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| 00:21.07 | brlcad | how do you get rid of a local auth user? |
| 00:21.16 | brlcad | without editing the user db files |
| 00:22.19 | brlcad | anyone, everyone? |
| 00:23.57 | menotume | /deregister user ? |
| 00:24.07 | menotume | /deregister "callsign" ? |
| 00:24.25 | brlcad | ahh, danka good sir |
| 00:24.48 | brlcad | ooh, deregister command disabled |
| 00:25.34 | brlcad | anyone more familiar with dub perhaps? |
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| 00:32.05 | menotume | who do you want to dereg ? |
| 00:32.14 | menotume | the 'l' guy ? |
| 00:32.59 | spldart | Can someone email me a recent win32 bzadmin for 2.1.6? Pweese?!?! |
| 00:33.12 | spldart | jrlawrenceii@yahoo.com |
| 00:36.00 | lan56 | do you have a bzbb name, spldart |
| 00:36.30 | spldart | I'm spldart @ bzbb |
| 00:36.43 | lan56 | ok I'll whip one up for you |
| 00:36.48 | spldart | Thanks :) |
| 00:36.55 | lan56 | np it'll be 5 mins or so |
| 00:37.03 | spldart | NP |
| 00:37.07 | lan56 | cvs HEAD correct? |
| 00:37.17 | spldart | 2.1 not 2.0 |
| 00:37.28 | lan56 | right |
| 00:37.29 | spldart | latest |
| 00:37.35 | spldart | right ;) |
| 00:37.37 | lan56 | k |
| 00:37.50 | spldart | what do you build win32 with? |
| 00:38.15 | lan56 | to build win32 builds either vc++ can be used or mingw32/cygwin |
| 00:39.04 | spldart | I was never able to get mingw32 to work for me... close but no cigar |
| 00:39.14 | lan56 | have you tried dev-c++? |
| 00:39.18 | spldart | no |
| 00:39.23 | spldart | hrm |
| 00:39.32 | lan56 | it is an ide and it is all configured and stuff for you |
| 00:39.35 | lan56 | it uses mingw32 |
| 00:39.48 | lan56 | vc++ also is great to use |
| 00:41.12 | spldart | which is more user friendly? I'm used to doing builds on linux but not win |
| 00:42.33 | spldart | got dev-c-++ downloaded now |
| 00:42.41 | lan56 | k |
| 00:43.10 | lan56 | I have it built, let me zip it up and then I'll pm it to you |
| 00:43.15 | spldart | ah.. I got the Visual studio but haven't reinstalled it or used it a single time |
| 00:43.21 | spldart | thanks |
| 00:43.40 | lan56 | np |
| 00:43.57 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03lan56 * 10bzflag/Dev-C++/ (bzadmin-pdcurses.dev bzadmin.dev): build regex files as C |
| 00:47.44 | lan56 | spldart, sent |
| 00:49.23 | spldart | :-D |
| 00:55.17 | spldart | Hrm... it says incompatibile server version 0036 when I run it...Is that cuz I ran the .dll's that came with the latest 2.0.6? |
| 00:56.01 | lan56 | it shouldn't require any .dlls to run my bzadmin |
| 00:56.29 | spldart | oh.. I just assumed. Then it shouldn't call them either. |
| 00:56.31 | lan56 | what is the version of bzfs of the server you are trying to connect to? |
| 00:56.37 | spldart | 2.1.6 |
| 00:57.04 | spldart | lemme check sumfan |
| 00:57.09 | lan56 | do you know a protocol number? |
| 00:57.26 | lan56 | what is the output of "bzfs -version"? when you get back |
| 00:59.33 | bryjen | head is 2.1.7 |
| 00:59.48 | lan56 | ahh there you go |
| 01:00.18 | bryjen | must've been a protocol change from 2.1.6 |
| 01:01.28 | spldart | 0036 |
| 01:01.31 | spldart | oh |
| 01:01.47 | spldart | 2.1.7... Lemme update my server :) |
| 01:04.49 | spldart | Ok.. I'm cvs ing the latest source... thanks again :) |
| 01:05.00 | lan56 | k |
| 01:06.43 | spldart | I chased him away :( |
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| 01:46.31 | spldart | ok... query.. Whatever version of BZ I play I'm flashing to desktop with a minimized game in the taskbar... it' |
| 01:46.48 | spldart | it's random but very regular |
| 01:47.20 | L4m3r | first guess would be another app stealing the focus |
| 01:47.22 | spldart | this is a relatively new install of windows cuz I got rid of my 160 gig drive for a 300 gig and two 250 gigs |
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| 01:47.44 | spldart | that's what I though.. I closed this irc client and everything else and it's still doing it :confused: |
| 01:48.11 | spldart | I'm afriad I smashed my keyboard drawer cuz i kept getting fragged while minimized :( |
| 01:48.28 | L4m3r | did you try playing a different game or browsing the 'net to see if it happens then? |
| 01:49.30 | spldart | browsing the net? I can do that fine... or talk here on my Virc client just fine... or watch tv just fine on ATI MMC... but bzflag version -any keeps jumping out... btw xp pro |
| 01:49.39 | spldart | and it didn't do this before the reinstall |
| 01:50.04 | spldart | hrm |
| 01:50.25 | L4m3r | hm... |
| 01:51.29 | spldart | I'm going to start killing background apps and try bzclient over and over........ |
| 01:51.37 | L4m3r | worth a shot :\ |
| 01:53.00 | brlcad | spldart: L4m3r's idea that another app is stealing focus sounds like what's happening to me too |
| 01:53.14 | brlcad | how about any other chat clients |
| 01:53.20 | brlcad | they are notorious for stealing focus |
| 01:53.25 | brlcad | like aim, yahoo, etc |
| 01:53.56 | brlcad | even if they're just sitting there in the task bar |
| 01:53.57 | spldart | no other chat clients |
| 01:54.06 | spldart | not even in the task bar |
| 01:54.26 | brlcad | could try playing windowed for a while, see what happens |
| 01:54.31 | spldart | Was : motherboard monitor, ati remote control, sound, lan and time |
| 01:54.36 | spldart | ooo |
| 01:54.53 | brlcad | should be able to tell if/when you loose focus a little easier perhaps |
| 01:54.59 | spldart | btw.. I'm not jumping out of focus when playing on a server with no players.... figures |
| 01:55.53 | L4m3r | are you using standard controls? |
| 01:57.19 | spldart | ok... still happening with almost everything killed... mouse for move and fire tab for jump |
| 01:57.40 | spldart | It even happens on 1.10.8 client :eek: |
| 01:57.54 | spldart | Maybe I should reboot |
| 01:59.57 | spldart | BRB.... everthing is killed and it still does it and I've already tried with Virc killed so reboot time |
| 02:02.14 | lan56 | ughh in vc++ 2005 express edition do I have to make a project file (or whatever its called on vc++) to build even a single file? |
| 02:03.01 | menotume | ask Bill |
| 02:03.14 | lan56 | Gates? |
| 02:03.40 | menotume | yep :) |
| 02:03.52 | lan56 | okay I will |
| 02:04.01 | menotume | but, i would guess that a single-cource project should have about 20+ files |
| 02:04.24 | menotume | in vc++ |
| 02:04.25 | menotume | :) |
| 02:04.34 | lan56 | perhaps |
| 02:04.44 | menotume | dunno, never used it, just a guess |
| 02:05.57 | lan56 | well I'll figure it out |
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| 02:22.58 | spldart | growl snarl |
| 02:34.00 | spldart | another symptom I noticed when the problem started... when first starting the client the blue taskbar is flashing through at the bottom of the client |
| 02:34.27 | L4m3r | perhaps it has something to do with your video configuration? |
| 02:36.18 | spldart | Hrm... i had decided to change bzflag configuration to utilize the same resolution screen as desktop but reduced the colors from 24 to 16 experimenting... didn't think that would have this effect but I guess I'll put it back to 24 once the virus scan is done |
| 02:43.07 | spldart | AAH HAA |
| 02:43.41 | spldart | 2.0.6 works fine if set to same resolution and color depth as current desktop... which isn't right :confused: lemme see if that fixed 1.10.8 too just outta curiousity |
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| 02:54.01 | spldart | 1.10.8 works better... it konked off twice in a few minutes.... hrm |
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| 03:01.17 | spldart | hrm.... I cvs'd the latest source, or so I thought, and I build but I have a 0036 version when I finished ??? |
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| 03:06.38 | spldart | Is there a link to a tar with the 2.1.7 source? |
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| 03:49.53 | spldart | No ideas why cvs would bring down 2.1.6 but 2.1.7 is out there somewhere? Did 2.1.7 get pulled? |
| 03:50.19 | spldart | cvs=joo code writers who think ish up |
| 03:50.20 | A_Meteorite | No, CVS is not up to date |
| 03:50.36 | A_Meteorite | it's about two-three weeks old from the outage |
| 03:50.58 | spldart | Is there a way to get more up to date code or is that a realm that only Dev's domain? |
| 03:51.23 | spldart | that is until cvs catches up |
| 03:51.35 | A_Meteorite | only the dev's domain |
| 03:51.58 | spldart | okies... Thanks for the response :) |
| 03:52.07 | A_Meteorite | :) |
| 04:30.07 | spldart | WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee BEEEEEEPPP!!!!! |
| 04:30.48 | blast007 | right... |
| 04:38.53 | DTRemenak | wrong! |
| 05:08.52 | Aribeth | maybe |
| 05:09.38 | trepan | sometimes |
| 05:09.47 | Aribeth | lol |
| 05:09.55 | Aribeth | hey trepan |
| 05:10.15 | trepan | hello Aribeth |
| 05:10.26 | Aribeth | how ya been? |
| 05:11.32 | trepan | same old |
| 05:12.01 | Aribeth | same here |
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| 12:24.22 | Mr_Molez | _sussi: heya |
| 12:24.31 | _sussi | hola |
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| 12:31.21 | Mr_Molez | menotume: ping |
| 12:43.09 | _sussi | better try peng |
| 12:43.16 | _sussi | or boing |
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| 13:40.11 | brlcad | yay, friday |
| 13:40.30 | _Manu_ | brlcad, festive here ;) |
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| 14:07.46 | im_fine_u | is there any BZFlag devs here? |
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| 14:14.35 | brlcad | ~ask |
| 14:14.36 | ibot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a quesiton first. Don't ask if a person is there, just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily. See also http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
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| 14:32.07 | brlcad | im_fine_u: that was directed at you |
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| 14:45.51 | im_fine_u | I feel hurt |
| 14:49.51 | orange | im_fine_u: that was his way of saying go ahead and ask your question, and if someone can help you they will |
| 14:50.08 | orange | just having a dev here doesn't mean the right person to answer your question is here |
| 15:06.19 | Mr_Molez | bleh |
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| 15:11.24 | im_fine_u | well, I think you need to understand that only a developer can answer my question |
| 15:11.56 | im_fine_u | dont be rude or condecending, just point me to one |
| 15:13.33 | orange | im_fine_u: why don't you just ask your question and see what happens? |
| 15:14.12 | im_fine_u | WHAT IS THE OBSERVER_BOLT IN THE DATA FOR? |
| 15:14.37 | orange | (you're not winning any popularity contests :-) |
| 15:15.41 | im_fine_u | your very unprofessional and I am appaled at your behavior, i want a simple answer, not some smart as comment from a brain dead person like you |
| 15:16.03 | orange | ok |
| 15:21.14 | menotume | good luck in getting one now |
| 15:24.33 | _sussi | ~answer |
| 15:24.34 | ibot | 42 |
| 15:24.50 | _sussi | ~match |
| 15:24.51 | ibot | rumour has it, match is at 8:00 GMT? |
| 15:25.10 | menotume | ~try #bzleague |
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| 15:28.58 | brlcad | im_fine_u: you apparently didn't read what I was directing at you, we are all here voluntarily -- this isn't a professional organization |
| 15:29.36 | menotume | what is that png for anyway ? :P |
| 15:29.46 | menotume | doesn't look familiar |
| 15:31.21 | brlcad | well, the bolts are shots |
| 15:31.48 | brlcad | so if an observer could ever fire a shot, that is what theirs would look like |
| 15:31.52 | orange | lol |
| 15:32.08 | orange | of course, I still think that would be fun |
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| 15:32.28 | orange | like the little coin-op water guns you see at the 'river rapids' rides at theme parks |
| 15:33.02 | brlcad | mostly just for completeness |
| 15:33.23 | brlcad | the bolt code does a lookup on the player type, and pulls up the associated bolt texture |
| 15:33.32 | brlcad | so if it was ever asked to do so on an observer, it has something |
| 15:33.53 | orange | too bad the hothead left before getting his answer ;-) |
| 15:33.55 | brlcad | as opposed to just crapping out or segfaulting or having some non-generic code |
| 15:34.19 | brlcad | he was apparently not_fine_u |
| 15:35.15 | ATD | do i still use "-r v2_0branch" when using anon-cvs? (for 2.0.x) |
| 15:35.31 | brlcad | anon is still horked if i'm not mistake |
| 15:35.38 | ATD | it worked this morn |
| 15:35.41 | brlcad | ah |
| 15:35.44 | brlcad | then sure |
| 15:35.48 | brlcad | though it won't change much |
| 15:36.08 | brlcad | if you don't use the branch, you're going to have a client that will not work with any of the current servers |
| 15:36.22 | brlcad | i.e. dev-only protocol-incompatible stuff |
| 15:36.32 | ATD | k cool thx - I don't want 2.1.x branch so right |
| 15:36.46 | brlcad | 2.1 isn't branch, it's head |
| 15:36.58 | ATD | good to know |
| 15:37.43 | ATD | different topic - got any hints to getting an intel-mac client built? |
| 15:38.40 | brlcad | hints? .. compile it :) |
| 15:38.50 | ATD | i've built clients with xcode before - but even if I choose "universal" it still shows up as PPC |
| 15:38.51 | brlcad | shouldn't be anything to prevent it from building |
| 15:38.57 | brlcad | ah |
| 15:39.01 | brlcad | not via xcode |
| 15:39.04 | ATD | ok |
| 15:39.13 | ATD | make install? |
| 15:39.18 | brlcad | bz's xcode project is simply a wrapper on a command line build |
| 15:40.00 | brlcad | you have the source, cd bzflag, ./autogen.sh, ./configure, make |
| 15:40.08 | ATD | yes |
| 15:40.24 | brlcad | are you actually on an intel mac? |
| 15:40.29 | ATD | nope |
| 15:40.32 | brlcad | ahhh |
| 15:40.41 | brlcad | universal won't work right now |
| 15:40.50 | brlcad | or I would have built it that way for 2.0.8 |
| 15:41.00 | brlcad | er, whatever number we're on :) |
| 15:41.34 | ATD | ok, but I could get my pal with an intel-mac to build it with normal process |
| 15:41.36 | ATD | thx |
| 15:41.42 | brlcad | we have endian-code for the networking transport that will need to be modified in order to work as a universal |
| 15:41.55 | brlcad | yeah, if you have an intel mac, you're good to go |
| 15:42.00 | brlcad | just compile it there |
| 15:42.18 | brlcad | in fact if you get him to build it and send me the binaries, I'll post it up |
| 15:42.50 | brlcad | the binaries sit in src/bzflag, src/bzfs, src/bzadmin after make -- those are shoved into the .app directory bundle |
| 15:43.08 | ATD | k |
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| 16:49.19 | TimRiker | anyone recall where the nick overflow bug was and about when it got fixed? |
| 16:49.36 | TimRiker | http://aluigi.altervista.org/adv/bzflagboom-adv.txt |
| 16:52.34 | JeffM2501 | yeah it was fixed right before 2.0.6 IIRC |
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| 16:54.19 | brlcad | right before 2.0.4 |
| 16:54.22 | JeffM2501 | let me find the commit |
| 16:54.25 | brlcad | inadvertently |
| 16:54.39 | brlcad | about 8-10 months ago |
| 16:54.47 | brlcad | closer to 8 iirc |
| 16:54.55 | brlcad | by trepan iirc |
| 16:55.13 | JeffM2501 | didn't meno also do some changes to it right before the end? |
| 16:55.36 | JeffM2501 | or pimpi |
| 16:55.36 | brlcad | maybe, but doesn't ring a bell with me |
| 16:55.42 | brlcad | i recall debugging it |
| 16:56.03 | menotume | right before 2.0.4 ? |
| 16:56.09 | JeffM2501 | no 2.0.6 |
| 16:56.13 | menotume | ah, yes |
| 16:56.15 | orange | menotume: go to your match |
| 16:56.36 | menotume | prevent callsings from overwriting lagstats |
| 16:56.43 | brlcad | ahh, that's a different issue |
| 16:56.45 | menotume | (bzfs) |
| 16:56.50 | JeffM2501 | ahh ok |
| 16:57.00 | JeffM2501 | ohh the clamp in the net stuff |
| 16:57.01 | TimRiker | right before 2.0.6? that would be days ago? |
| 16:57.05 | JeffM2501 | yeah that's been changed for a whil |
| 16:57.07 | brlcad | the bzflagboom thing was an off by 1 error |
| 16:57.33 | brlcad | TimRiker: last fall |
| 16:57.35 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, we have to do a 2.0.8 |
| 16:57.44 | JeffM2501 | so you may want to wait on debians |
| 16:57.59 | TimRiker | I'm all confused. |
| 16:58.12 | JeffM2501 | the bzboom thing is not the same thing I was thinking of |
| 16:58.19 | JeffM2501 | the bzboom thing was fixed in the fall |
| 16:58.23 | TimRiker | the debian package is allready uploaded. no problem though I can do another easily. |
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| 16:58.31 | menotume | do we have to do 2.0.8 ? |
| 16:58.41 | menotume | isn't it just server stuff |
| 16:58.43 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, libcurl is leaving connections open to list server and SF for every client and server |
| 16:58.49 | menotume | ahh |
| 16:58.54 | JeffM2501 | menotume, yeah best way to get people to upgrade |
| 16:58.55 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: ugh. |
| 16:59.00 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, exactly |
| 16:59.12 | menotume | has that fix been confirmed to work ? |
| 16:59.15 | menotume | hard to test |
| 16:59.20 | JeffM2501 | that I don't know |
| 16:59.24 | brlcad | wow, I'm off .. more than 10 |
| 16:59.29 | brlcad | date: 2004/12/06 07:48:11; author: trepan; state: Exp; lines: +110 -0 |
| 16:59.48 | JeffM2501 | dtr and brlcad found it while looking into the slowness on my.b.o |
| 16:59.54 | Chestal | isn't it just a matter of checking netstat? |
| 17:00.08 | JeffM2501 | Chestal, but lots of people still use the old one |
| 17:00.10 | TimRiker | brlcad: that's the boom patch? what file? |
| 17:00.13 | brlcad | hmm, that might be the right commit |
| 17:00.14 | JeffM2501 | so it's hard to see :) |
| 17:00.24 | Chestal | no, I mean on the lcient side |
| 17:00.27 | brlcad | er, might not |
| 17:00.30 | Chestal | to see, whether the fix fixes |
| 17:00.35 | JeffM2501 | ahh true |
| 17:00.39 | JeffM2501 | that would be a good test |
| 17:00.41 | brlcad | TimRiker: looking it up, hold pls |
| 17:00.41 | JeffM2501 | you'd see it close it |
| 17:00.48 | TimRiker | brlcad: thx |
| 17:00.50 | JeffM2501 | chestal is smart ;) |
| 17:01.07 | Chestal | above all, I am hungry right now |
| 17:01.15 | JeffM2501 | feed the need |
| 17:01.19 | menotume | or, i could set up my listserver |
| 17:01.26 | JeffM2501 | that could be a nother test |
| 17:01.38 | JeffM2501 | we should make sure it's fixed by tomorow if we can |
| 17:01.48 | JeffM2501 | then see if we can bust out a .8 this weekend |
| 17:02.03 | JeffM2501 | unless anyone has any other critials? |
| 17:02.05 | JeffM2501 | criticals even |
| 17:02.06 | menotume | not yet :) |
| 17:02.14 | menotume | but, one never knows |
| 17:02.16 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 17:02.25 | JeffM2501 | well I mean any that we know about that we SHOULD fix |
| 17:02.36 | JeffM2501 | people have been mentioning something aabout roger |
| 17:02.53 | JeffM2501 | but I think they don't understand that the server has to be upgraded to 2.0.6 to get the fixes for that too |
| 17:02.56 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: there should be a way to push out a close-connection in bzfls.php, no? |
| 17:03.05 | TimRiker | course that does not fix SF, but ah well. |
| 17:03.10 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, I don't know. I asked that |
| 17:03.21 | JeffM2501 | but noone had a good idea how |
| 17:03.34 | JeffM2501 | it is something we should look into |
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| 17:04.28 | brlcad | ahh, there it is |
| 17:04.30 | brlcad | date: 2005/09/30 14:04:49; author: trepan; state: Exp; lines: +19 -0 |
| 17:04.38 | brlcad | that fits the timeline |
| 17:04.45 | JeffM2501 | that would be the fall :) |
| 17:05.03 | brlcad | TimRiker: cvs diff -r 2.4 -r 2.3 src/net/Pack.cxx |
| 17:05.16 | brlcad | that's the patch if i'm not mistaken |
| 17:05.32 | brlcad | as well as a fix in '04 -- the 0 clamping is what fixes it |
| 17:06.18 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, you going to be around this weekend? we will need a dns change for images.bzflag.org, gonna move it to .bz |
| 17:06.57 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: I added a "Connection: close" to the http header on the list server. |
| 17:07.06 | JeffM2501 | ok, maybe that will help |
| 17:07.10 | TimRiker | re: dns. sure. |
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| 17:07.31 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, cool, I'll probalby copy it on saturday, and send you an e-mail with the new IP |
| 17:07.41 | JeffM2501 | and we'll leave it duped till it updates |
| 17:07.56 | JeffM2501 | actualy prolly leave it duped as a backup :) |
| 17:08.29 | JeffM2501 | abd A_metorite is working on a way to automate the image submisions ( yet still have a real eye verify them ) |
| 17:11.17 | menotume | Gnurdux has an API feature he'd like to add |
| 17:11.39 | JeffM2501 | that I know |
| 17:11.46 | JeffM2501 | he's been buging about it for days |
| 17:11.58 | JeffM2501 | and because of that part of me dosn't want to put it in |
| 17:12.04 | JeffM2501 | just so he learns not to bug people |
| 17:12.10 | menotume | :) |
| 17:12.16 | JeffM2501 | but I told him I'd look at it before we release |
| 17:12.19 | JeffM2501 | like tonight |
| 17:12.26 | menotume | well, i'll try to look at / test it too |
| 17:12.28 | JeffM2501 | dude just needs to chill |
| 17:12.30 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 17:12.32 | menotume | msame here, but listserver first |
| 17:12.33 | Tupone | I prefer nothing to add to 2.0 :/ |
| 17:12.44 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, yeah |
| 17:12.49 | Tupone | anything can be a bug |
| 17:12.49 | JeffM2501 | but if it'll shut him up |
| 17:13.01 | brlcad | i think he's been messaging everyone |
| 17:13.02 | JeffM2501 | and an API call is only called by some plugins, not the core |
| 17:13.16 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, that's why I kninda don't want to put it in |
| 17:13.21 | JeffM2501 | object lession |
| 17:13.26 | JeffM2501 | since his parents can't seem to controll him |
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| 17:13.50 | JeffM2501 | I assume that we all agree to leave him on quiet for a while more? |
| 17:14.13 | blast007 | /vote yes |
| 17:14.34 | wegstar | heh |
| 17:14.35 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, there were mentions of some autopilot problems on the forums, is that anything you want to look at before 2.0.8 ? or are they just not understanding what your fix is? |
| 17:14.52 | Tupone | my fix is a things I broken |
| 17:14.59 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 17:15.04 | uso | is public cvs out of date? i can't find the v2_0_6 tag there |
| 17:15.11 | JeffM2501 | uso, yes |
| 17:15.12 | blast007 | uso: it is not synced yet |
| 17:15.13 | TimRiker | looks like there have been a bunch of changed to bzfls.php that nobody checked in. |
| 17:15.15 | Tupone | when I did authentication changes |
| 17:15.27 | uso | oh, nearly a week :( |
| 17:15.34 | JeffM2501 | uso, 3 weeks |
| 17:15.36 | blast007 | uso: more like 2 or 3 |
| 17:15.40 | JeffM2501 | maybe coming up on 4 now |
| 17:15.55 | uso | oh oh |
| 17:15.59 | TimRiker | debug stuff, sql changes, |
| 17:16.09 | TimRiker | GETTOKEN |
| 17:16.14 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, a bunch of stuff in the web dir wasn't in cvs ether |
| 17:16.20 | JeffM2501 | or was in cvs wrong |
| 17:16.39 | JeffM2501 | images as text and the like |
| 17:17.04 | TimRiker | private messge notification? |
| 17:17.12 | JeffM2501 | yeah its cool :) |
| 17:17.21 | JeffM2501 | the game tells you if you have fourm messages waiting :) |
| 17:17.44 | TimRiker | neato |
| 17:17.54 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 17:18.18 | JeffM2501 | between that and the new auto update system, 2.2 shoudl be a lot easyer to get info out to people |
| 17:18.47 | JeffM2501 | specialy if I do the modal dialogs |
| 17:18.47 | TimRiker | hmm. there are some changes in cvs that are not in the file. |
| 17:18.53 | JeffM2501 | great |
| 17:22.53 | TimRiker | ugh... sure has gotten messy since I last editied it. |
| 17:23.33 | uso | or is it already in 2.0.6? as anon cvs is out of date .. |
| 17:23.47 | blast007 | uso: get the 2.0.6 source tar if you want the 2.0.6 code |
| 17:25.13 | blast007 | not sure if it had jitter kick though, might only be in HEAD |
| 17:25.25 | JeffM2501 | we arn't adding new big features to 2.0.8 |
| 17:25.33 | JeffM2501 | it is just an emergency bug fix |
| 17:25.50 | uso | emergency? so 2.0.6 is broken? |
| 17:26.01 | JeffM2501 | well 2.0.x is broken :) |
| 17:26.07 | uso | just started to download it :) |
| 17:26.08 | JeffM2501 | the bug has been in for a while |
| 17:26.08 | Tupone | yep, in some way |
| 17:26.10 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10db/bzfls.php: merge changes back, add connection:close |
| 17:26.11 | JeffM2501 | it will work |
| 17:26.32 | JeffM2501 | but 2.0.8 will do some better things that will out out the public websites better |
| 17:26.33 | uso | client or server side? |
| 17:26.40 | JeffM2501 | the bug is in both |
| 17:27.03 | JeffM2501 | the bug dosn't affect the game |
| 17:27.12 | bryjen | its not broken in a way players see directly, but broken in that it's overloading the list server, which you can see indirectly in slow listing |
| 17:27.14 | JeffM2501 | it just affects the web servers the client and server contact |
| 17:27.19 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 17:27.29 | Tupone | and the spawn things ? |
| 17:27.31 | TimRiker | ugh. there's a ton of other stuff that's out of date with cvs. |
| 17:27.36 | JeffM2501 | the spawn thing is a real bug I think |
| 17:28.04 | TimRiker | what a mess. |
| 17:28.13 | Tupone | but that is server side |
| 17:28.16 | bryjen | ~mop TimRiker |
| 17:28.17 | ibot | ACTION get's a mop and cleans up after TimRiker |
| 17:29.03 | JeffM2501 | the dirty side of project managemet :) |
| 17:29.31 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10db/header.inc: stats.php too |
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| 17:29.47 | JeffM2501 | I don't think people know that that stuff is in CVS |
| 17:30.00 | JeffM2501 | maybe put something in a common header for the files that says what CVS repo they are in |
| 17:30.34 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10db/weblogin.php: knightmare |
| 17:30.58 | JeffM2501 | that's where i put that php file |
| 17:31.10 | JeffM2501 | met will need that |
| 17:31.37 | TimRiker | heh |
| 17:31.50 | JeffM2501 | I knew I put it in a cvs, just could not remember what one |
| 17:31.55 | JeffM2501 | kept thinking it was in misc |
| 17:33.27 | JeffM2501 | hmmm well the fourms seem faster now from about 30 min ago |
| 17:33.30 | JeffM2501 | a LOT faster |
| 17:33.59 | Tupone | eek, who changed what? |
| 17:34.14 | JeffM2501 | tim put in a thing in the list server to force connections closed |
| 17:34.24 | JeffM2501 | so that could have helped |
| 17:34.26 | Tupone | ahh good |
| 17:34.36 | bryjen | I know I've been told patches welcome for this before, but: the commonly queried servers section on stats.bzflag.org really could be generated from the db instead of listing old servers that don't exist anymore ;) |
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| 17:34.49 | Tupone | ~pw |
| 17:34.50 | ibot | well, patches welcome is a common response by maintainers of Open Source products. It's roughly means "We don't have much time on our hands, so if you write that feature and send it to us we will likely roll it in. If you don't have the time to write it, we don't either. Stop asking for it." |
| 17:34.56 | JeffM2501 | bryjen, yes that needs to be done |
| 17:35.00 | blast007 | JeffM2501: weblogin.php is what gives a site a token, not what checks it |
| 17:35.08 | JeffM2501 | it'll also free up hits to apache |
| 17:35.12 | bryjen | hint, hint, to the webmonkeys |
| 17:35.20 | JeffM2501 | blast007, the checker is in the same repo |
| 17:35.24 | JeffM2501 | there is code there to check it |
| 17:35.36 | blast007 | k, didn't check to see, just looked at the weblogin.php file |
| 17:35.46 | JeffM2501 | there is another file there IIRC |
| 17:35.59 | blast007 | also, I'm playing around writing a wiki ;) |
| 17:36.01 | JeffM2501 | that has a php function to verify the token and groups |
| 17:36.05 | JeffM2501 | sweet |
| 17:36.17 | blast007 | gonna start on the database aspect of it now |
| 17:36.53 | JeffM2501 | I'll put up 25$ amazon gift certs for a better wiki and the image system, 25$ for each one |
| 17:36.56 | TimRiker | Tupone: why eek? |
| 17:37.35 | Tupone | I thought it was just the change in bzflag source. eek is because I doubt that is yet downloaded |
| 17:37.48 | TimRiker | ah |
| 17:38.35 | Tupone | TimRiker: any hope on changing moinmoin to a recent mediawiki for development? |
| 17:39.02 | Tupone | perhaps is better to ask brlcad to put a new one |
| 17:39.07 | JeffM2501 | well we want to make the change to the source too |
| 17:39.12 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak did that allready |
| 17:39.48 | Tupone | JeffM2501: I'm not so sure it alwasy better, but at least it will focus on the problem |
| 17:40.07 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 17:40.45 | blast007 | I could see where it would be better to reuse the same connection for downloading textures |
| 17:40.57 | Tupone | maybe texture d/l is worst, as they check for time before d/l |
| 17:41.13 | Tupone | and they make now 2 connection (maybe) |
| 17:41.27 | Tupone | or maybenot |
| 17:43.22 | TimRiker | Tupone: actually I like moinmoin better than media. but the big issue is getting off SF so that email updates etc work. |
| 17:43.54 | blast007 | I don't like either system really :) |
| 17:44.20 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, the texture download vector was cleared when all the downloads are done |
| 17:44.24 | JeffM2501 | so the connecitons get closed |
| 17:44.29 | JeffM2501 | so it's not that bad |
| 17:44.54 | Tupone | I'm pretty neutral, even if I like mediawiki more, but we need a dev-only wiki, and teach JeffM2501 on how to log in |
| 17:45.00 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: "image system" ? |
| 17:45.32 | blast007 | texture hosting |
| 17:45.37 | TimRiker | ah |
| 17:45.40 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, a form for people to send in textures, with the required info |
| 17:45.49 | JeffM2501 | then it mails the admins, and they can approve or deny it |
| 17:47.23 | menotume | so, let's put a good wiki at m.o.b or bzflag.bz |
| 17:48.12 | JeffM2501 | menotume, that has been discussed |
| 17:48.26 | JeffM2501 | I like the concept of the wikimedia one that tupone likes |
| 17:48.48 | TimRiker | it's media wiki iirc. |
| 17:49.20 | TimRiker | tweaked some kernel stuff. how do the forums feel? |
| 17:50.05 | JeffM2501 | let me look |
| 17:50.14 | JeffM2501 | fast |
| 17:50.16 | JeffM2501 | normal fast |
| 17:50.25 | Tupone | I can host mediawiki, if that is dev only, but I think brlcad is better at hosting. Mine is about 500k upload |
| 17:50.27 | JeffM2501 | I'll watch it durning th day |
| 17:50.45 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, I'm sure brlcad can host it |
| 17:50.46 | menotume | i could host it too |
| 17:50.58 | JeffM2501 | from what he says he's not even geting close to his bandwith |
| 17:52.18 | Tupone | well, a wiki for 20 peoples does not need a lot of band, unless it host movies |
| 17:52.28 | JeffM2501 | mmm movies |
| 17:52.29 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 17:52.37 | JeffM2501 | I'd like it to be the same as the main wiki |
| 17:52.43 | JeffM2501 | but us able to lock sections to dev only |
| 17:52.46 | JeffM2501 | for editing |
| 17:52.56 | Tupone | brlcad: talking of the devil |
| 17:53.04 | menotume | here's tiki if any1 wants to play with it: http://www.bzleague.com/tiki |
| 17:53.05 | JeffM2501 | but let regular users still able to leave comments ( or a talk page ) |
| 17:53.34 | Tupone | brlcad: have you checked your gf ? |
| 17:53.47 | JeffM2501 | I think we should just figure out what features we want, then see what wiki has those :) |
| 17:54.14 | brlcad | not even close to a blip on bandwidth |
| 17:54.28 | brlcad | if it gets close, I'll just fork off the non-bz stuff to a new server |
| 17:54.49 | menotume | tiki seems to have full permiss system |
| 17:54.57 | menotume | although, i forgot my password :) |
| 17:55.00 | Tupone | tikiwiki is boring |
| 17:55.09 | brlcad | Tupone: google forum? :) |
| 17:55.18 | brlcad | grape fluff? |
| 17:55.20 | Tupone | :) |
| 17:55.23 | TimRiker | new moinmoin has permissions, and email, and gui editor, and ... |
| 17:55.34 | Tupone | well, talking about horns .. |
| 17:56.09 | menotume | boring ? |
| 17:56.09 | Tupone | TimRiker: discussions? |
| 17:56.10 | menotume | hehe |
| 17:56.55 | TimRiker | Tupone: not in the base code. there are patches for that. but I'm a non-fan of wiki discussions. if you want a discussion use a forum. |
| 17:57.23 | cosmos | wiki is an eyesore. |
| 17:57.29 | menotume | which wiki should we use to discuss wikis ? |
| 17:57.33 | Tupone | I mean discussions related to a wiki page, like JeffM2501 suggested |
| 17:57.33 | TimRiker | a wiki should have the current state of something, not a long drawn out conversation on something. |
| 17:57.37 | blast007 | menotume :D |
| 17:58.50 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 17:58.58 | JeffM2501 | but we should also be able to see history |
| 17:59.03 | JeffM2501 | if we want to |
| 17:59.09 | brlcad | the main feature of moin moin that I never fully "appreciated" (i.e. liked) was the SquishedWordsMakeALink default (yes, I know it can be broken out) |
| 17:59.09 | menotume | and easy revert |
| 17:59.10 | blast007 | and mediawiki does history |
| 17:59.48 | Tupone | moinmoin too IIRC |
| 17:59.51 | blast007 | then again, doesn't moinmoin? |
| 17:59.52 | blast007 | yeah |
| 18:00.16 | brlcad | wiki-wise, either is probably more than sufficient |
| 18:00.17 | Tupone | mediawiki "does" history :) |
| 18:00.39 | Tupone | as is the base for the wikipedia |
| 18:00.48 | brlcad | it'll mostly boil down to the wiki editing capabilities/simplicity and the wiki style |
| 18:01.26 | brlcad | i dare say that media looks a heck of a lot better by default |
| 18:01.55 | blast007 | moinmoin just seems to have a diff feature, not full history |
| 18:03.08 | blast007 | brlcad: it is better in a lot of ways |
| 18:03.16 | brlcad | hmm, missed that -- I'll match Jeff's $25 each proposition as well |
| 18:07.57 | JeffM2501 | I know what things I'd like the wiki to do |
| 18:08.04 | brlcad | blast007: in all fairness, according to http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?FullHistory moin moin does full history |
| 18:08.07 | JeffM2501 | personaly I don't care how it does em :) |
| 18:09.12 | brlcad | how it does what? |
| 18:09.19 | blast007 | brlcad: hmm, I'm not seeing how to do that on ours |
| 18:09.29 | brlcad | blast007: maybe a version thing |
| 18:09.34 | blast007 | could be |
| 18:09.42 | brlcad | ours is ancient |
| 18:09.56 | blast007 | all I see is the RecentChanges page linking to a page with the diff command |
| 18:10.03 | JeffM2501 | it built the stargates? |
| 18:10.07 | blast007 | hehe |
| 18:10.12 | brlcad | :) |
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| 18:10.38 | JeffM2501 | I think a big thing woudl be to let only some people edit the page, but let others leave comments |
| 18:10.50 | JeffM2501 | so that as we work out a development plan, users can comment or add sugestions |
| 18:10.50 | blast007 | yeah, that's a plan for mine :) |
| 18:10.56 | blast007 | group based stuff |
| 18:11.15 | brlcad | yet still do it well enough |
| 18:11.41 | JeffM2501 | yeah that's what I'm offering the prize for.. done, set up, installed and working |
| 18:11.46 | JeffM2501 | full kit |
| 18:12.16 | brlcad | that's what i mean, though .. how much would/will it take :) |
| 18:12.22 | JeffM2501 | I'll probably buck up near 100$ for a new forum system and global login thing with all the features I want. |
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| 18:12.56 | JeffM2501 | well if your gonna match my offer, we are talking 50$ for a wiki |
| 18:13.26 | brlcad | i'd gladly contribute matching for whatever if it simply works well and looks good |
| 18:13.44 | JeffM2501 | keep it integrated with the main website? |
| 18:13.53 | brlcad | but that was my point.. if on a grand scale if we could actually attract someone with 50 |
| 18:14.01 | brlcad | or would it take something less, or more |
| 18:14.13 | JeffM2501 | that is the good question |
| 18:14.30 | brlcad | without someone like [insert name here] that would need their hand held and kissed all the time |
| 18:14.35 | JeffM2501 | hell binary spike was gonna mod bzfs for molez for15$, 50 should be plenty for a wiki :) |
| 18:15.07 | brlcad | integration with the main site would be ideal |
| 18:15.13 | brlcad | though that also needs some consideration |
| 18:15.17 | JeffM2501 | so basicly a drop in replacemet for what we have |
| 18:15.19 | brlcad | I'd like to move to a proper cms |
| 18:15.28 | JeffM2501 | are we also talking conversion of the existing data? |
| 18:15.30 | JeffM2501 | or will we do that? |
| 18:15.37 | brlcad | I know tim isn't too fond of that, but then our site _still_ sucks after how many years? |
| 18:15.47 | JeffM2501 | 12 |
| 18:16.05 | JeffM2501 | I'd hope the new design sucks less, but it needs more modern features |
| 18:16.11 | JeffM2501 | like leting peole login and stuff |
| 18:16.12 | brlcad | we could work on migrating existing data over time as needed |
| 18:16.23 | brlcad | like the forums could probably stay as-is |
| 18:16.30 | JeffM2501 | keep it hosted on SF? |
| 18:16.34 | brlcad | the wiki data.. only so so useful, could be migrated manually |
| 18:16.36 | JeffM2501 | or just elsewhere? |
| 18:16.37 | blast007 | so are we wanting a Wiki system at all for the main site? |
| 18:16.48 | blast007 | or do we want more of an article management system? |
| 18:16.57 | JeffM2501 | both would be best :) |
| 18:17.02 | blast007 | (:) |
| 18:17.05 | blast007 | er, :) |
| 18:17.09 | JeffM2501 | they are kinda the same thing |
| 18:17.09 | brlcad | hosting on sf.net depends if we really wanted a cms/wiki/forum that required e-mail kickoffs |
| 18:17.17 | JeffM2501 | a wiki with one locked editor is an article :) |
| 18:17.30 | brlcad | if we do, then the site needs to be offsite or modded to relay email |
| 18:17.41 | JeffM2501 | I've allways thought the main page should have the features of like one of the portal siutes |
| 18:17.44 | JeffM2501 | like the nukes |
| 18:17.53 | JeffM2501 | rss readers that show the popular servers |
| 18:17.58 | JeffM2501 | login pages |
| 18:17.59 | JeffM2501 | articles |
| 18:18.00 | brlcad | yeah, that's what I mean when I say cms |
| 18:18.01 | JeffM2501 | downloads |
| 18:18.03 | JeffM2501 | stuff like that |
| 18:18.09 | JeffM2501 | and also a wiki |
| 18:18.11 | blast007 | it would also be nice to merge the stats system into the main code |
| 18:18.18 | brlcad | content management system, the nukes, plone, drupal, etc |
| 18:18.24 | JeffM2501 | but a wiki that could have pages locked to groups |
| 18:18.29 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 18:18.47 | JeffM2501 | I hear phpnuke is not very good code wise, but I allways liked it's featureset |
| 18:18.48 | brlcad | drupal has much of the current momentum, looks great, feature-full |
| 18:19.09 | JeffM2501 | is it time to move the site off of SF? |
| 18:19.12 | JeffM2501 | totaly? |
| 18:19.15 | brlcad | *nuke has a horrible history and security reputation that make me fear it big time |
| 18:19.21 | JeffM2501 | make it the same machine as the forums? |
| 18:19.32 | JeffM2501 | yeah that's what I meant about the bad code |
| 18:19.37 | JeffM2501 | I was just saying the features |
| 18:19.38 | Tupone | phpnuke is great for users, admins and for hackers :( |
| 18:19.40 | JeffM2501 | the blocks and stuff |
| 18:19.45 | brlcad | hehe, Tupone |
| 18:19.52 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure there are better system that have similar features |
| 18:20.25 | brlcad | drupal, plone, mambo are the three big names that I'd consider |
| 18:20.31 | wegstar | drupal! |
| 18:20.35 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 18:20.36 | Tupone | plone |
| 18:20.56 | JeffM2501 | coudl it also be the user management system? |
| 18:21.08 | JeffM2501 | or would we want to split that out to another thing as well? |
| 18:21.17 | JeffM2501 | and just mod it and bzbb to use the 3rd system |
| 18:21.25 | brlcad | it could, though it would probably be good to pick one that has a authentication plugin that could be overridden |
| 18:21.37 | brlcad | (e.g. drupal has this, don't remember the other two) |
| 18:21.55 | JeffM2501 | a big thing that woudl help me would be a way for users to register a "server" then have it auto manage there groups and prefix them with the reged server name |
| 18:22.06 | JeffM2501 | then I'd not have to do all that group stuff |
| 18:22.11 | wegstar | hmm |
| 18:22.14 | brlcad | that should be a "plugin" to whatever system we go with |
| 18:22.20 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 18:22.31 | brlcad | all three support plugins |
| 18:22.32 | JeffM2501 | personaly I don't care how it works on the back end |
| 18:22.46 | JeffM2501 | I can just desribe the end features I'd like to see ;) |
| 18:23.01 | JeffM2501 | webmonkeys are best at the backend |
| 18:23.01 | brlcad | Tupone: the "problem" with plone is that it is a cpu and memory beast |
| 18:23.28 | brlcad | and it's basically a non-starter option to run on sf.net |
| 18:23.28 | Tupone | I know, i like the design but it need a dedicated CPU |
| 18:23.44 | brlcad | I mean it's _really_ hungry last I looked |
| 18:23.51 | brlcad | in comparison |
| 18:23.58 | JeffM2501 | and keeping it on sf is our best way to suvive a /,ing right? |
| 18:24.04 | brlcad | yeah |
| 18:24.19 | JeffM2501 | a good enough reason to try and keep it on SF |
| 18:24.33 | brlcad | should probably make a matrix of what features we want, what we want to consider |
| 18:24.50 | bryjen | ~fling brlcad |
| 18:24.51 | ibot | ACTION flings poo at brlcad |
| 18:24.52 | brlcad | then weight those features for each product |
| 18:24.59 | JeffM2501 | I'll write up a list of the things I'd like to see tonight |
| 18:25.22 | brlcad | seriously, if plone did everything exactly as we needed, was the easiest to use -- i'd drop sf hosting for it |
| 18:25.40 | brlcad | sf hosting is only one consideration |
| 18:25.42 | JeffM2501 | would we need a dedicated box for it? |
| 18:25.46 | brlcad | albeit a very important one |
| 18:25.50 | JeffM2501 | yes, that is why I said Try, |
| 18:25.54 | brlcad | tbd |
| 18:25.55 | JeffM2501 | not do :) |
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| 18:27.55 | bryjen | no newlines? |
| 18:28.03 | JeffM2501 | it's kinda like that yeah |
| 18:28.06 | brlcad | yeah, sf.net is currently hosting up roughly 1 to 2 million hits per month, 5-10 GB transfer |
| 18:28.33 | brlcad | so the transfer traffic isn't a problem at all, it's mostly the hit rate |
| 18:28.43 | JeffM2501 | bryjen, but it's only no newlines "sometimes" |
| 18:28.50 | bz83 | ~bzfquery 213.249.225.168:5154 |
| 18:31.02 | brlcad | wow, we got about 100k hits in a single day recently |
| 18:31.20 | Daler | has anyone ever written a decoder for the bzflag network protocol? like a plugin for ethereal or some other packet sniffer? |
| 18:31.20 | bryjen | what day was 2.0.6? |
| 18:31.30 | brlcad | that's more than a hit a second over the entire day |
| 18:32.15 | brlcad | Daler: folks have written their own decode layers in various languages, but not specifically for ethereal that I know of |
| 18:32.21 | brlcad | bryjen: news file :) |
| 18:32.28 | brlcad | last weekend |
| 18:32.34 | brlcad | whenever that was |
| 18:34.44 | bryjen | Sunday, April 9th. One week slippage after the April Fool's proposal. |
| 18:34.58 | bryjen | although SF helped with that |
| 18:35.06 | brlcad | sf caused that |
| 18:35.38 | brlcad | hmm.. our highest month web traffic was 2.8 million hits |
| 18:35.56 | brlcad | that's more than a hit a second over every second of the month :) |
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| 18:37.57 | Daler | brlcad: ok thanks. I was just looking at the Protocol.h and seeing all the nicely defined const in there got me thinking about writing a plugin for ethereal since its easy to install on both Windows and *nix machines |
| 18:47.42 | brlcad | Daler: you might also be interested in the NetworkProtocol.xml doc in the doc/guide dir |
| 18:48.16 | blast007 | brlcad: is that updated? |
| 18:48.31 | blast007 | might be close enough for some stuff |
| 18:48.35 | brlcad | sssh ;) |
| 18:48.48 | blast007 | heh |
| 18:49.24 | Daler | brlcad: cool! how often do things change for messages....I would guess at this stage you guys are maybe extended the data inthe packets, but not really adding many more packet types? |
| 18:49.55 | brlcad | they get changed all the time actually |
| 18:50.44 | brlcad | every time you see 2.oddnumber as the bzflag version, that means we changed the protocol in some incompatible manner |
| 18:50.49 | blast007 | when I was playing with a PHP-based client interface, I went through a lot of code finding how stuff was packed/unpacked |
| 18:51.27 | blast007 | some stuff is a little hard to follow as well |
| 18:51.27 | brlcad | when we change the protocol, we usually do it several times over as a set for the next major release |
| 18:51.48 | blast007 | since it unpacks part of the packet in one spot, then sends the rest of the packet to another function |
| 18:51.59 | blast007 | but most is unpacked in the same location |
| 18:52.27 | brlcad | all that packing and unpacking should really happen in one place |
| 18:52.33 | blast007 | yeah |
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| 18:55.29 | Daler | is there compression involved in it or just reading of the bytes? |
| 18:55.42 | brlcad | PuMpErNiCkLe: we've had several slashdottings, it probably was one of them, but that's still a surprisingly high sustainment |
| 18:58.10 | Daler | I've done this for a project that had about 100 message types, packed multiple messages into one packet, and compressed the packet on top of that :) I can link it to some header files within bzflag and then it would just be a matter of keeping up with those changes in protocol, or maybe just getting up to date after releases |
| 19:05.58 | [dmp] | for my project i probably need to change the network to show that my ideas works/dosnt work, so im probably going to look into the network too (soon) |
| 19:06.38 | [dmp] | fyi :) |
| 19:10.32 | Daler | gotta run. laters. |
| 19:10.33 | brlcad | Daler: there's no compression on the usual stream -- there is compression on the higher-bandwidth transfers like sending/receiving the world |
| 19:10.39 | brlcad | bleh |
| 19:11.45 | brlcad | the idea about compressing a bunch of packets together isn't a bad idea, but I still wouldn't want to add that without consolidating the messages serialization/deserialization into one place |
| 19:12.14 | brlcad | then bzfs could bundle them together as necessary |
| 19:21.21 | Deepa | lo brlcad |
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| 19:21.32 | brlcad | hello |
| 19:22.11 | Deepa | you know alot, right? |
| 19:22.32 | brlcad | i know nothing |
| 19:22.45 | Deepa | great |
| 19:22.50 | Deepa | then you can help me fix my favorite pencil |
| 19:22.51 | Deepa | which just broke |
| 19:23.49 | Deepa | brb gonna get a chainsaw |
| 19:34.38 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, 100k hits on sf? or mybo? |
| 19:34.48 | brlcad | sf |
| 19:34.57 | JeffM2501 | wow |
| 19:35.01 | brlcad | yeah |
| 19:35.06 | brlcad | that's a lot.. |
| 19:35.11 | JeffM2501 | should make sure it's spelled right then :) |
| 19:35.19 | brlcad | heh |
| 19:36.02 | JeffM2501 | I have no problme if one of the webmoneys(tm) wants to mod the new layout more |
| 19:36.11 | JeffM2501 | I just got sick of the blue and bland |
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| 19:40.30 | Birdie | hey tankitty! |
| 19:40.33 | Tankitty | hi |
| 19:40.40 | JeffM2501 | well whatever tim did, the sites a lot faster now |
| 19:43.07 | JeffM2501 | wonder if we still have to do a 2.0.8 |
| 19:43.20 | orange | how about the spawn thing? |
| 19:43.24 | orange | is that server-side? |
| 19:43.27 | JeffM2501 | yeah it is |
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| 19:43.33 | JeffM2501 | probably should do one for that |
| 19:43.34 | orange | so not as important |
| 19:43.42 | JeffM2501 | and get the curl fix out there |
| 19:43.43 | orange | well, server owners could use cvs or patch |
| 19:43.48 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 19:44.02 | ToughShooter | CVS is now in sync? |
| 19:44.03 | JeffM2501 | I think we should release it, but it just means we don't have to push it as hard |
| 19:44.48 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, the SF status page does not say that it is |
| 19:44.55 | JeffM2501 | http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=2352&group_id=1 |
| 19:45.25 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: That was sarcasm ;) |
| 19:45.30 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 19:45.36 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 19:45.42 | JeffM2501 | well we can't just wait for it to be |
| 19:45.49 | JeffM2501 | that's why I think we shoudl release |
| 19:45.50 | ToughShooter | I am smart enough to read the status page :) |
| 19:46.27 | JeffM2501 | whos' to say SFs SVN system is any better? |
| 19:46.38 | orange | I didn't say SF :-) |
| 19:46.41 | JeffM2501 | it could only be up because it has less of a load |
| 19:46.57 | JeffM2501 | well then how do we get a host that will let us survive a /.ing? |
| 19:47.01 | orange | but yeah, it could suck just as bad |
| 19:47.19 | JeffM2501 | I want to make changes that get us /.ed all to hell :) |
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| 19:47.45 | orange | you can still release on SF but not use their cvs/svn, can't you? |
| 19:47.56 | orange | maybe not, I don't know such things |
| 19:47.58 | JeffM2501 | during a /.ing even CVS use goes up |
| 19:48.00 | JeffM2501 | youcan |
| 19:48.13 | JeffM2501 | as many /.ers just get cvs to use |
| 19:48.40 | JeffM2501 | I think we should maybe look at using our own dev cvs, or svn, that auto syncs to sf |
| 19:48.43 | JeffM2501 | and the public uses sf |
| 19:48.56 | JeffM2501 | gives us a backup |
| 19:49.12 | menotume | auto-sync would be easy on a periodic basis |
| 19:49.14 | JeffM2501 | and we could release our own no commit acces to our repo as needed |
| 19:49.37 | menotume | but, not commit-synced |
| 19:49.48 | orange | svn could do it |
| 19:49.49 | JeffM2501 | I'd only do commits to one |
| 19:49.50 | orange | with hooks |
| 19:49.54 | orange | I'm sure cvs can too |
| 19:50.00 | JeffM2501 | commits to our repo |
| 19:50.05 | JeffM2501 | and SF is just a flat mirror |
| 19:50.06 | orange | you just have a commit hook that pushes it to sf too |
| 19:50.07 | menotume | we don't have direct access to the files |
| 19:50.37 | orange | menotume: you just call a script on your private svn repository on each commit |
| 19:50.38 | JeffM2501 | I don't know enough about how they all work |
| 19:51.02 | menotume | well, i mean to keep rev nums consistant |
| 19:51.10 | menotume | i could see them getting out-of-sync |
| 19:51.11 | orange | I don't think you'd be able to do that |
| 19:51.46 | menotume | might as well just do a daily update/commit then |
| 19:51.53 | orange | true |
| 19:52.03 | orange | then people would still complain about the lag to anonymous cvs/svn :-) |
| 19:53.06 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 19:53.29 | JeffM2501 | but for those people, people part of the comunity, we could tell them how to get anon from our cvs/svn |
| 19:53.44 | orange | very true |
| 19:53.48 | orange | there would be alternatives |
| 19:53.59 | JeffM2501 | and we'd ahve more controll over what perms people can get on our repo |
| 19:54.24 | JeffM2501 | we could do one for plugins that had commit access to plugins, but not the rest of the mainline |
| 19:54.45 | JeffM2501 | or give plugin devs commit access to just there little plugin folder |
| 19:54.51 | JeffM2501 | but dev access commits to all plugins |
| 19:55.05 | orange | svn is pretty easy to set up |
| 19:55.10 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 19:55.21 | JeffM2501 | it's just a decent change from our curent way |
| 19:55.35 | orange | it's different enough to be annoying to cvs users |
| 19:55.48 | bryjen | syncing every X hours should be sufficient for anon. and we'd have control of the dev repo and be able to push updates on demand if needed |
| 19:56.05 | JeffM2501 | but we can only push to SF dev |
| 19:56.14 | JeffM2501 | there would still be the sf dev -> sf anon lag |
| 19:56.22 | bryjen | ah, yeah :( |
| 19:56.37 | JeffM2501 | but again, we would realy only use SF for the raw masses |
| 19:56.44 | menotume | so, we add a few hours to it, big deal |
| 19:56.49 | JeffM2501 | anyone who is part of the comunity could use our own interneal anon system |
| 19:56.58 | JeffM2501 | if they need it RIGHT now |
| 19:57.10 | JeffM2501 | at least then we have a way to get anon people RIGHT NOW |
| 19:57.16 | JeffM2501 | currently we can't |
| 19:57.21 | menotume | can we allow 'read-only' access to the SF dev CVS ? |
| 19:57.32 | JeffM2501 | don't think so |
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| 19:57.55 | brlcad | not clear what problem that actually solves though other than a migration |
| 19:58.08 | JeffM2501 | it gives us a live backup |
| 19:58.13 | JeffM2501 | and a little more controll |
| 19:58.19 | JeffM2501 | yet still uses sf for /.ing |
| 19:58.20 | menotume | rught, just fatser access / less down time / more control |
| 19:58.38 | brlcad | it gives more flexibility, but that in itself doesn't solve any problem |
| 19:58.46 | JeffM2501 | no it dosn't |
| 19:58.51 | brlcad | nor does the backup (other than the problem of a lack of a backup, which is easily attained) |
| 19:58.53 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't make the sync faster |
| 19:59.14 | JeffM2501 | it lets us change on conditions faster |
| 19:59.16 | JeffM2501 | that's about it |
| 19:59.18 | orange | it takes you away from the mercy of sf downtimes |
| 19:59.20 | JeffM2501 | but that's not a problem right now |
| 19:59.35 | orange | dev cvs was down... what... 5 days? |
| 19:59.38 | brlcad | orange: and puts us at our own mercy? :) |
| 19:59.38 | JeffM2501 | but adds the posiblity of our own downtimes |
| 19:59.46 | JeffM2501 | dmanit |
| 19:59.47 | orange | yes, your own mercy :-) |
| 19:59.56 | JeffM2501 | again |
| 20:00.24 | orange | but it's way easier to keep a single project svn repository up than a massive one like sf |
| 20:00.32 | JeffM2501 | we don't know that |
| 20:00.36 | JeffM2501 | we've never done it |
| 20:00.40 | orange | well, I've never had any trouble :-) |
| 20:00.40 | brlcad | orange: if you don't think it was a serious failure when you're hosting 100k projects, and you shut down cold.. I have some failure insurance to sell you |
| 20:01.26 | orange | hmmm, I'm not sure what you mean... I think it was a serious failure :-) |
| 20:01.31 | brlcad | a bad hardware failure on our own hands could easily take 5 days as well, or more |
| 20:01.36 | orange | true |
| 20:01.47 | brlcad | probably more |
| 20:02.00 | JeffM2501 | so no he's right it dosn't SOLVE any existing problem |
| 20:02.11 | JeffM2501 | all it woudl do is give us more power, but more responsibility |
| 20:02.21 | brlcad | it's a risky move is all that worries me |
| 20:02.28 | brlcad | a very risky move |
| 20:02.28 | JeffM2501 | and webshooters |
| 20:02.45 | menotume | let's host it on SF ! |
| 20:02.51 | Tupone | I prefer SF or FSF |
| 20:03.15 | JeffM2501 | now hosting our own anon from sf dev may not be bad |
| 20:03.20 | JeffM2501 | that would sove the sync time |
| 20:03.23 | JeffM2501 | but that may not be bad |
| 20:03.28 | JeffM2501 | a bad problem |
| 20:03.59 | Tupone | JeffM2501: I think is better we release more often, using CVS only for dev not release |
| 20:04.20 | JeffM2501 | well we need a way for testers to get CVS |
| 20:04.24 | JeffM2501 | we'll allways need that |
| 20:04.30 | JeffM2501 | but yes we could release more |
| 20:04.36 | JeffM2501 | and do more tarball betas |
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| 20:04.41 | JeffM2501 | do like weekly builds |
| 20:04.43 | Tupone | naha, we can release rc even in SF |
| 20:04.44 | JeffM2501 | that is also a good way |
| 20:04.49 | Tupone | yea |
| 20:04.50 | JeffM2501 | yes we could |
| 20:04.56 | JeffM2501 | I've sugested that as well |
| 20:05.01 | JeffM2501 | SF has good exposure |
| 20:05.14 | JeffM2501 | we should have a more formal beta program |
| 20:05.20 | JeffM2501 | that gets the code out for testing |
| 20:05.35 | menotume | can we do crons on SF ? |
| 20:05.36 | Tupone | we could release whenever we get 100 $ |
| 20:05.40 | JeffM2501 | personaly I'd like to see a beta testing list |
| 20:05.42 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 20:06.03 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, you mean when ever Tim gets 100$ to pay for his cable bill? |
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| 20:06.38 | menotume | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:06.39 | menotume | } |
| 20:06.53 | JeffM2501 | we've talked about that |
| 20:07.06 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, did you find out if zip can do windows line endings? |
| 20:08.16 | menotume | nix zip ? |
| 20:08.26 | menotume | would be easy enough to do with a script |
| 20:08.44 | menotume | just got to know which files to unix2dos |
| 20:08.49 | JeffM2501 | yeah we wanted to find a way to have make dist build a windows formated zip file |
| 20:08.51 | JeffM2501 | automaticly |
| 20:08.54 | menotume | by extension, i guess |
| 20:08.57 | JeffM2501 | wellt hat info is in CVS |
| 20:09.05 | JeffM2501 | cvs knows if they are text or binary |
| 20:09.08 | menotume | actually, that can be automated too |
| 20:09.38 | JeffM2501 | I think it's "if it's not png, it's text" |
| 20:09.51 | JeffM2501 | or the bmp, or ico |
| 20:09.55 | JeffM2501 | basicly images |
| 20:09.57 | bryjen | zip -help says zip -l = convert LF to CR LF |
| 20:10.04 | bryjen | at least here |
| 20:10.05 | JeffM2501 | sweet |
| 20:10.14 | menotume | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:10.16 | menotume | :) |
| 20:10.19 | JeffM2501 | then we could do weekly source packs |
| 20:10.24 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 20:10.25 | trepan | unzip -h : -a auto-convert any text files |
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| 20:12.46 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: only the project files really need to be windows format, right? |
| 20:12.59 | JeffM2501 | at the minimum yes |
| 20:13.05 | JeffM2501 | but if we can do them, why not do the rest |
| 20:13.21 | JeffM2501 | not everyone uses VC as an editor |
| 20:13.24 | DTRemenak | notepad's the only thing that won't handle unix format for normal text files |
| 20:13.39 | JeffM2501 | I dono if bbedit and the other 3rd party ones will |
| 20:14.01 | DTRemenak | if they use standard windows text controls they do |
| 20:14.07 | menotume | what's the nix util that tells you if a file or binary or text ? |
| 20:14.08 | JeffM2501 | not all do :) |
| 20:14.15 | menotume | magic-something ? |
| 20:14.20 | Tupone | file ? |
| 20:14.23 | DTRemenak | if they roll their own and don't put in support for unix-formatted text then they're idiots |
| 20:14.45 | DTRemenak | cause so much stuff is distributed in tarballs and jars |
| 20:14.55 | menotume | well, would be simple enough to write one |
| 20:15.18 | bryjen | menotume: the util is called file |
| 20:15.27 | menotume | ahh :) |
| 20:15.29 | menotume | too easy |
| 20:15.31 | DTRemenak | heh |
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| 20:19.41 | JeffM2501 | I'm just saying we should be complete |
| 20:19.44 | JeffM2501 | and not 1/2 |
| 20:19.56 | JeffM2501 | if your gonna do it, do it constistently |
| 20:20.07 | JeffM2501 | we do a lot of things 1/2 ass |
| 20:20.14 | JeffM2501 | and it's starting to hurt us |
| 20:20.35 | menotume | if we can determine all the project files, it would be easy to add .cxx, .cpp, .h |
| 20:20.42 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:20.51 | JeffM2501 | the project files are allways in known places |
| 20:21.06 | JeffM2501 | there are a couple other files you'd want to do as well |
| 20:21.11 | JeffM2501 | like the installer |
| 20:21.13 | JeffM2501 | the readme |
| 20:21.18 | JeffM2501 | stuff like that |
| 20:21.22 | JeffM2501 | but we cold get you a list |
| 20:21.23 | menotume | actually |
| 20:21.34 | menotume | the list of binaries should be quite small |
| 20:21.42 | JeffM2501 | yes it woudl be smaller |
| 20:21.49 | JeffM2501 | images |
| 20:21.51 | JeffM2501 | and the makefiles |
| 20:22.33 | menotume | makefiles are test |
| 20:22.34 | menotume | text |
| 20:23.00 | bryjen | hmm, a few specific variations of text file... ASCII, ISO-8859, Non-ISO extended-ASCII, UTF-8 Unicode |
| 20:23.06 | menotume | so, convert everything execpt data (less data/Makefile.in) |
| 20:23.32 | menotume | is there any binary besides what's in /data ? |
| 20:23.35 | bryjen | or key on filename extensions *.png |
| 20:23.47 | menotume | right png, wav, whatever |
| 20:26.25 | brlcad | JeffM2501: yes it can, still needs to be tested |
| 20:26.59 | JeffM2501 | sweet |
| 20:27.29 | L4m3r | Argh, this map seam catch problem is really irritating... is there anything I can do to fix it? |
| 20:27.49 | L4m3r | it's cramping my style :| |
| 20:28.00 | brlcad | JeffM2501: another idea maybe worth considering, we could just bypass the whole issue by adding another download section |
| 20:28.33 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 20:28.39 | menotume | yes, current cvs snapshot :) |
| 20:28.41 | JeffM2501 | source and source windows |
| 20:28.48 | JeffM2501 | or the snapthing |
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| 20:33.44 | brlcad | source and source windows |
| 20:34.04 | JeffM2501 | would we still not need to build it automaticly? |
| 20:34.18 | brlcad | we could still build it automatically |
| 20:34.30 | brlcad | basically ending up with two zips, one for win |
| 20:34.30 | JeffM2501 | just so the nixes know not to use it? |
| 20:34.36 | brlcad | right |
| 20:34.43 | L4m3r | you know how certain seams on level surfaces make tanks catch? |
| 20:34.44 | JeffM2501 | think that will be a problem? |
| 20:34.58 | brlcad | might avoid more questions, it seems to be a frequent issue |
| 20:34.59 | JeffM2501 | nixes geting the zip and not the tarball |
| 20:35.03 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 20:35.05 | JeffM2501 | fair nuf |
| 20:35.10 | JeffM2501 | sections are cheap |
| 20:35.10 | brlcad | for the nixes, still have all three |
| 20:35.21 | JeffM2501 | do nixies even need the zip? |
| 20:35.26 | brlcad | zip, tar.gz, tar.bz2 |
| 20:35.33 | Tupone | don't need a zip |
| 20:35.34 | JeffM2501 | seems like overkill for the nixes |
| 20:35.45 | brlcad | it's automatically built, wouldn't hurt |
| 20:35.50 | JeffM2501 | would have even less confusion for them if they didn't have it |
| 20:35.53 | brlcad | would be interesting to see how many download eash |
| 20:36.09 | JeffM2501 | zip is probalby just burned into everyone's brain |
| 20:36.20 | brlcad | mac users tend to look for a zip |
| 20:36.27 | brlcad | most never heard of tar |
| 20:36.36 | brlcad | zip or sit |
| 20:36.38 | JeffM2501 | that is a truth |
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| 21:02.06 | _Manu_ | bryjen, U+0085 NEL Unicode Next Line |
| 21:02.47 | bryjen | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newline or 0x15 |
| 21:03.20 | _Manu_ | it's carry return.. not new line terminator :) |
| 21:04.19 | bryjen | ah, yeah 0x15 = 13 |
| 21:04.32 | _Manu_ | and this is Unicode, not ASCII |
| 21:06.28 | trepan | bryjen: defaulting to base 18? |
| 21:07.40 | bryjen | might as well, since i seem to be confusing hex and octal :/ |
| 21:08.35 | JeffM2501 | hoxtal |
| 21:08.45 | menotume | hehe |
| 21:09.06 | menotume | just unix2dos everything except /data dir :P |
| 21:09.25 | bryjen | or octadecimal, like trepan said |
| 21:16.36 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03bryjen * 10bzflag/ideas.txt: remove a couple more 'extended-ascii' chars |
| 21:25.50 | JeffM2501 | I'm thinkin of just moving that idea stuff to another branch tag |
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| 22:02.01 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, did you see the 3800x2 and mobo for 279? |
| 22:02.20 | DTRemenak | nope |
| 22:02.27 | JeffM2501 | it's in todays add |
| 22:02.34 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 22:02.37 | JeffM2501 | it's a PCI-E/AGP combo board |
| 22:02.39 | JeffM2501 | with a via chipset |
| 22:03.16 | JeffM2501 | did you get something yesterday? |
| 22:03.24 | DTRemenak | nope |
| 22:03.42 | JeffM2501 | they also have the geode for 179 again :) |
| 22:03.52 | DTRemenak | cool |
| 22:04.12 | L4m3r | PCIe + AGP? wow, that'd be great for a test/bench rig |
| 22:04.24 | JeffM2501 | I guess |
| 22:04.29 | JeffM2501 | it's not the best mobo for ether |
| 22:04.35 | JeffM2501 | the AGP slot is "special" |
| 22:04.37 | L4m3r | true |
| 22:04.54 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 22:05.04 | L4m3r | or it would be a nice cheap transition board about a year ago :P |
| 22:05.08 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:05.14 | JeffM2501 | you replace the mobo for 80$ later |
| 22:05.41 | JeffM2501 | even for the CPU that's a good price |
| 22:05.52 | JeffM2501 | basicly the mobo is free |
| 22:08.00 | JeffM2501 | no good deals on PCI-E cards tho |
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| 22:37.56 | bz07 | how do i get a host for my server like somethinghere.somethingthere.com or something |
| 22:38.38 | JeffM2501 | any name? or your own custom one that you think up? |
| 22:38.49 | JeffM2501 | there are free DNS hosts that will give you yourname.therename.com |
| 22:38.56 | bz07 | i found one now |
| 22:38.58 | bz07 | whats my IP ? |
| 22:39.08 | JeffM2501 | http://www.whatismyip.com |
| 22:39.38 | bz07 | simple enough |
| 22:39.39 | bz07 | lol |
| 22:41.54 | bz07 | JeffM2501: I need a .com host or something. where can i get one |
| 22:41.59 | bz07 | i thought i found one |
| 22:42.00 | bz07 | but i didnt |
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| 22:42.35 | bz60 | hi |
| 22:42.50 | bz60 | i iinstall 2.06 of bzflag |
| 22:42.58 | bz60 | and I dont see the flags |
| 22:43.08 | bz60 | what's the problem? |
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| 22:44.52 | [xCHOKEx] | oes anyone here know where i can get a .com host for my server |
| 22:45.18 | CBG | A web host? Or a domain name? |
| 22:45.30 | [xCHOKEx] | ust a domain like someone has pieinthesky.kicks-ass.com |
| 22:45.58 | CBG | Try www.dyndns.com or www.no-ip.com |
| 22:46.06 | [xCHOKEx] | mmk |
| 22:46.11 | [xCHOKEx] | whats the default port on a sevrer |
| 22:46.14 | [xCHOKEx] | server** |
| 22:46.20 | CBG | 5154 |
| 22:46.29 | [xCHOKEx] | do I enable wildcard |
| 22:46.39 | CBG | For..? |
| 22:46.49 | [xCHOKEx] | nvm its working |
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| 22:47.57 | brlcad | hehe, carry return |
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| 22:50.39 | xchokex | how do i get my server on the list |
| 22:51.01 | brlcad | variable terrain, multiplayer tanks, moving turrets (at least for multiplayer tanks), power-up boxes, energy levels |
| 22:51.44 | CBG | xchokex: you need to use -public and -publicaddr in your command or conf file. |
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| 22:52.27 | xchokex | (?) |
| 22:53.11 | CBG | xchokex: what now? see http://bzflag.org/wiki/CreatingAServer |
| 22:54.05 | xchokex | ~bzfquery bz-flag.servegame.org:5154 |
| 22:54.12 | xchokex | oo |
| 22:54.51 | Pimpi | xchokex: you probably want to upgrade your server versin |
| 22:55.03 | xchokex | how |
| 22:55.33 | CBG | xchokex: you can see the Server List here: http://my.bzflag.org/db/ to check that your server shows on the list. |
| 22:56.09 | Pimpi | xchokex: download a recent version |
| 22:56.23 | Pimpi | your's is badly outdated |
| 22:56.39 | Pimpi | _very_ badly outdated |
| 22:57.01 | xchokex | well i got it from a friend so i didnt know |
| 22:57.03 | xchokex | =) |
| 22:57.22 | xchokex | should i uninstall the one i have now and then install the new one |
| 22:57.52 | Pimpi | whats your operaring system? |
| 22:58.08 | Pimpi | operating system |
| 22:58.09 | xchokex | xp |
| 22:58.46 | Pimpi | removing your current installation first might be safe then |
| 22:59.45 | xchokex | whats bzadmin |
| 22:59.57 | Pimpi | xchokex: however, you probably want to learn more about the game, internet security and many other things before you run a public gameserver |
| 23:00.51 | Pimpi | bzadmin is a textclient, that you can use to connect to bzflag servers |
| 23:01.08 | xchokex | oh ok |
| 23:01.12 | xchokex | how do i get a password |
| 23:01.20 | xchokex | ~bzfquery bz-flag.servegame.org:5154 |
| 23:01.38 | Pimpi | better |
| 23:02.49 | CBG | xchokex: player password or server password? |
| 23:02.52 | xchokex | plaeyr |
| 23:03.10 | CBG | go to http://my.bzflag.org/bb/ and register :) |
| 23:03.48 | Pimpi | JeffM2501: quick link to your bzbb post about making public servers? |
| 23:04.00 | JeffM2501 | www.bzflag.org |
| 23:04.01 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 23:04.06 | Pimpi | heh |
| 23:04.21 | Tupone | ~bzfs |
| 23:04.23 | ibot | somebody said bzfs was the BZflag server, you need: -publicaddr server.name.com:5154 *and* -public " come play here" must be set in your bzfs.conf, *also* open the port (5154 in this case) in your firewall/router *also* see http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/CreatingAServer, or see http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=2915 |
| 23:04.34 | JeffM2501 | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=2915 |
| 23:04.38 | JeffM2501 | not that anyone reads it |
| 23:04.52 | JeffM2501 | mmm energy levels |
| 23:05.05 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, I realy want to try splash damage and health soon |
| 23:05.15 | Pimpi | JeffM2501: yep. thats the one i was looking for. ty |
| 23:05.22 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 23:05.54 | Pimpi | xchokex: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=2915 <-- you really want to read this |
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| 23:06.17 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, the froums have been decently peppy all day, what ever you did helped some amount so far. |
| 23:06.30 | L4m3r | listserver seems a bit better too |
| 23:06.35 | JeffM2501 | good |
| 23:06.42 | menotume | and league site :) |
| 23:06.58 | JeffM2501 | note down any slowdown times you see |
| 23:07.02 | JeffM2501 | and we can check logs |
| 23:07.33 | L4m3r | there's still a bit of a delay but at least they all show at once |
| 23:07.48 | L4m3r | no more coming about 20 at a time and resetting your cursor to the top ;) |
| 23:07.55 | brlcad | health is another term for energy levels |
| 23:07.58 | menotume | yes, that was really buging me |
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| 23:24.39 | Tupone | brlcad: quell mipspro warning about partial override on setFullscreen(). one takes a bool the other does not. the one that takes a bool doesn't seem to be virtual, at least nobody overrides it so make it not so. |
| 23:24.44 | brlcad | was thinking of giving delta3d a try |
| 23:25.05 | Tupone | somebody does |
| 23:25.07 | brlcad | Tupone: hmm? |
| 23:25.28 | brlcad | ah, I believe that's due to menotume's half revert of my mistaken removal |
| 23:25.45 | brlcad | he didn't revert the other half :) |
| 23:25.50 | Tupone | hmm, I don't get fullscreen anymore now |
| 23:26.20 | JeffM2501 | it uses crazy eddie's gui |
| 23:26.22 | JeffM2501 | that's a - |
| 23:26.23 | Tupone | what should I do? |
| 23:26.45 | brlcad | delta3d doesn't use cegui afaik |
| 23:26.51 | brlcad | ogre does |
| 23:26.59 | brlcad | it can maybe |
| 23:27.01 | JeffM2501 | they mention it on the site |
| 23:28.26 | JeffM2501 | well and that "us military" thing :) |
| 23:28.40 | brlcad | not to mention what better for a tank game than an engine by the military :) |
| 23:28.42 | JeffM2501 | tho it mostly seems a colection of other libs |
| 23:28.48 | brlcad | pretty much |
| 23:28.48 | JeffM2501 | probalby dependency hell on nix :) |
| 23:28.54 | brlcad | probably |
| 23:28.59 | brlcad | haven't tried it |
| 23:29.16 | brlcad | they're also on freenode and receptive |
| 23:29.26 | brlcad | a plus |
| 23:29.45 | brlcad | i.e. we could get commit access eventually and fix it however needed |
| 23:30.21 | JeffM2501 | don't make me write a new game this weekend |
| 23:31.32 | JeffM2501 | bahh only 72k on each download :( |
| 23:32.39 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/configure.ac: unrevert the other half of the mipspro gunk so that BUGGY_MIPSPRO is correctly conditionaled |
| 23:33.17 | brlcad | Tupone: there ya go.. give that a try.. |
| 23:33.31 | brlcad | it wasn't going fullscreen before then iirc |
| 23:33.31 | Tupone | even the virtual things |
| 23:33.43 | Tupone | that is causing it |
| 23:34.04 | brlcad | you mean with the fix or without it |
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| 23:34.50 | menotume | brlcad: other half ? |
| 23:34.55 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/include/BzfWindow.h: go full screen |
| 23:34.56 | brlcad | never mind ;) |
| 23:34.57 | menotume | was that a seperate commit ? |
| 23:35.01 | brlcad | nope |
| 23:36.48 | brlcad | oooh tupone.. you were quoting my commit log entry |
| 23:36.58 | Tupone | heheh :) |
| 23:37.01 | brlcad | i'm supposed to remember that I wrote that? :) |
| 23:37.46 | Tupone | nobody wrote commit log so full |
| 23:37.50 | brlcad | that is still a cooky override |
| 23:38.16 | Tupone | well you can try to fix again, but leave that virtual :) |
| 23:38.38 | brlcad | the right answer was probably to remove virtual voidsetFullscreen() {;}; |
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| 23:39.24 | brlcad | and simply set a default on the bool |
| 23:39.42 | JeffM2501 | ooo they have data too |
| 23:39.59 | Tupone | I go full screen now, but I cannot set resolution :/ |
| 23:41.26 | Tupone | when the resolution menu was removed? or if is not, please ... where is it now ? I cannot find in 2.0 too |
| 23:45.47 | brlcad | options -> display settings -> change video setting |
| 23:46.05 | brlcad | s/video setting/video format/ |
| 23:47.14 | Tupone | I don't have that :/ |
| 23:47.25 | Tupone | maybe my Xorg setting :/ |
| 23:51.23 | Tupone | 2.2/config.cfg is not so good, when ported from 2.0/config.cfg |
| 23:52.06 | JeffM2501 | it jsut copies it |
| 23:52.25 | JeffM2501 | how is it "bad" ? |
| 23:52.39 | Tupone | ahh, ok, I don't know why some key were not mapped |
| 23:53.00 | Tupone | maybe previuos full screen problem |
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| 23:54.51 | Tupone | another things: when I start I have no joystick, and X/Y axis are N/A, I set joystick, but I cannot select X/Y Axis. I have to exit to select those :/ |