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| 00:15.33 | lan56 | JeffM2501, they should be, but let me double check |
| 00:18.01 | lan56 | actually no I need to add a few files, let me add them now |
| 00:21.09 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 00:21.16 | JeffM2501 | we are going to release soon |
| 00:21.29 | lan56 | wow neat, thats always exciting |
| 00:24.01 | blast007 | JeffM2501: 'Release' build of bzadmin isn't using pdcurses for some reason...I'm looking into in |
| 00:27.29 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03lan56 * 10bzflag/Dev-C++/ (bzflag.dev bzfs.dev): |
| 00:27.29 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: bzflag.cxx: unknown option change |
| 00:27.29 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: bzfs.cxx: add TextChunkManager.cxx and SpawnPolicy.cxx |
| 00:27.52 | lan56 | ok its good to go |
| 00:28.31 | lan56 | no wait |
| 00:28.32 | lan56 | one more |
| 00:30.21 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03lan56 * 10bzflag/Dev-C++/bzadmin-pdcurses.dev: fix linker command line, it used the old curldll line |
| 00:30.26 | lan56 | ok hit it |
| 00:30.46 | lan56 | although I get this: "cvs diff: [00:30:08] waiting for brlcad's lock in /cvsroot/bzflag/bzflag/Dev-C++" |
| 00:30.50 | lan56 | if that means anything |
| 00:31.05 | lan56 | it says it obtained the lock |
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| 00:43.04 | JeffM2501 | many people are updating |
| 00:43.07 | JeffM2501 | since it's just back up |
| 00:43.15 | lan56 | k |
| 00:43.41 | brlcad | and that's just my usual auto-update |
| 00:43.42 | Gnurdux | #commits isnt too bad |
| 00:43.55 | Gnurdux | wait |
| 00:44.01 | Gnurdux | cause all the CVS bots are dead? |
| 00:44.43 | blast007 | Gnurdux: there will only be one bot in #commits |
| 00:44.51 | Gnurdux | why? |
| 00:44.55 | Gnurdux | wait |
| 00:45.00 | JeffM2501 | cus they are all the same |
| 00:45.06 | Gnurdux | ah |
| 00:45.24 | blast007 | just like ibot, jbot, etc |
| 00:45.42 | blast007 | there's a limit on the number of channels a user can be in, so they split it up |
| 00:45.46 | JeffM2501 | ibot jbot apt |
| 00:45.52 | brlcad | we're not going to wait or not wait regardless of whether you type wait.. so maybe try not typing wait ;) |
| 00:45.54 | JeffM2501 | they can only have 60 channels per nick |
| 00:46.15 | Gnurdux | ah |
| 00:46.28 | JeffM2501 | CIA's often up to like 13-14 IIRC |
| 00:46.30 | Gnurdux | is the release planned for thursday? |
| 00:46.34 | blast007 | isn't it 20? |
| 00:46.35 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03lan56 * 10bzflag/ (5 files in 2 dirs): |
| 00:46.35 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: final touches: |
| 00:46.35 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: -project files: take away duplicated "..\Dev-C++" library directory, and add one to the bzadmin files |
| 00:46.35 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: -README.DEVC++: make it more user-friendly and a few updates |
| 00:46.41 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux: probably this weekend |
| 00:46.46 | JeffM2501 | to make sure it's well tested |
| 00:46.47 | Gnurdux | aww, why? |
| 00:46.50 | Gnurdux | oh |
| 00:46.51 | Gnurdux | ok |
| 00:46.54 | JeffM2501 | because unlike you we test |
| 00:46.58 | lan56 | btw the dev-c++ files are done, and thats final |
| 00:47.03 | Gnurdux | wait thought |
| 00:47.06 | JeffM2501 | lan56: great. thanks |
| 00:47.11 | Gnurdux | you were going to release on saturday |
| 00:47.25 | Gnurdux | it wouldnt have been well-tested then |
| 00:47.25 | JeffM2501 | yes, but we didn't have CVS for like 3 days before that |
| 00:47.28 | blast007 | Gnurdux: CVS was down...remember? :P |
| 00:47.45 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux: we have been adding the bug fixes found while CVS was down |
| 00:47.47 | lan56 | all in the line of duty |
| 00:47.51 | JeffM2501 | those need to be tested |
| 00:47.53 | Gnurdux | ok |
| 00:47.54 | Gnurdux | i see |
| 00:48.12 | Gnurdux | will it still be called fools gold? |
| 00:48.13 | brlcad | glad we're all caught up now |
| 00:48.40 | blast007 | Gnurdux: does it matter what it's called? |
| 00:48.45 | JeffM2501 | I'll do a B8 tomrow and we'll see how it flys |
| 00:48.46 | Gnurdux | not really |
| 00:50.25 | JeffM2501 | we could call it bob |
| 00:50.42 | Gnurdux | bob? why? |
| 00:50.46 | blast007 | .. |
| 00:50.49 | JeffM2501 | why not? |
| 00:51.00 | Gnurdux | lol good point |
| 00:51.08 | Gnurdux | we could call it Jeff Edition |
| 00:51.12 | JeffM2501 | why? |
| 00:51.20 | JeffM2501 | we don't do "editions" |
| 00:51.26 | JeffM2501 | and I have little code in this one |
| 00:51.43 | Gnurdux | hehe |
| 00:54.57 | JeffM2501 | we could call it "the release that should not be" ;) |
| 00:55.10 | Gnurdux | why shouldnt it be? |
| 00:55.22 | JeffM2501 | cus it should have ended at 2.0.4 |
| 00:55.25 | JeffM2501 | when we branched |
| 00:55.37 | Gnurdux | thats true |
| 00:55.46 | Gnurdux | cause now all the bugfixes need to be merged into 2.2 |
| 00:55.52 | JeffM2501 | that's easy |
| 00:55.54 | Gnurdux | did it delay the release of 2.2? |
| 00:55.59 | JeffM2501 | cus of all the wasted time |
| 00:56.00 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 00:56.14 | Gnurdux | whos fault is it? |
| 00:56.24 | JeffM2501 | long story |
| 00:56.31 | JeffM2501 | and not one person's specific fault |
| 00:56.42 | JeffM2501 | other then the person who should have made the call and didn't |
| 00:56.54 | purple_cow | my fault, obviously |
| 00:57.05 | JeffM2501 | yeah I totaly blame you |
| 00:57.15 | purple_cow | i added a super-secret BZDB variable! |
| 00:57.32 | JeffM2501 | _MAD_COW |
| 00:57.45 | blast007 | /set _cowLancher 1 |
| 00:57.47 | brlcad | did you name it _super_secret_bzdb_variable? |
| 00:57.54 | Gnurdux | purple_cow, suree you did\ |
| 00:57.58 | Gnurdux | whats it called then? |
| 00:58.06 | purple_cow | no, I named it __window |
| 00:58.25 | Gnurdux | client or server? |
| 00:58.30 | purple_cow | client |
| 00:58.42 | JeffM2501 | could call the release "atack of the anoying 14 year olds" ;) |
| 00:58.47 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 00:58.51 | Gnurdux | whats its defualt? |
| 00:58.59 | brlcad | hmm.. I wonder if I could have fun with "set __window _poll" in my config |
| 00:59.07 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, why do you never right double letters in your conf |
| 00:59.17 | Gnurdux | but poll is server side and has no underscore |
| 00:59.17 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 00:59.36 | brlcad | Gnurdux: why do you usually ask wierd questions? |
| 00:59.40 | purple_cow | Gnurdux: 0, I'm sure |
| 00:59.44 | Gnurdux | hehe |
| 00:59.57 | Gnurdux | what does it do? |
| 01:00.02 | Gnurdux | it doesnt seem to do anything |
| 01:00.10 | blast007 | sure it does |
| 01:00.13 | JeffM2501 | english does not follow a consistent set of rules, and being somewhat dislexic dosn't help |
| 01:00.19 | Gnurdux | ah |
| 01:00.27 | purple_cow | turns on windowed mode |
| 01:00.40 | Gnurdux | did you write dislexic rather than dyslexic on purpose? |
| 01:00.56 | purple_cow | so I can launch from the menus but still be windowed |
| 01:01.08 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux: I'm not the best typist, just leave it at that ok. |
| 01:01.15 | JeffM2501 | why do you pester me so? |
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| 01:01.35 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: it's fun to pester you so |
| 01:01.42 | JeffM2501 | so it seems |
| 01:02.27 | purple_cow | though only some of us can get away with it ;) |
| 01:02.32 | brlcad | :) |
| 01:02.49 | JeffM2501 | well when we've lifted a glass.. then it's much easyer ;) |
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| 01:03.33 | brlcad | mm.. scooby snak |
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| 01:09.44 | EbErT | ping Thumper_ |
| 01:11.16 | purple_cow | brlcad: you like some weird-ass drinks |
| 01:11.40 | brlcad | i'm an equal opportunity drinker |
| 01:11.40 | JeffM2501 | appletini! |
| 01:11.59 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: i will agree, those are tasty |
| 01:12.07 | EbErT | fuzzy navel! |
| 01:12.10 | EbErT | yum |
| 01:12.10 | brlcad | mm.. chocolatinis |
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| 01:32.36 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03bryjen 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (effectsRenderer.cxx effectsRenderer.h): clean out references to team since it's using color directly now |
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| 01:41.36 | bryjen | i'll warm the virtual freeze no further |
| 01:42.58 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, i know how to decide whats a shot type? |
| 01:43.07 | Gnurdux | anything that gets its own death message |
| 01:43.08 | Gnurdux | :P |
| 01:43.18 | Gnurdux | so mGun gets it because of swiss cheese |
| 01:43.43 | EbErT | yay rogue geno |
| 01:44.09 | Gnurdux | rogue geno is cool |
| 01:44.21 | blast007 | I don't like it |
| 01:44.25 | blast007 | then again, I'm a rogue |
| 01:44.37 | Gnurdux | would it be possible to make shot rain as a plugin? |
| 01:44.43 | Gnurdux | where it rains world weapons? |
| 01:44.45 | EbErT | party pooper |
| 01:45.02 | blast007 | there's a limit to the number of world weapons |
| 01:45.06 | EbErT | you have to dodge vertical shots heh |
| 01:45.28 | Gnurdux | blast007, well swDeath makes new shots on the spot |
| 01:45.31 | EbErT | make it rain on wings users |
| 01:45.33 | Gnurdux | SW's |
| 01:45.37 | Gnurdux | as world weapon |
| 01:45.39 | blast007 | Gnurdux: right, I didn't say you couldn't |
| 01:45.44 | blast007 | I said there was a LIMIT |
| 01:45.45 | Gnurdux | ah |
| 01:45.50 | Gnurdux | how is there a limit? |
| 01:45.58 | blast007 | because one was set |
| 01:46.12 | Gnurdux | what happens if swdeath hits that limit |
| 01:46.16 | Gnurdux | and what is the limit |
| 01:47.16 | blast007 | _MAX_WORLD_SHOTS |
| 01:47.30 | blast007 | it's how many world weapons can exist, not how many times they can be fired |
| 01:47.36 | blast007 | they can fire all they want |
| 01:47.40 | Gnurdux | ah |
| 01:47.50 | Gnurdux | but swDeath doesnt fire world weapons |
| 01:47.58 | Gnurdux | it just fires world weapon shots |
| 01:48.00 | blast007 | #define _MAX_WORLD_SHOTS 30 |
| 01:48.06 | Gnurdux | so i could probably do something liek that |
| 01:48.12 | Gnurdux | gnurdux@Mikey:~$ grep MAX_WORLD bzflag-cvs/ -R |
| 01:48.12 | Gnurdux | bzflag-cvs/src/bzfs/WorldWeapons.cxx: if (worldShotId > _MAX_WORLD_SHOTS) { |
| 01:48.12 | Gnurdux | bzflag-cvs/src/bzfs/WorldWeapons.h:#define _MAX_WORLD_SHOTS 30 |
| 01:49.17 | Gnurdux | ah it just shoots as SERVER |
| 01:49.20 | Gnurdux | doesnt use world weapons |
| 01:49.34 | Gnurdux | EbErT, i was thinking of having it be like asteroids |
| 01:49.43 | Gnurdux | they would turn into SWs when they hit the ground |
| 01:49.51 | menotume | learner: piiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing |
| 01:49.56 | blast007 | Gnurdux: can't really |
| 01:49.58 | EbErT | wow, wonder if you could do that |
| 01:50.09 | blast007 | unless you calculate when they hit |
| 01:50.09 | brlcad | menotume: pong |
| 01:50.18 | Gnurdux | blast007, jeff made a patch a couple days ago |
| 01:50.21 | EbErT | bricad: poing |
| 01:50.25 | Gnurdux | that gave API access to shot end effects |
| 01:50.28 | blast007 | ah |
| 01:50.33 | menotume | brlcad: pm |
| 01:50.35 | blast007 | then yeah, might work just fine |
| 01:51.16 | Gnurdux | it was too make someone shut up about having shots turn into pz shots after some distance |
| 01:52.03 | blast007 | Gnurdux: swDeath calls bz_fireWorldWep |
| 01:52.19 | Gnurdux | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:52.21 | Gnurdux | oh your right |
| 01:52.37 | blast007 | with a shotID of 0, which makes it call the function with if (worldShotId > _MAX_WORLD_SHOTS) in it |
| 01:52.43 | Gnurdux | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:53.09 | Gnurdux | does bz_fireWorldWep return anything? |
| 01:53.21 | blast007 | read the code |
| 01:53.51 | Gnurdux | is there anyway to keep track of a shot? |
| 01:53.52 | bryjen | shots have to have an ID. if they're "fake" shots generated by the server, the server has to have a pool of IDs to use. _max_world_shots defines the size of the pool, iirc |
| 01:54.03 | blast007 | yup |
| 01:54.26 | Gnurdux | is there anyway the plugin could check if a shot that ended was one it fired? |
| 01:56.03 | Gnurdux | hmmm id be satisfied with just raining shots |
| 01:56.11 | blast007 | I only see a bz_eShotFiredEvent event, not one for shots that end |
| 01:56.12 | Gnurdux | the question is: should they be super or not? |
| 01:56.22 | Gnurdux | blast007, is that today's CVS? |
| 01:56.34 | blast007 | Gnurdux: yeah, from like a hour or two ago |
| 01:56.38 | Gnurdux | oh |
| 01:56.39 | blast007 | Dev |
| 01:56.44 | Gnurdux | oh |
| 01:57.56 | EbErT | menotume :pm |
| 01:58.05 | menotume | ya |
| 01:58.08 | Gnurdux | what would be best: shots or super shots? |
| 01:58.14 | EbErT | ah, sry |
| 01:58.17 | Gnurdux | heh or lasers! |
| 01:58.25 | blast007 | super...acid rain ;D |
| 01:58.28 | EbErT | super always better |
| 01:58.30 | menotume | 10 pm, to be more precise |
| 01:58.36 | Gnurdux | imagine random lasers from the sky |
| 01:58.40 | EbErT | true heh |
| 01:58.53 | EbErT | guess you are eastern time |
| 01:59.04 | EbErT | braves baseball yay |
| 01:59.34 | Gnurdux | blast007, but should the rain be super? |
| 01:59.41 | Gnurdux | going through building? |
| 01:59.44 | blast007 | it's not my decision |
| 01:59.45 | Gnurdux | i guess no reason why not |
| 02:00.52 | Gnurdux | it can still skewer you when your on a building |
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| 02:24.41 | JeffM2501 | what was the munchkin talking about? |
| 02:24.48 | JeffM2501 | I was watching Narnia |
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| 02:27.58 | blast007 | JeffM2501: was there a reason the pdcurses VC71 build was changed to use curses.lib instead of pdcurses.lib? |
| 02:28.17 | JeffM2501 | cus the binarys for pdcurses uses a lib called curses.lib ;) |
| 02:28.32 | JeffM2501 | http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/pdcurses.htm |
| 02:28.41 | JeffM2501 | asuming those are the right ones |
| 02:28.41 | blast007 | ah, I compiled my own |
| 02:28.55 | JeffM2501 | if I'm wrong please change it back |
| 02:28.58 | blast007 | and I get a linking error with curses.lib, but it works with pdcurses.lib |
| 02:29.11 | JeffM2501 | can you test it with that link? |
| 02:29.13 | blast007 | I'll try with precompiled, since most will use that |
| 02:29.20 | JeffM2501 | I'm not sure how it's suposed to work |
| 02:29.33 | JeffM2501 | if not I can build my own, or get a lib from you |
| 02:30.04 | blast007 | also the Curses*.cxx files were excluded from the 'Release' build |
| 02:30.09 | blast007 | so I have that fixed locally now |
| 02:30.18 | JeffM2501 | really... |
| 02:30.23 | JeffM2501 | ok commit any changes you need |
| 02:30.52 | JeffM2501 | I'm not 100% on the whole curses thing;) |
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| 02:31.16 | blast007 | :) |
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| 02:39.58 | blast007 | doesn't even want to link with the prebuild lib...21 unresolved symbols |
| 02:40.57 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 02:41.12 | JeffM2501 | ok then set it to the one that works, and can you send me a lib and dll to use? |
| 02:41.43 | JeffM2501 | or where did you get the sources from? |
| 02:47.18 | blast007 | I probably got them from here: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/pdcurses/pdcurs26.zip?download |
| 02:47.41 | JeffM2501 | k, I'll build my own now |
| 02:47.47 | blast007 | and PDCurses 2.8 gives errors in curses_wrapper.h |
| 02:47.56 | JeffM2501 | you have commit access right? |
| 02:48.40 | blast007 | yeah |
| 02:48.52 | blast007 | I'll fix this up quick |
| 02:49.05 | JeffM2501 | eww it dosn't have a project? just a mak file? |
| 02:49.43 | blast007 | yeah...have to use nmake ;) |
| 02:49.54 | JeffM2501 | how so very.... 20th centry |
| 02:50.05 | blast007 | 2.8 has prebuilt libraries |
| 02:50.11 | blast007 | didn't check on 2.7 |
| 02:50.16 | JeffM2501 | but you said 2.8 dosn't work |
| 02:50.33 | blast007 | right |
| 02:50.37 | blast007 | at least with our wrapper |
| 02:50.58 | JeffM2501 | I don't feel like mucking with it |
| 02:51.03 | JeffM2501 | do you have a lib and DLL? |
| 02:51.16 | JeffM2501 | we can update our wraper for 2.1 |
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| 02:54.47 | blast007 | JeffM2501: here's my whole build directory for pdcurses (1.2MB zipped): http://bz.porteighty.org/downloads/pdcurs26_built.zip |
| 02:54.57 | JeffM2501 | cool thanks |
| 02:54.58 | blast007 | the lib is in the win32 directory as pdcurses.lib |
| 02:55.04 | blast007 | and the includes are in the root |
| 02:55.10 | JeffM2501 | I'll also try 2.7, it has a binary |
| 02:55.14 | blast007 | k |
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| 02:58.11 | JeffM2501 | you put it back to pdcurses too right? |
| 02:58.16 | blast007 | yup |
| 02:58.25 | JeffM2501 | sweet |
| 02:58.38 | JeffM2501 | geting latest now and I'll make sure it builds for me |
| 02:58.46 | blast007 | k |
| 03:01.32 | JeffM2501 | and it's a static lib right? no dll? |
| 03:02.38 | JeffM2501 | or is it curses.dll? |
| 03:06.47 | JeffM2501 | and how do you start it with the curses interface? |
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| 03:23.24 | purple_cow | haha |
| 03:23.56 | JeffM2501 | tho I think learner is going to fix up that file more tho |
| 03:24.00 | JeffM2501 | but yeah |
| 03:24.07 | JeffM2501 | kinda made me go "umm" |
| 03:24.41 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 03:25.00 | purple_cow | i should stick a commont in the .desktop file... |
| 03:25.08 | purple_cow | when's the release? |
| 03:25.17 | JeffM2501 | probably this weekend |
| 03:25.29 | JeffM2501 | saturday most likely |
| 03:25.39 | JeffM2501 | so we have time to fix up little install/build thingys |
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| 03:31.45 | bryjen | heh. Commont, purple_cow ? |
| 03:31.55 | bryjen | and version 0.9.4 |
| 03:32.54 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03davidtrowbridge 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/misc/bzflag.desktop.in: Damned fingers |
| 03:33.36 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/package/win32/nsis/ (bzflag.exe.manifest BZFlag.nsi Makefile.am): techincaly we are suposed to have a "manifest" file in our package. |
| 03:36.26 | purple_cow | bryjen: i think that's xdg-desktop spec version, not package version |
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| 03:37.05 | bryjen | yeah, just reading a bit about that now |
| 03:45.49 | blast007 | JeffM2501: yeah, no .dll |
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| 03:59.15 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/mediafile/MediaFile.cxx: |
| 03:59.15 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: disable SDL_image |
| 03:59.16 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: - avoids the untrapped stderr warnings |
| 03:59.16 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: - better to have consistent image loading capabilities and failures |
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| 04:47.49 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03blast007 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/win32/VC71/ (bzadmin.vcproj bzflag.sln): Remove Release_pdcurses configuration, add pdcurses to Debug configuration, remove unneeded preprocessor define for pdcurses, bzadmin post build event |
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| 05:29.08 | stahlsau_ | NICK |
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| 05:56.51 | SportChick | DTRemenak: ping |
| 05:57.47 | SportChick | DTRemenak: unping :) |
| 05:59.49 | DTRemenak | well, unpong then :P |
| 06:02.45 | SportChick | DTRemenak: heeh |
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| 15:56.04 | brlcad | JeffM2501: heh, yeah, it's totally redone, but I'll redo the note :) |
| 15:56.20 | JeffM2501 | note? |
| 15:56.36 | brlcad | about crs now knowing you |
| 15:56.41 | JeffM2501 | oh heh |
| 15:56.46 | JeffM2501 | well he dosn't |
| 15:56.55 | JeffM2501 | but I don't think he knows you ether ;) |
| 15:57.04 | JeffM2501 | techincaly I'm in both camps |
| 15:58.02 | brlcad | it's a bit odd regardless |
| 15:58.09 | JeffM2501 | it is |
| 15:58.10 | brlcad | he doesn't know a lot of people :) |
| 15:58.36 | JeffM2501 | that list of people is people he found on the openGL dev list who said would help him out before he went open souce |
| 15:58.45 | JeffM2501 | when he was going to go comercial |
| 15:59.10 | JeffM2501 | then that kinda died |
| 15:59.20 | brlcad | hmm, so might need to remove a chunk of people I have listed either as devs of contributors of some sort |
| 15:59.35 | JeffM2501 | tim and a few others were still puttering on it, Tim asked if he coudl OS it, and CRS said yes, and tim became maintainer |
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| 16:03.08 | brlcad | ahhh |
| 16:03.10 | brlcad | bastage :) |
| 16:04.28 | JeffM2501 | techicnaly I'm still sick |
| 16:04.31 | JeffM2501 | soo.... |
| 16:04.37 | JeffM2501 | and it's all rainy outside |
| 16:08.56 | brlcad | heh, uh huh .. suure |
| 16:09.13 | JeffM2501 | and I get like 4 weeks off a year :) |
| 16:09.21 | brlcad | technically i'm working |
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| 16:16.55 | brlcad | and now s/technically/actually/ |
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| 16:41.40 | Nidhoggr | so, what's the deal with some bug causing my bzfs to use 75% of cpu? |
| 16:42.36 | orange | Nidhoggr: hi |
| 16:42.53 | Nidhoggr | hi |
| 16:43.12 | orange | I've not seen that from bzfs |
| 16:43.22 | orange | DNS issues? |
| 16:43.31 | Nidhoggr | no. it's a playback bug or something |
| 16:43.44 | Nidhoggr | I saw it in scrollback. JeffM2501 was talking about it to someone. |
| 16:47.01 | Nidhoggr | hrm. |
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| 16:49.59 | Nidhoggr | I just biffed the bzfs that was taking the most cpu and am checking to see how the load average goes. |
| 16:51.10 | JeffM2501 | brlcad had mentioned it |
| 16:51.37 | JeffM2501 | woah. yeah it's loading pages a LOT faster |
| 16:52.19 | Nidhoggr | seriously... my hardware is half-way decent... so if it's slow, it's not bandwidth. I have far more than I will ever use. |
| 16:52.29 | Nidhoggr | strange stuff |
| 16:52.35 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 16:52.56 | JeffM2501 | well when I download a beta version I still only get like 17k |
| 16:52.59 | Nidhoggr | I suppose I could shove secretplace server on a different box. |
| 16:53.20 | Nidhoggr | not sure which box would work. |
| 16:53.52 | JeffM2501 | we plan on moving the list and froums and stuff to bzflag.bz to help you out money wise, and keep yours as a backup |
| 16:53.57 | Nidhoggr | there was no one on the server, so it was something with bzfs. |
| 16:54.10 | JeffM2501 | well then it'll probalby be fine now then |
| 16:54.11 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 16:54.18 | JeffM2501 | how did your bead sale go? |
| 16:54.32 | Nidhoggr | I'm doing fairly well right now with beads. |
| 16:54.49 | JeffM2501 | cool, congrats |
| 16:54.55 | Nidhoggr | I still have a broken car. in a loaner right now. |
| 16:55.06 | Nidhoggr | it's been in the shop for over a week. |
| 16:55.51 | JeffM2501 | what broke on it? |
| 16:56.48 | Nidhoggr | it started with serpentine belt and check engine light. |
| 16:57.56 | Nidhoggr | they replaced belt, and a vacuum hose, a coolant system flange, ac compressor, door switch, ignition wires, strut mounts and some stuff I can't remember. now it's the coolant fan. |
| 16:58.12 | Nidhoggr | and I had to do a regular maintenance or my warranty would be void. |
| 16:58.41 | JeffM2501 | wow |
| 16:58.43 | JeffM2501 | that's a lot |
| 16:58.46 | orange | shotgun troubleshooting |
| 16:58.57 | Nidhoggr | not really. it all needed to be done. |
| 16:59.13 | orange | so it wasn't all to solve the same issue? |
| 16:59.13 | JeffM2501 | just sucks to have to have it done all at once ;) |
| 16:59.15 | Nidhoggr | it hadn't been in the shop in 2 years, and I drive that car pretty hard. |
| 16:59.41 | Nidhoggr | no.. just stuff they find... also dealing with lights that come on and stuff. |
| 16:59.44 | JeffM2501 | hmmm I guess a 250w power supply isn't meaty enough to run a FX5700 :( |
| 16:59.45 | brlcad | playback was one cpu user, but also spawn placement |
| 17:00.10 | brlcad | if it can't find a "safe" spot to drop a player, then it sort of heats up the cpu and gets all mad |
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| 17:01.19 | Nidhoggr | I only have 1 other bzfs still running and the load is staying around .2-.6 |
| 17:02.17 | JeffM2501 | this sucks.. I tracked my DSL problem .. down to my mac :( |
| 17:02.23 | A_Meteorite | LOL |
| 17:02.30 | Nidhoggr | what is the problem, JeffM2501 ? |
| 17:02.39 | A_Meteorite | You probably didn't set it up right. ;) |
| 17:02.40 | orange | and your ipod died... apple has forsaken you |
| 17:03.00 | JeffM2501 | if I leave the mac on for too long ( a couple days ) then it freaks out the DSL modem and makes it reset constantly |
| 17:03.07 | A_Meteorite | woah... |
| 17:03.08 | JeffM2501 | well the ipod was my fault |
| 17:03.14 | A_Meteorite | ok, that's weird |
| 17:03.15 | orange | oh, OK :-) |
| 17:03.20 | JeffM2501 | yet if I take the mac outa the system then it works fine |
| 17:03.28 | A_Meteorite | is it connected to a router? |
| 17:03.34 | JeffM2501 | my modem is a router |
| 17:03.40 | A_Meteorite | mine's connected to a router and can be on for a week and works fine |
| 17:03.44 | A_Meteorite | or more |
| 17:04.20 | Nidhoggr | that sucks. |
| 17:04.23 | JeffM2501 | maybe I'll put everyone behind the linksys.. maybe it's something with the westell and the mac |
| 17:04.38 | Nidhoggr | could be |
| 17:04.53 | orange | hmmm, my home desktop has been up 111 days... that's surprising |
| 17:05.19 | JeffM2501 | the ipod busted cus I pulled it out before it finished a firmware update... that was my own dumb fault |
| 17:05.27 | JeffM2501 | forgot the mac was even on |
| 17:05.40 | A_Meteorite | lol |
| 17:05.41 | orange | ohhh, no low-level tftp recovery on the ipod? |
| 17:05.48 | JeffM2501 | it's a shuffle |
| 17:05.52 | orange | I guess apple can fix it? |
| 17:06.00 | orange | but probably for more $$$ than a new one |
| 17:06.03 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 17:06.11 | JeffM2501 | I could use a bigger one anyway |
| 17:06.18 | JeffM2501 | a new one would be only 100$ |
| 17:07.08 | JeffM2501 | from what I read, the shuffles don't reset as well or as easy as the biger ipods |
| 17:08.24 | Nidhoggr | I need to educate admins on suid on bzfs so it doesn't run as root. |
| 17:08.45 | JeffM2501 | wen't you in a chroot jail? |
| 17:09.28 | Nidhoggr | yes, bit it still runs as root, which is bad. |
| 17:10.01 | A_Meteorite | root can get out of chroots... can't they? |
| 17:10.17 | Mr_Molez | yup |
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| 17:11.08 | brlcad | ack.. |
| 17:11.36 | JeffM2501 | he got all unrully |
| 17:11.45 | Nidhoggr | I just restarted both bzfs processes. hopefully it doesn't go crazy. |
| 17:11.59 | brlcad | his IP isn't responding either.. |
| 17:12.05 | Nidhoggr | bummer. :( |
| 17:12.08 | mozul | JeffM2501 have you forced the iPod into disk mode before trying to restore it? |
| 17:12.29 | JeffM2501 | mozul, the computers won't even see it |
| 17:12.30 | brlcad | Nidhoggr: were the servers busy? |
| 17:12.34 | JeffM2501 | so I can't set it to disk mode |
| 17:12.37 | Nidhoggr | no |
| 17:12.37 | brlcad | i mean - playerwise |
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| 17:12.42 | JeffM2501 | tho it should have allways been in disk mode |
| 17:12.46 | Nidhoggr | and now the CPU is pegged at .99. |
| 17:12.54 | brlcad | oh, interesting.. don't think i've heard that one |
| 17:12.59 | Nidhoggr | it's starting tosettle. |
| 17:13.10 | Nidhoggr | nope. no players. |
| 17:13.21 | mozul | you can set it into disk mode with a special button sequence. |
| 17:13.28 | JeffM2501 | it's a shuffle |
| 17:13.30 | mozul | at least you can on a 4g ipod |
| 17:13.31 | brlcad | the startup cost is probably just the collision detection algorithm computing what it needs |
| 17:13.33 | JeffM2501 | not a "real" ipod |
| 17:13.45 | JeffM2501 | shuffles don't even have an interface |
| 17:13.58 | brlcad | you mean a gui interface :) |
| 17:13.58 | mozul | buttons and an led |
| 17:14.01 | Nidhoggr | I wonder if I could get tim to strip the debian kernel on that box down to minimal configuration. just what is needed. |
| 17:14.33 | Nidhoggr | it is still doing stupid ipv6 stuff automatically. |
| 17:14.47 | JeffM2501 | I don't think you need tim for that |
| 17:15.34 | mozul | http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=300595 <resetting ipod shuffle |
| 17:16.04 | Nidhoggr | well, if I did it, I would have to take the machine down for a few minutes... and compiling the kernel on that box with the load already on it would be bad. |
| 17:16.05 | JeffM2501 | yeah did that |
| 17:16.08 | JeffM2501 | didn't do anything |
| 17:16.47 | A_Meteorite | JeffM2501: you really messed it up then... ;) |
| 17:16.54 | JeffM2501 | yup |
| 17:17.01 | A_Meteorite | Makes a (pretty) paper weight |
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| 17:17.05 | JeffM2501 | not really |
| 17:17.08 | JeffM2501 | it's very light |
| 17:17.10 | A_Meteorite | heh |
| 17:17.39 | A_Meteorite | I never actually come into physical contact with a shuffle |
| 17:17.47 | A_Meteorite | *gasp* I don't even own an iPod |
| 17:17.58 | A_Meteorite | but I've seen a mini in person... they're sweet |
| 17:18.00 | A_Meteorite | so small |
| 17:18.07 | JeffM2501 | they don't make mini's anymore |
| 17:18.13 | A_Meteorite | awww |
| 17:18.26 | A_Meteorite | I mean the nano |
| 17:18.27 | A_Meteorite | lol |
| 17:18.49 | JeffM2501 | I'm ether gonna get a nano, 5 gig zen micro, or a 30 gig video |
| 17:19.21 | brlcad | if the nano did video, it'd be an easy choice |
| 17:19.31 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 17:19.36 | Nidhoggr | I got the 60 gb video ipod. it's really nice. |
| 17:19.46 | JeffM2501 | it's big tho |
| 17:19.52 | A_Meteorite | how many hours of video you got on it? |
| 17:19.53 | Nidhoggr | not that big. |
| 17:19.53 | mozul | im happy with my 40gig 4th generation iPod |
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| 17:20.06 | JeffM2501 | Nidhoggr, bigger then a shuffle ;) |
| 17:20.18 | Nidhoggr | I currently have about 20 hours of video on it. |
| 17:20.19 | brlcad | presuming you saw the announcement about apple providing the means to install windows on them today? |
| 17:20.29 | Nidhoggr | I saw that. |
| 17:20.29 | A_Meteorite | HUH? |
| 17:20.33 | JeffM2501 | boot camp beta |
| 17:20.40 | brlcad | yeah, interesting |
| 17:20.43 | JeffM2501 | bootloader |
| 17:20.44 | Mr_Molez | I can't believe the flag spawn bug is still around |
| 17:20.49 | JeffM2501 | I knew they were gonna do it |
| 17:20.53 | brlcad | the bootloader was already there |
| 17:20.56 | JeffM2501 | it's going to be a HUGE marketing thng |
| 17:21.06 | JeffM2501 | they just didn't want anyone to do it before them |
| 17:21.20 | brlcad | it's the emi and other device drivers and the repartion tool.. |
| 17:21.34 | JeffM2501 | they will have add campaigns "use the mac for your stuff.. then windows when you HAVE to" |
| 17:21.40 | Nidhoggr | so after doing all this restarting, I think the bare fact about service/secretplace is that the machine isn't powerful enough to house all of it at the same time without slowing down. |
| 17:22.01 | Nidhoggr | with no bzfs running the cpu still spikes to .6 and higher. |
| 17:22.03 | A_Meteorite | is it just secretplace or is there more on it? |
| 17:22.06 | brlcad | Nidhoggr: the bzfs an optimized bzfs? |
| 17:22.07 | Nidhoggr | nope |
| 17:22.07 | A_Meteorite | woah |
| 17:22.14 | Nidhoggr | optimized? |
| 17:22.16 | JeffM2501 | I wish the mini had better video |
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| 17:22.19 | brlcad | -O3 |
| 17:22.37 | A_Meteorite | oh.. what kind of connection is secretplace on? |
| 17:22.38 | Nidhoggr | whatever the default are for compile most likely. |
| 17:22.38 | brlcad | should save some cycles |
| 17:22.46 | brlcad | ah, default is O3 |
| 17:22.47 | Nidhoggr | my admins are doing the compiling lately. |
| 17:22.49 | brlcad | er, O2 |
| 17:22.50 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 17:22.51 | Nidhoggr | hrm. |
| 17:22.59 | JeffM2501 | A_Meteorite, it's at a datacenter, bandwtih is not the issue |
| 17:23.07 | A_Meteorite | well, I just wanted to know :) |
| 17:23.20 | A_Meteorite | nothing to do with the CPU load |
| 17:23.31 | JeffM2501 | he's on a 100 meg line IIRC |
| 17:23.36 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 17:23.48 | A_Meteorite | niice |
| 17:23.49 | Nidhoggr | I can put it on a gig connection, but we aren't using more than a few mbps. |
| 17:24.05 | A_Meteorite | mind me asking... *cough* how much it costs? |
| 17:24.06 | brlcad | yeah, hard to eat up all the bandwidth :) |
| 17:24.36 | Nidhoggr | A_Meteorite: I spend about $50 per mbps |
| 17:24.44 | A_Meteorite | omg |
| 17:24.55 | A_Meteorite | that's what... $5,000/month |
| 17:25.04 | Nidhoggr | no... about 150 |
| 17:25.08 | JeffM2501 | depends how many mps |
| 17:25.14 | JeffM2501 | that's not megs per month |
| 17:25.16 | Nidhoggr | I only use a few. |
| 17:25.19 | JeffM2501 | megs per second per month |
| 17:25.19 | A_Meteorite | oh |
| 17:25.21 | Nidhoggr | it's averaged. |
| 17:25.26 | A_Meteorite | I see |
| 17:25.34 | A_Meteorite | I thought you had to pay for the whole line |
| 17:25.38 | Nidhoggr | so that's about 900 GB transfer per month. |
| 17:25.40 | JeffM2501 | it's actualy a very good deal |
| 17:25.45 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 17:25.49 | A_Meteorite | seems so |
| 17:26.16 | Nidhoggr | the issue is definitely the machine is too weak to deal with things. |
| 17:26.33 | Nidhoggr | apache is taking up most of the cpu on average. |
| 17:26.44 | JeffM2501 | well I'm going to pull off the beta downloads |
| 17:26.51 | A_Meteorite | heh |
| 17:27.02 | Nidhoggr | check to see how much they are being downloaded. |
| 17:27.04 | A_Meteorite | any way to move to lighttpd? |
| 17:27.08 | Nidhoggr | it's probably not much. |
| 17:27.13 | JeffM2501 | no it's not much |
| 17:27.14 | Nidhoggr | dunno |
| 17:27.18 | JeffM2501 | but it's at least something I can move now |
| 17:27.21 | JeffM2501 | with little impact |
| 17:27.24 | Nidhoggr | apache2 is a bit of a pig lately. |
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| 17:27.51 | A_Meteorite | what do you use on it? php and just mysql? |
| 17:28.04 | Nidhoggr | pretty much |
| 17:28.15 | A_Meteorite | well... lighttpd can fit the bill |
| 17:28.32 | JeffM2501 | or we split it up. so we have redundancy |
| 17:28.40 | A_Meteorite | there was a comparison between apache2 and lighttpd |
| 17:28.51 | A_Meteorite | and both sites were slashdotted |
| 17:29.08 | A_Meteorite | apache2 used over a gig of ram and lighttpd used a couple hundred MBs |
| 17:29.24 | Nidhoggr | if we were slashdotted today, we'd probably not do as good as we did last time. |
| 17:29.29 | A_Meteorite | heh |
| 17:29.31 | Nidhoggr | do we have more users than we used to? |
| 17:29.37 | A_Meteorite | heck yeah |
| 17:29.38 | JeffM2501 | not really |
| 17:29.39 | Nidhoggr | I am so out of touch. |
| 17:29.49 | JeffM2501 | it's holding at about 1000 active |
| 17:29.56 | JeffM2501 | 200ish playing at any one time |
| 17:30.06 | A_Meteorite | oh.. |
| 17:30.21 | Nidhoggr | that's about twice what it was when I stepped back. |
| 17:30.28 | JeffM2501 | not really |
| 17:30.39 | JeffM2501 | now we have more servers |
| 17:30.42 | JeffM2501 | that is a truth |
| 17:30.59 | A_Meteorite | I remember when I first started |
| 17:31.04 | A_Meteorite | there was about 120 servers |
| 17:31.08 | A_Meteorite | now it's up to 170 |
| 17:31.20 | Nidhoggr | I think we may end up needing to dedicate a box to just services. |
| 17:31.36 | Nidhoggr | I'd do that if I could put bzfs on another of my boxes without too many problems. |
| 17:31.41 | Nidhoggr | just don't know what box to use. |
| 17:31.55 | Nidhoggr | hrm. I have an old cobalt with 512 mb of ram. |
| 17:32.02 | Nidhoggr | not being used. |
| 17:32.14 | Nidhoggr | maybe that might help. |
| 17:32.28 | Nidhoggr | since the services seem to take up much more resources than the bzfs. |
| 17:32.40 | Nidhoggr | I will work on it and test it sometime before the weekend. |
| 17:33.31 | A_Meteorite | *sigh* I got to run |
| 17:33.34 | A_Meteorite | was nice talking |
| 17:33.41 | JeffM2501 | see ya |
| 17:33.44 | A_Meteorite | cya |
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| 17:41.38 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10web/images/ (9 files): remove the evil "text mode" images |
| 17:42.50 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10web/images/ (11 files): in with the new binary mode images ( huzzah ) |
| 17:44.02 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10web/ (document.php general.css index.php): update with latest changes |
| 17:44.17 | SportyGal | where has orchid been? |
| 17:45.28 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10web/screenshots/ (75 files): more silly text mode images |
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| 21:12.03 | testert | hello |
| 21:12.07 | testert | anyone here? |
| 21:12.21 | Mr_Molez | hi |
| 21:14.17 | Gnurdux | im here Ert |
| 21:14.23 | Ert | ;) |
| 21:14.44 | Ert | 08C04o06o05l |
| 21:15.15 | Ert | .... |
| 21:15.54 | Ert | hy mr_M |
| 21:16.05 | Mr_Molez | Ert: HELLO :) |
| 21:16.11 | SportyGal | Ert: hiya |
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| 21:16.33 | Ert | i am new here ... in irc |
| 21:16.59 | SportyGal | Ert: go to #guleague instead |
| 21:17.07 | SportyGal | Ert: this is more for the developers |
| 21:17.10 | SportyGal | not chatting |
| 21:17.20 | Ert | 04oh |
| 21:17.23 | Ert | sorry |
| 21:17.28 | SportyGal | don't be :) |
| 21:17.34 | SportyGal | just telling you now instead of later :) |
| 21:22.39 | brlcad | i wouldn't say it's "more" for developers, but distractive/offtoppic chatter is not tolerated for very long so it can always be used by devs (or whomever) .. or something like that :) |
| 21:30.10 | menotume | yes, devs need the BW for chatter |
| 21:34.21 | SportyGal | aribeth!! |
| 21:34.36 | Aribeth | hi Sporty |
| 21:34.47 | SportyGal | Aribeth: hehe, I saw someone who had "bring back sleepycows" in their email string last night :) |
| 21:34.55 | Aribeth | yep |
| 21:35.31 | Aribeth | looks like a drive is on to bering it back |
| 21:35.49 | SportyGal | they gonna pay for it too? :) |
| 21:37.22 | Nidhoggr | I want to figure out what domain name I want to put the new test server under. |
| 21:37.39 | Nidhoggr | probably dragon.org |
| 21:45.16 | SportyGal | ~menotume++ |
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| 21:47.24 | unotmeu | ~menotume-- |
| 21:47.31 | gsnedders | ? |
| 21:47.33 | DTRemenak | ~menotume++ |
| 21:47.45 | DTRemenak | you will not succeed :) |
| 21:47.52 | SportyGal | ~menotume++ |
| 21:47.53 | menotume | yes i will |
| 21:47.55 | menotume | :) |
| 21:48.09 | menotume | menobot will rescue me while you're all sleeping :) |
| 21:48.32 | SportyGal | ~menotume++ |
| 21:49.07 | DTRemenak | more than one can play that game, menotume :) |
| 21:49.16 | SportyGal | he started at 67 and now he's at 88 |
| 21:49.17 | SportyGal | hehe |
| 21:50.13 | menotume | will be 20 by tomorrow morning :) |
| 21:50.23 | DTRemenak | or maybe 200 |
| 21:50.28 | Aribeth | 400 |
| 21:50.35 | menotume | for every +, i will do 2 - |
| 21:50.38 | Aribeth | ~menotume++ |
| 21:50.48 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 21:51.20 | Gnurdux | ~menotume++ |
| 21:51.36 | Aribeth | ~menotume++ |
| 21:51.47 | SportyGal | :) |
| 21:51.52 | menotume | ugg |
| 21:51.54 | Aribeth | ~karma menotume |
| 21:51.54 | ibot | menotume has karma of 98 |
| 21:52.03 | Gnurdux | lets raise ti to 100 |
| 21:52.07 | DTRemenak | there are more of us than there are of you |
| 21:52.08 | Gnurdux | ~menotume++ |
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| 21:54.03 | *** topic/#bzflag is http://BZFlag.org/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/bb/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/GettingHelp || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/Download || #bzchat for casual chat || paste to http://bzflag.pastebin.ca || CVS HEAD is now 2.1 unstable || stable v2_0branch is virtually frozen due to imminent release || CVS dev is broken while anonymous is still up |
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| 21:54.05 | Gnurdux | ~karma menotume |
| 21:54.05 | ibot | menotume has karma of 99 |
| 21:54.08 | menotume | TimRiker: make it stop ! :) |
| 21:54.16 | menotume | take me to -100 |
| 21:54.22 | Aribeth | ~menotume++ |
| 21:54.28 | Gnurdux | YAY we are done |
| 21:55.29 | Birdie | DTRemenak: some guy should be messaging you for a emailchange? |
| 21:55.54 | DTRemenak | he can, sure. |
| 21:55.57 | DTRemenak | or jeff |
| 21:56.34 | Birdie | his nick wasnt registered, is why you cant see his pm"s, i told him to talk in public on #bzchat |
| 21:56.47 | DTRemenak | ah, ok :) |
| 21:57.31 | Birdie | its confusing for players that i have ops on #bzchat but cant change things for them on bzbb, i got such requests several times allready |
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| 22:44.55 | PuMpErNiCkLe | meh |
| 22:45.03 | Mr_Molez | heh |
| 22:45.17 | PuMpErNiCkLe | I wasn't cheating. :p |
| 22:45.21 | Mr_Molez | sure :) |
| 22:46.11 | PuMpErNiCkLe | It's possible there was a bug of some sort, since I'm using an old beta 2.0.5, but it's a completely official cvs version. |
| 22:46.33 | Mr_Molez | anything is possible |
| 22:46.58 | PuMpErNiCkLe | ...right |
| 22:47.02 | blast007 | even flying pigs |
| 22:47.27 | blast007 | whoop, there goes one past the window |
| 22:48.02 | Mr_Molez | ahh that is probably the same one i saw earlier . Does it have 3 dots on its right side ? |
| 22:48.10 | DTRemenak | moral: even pigs like the wings flag |
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| 23:02.53 | purple_cow | hehe |
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| 23:13.46 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03menotume 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Prevent long callsigns from overwriting lagstat info. |
| 23:14.00 | Mr_Molez | yay ! |
| 23:14.05 | menotume | hehe |
| 23:14.14 | eXtreme | ~menotume++ ! |
| 23:14.16 | Mr_Molez | me smooches menotume |
| 23:14.21 | menotume | ewwwww |
| 23:14.29 | menotume | watch it, or i'll revery it :P |
| 23:14.31 | menotume | revert |
| 23:14.38 | JBdiGriz | Go get your own chat room! |
| 23:14.50 | menotume | lol |
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| 23:16.22 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/package/win32/nsis/BZFlag.nsi: |
| 23:16.22 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: cleanup sample servers, |
| 23:16.22 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: move needed files out of data dir ( maps and configs ) so they work. |
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| 23:20.49 | learner | yay |
| 23:21.00 | CBG | yipee |
| 23:21.19 | DTRemenak | ah, brlcad was looking for you earlier, learner :) |
| 23:21.29 | learner | i'm avoiding him |
| 23:21.42 | learner | scares me |
| 23:21.47 | JeffM2501 | yeah he was all "that learner is a bastage" |
| 23:22.00 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/package/win32/nsis/BZFlag.nsi: |
| 23:22.00 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: move extra stuff to /misc in install dir |
| 23:22.00 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: includ sample groups, badwords, and vars files. |
| 23:22.10 | learner | heh |
| 23:22.16 | DTRemenak | hm, I thought we didn't want to include badwords? |
| 23:22.42 | JeffM2501 | oh we don't? |
| 23:22.48 | JeffM2501 | it's included with source right? |
| 23:22.49 | DTRemenak | not that I care, just recalling consensus |
| 23:22.55 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 23:22.59 | JeffM2501 | I just figured if source had it |
| 23:23.00 | JeffM2501 | ... |
| 23:23.10 | DTRemenak | that's why I don't care :P |
| 23:23.11 | JeffM2501 | just doing the stuff to build a server |
| 23:23.14 | learner | source has it, but yeah.. we weren't including it in binary dists |
| 23:23.20 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 23:23.57 | learner | i don't think it was a big deal back then either |
| 23:24.05 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/package/win32/nsis/BZFlag.nsi: no curse words for the kiddies |
| 23:24.16 | JeffM2501 | I was just going thru what we installed |
| 23:24.22 | JeffM2501 | and where |
| 23:24.32 | JeffM2501 | and what we put for the command line options on the server shortcuts |
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| 23:25.10 | learner | could even remove it from source and make it cvs-only, but meh |
| 23:25.23 | im_fine_u | can anyone tell me how to make plugins on windows? |
| 23:25.34 | JeffM2501 | im_fine_u, what compiler do you have? |
| 23:25.43 | im_fine_u | Dev C++ |
| 23:25.49 | learner | heh |
| 23:25.56 | JeffM2501 | can't do plugins with devc++ |
| 23:26.03 | CBG | What's wrong with the badwords file? You're thinking kids are using it for new ideas? o.O |
| 23:26.10 | im_fine_u | what can I make them in? |
| 23:26.18 | JeffM2501 | im_fine_u, visual C++ |
| 23:26.26 | Gnurdux | or a decent OS :P |
| 23:26.29 | JeffM2501 | CBG, windows binary is the bigest distro |
| 23:26.33 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, shut up please |
| 23:26.40 | JeffM2501 | nothing is wrong with windows |
| 23:26.48 | JeffM2501 | plugins were made on windows |
| 23:26.57 | JeffM2501 | im_fine_u, most plugins are made with a windows binary |
| 23:27.02 | im_fine_u | alright |
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| 23:27.14 | JeffM2501 | if you have to build your own, you can get VIsual C++ .net 2005 express edition |
| 23:27.26 | JeffM2501 | what plugin did you want to run? |
| 23:27.51 | im_fine_u | i want to make one |
| 23:28.03 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 23:28.12 | JeffM2501 | then yeah simplest is to get a copy of VC |
| 23:28.15 | Gnurdux | im_fine_u, what do you want it to do? |
| 23:28.17 | JeffM2501 | the free express edition will work |
| 23:28.30 | im_fine_u | i'll download the visual C thing from Microsoft.com |
| 23:28.56 | JeffM2501 | then you just need to add the bzfsAPI.h and bzfs.lib from your binary install to the VC directorys |
| 23:29.01 | JeffM2501 | and then you can build plugins |
| 23:29.09 | JeffM2501 | you'll want to get the sources for the sample plugins |
| 23:29.23 | im_fine_u | i have the sources already |
| 23:29.24 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, he has the source for bz |
| 23:29.36 | JeffM2501 | then he won't have to get it |
| 23:29.58 | JeffM2501 | it's a lot more work to set up VC EE to build full bzflag then it is to just build a plugin |
| 23:30.25 | DTRemenak | heh, "nothing is wrong with windows"... can I quote you on that? :P |
| 23:30.41 | JeffM2501 | no more then any other OS ;) |
| 23:30.47 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 23:31.28 | JeffM2501 | linux ain't allways great ether... had to spend an hour yesterday hunting down what the driver name for an s3 video chipset was |
| 23:31.34 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/README.WIN32: proofread |
| 23:31.36 | JeffM2501 | when windows would have auto detected ;) |
| 23:31.41 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, thanks :) |
| 23:31.52 | JeffM2501 | I spell checked it but that's not always everything |
| 23:32.10 | DTRemenak | yeah, noticed that it was relatively devoid of spelling errors :) |
| 23:32.23 | JeffM2501 | I can be taught ;) |
| 23:32.33 | JeffM2501 | the electric shocks help |
| 23:33.58 | JeffM2501 | there was a girl involved |
| 23:34.06 | learner | isn't there usually? |
| 23:34.17 | JeffM2501 | I just have to go back and get it from her |
| 23:34.27 | learner | sounds like a mugging |
| 23:34.35 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 23:34.47 | JeffM2501 | friend of a friend works there, so she can get the commision |
| 23:34.54 | JeffM2501 | or credit or whatever |
| 23:35.17 | learner | and give you one of the discounts hopefully |
| 23:35.21 | JeffM2501 | maybe |
| 23:35.23 | JeffM2501 | we'll see |
| 23:35.35 | JeffM2501 | and now it seems I need a new power supply :( |
| 23:36.20 | JeffM2501 | cus somehow I don't think a SIS 740 onboard video chipset is going to do me well |
| 23:38.07 | im_fine_u | still downloading.... |
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| 23:48.32 | im_fine_u | Jeff |
| 23:48.42 | JeffM2501 | im |
| 23:48.51 | im_fine_u | I downloaded VC ++ |
| 23:48.56 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 23:49.01 | im_fine_u | now what? |
| 23:49.09 | JeffM2501 | do you know how to program in C++? |
| 23:49.13 | im_fine_u | yes |
| 23:49.46 | JeffM2501 | then you just need to copy the bzfsAPI.h and bzfs.lib from your binary install of bzflag to the inc and lib dirs for VC |
| 23:49.50 | JeffM2501 | then just build your plugin |
| 23:50.03 | im_fine_u | ok, thanks for your help |
| 23:50.08 | JeffM2501 | best of luck |
| 23:51.14 | PuMpErNiCkLe | wtf is 'god mode', and why would people think I'd be using it? |
| 23:51.27 | im_fine_u | because you did |
| 23:51.27 | JeffM2501 | do you die when shot? |
| 23:51.35 | im_fine_u | thats why i banned you |
| 23:51.46 | im_fine_u | he is using it |
| 23:51.52 | JeffM2501 | there are other cases that look like it |
| 23:51.59 | JeffM2501 | so don't be too quick to judge there skip |
| 23:52.01 | PuMpErNiCkLe | I didn't, unless someone hacked my box and replaced my bzflag client. o_O |
| 23:52.09 | im_fine_u | well, he had no lag or jitter |
| 23:52.10 | JeffM2501 | is your lag very high? |
| 23:52.16 | PuMpErNiCkLe | not afaik |
| 23:52.22 | Mr_Molez | Wasn't it me that banned :P ? |
| 23:52.23 | JeffM2501 | what OS are you on? |
| 23:52.29 | PuMpErNiCkLe | ubuntu dapper |
| 23:52.32 | im_fine_u | yea you, mr_molez |
| 23:52.34 | JeffM2501 | AMD64? |
| 23:52.35 | im_fine_u | oops |
| 23:52.35 | PuMpErNiCkLe | (unstable release) |
| 23:52.38 | PuMpErNiCkLe | no, P4 |
| 23:52.49 | im_fine_u | unstable.... |
| 23:52.49 | JeffM2501 | using the binary package? or did you build yourself? |
| 23:52.53 | im_fine_u | could be a bug |
| 23:52.55 | PuMpErNiCkLe | It's an older cvs |
| 23:53.02 | JeffM2501 | you built it tho? |
| 23:53.04 | PuMpErNiCkLe | I've tried updating, but I can't seem to get anything newer. |
| 23:53.09 | PuMpErNiCkLe | yeah |
| 23:53.14 | PuMpErNiCkLe | straight configure/make |
| 23:53.14 | JeffM2501 | then it should work fine |
| 23:53.39 | PuMpErNiCkLe | *should* - it doesn't seem to be |
| 23:53.44 | im_fine_u | i swear, he was bragging about it in a pm he sent to me |
| 23:53.45 | JeffM2501 | hard to say then |
| 23:54.05 | JeffM2501 | im_fine_u, the ban is between your server and him. no need to go on about it |
| 23:54.18 | im_fine_u | s'not my server |
| 23:54.18 | Gnurdux | im_fine_u, what plugin do you want to make? |
| 23:54.24 | Gnurdux | YD's right? |
| 23:54.26 | im_fine_u | not sure yet.. |
| 23:54.28 | im_fine_u | yea |
| 23:54.30 | Gnurdux | hehe |
| 23:54.33 | Gnurdux | you dont know? |
| 23:54.40 | Gnurdux | then why do you want to? |
| 23:54.42 | PuMpErNiCkLe | YD's, and now another |
| 23:54.47 | im_fine_u | im pretty sure i do now |
| 23:55.00 | im_fine_u | Jeff told me how |
| 23:55.01 | Gnurdux | im_fine_u, why do you want to? |
| 23:55.02 | JeffM2501 | PuMpErNiCkLe, you should find out what the problem is before you get banned more places |
| 23:55.17 | PuMpErNiCkLe | JeffM2501: Sure, but how? |
| 23:55.18 | im_fine_u | i think it would be fun to |
| 23:55.21 | JeffM2501 | you may want to go back to the 2.0.4 tarball and build from that to see if that helps |
| 23:55.43 | Gnurdux | im_fine_u, i have 65.3 GB in my linux partition :P |
| 23:55.55 | PuMpErNiCkLe | I s'pose, although I really like the new stuff in .5 - higher fps, new effects, and all that |
| 23:55.56 | Gnurdux | im_fine_u, it is, but only if you have something you want |
| 23:55.58 | im_fine_u | i dont care |
| 23:56.03 | im_fine_u | I DONT WANT LINUX |
| 23:56.08 | Gnurdux | i know |
| 23:56.16 | Gnurdux | but only if you have a plugin you want/need |
| 23:56.21 | Gnurdux | otherwise no real purpose |
| 23:56.26 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, are you that concerned about your digital "manhood" that you have to brag about your OS that much? |
| 23:56.26 | Mr_Molez | PuMpErNiCkLe: Come to my server I will test your tank. Maybe it was just an issue with that server or something :) |
| 23:56.32 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, not my OS |
| 23:56.36 | PuMpErNiCkLe | Mr_Molez: sure! Which server? |
| 23:56.36 | JeffM2501 | and maybe you 2 should talk about your crap in /msg |
| 23:56.55 | im_fine_u | hmph, sorry |
| 23:56.56 | Mr_Molez | PuMpErNiCkLe: links.bzflag.org:5154 |
| 23:57.24 | JeffM2501 | im_fine_u, your fine, it's mr Gnurdux that seems to be the one pushing questions |
| 23:57.43 | JeffM2501 | you asked a set of simple questions. got your answers and were fine |