults |
| 23:33.01 | menotume | and, how are they set ? |
| 23:33.03 | brlcad | i mean a proper client-side /set var |
| 23:33.15 | bryjen | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:33.22 | menotume | in da code :) |
| 23:33.42 | brlcad | src/bzflag/defaultBZDB.cxx |
| 23:33.44 | menotume | *somewhere* there has to be a number :) |
| 23:33.50 | menotume | okies |
| 23:33.58 | menotume | gotya |
| 23:34.11 | brlcad | better than a global even ;) |
| 23:34.59 | brlcad | i see there's an attempt to organize the variable mess.. probably goes under the "hud drawing" section |
| 23:35.49 | menotume | yes, right next to hideEmails |
| 23:35.54 | menotume | (which isn't here) :) |
| 23:36.17 | bryjen | it's only in src/bzflag/ScoreboardRenderer.cxx |
| 23:36.24 | menotume | ahh, okies |
| 23:36.41 | menotume | who made that class anyway ? |
| 23:36.45 | menotume | shame on him |
| 23:36.48 | brlcad | right, it's akin to an ifndef |
| 23:37.14 | brlcad | define it to hide emails, although it should just be added to the list |
| 23:37.52 | menotume | i was thinking one var |
| 23:38.01 | menotume | if it's 0, hide email, viola |
| 23:38.28 | brlcad | there already is a hide e-mail var |
| 23:38.29 | brlcad | .. |
| 23:38.32 | menotume | right |
| 23:38.39 | menotume | ok ok |
| 23:38.43 | brlcad | so what're you proposing? :) |
| 23:38.47 | menotume | wouldn't make sense to value that one |
| 23:39.06 | menotume | nvm :) |
| 23:39.17 | menotume | too many clients have 1 or 0 already :) |
| 23:39.56 | menotume | i'll just have the gooey part automate that |
| 23:40.19 | menotume | ie: if you set length to 0, it'll set hideemail |
| 23:40.51 | menotume | length 1-128, unset hideemail |
| 23:40.56 | A_Meteorite | oh |
| 23:40.59 | A_Meteorite | that seems good |
| 23:41.08 | menotume | and a new var emaildisplength |
| 23:41.11 | menotume | or something |
| 23:41.34 | A_Meteorite | if it goes above that length it should have an ellipsis (…) before the last parentheses |
| 23:41.44 | A_Meteorite | to let the user know there's more, but not displayed |
| 23:41.47 | menotume | okies |
| 23:41.52 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/defaultBZDB.cxx: add hideEmails to the default list of settable variables, ScoreboardRenderer already uses it but required manual addition to config file. default to false (i.e. display e-mails) |
| 23:42.08 | A_Meteorite | wow, you guys are quick :) |
| 23:42.23 | menotume | probably quicker than a cvs update, thx brlcad :P |
| 23:43.29 | Mr_Molez | does anyone else find it annoying when someones name is so long it covers lagstats :P |
| 23:43.52 | menotume | who would do that ? |
| 23:44.00 | menotume | oh, i should hot that too |
| 23:44.04 | menotume | 'hit' |
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| 23:44.37 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 23:44.38 | menotume | maybe we set the default to what fits there |
| 23:44.48 | menotume | ask tim, he'll know :) |
| 23:44.54 | Mr_Molez | TimRiker: heya :P |
| 23:46.25 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (SpawnPosition.cxx SpawnPosition.h): const return qualifier on an intrinsic type is meaningless |
| 23:46.52 | menotume | oh, emails aren't in lagstats, that's callsign overflow, doh |
| 23:46.56 | A_Meteorite | lol |
| 23:46.57 | learner | i think the default should be on, should be sufficient to limit the number of characters displayed to something less |
| 23:47.15 | menotume | well, i'll look at it anyway |
| 23:47.37 | learner | if only to support that new-player-non-anonymouse thread |
| 23:47.39 | Mr_Molez | ;) |
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| 23:49.43 | trepan | learner: a conflict with every commit :) |
| 23:50.09 | learner | heh |
| 23:50.21 | Gnurdux | is there any development in the 2.0 branch anymore? |
| 23:50.23 | learner | it's easy sailing when nobody else is doing work eh? :) |
| 23:50.51 | Mr_Molez | Gnurdux: look up |
| 23:51.08 | blast007 | Mr_Molez: he just joined :) |
| 23:51.13 | brlcad | yes, continues to be developed |
| 23:51.13 | Mr_Molez | oh lol |
| 23:51.14 | trepan | your little commits are barely even a nuisance :) |
| 23:51.34 | brlcad | with a release imminent hopefully |
| 23:51.36 | Gnurdux | are you discussing 2.0branch then? |
| 23:51.41 | Gnurdux | ooh 2.0.6 |
| 23:51.42 | A_Meteorite | yes |
| 23:51.43 | trepan | is that this hour's question? |
| 23:51.50 | brlcad | i believe it is |
| 23:51.51 | Gnurdux | i suppose\ |
| 23:52.09 | A_Meteorite | guess that day and hour that 2.0.6 is released and you shall become a millionaire |
| 23:52.12 | A_Meteorite | j/k ;) |
| 23:52.53 | brlcad | A_Meteorite: that would be an easy guess |
| 23:53.02 | A_Meteorite | because you're a dev |
| 23:53.06 | brlcad | since we could make just about any day happen |
| 23:53.18 | A_Meteorite | devs and relatives of devs, and friends of devs are disqualified |
| 23:53.22 | A_Meteorite | :) |
| 23:53.31 | Gnurdux | A_Meteorite, you a dev? |
| 23:53.38 | A_Meteorite | no |
| 23:53.44 | Gnurdux | 2 weeks? wow |
| 23:53.48 | A_Meteorite | I wish... |
| 23:53.53 | A_Meteorite | but my skills aren't good enough |
| 23:53.58 | Gnurdux | A_Meteorite, maybe you can persuade JeffM2501 |
| 23:54.04 | A_Meteorite | heh |
| 23:54.15 | Gnurdux | he was considering making me one until i annoyed the crap out of him |
| 23:54.20 | Gnurdux | :) |
| 23:54.26 | A_Meteorite | I can break C++ with my hands tied behind my back |
| 23:54.37 | Gnurdux | break? meaning? |
| 23:54.46 | Gnurdux | make it not work? |
| 23:54.48 | A_Meteorite | just hit they keyboard with your head until you hit make and it errors out |
| 23:55.04 | brlcad | A_Meteorite: that disqualifies everyone if only because of learner |
| 23:55.05 | Gnurdux | you only need 1 semicolon deleted :) |
| 23:55.11 | A_Meteorite | lol |
| 23:55.17 | Gnurdux | why? |
| 23:55.20 | learner | ~learner |
| 23:55.22 | ibot | [learner] your friend . |
| 23:55.22 | Gnurdux | is everyone friends with learner ? |
| 23:55.25 | Gnurdux | oh |
| 23:55.27 | Gnurdux | lol |
| 23:55.27 | A_Meteorite | lol |