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| 00:03.16 | Mr_Molez | PuMpErNiCkLe: k done |
| 00:03.51 | PuMpErNiCkLe | Mr_Molez: Awesome, thanks! :) |
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| 00:38.33 | im_fine_u | bye |
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| 01:42.18 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:47.33 | learner | :) |
| 01:47.42 | learner | you know you want it |
| 01:47.46 | learner | it's calling your name |
| 01:47.50 | JeffM2501 | you know I have it |
| 01:47.53 | learner | wispering to you softly |
| 01:47.53 | JeffM2501 | just got back |
| 01:47.58 | learner | hah |
| 01:48.10 | JeffM2501 | stuff is copying to it now |
| 01:48.27 | JeffM2501 | only came with USB tho |
| 01:48.29 | JeffM2501 | no firewire :( |
| 01:48.55 | JeffM2501 | I think I'll get the AV kit tomorow |
| 01:48.58 | JeffM2501 | and hook it into the TV |
| 01:49.17 | learner | USB 2.0, though, so still 480Mbps |
| 01:49.37 | JeffM2501 | but it dosnt' sound as cool as "FIRE" wire |
| 01:49.44 | JeffM2501 | and it shares bandwith with my keyboard |
| 01:49.59 | learner | either should be faster than the drive can write :) |
| 01:50.09 | JeffM2501 | probably |
| 01:50.19 | JeffM2501 | they should put some free music on the suckers when you get it |
| 01:50.34 | learner | ahh, if you plug that into your keyboard, I doubt it'll get the full 480 |
| 01:50.44 | learner | keyboard is prolly just usb |
| 01:50.48 | JeffM2501 | it's not in the keyboard |
| 01:50.51 | JeffM2501 | it's on it's own hub |
| 01:51.13 | learner | a 2.0 hub going into a 2.0 jack? :) |
| 01:51.22 | JeffM2501 | I only have 2 jackls |
| 01:51.25 | JeffM2501 | it's a mini :) |
| 01:51.43 | JeffM2501 | and yeah a 2.0 hub |
| 01:51.51 | JeffM2501 | it's fast |
| 01:52.01 | JeffM2501 | what takes a while is downloading tvshows from itunes |
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| 01:54.25 | JeffM2501 | damn does the video look good |
| 02:00.09 | JeffM2501 | now how do I rip DVDs and get them onto the ipod? :) |
| 02:00.31 | learner | who is bthansen? |
| 02:00.42 | learner | JeffM2501: Handbrake |
| 02:00.56 | learner | it's the shizzle |
| 02:00.59 | JeffM2501 | bthansen sounds famialar |
| 02:01.05 | JeffM2501 | it an app? |
| 02:01.08 | learner | committer.. just don't remember |
| 02:01.09 | learner | yeah |
| 02:02.37 | JeffM2501 | is it like bearperson or troughshooter or one of those guys? |
| 02:03.00 | learner | sounds about right, I |
| 02:03.04 | learner | i'll just look em up |
| 02:03.30 | learner | Bernt Hansen |
| 02:03.41 | JeffM2501 | there ya go |
| 02:03.55 | JeffM2501 | I didn' t put who's patches I applied cus they didn't have real names |
| 02:04.08 | JeffM2501 | aka I ain't putin "gnardux" in the changelog |
| 02:04.46 | purple_cow | hehe |
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| 02:10.55 | JeffM2501 | now to just find out what format to do it in for the pod |
| 02:12.08 | blast007 | can an iPod play .ogg files? |
| 02:12.15 | JeffM2501 | don't think so |
| 02:12.18 | blast007 | aww |
| 02:12.26 | JeffM2501 | well yeah it can. if you install linux on it |
| 02:12.31 | blast007 | ;) |
| 02:12.46 | blast007 | my friend found a iPod nano in a melting snowbank |
| 02:12.48 | blast007 | still works |
| 02:13.05 | JeffM2501 | dono if you can do linux on the nano |
| 02:13.11 | blast007 | I think someone did |
| 02:13.38 | blast007 | yeah, it's on google video :) |
| 02:14.19 | blast007 | they have it playing Doom 3D |
| 02:15.58 | jbauman | rockbox |
| 02:23.28 | JeffM2501 | do I want mpeg-4 or h.264? |
| 02:25.54 | blast007 | isn't h.264 like quicktime's codec? |
| 02:26.29 | JeffM2501 | dono |
| 02:26.45 | blast007 | and actually it seems that h.264 is a MPEG4 codec |
| 02:26.50 | blast007 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.264 |
| 02:28.04 | JeffM2501 | I just have a choice beween the 2 :) |
| 02:28.08 | menotume | ~lart learner |
| 02:34.05 | menotume | ~lart learner for not joining pillbox league |
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| 03:07.27 | learner | heh |
| 03:08.17 | learner | nothing against the league, other than not knowing much about it's purpose |
| 03:08.40 | learner | just the principle of forced registration, with our current process :) |
| 03:08.51 | orange | learner, no forced registration on pillbox league |
| 03:08.52 | orange | well |
| 03:08.54 | learner | course nothing you haven't heard me say before |
| 03:08.59 | orange | you have to register to a team to play matches |
| 03:09.23 | orange | hmmm |
| 03:09.31 | orange | now that I say that, I don't know if we're reg-only on the match servers |
| 03:09.34 | learner | to play at all if it's a "matches server", even if there are no matches going on |
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| 03:10.09 | orange | I'm not sure which part you don't like, but this isn't like the gu league, though some have asked for it to be |
| 03:10.30 | learner | and i might be getting my leagues mixed up |
| 03:10.54 | Mr_Molez | why would anyone ask for it to be ? thats just silly |
| 03:11.06 | orange | Mr_Molez: so the servers can be in the list, so they don't have to type it in |
| 03:11.08 | orange | basically |
| 03:11.51 | orange | learner: just a set of teams that play official 30-minute matches on pillbox style maps |
| 03:12.05 | orange | 3-shot no rico no jumping no superflags ctf |
| 03:12.55 | Mr_Molez | then why not make a list of registered players and have the servers show on the list for only them people ? |
| 03:12.58 | DaddyGeek | does anybody know the IP address for "CHOCOLATE NUG" |
| 03:13.16 | slime_bzb | is he cheating again? |
| 03:13.21 | DaddyGeek | yes |
| 03:13.35 | orange | Mr_Molez: well, that's what they're asking for |
| 03:13.44 | slime_bzb | where at? |
| 03:14.10 | Mr_Molez | sounds to be they are asking for only registered players to be able to play |
| 03:14.11 | orange | though I guess you could do that without the additional restrictions at the server... hmmm |
| 03:14.14 | Mr_Molez | be = me |
| 03:14.30 | orange | Mr_Molez: requiring reg-only makes it easier to ban people |
| 03:14.43 | orange | it may be reg-only, I don't know |
| 03:14.44 | DaddyGeek | the last place was"shellshock.bzflag.bz |
| 03:14.47 | orange | but it's not specific group only |
| 03:14.58 | Mr_Molez | there would be no need to ban anyone if only registered players can see the servers |
| 03:15.26 | blast007 | Mr_Molez: no need? o.O Of course there is |
| 03:15.37 | Mr_Molez | blast007: how do you figure ? |
| 03:15.45 | blast007 | registered players can cheat too, or swear |
| 03:16.00 | Mr_Molez | blast007: and how many do you see per year getting banned for that ? |
| 03:16.08 | blast007 | for cheating? |
| 03:16.10 | blast007 | lots |
| 03:16.11 | Mr_Molez | yup |
| 03:16.21 | Mr_Molez | from a league ? |
| 03:16.31 | blast007 | I don't play on leagues |
| 03:16.37 | DaddyGeek | but if you require only registered players, you need the game to register you not the web site. |
| 03:16.40 | Mr_Molez | then how can you know ? |
| 03:16.42 | blast007 | but I have played on "registed users only" servers |
| 03:17.14 | blast007 | DaddyGeek: you still register at the website |
| 03:17.31 | blast007 | at least for now |
| 03:17.40 | DaddyGeek | but what I'm saying is a newbie has no idea where to go to register |
| 03:17.52 | blast007 | right |
| 03:18.00 | blast007 | that's the main issue |
| 03:18.15 | Mr_Molez | Well imho having to be registered to play is just stupid. At the most I would just not show the servers to non registered players |
| 03:18.27 | blast007 | Mr_Molez: I think it's a good idea |
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| 03:18.45 | Mr_Molez | overkill :) |
| 03:18.52 | blast007 | well, if they can't see the servers... |
| 03:19.01 | blast007 | then they likely won't play there |
| 03:19.11 | blast007 | so not much of a difference |
| 03:19.34 | Mr_Molez | im mainly thinking of registered players that want to use a different name to play |
| 03:19.47 | blast007 | I have several registered names |
| 03:19.53 | DaddyGeek | why? |
| 03:19.55 | Mr_Molez | or players that are not registered to be allowed to do fun matches |
| 03:20.01 | Mr_Molez | blast007: I dont care :) |
| 03:20.28 | blast007 | if they want to play with a different name, make a new account |
| 03:20.42 | Mr_Molez | and for the people who only want a fun match :P ? |
| 03:20.45 | blast007 | if they want to play with many names, just keep changing the name of their spare account |
| 03:20.47 | menotume | ~karma menotume |
| 03:20.47 | ibot | menotume has karma of -3 |
| 03:20.50 | menotume | YAY ! |
| 03:20.54 | blast007 | heh |
| 03:20.56 | menotume | DTRemenak: :P |
| 03:21.04 | blast007 | how'd you get down that far? ;) |
| 03:22.41 | Mr_Molez | menotume: you use KD ? |
| 03:22.55 | menotume | err, what's KD ? |
| 03:23.02 | Mr_Molez | karma dehancement ofcourse |
| 03:23.46 | Mr_Molez | uhhuh did i just make a new word :-S |
| 03:23.58 | blast007 | ~dict dehancement |
| 03:24.03 | blast007 | yup |
| 03:24.09 | Mr_Molez | yay |
| 03:26.10 | Mr_Molez | lol i see loads of google results from that word :P |
| 03:28.51 | DaddyGeek | how about if a person gets voted out the person's name and IP address gets recorded on a master list, so that we could track cheating IP's |
| 03:30.03 | orange | DaddyGeek: dynamic IP makes that impossible |
| 03:30.48 | Mr_Molez | that could be abused :P |
| 03:31.41 | DaddyGeek | could it be abused more than the cheaters themselves |
| 03:32.05 | DaddyGeek | and not everybody has a dynamic IP |
| 03:32.12 | Mr_Molez | probably seen as most cheaters are clever enough to get past a ban |
| 03:32.26 | Mr_Molez | just because they cant see the server list does not mean they cant find a list of servers elsewhere |
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| 03:36.42 | DaddyGeek | here's another crazy idea: have a certification test to be a global cop , and if someone abuses his power he loses his status a one-year |
| 03:37.52 | Mr_Molez | Don't you think server owners are capable of looking after the server themselves ? |
| 03:38.05 | Mr_Molez | the/their |
| 03:38.11 | DaddyGeek | not if it's on 24 hours a day |
| 03:38.25 | Mr_Molez | Then they should find more admins |
| 03:38.37 | Mr_Molez | If they cant look after it thats their problem |
| 03:38.53 | Mr_Molez | Then dont play there :) |
| 03:38.56 | DaddyGeek | no it's the players problem |
| 03:39.58 | Mr_Molez | Yes its the players fault thanks to the admin. So dont play there |
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| 03:40.44 | DaddyGeek | talking is getting me nowhere, I'm going back to playing |
| 03:40.50 | Mr_Molez | good idea |
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| 03:41.42 | menotume | Karma Disenchantment |
| 03:42.06 | Mr_Molez | ~dict disenhancement |
| 03:48.30 | JeffM2501 | hah.. he thinks server owners are responsible? |
| 03:48.34 | JeffM2501 | now that's funny |
| 03:48.55 | Mr_Molez | uh ? |
| 03:49.29 | JeffM2501 | most servers are run buy kids on a dsl ;) |
| 03:49.37 | Mr_Molez | true lol |
| 03:50.24 | purple_cow | lunix and dsl make reliable servers! |
| 03:50.47 | JeffM2501 | that auto admin themselves |
| 03:50.58 | Mr_Molez | I just don't see why if people have a problem with one server they need to suddenly start making changes for every server |
| 03:51.02 | JeffM2501 | tho I 1/2 kinda want to remove windows servers from the binary |
| 03:52.18 | Mr_Molez | JeffM2501: Just a shame you can't remove previous binarys from sf aswell :) |
| 03:52.37 | blast007 | remove -public, -publicaddr, and -advertise from Windows builds ;D |
| 03:52.44 | Mr_Molez | lol |
| 03:52.53 | JeffM2501 | I'd provide them as a seperate download |
| 03:52.59 | JeffM2501 | to make them at least do another step |
| 03:53.04 | JeffM2501 | kinda a "are you sure" |
| 03:53.34 | blast007 | then they'll complain about the "Start Server" menu being broken |
| 03:53.39 | purple_cow | of course they're sure |
| 03:53.40 | JeffM2501 | I'd take it out |
| 03:53.45 | blast007 | :) |
| 03:53.53 | purple_cow | all the cool kids run servers |
| 03:53.53 | JeffM2501 | lan games are a very small part of the game now |
| 03:53.59 | blast007 | we could make it off by default in the installer |
| 03:54.04 | JeffM2501 | just provide instructions on how to do it |
| 03:55.48 | blast007 | also, what needed the zlibwapi.dll file? curl? |
| 03:55.55 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 03:56.04 | JeffM2501 | the premade libcurl uses it |
| 03:56.13 | blast007 | which one did you download? |
| 03:56.20 | JeffM2501 | the current one IIRC |
| 03:57.02 | blast007 | wonder if I built my own... |
| 03:57.22 | blast007 | but I was looking through several and didn't see that file |
| 03:57.30 | blast007 | was it an SSL or non-SSL? |
| 03:57.32 | JeffM2501 | it didn't come with it |
| 03:57.33 | JeffM2501 | non ssl |
| 03:57.35 | blast007 | ah |
| 03:57.36 | JeffM2501 | I had to go get it |
| 03:58.05 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: what, too lazy to build your own libcurl? :) |
| 03:58.54 | JeffM2501 | yes.. yes I am |
| 03:59.03 | JeffM2501 | I also think most other people would use the binary |
| 03:59.09 | JeffM2501 | so why not make it work with it :) |
| 03:59.35 | blast007 | and I just like building my own :) |
| 03:59.43 | DTRemenak | I build my own so I know what's on and what's off |
| 03:59.46 | JeffM2501 | a viable method |
| 03:59.49 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 03:59.57 | DTRemenak | ares should be on, compression and ssl off |
| 03:59.58 | JeffM2501 | and if you do installers you can just comment out that line |
| 04:00.01 | JeffM2501 | and all will be good |
| 04:00.11 | DTRemenak | hey, I'm not complaining :) |
| 04:00.20 | DTRemenak | just poking fun :P |
| 04:00.36 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 04:01.23 | blast007 | they have a prebuilt one with SSL, zlib, and ares |
| 04:01.36 | blast007 | older version though |
| 04:01.47 | DTRemenak | we don't need ssl or compression |
| 04:01.51 | blast007 | right |
| 04:01.54 | DTRemenak | but we do kinda need ares :) |
| 04:01.56 | blast007 | but ares |
| 04:02.12 | JeffM2501 | I figured the compression didn't hurt |
| 04:02.14 | blast007 | and the others don't specify ares support in the filename at least |
| 04:02.40 | JeffM2501 | well I'll make sure before this build |
| 04:02.47 | JeffM2501 | if not I'll build my own |
| 04:02.52 | blast007 | I'm still using 7.14.0 |
| 04:03.05 | JeffM2501 | I allways get the latest libs before a major |
| 04:03.07 | blast007 | a prebuilt one apparently |
| 04:04.07 | blast007 | the newest prebuilt isn't even the newest |
| 04:04.21 | blast007 | the MSVC ones sorta get put on the back burner |
| 04:04.37 | DTRemenak | mostly I just find that building my own is easier than trying to dig through the prebuilts and having stuff not work or have the wrong options or have extra dependencies or whatnot |
| 04:04.55 | blast007 | exactly :) |
| 04:05.06 | JeffM2501 | I wonder why black ipods don't have black headphones |
| 04:05.28 | blast007 | cuz then they wouldn't be Thinking Different |
| 04:05.39 | JeffM2501 | they don't think difrent anymore |
| 04:05.45 | JeffM2501 | havn't you seen there new CPU? ;) |
| 04:05.48 | blast007 | ;) |
| 04:05.49 | JeffM2501 | and bootloader |
| 04:06.06 | blast007 | yeah, booting XP now |
| 04:06.25 | JeffM2501 | I'll bet when 10.5 ships it'll be an advertised feature |
| 04:06.41 | JeffM2501 | "..and run Windows for the apps you have to use" |
| 04:07.04 | JeffM2501 | it'll let them sell a ton more computers |
| 04:07.08 | blast007 | yeah |
| 04:07.27 | blast007 | I'd want a tripple boot though |
| 04:07.31 | blast007 | linux on it too :) |
| 04:07.40 | JeffM2501 | that is all possible with the bootloader IIRC |
| 04:07.53 | JeffM2501 | now they just need a mini that dosn't have suck video |
| 04:08.31 | JBdiGriz | They have already announced that it's part of 10.5 (leopard) |
| 04:08.38 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 04:08.54 | JeffM2501 | thats why I say when 10.5 ships dual boot will become a big thing in the ads |
| 04:09.20 | a_temp_dist | here's an article about osx and linux dual booting: http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=13955 |
| 04:10.45 | JBdiGriz | I can't imagine that most people will really care. It's a marketing checkbox. |
| 04:11.13 | JeffM2501 | I think they will push it in a way saying use OSX for "your" stuff, then use windows to deal with "the rest of the world" |
| 04:11.15 | JeffM2501 | or for gamers |
| 04:11.23 | JeffM2501 | that imac has a nice X1900 |
| 04:11.26 | a_temp_dist | it'll push a couple switchers over |
| 04:11.32 | JeffM2501 | it'll run windows games quite well |
| 04:11.46 | JeffM2501 | yeah the push will be for soho users |
| 04:11.59 | JeffM2501 | so they can run windows apps when they have to but OSX for there main stuff |
| 04:12.09 | JeffM2501 | ehter as dual boot or a virtual machine |
| 04:12.15 | JeffM2501 | it'll go one of those 2 ways |
| 04:12.30 | JBdiGriz | What business would have their secretary dual boot a machine? |
| 04:12.45 | JeffM2501 | I don't think it's going to be for corp biz |
| 04:12.50 | JeffM2501 | but for small and soho type ones |
| 04:13.02 | JeffM2501 | windows is very entrenched in big biz |
| 04:13.04 | JBdiGriz | It certainly isn't for consumers. |
| 04:13.09 | a_temp_dist | i hope that MS see's it as an opportunity to sell more OSes |
| 04:13.20 | JeffM2501 | we'll have to see |
| 04:13.26 | a_temp_dist | and doesn't kill off VirtualPC for mac |
| 04:13.26 | JeffM2501 | apple's done a good job geting more users |
| 04:13.30 | blast007 | a_temp_dist: that's all Microsoft sees...ways to make more $$$ |
| 04:13.45 | JeffM2501 | techincaly that's all apple sees too |
| 04:13.53 | JeffM2501 | any biz is in it to make moeny |
| 04:14.08 | blast007 | but I feel that microsoft is more evil in the money regards ;) |
| 04:14.19 | JeffM2501 | they play hardball sure |
| 04:14.21 | JeffM2501 | but so does apple |
| 04:14.27 | JeffM2501 | MS just gets LOTs of bad press |
| 04:14.33 | JeffM2501 | apple's better at hiding it :) |
| 04:14.36 | blast007 | hehe |
| 04:14.44 | JeffM2501 | you know how many rumor sites apple has sued to hell and back? |
| 04:15.32 | JeffM2501 | I've seen there leagal team in action |
| 04:15.36 | JeffM2501 | they have no compassion |
| 04:16.18 | blast007 | Microsoft patented the double-click though apparently |
| 04:16.29 | JeffM2501 | and amazon the color orange |
| 04:16.48 | a_temp_dist | and Marvel "Superhero" |
| 04:16.59 | JeffM2501 | no, marvel AND DC |
| 04:17.02 | JeffM2501 | as a joint thing |
| 04:17.04 | a_temp_dist | heh right |
| 04:17.10 | JeffM2501 | most patents are a joke |
| 04:17.14 | blast007 | yeah |
| 04:18.05 | blast007 | most of them are too general of a concept |
| 04:18.19 | blast007 | so they can be used against various products |
| 04:18.25 | JeffM2501 | yeaH |
| 04:18.34 | blast007 | there was one that went against iTunes/iPod |
| 04:18.55 | blast007 | and it had something to do with player pianos :P |
| 04:19.04 | a_temp_dist | phht |
| 04:19.09 | JeffM2501 | anything to make a buck |
| 04:20.40 | JeffM2501 | well the new ipod is defenatly cooler then the shuffle |
| 04:20.50 | JeffM2501 | I just hope I don't sit on it |
| 04:21.07 | orange | don't put it in your pocket |
| 04:21.12 | Nidhoggr | yay, I got my car back from the shop, and this time it is working properly. |
| 04:21.14 | a_temp_dist | find that video converter yet? |
| 04:21.20 | a_temp_dist | http://www.videora.com/en-us/Converter/iPod/ |
| 04:21.23 | JeffM2501 | I have one ripping a dvd now |
| 04:21.30 | JeffM2501 | just have to pick the right format |
| 04:21.33 | JeffM2501 | Nidhoggr, grats |
| 04:21.46 | Nidhoggr | I ripped Little Buddha the other day onto my iPod. |
| 04:21.57 | Nidhoggr | from dvd |
| 04:22.09 | JeffM2501 | a_temp_dist, it's for windows |
| 04:22.18 | JeffM2501 | Nidhoggr, what format does it have to be in? |
| 04:22.25 | JeffM2501 | any specific codec? |
| 04:22.31 | Nidhoggr | I used some automatic thingy to do it. |
| 04:22.38 | a_temp_dist | ah well |
| 04:22.55 | JeffM2501 | I'm using handbrake now |
| 04:23.11 | JeffM2501 | a_temp_dist, my mac is my media machine |
| 04:25.08 | learner | there have apparently been 39542 commits to cvs |
| 04:25.18 | JeffM2501 | that's a big number |
| 04:25.26 | JeffM2501 | we should have a contest for 40k :) |
| 04:25.28 | learner | 40 different commiters |
| 04:25.38 | JeffM2501 | wait |
| 04:25.46 | JeffM2501 | can you take our WS commits :) |
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| 04:26.36 | orange | JeffM2501: that's gonna be one long import into svn |
| 04:27.33 | JeffM2501 | maybe we can like start history from 2.0 :) |
| 04:27.44 | JeffM2501 | and take out ws not take our ;) |
| 04:28.21 | JeffM2501 | ok.. it's kinda cool that I just got a season of a TV series for 12$ and can watch it on my tv from the pod |
| 04:28.23 | orange | yeah, since 2.0 would still be nice |
| 04:28.54 | learner | hmm.. i took out ws at one point |
| 04:29.32 | Nidhoggr | JeffM2501: I used dvd2pod which uses handbrake, but makes it very simple. |
| 04:30.09 | DTRemenak | there aren't all that many ws-only commits. most of tim's were done 500 files at a time, and mine I usually coupled with bugfixes |
| 04:32.32 | JeffM2501 | I will go look that up. thanks Nidhoggr |
| 04:32.55 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, It was a joke ;) |
| 04:34.15 | JeffM2501 | if I can get anime on the pod.. then there will be no stoping me |
| 04:35.20 | trepan | learner: 39542 commits; by file, or by cvs session? (guessing the former) |
| 04:36.08 | JeffM2501 | oooo my phone can play stuff in ipod format too..... |
| 04:36.49 | learner | trepan, "cvs session"? there be no such concept to cvs |
| 04:36.51 | JeffM2501 | I find it funny that my phone has more storage then my first real computer |
| 04:37.04 | learner | commits to files |
| 04:37.08 | JeffM2501 | even AFTER I got a bigger hard drive for it :) |
| 04:37.09 | DTRemenak | ah, then ws would be significant |
| 04:37.43 | trepan | just trying to understand DTR's "tim's were done 500 files at a time" comment ;) |
| 04:37.58 | DTRemenak | me being an idiot comment, yeah :P |
| 04:38.43 | learner | i grepped out the ws and copyright commits last time I crunched the numbers, it put about 4-5 of us at the top within about a thousand commits of each other |
| 04:39.59 | learner | could also correlate commits to number of line changes, give a weight to + vs - lines.. graph activity.. would be sweet |
| 04:40.10 | trepan | you probably get a few more ws changes if you compared the patches |
| 04:40.56 | JeffM2501 | it's kinda cool that you can get all that info |
| 04:41.07 | JeffM2501 | is all that still available with svn? |
| 04:41.10 | learner | you would, but you could do the same to grep out the ws commits so they're not counted |
| 04:41.25 | learner | should still be |
| 04:41.50 | learner | haven't done it, but I can't imagine the data going away |
| 04:42.15 | JeffM2501 | ok.. dvd2pod is kinda cool |
| 04:57.19 | JeffM2501 | heh.. showing my roommate the ipod stoped him mid-sentance when talking to his wife :) |
| 04:57.34 | JeffM2501 | "no I don't think.........oooooooooooohhh shinny" |
| 04:58.06 | blast007 | hehe |
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| 05:03.42 | Nidhoggr | lol |
| 05:04.25 | JeffM2501 | do you keep yours in a case nid? |
| 05:04.47 | Nidhoggr | I got the skin thing |
| 05:04.53 | JeffM2501 | what is that? |
| 05:04.53 | Nidhoggr | the screen scratches super easy. |
| 05:05.09 | Nidhoggr | let me see if I can find it online. it was a christmas present. |
| 05:06.43 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/AUTHORS: (log message trimmed) |
| 05:06.43 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: Major rewrite. The file now includes the names of just about everyone that has |
| 05:06.44 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: ever contributed to BZFlag directly. This includes grouping contributors |
| 05:06.44 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: chronologically as core devs, devs, code contributors, servers & infrastructure, |
| 05:06.44 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: corporate & organizational, and special thanks. File includes details on what |
| 05:06.46 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: each section and level of contribution means. There are undoubtedly omissions |
| 05:06.47 | Nidhoggr | which one did you get, the 30gb or 60gb? |
| 05:06.48 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: and discrepancies to resolve, but it's a big start (and took a long time to |
| 05:07.00 | JeffM2501 | 30gig |
| 05:07.22 | Nidhoggr | http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wo/2.RSLID?mco=88C95C09&nplm=TH392LL%2FA |
| 05:07.56 | Nidhoggr | hrm. |
| 05:08.00 | Nidhoggr | might not be the same one. |
| 05:08.44 | Nidhoggr | the important thing is to cover the viewscreen. |
| 05:08.45 | JeffM2501 | how does it look on the TV? |
| 05:08.47 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 05:08.59 | JeffM2501 | I'll hit up the apple store tomrorow and see what they got |
| 05:09.04 | Nidhoggr | it looks good on the TV, depending on how the thing is encoded. |
| 05:09.22 | Nidhoggr | the tv shows on itunes look good on the tv. |
| 05:09.40 | Nidhoggr | I think it is the iSkin. |
| 05:10.34 | JeffM2501 | looks nice |
| 05:10.50 | JeffM2501 | yay.. anime on the ipod :) |
| 05:10.56 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 05:52.12 | Nidhoggr | where can I get the newest version of autotools? |
| 05:56.33 | DTRemenak | http://www.gnu.org/software/autoconf/ http://www.gnu.org/software/automake/ |
| 05:56.46 | DTRemenak | and http://www.gnu.org/software/libtool/ |
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| 06:10.20 | Nidhoggr | cool. thanks |
| 06:10.56 | Nidhoggr | trying to get it to install on a cobalt. probably have too old of a gcc. the 'make check' is failing in a bunch of places for autoconf |
| 06:12.40 | DTRemenak | gcc shouldn't be too old - we should be compiling on 2.95 still |
| 06:12.48 | DTRemenak | or did we finally drop that? |
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| 06:13.36 | Nidhoggr | this one is 2.95.3 |
| 06:14.08 | DTRemenak | "should" work then |
| 06:14.32 | Nidhoggr | it's failing on the autoconf tests. |
| 06:14.38 | Nidhoggr | not sure why |
| 06:14.43 | DTRemenak | which test? |
| 06:14.48 | Nidhoggr | a bunch of them. |
| 06:15.09 | DTRemenak | hm |
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| 15:21.22 | CBG | menotume++ |
| 15:21.25 | CBG | ~menotume++ |
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| 17:53.20 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/AUTHORS: give mr art man his proper props. |
| 18:03.49 | Saturos | :) |
| 18:05.51 | CBG | Maybe he could get some of my $20 to go towards more graphics software? :P |
| 18:10.57 | SportyGal | Saturos: did you get my email? |
| 18:11.20 | Saturos | I'll check. |
| 18:11.36 | Saturos | Yes, got it. |
| 18:11.41 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/AUTHORS: typo |
| 18:11.48 | Saturos | You thinking about the last detail? |
| 18:12.07 | SportyGal | a little, but at work at the moment, so haven't had too much time to think |
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| 18:23.07 | JeffM2501 | good thing I didn't write that :) |
| 18:23.37 | JeffM2501 | and those other lines wern't a typo ;) |
| 18:24.12 | trepan | it's a matter of perspective |
| 18:24.20 | JeffM2501 | not really |
| 18:24.26 | JeffM2501 | but if it's what you want... it's what you want |
| 18:25.52 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/AUTHORS: typo and friends |
| 18:25.54 | trepan | better? :) |
| 18:27.28 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 18:29.56 | JeffM2501 | mostly I'm just happy I'm not the only one that makes typos ;) |
| 18:33.48 | DTRemenak|RDP | heh |
| 18:33.50 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak|RDP, they took your cannon |
| 18:34.16 | DTRemenak | yeah, I noticed :) |
| 18:34.25 | DTRemenak | actually they took it a while back, we just didn't know WHO took it |
| 18:34.30 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 18:34.58 | JeffM2501 | guess ya all got some GREAT campus security there |
| 18:35.17 | DTRemenak | heh, they can be duped into anything |
| 18:35.28 | DTRemenak | and I'm glad :P |
| 18:35.46 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 18:36.28 | JeffM2501 | you all need to steal all there personal info as a retaliation :) |
| 18:36.53 | DTRemenak | heh, I dunno what we're gonna do... |
| 18:36.59 | JeffM2501 | "here lies every credit card number from MIT" |
| 18:41.07 | brlcad | trepan: heh, "typo" |
| 18:41.43 | brlcad | 4000 commits beg to differ |
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| 18:47.54 | brlcad | trepan: how about as anonymous? |
| 18:48.37 | brlcad | or even "2003-2005" :) |
| 18:48.43 | brlcad | it's supposed to be historic |
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| 19:47.27 | im_fine_u | hey |
| 19:49.47 | brlcad | a quick basic freak? |
| 19:51.21 | blast007 | heh |
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| 19:55.34 | im_fine_u | I am |
| 19:55.43 | im_fine_u | qbfreak thats what they call me |
| 19:55.47 | Gnurdux | hi im_fine_u |
| 19:55.52 | im_fine_u | hi |
| 19:55.53 | Gnurdux | working on your plugin? |
| 19:55.56 | im_fine_u | yep |
| 19:56.11 | Gnurdux | im_fine_u, what does it do? |
| 19:56.24 | brlcad | are you writing your plugin in qb? |
| 19:56.27 | im_fine_u | it steals a person's flag if they kill someone |
| 19:56.32 | Gnurdux | you cant write a plugin in QB |
| 19:56.32 | im_fine_u | its in C++ |
| 19:56.36 | Gnurdux | lol brlcad |
| 19:56.46 | Gnurdux | it was my first ever language |
| 19:56.51 | im_fine_u | mine to |
| 19:56.59 | im_fine_u | WAIT! |
| 19:56.59 | Gnurdux | my dad taught me at the age of 7 |
| 19:57.02 | im_fine_u | you have linux |
| 19:57.03 | Gnurdux | well the basics anyway |
| 19:57.10 | im_fine_u | you cant use QB with linux |
| 19:57.10 | Gnurdux | id d |
| 19:57.19 | Gnurdux | i didnt have linux when i learend QB |
| 19:57.21 | im_fine_u | ah |
| 19:57.25 | Gnurdux | this was 7 years ago |
| 19:57.28 | im_fine_u | i taught myself ;) |
| 19:57.42 | im_fine_u | like, a year ago |
| 19:58.02 | brlcad | im_fine_u: there are plenty of basic compilers for linux |
| 19:58.10 | Gnurdux | not Qb though. |
| 19:58.12 | im_fine_u | INPUT "ENTER YOUR NAME:"; n$ |
| 19:58.15 | Gnurdux | not the same graphics etc |
| 19:58.18 | im_fine_u | ;) |
| 19:58.29 | Gnurdux | im_fine_u, that would work in most versions of basic |
| 19:58.29 | brlcad | the "quick"-specific side of qb is very limited |
| 19:58.52 | im_fine_u | i like how in QB you can put ?" and it turns it to PRINT " |
| 19:58.59 | Gnurdux | im strongly anti-basic right now because basic is what we do in school |
| 19:59.04 | im_fine_u | lol |
| 19:59.12 | im_fine_u | i wish they taught it in school |
| 19:59.15 | Gnurdux | TrueBasic |
| 19:59.30 | Gnurdux | im_fine_u, i go to a magnet school, for math science and computer science |
| 19:59.39 | im_fine_u | i wish i could go there :( |
| 19:59.44 | Gnurdux | but the computer science is a joke. so is the science |
| 19:59.52 | im_fine_u | lol |
| 19:59.57 | Gnurdux | im_fine_u, my county has one |
| 20:00.01 | Gnurdux | the math is good |
| 20:00.08 | Gnurdux | but its not a fully magnet school |
| 20:00.12 | im_fine_u | what country you live in? |
| 20:00.20 | Gnurdux | its an ordinary middle school, with a magnet "program" |
| 20:00.26 | Gnurdux | county not country |
| 20:00.36 | im_fine_u | WHAT COUNTRY YOU LIVE IN?! |
| 20:00.38 | Gnurdux | the magnet program is county-wide though |
| 20:00.39 | Gnurdux | US |
| 20:00.42 | im_fine_u | OK |
| 20:00.44 | im_fine_u | geez |
| 20:00.50 | Gnurdux | you? |
| 20:00.54 | im_fine_u | US of A |
| 20:00.57 | im_fine_u | :) |
| 20:01.01 | Gnurdux | state? |
| 20:01.06 | im_fine_u | Connecticut |
| 20:01.11 | JeffM2501 | use /msg guys |
| 20:01.11 | im_fine_u | you? |
| 20:01.17 | im_fine_u | sorry jeff |
| 20:01.24 | JeffM2501 | thanks |
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| 20:15.07 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, you should update the topiuc |
| 20:15.18 | *** topic/#bzflag by JeffM2501 -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/bb/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/GettingHelp || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/Download || #bzchat for casual chat || paste to http://bzflag.pastebin.ca || CVS HEAD is now 2.1 unstable || stable v2_0branch is virtually frozen due to imminent release |
| 20:15.21 | Gnurdux | and fix the pages other than the main page on the site |
| 20:15.47 | JeffM2501 | I looked at the wiki stuff it's not too bad |
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| 21:43.02 | JeffM2501 | wow I think thats a record minimum for the riker |
| 21:44.36 | CBG | minimum amount of time online? |
| 21:47.28 | JeffM2501 | in one shot |
| 21:47.34 | JeffM2501 | usualy he's not just on then off |
| 21:47.56 | JeffM2501 | usualy he's on for hours or days, and not responsive |
| 21:47.59 | JeffM2501 | or just off ;) |
| 21:48.59 | CBG | heh |
| 21:49.04 | CBG | maybe just checking for memos |
| 21:49.10 | JeffM2501 | maybe |
| 21:52.33 | CBG | Ugh, this hard drive could fail at any second... O_O |
| 22:00.34 | JeffM2501 | in your laptop? |
| 22:00.42 | JeffM2501 | it's not that old is it? |
| 22:02.00 | Aribeth | is it a toshiba drive? |
| 22:03.59 | CBG | JeffM2501: about 14/15 months. |
| 22:04.09 | JeffM2501 | should last longer then that |
| 22:04.17 | JeffM2501 | dosn't apple have 3 year waranty? |
| 22:04.18 | CBG | yeah. well... |
| 22:04.27 | CBG | Its 1 year, 3 with apple care |
| 22:04.35 | JeffM2501 | and you didn't get applecare? |
| 22:04.41 | CBG | I bought apple care sometime between last feb and this christmas. |
| 22:04.53 | JeffM2501 | ok then get that sucker fixed :) |
| 22:04.54 | CBG | forgot to register - didn;t think I needed to rush... |
| 22:05.02 | CBG | so, I tried to register today... |
| 22:05.09 | CBG | they say It's void now. |
| 22:05.13 | JeffM2501 | call em up |
| 22:05.15 | CBG | I had to register within a year. |
| 22:05.16 | JeffM2501 | be an ass |
| 22:05.25 | CBG | SO, they're not delivering a service I paid for. |
| 22:05.27 | CBG | $%^&*(ers |
| 22:05.30 | Aribeth | you paid for it |
| 22:05.31 | JeffM2501 | that's why you call em up |
| 22:05.34 | CBG | Dman right I did. |
| 22:05.35 | JeffM2501 | and make them fix it |
| 22:05.40 | CBG | Yeah, well. |
| 22:05.47 | CBG | My dad'll hopefully sort it out. |
| 22:05.52 | Aribeth | apple care aint cheap |
| 22:06.07 | JeffM2501 | thankfully harddrives are ;) |
| 22:06.15 | JeffM2501 | but still they should fix it |
| 22:06.16 | Aribeth | yes |
| 22:06.17 | CBG | AppleCare is cheaeper. |
| 22:06.23 | JeffM2501 | your just dealing with tier 1 |
| 22:06.24 | CBG | It was like, £30, iirc. |
| 22:06.33 | CBG | A drive would be £50+ |
| 22:06.59 | CBG | Though, my recent $80 traffic-contest winnings should cover that,. |
| 22:07.10 | CBG | My main issue is with apple being so damn difficult. |
| 22:07.28 | Aribeth | they are that |
| 22:07.32 | JeffM2501 | noone makes money by giving away things they don't have to :) |
| 22:07.59 | CBG | I paid for an extra 2 years coverage. Whether I register now or in Feb 2008, I should still get coverage until Feb 2008. |
| 22:08.12 | CBG | Aribeth: it's a FUJITSU. |
| 22:08.23 | Aribeth | ohh, almost as bad |
| 22:08.32 | CBG | Heh... |
| 22:09.32 | CBG | Argh, it makes me so mad. And I thought the sun shone out of Apple's behinds till today. |
| 22:09.55 | Aribeth | i had a fujitsu drive that died after 3 months |
| 22:10.02 | CBG | ouch |
| 22:10.27 | Aribeth | fry's wasnt gona honor the warenty....they did after i was done with them |
| 22:11.06 | CBG | heh |
| 22:11.42 | Aribeth | i told them i had a lawyer that would love to hear from me |
| 22:12.47 | CBG | heh |
| 22:13.13 | Aribeth | also told them the news would like to hear about it too |
| 22:14.02 | CBG | Wow, hot hot hot. |
| 22:14.12 | CBG | The Harddrive (I guess) is really heating up. |
| 22:14.25 | CBG | And I just took my pen drive out, which was roasting too. |
| 22:14.42 | Aribeth | ohhh cooling issue |
| 22:15.11 | CBG | I can feel it through the case, just by holding my hand over it. Not touching, just above it... |
| 22:15.22 | Aribeth | wow |
| 22:15.33 | CBG | I should probably shut down... |
| 22:15.36 | Aribeth | is the drive itself overheating? |
| 22:15.46 | CBG | I have no idea what's going on. |
| 22:16.07 | Aribeth | i have seen some drives run very hot |
| 22:16.13 | brlcad | it's simply a matter of whose ear you get, I've had the opposite happen where I was well past the 1 year but they let me buy an applecare on the spot (since it was within the 3) to get the repair done |
| 22:16.33 | CBG | Everything I knew myself, I posted here: http://www.macosx.com/forums/showthread.php?t=270562 and everything else I know now was posted below... |
| 22:16.53 | CBG | Aribeth: it's sure hotter now than usual... |
| 22:17.00 | Aribeth | ahh |
| 22:17.11 | Aribeth | laptop? |
| 22:17.16 | CBG | yeah. |
| 22:17.22 | CBG | my little baby :( |
| 22:17.46 | Aribeth | might check the heat exchanger for dust |
| 22:17.58 | Aribeth | make sure the vents are all clear |
| 22:18.20 | CBG | hmm, ok |
| 22:18.21 | JeffM2501 | my friends laptop had that problem |
| 22:18.31 | JeffM2501 | she had cathair all up in the heatsynks |
| 22:18.45 | Aribeth | you would be suprised how much dust collects |
| 22:19.16 | CBG | yeah |
| 22:19.16 | JeffM2501 | cat hair is the anti-computer |
| 22:19.25 | Aribeth | yep |
| 22:19.30 | CBG | You don't wanna see how much hair gets between the keys... |
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| 22:21.09 | Aribeth | for me its bird dander that gets into everything |
| 22:21.22 | CBG | heh |
| 22:21.37 | CBG | I bet that sounded odd to Mr Riker. ;) |
| 22:21.42 | Aribeth | parrots have lots of dander, and they are always preening |
| 22:21.47 | JeffM2501 | I was thinking if I should have goten the protecton plan for the pod |
| 22:22.15 | CBG | JeffM2501: I was going to too, since It was a nano, and what with all the tlak of scratches... |
| 22:22.33 | JeffM2501 | I'm more woried about the batery |
| 22:22.52 | CBG | I got it at christmas, and I got a case for it as well. As soon as I took it out of the box, it went into the case. It only comes out to be charged, but even so, I was worried. |
| 22:23.09 | CBG | It doesn't have a single scratch on it, so, I don't think I needed to have been so careful. |
| 22:24.09 | CBG | Either way, it's in great nic. |
| 22:24.19 | JeffM2501 | can you get apple care on anything that is under a year, regardless of where you buy it? |
| 22:25.00 | CBG | Dunno. I guess it depends on the standard warranty on that product. |
| 22:25.12 | CBG | I had a years cover on the iBook without apple care. |
| 22:25.24 | JeffM2501 | ehh it's cheaper to get the bestbuy plan |
| 22:25.33 | CBG | I supossedly had to register the AppleCare within that year. |
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| 22:45.47 | im_fine_u | is it bad if i dont have voice? |
| 22:46.01 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 22:46.14 | JeffM2501 | it must means you would not survive the cullings |
| 22:46.37 | im_fine_u | i see |
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| 23:13.16 | im_fine_u | Does anyone know where I can download mspdb80.dll? |
| 23:14.23 | blast007 | google? |
| 23:14.28 | im_fine_u | tried that |
| 23:14.32 | im_fine_u | nothing |
| 23:15.00 | im_fine_u | i need it for Microsoft Visual C++ 2005, without it I cant compile |
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| 23:17.17 | JeffM2501 | you may need to get the windows SDK |
| 23:17.29 | JeffM2501 | are you building bzflag or a plugin? |
| 23:17.34 | im_fine_u | plugin |
| 23:17.45 | JeffM2501 | hmm a plugin should not need anything extra |
| 23:17.56 | JeffM2501 | where does it say it needs that? |
| 23:18.29 | im_fine_u | well, i need to command-line compile it, and when I try to convert it to an object (cl /c plugin.c plugin.obj it says it |
| 23:18.45 | im_fine_u | and when I try to link |
| 23:18.46 | JeffM2501 | why arn't you using the sample proejct files |
| 23:19.00 | JeffM2501 | from the IDE |
| 23:19.09 | JeffM2501 | you can't just build a Cpp file into a plugin |
| 23:19.14 | JeffM2501 | you need import and export info |
| 23:19.15 | im_fine_u | gah |
| 23:19.19 | im_fine_u | oh |
| 23:19.26 | im_fine_u | thats the problem |
| 23:19.27 | JeffM2501 | it's all set up in the project files |
| 23:19.36 | im_fine_u | ok |
| 23:19.43 | JeffM2501 | there a sample plugin procject in the /plugins folder in the source |
| 23:19.53 | JeffM2501 | with instrucitons on how to rename it into your own plugin |
| 23:20.24 | JeffM2501 | just building the C file will try to make it a standalone app, and it won't link cus plugins don't have a main |
| 23:20.39 | JeffM2501 | they build into DLLs |
| 23:20.40 | im_fine_u | k |
| 23:20.43 | JeffM2501 | not exes |
| 23:21.22 | JeffM2501 | did you read the API documentation? |
| 23:21.40 | JeffM2501 | it has a section on how to start a new plugin |
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| 23:22.44 | JeffM2501 | bot_under_dev, please don't test bots here, test them in a testing channel or botpark |
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| 23:40.05 | a_temp_dist | can i load more than one "-banfile" in a conf? |
| 23:41.18 | blast007 | don't see how you could |
| 23:41.29 | JeffM2501 | it's not realy set up to merge them |
| 23:41.38 | JeffM2501 | other then merging local and master |
| 23:41.39 | a_temp_dist | k thx |
| 23:41.46 | blast007 | plus it wouldn't know which one to write to |
| 23:41.50 | JeffM2501 | tho it would not be that hard of a thing, other then storage for /reload |
| 23:41.54 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:42.02 | JeffM2501 | you could make it allways write to the last |
| 23:42.06 | blast007 | yeah |
| 23:42.07 | JeffM2501 | but that would be a change |
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| 23:42.49 | blast007 | a_temp_dist: any specific reason for that? |
| 23:42.55 | a_temp_dist | mofo is sort of thinking about a sub-group master banlist |
| 23:43.16 | a_temp_dist | whatever you'd call that :) |
| 23:43.17 | JeffM2501 | the server isn't realy set up for that |
| 23:43.17 | blast007 | you could do a php script that could merge the real masterban with a local master ban |
| 23:43.24 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:43.26 | blast007 | then point your servers to the local masterban |
| 23:43.33 | blast007 | and have each server with it's own local banfile |
| 23:43.38 | JeffM2501 | optimaly you'd want to have it pull the ban list from a URL |
| 23:43.39 | a_temp_dist | good idea |
| 23:43.51 | blast007 | yup |
| 23:43.51 | JeffM2501 | hmmm or you could modify your masterban URL |
| 23:43.58 | JeffM2501 | and use your own "masterban" list |
| 23:44.01 | blast007 | right, that's what I was meaning |
| 23:44.04 | JeffM2501 | tho you can't update it from in game |
| 23:44.20 | a_temp_dist | that be ok - we'd add them manually |
| 23:44.22 | JeffM2501 | the real masterban is easy to upddate |
| 23:44.26 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't change often |
| 23:44.31 | blast007 | I did a similar thing for the server list...I have it filtering our some crappy servers ;) |
| 23:44.49 | JeffM2501 | did I add a command line option for masterban URL? |
| 23:45.31 | blast007 | yeah, it's there |
| 23:46.36 | Gnurdux | why not just have a shared banlist a_temp_dist ? |
| 23:46.58 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, because bzfs has no way to share a banlist |
| 23:47.05 | Gnurdux | hmm |
| 23:47.10 | JeffM2501 | other then masterban |
| 23:47.12 | Gnurdux | you might be able to do it with a plugin |
| 23:47.20 | JeffM2501 | yes you could do it with a plugin |
| 23:47.27 | Gnurdux | hmm |
| 23:47.28 | blast007 | you don't need a plugin to solve everything ;) |
| 23:47.31 | Gnurdux | really? |
| 23:47.39 | JeffM2501 | no but it could be a valid use for one |
| 23:47.51 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, so it would download bans |
| 23:47.52 | JeffM2501 | they could tie it into there own web based ban system |
| 23:47.55 | blast007 | can't they already share a common masterban? |
| 23:47.57 | Gnurdux | and woudlnt store a banfile |
| 23:47.58 | blast007 | er |
| 23:48.01 | blast007 | common banfile |
| 23:48.07 | Gnurdux | blast007, but masterban cant be updated |
| 23:48.07 | a_temp_dist | i think merging the real masterbanlist with our sub-group-banlist would work well |
| 23:48.20 | blast007 | Gnurdux: right |
| 23:48.22 | Gnurdux | a_temp_dist, but most people will just do /ban |
| 23:48.24 | JeffM2501 | blast007, I was just thiniing if they wanted to store bans in like a shared web database |
| 23:48.26 | JeffM2501 | and be all cool |
| 23:48.27 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 23:48.31 | blast007 | heh |
| 23:48.37 | JeffM2501 | maybe ban based on more then just what we let them ban on |
| 23:48.43 | blast007 | pretty much the same as doing a PHP based thing |
| 23:48.45 | JeffM2501 | in that case a plugin would be well suited |
| 23:48.52 | Gnurdux | and also a_temp_dist when someone is banned from one server shouldnt they be banned from all? |
| 23:49.04 | JeffM2501 | blast007, except the plugin could register a new ban command and actualy uppdate the shared bans |
| 23:49.19 | blast007 | Gnurdux: each server on a shared machine might have slightly different rules |
| 23:49.21 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, could it replace /ban |
| 23:49.23 | JeffM2501 | using masterban is basicly read only |
| 23:49.25 | a_temp_dist | not necessarily - our admins have different tolerances |
| 23:49.25 | blast007 | but a cheater, for example, would be banned from all |
| 23:49.33 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, no, a plugin can not overide an existing command |
| 23:49.38 | Gnurdux | oh |
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| 23:49.53 | JeffM2501 | there are many options |
| 23:50.02 | JeffM2501 | a plugin is a vialble one if you want to go an extra mile |
| 23:50.14 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, there is one problem with one though |
| 23:50.14 | JeffM2501 | for a simple shared read only ban list, merging masterban is the way to go |
| 23:50.22 | a_temp_dist | yep |
| 23:50.23 | Gnurdux | if someoen is removed from the list |
| 23:50.34 | Gnurdux | how will the server manage that? |
| 23:50.41 | a_temp_dist | we'll only be editing the mofo-banlist by hand |
| 23:50.56 | a_temp_dist | because we'd want to talk about it |
| 23:51.06 | blast007 | a_temp_dist: could even iptables bad people out ;D |
| 23:51.07 | JeffM2501 | then manual update may be best |
| 23:51.19 | Gnurdux | it would still be an interesting plugin idea |
| 23:51.22 | JeffM2501 | that is true, asuming they all runt he same OS |
| 23:51.49 | a_temp_dist | we don't - most are on one server, but a few are still on home machines |
| 23:52.09 | JeffM2501 | the simplest thing would be to download the masterban file |
| 23:52.09 | Gnurdux | what os does the server run? |
| 23:52.11 | JeffM2501 | add your bans to it |
| 23:52.14 | JeffM2501 | host it on a web page |
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| 23:52.22 | JeffM2501 | then have everyone use that as there masterban URL |
| 23:52.25 | a_temp_dist | yep - gonna propose that |
| 23:52.31 | JeffM2501 | then manualy update the file when needed |
| 23:52.41 | a_temp_dist | whats the conf line for masterbanlist URL ? |
| 23:52.43 | Gnurdux | or make a php script to update |
| 23:52.50 | JeffM2501 | if you wanted to automate it more, you could as blast sugested use a php page that merges in the masterban at run time |
| 23:53.05 | JeffM2501 | probably -masterbanURL ;) |
| 23:53.11 | blast007 | -masterBanURL |
| 23:53.16 | Gnurdux | you could even make a web interface with "Add Ban: |
| 23:53.17 | a_temp_dist | great |
| 23:55.06 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, probably a little overly complex for there first shot at it. |
| 23:55.18 | JeffM2501 | you don't need to overdesign all things. |
| 23:55.25 | Gnurdux | true |
| 23:55.34 | Gnurdux | you mean like i did with the patch for themes? |
| 23:55.38 | blast007 | that's my issue with things too ;) |
| 23:55.45 | blast007 | I like to make them perfect the first time |
| 23:55.51 | blast007 | then I never finish them |
| 23:55.58 | JeffM2501 | yeah me too |
| 23:56.01 | Gnurdux | heh |
| 23:56.16 | JeffM2501 | a plugin that integrated into a web based user management system would be cool |
| 23:56.20 | blast007 | I must have like 100 different PHP projects that are like 20-50% done |
| 23:56.21 | Gnurdux | i would want to make things perfect if i wasn't too lazy |
| 23:56.22 | JeffM2501 | but would also be a big job |
| 23:56.28 | blast007 | yeah |
| 23:57.06 | JeffM2501 | a php page that merged 2 ban lists from 2 URLs would be prety easy tho |
| 23:57.14 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, would it be possible to make a bzflag sub-network |
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| 23:57.25 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, what would the plugin do? |
| 23:57.28 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, huh? |
| 23:57.44 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, like have another list server and stuff |
| 23:57.48 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 23:57.54 | JeffM2501 | just be some config changes |
| 23:58.02 | Gnurdux | but one with only certain server |
| 23:58.02 | Gnurdux | s |
| 23:58.09 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 23:58.19 | Gnurdux | actually, not even another list server |
| 23:58.21 | JeffM2501 | a user can change his configs to point to any list server URL |
| 23:58.24 | a_temp_dist | pre-filtered |
| 23:58.32 | Gnurdux | but a seperate system for user management in general |
| 23:58.39 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 23:58.58 | JeffM2501 | a plugin has hooks and can do user management |
| 23:58.59 | Gnurdux | so that some servers would nto check the bzflag forum. they would use there own forums |
| 23:59.03 | JeffM2501 | it can set perms |
| 23:59.07 | blast007 | Gnurdux: you can make a private list server system |
| 23:59.09 | JeffM2501 | and allow or deny a player |
| 23:59.09 | blast007 | without plugins |
| 23:59.20 | Gnurdux | they can allow or deny players? cool |
| 23:59.24 | JeffM2501 | yeah or you could have your own list server that did it's own user management |
| 23:59.26 | blast007 | o.O |
| 23:59.35 | JeffM2501 | you can do ether option |
| 23:59.39 | blast007 | it just uses phpBB |
| 23:59.45 | blast007 | and some extra tables |
| 23:59.49 | JeffM2501 | you don't have to use phpbb |
| 23:59.53 | blast007 | right |
| 23:59.54 | JeffM2501 | if you mod the list server code |