| 00:05.36 | spldart | Stir fry rice with chicken egg and shrimp with crushed red peppers :-p |
| 00:07.16 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07playground_branch * 10bzflag/src/common/global.cxx: formating screwup |
| 00:07.51 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07playground_branch * 10bzflag/ (6 files in 3 dirs): store health values in new player condition class |
| 00:08.08 | A_Meteorite | Health values? |
| 00:08.20 | JeffM2501 | health values |
| 00:08.23 | Deepa | condition class? |
| 00:08.31 | JeffM2501 | condition class |
| 00:08.32 | A_Meteorite | Like.. you can get shot multiple times? |
| 00:08.37 | A_Meteorite | BZflag is going to have health? |
| 00:08.38 | Deepa | like if you are poisoned? |
| 00:08.40 | JeffM2501 | like you can get shot multiple times |
| 00:08.43 | Deepa | A_Meteorite: doesnt it? |
| 00:08.48 | JeffM2501 | or once |
| 00:08.52 | JeffM2501 | if the shot is big enough |
| 00:08.55 | A_Meteorite | oooh |
| 00:08.59 | A_Meteorite | I like that :) |
| 00:09.59 | spldart | Tank HP |
| 00:11.21 | JeffM2501 | hey DTRemenak can you add the new files to vc8 for me? |
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| 00:17.36 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, 3 choices |
| 00:17.52 | JeffM2501 | 1) subspace style... hits take juice, when your outa juice you blow. |
| 00:18.31 | JeffM2501 | 2) shield style, hits take juice, when your outa juice you start taking health damage ( armour hits ), when your outa health you blow, health does not regenerate |
| 00:18.41 | JeffM2501 | 3) hits take health, heath dosn't regenerate |
| 00:19.17 | JeffM2501 | 2,3a) there is a pickup that can give you back health |
| 00:20.01 | JeffM2501 | or d) keep em seperate in the code, and let the server logic figure it out so it can be any of them |
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| 00:48.50 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07playground_branch * 10bzflag/src/ (bzflag/Player.h bzfs/Condition.cxx bzfs/Condition.h): energy, and client side storage of the values |
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| 00:56.26 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07playground_branch * 10bzflag/ (include/ShotUpdate.h src/common/ShotUpdate.cxx): store each shots damage in the shot |
| 01:00.27 | PuMpErNiCkLe | Playground branch? Where could I get that? |
| 01:00.40 | blast007 | can't, since anon is still not syncing |
| 01:01.15 | blast007 | otherwise, it would be the same way you get v2_0branch, just with that tag |
| 01:02.02 | PuMpErNiCkLe | oh well - it sounds cool, but I can wait |
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| 01:08.02 | blast007 | some of the stuff in this branch may make it's way back into the real game...it's to experiment with new things |
| 01:08.37 | blast007 | it looks very cool so far :) |
| 01:10.28 | spldart | @!^$ you anon SYNC!!! |
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| 01:35.39 | Theme97 | Hmm... |
| 01:35.54 | Theme97 | I put my client on AutoPilot on one of my test servers. |
| 01:36.04 | Theme97 | He's in the moat in the Two Castles map by Viper. |
| 01:36.07 | Theme97 | He should be dead by now...? |
| 01:36.30 | Theme97 | Is this a Roger->Death Physics Drivers bug? |
| 01:38.03 | Theme97 | You can see him at bzserve.no-ip.org:1234 :/ |
| 01:39.51 | Theme97 | He might've lagged onto it. |
| 01:41.00 | Theme97 | Yep, nvm. |
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| 02:29.58 | a-delusion | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=7746 we're getting a forum bug where it looks like your post isn't entering, but it really did, quicktim just triple posted, and i did the same thing this morning. |
| 02:30.20 | a-delusion | posting php? |
| 02:31.40 | brlcad | Deepa: sure I could! something similar at least |
| 02:32.07 | *** kick/#bzflag [Deepa!n=sean@pdpc/supporter/silver/brlcad] by brlcad (I do this to all my best friends that ask for op (or something similar)) |
| 02:32.16 | DTRemenak | hehehe |
| 02:34.32 | brlcad | a-delusion: known issue, working on it, yada yada moo |
| 02:35.03 | a-delusion | NP, thanks |
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| 02:44.11 | JeffM2501 | wow they blocked bzflag.bz too |
| 02:45.06 | orange_away | wow, maybe it's you they're after? |
| 02:45.13 | JeffM2501 | maybe |
| 02:45.18 | JeffM2501 | tho they let guu stay |
| 02:45.24 | JeffM2501 | so I can tunnel thru her :) |
| 02:45.28 | orange_away | hehe |
| 02:45.34 | orange_away | tunnel hopping |
| 02:45.44 | orange_away | useful little trick, that |
| 02:46.05 | brlcad | they who what? |
| 02:46.16 | JeffM2501 | .bz is blocked from freenode |
| 02:46.24 | JeffM2501 | don't quit :) |
| 02:46.28 | JeffM2501 | try webchat |
| 02:46.30 | brlcad | heh |
| 02:46.35 | brlcad | hmm |
| 02:49.30 | brlcad | so it is |
| 02:49.38 | brlcad | i bet it's specifically because of cgi:irc |
| 02:50.00 | JeffM2501 | probably |
| 02:50.57 | JeffM2501 | I wonder why my regular IP at work is blocked, but the server isn't |
| 02:51.02 | JeffM2501 | they are like 3 numbers apart |
| 02:53.07 | brlcad | providing ident did nothing |
| 02:53.55 | brlcad | JeffM2501: d of course |
| 02:54.16 | brlcad | maybe with default "profiles" for the other main styles |
| 02:55.44 | JeffM2501 | maybe I am evil |
| 03:02.15 | JeffM2501 | now this is funny |
| 03:02.19 | JeffM2501 | http://www.partiallyclips.com/index.php?id=1415 |
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| 03:07.47 | blast007 | JeffM2501: heh, yeah :) |
| 03:08.15 | JeffM2501 | as well as |
| 03:08.17 | JeffM2501 | http://www.partiallyclips.com/index.php?id=1410 |
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| 03:26.25 | brlcad | that's good stuff |
| 03:28.48 | JeffM2501 | http://www.partiallyclips.com/index.php?id=1343 |
| 03:38.22 | Aribeth | thats funny |
| 03:39.06 | JeffM2501 | http://www.partiallyclips.com/index.php?id=1316 |
| 03:41.07 | Aribeth | lol |
| 03:43.06 | JeffM2501 | http://www.partiallyclips.com/index.php?id=1303 |
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| 04:29.44 | Nidhoggr | whee! |
| 04:36.19 | menotume | Nidhoggr: enjoy ! |
| 04:36.27 | menotume | hope it's somewhere nice |
| 04:36.38 | Nidhoggr | thanks. I always look forward to my annual retreat. |
| 04:36.49 | Nidhoggr | at a retreat center in the Arizona mountains. |
| 04:36.55 | menotume | ahhh |
| 04:36.55 | Nidhoggr | lots of wildlife around. |
| 04:37.04 | menotume | sounds great |
| 04:37.23 | Nidhoggr | nice |
| 04:37.32 | Nidhoggr | I still do some nature photography. |
| 04:37.36 | menotume | cool |
| 04:37.43 | menotume | http://m-a-t.com/photgall |
| 04:37.59 | menotume | it's been about 5 years since i updated it though :) |
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| 04:38.25 | Nidhoggr | www.secretplace.us for my stuff. |
| 04:38.59 | Nidhoggr | oooh. I love herons |
| 04:39.08 | menotume | nice |
| 04:39.13 | Nidhoggr | oooh. and egrets |
| 04:39.17 | menotume | ya, birds are my fav |
| 04:40.18 | menotume | they can be challenging in the wild :) |
| 04:40.40 | Nidhoggr | definitely. |
| 04:41.52 | menotume | some nice shots there @ the Phoenix Zoo |
| 04:41.55 | menotume | natuarl looking |
| 04:42.04 | Nidhoggr | thanks. |
| 04:42.10 | Nidhoggr | hard to get natural shots at the zoo :) |
| 04:42.17 | menotume | ya :) |
| 04:42.24 | Nidhoggr | my favorites are at the botanical garden |
| 04:43.11 | menotume | look like a humminbird there in the tree (#10,11) |
| 04:43.14 | Nidhoggr | I love dragonflies, too. |
| 04:43.39 | Nidhoggr | nod. I have some newer hummingbird photos but haven't had time to put them in the gallery yet |
| 04:43.50 | menotume | nice |
| 04:44.00 | menotume | we only have one variety here - ruby-throat |
| 04:44.13 | menotume | that's all (east of the Mississippi) |
| 04:44.17 | Nidhoggr | we have about a dozen varieties. |
| 04:44.21 | menotume | yep |
| 04:44.52 | menotume | i will get back into it again when i get a good digital camera that will use my existing lenes (Canon) |
| 04:45.50 | Nidhoggr | yeah.. I have an eos 10d |
| 04:45.50 | Nidhoggr | kinda nice. |
| 04:45.50 | menotume | kewl |
| 04:48.00 | menotume | my only hummer shot (on the web): http://m-a-t.com/photgall/images/d36514@1024.jpg |
| 04:48.06 | orange_away | menotume: if you have no use for those lenses just send them my way |
| 04:48.12 | menotume | hehe |
| 04:48.18 | menotume | nope, i'm a keeping them |
| 04:48.26 | menotume | wish i had a 400 f/2.8 :) |
| 04:48.39 | orange_away | yeahhhhhh, big bucks |
| 04:48.47 | menotume | glass for wildlife photography gets just a tad expensive |
| 04:48.53 | menotume | $5k + |
| 04:49.05 | orange_away | otherwise known as "a decent used car" |
| 04:49.11 | menotume | yep :) |
| 04:49.20 | menotume | the long good lens i have is 200mm |
| 04:49.24 | menotume | longest |
| 04:49.54 | menotume | ya, me too - fixed 2.8 thru the range |
| 04:50.00 | orange_away | nice |
| 04:50.04 | menotume | but, i prefer the fixed fl 200 |
| 04:50.16 | orange_away | fixed isn't good for many things |
| 04:50.22 | menotume | puh |
| 04:50.35 | menotume | yes it is, you just need to spend time on the shots :) |
| 04:50.43 | orange_away | try and shoot a kids soccer game with a fixed 200mm lens |
| 04:50.49 | menotume | well, ya |
| 04:51.04 | Aribeth | it all depends on what your shooting |
| 04:51.18 | orange_away | hmmm I can see where what I said could be misconstrued |
| 04:51.24 | orange_away | it is good for many things |
| 04:51.29 | orange_away | and there are also many things for which it is not good |
| 04:51.33 | menotume | i love the 200 for close-ups |
| 04:51.42 | Nidhoggr | my budget doesn't really have room for fixed lenses, unfortunately. |
| 04:51.45 | menotume | all my butterflies / dragon flies were shot with it |
| 04:51.59 | menotume | mine doesn't either now, but it used to :) |
| 04:52.04 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 04:52.15 | orange_away | whoa, meno... nice hummingbird shot |
| 04:52.20 | Nidhoggr | I have a 28-200 and a 70-300 |
| 04:52.22 | menotume | thx |
| 04:52.38 | menotume | whoa, 70-300 |
| 04:52.43 | menotume | quite a range |
| 04:52.56 | orange_away | Nidhoggr: what brand 28-200? |
| 04:52.57 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 04:53.00 | Nidhoggr | canon |
| 04:53.27 | Nidhoggr | I mostly use the 28-200 |
| 04:53.27 | menotume | the humeer was the 200 also |
| 04:53.40 | Aribeth | i have a 75-300 f4 |
| 04:53.51 | Aribeth | with a 1.5 times doubler |
| 04:53.52 | Nidhoggr | I should make another gallery with my new hummingbird pictures. |
| 04:54.17 | menotume | and bears from the mountains next week :) |
| 04:54.23 | Nidhoggr | well, the eos 10D automatically does 1.6x, so the lenses are never what they say anyway. |
| 04:54.32 | Nidhoggr | since the ccd isn't a true 35mm |
| 04:54.36 | menotume | right |
| 04:54.43 | orange_away | I picked up a used 28-200... but it's a tokina... couldn't afford the canon glass at the time |
| 04:54.50 | Nidhoggr | aaah |
| 04:54.55 | Nidhoggr | at the time I had the cash |
| 04:54.58 | Nidhoggr | thank goodness. |
| 04:55.01 | orange_away | still, it does quite well |
| 04:55.02 | menotume | tokina makes some nice ones |
| 04:55.07 | menotume | some cheap ones too :) |
| 04:55.10 | orange_away | but the variable aperture is annoying |
| 04:55.11 | Nidhoggr | I originally ordered a sigma, and it arrived broken |
| 04:55.16 | Aribeth | all my camera stuff is nikon |
| 04:55.25 | Nidhoggr | so I returned it and spent the extra cash on a canon. |
| 04:55.29 | menotume | i got an F2 for sale :) |
| 04:55.34 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 04:55.41 | menotume | circa 1975 |
| 04:55.46 | Nidhoggr | lol |
| 04:56.09 | Aribeth | i have an N90S |
| 04:57.03 | menotume | egads, 1am |
| 04:57.10 | orange | ah yes, mine is 24-200 |
| 04:57.12 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 04:57.12 | menotume | time to call it a night |
| 04:57.17 | Aribeth | wish i had a D100 body though |
| 04:57.20 | Nidhoggr | good night menotume |
| 04:57.20 | orange | I had to go look :-) |
| 04:57.24 | Nidhoggr | see ya after my retreat. :) |
| 04:57.25 | menotume | g'nite all |
| 04:57.26 | Aribeth | nite menotume |
| 04:57.29 | orange | cu meno |
| 04:57.32 | menotume | have a safe & fun trip |
| 04:57.35 | Nidhoggr | thank you |
| 04:58.25 | Nidhoggr | gas is above $3/gallon here. :( |
| 04:58.35 | Aribeth | eek |
| 04:58.57 | orange | Aribeth: outside of cumming, atlanta gas is now about $2.90 for regular unleaded |
| 04:59.11 | Aribeth | it sucks |
| 04:59.12 | orange | the oil companies continue to make record profits I guess |
| 04:59.17 | Aribeth | yep |
| 04:59.38 | orange | but of course there's no price fixing going on |
| 05:00.09 | Aribeth | oh no, there couldnt be any of that going on |
| 05:00.16 | Aribeth | ;) |
| 05:00.19 | JeffM2501 | http://www.partiallyclips.com/index.php?id=1025 |
| 05:00.24 | JeffM2501 | that one has a tank :) |
| 05:00.51 | orange | lol, that's for sportchick |
| 05:01.15 | Aribeth | hehe |
| 05:01.27 | SportChick | rpf; |
| 05:01.29 | SportChick | rofl |
| 05:01.47 | Aribeth | lol |
| 05:01.57 | L4m3r | hm... koolaid... |
| 05:02.26 | JeffM2501 | ahh so many funny ones I can't paste here |
| 05:02.30 | L4m3r | do they still sell the sugarless kind? |
| 05:05.24 | Nidhoggr | now to find a good map for secretplace when I bring it back online next week. |
| 05:05.41 | L4m3r | That's going to be tough :) |
| 05:05.43 | orange | not spiralzone? |
| 05:05.45 | Nidhoggr | nope |
| 05:06.00 | Nidhoggr | going to scrap spiralzone |
| 05:06.06 | Nidhoggr | time for something new and exciting. |
| 05:06.32 | L4m3r | tell me when it goes down, and I'll run the water CTF version full-time :P |
| 05:06.36 | orange | the 'gimmick' maps are cool for once or twice |
| 05:06.42 | Nidhoggr | it's down already. :) |
| 05:06.49 | L4m3r | oh it is? crap! |
| 05:06.59 | Nidhoggr | been down since yesterday. |
| 05:07.10 | L4m3r | mind PMing me the latest one? mine is based on an outdated version of the map |
| 05:07.24 | Nidhoggr | I don't really want a gimmick map. simple and fun is the goal. |
| 05:07.43 | Nidhoggr | send me an email, and I'll email it when i am back from retreat. |
| 05:07.48 | Nidhoggr | mandrake@dragon.org |
| 05:07.56 | L4m3r | ok, thx :) |
| 05:07.59 | Nidhoggr | since I don't have it on this box. |
| 05:08.06 | L4m3r | yeah, no hurry. |
| 05:08.08 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 05:08.22 | L4m3r | I might do a 4-team CTF "rotation league" |
| 05:08.24 | orange | the most popular maps are always so amazingly simple... it's interesting |
| 05:08.31 | L4m3r | and if I do, that'll be one of the maps :) |
| 05:08.42 | Nidhoggr | I really love... what was it called..... |
| 05:08.51 | Nidhoggr | it had a big building in the middle... |
| 05:08.57 | L4m3r | mad city? |
| 05:09.01 | Nidhoggr | no... |
| 05:09.05 | Nidhoggr | let me see if I can find it. |
| 05:09.08 | Nidhoggr | it was REALLY old. |
| 05:09.58 | Nidhoggr | megadome |
| 05:10.17 | Nidhoggr | made by Dutchrai! |
| 05:10.24 | Nidhoggr | now that IS old. |
| 05:12.12 | SportChick | I miss razzberry world |
| 05:13.02 | L4m3r | sleepycows with that cool rabbit hunt map? |
| 05:13.10 | Aribeth | yep |
| 05:13.34 | L4m3r | Want it hosted? :P |
| 05:13.52 | Aribeth | norang is hosting giza |
| 05:13.53 | SportChick | oooooooooooooooo temple of ire!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 05:13.58 | SportChick | please?!!! |
| 05:14.30 | L4m3r | I can take 30+ players in a single game, and if it does become a problem I'll just ask QB to host it, since his pipe is 3x faster ;) |
| 05:15.09 | Aribeth | let me think on it |
| 05:15.41 | L4m3r | ok. if you want to do it just send any necessary files my way and I'll put it up |
| 05:15.52 | Aribeth | ok |
| 05:15.58 | L4m3r | you've still got groups right? |
| 05:16.13 | Aribeth | i guess |
| 05:16.51 | Aribeth | i had a dedicated server i was using |
| 05:17.07 | L4m3r | what happened? |
| 05:17.11 | Aribeth | cost |
| 05:17.15 | Aribeth | no job |
| 05:17.15 | L4m3r | :\ |
| 05:17.40 | L4m3r | well, it was a fun game. I'd love to have it back up. |
| 05:17.59 | Aribeth | me too...thinking on what to do |
| 05:18.17 | L4m3r | rabbit hunt games are really lacking these days :\ |
| 05:18.30 | Aribeth | ahh |
| 05:18.55 | Aribeth | i also had pillars of bz set up as rabbit hunt |
| 05:19.07 | Aribeth | it was popular for a long time |
| 05:19.13 | L4m3r | pillars of bz? don't think I had played that one |
| 05:19.26 | L4m3r | but I can take both if you like :P |
| 05:19.30 | Aribeth | its an old map by sid6.7 |
| 05:24.20 | SportChick | iggyworld! |
| 05:24.31 | SportChick | I loved that little trick with narrow |
| 05:24.32 | Aribeth | ziggyworld |
| 05:24.36 | SportChick | yeah, missed the z |
| 05:24.53 | Aribeth | i put that in for fun |
| 05:26.49 | Nidhoggr | it'd be cool if we could find a way to play a map for an hour, then restart with new map. people could go to web page and upload a map and have it play for an hour |
| 05:27.14 | SportChick | Nidhoggr: for a while, silvercat ran a map - a wiki map |
| 05:27.16 | L4m3r | it would be doable, but moderation would be tricky. |
| 05:27.22 | SportChick | anyone could go in and modify it |
| 05:27.31 | SportChick | and it was set on a timer, so next time it loaded something else |
| 05:27.32 | Nidhoggr | oh, cool |
| 05:27.39 | L4m3r | Unfortunately the discontinuity of map rotation makes people leave, I've found |
| 05:27.40 | SportChick | talk to orange or silverfox or meno |
| 05:27.51 | Nidhoggr | yeah... moderation is the tough part. |
| 05:28.28 | L4m3r | Perhaps you could kick off "the new secretplace" with a mapping contest? |
| 05:28.38 | Nidhoggr | I was considering it. |
| 05:28.58 | L4m3r | make it user-judged and all the jazz |
| 05:29.19 | Nidhoggr | good idea. |
| 05:29.56 | L4m3r | I mean, mapping contests draw a lot of competitors, but I can only imagine what could happen if the prize was "this will be the new secreplace map" :P |
| 05:31.44 | Aribeth | the last time my maps were in a contest the lame maps won |
| 05:31.53 | L4m3r | heh |
| 05:32.09 | L4m3r | map popularity is a crap shoot. |
| 05:32.16 | Nidhoggr | depending on how things go, there might be a cash prize, too. |
| 05:32.33 | Aribeth | the winning map was just a random colage of blocks |
| 05:32.41 | L4m3r | I've seen a lot of great maps go stagnant, and a lot of stupid maps that are somehow popular |
| 05:33.05 | Aribeth | thats why i dont make maps any more |
| 05:33.11 | L4m3r | for instance, I see no one playing Spazzy McGee's first and second place BZOgami maps. |
| 05:33.36 | Nidhoggr | we could play the braille map from last year's april fools :) |
| 05:33.43 | L4m3r | lol |
| 05:33.53 | Aribeth | hehe |
| 05:34.04 | Nidhoggr | it was a map with buildings that were in the shape of "april fools" written in braille. |
| 05:34.17 | Aribeth | i loved it |
| 05:34.19 | L4m3r | no one came for our april fools prank this year |
| 05:34.25 | Nidhoggr | aaaw |
| 05:34.44 | Nidhoggr | I want to do a basement map rabbit game again. |
| 05:34.46 | L4m3r | we made a mock-up of the standard mofo map that's like "tiny huge land" in Super Mario 64 |
| 05:34.53 | Nidhoggr | lol |
| 05:35.01 | L4m3r | start in a 1.5 scale map |
| 05:35.11 | L4m3r | go through a teleporter and you're in a 2/3 scale map |
| 05:35.28 | Nidhoggr | rabbit maps are so fun |
| 05:35.46 | L4m3r | yeah, they're a great excuse for well-made, complex maps |
| 05:35.51 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 05:35.56 | Nidhoggr | basement is great for rabbit |
| 05:35.57 | L4m3r | that FFA doesn't seem to favor |
| 05:36.06 | Aribeth | temple of ire had sentinals in it |
| 05:36.42 | Aribeth | a sentinal would fire phased bullets at a st tank if it was a rabbit and hiding in certain areas |
| 05:37.00 | L4m3r | was that a BZFS mod? |
| 05:37.24 | Aribeth | yes it was...derived from a old patch trepan had made |
| 05:37.54 | L4m3r | if we can find it, I could probably do it... or we can find another solution, maybe |
| 05:38.42 | Aribeth | i moded the patch for rabbit mode |
| 05:38.52 | L4m3r | Keep a stealthed rabbit on the move, or drop his flag >:D |
| 05:38.59 | Aribeth | it was trepan's smart world weapons patch |
| 05:39.01 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 05:39.19 | Nidhoggr | finding stealth rabbit on basement was really tough. |
| 05:39.32 | trepan | Aribeth: don't think you ever had the 'smart' one :) |
| 05:39.36 | L4m3r | oh, or I could just periodically zap and re-give the flag |
| 05:39.58 | L4m3r | you know, like in hide and seek when the seeker is completely stumped, you shout hints :) |
| 05:40.03 | Aribeth | i still have the patch |
| 05:40.31 | L4m3r | well, it'll probably still work |
| 05:40.41 | Aribeth | the world weapons that followed you when you went inside the sphere |
| 05:40.48 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 05:41.02 | Nidhoggr | I think I want a much simpler map for secretplace this time. |
| 05:41.15 | L4m3r | I'll look at it and maybe adapt it to a plug-in instead |
| 05:41.17 | Nidhoggr | spiralzone was just to huge and busy. |
| 05:41.34 | L4m3r | I liked it huge and busy :) |
| 05:41.57 | Nidhoggr | while it was fun, it was hard on some people's video cards. |
| 05:42.06 | Nidhoggr | I love razzberry world though. |
| 05:42.11 | trepan | Aribeth: your version had simple linear extrapolation, iirc |
| 05:42.11 | L4m3r | altho, I guess it could be considered a little over the top in some of the newer versions |
| 05:42.17 | Aribeth | ahhh |
| 05:42.35 | L4m3r | well, it didn't matter much |
| 05:44.15 | L4m3r | maybe an airborne shockwave... over the rabbit... sorta like sonar, pulsing |
| 05:45.37 | Nidhoggr | when I play rabbit games, I stash flags in specific places so I can get them when I'm rabbit. |
| 05:45.37 | L4m3r | I dunno, I still like the periodic flag drop :P |
| 05:45.46 | trepan | shot lived PZ shots might be less obstrusive then SW |
| 05:46.07 | L4m3r | well, they'd be airborne and out of the way... visible on radar |
| 05:46.14 | Nidhoggr | okie. I'm off for the night/weekend. back tuesday. later all. |
| 05:46.19 | L4m3r | cya |
| 05:46.22 | Nidhoggr | & |
| 05:46.23 | Aribeth | cya |
| 05:46.25 | L4m3r | happy map hunting :) |
| 05:47.17 | L4m3r | but if the patch works, that's cool. I should probably learn how to get multiple BZFS's anyhow |
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| 05:47.37 | L4m3r | I can't really run a normal CTF game right now because BZFS is modded for Steal the Bacon |
| 05:48.06 | Aribeth | i had multi bzfs's all scripted |
| 05:48.28 | L4m3r | my server is a mess. I'm going to try and clean it up relatively soon. |
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| 05:49.07 | Aribeth | each map had its own startup and config files |
| 05:49.19 | L4m3r | oh yeah, that's normal |
| 05:49.35 | Aribeth | had log rotation and all |
| 05:49.38 | L4m3r | I just have all my files and stuff lumped together in a pile, I need to sort everything out |
| 05:49.45 | L4m3r | wow, intricate. |
| 05:49.58 | L4m3r | logging I haven't quite gotten to yet. |
| 05:50.12 | Aribeth | i had it all tweaked |
| 05:50.18 | L4m3r | oddly, BZFS seems to be the only thing that runs flawlessly on the box. |
| 05:50.26 | L4m3r | client lasts a few seconds and dies |
| 05:50.33 | L4m3r | even bzadmin segfaults sometimes |
| 05:50.44 | Aribeth | wow |
| 05:50.48 | L4m3r | I know |
| 05:51.09 | Aribeth | i had a dedicated server on a 100mb pipe |
| 05:51.13 | L4m3r | altho everything has been much better since I made some cooling changes and got a new PSU from H0ley |
| 05:51.31 | L4m3r | that's what QB has |
| 05:51.42 | L4m3r | mine is 30/15, but even that is quite a bit |
| 05:52.05 | L4m3r | QB had 10 originally and still hosted a bunch of simultaneous games |
| 05:52.07 | Aribeth | i had 1tb per month too |
| 05:52.11 | L4m3r | wow |
| 05:52.29 | Aribeth | had freebsd on it |
| 05:52.44 | L4m3r | I have "until the university gets pissed" GB/month :P |
| 05:53.11 | Aribeth | ahh |
| 05:53.13 | L4m3r | and given that this has been going since december or so and they haven't cared, I don't think that will be an issue |
| 05:53.27 | Aribeth | cool |
| 05:53.39 | L4m3r | I use opensuse... meh, it gets the job done |
| 05:53.52 | Aribeth | i use gentoo |
| 05:53.56 | L4m3r | makes everything simple enough for me |
| 05:54.05 | L4m3r | I'm still a windows user primarily |
| 05:54.07 | Aribeth | i hate RPM |
| 05:54.26 | Aribeth | i never...well, hardl ever use windows |
| 05:54.58 | L4m3r | it's annoying but school requires it, basically |
| 05:55.05 | Aribeth | ahh |
| 05:55.24 | L4m3r | There's no Linux version of VS.NET :\ |
| 05:55.33 | Aribeth | eek |
| 05:55.43 | Aribeth | i would end up puking |
| 05:55.47 | L4m3r | lol |
| 05:55.56 | L4m3r | it's not that bad, but then I haven't tried emacs |
| 05:56.10 | Aribeth | i've been using unix since 1982 |
| 05:56.16 | L4m3r | wow |
| 05:57.28 | Aribeth | only time i shut down my computer was to de-dust it the other day |
| 05:58.02 | L4m3r | last time I did that to my server the heatsink was so bad I had to rinse it out |
| 05:58.37 | Aribeth | i have an air compresor |
| 05:58.55 | L4m3r | I have a dorm room ;) |
| 05:59.10 | L4m3r | I need to get some canned air here soon... lol |
| 05:59.29 | Aribeth | make sure to use that stuff outside |
| 05:59.41 | Aribeth | its rather dangerous to brreath |
| 05:59.45 | L4m3r | heh |
| 06:00.57 | Aribeth | :) |
| 06:01.41 | L4m3r | The only thing that will stop me from using a given tool in here is the possibility of setting off the fire alarm |
| 06:01.55 | L4m3r | since you can do it by burning popcorn |
| 06:02.13 | Aribeth | heh |
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| 06:43.57 | SportChick | Nidhoggr: I LOVED the braille map! |
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| 08:35.33 | Deepa | hey cmon! |
| 08:35.39 | Deepa | i dont mind being kicked when im online |
| 08:35.46 | Deepa | but being kicked while im afk is... backstabbing :< |
| 09:14.25 | _Manu_ | being kicked? |
| 09:15.20 | _Manu_ | probably because teamkilling |
| 12:03.58 | blast007 | http://cellar.org/showthread.php?t=10491 |
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| 13:32.08 | brlcad | Deepa: are you here? :) |
| 13:32.26 | _Manu_ | good morning brlcad :) |
| 13:32.38 | brlcad | howdy _Manu_! |
| 13:33.10 | _Manu_ | brlcad, :) it's 15:33 here |
| 13:33.18 | brlcad | i already know that now :) |
| 13:33.30 | _Manu_ | yes, I have seen your CTCP TIME :) |
| 13:34.23 | _Manu_ | yes, I was right, a diff of 6 hours |
| 13:43.05 | brlcad | fyi, everyone with accounts on .bz -- you now have sudo access to restart the webserver and mysql as needed |
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| 15:38.25 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10db/bzfman.cgi: |
| 15:38.25 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: update script to utilize either a locally installed manpage or pull the latest |
| 15:38.26 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: from CVS like we used to. preference is on the local as it's way faster (and |
| 15:38.26 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: man2html isn't working on CVS sourced one for some reason) though might want to |
| 15:38.26 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: offer up both as a latest stable/installed 'release' vs the 'development' |
| 15:38.28 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: version on HEAD |
| 15:38.47 | brlcad | http://my.bzflag.org/bzfman.cgi is working now |
| 15:57.49 | CBG | brlcad: thanks |
| 15:57.57 | trepan | http://my.bzflag.org/bzfman.cgi?bzw.5.in , "box object" section look odd to you? missing "pyramid object" section? |
| 15:58.50 | CBG | box is missing size and position :/ |
| 15:59.05 | CBG | But I would have thought everyone was using meshboxes now anyway? |
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| 16:27.35 | JeffM2501 | they STILL having problems with flooding? |
| 16:36.01 | Mr_Molez | ~bzflist |
| 16:37.29 | bryjen | forum's not loading either |
| 16:40.38 | blast007 | ~bzflist |
| 16:41.03 | blast007 | apache was using around 80% of the CPU |
| 16:41.08 | blast007 | restarting it helped |
| 16:42.13 | blast007 | forum still isn't loading for me though |
| 16:42.19 | bryjen | me neither |
| 16:42.36 | bryjen | ok, there is it |
| 16:44.25 | bryjen | quite slow now. was nice and snappy earlier |
| 16:44.44 | Mr_Molez | ~bzflist |
| 16:44.46 | blast007 | I'm just getting timeouts |
| 16:44.51 | JeffM2501 | does our web stuff have like something designed hoibly wrong? |
| 16:44.57 | JeffM2501 | why does it keep killing servers? |
| 16:45.13 | blast007 | I'm wondering if it's another DDoS |
| 16:45.22 | Mr_Molez | didnt it mess up at about the same time yesterday ? |
| 16:45.34 | JeffM2501 | well it'll restart on the 50 |
| 16:45.39 | JeffM2501 | but that takes allmost no time |
| 16:45.53 | JeffM2501 | it could be another DDoS |
| 16:45.57 | blast007 | JeffM2501: I restarted it manually, and it took less than a couple minutes to start acting up again |
| 16:46.56 | JeffM2501 | how many conections are open to it? |
| 16:46.57 | blast007 | how do I check? netstat? |
| 16:46.57 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 16:46.57 | JeffM2501 | sudo netstat -p |
| 16:46.57 | JeffM2501 | | more :) |
| 16:46.57 | JeffM2501 | or less |
| 16:47.17 | JeffM2501 | somone must realy want bzflag to die |
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| 16:47.40 | JeffM2501 | cus if this kinda crap keeps up nobody will want to host the public services |
| 16:47.54 | JeffM2501 | then it's back to a lan game |
| 16:48.02 | bryjen | brlcad was trying out mod_security mid-day yesterday, and it was a bit resource-hungy in its default config |
| 16:48.03 | JeffM2501 | or my IRC idea :) |
| 16:48.31 | bryjen | heh "hungy" |
| 16:48.41 | PuMpErNiCkLe | No chance you could get someone in a university to host? |
| 16:48.45 | JeffM2501 | dude you been hangin round me too much ;) |
| 16:48.54 | blast007 | I see a lot of connections in CLOSE_WAIT |
| 16:48.56 | JeffM2501 | PuMpErNiCkLe, why would that help? |
| 16:49.01 | JeffM2501 | it's not a bandwith issue |
| 16:49.07 | JeffM2501 | it's a CPU/conections issue |
| 16:49.11 | PuMpErNiCkLe | ah.. I misinterpreted, then |
| 16:49.13 | JeffM2501 | and people keep DOSing it |
| 16:49.20 | bryjen | hung-y is oddly appropriate for it's state |
| 16:49.27 | PuMpErNiCkLe | I just saw the 'DDoS' part. |
| 16:49.34 | Mr_Molez | i thought apache had dos protection ? |
| 16:49.41 | JeffM2501 | and if it's DDoSed non uni will want it ;) |
| 16:49.51 | PuMpErNiCkLe | That's why you don't tell them. :) |
| 16:49.54 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: I could start coding something for independent mirrors 18th next month but that will take a while to finish |
| 16:50.14 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, that would allways be apricated, we've talked about mirrors for a long time |
| 16:50.28 | JeffM2501 | my idea was to change the list and chat systems to be like IRC |
| 16:50.39 | JeffM2501 | where it's a distroed network |
| 16:50.40 | ToughShooter | It's just when I am finished with one task they(tm) come with the next :( |
| 16:50.45 | JeffM2501 | heh |
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| 16:59.54 | ToughShooter | nope |
| 17:00.08 | JeffM2501 | I don't forsee anon syncing for a month |
| 17:00.17 | ToughShooter | http://sourceforge.net/docs/A04/ |
| 17:02.26 | JeffM2501 | when it's got something unique I'll do a tarball of it |
| 17:02.34 | JeffM2501 | maybe even automate something |
| 17:02.47 | ToughShooter | devs should put sourcecode of current 2.0.7 online somewhere for the owners that upgraded :/ |
| 17:02.48 | JeffM2501 | if enough people want it |
| 17:02.59 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, we are doing 2.0.8 this weekend |
| 17:03.00 | JeffM2501 | aka tomorow |
| 17:03.26 | bryjen | Tupone: for multiple list/token servers, how about appending @token.server.foo to the token? would existing clients still get the numeric part and ignore the rest? |
| 17:03.44 | ToughShooter | Whatever, GU updated after spawning thing was fixed in CVS |
| 17:03.53 | bryjen | and if we let the client specify where the token came from, the bzfs would need a list of trusted token servers |
| 17:04.10 | Tupone | or giving the token a range |
| 17:04.31 | Tupone | so the most significant bits are the list server id |
| 17:04.46 | Tupone | if we have an id |
| 17:04.57 | bryjen | then there'd have to be a serverID->url table somewhere |
| 17:05.19 | JeffM2501 | and we'd have to update clients and servers every new server that was added |
| 17:05.23 | JeffM2501 | stuff could get outa sync |
| 17:05.32 | JeffM2501 | it could be bad |
| 17:05.41 | JeffM2501 | the @ idea with a list is bettter |
| 17:05.46 | Tupone | naha, list server could send along, I think server should have registration too |
| 17:05.48 | JeffM2501 | then others coudl use there own auth |
| 17:05.55 | bryjen | unless the table was hosted on a web server, but that single point of overload again |
| 17:06.44 | JeffM2501 | other option is to have tokens shared over list servers |
| 17:06.54 | bryjen | ah, the table pushed to all list servers in the replication, and the list server sends it to bzfs when bzfs is adding itself |
| 17:07.25 | JeffM2501 | the @ thing or the ID thing could have a problem if the client can get to the list they are using, but the server can't |
| 17:07.36 | JeffM2501 | best would be for all serves to have the same info |
| 17:08.00 | Tupone | I disagree on sharing the token between all list server |
| 17:08.18 | Tupone | in that case they should be hardly linkned |
| 17:08.37 | bryjen | multi-master replication. there'd be timing and traffic issues cause by all the servers trying to stay in-sync |
| 17:08.44 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 17:09.06 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, then you have problems when clients and servers can't get to the same ones |
| 17:09.15 | JeffM2501 | do you tell the client to get another token from another server? |
| 17:09.20 | Tupone | well, you are unlucky then |
| 17:09.23 | JeffM2501 | untill you hit one you both see? |
| 17:09.29 | ToughShooter | I think the servers should accept tokens from any trusted server, where all independent mirrors should have the list of trusted servers online |
| 17:09.38 | JeffM2501 | if your system involves "luck" then it's not very robutst :) |
| 17:09.48 | bryjen | it might negate the load-reduction of having clients spread across servers if all the server are constantly talking to each other to stay in sync |
| 17:09.58 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, the problem is how do you veryify a token? it's difrent every time |
| 17:10.05 | Tupone | why client should be able to access a listserver and server no? |
| 17:10.11 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, bad routes |
| 17:10.19 | Tupone | in that case you are unlucky |
| 17:10.29 | JeffM2501 | like I say, that's not very robutst |
| 17:10.35 | trepan | bryjen: checkout mysql clusters |
| 17:10.38 | Tupone | what happens now |
| 17:10.54 | Tupone | ? |
| 17:10.54 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: I think via appending a URL to the token.. |
| 17:11.02 | bryjen | trepan: clusters with machines not in the same physical location? across WAN links? |
| 17:11.14 | trepan | not like there's that much input data ;) |
| 17:11.40 | bryjen | eh, yeah, not tons of transactions/second |
| 17:11.40 | ToughShooter | If routing to one of the mirrors is bad, restart process with another mirror |
| 17:12.34 | trepan | it'd should wrap-up all of the fallback and sync'ing issues |
| 17:13.05 | Tupone | so you get to a listserver that is not reachable by a server, so that bzfs is not listed, and you try to get to it? good |
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| 17:17.20 | bryjen | the client could auto-retry using another token server if the bzfs rejects it |
| 17:17.40 | bryjen | oop, that's what ToughShooter said |
| 17:17.48 | ToughShooter | heh |
| 17:18.26 | Tupone | that case is very unlikely |
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| 17:22.17 | bryjen | the paths from client-lists, bzfs-lists, and listA-listB-listC, might all be different. if it can be handled reasonably, differing view of the network at various points shold be compensated for |
| 17:25.03 | JeffM2501 | ether that or make a totaly new list system for 2.2 that knows all about mirrors and stuff |
| 17:25.05 | bryjen | trepan has the best answer if it'll work Good Enough(tm) across the internet. don't re-invent the wheel |
| 17:25.06 | brlcad | trepan: yep, wierd/wrong |
| 17:25.18 | trepan | PKE could also be used to remove the syncs required for token-writes (diff token servers for client and bzfs server) =) |
| 17:25.27 | brlcad | thman2html getting something messed up apparently, *shrug* |
| 17:25.35 | JeffM2501 | bryjen, we are planing on using that mysql cluster stuff here at work, it looks very reasonable |
| 17:26.23 | trepan | also provides the ability to bypass the bzfs server to verify a player's id |
| 17:26.25 | bryjen | "clusters" often refers to machine sitting next to each other with a high-speed interconnect. that's where it threw me |
| 17:26.26 | brlcad | blast007/bryjen: i'd decreased the process count, so there was a bit of a delay -- just restored it back to a higher number so it just be more responsive again |
| 17:27.04 | JeffM2501 | ours awill be next to each other, but it's all just IP traftic.. |
| 17:27.31 | bryjen | where ours=work, JeffM2501 ? |
| 17:27.51 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 17:27.52 | JeffM2501 | sorry |
| 17:27.53 | trepan | JeffM2501: it's the cross-continent latency that might be the sticking point |
| 17:27.53 | ToughShooter | It should share only a reduced set of the database...something like this: http://pastebin.com/673646 |
| 17:28.14 | JeffM2501 | trepan, posibly, but as you said it's not a lot of trafic |
| 17:28.26 | JeffM2501 | just have to make sure that latency is shorter then the server join time. |
| 17:28.47 | trepan | if you're lucky... ;) |
| 17:28.54 | JeffM2501 | and maybe have the server try the token more then once if it comes back token not found or something |
| 17:28.58 | bryjen | there's that L word again |
| 17:29.09 | brlcad | problem with irc is a pretty heavy latency |
| 17:29.17 | JeffM2501 | or better to chose a list server near the game server |
| 17:29.25 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, and wordy |
| 17:29.31 | JeffM2501 | it would work but it'd not scale well |
| 17:29.34 | JeffM2501 | on the clients |
| 17:29.38 | JeffM2501 | the bots woudl get killed |
| 17:29.55 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, did you see my question with 3 options yesteday? |
| 17:30.08 | brlcad | yes, you apparently didn't see my 'd' last night ;) |
| 17:30.11 | bryjen | the client wouldn't know who's near the server... unless the server told it... and then the client needs a list of trusted token servers. |
| 17:30.22 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, I did not |
| 17:30.27 | JeffM2501 | what shoudl be the default then? |
| 17:30.46 | JeffM2501 | or a test one to start with at least |
| 17:30.50 | brlcad | 22:53 <@brlcad> JeffM2501: d of course |
| 17:30.50 | brlcad | 22:54 <@brlcad> maybe with default "profiles" for the other main styles |
| 17:30.59 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 17:31.01 | Tupone | I still prefer the anarcoid solution, maybe negotiate list server, if the provided list server is not reachable |
| 17:31.11 | brlcad | but d is the most flexible |
| 17:31.15 | brlcad | it encompasses all of them |
| 17:31.19 | JeffM2501 | yeah I'm puting in the code for D |
| 17:31.21 | JeffM2501 | that's done |
| 17:31.21 | bryjen | ~dict anarcoid |
| 17:31.32 | Tupone | anarchic? |
| 17:31.33 | trepan | paranoid? |
| 17:31.35 | JeffM2501 | the server will just tell the client what it's stats are and if it's gonna blow |
| 17:31.47 | JeffM2501 | I think I'll do power and armor for a first test |
| 17:32.30 | bryjen | ~dict anarchic |
| 17:32.49 | brlcad | you go through shielding, then armor, then boom |
| 17:33.01 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 17:33.13 | JeffM2501 | the power that powers sheilds also powers shots |
| 17:33.17 | bryjen | ~dict 3 anarchic |
| 17:33.18 | JeffM2501 | shoot a lot, don't have much shields |
| 17:33.23 | Tupone | lol |
| 17:34.29 | JeffM2501 | ooo black-market list server |
| 17:34.30 | Tupone | what I mean, list servers are lously linked, and anyone can do authentication, without passing info to other |
| 17:34.42 | JeffM2501 | "psstt.. you wana buy a token?" |
| 17:34.56 | brlcad | Tupone: yeah, I wouldn't call that anarchy ;) |
| 17:35.23 | bryjen | perhaps the client and server need to send each other their lists of trusted token servers and pick one in common |
| 17:35.48 | Tupone | well, I'd send that with the first token, in case it does not work |
| 17:36.48 | JeffM2501 | why? the odds of the first token working is 1 in N |
| 17:37.02 | JeffM2501 | how many serves you looking at having? |
| 17:37.10 | Tupone | all ls should be reachable from both side |
| 17:37.28 | JeffM2501 | ahh and you send the URL with the token? |
| 17:37.36 | JeffM2501 | or some server ID |
| 17:37.45 | Tupone | at least from bzfs, as it has to update the player count |
| 17:38.04 | JeffM2501 | so when the client has to list, it has to hit all lists? |
| 17:38.10 | JeffM2501 | and combine them together? |
| 17:38.16 | Tupone | :) naha |
| 17:38.45 | Tupone | it send a token, with the list server from what he get that |
| 17:38.53 | JeffM2501 | I mean before the token |
| 17:38.57 | *** join/#bzflag BinarySpike (n=BinarySp@206-113-016-081.plateautel.net) |
| 17:39.21 | Tupone | he contact a list server from a round robin dns |
| 17:39.49 | JeffM2501 | but does the bzfs tell all list servers of it's player counts? |
| 17:39.59 | Tupone | yeah :( it should |
| 17:40.17 | JeffM2501 | your just puting the onus on the game server for syncing them, rather then the list servers |
| 17:40.26 | Tupone | or it should say to one ls and this talks to others |
| 17:40.42 | Tupone | player count is not so critic |
| 17:40.45 | JeffM2501 | that's what we were saying, link the servers to share data |
| 17:41.24 | Tupone | maybe we can remove the player count from the list server |
| 17:41.30 | BinarySpike | if I tell bzflag to use a different list server will that become permanent until somebody changes it? (in the config) |
| 17:41.36 | JeffM2501 | have the game ping the server to get all the data |
| 17:41.55 | *** join/#bzflag QuantumBeep (n=QB@adsl-212-36-183.lft.bellsouth.net) |
| 17:42.01 | brlcad | what it would imply (and it's probably not a bad thing) is that all servers would have to be able to contact all the available dns listed servers (and that could probably be verified) |
| 17:42.08 | Tupone | but you should ask all game server, maybe is convenient |
| 17:42.16 | brlcad | clients would only need to be able to get to one of them |
| 17:42.18 | bryjen | BinarySpike: yes. it'll save one specified on the commandline in the config file |
| 17:42.25 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, that's not anarchy |
| 17:42.32 | JeffM2501 | that's the federal guberment |
| 17:42.57 | brlcad | and? :) |
| 17:42.58 | *** join/#bzflag Daler (n=Daler@willm.micgi.com) |
| 17:43.00 | JeffM2501 | then one server can vote to allow gay marage, and the otehrs can scoff |
| 17:43.01 | Tupone | JeffM2501: the player count is not a so critical data |
| 17:43.21 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, it isn't as long as your not woried about being compatable |
| 17:43.37 | bryjen | Tupone: i don't know about that. it's how many people pick a game server |
| 17:43.42 | Tupone | even if that is updated any 30 minutes, what changes? |
| 17:43.52 | brlcad | it's like embassy offices (list servers).. I can get a passport at any of them around the world -- if you want to verify my passport, you contact that embassy |
| 17:43.55 | trepan | Tupone: huh, player count should be listed, else you might have to join 160 servers ... |
| 17:44.01 | JeffM2501 | personaly I'm gonna see about taking playground to a full blown 1984 style locked down utopia :) |
| 17:44.27 | brlcad | my passport is still "global" in the sense that if verified, it's verified.. |
| 17:44.28 | JeffM2501 | login before you patch and list :) |
| 17:44.55 | trepan | along these lines, should also do client-server ping times for servers currently being listed by the client... |
| 17:45.07 | BinarySpike | is the list server blocked to stop brute-force password cracking? |
| 17:45.07 | JeffM2501 | pings would be a big help |
| 17:45.23 | JeffM2501 | BinarySpike, look and see |
| 17:45.25 | trepan | and possibly keep the server IPs on the list server to avoid DNS lookups |
| 17:45.40 | JeffM2501 | trepan, dosn't it do that now? |
| 17:46.07 | JeffM2501 | yeah all the IPs are listed |
| 17:46.16 | trepan | afaik, it's all DNS right now |
| 17:46.24 | JeffM2501 | the IP info is in the list |
| 17:46.27 | JeffM2501 | maybe it's not used |
| 17:46.29 | JeffM2501 | but it's there |
| 17:46.38 | JeffM2501 | do a manual list |
| 17:46.46 | JeffM2501 | ti's right before the description |
| 17:46.53 | trepan | ah, missed it then, good that it's there |
| 17:46.54 | brlcad | dns->ip isn't necessarily bidirectional |
| 17:47.01 | trepan | (shoulda remembered the -i bzfs option...) |
| 17:47.08 | *** join/#bzflag amcnabb (n=amcnabb@c-67-169-251-185.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 17:47.45 | brlcad | list server could report both, though, just to safe some time |
| 17:48.19 | BinarySpike | Whoa! does -pidfile write the pid into a file?!? |
| 17:48.26 | brlcad | imagine that |
| 17:48.28 | BinarySpike | so no grepping?! weeee |
| 17:48.58 | BinarySpike | dang this is getting easy |
| 17:49.26 | JeffM2501 | BinarySpike, we are not your grep |
| 17:49.44 | BinarySpike | ??? no I was gonna have to grep output so I could get the PID |
| 17:49.58 | JeffM2501 | whatever |
| 17:50.23 | JeffM2501 | since we don't know what you are talking about, or involved in your 1 sided conversion of it, I don't think we care much |
| 17:51.49 | BinarySpike | I'm building a control panel that configures, starts, and ends files... also allows you to upload custom files so you can include any password, group, user files... and doesn't need updating in that respect |
| 17:52.02 | BinarySpike | configures, starts and ends bzfs servers* |
| 17:52.24 | BinarySpike | ps to see if the server is running, and kill to end it |
| 17:52.35 | JeffM2501 | so nix only |
| 17:52.40 | JeffM2501 | probalby mac only |
| 17:52.50 | BinarySpike | um... why mac only? |
| 17:53.08 | ToughShooter | BinarySpike: If your stuff is too easy, here is a little task: Implement the Ackermann-function (def Rózsa Péter) in a while-program :p |
| 17:53.24 | JeffM2501 | BinarySpike, cus you always do mac only ;) |
| 17:53.29 | BinarySpike | but this is PHP |
| 17:53.45 | JeffM2501 | ok so your going to be mac, and maybe nix then |
| 17:54.22 | BinarySpike | So? most servers are run from linux... (the one's that aren't home based) |
| 17:54.33 | JeffM2501 | I'm just sayin |
| 17:54.35 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 17:54.45 | JeffM2501 | you may want to test it on linux before you are done |
| 17:54.57 | BinarySpike | Actually it's going on a linux computer the moment it's done |
| 17:54.58 | JeffM2501 | incase any apple verisons of the commands are difrent |
| 17:55.02 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 17:55.22 | BinarySpike | the only difference I've seen between windows and nix are slashes / and \ and ls and dir |
| 17:55.32 | JeffM2501 | and the fact that windows dosn't have "ps" |
| 17:55.37 | JeffM2501 | or most of the comamnds your calling |
| 17:55.41 | BinarySpike | ps and kill |
| 17:55.44 | BinarySpike | and ./bzfs |
| 17:55.45 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 17:55.47 | JeffM2501 | don't exist |
| 17:56.09 | BinarySpike | then I put in the configure file the windows commands and see if the script is running on windows or nix |
| 17:56.32 | JeffM2501 | no.. windows just dosn't even have command line stuff to DO that |
| 17:56.41 | JeffM2501 | it's not just a difrent name |
| 17:56.48 | BinarySpike | it doesn't use PID's? |
| 17:56.52 | JeffM2501 | it does |
| 17:56.54 | JeffM2501 | but in a difrent way |
| 17:56.58 | BinarySpike | ah |
| 17:57.03 | JeffM2501 | to runs ervers and stuff your "suposed" to use services |
| 17:57.07 | JeffM2501 | not normal apps |
| 17:57.15 | JeffM2501 | and to kill an app you send it a window message |
| 17:57.24 | JeffM2501 | bzfs dosn't have a window |
| 17:57.36 | BinarySpike | so I would have to kill with /shutdownserver? |
| 17:57.48 | JeffM2501 | at would be one way |
| 17:58.00 | BinarySpike | I "could" use bzadmin |
| 17:58.15 | JeffM2501 | like I said that would be one way |
| 17:58.36 | JeffM2501 | or a plugin that can get the messages from ISS or apache |
| 17:58.47 | JeffM2501 | there are many ways |
| 17:58.51 | BinarySpike | yeah |
| 17:58.52 | JeffM2501 | but it's not the same as on nix |
| 17:59.03 | JeffM2501 | may be able to use the net command |
| 17:59.10 | JeffM2501 | if RPC is enbled |
| 17:59.35 | BinarySpike | I'm programming this for A Meteorite so he lets me use a few servers for my contest... |
| 17:59.38 | JeffM2501 | but if you have more then one instance it won't be fun |
| 17:59.42 | BinarySpike | and his server is linux |
| 17:59.44 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 17:59.52 | JeffM2501 | well have fun then :) |
| 17:59.55 | BinarySpike | :) |
| 17:59.59 | JeffM2501 | what are your prizes? |
| 18:00.10 | gsnedders | how are you meant to contact a server owner when the /report command is disabled... |
| 18:00.20 | BinarySpike | gsnedders, PM the owner |
| 18:00.25 | JeffM2501 | gsnedders, your not |
| 18:00.37 | BinarySpike | if it's bz.bpa.nu then just contact me |
| 18:00.37 | JeffM2501 | you can decuce the owner and PM as binary said |
| 18:00.39 | gsnedders | BinarySpike: but when you don't know who the owner is |
| 18:00.50 | JeffM2501 | gsnedders, when report isn't active it's like your a lan server |
| 18:00.50 | BinarySpike | then find out who the owner is |
| 18:01.04 | JeffM2501 | we don't provide ways to allways contact admins |
| 18:01.16 | JeffM2501 | I belive the term is "SOL" |
| 18:01.21 | gsnedders | SOL? |
| 18:01.24 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 18:01.29 | JeffM2501 | S.O.L |
| 18:01.32 | gsnedders | what does that mean? :P |
| 18:01.50 | brlcad | :) |
| 18:01.56 | JeffM2501 | umm "stuff" outa luck |
| 18:01.59 | BinarySpike | Jeff, I have three ppl that are gonna sponser prizes and I'm gonna sponser a $20-$30 prize... like a wrist watch or something |
| 18:02.00 | JeffM2501 | or satalite of love :) |
| 18:02.09 | brlcad | somewhere on leave |
| 18:02.10 | gsnedders | mm... why does bzbb.bzflag.org now take you to stats.bzflag? |
| 18:02.12 | BinarySpike | plus all the other ppl I can blackmail |
| 18:02.14 | JeffM2501 | BinarySpike, fun |
| 18:02.29 | JeffM2501 | gsnedders, cus it's not set up right |
| 18:02.37 | JeffM2501 | and your suposed to be using my.bzflag.org/bb/ |
| 18:03.08 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, on that note, bzbb.bzflag.org isn't set up right :) |
| 18:03.12 | JeffM2501 | it needs to go to /bb/ |
| 18:03.16 | JeffM2501 | to be like the old one |
| 18:04.04 | Mr_Molez | JeffM2501: did you see my rambling about the record bug ? |
| 18:04.09 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 18:04.15 | JeffM2501 | what "bug" |
| 18:04.19 | Mr_Molez | it might just have been a one off |
| 18:04.20 | gsnedders | anyhow, anyone know who the admin of 193.226.119.196:5154 (DFX SERVER) is? |
| 18:04.27 | blast007 | windows doesn't have 'ps' or 'kill', but it has 'tasklist' and 'taskkill' |
| 18:04.27 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 18:04.35 | blast007 | at least XP has them |
| 18:04.57 | BinarySpike | thanks blast |
| 18:04.59 | BinarySpike | I don |
| 18:05.05 | BinarySpike | I don't have windows so I can't test it :( |
| 18:05.15 | Mr_Molez | a few of us went to my server to play a fun match.. and countdown couldnt be started. it said countdown in progress.. gameover didnt work . i looked at what has been recorded and it showed a messed up record file |
| 18:05.30 | JeffM2501 | Mr_Molez, dono man |
| 18:05.35 | JeffM2501 | what server version? |
| 18:05.40 | Mr_Molez | ill just count it as a one off :) |
| 18:05.42 | Mr_Molez | 2/0.7 |
| 18:05.46 | JeffM2501 | it worked for me |
| 18:05.51 | JeffM2501 | maybe it wasnt configed right |
| 18:05.59 | JeffM2501 | cus I didn't change any of the countdown code |
| 18:06.02 | JeffM2501 | at all |
| 18:06.05 | Mr_Molez | i reset the server and everything worked fine again |
| 18:06.11 | JeffM2501 | probalby wonkey config |
| 18:06.13 | JeffM2501 | or something |
| 18:06.18 | Mr_Molez | ok :) |
| 18:06.32 | BinarySpike | is there a bzfsAPI.h? |
| 18:06.38 | JeffM2501 | umm yeah |
| 18:07.00 | JeffM2501 | it's the main file used by plugins |
| 18:07.01 | BinarySpike | I swear... I downloaded bzflag source twice and was missing files... |
| 18:07.07 | JeffM2501 | sucks to be you then |
| 18:09.45 | gsnedders | for those wondering why I want to contact the admin: http://pastebin.com/673718 |
| 18:10.01 | brlcad | k |
| 18:10.31 | JeffM2501 | sounds like it's just a poorly admined server |
| 18:10.34 | JeffM2501 | play somewhere else |
| 18:11.32 | Mr_Molez | lol sounds like a nice guy :P |
| 18:11.35 | BinarySpike | hmm.... I can't seem to find a function that get's players names... in bzfsAPI |
| 18:11.43 | JeffM2501 | then you arn't looking hard enough |
| 18:11.47 | JeffM2501 | did you read the docs? |
| 18:12.03 | gsnedders | JeffM2501: I was trying to play on a busy server where I'm not a cop to avoid doing admin stuff. Maybe I just go back to doing admin stuff :P |
| 18:12.15 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 18:12.16 | BinarySpike | was the map Boxy War Map? |
| 18:12.30 | *** join/#bzflag Blue-Eyes (n=Blue@host103-217.pool874.interbusiness.it) |
| 18:12.31 | BinarySpike | cause I had a ton of trouble with ppl like that lately there... and I can't admin it all the time |
| 18:12.48 | gsnedders | it was a bzfs random map |
| 18:12.57 | gsnedders | 193.226.119.196:5154 (DFX SERVER), as I said |
| 18:13.12 | Mr_Molez | BinarySpike: gamekeeper ? |
| 18:13.19 | JeffM2501 | Mr_Molez, no |
| 18:13.28 | BinarySpike | It's a plugin, you can't access gamekeeper (at least not directly) |
| 18:13.34 | BinarySpike | brb |
| 18:13.39 | CBG | BinarySpike: I saw "Professor Chaos" at your map a day or two ago. He wasn't being so rude, but he was definitely getting on everyones nerves... |
| 18:14.13 | QuantumBeep | Yeah, I witnessed that. I think I'm about to go put him on some banlists. |
| 18:14.18 | JeffM2501 | BinarySpike, please stop wasting our time, and read the docs that you have, we are not here to do your project for you by answering you on every step |
| 18:15.31 | JeffM2501 | downloads even |
| 18:15.38 | JeffM2501 | cus I'd fail that stuff :) |
| 18:15.44 | brlcad | =) |
| 18:15.53 | bryjen | yeah, spelling test for CVS access too ;) |
| 18:15.54 | trepan | ~dict comptency |
| 18:16.08 | trepan | weak, but i couldn't resist |
| 18:16.10 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 18:16.24 | JeffM2501 | well then I'd have more time for other stuff |
| 18:17.57 | JeffM2501 | like making more people angry with changes :) |
| 18:18.13 | bryjen | how often are users with no posts (ie bot-spam accounts) purged from the bb? |
| 18:18.21 | JeffM2501 | every day |
| 18:18.26 | JeffM2501 | if they are over 4-5 days old |
| 18:18.32 | JeffM2501 | oh, probalby NEVER now |
| 18:18.39 | JeffM2501 | cus I don't think the cron was setup again :) |
| 18:18.46 | JeffM2501 | menotume, you around :) |
| 18:18.48 | Mr_Molez | JeffM2501: you know what will make everyone really angry ? making server side bots or bzadmin bots :) |
| 18:18.53 | bryjen | a bunch of DeD#### from "Mongolia" |
| 18:19.06 | JeffM2501 | Mr_Molez, server side bots are started |
| 18:19.15 | JeffM2501 | they will even spawn :) |
| 18:19.27 | JeffM2501 | but the server needs the full server side state before more can be done. |
| 18:19.46 | trepan | bryjen: heh, i also notice that Mad Mike is somewhat protective, all 6 of them |
| 18:19.49 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, was it activated? |
| 18:19.53 | bryjen | ack, with lovely associated web urls |
| 18:20.07 | CBG | server side bots would make a lotta people very happy (me included) - not angry. ;) |
| 18:20.16 | ToughShooter | Yes, it was, and I played with it 2 months ago |
| 18:20.18 | JeffM2501 | CBG, then I can never finish them |
| 18:20.20 | Mr_Molez | CBG: shhh dont tell jefff that |
| 18:20.35 | CBG | Oh, sorry, I meant ckient bots. |
| 18:20.40 | CBG | They make me so angry!! |
| 18:20.45 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, if the account has been activated it will never be purged |
| 18:20.51 | ToughShooter | ah |
| 18:20.57 | JeffM2501 | we only do ones that are not "activated" |
| 18:21.01 | trepan | removing bots from the player count would be good |
| 18:21.03 | JeffM2501 | that are over 4-5 days old |
| 18:21.21 | JeffM2501 | server side bots can talk too |
| 18:21.22 | JeffM2501 | they are funny |
| 18:21.27 | JeffM2501 | they curse a lot |
| 18:21.34 | JeffM2501 | something about a donkey show |
| 18:21.40 | CBG | Stop them, nobody wants stupid server side bots... :P |
| 18:21.57 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Tupone] by ChanServ |
| 18:22.06 | BinarySpike | So where are the docs on plugins? |
| 18:22.07 | Mr_Molez | yeh and umm removing bots from player count is the best idea ever |
| 18:22.15 | JeffM2501 | BinarySpike, take a guess |
| 18:22.31 | JeffM2501 | cus your question has all the info you need for the answer |
| 18:22.48 | BinarySpike | Albuquerque, Snorkle... See I can do it too |
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| 18:23.13 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, you up for a 2.0.8 this weekend? |
| 18:23.22 | *** mode/#bzflag [-o Tupone] by Tupone |
| 18:23.26 | Tupone | I sould |
| 18:23.28 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 18:23.30 | Tupone | should |
| 18:23.39 | brlcad | hmm |
| 18:23.40 | JeffM2501 | see ya all hang around me too much :) |
| 18:23.56 | Tupone | brlcad: sup? |
| 18:24.10 | brlcad | nada |
| 18:24.11 | Tupone | not good to host ? |
| 18:24.18 | brlcad | oh, no |
| 18:24.21 | brlcad | that's fine |
| 18:24.23 | trepan | 2.0.7, should be dated ;) |
| 18:24.25 | Tupone | ahh |
| 18:24.27 | brlcad | hmm'ing release this weekend |
| 18:24.35 | JeffM2501 | got more to do on it? |
| 18:24.39 | brlcad | nope |
| 18:24.49 | JeffM2501 | then we should be good to go right? |
| 18:24.53 | brlcad | should be fine |
| 18:24.57 | JeffM2501 | coo |
| 18:25.02 | brlcad | i won't be able to put a whole lot of time into it |
| 18:25.10 | JeffM2501 | well we can do our sides |
| 18:25.11 | brlcad | getting ready to head down to florida all next week |
| 18:25.17 | JeffM2501 | mac can hand behind a little |
| 18:25.25 | JeffM2501 | since they have .6 |
| 18:25.31 | JeffM2501 | and there arn't many mac servers |
| 18:25.34 | brlcad | yeah, the fix is mostly forthe servers |
| 18:25.41 | BinarySpike | I hate the new flags in .6 |
| 18:25.48 | brlcad | and they hate you |
| 18:25.54 | BinarySpike | heck right |
| 18:25.55 | JeffM2501 | BinarySpike, then don't use expermental |
| 18:26.07 | JeffM2501 | they are cool |
| 18:26.20 | Tupone | what flags? |
| 18:26.24 | JeffM2501 | tho I'm gonna be replacing them |
| 18:26.27 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, the flag model |
| 18:26.27 | trepan | brlcad: look much nicer with lighting normals... |
| 18:26.29 | brlcad | ooh, tanks that shoot flags.. |
| 18:26.30 | JeffM2501 | how it's 3d and wavy |
| 18:26.31 | Tupone | ahh ok |
| 18:26.45 | ToughShooter | I could make an unofficial mac built if I find some space to host it |
| 18:26.58 | trepan | (and faster then the current high version with lods :) |
| 18:27.03 | ToughShooter | and remove it when the official one is out |
| 18:27.05 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, the changes to the client are not enogh to warant it |
| 18:27.07 | Tupone | ToughShooter: did you see I posted the source ? |
| 18:27.19 | CBG | new flags? o.O |
| 18:27.28 | JeffM2501 | good lord noone reads |
| 18:27.39 | JeffM2501 | CBG, the graphics |
| 18:27.41 | ToughShooter | Tupone: Yes, but I asked because 2.0.8 seemed far away, now they said weekend :/ |
| 18:27.51 | JeffM2501 | see what happens every time I commit? |
| 18:27.55 | ToughShooter | tnx anyway |
| 18:27.57 | Tupone | I posted because is better to test before release |
| 18:28.01 | CBG | Ah, different from in 2.0.5 ? |
| 18:28.05 | brlcad | little puppies cry |
| 18:28.14 | *** join/#bzflag Blue_Eyes (n=Blue@host103-217.pool874.interbusiness.it) |
| 18:28.29 | JeffM2501 | 2.0.8 was never to be far away |
| 18:28.32 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07playground_branch * 10bzflag/src/common/ShotUpdate.cxx: send shot damage values with the shots over the wire |
| 18:28.35 | JeffM2501 | it's just a small bugfix release |
| 18:28.42 | JeffM2501 | curl, spawn, and a small API change |
| 18:29.06 | JeffM2501 | had all gone well we'd never have to do a .8 |
| 18:29.19 | ToughShooter | s/is/has |
| 18:29.25 | JeffM2501 | BinarySpike, a couple people worked on them |
| 18:29.30 | JeffM2501 | myself, brygen, dtr, |
| 18:29.44 | JeffM2501 | some stuff is a bit outa date but what you need is in there |
| 18:29.48 | JeffM2501 | part of the playerinfo stuff |
| 18:30.20 | JeffM2501 | or hell a simple search of the header for the term "callsign" would have done ya |
| 18:30.55 | BinarySpike | I did, Player, PlayerID, getPlayerID, getMaxPlayers and couldn't find anything |
| 18:31.12 | BinarySpike | I also went through a large portion of the header file reading it |
| 18:31.30 | JeffM2501 | the API does not use the same thing as the game core |
| 18:31.33 | trepan | learn to read code; i never use bzfsAPI.h, and still found it within 1 second of opening the file |
| 18:32.13 | BinarySpike | why do all the functions return bool? |
| 18:32.31 | JeffM2501 | BinarySpike, they you don't read code very well |
| 18:32.35 | JeffM2501 | BinarySpike, the API is C++ |
| 18:32.38 | JeffM2501 | not just flat C |
| 18:32.45 | JeffM2501 | and any funciton may fail |
| 18:32.54 | JeffM2501 | so it returns a bool to tell you if it worked |
| 18:33.23 | JeffM2501 | BinarySpike, please for the love of Bob, just go learn C and C++ properly, and stop beating your code with a mallet till it works |
| 18:33.41 | BinarySpike | I was just wondering why they all returned bool... |
| 18:33.48 | JeffM2501 | for an error code |
| 18:33.53 | JeffM2501 | they may fail |
| 18:33.56 | BinarySpike | yes I know that |
| 18:33.58 | JeffM2501 | you may pass in bad data |
| 18:34.07 | JeffM2501 | what else would I return? an double? |
| 18:34.15 | BinarySpike | I'm not stupid... it just didn't say in the doc |
| 18:34.18 | JeffM2501 | "oh you failed 12.5%" |
| 18:34.43 | JeffM2501 | then look at the code and see WHY |
| 18:34.46 | bryjen | "your parameters we're 88.3% lame" |
| 18:34.51 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 18:34.58 | bryjen | s/we're/were |
| 18:34.59 | JeffM2501 | we could return strings |
| 18:35.06 | JeffM2501 | cus that makes for fast code |
| 18:35.24 | BinarySpike | "you pissed Jeff off so were not gonna work" |
| 18:35.36 | JeffM2501 | you didn't piss me off |
| 18:35.43 | JeffM2501 | you just always as the same thing |
| 18:35.44 | JeffM2501 | every time |
| 18:35.49 | JeffM2501 | it's anoying after a year |
| 18:36.25 | JeffM2501 | I've never seen you do your own research |
| 18:36.31 | JeffM2501 | it's allways asking somone every step of the way |
| 18:36.45 | JeffM2501 | like gnardux + 4 |
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| 18:41.54 | BinarySpike | do std::vector's start at 0? |
| 18:42.08 | BinarySpike | so if the size is 20 we loop until 19 right? |
| 18:42.24 | L4m3r | uh, yeah, just about everything works like that in my experience ;) |
| 18:42.31 | BinarySpike | Ok, thanks |
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| 18:54.07 | Daler | do I submit a patch to the Sourceforge patch tracker for integration into the code? I've got a small patch to put options in to bzfs for doing bonuses for capturing the flag (for both the capper and his team) per feature request "[ 944645 ] Get points for CTF" |
| 18:54.11 | I_Died_Once | I think vectors start at -1 |
| 18:55.11 | blast007 | Daler: yeah, submit a code in the patches section on the SF bzflag project page |
| 18:55.15 | BinarySpike | -1 is not "one below zero" it's quiet a large number used in that way... /me wonders what int something[-1] would do |
| 18:55.20 | blast007 | s/a code/a patch/ |
| 18:55.20 | DTRemenak | Daler: patches go to the sf.net patch tracker, yes |
| 18:55.37 | DTRemenak | BinarySpike: segfault |
| 18:55.53 | BinarySpike | but my compiler should catch that though... |
| 18:56.11 | DTRemenak | why? maybe you've allocated enough space for it |
| 18:56.45 | L4m3r | perhaps it could give you a "signed/unsigned mismatch" warning |
| 18:56.52 | DTRemenak | modern compilers should throw a signed/unsigned warning |
| 18:56.53 | L4m3r | but I don't think it would do anything else |
| 18:57.00 | DTRemenak | L4m3r types faster than me too :( |
| 18:57.03 | L4m3r | DTR: hehe |
| 18:57.25 | blast007 | BinarySpike: if you think the compiler would catch it, why are you asking us what would happen if you tried it? |
| 18:57.44 | BinarySpike | I was thinking to myself blast... |
| 18:57.52 | blast007 | no, you were thinking to us |
| 18:58.03 | BinarySpike | or I was thinking out loud |
| 18:59.04 | L4m3r | I hate segfaults. at least in Windows the catestrophic crash gives you some debugging info :P |
| 18:59.46 | Marder | so does unix, its called a "coredump" |
| 19:00.05 | Marder | ;-) |
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| 19:24.04 | BinarySpike | Have fun molez... Make sure to bother Jeff about that date stuff :-P (the plugin name shows how to do dates... teamscores should be easy) |
| 19:27.11 | Mr_Molez | lol gnurdux has an impersinator,, what is the world coming to |
| 19:27.27 | L4m3r | lol |
| 19:27.39 | L4m3r | I wonder who he pissed off |
| 19:28.21 | Mr_Molez | its jeff ! |
| 19:29.19 | Mr_Molez | or not :| |
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| 19:38.39 | Mr_Molez | JeffM2501: ping |
| 19:40.16 | ToughShooter | global login is not working any more :( |
| 19:41.20 | blast007 | ~bzflist |
| 19:41.40 | blast007 | hmm...just lost connection to bzflag.bz via SSH too |
| 19:42.39 | brlcad | that's odd |
| 19:42.48 | blast007 | ~bzflist |
| 19:42.59 | brlcad | working fine here |
| 19:43.01 | bryjen | forum administration is still working. I'm removing a bunch of spam registrations. hopefully that's not what's causing the problem :/ |
| 19:43.21 | blast007 | brlcad: I reconnected to SSH and that worked again right away |
| 19:44.23 | brlcad | maybe something local |
| 19:44.37 | brlcad | it shows you connected twice |
| 19:45.37 | brlcad | there may be an idle kick |
| 19:47.22 | bryjen | heh. lots of the spammer are Name####. I almost deleted JeffM2501 ;) |
| 19:47.37 | L4m3r | lol |
| 19:47.49 | blast007 | brlcad: could be, just seemed timely |
| 19:47.55 | L4m3r | why bother to delete them manually? don't the boards purge them all? |
| 19:48.07 | bryjen | blast007 was safe 'cause he's only got 3 numerals ;) |
| 19:48.30 | blast007 | actually I'm just 'blast' on the forum ;) |
| 19:49.49 | bryjen | and it's usually an english first name with initial capital |
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| 19:50.26 | L4m3r | doesn't phpBB have some form of image verification? |
| 19:50.42 | blast007 | L4m3r: we don't have a fully updated board |
| 19:50.44 | blast007 | just security updates |
| 19:50.50 | L4m3r | oh, right. |
| 19:50.57 | L4m3r | hackassed :P |
| 19:51.01 | blast007 | :) |
| 19:52.16 | JeffM2501 | mmmm cooked fish |
| 19:52.53 | blast007 | up until yesterday, the forum was showing 2.0.3 in the footer |
| 19:52.58 | blast007 | I removed the version |
| 19:53.27 | blast007 | that should prevent some of the lame version based attacks |
| 19:54.19 | bryjen | there's got to be a better way to clean this up. maybe some sql like delete * from users where posts=0 and website=lame.spam.url |
| 19:54.27 | blast007 | lol |
| 19:54.48 | blast007 | another forum I was at prevented the web address from showing up until they had like 10 posts :) |
| 19:55.03 | JeffM2501 | blast007, ok |
| 19:55.25 | JeffM2501 | bryjen, meno had a script that cleaned em up |
| 19:55.28 | JeffM2501 | it just didn't get moved over |
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| 20:02.41 | JeffM2501 | hmm is it posible for a shot begin to get to a server before a flag drop? |
| 20:03.52 | JeffM2501 | I'm thinking of removing the flag type from the shot message that is sent from the client, and having the server add it on |
| 20:04.04 | Tupone | :) is already |
| 20:04.26 | Tupone | not doc'ed |
| 20:04.41 | JeffM2501 | hmmm but the repack dosn't seem right |
| 20:04.59 | Tupone | well, the message is like it was, but server subs |
| 20:05.00 | JeffM2501 | let me look |
| 20:05.27 | JeffM2501 | you change the data structure, but don't repack it |
| 20:05.28 | Tupone | not sure about the last , better look |
| 20:05.33 | JeffM2501 | so the buffer is the old shot |
| 20:05.46 | Tupone | buffer is rebuild at server |
| 20:05.55 | JeffM2501 | not that I can see |
| 20:06.02 | JeffM2501 | only if repack is true |
| 20:06.14 | JeffM2501 | and repack is only true if the API changes the shot |
| 20:06.28 | JeffM2501 | bzfs.cxx shotFired() |
| 20:07.09 | JeffM2501 | I think we should allways repack |
| 20:07.17 | JeffM2501 | cus I'm gonna do the same with damage |
| 20:07.23 | JeffM2501 | just set it on the server |
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| 20:11.24 | JeffM2501 | hmm API shot mod is too early too |
| 20:11.27 | JeffM2501 | too late even |
| 20:11.44 | JeffM2501 | should happen before shot is stored in the player |
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| 20:17.15 | Tupone | JeffM2501: my change was release 2.212 . Someone changed after, and put it that bug |
| 20:17.30 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, probably me :) |
| 20:17.36 | JeffM2501 | when I moved it all around |
| 20:17.38 | JeffM2501 | I'll fix it then |
| 20:17.59 | Tupone | I don't like moving around :/ |
| 20:18.09 | JeffM2501 | well it's better then one big function |
| 20:18.20 | JeffM2501 | handleCommand was way too large |
| 20:18.36 | JeffM2501 | specialy when you need to use parts of it in plugins |
| 20:18.36 | Tupone | if the gain is big, I'm ok at restudying the code |
| 20:18.44 | JeffM2501 | that's what I did when I moved it |
| 20:18.46 | JeffM2501 | refactor |
| 20:18.48 | JeffM2501 | clean up |
| 20:18.51 | JeffM2501 | make better |
| 20:18.57 | JeffM2501 | tho sometimes I make mistakes |
| 20:19.03 | Tupone | if the gain is minimal, me have to relook at all |
| 20:19.15 | Tupone | not having any gain |
| 20:19.19 | JeffM2501 | readablity is a gain |
| 20:19.26 | JeffM2501 | but hey ,revert it if you want |
| 20:19.29 | JeffM2501 | have big long functions |
| 20:19.36 | JeffM2501 | whatever floats your boat |
| 20:19.39 | Tupone | but I did not need to re-read again, if code staied the same :) |
| 20:19.49 | Tupone | but ok |
| 20:19.50 | JeffM2501 | you arn't the only developer Tupone |
| 20:20.09 | Tupone | well, but you are oing to loose me this way |
| 20:20.15 | Tupone | going |
| 20:20.22 | JeffM2501 | I thought that puting the shot stuff in a function called shotFired was a good thing |
| 20:20.28 | JeffM2501 | cus it was like logical |
| 20:20.40 | Tupone | I'm just talking in principle |
| 20:20.42 | JeffM2501 | instead of in the middle of a big 45page long switch statement |
| 20:20.44 | JeffM2501 | so am I |
| 20:21.02 | Tupone | moving code around is not good just for refactor if the gain is minimal |
| 20:21.09 | JeffM2501 | modular code may work the same as flat code, but is easyer to view |
| 20:21.18 | JeffM2501 | who's gain? |
| 20:21.26 | JeffM2501 | end user gain? or developer gain |
| 20:21.37 | JeffM2501 | refactoring code is allmost allways done for developer gain |
| 20:21.41 | bryjen | and which developer |
| 20:21.48 | JeffM2501 | that is a concern |
| 20:21.51 | JeffM2501 | not everyone likes functions |
| 20:21.55 | JeffM2501 | I'd hope that most do |
| 20:22.10 | JeffM2501 | we don't have coding style defintions for code modularity |
| 20:22.27 | Tupone | I do like function, and short function, but not a lot of functions. |
| 20:22.46 | JeffM2501 | what's better 35 functions or a 45 page switch? |
| 20:22.50 | JeffM2501 | to you? |
| 20:23.02 | Tupone | but I like also to know where the code is, without browing lot of file |
| 20:23.05 | Mr_Molez | +bzflist |
| 20:23.07 | Mr_Molez | ~bzflist |
| 20:23.23 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, unless it makes sense to move it to another file, I keep the function in the same file |
| 20:23.36 | JeffM2501 | just under a funciton to make searching easyer |
| 20:23.45 | JeffM2501 | also makes the switch easyer to read |
| 20:24.13 | Tupone | I know, that is good at start, but when code is there, move only if you gain readability a lot |
| 20:24.41 | Tupone | or if code is really bugged |
| 20:24.54 | Tupone | in principle |
| 20:26.40 | JeffM2501 | that's called a mistake |
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| 20:26.44 | JeffM2501 | mistakes are gonna happen |
| 20:26.56 | JeffM2501 | are you saying prinicple dn't make any changes if there is a posiblity of mistake? |
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| 20:27.36 | blast007 | think he meant that moving it around is good if it's really bugged |
| 20:28.11 | JeffM2501 | I can't agree wit only moving buggy code, and keeping "good" code where it is just because |
| 20:28.28 | JeffM2501 | it's not like the origonal author was some sort of coding genius |
| 20:28.36 | Tupone | lol, JeffM2501 I'm not saying that. |
| 20:28.50 | Tupone | I'm saying that restructuring code is good |
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| 20:28.55 | Tupone | moving code is bad |
| 20:28.59 | Tupone | weight that |
| 20:29.08 | JeffM2501 | moving is sometimes part of restructuring |
| 20:29.35 | Tupone | and decide if the weighted gain is positive |
| 20:29.53 | JeffM2501 | breaking up large funcitons into modular sub functions is allways a postive change in my mind |
| 20:30.11 | JeffM2501 | makes the code easyer to reuse |
| 20:30.43 | Tupone | if you gain something like "1.0" but people do not find any more the code and they need to study for fix, and you think this cost 2 you loose |
| 20:31.09 | Tupone | any action have positive and negative |
| 20:31.13 | JeffM2501 | well with any code change, the other devs will have to know that it changed |
| 20:31.23 | JeffM2501 | thats part of working with other people |
| 20:32.04 | JeffM2501 | I would agree with you for like moving a function from one file to another for no reason other then to move it |
| 20:32.05 | Tupone | e.g. I was sure it was not any repacking in the shot, so, in case of bug , I'd not have any look at that code |
| 20:32.49 | JeffM2501 | it looks like it was busted when the API call was added, not when it was moved. |
| 20:33.06 | JeffM2501 | the break could have hapend for many reasons |
| 20:33.18 | JeffM2501 | any change can break existing code |
| 20:33.31 | JeffM2501 | I just can't see why cleanups are feared |
| 20:33.39 | Tupone | I do not says is your code, you said it. |
| 20:33.46 | bryjen | don't be sure forever :) when you didn't find the bug elsewhere, you'd need to go look at code you thought you knew to see if someone else changed it. |
| 20:33.52 | JeffM2501 | oh I know I ubsted it :0 |
| 20:34.04 | JeffM2501 | bryjen, that can happen at any time |
| 20:34.14 | JeffM2501 | someone else could have added a feature |
| 20:34.19 | JeffM2501 | or done any change |
| 20:34.23 | JeffM2501 | not just moved it |
| 20:34.33 | bryjen | yes, that was to Tupone |
| 20:34.36 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 20:34.37 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 20:34.48 | JeffM2501 | sure not changing the code makes it easyer for curent devs to find stuff |
| 20:35.00 | JeffM2501 | but it also stifles evolution of the code |
| 20:35.11 | Tupone | JeffM2501: exactly, pro and cons |
| 20:35.23 | JeffM2501 | and makes you have to do a lot of changes in one shot when you need the cleanups |
| 20:35.31 | JeffM2501 | I'd raather have small evolutions then big ass changes |
| 20:35.32 | Tupone | not only pro, and not only cons |
| 20:35.41 | JeffM2501 | the cons are miniaml |
| 20:35.47 | JeffM2501 | and shared by normal code changes |
| 20:35.56 | JeffM2501 | the cons are just part of sharing code with other humans |
| 20:36.01 | JeffM2501 | so for me they cancel out |
| 20:36.07 | Tupone | but weight thatm take that into account when restructuring |
| 20:36.14 | JeffM2501 | umm ok |
| 20:36.31 | Tupone | I'm not against restructuring |
| 20:36.39 | JeffM2501 | it's not like I'm commiting to the mainline ayway |
| 20:36.53 | JeffM2501 | you can structure it how you want when features are pulled ;) |
| 20:39.16 | Tupone | I did a lot of changes with the PlayerInfo ... I'm not sure we gained a lot, but I'm sure people had to get acquainted with my changes, and that is bad |
| 20:39.33 | JeffM2501 | it's not bad |
| 20:39.39 | JeffM2501 | it's just part development |
| 20:39.48 | JeffM2501 | things arn't going to stay the same for ever |
| 20:39.51 | JeffM2501 | you just deal with it |
| 20:40.00 | Tupone | when you know the code by heart, you can just go there and fix |
| 20:40.07 | JeffM2501 | noone knows all the code by heart |
| 20:40.13 | Tupone | :) |
| 20:40.26 | JeffM2501 | how can a person not expect it to change? |
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| 20:41.07 | JeffM2501 | if we don't want it to change, when we should stop making changes to it :) |
| 20:41.07 | Tupone | chirurgic fixes are good |
| 20:41.16 | JeffM2501 | what is that first word? |
| 20:41.22 | Tupone | surgery |
| 20:41.30 | Tupone | maybe |
| 20:41.35 | JeffM2501 | like major changes? |
| 20:41.38 | JeffM2501 | big ones? |
| 20:41.45 | Tupone | little one |
| 20:41.52 | JeffM2501 | that's what I'm doing then |
| 20:41.56 | JeffM2501 | little incremental changes |
| 20:42.11 | JeffM2501 | so when people have to deal with a change, it is small |
| 20:42.13 | JeffM2501 | and incremental |
| 20:42.18 | JeffM2501 | not one big "PLOP" |
| 20:42.36 | JeffM2501 | slowly I'm moving all the pack/unpack stuff to one place |
| 20:42.47 | JeffM2501 | slowly I'm breaking up the big functions |
| 20:43.07 | Tupone | but I'll found them all at once in a new placem when I had eventually to fix:) |
| 20:43.08 | JeffM2501 | so that we eventualy get to a more logical layout |
| 20:43.33 | JeffM2501 | that's just your way of dealing with it Tupone not everyone works that way |
| 20:43.39 | blast007 | I spent a lot of time tracing the code when reproducing the protocol in another language :) |
| 20:43.41 | JeffM2501 | many follow the small changes |
| 20:43.45 | JeffM2501 | blast007, totaly |
| 20:43.50 | JeffM2501 | it's horible that it's spread all over |
| 20:44.15 | JeffM2501 | once it's all in once place, it can be made into a proto lib that any app can use |
| 20:44.24 | JeffM2501 | then bzadmin wouldn't need bzfs |
| 20:44.26 | JeffM2501 | sorry bzflag |
| 20:44.29 | blast007 | and some parts even get spread over multiple functions for a single packet, in different files |
| 20:44.34 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:45.04 | JeffM2501 | it ties the in memory representation to the network data |
| 20:45.13 | JeffM2501 | makes it harder to reuse the classes in both server and client |
| 20:45.20 | JeffM2501 | in a non network way |
| 20:45.25 | JeffM2501 | aka the server side memory state |
| 20:46.18 | JeffM2501 | gpx has every message represented as class |
| 20:46.24 | JeffM2501 | that just handles the message data |
| 20:46.31 | blast007 | a _lot_ easier to keep the protocol docs updated if it's centralized too |
| 20:46.39 | JeffM2501 | then that data is copied to the data that the sim keeps |
| 20:49.10 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:49.10 | JeffM2501 | also means that when you change the pack, you can change the unpack, cus they are in the same place :) |
| 20:49.10 | blast007 | yup |
| 20:49.48 | JeffM2501 | but I want to do that in small chunks not one big chunk |
| 20:49.54 | JeffM2501 | don't have the time for a huge chunk |
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| 20:53.04 | JeffM2501 | I think I'm gonna change spawns too |
| 20:53.14 | JeffM2501 | make the server send the client a message when it can start moving |
| 20:53.17 | JeffM2501 | after the spawn |
| 20:53.39 | JeffM2501 | so I can do my "door in the ground" spawn :) |
| 20:53.48 | blast007 | lol |
| 20:54.06 | JeffM2501 | I want spining red lights to come out of the ground |
| 20:54.11 | JeffM2501 | throw up a cylinder shild |
| 20:54.22 | JeffM2501 | a door open in the ground and the tank come up on a platform |
| 20:54.29 | JeffM2501 | then the shield drops |
| 20:54.37 | blast007 | that would be awesome :) |
| 20:54.56 | JeffM2501 | kinda to compensate for the "it takes longer to die" thing |
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| 20:55.37 | JeffM2501 | it's ether that or make you respawn in an airdrop chopper :) |
| 20:55.50 | JeffM2501 | and you have to wait for the next avaialable one |
| 20:55.57 | JeffM2501 | like every 30 seconds |
| 20:56.19 | blast007 | :) |
| 20:57.11 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, so it is imposible to get a shot fired, after a flag drop on the server, when it was droped before the shot on the client? |
| 20:58.27 | blast007 | if the client had high latency, it could sent out a shot before it received the "drop flag" from the server |
| 20:58.41 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 20:58.46 | blast007 | we had that already with the shot limit stuff, specifically noticable with the SW flag |
| 20:58.46 | JeffM2501 | on a forced drop |
| 20:58.56 | bryjen | is either of those messages delivered with UDP? |
| 20:59.06 | JeffM2501 | trying to see |
| 20:59.09 | JeffM2501 | it's hard to tell :) |
| 20:59.52 | JeffM2501 | shot begin is UDP |
| 20:59.54 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 21:00.07 | JeffM2501 | so yeah they could be in backwards order |
| 21:00.10 | JeffM2501 | that's not good |
| 21:00.24 | blast007 | could be anyway though, right? |
| 21:00.26 | JeffM2501 | you COULD drop the flag, and fire, and the server could get fire then the flag drop |
| 21:00.28 | bryjen | ServerLink.cxx:377 |
| 21:00.42 | JeffM2501 | I'm looking at netHandler |
| 21:00.49 | JeffM2501 | shots are sent UDP |
| 21:00.55 | blast007 | JeffM2501: are you speaking of a client sided flag drop, or a server forced flag drop? |
| 21:01.00 | JeffM2501 | ether or |
| 21:01.30 | blast007 | client side will be in the right order, except for the possible UDP out-of-order thing |
| 21:01.44 | JeffM2501 | client sends flag drop as TCP? |
| 21:02.28 | JeffM2501 | gahh, where is that server link file? |
| 21:02.36 | JeffM2501 | ahh found it |
| 21:02.42 | blast007 | but server side, the server could send you a drop message, and it would be possible for the client to fire off a few more shots before it got the server message to drop the flag, and the server would then get the shot messages from the client |
| 21:02.50 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:02.57 | JeffM2501 | I think for both ways we need an "ack" message |
| 21:03.15 | JeffM2501 | you could drop flag, fire, |
| 21:03.23 | JeffM2501 | the TCP drop needs a resend |
| 21:03.29 | JeffM2501 | but the UDP makes it thru |
| 21:03.29 | Tupone | naha I don't agree |
| 21:03.32 | JeffM2501 | so you get udp first |
| 21:03.41 | JeffM2501 | it's probably VERY rare |
| 21:05.51 | blast007 | I've had times when I dropped a flag, but the server didn't get that message, so I couldn't grab another flag |
| 21:05.53 | JeffM2501 | yeah flag drops are TCP |
| 21:06.08 | blast007 | that was when playing with /flag give stuff though |
| 21:06.20 | JeffM2501 | well I think /flag give can screw the state |
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| 21:06.55 | JeffM2501 | just looking at what we have here, the TCP Message for flag drop from the client could get to the server AFTER the UDP message for the shot |
| 21:07.04 | JeffM2501 | if they were very unlicky |
| 21:07.07 | JeffM2501 | lucky even :) |
| 21:07.15 | bryjen | ~lick JeffM2501 |
| 21:07.17 | ibot | ACTION licks JeffM2501 *SHLUUURRRRPPP* |
| 21:07.18 | JeffM2501 | like I say it's proably rare |
| 21:07.27 | JeffM2501 | but it could happen with this method |
| 21:07.49 | JeffM2501 | problem with an ack is the client could ignore it and keep the flag forever |
| 21:08.54 | JeffM2501 | you'd have to know an ack was pending and do something after some time |
| 21:09.00 | JeffM2501 | hmmm |
| 21:09.15 | JeffM2501 | well if the shot is based off the flag, I can do the damage too, then it'll be consistnet |
| 21:09.32 | JeffM2501 | and the drop shoot thing can be fixed later if it's a problem |
| 21:09.39 | bryjen | flag drops may already be "sort of" acked. iirc, the client send flagdrop, but doesn't drop until the server echos it back |
| 21:09.41 | JeffM2501 | tho we do a reload after drop right? |
| 21:09.54 | JeffM2501 | what about a server side flag drop? |
| 21:10.35 | JeffM2501 | if we do a relload after flag drop then there is probably engouh time between them |
| 21:10.37 | bryjen | i'd assume that's just the server sends it and expects the client to do it. i may be completely off base with this |
| 21:10.54 | JeffM2501 | wonder when we set the server side flag |
| 21:11.14 | Tupone | what the shooting client had is not important, what is important is what the server knows about |
| 21:11.43 | bryjen | the only reload-after-drop I know of is with TH, which is purposely done for a delay between I-steal-your-flag and I-shoot-you |
| 21:11.58 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, yes, but I'm just curious when those get out of sync |
| 21:12.00 | Tupone | shooting can even think to shoot a GM, but if server knows client has not GM, client cannot drive the shot |
| 21:12.05 | JeffM2501 | cus we don't tell the client what he shot |
| 21:12.24 | JeffM2501 | then his client is out of sync with the other clients |
| 21:12.37 | Tupone | for a little time, yes |
| 21:12.39 | JeffM2501 | I'm just wondering how often that can happen |
| 21:12.43 | JeffM2501 | yes it's not THAT bad |
| 21:13.00 | Tupone | you cannot sync, unless you slow the game a lot |
| 21:13.06 | JeffM2501 | it would be nice if we told the client what kinda shot they did shoot |
| 21:13.14 | JeffM2501 | and if there was a discrepancy, the client fix it |
| 21:13.20 | JeffM2501 | to minimse the time |
| 21:13.40 | JeffM2501 | yeah you'll never get 100% lockstep |
| 21:13.49 | JeffM2501 | unless it goes to turn based :) |
| 21:13.53 | Tupone | yep |
| 21:14.01 | JeffM2501 | "move your tank forward 5 spaces" :) |
| 21:14.05 | bryjen | so echo the ShotBegin back to the shooter with the same ShotID. he can assume he got what he wanted until then, and correct it if necessary |
| 21:14.21 | JeffM2501 | bryjen, yeah that's what I'm thinkin |
| 21:14.56 | Tupone | maybe the network use raise ? |
| 21:15.00 | Tupone | grow |
| 21:15.20 | bryjen | Tupone: yes, hopefully not by much ;) |
| 21:15.20 | JeffM2501 | actualy I think we send the shot back now |
| 21:15.23 | JeffM2501 | it's broadcast |
| 21:15.24 | Tupone | maybe send only if you get a flag drop |
| 21:15.34 | Tupone | no broadcast |
| 21:15.35 | JeffM2501 | I think it's just ignored |
| 21:15.42 | JeffM2501 | it's done message relay |
| 21:15.47 | JeffM2501 | is that to all but the sender? |
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| 21:15.58 | Tupone | yep, if nobody has changed it |
| 21:16.02 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 21:16.12 | bryjen | not true broadcast, for (tanks) sendUnicast |
| 21:16.13 | JeffM2501 | well the problem is you don't know if you are GONNA get a flag drop :) |
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| 21:16.29 | Tupone | but you will know, so send only on a flag drop |
| 21:16.30 | JeffM2501 | it's probalby too rare to worry about |
| 21:16.33 | Tupone | yep |
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| 21:17.23 | bryjen | meh, probly. i don't think sending a few extra bytes would hurt much. |
| 21:17.33 | JeffM2501 | it would be another mesage |
| 21:17.38 | JeffM2501 | so another header |
| 21:17.47 | bryjen | No, reuse ShotBegin |
| 21:18.12 | JeffM2501 | that's still a packet that is sent to the shooting client that wasn't sent before |
| 21:18.17 | JeffM2501 | that will have a UDP header on it |
| 21:18.19 | JeffM2501 | it's not much tho |
| 21:18.28 | JeffM2501 | and it woudl help if the API changed the shot |
| 21:18.34 | JeffM2501 | tho a major shot change would suck |
| 21:18.39 | JeffM2501 | like laser to SW |
| 21:18.41 | bryjen | ah, _network protocol_ header |
| 21:18.47 | JeffM2501 | yeah real net header :) |
| 21:19.41 | bryjen | besides, you can only get away with saying "it's just a few more bytes" so many times ;) |
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| 21:30.51 | JeffM2501 | heh |
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| 22:02.43 | spldart | I have an interesting one I thought I would mention here. On my 2.0 server I had a tanker come in asking if I had knowledge how to modify BZFlag client or had any modified clients I could send him via email... If this concerns you guys I willl pass on his info in /msg to a dev so that you can have a heads up if he turns out to be a cheater. |
| 22:03.40 | CBG | m.b.o is down..? |
| 22:06.35 | JeffM2501 | many people ask |
| 22:06.42 | JeffM2501 | techincaly it's not against the license to mod bz |
| 22:07.17 | CBG | It's against the rules to use cheat clients, that is all, right? |
| 22:07.33 | JeffM2501 | we ask that people do not use "cheat"clients on public servers |
| 22:07.40 | Mr_Molez | only against the rules to use them on server that do not allow it :) |
| 22:07.50 | JeffM2501 | we reserve the right to block people who do from using public services |
| 22:08.04 | JeffM2501 | Mr_Molez, we also ask that no public server on the mainline version allow cheats |
| 22:08.17 | CBG | Oh, really? |
| 22:08.22 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 22:08.24 | JeffM2501 | we ask that |
| 22:08.26 | Mr_Molez | JeffM2501: yeh you made my take mine down a few months ago remember :P |
| 22:08.27 | CBG | Would you block such a server from using the list? |
| 22:08.36 | JeffM2501 | Mr_Molez, no I asked |
| 22:08.41 | JeffM2501 | you coudl have kept it up |
| 22:08.43 | Mr_Molez | same thing |
| 22:08.47 | spldart | Very well... I will make a private note of him just in case |
| 22:08.48 | JeffM2501 | we just would have not let you list |
| 22:09.18 | CBG | Wouldn't a 'cheat server' discourage cheaters from using other servers? |
| 22:09.23 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 22:09.25 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:09.27 | CBG | Or would it just encourage cheating in general? |
| 22:09.30 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 22:09.36 | JeffM2501 | it makes cheat clients easyer to get |
| 22:09.42 | spldart | seems logical |
| 22:09.44 | CBG | True... |
| 22:09.57 | L4m3r | cheat servers defeat the purpose of cheating, especially in a simple game like BZFlag |
| 22:10.06 | JeffM2501 | exactly |
| 22:10.07 | L4m3r | everyone invincible = no fun |
| 22:10.20 | CBG | True... heh. I'll ditch that idea then. I have too many, need to ditch some anyway. |
| 22:10.22 | JeffM2501 | mods are find, if you mod the proto too |
| 22:10.33 | L4m3r | just you invincible = fun for that kind of jackass |
| 22:10.59 | CBG | It's really no fun to be invincible... Just boring. |
| 22:11.16 | spldart | I can see it being fun ..... for like a couple minutes |
| 22:11.19 | CBG | And all along you know your winning 'cause of the cheat. |
| 22:11.26 | CBG | spldart: yeah, exactly. |
| 22:11.30 | JeffM2501 | but the gpl alows people to mod the code |
| 22:11.33 | JeffM2501 | we encourge it |
| 22:11.41 | L4m3r | I'm sure most of the people who do it either have e-penis issues, or just get off by ruining it for others |
| 22:11.57 | Mr_Molez | invinsibility ain the only cheats people make |
| 22:12.05 | JeffM2501 | there will allways be some cheats |
| 22:12.08 | JeffM2501 | can't get rid of them all |
| 22:12.25 | Mr_Molez | I know someone who made bots respawn in the same place and respawn of 0 seconds.. to get their score to like 3000 in a minute |
| 22:12.31 | CBG | Mr_Molez: but whatever the cheat, you'll always know that you're doing well BECAUSE of the cheat... |
| 22:12.51 | CBG | Wow, that guy must have a HUGE sense of achievement... |
| 22:13.01 | JeffM2501 | many players don't care |
| 22:13.06 | JeffM2501 | it's about winning |
| 22:13.15 | Mr_Molez | true, but for a cheat server i think people would be happier showing off what they can code rather than bothering with their score |
| 22:13.17 | JeffM2501 | not about feeling good about acomplishing something |
| 22:13.18 | L4m3r | Mr_Molez: true, but god mode surpasses all other cheats as far as effectiveness... on a cheat server it's all that matters |
| 22:13.28 | JeffM2501 | Mr_Molez, that is not a cheat server that is a mod server |
| 22:13.30 | CBG | I could never be proud of winning if I cheated. |
| 22:13.38 | JeffM2501 | and that idea wold be prefecty fine on another proto |
| 22:13.38 | Mr_Molez | umm k mod server |
| 22:13.51 | spldart | I think it might be amusing as a drive by prank... hit each server for a couple minutes to piss people off... But then done.... heh |
| 22:13.54 | JeffM2501 | if the goal is to code, then there should be NO reason to have the clients be compatable |
| 22:14.10 | CBG | Is god mode just invincibility, or flying and stuff too..? |
| 22:14.27 | JeffM2501 | spldart, then when everyone is doing there "prank" the game becomes unplayable |
| 22:14.35 | L4m3r | Perhaps there should be a proto convention, so all the modded clients can play together |
| 22:14.35 | spldart | I totally understand |
| 22:14.56 | spldart | That's why I haven't considered such a thing nor am I going to tolerate it on my servers |
| 22:15.01 | Mr_Molez | or an official mod server list :D |
| 22:15.08 | CBG | hehe |
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| 22:15.21 | JeffM2501 | Mr_Molez, the regular list server will show all with the same proto together |
| 22:15.23 | JeffM2501 | so we have that |
| 22:15.33 | JeffM2501 | the moders just have to pick a number |
| 22:15.42 | Mr_Molez | oh |
| 22:15.45 | JeffM2501 | there may be more then one set of moders who want to be incomatable |
| 22:15.51 | JeffM2501 | like 2.0 moders and 2.1 moders |
| 22:15.58 | CBG | :O |
| 22:16.12 | JeffM2501 | the list server is showing one mod server allready |
| 22:16.15 | JeffM2501 | proto 1001 :) |
| 22:16.18 | L4m3r | perhaps there should be a 2.0m or something |
| 22:16.31 | JeffM2501 | the proto isn't tied to the game version |
| 22:16.32 | spldart | Geeez... something I have been meaning to do since building the new server but haven't done... What do I add to my group or user file to allow the Dev's to cop on my servers? |
| 22:16.45 | JeffM2501 | 2.0 use sprot 0026 IIRC |
| 22:16.59 | JeffM2501 | you coudl use 0025 or 0027 and be fine |
| 22:17.11 | CBG | spldart: add a line like this: DEV.GROUP: KICK BAN etc |
| 22:17.11 | JeffM2501 | or 9026 |
| 22:17.11 | L4m3r | spldart: I'm guessing you use the group "developers" |
| 22:17.21 | spldart | thanks |
| 22:17.33 | JeffM2501 | all "devs" are in a bzbb group |
| 22:17.43 | JeffM2501 | well most of them probably |
| 22:17.47 | L4m3r | what's it called? |
| 22:17.54 | JeffM2501 | Developers |
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| 22:18.01 | L4m3r | ah, I was right :P |
| 22:18.01 | Mr_Molez | JeffM2501: so on 0027 CBG could make a cheat server and that would be ok ? |
| 22:18.07 | JeffM2501 | Mr_Molez, yes |
| 22:18.16 | Mr_Molez | k |
| 22:18.16 | JeffM2501 | cus clients would have to be 0027 |
| 22:18.22 | Macskeeball | The list server is currently down, right? It seems to be for me. I know the forums are down. |
| 22:18.24 | JeffM2501 | and if you released a binary client it woudl not play on the real servers |
| 22:18.26 | CBG | What classifies someone as a dev? One who regulary commits only? Or anyone who ever comitted? |
| 22:18.33 | CBG | What is "0027"...? |
| 22:18.41 | JeffM2501 | CBG, if I think they are cool or not |
| 22:18.48 | Mr_Molez | CBG: server list version thingy |
| 22:18.51 | CBG | JeffM2501: I see ;) |
| 22:18.55 | A_Meteorite | I'm cool. 8) |
| 22:18.56 | JeffM2501 | Macskeeball, there have been DDoS atacks all day, it goes up it goes down |
| 22:19.01 | CBG | Mr_Molez: that was helpful... :P |
| 22:19.04 | A_Meteorite | DDoS? OUCH! |
| 22:19.07 | JeffM2501 | A_Meteorite, finihs my image thing and you'll be cool :) |
| 22:19.08 | Macskeeball | Oh, drat. |
| 22:19.16 | A_Meteorite | Ah, I'll get on that. |
| 22:19.18 | Macskeeball | That's no fun. |
| 22:19.20 | Mr_Molez | CBG: 2.0 uses 00something ... 10.8 uses 00somethingelse |
| 22:19.22 | JeffM2501 | Mr_Molez, it's the game protocoll version |
| 22:19.27 | CBG | I made some tacky bz-buttons, that's cool... right? |
| 22:19.27 | spldart | what was the -command to activate the userdatabase? |
| 22:19.35 | CBG | I see. And 0027 is not used..? |
| 22:19.37 | JeffM2501 | it's in date.cxx |
| 22:19.47 | JeffM2501 | no we moved past it now |
| 22:19.54 | JeffM2501 | 2.1 is up to like 036 |
| 22:20.00 | JeffM2501 | best would be to use like 9026 |
| 22:20.03 | CBG | Oh, I see. |
| 22:20.10 | JeffM2501 | so that it's WAY outa the way |
| 22:20.18 | JeffM2501 | and you can know your based on 26 |
| 22:20.21 | Mr_Molez | gona play a fun match bll |
| 22:20.27 | CBG | ~bzfquery dub.bzflag.org |
| 22:20.35 | CBG | so, on 2.0 we are 0026 ? |
| 22:20.52 | brad2901 | yep |
| 22:20.57 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:20.59 | brad2901 | 2.1 is currently 0036 |
| 22:21.03 | CBG | Right :) I always wondered what that was. :D |
| 22:21.10 | JeffM2501 | and will go up as we make new versions |
| 22:21.23 | spldart | I thought it was 0037 |
| 22:21.28 | JeffM2501 | maybe |
| 22:21.29 | JeffM2501 | I dono |
| 22:21.34 | JeffM2501 | it' around 3something :) |
| 22:21.37 | Mr_Molez | 36 i think |
| 22:21.40 | brad2901 | uh maybe just mine is 0036... it's old |
| 22:21.42 | JeffM2501 | it will change |
| 22:21.52 | Mr_Molez | ~bzfquery 84.16.234.156:5155 |
| 22:21.54 | JeffM2501 | I may have changed it to 37 when I redid some of the data packing |
| 22:21.57 | Mr_Molez | yeh 36 |
| 22:22.05 | JeffM2501 | that just means what ibot know |
| 22:22.10 | JeffM2501 | ibot dosn't know all |
| 22:22.12 | Mr_Molez | :( |
| 22:22.19 | CBG | she does! |
| 22:22.19 | JeffM2501 | ibot has to be updated each time |
| 22:22.27 | CBG | Blasphemy, JeffM2501! |
| 22:22.36 | brad2901 | ~bzfquery spldart.bakadigital.com:5155 |
| 22:22.40 | JeffM2501 | that's why we get a new command for each ma jor |
| 22:23.00 | bryjen | that's why it says "incompatible version", the 0036 is the string it got |
| 22:23.05 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 22:23.07 | Mr_Molez | ha ! |
| 22:23.34 | Mr_Molez | i mean, oh right |
| 22:23.34 | JeffM2501 | but basicly if you want to run a mod server, or set of servers on some other proto |
| 22:23.38 | JeffM2501 | that is perfectly fine |
| 22:23.42 | bryjen | ~bzfquery bryjen.bzflag.org:5156 |
| 22:23.49 | bryjen | whoops |
| 22:23.49 | CBG | 0666 ;) |
| 22:23.49 | spldart | I'm incompatible :( |
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| 22:24.34 | bryjen | ~bzfquery bryjen.bzflag.org:5156 |
| 22:24.56 | L4m3r | perhaps there could be a modding forum on BZBB... but then that could just be asking for trouble |
| 22:25.21 | L4m3r | maybe a rule "do not post any builds or cheat patches, other mods ok" |
| 22:25.27 | *** part/#bzflag bryjen (n=bryjen@63.147.94.149) |
| 22:25.31 | Mr_Molez | or atleast a post on bb about a modding server list :) |
| 22:25.59 | Mr_Molez | but then again , that would be telling people where to find cheats :P |
| 22:26.05 | CBG | I could change all the text in the client (menus, flag descriptions, etc) to slang stuff... fun. :) |
| 22:26.07 | JeffM2501 | it's a tricky thing |
| 22:26.18 | JeffM2501 | perosnaly I'd not want to have it on bzbb |
| 22:26.30 | JeffM2501 | bsicly we'd just not be stoping you from listing |
| 22:26.33 | CBG | Nothing is stopping someone running a forum elsewhere. |
| 22:26.40 | JeffM2501 | exactly |
| 22:27.08 | JeffM2501 | we won't embace it, but we won't stop it ether |
| 22:27.13 | JeffM2501 | it's your own thing |
| 22:27.22 | CBG | joking :) |
| 22:27.44 | L4m3r | I was thinking more along the lines of something like "enhancements", except more along the lines of "what do you think of this tweak" |
| 22:27.57 | JeffM2501 | best would be to mod the real protocoll, pack up a sourcecode tarbal |
| 22:27.58 | L4m3r | not so much cheating as just tinkering... |
| 22:28.04 | JeffM2501 | and have everyone use that as a base |
| 22:28.09 | JeffM2501 | then you don't have to tell people how |
| 22:28.15 | L4m3r | not a bad idea at all. |
| 22:28.18 | JeffM2501 | just give them the starting code |
| 22:28.43 | Mr_Molez | L4m3r: yeh but when ppl look at the list then see server descriptions like CBG's server.. TEST YOUR CHEATS... then they will tell everyone :P |
| 22:29.02 | JeffM2501 | Mr_Molez, they won't see those servers unless they are running the mod client |
| 22:29.12 | JeffM2501 | the client filters out servers that are incompatable |
| 22:29.18 | Mr_Molez | JeffM2501: i thought you said you could change the list in the bzflag config ? |
| 22:29.19 | JeffM2501 | it's how 1.10 and 2.0 use the same list |
| 22:29.30 | JeffM2501 | Mr_Molez, no, you keep assuming |
| 22:29.34 | JeffM2501 | you don't change the list |
| 22:29.41 | JeffM2501 | you change the protocll version for the game |
| 22:29.46 | JeffM2501 | and use the normal list |
| 22:29.52 | Mr_Molez | :) |
| 22:29.59 | CBG | That's in the source, right? |
| 22:30.00 | JeffM2501 | the list already knows how to filter it out |
| 22:30.02 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:30.05 | JeffM2501 | date.cxx |
| 22:30.13 | spldart | Ok... so will DEV.GROUP: KICK BAN in my userdb file give the developers kick ban? |
| 22:30.16 | CBG | Ok, I'll have a look later. |
| 22:30.27 | JeffM2501 | spldart, no |
| 22:30.32 | CBG | spldart: that is not the actual name of the group |
| 22:30.33 | JeffM2501 | there is no "dev.group" global group |
| 22:30.38 | JeffM2501 | it's just developers |
| 22:30.43 | JeffM2501 | that's the name |
| 22:30.48 | CBG | It was just an example. :) |
| 22:31.20 | spldart | I'm just looking for the exact line so as to know it works.. developers: KICK BAN then? |
| 22:31.34 | Pimpi | spldart: yep |
| 22:31.41 | JeffM2501 | you don't have any other groups setup? |
| 22:31.41 | spldart | perms don't have to be caps do they? |
| 22:31.55 | spldart | I am in fact juust now setting up groups |
| 22:32.10 | spldart | the family was copping the servers till now |
| 22:32.23 | Pimpi | spldart: it's case insensitive btw |
| 22:32.36 | spldart | I had groups set up on the old server but never got around to it on this one |
| 22:32.36 | spldart | thanks |
| 22:33.36 | Pimpi | taking a look in bzfs' manpage will provide you with more and more complex examples |
| 22:34.16 | spldart | I've got it open now ;) |
| 22:34.21 | Mr_Molez | ~bzflist |
| 22:34.24 | CBG | See all possible perms at http://www.penguin-soft.com:80/penguin/man/6/bzfs.html starting with "ACTIONMESSAGE" |
| 22:34.24 | spldart | had to find it in my Favorites |
| 22:37.22 | Thumper_ | Is the list server down? |
| 22:37.35 | brad2901 | seems to be |
| 22:38.10 | L4m3r | how long has this DDoS attack been happening? |
| 22:38.25 | Mr_Molez | server list has been down like 10 times today |
| 22:39.05 | *** join/#bzflag dcat (n=dcat@pdpc/supporter/active/dcat) |
| 22:39.29 | Mr_Molez | uhh |
| 22:39.48 | Mr_Molez | how u a supporter with name dcat ? |
| 22:40.12 | Mr_Molez | oh nevermind im being silly :P |
| 22:40.17 | dcat | http://freenode.net/pdpc_donations.shtml |
| 22:40.27 | Mr_Molez | sorry i lost my mind for a minute :) |
| 22:41.37 | spldart | was wondering what was up with the list server :( |
| 22:43.16 | brad2901 | can't someone restart apache? |
| 22:45.27 | JeffM2501 | it'll restart in 5 min automaticly |
| 22:45.32 | JeffM2501 | it restartes every hour |
| 22:45.34 | JeffM2501 | it's not down |
| 22:45.37 | I_Died_Once | I think back to that movie "wargames" when the general said "Hell, I'd piss on a sparkplug if I thought it'd do any good" |
| 22:45.39 | JeffM2501 | it's probably geting nailed |
| 22:45.58 | JeffM2501 | we have been having a DDoS atack |
| 22:46.06 | JeffM2501 | yesterday and probably today |
| 22:46.19 | I_Died_Once | who'd y'all piss off this time? |
| 22:46.27 | JeffM2501 | dono |
| 22:46.37 | JeffM2501 | it was a botnet from what I understood |
| 22:46.41 | L4m3r | probably just some jerk who reads... knows we're on a weaker server |
| 22:46.43 | JeffM2501 | bout 700 machines |
| 22:46.49 | JeffM2501 | weaker? |
| 22:46.55 | A_Meteorite | heh, even 100 machines would do it in |
| 22:46.56 | JeffM2501 | why do you way we are on a "weaker" server? |
| 22:47.01 | L4m3r | well, slower/less BW/whatever |
| 22:47.02 | JeffM2501 | it's about the same speed as the old one |
| 22:47.05 | JeffM2501 | same bandwith |
| 22:47.14 | JeffM2501 | they are both datacenter machines |
| 22:47.22 | JeffM2501 | we are on a 2.5 gig celly IIRC |
| 22:47.23 | *** join/#bzflag Tupone (n=Tupone@pdpc/supporter/active/Tupone) |
| 22:47.23 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v Tupone] by ChanServ |
| 22:47.28 | JeffM2501 | nid was a 2.4 gig or so |
| 22:47.47 | L4m3r | what about the mysql issue? just a configuration problem? |
| 22:47.52 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:47.57 | JeffM2501 | we changed OSs |
| 22:48.04 | JeffM2501 | we are on bsd now |
| 22:48.09 | JeffM2501 | so somethings work difrently |
| 22:48.12 | L4m3r | oh |
| 22:48.19 | CBG | JeffM2501: I found a /date/BuildDate.cxx but no Date.cxx :( |
| 22:48.29 | JeffM2501 | but somone has been opening 70k conections |
| 22:48.32 | JeffM2501 | CBG, yeah that |
| 22:48.48 | CBG | Ok. |
| 22:49.13 | CBG | I see # define BZ_PROTO_VERSION"0026" |
| 22:49.14 | CBG | but that is clearly commented out. |
| 22:49.21 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 22:49.26 | JeffM2501 | # is not a comment in C |
| 22:49.31 | JeffM2501 | it's a directive |
| 22:49.33 | CBG | oh, right. ok. |
| 22:49.41 | JeffM2501 | just change he first 0 to a 9 |
| 22:49.48 | JeffM2501 | and that's it |
| 22:49.51 | CBG | so I would just change that to 0.36 to get the 2.1 server list? |
| 22:50.02 | JeffM2501 | then 2.1 cliens would list you |
| 22:50.09 | JeffM2501 | and crash whey they conected to you |
| 22:50.17 | CBG | Oh, this is for the server only? |
| 22:50.19 | JeffM2501 | they are NOT seperate list servers |
| 22:50.20 | JeffM2501 | NO |
| 22:50.23 | JeffM2501 | it is the game proto |
| 22:50.31 | JeffM2501 | we only have 1 list server |
| 22:50.43 | spldart | speaking of ddos attacks somehow my living room 'read kids' computer was comprised... No scanner I had would find a problem yet it was doing tons of traffic on the lan/web... Had to reinstall to get it sorted out |
| 22:50.44 | JeffM2501 | we use the game proto to filter out games when a client lists them |
| 22:51.00 | spldart | Only other symptom was explorer.exe was always using alot of cpu |
| 22:51.13 | JeffM2501 | spldart, probalby cus it was part of a botnet :) |
| 22:51.17 | CBG | Ok, then I would SEE 2.1 servers on my list? (but wouldnt be able top play on them...) |
| 22:51.28 | JeffM2501 | if you used that client yes |
| 22:51.35 | CBG | k |
| 22:51.37 | JeffM2501 | cus the client woudl filter out all bug 36 |
| 22:51.42 | JeffM2501 | but that would be pointless |
| 22:51.48 | CBG | yeah... |
| 22:52.16 | CBG | and changing this file will affect my bzflag and bzfs builds? |
| 22:52.33 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 22:52.42 | JeffM2501 | it's used by both |
| 22:52.59 | JeffM2501 | well all 3 |
| 22:53.02 | JeffM2501 | bzadmin too |
| 22:53.14 | brad2901 | seems server list is back up... lots of servers are missing though |
| 22:53.15 | CBG | Do you have any issue with me doing this? Running a "Cheat" or "Mod" server with 9026 protocol and advertising it to "modders" on the bzbb? |
| 22:53.38 | JeffM2501 | you can run the server, but don't use bzbb |
| 22:53.52 | CBG | Then how will anyone find it? |
| 22:53.55 | JeffM2501 | that's up to you |
| 22:54.06 | JeffM2501 | we will not condone or disallow it |
| 22:54.29 | CBG | But... If it's on the 9026 protocol.. |
| 22:54.42 | JeffM2501 | but if you put it on bzbb, then we will seem to be cononing cheating |
| 22:54.46 | JeffM2501 | condoneing |
| 22:54.50 | JeffM2501 | however it's spelled :) |
| 22:54.59 | JeffM2501 | CBG, the average user wont' see the difrent |
| 22:55.15 | CBG | I see. Can I set up a Modding forum and link to that? Or is that the same? |
| 22:55.24 | JeffM2501 | how woudl you "link" to it? |
| 22:55.32 | CBG | I don't wanna p!ss anyone off here. |
| 22:55.39 | CBG | JeffM2501: anyway that you would be happy with. |
| 22:55.56 | JeffM2501 | if you made your own forums you could do a post that says you were seting up a moders thing, and put the link to it |
| 22:56.01 | JeffM2501 | don't say "cheat" |
| 22:56.06 | CBG | yeha, ok. |
| 22:56.13 | JeffM2501 | or "god mode" or anything |
| 22:56.27 | CBG | Right. |
| 22:56.29 | JeffM2501 | just that it's for bzflag modifications and runs on it's own incomatable system. |
| 22:56.35 | JeffM2501 | and then do the rest in your forums |
| 22:56.38 | JeffM2501 | that would be fine |
| 22:56.44 | CBG | Ok. Sure. I may just do that, depends if I find time... |
| 22:56.54 | A_Meteorite | Mods sound so much... cleaner... than cheat. :) |
| 22:56.57 | JeffM2501 | best would also be to not use the word cheat in any server descriotiosn |
| 22:57.01 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:57.06 | CBG | sure |
| 22:57.14 | JeffM2501 | everyone knows of quake mods :) |
| 22:57.41 | JeffM2501 | if you wanted I could even help you get a source package set up |
| 22:57.53 | Mr_Molez | JeffM2501: but you dont care if the name cheat is on the server list cuz its not the official list right ? |
| 22:57.58 | JeffM2501 | and I can change the internal guts for you so its' realy incompatable :) |
| 22:58.06 | JeffM2501 | Mr_Molez, I would prefer it to not be |
| 22:58.20 | JeffM2501 | but I woudl not have much cause to do anything if one pops up |
| 22:58.20 | Mr_Molez | JeffM2501: but you wont stop people on that list though right ? |
| 22:58.23 | CBG | JeffM2501: source package? different to the regular source...? |
| 22:58.31 | JeffM2501 | I would bug them a lot :) |
| 22:58.32 | Mr_Molez | ok :) |
| 22:58.36 | JeffM2501 | and be less inclined to help them |
| 22:58.38 | blast007 | CBG: base it on 1.7 ;) |
| 22:58.39 | JeffM2501 | or the mod project |
| 22:58.50 | JeffM2501 | CBG, yes |
| 22:58.58 | JeffM2501 | one that is allready moded with your proto version |
| 22:59.03 | CBG | I see... |
| 22:59.05 | JeffM2501 | so your other moders can use it as a base |
| 22:59.15 | JeffM2501 | and not have to change the proto and stuff |
| 22:59.22 | JeffM2501 | make it easyer for them to get started |
| 22:59.34 | JeffM2501 | also hides what you'd have to do to make the cheats on the live version |
| 22:59.38 | JeffM2501 | a little |
| 23:00.10 | CBG | yeah, sweet. |
| 23:00.18 | CBG | you'd put that on sf.net? |
| 23:00.21 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 23:00.25 | JeffM2501 | but I can get it hosted |
| 23:00.33 | CBG | Well, so could I, i hope. |
| 23:00.44 | JeffM2501 | beta.bzflag.bz/moders/ |
| 23:00.53 | CBG | Oh, cool. |
| 23:01.09 | JeffM2501 | brlcad was kind enough to set me up with webspace :) |
| 23:01.33 | CBG | ~brlcad++ |
| 23:01.36 | CBG | ~JeffM2501++ |
| 23:01.43 | A_Meteorite | heh |
| 23:01.47 | JeffM2501 | the word cheat makes many people mad |
| 23:01.50 | spldart | LOL... had to show my 14 y/o how to change fstab so she could play her mp3's in linux :) |
| 23:01.55 | JeffM2501 | that's why I'd rather see "mod" instead |
| 23:02.03 | JeffM2501 | that way there is less confusion |
| 23:02.25 | CBG | sure, I'm happy with "Mod". |
| 23:02.39 | Aribeth | spldart, just add her to the cdrom group |
| 23:02.40 | L4m3r | spldart: you raise your kids with linux? |
| 23:02.49 | JeffM2501 | if it does become a problem on the mainline servers, like the cheats get out in compatable form, or start bleeding over, we will have to disallow it tho |
| 23:02.51 | CBG | I'd make a "ghetto" version where all the wording is changed. |
| 23:03.00 | spldart | All my kids have windowsxp/linux dual boots now |
| 23:03.05 | spldart | 5 of 'em |
| 23:03.09 | L4m3r | You are my hero. :D |
| 23:03.12 | A_Meteorite | spldart: do they know how to use Linux? |
| 23:03.12 | spldart | hehe |
| 23:03.13 | *** join/#bzflag Tropican8 (n=Tropican@c-69-253-236-235.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) |
| 23:03.18 | CBG | Sure, if it is a problem I can just take down my forum and server. |
| 23:03.19 | spldart | they are slowly learning |
| 23:03.31 | A_Meteorite | Heh, I have lots of friends who don't even know what a command-line is... truly sad. |
| 23:03.35 | spldart | the girls definitely are less interested than the youngest.. a boy |
| 23:03.39 | A_Meteorite | ah |
| 23:03.41 | Aribeth | well, take those smoldering windows away :P |
| 23:04.02 | spldart | I'm trying to teach them to be versatle |
| 23:04.07 | spldart | versatile :x |
| 23:04.09 | JeffM2501 | A_Meteorite, the average user dosn't NEED the command line |
| 23:04.14 | JeffM2501 | so it's not sad |
| 23:04.21 | JeffM2501 | it's kinda sad that you push your ideas on them :) |
| 23:04.26 | A_Meteorite | lol |
| 23:04.33 | JeffM2501 | most users check mail, chat, and play a game or 3 |
| 23:04.37 | Tropican8 | actually most 'power users' don't even need the command line |
| 23:04.39 | JeffM2501 | who needs a command line for that |
| 23:04.43 | L4m3r | The average user is rather helpless, which is rather sad I think |
| 23:04.44 | spldart | I'm pushing auto and bike mechanics on them too :p |
| 23:04.51 | JeffM2501 | L4m3r, compared to you sure, |
| 23:05.10 | Mr_Molez | whats a commandline ? |
| 23:05.15 | JeffM2501 | but you'd be "helpless" compared to a person who builds bridges |
| 23:05.25 | JeffM2501 | "heh, he dosn't even know what a swingline coupling is" |
| 23:05.26 | Aribeth | give me a command line or give me death |
| 23:05.28 | L4m3r | it wouldn't be that bad if it weren't for the fact that "support" people charge an assload of money |
| 23:05.33 | spldart | meh |
| 23:05.36 | Tropican8 | well as long as their gui lacks a start button, I think avg. joe is fine IMHO |
| 23:05.39 | spldart | everyone uses a computer |
| 23:05.44 | spldart | not everyone buidls a bridge |
| 23:05.44 | spldart | hehe |
| 23:05.45 | L4m3r | I don't own or maintain any bridges, do I? :P |
| 23:05.49 | JeffM2501 | comptuers are cheap enough, when they break you replace them |
| 23:06.01 | JeffM2501 | not many people fix there own cars now |
| 23:06.01 | spldart | yikes.. You get paid more than I then |
| 23:06.10 | spldart | I service all my auto's |
| 23:06.13 | JeffM2501 | you do |
| 23:06.15 | spldart | including the new one |
| 23:06.17 | spldart | s |
| 23:06.17 | JeffM2501 | but how many other people do? |
| 23:06.26 | Aribeth | old computers never die, they just get rebuilt |
| 23:06.28 | spldart | I have an advantage on those peeps |
| 23:06.33 | Tropican8 | and ironically how many honest mechanics are there? |
| 23:06.37 | spldart | lol aribeth |
| 23:06.44 | JeffM2501 | spldart, in cars sure, but I'm sure they have advantages in other things :) |
| 23:06.47 | spldart | true that Tropican8 |
| 23:06.47 | L4m3r | I'm not great with cars, but I can use a service manual to do little stuff when it's needed and save a couple hundred bucks, you know? |
| 23:06.56 | JeffM2501 | my dad builds and fixes his own airplanes. do you? ;) |
| 23:07.06 | L4m3r | I don't own any airplanes :P |
| 23:07.18 | JeffM2501 | some people don't mind paying to fix computers, they know its' done "right" |
| 23:07.21 | spldart | I also plumb, wire, install, sheetrock, roof, technecian etc etc etc |
| 23:07.25 | L4m3r | Tropican8: same goes for a lot of computer technicians |
| 23:07.26 | JeffM2501 | and they don't have to waste the time |
| 23:07.33 | Tropican8 | true lamer |
| 23:07.35 | JeffM2501 | you should be happy for that, cus you could get into that line and make moeny :) |
| 23:07.46 | L4m3r | I hate that line of work. |
| 23:07.55 | JeffM2501 | but at least it's an option |
| 23:08.01 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 23:08.02 | JeffM2501 | if you were in the world and could not get any other job |
| 23:08.06 | L4m3r | I mean, the work isn't that bad |
| 23:08.08 | JeffM2501 | and it paid the bills |
| 23:08.15 | L4m3r | it's the way the "industry" is |
| 23:08.25 | spldart | so my house, cars and computers cost much less for it... and my dollar stretches much farther than that poor dolt who works his arse off to pay some blue collar worker to come in and service his car,house etc |
| 23:08.44 | JeffM2501 | spldart, but you spend more time doing it |
| 23:08.53 | JeffM2501 | then the "dolt" |
| 23:09.01 | JeffM2501 | the dolt is out doing things he likes |
| 23:09.01 | spldart | nope |
| 23:09.09 | JeffM2501 | so you can fix a car in 0 time? |
| 23:09.11 | JeffM2501 | impresive |
| 23:09.20 | L4m3r | charge ridiculous amounts for tiny services, ream people for things over and over instead of teaching the proverbial man how to fish |
| 23:09.25 | JeffM2501 | the dolt drops it off, gets a rental and is done |
| 23:09.25 | Tropican8 | Hey Jeff is there a secret way all the bigger servers are staying on the listserver when it goes down? or is everyone restarting? (not to change the subject) |
| 23:09.26 | spldart | dolt pays mechanic 50 bux and hour to change part on car... I change the part in 45 minutes |
| 23:09.38 | spldart | I teach my kids how to change part on car at the same time |
| 23:09.39 | JeffM2501 | Tropican8, dono |
| 23:09.45 | spldart | kids and I are richer |
| 23:09.47 | Tropican8 | thx |
| 23:10.02 | L4m3r | that's what I hate about the business... it's all about money, not about help, anymore |
| 23:10.13 | blast007 | Tropican8: an update is sent when a player joins or leaves, so if the list is cleared, busy servers will update quicker |
| 23:10.16 | JeffM2501 | L4m3r, we live in a $based world |
| 23:10.20 | JeffM2501 | change the wirld fist |
| 23:10.22 | L4m3r | *sigh* |
| 23:10.24 | Tropican8 | ah thx blast |
| 23:10.25 | blast007 | otherwise it's ever 30 minutes per update |
| 23:10.37 | JeffM2501 | then you can complain about the "industry" |
| 23:10.38 | Tropican8 | makes sense wit what I'm seeing |
| 23:10.51 | *** join/#bzflag YOURDEAD (n=4577f049@zeebrothers.net) |
| 23:11.20 | spldart | meh... besides... I do a better job than the average serviceman IMO |
| 23:11.22 | Tropican8 | by the way $30-100 is the going rate for a guitar setup. And I can say, the work in it is worth barely $5 |
| 23:11.39 | spldart | And I fix electronics for a living so that's from an experience point of view |
| 23:11.42 | JeffM2501 | then do it yourself :) |
| 23:11.50 | spldart | if you guys could see some of the stuff I do :-0 |
| 23:12.24 | Tropican8 | extreme do-it-yourselfers blow stuff up though |
| 23:12.31 | JeffM2501 | yup |
| 23:12.32 | spldart | not I said the fly |
| 23:13.02 | L4m3r | I think part of it is also that people have been taught to be afraid of getting their hands dirty |
| 23:13.06 | JeffM2501 | mr. "I've had to fix the sewer line 3 times" |
| 23:13.22 | JeffM2501 | or they just don't care to |
| 23:13.22 | spldart | who had to 3 times? |
| 23:13.25 | JeffM2501 | if they make the money |
| 23:13.29 | Tropican8 | its the time vs money thing I think |
| 23:13.30 | JeffM2501 | who cares how they spend it |
| 23:13.34 | L4m3r | most people don't... |
| 23:13.41 | CBG | I hate getting my hands dirty. I hate gardening work, I hate shovelling s***... etc |
| 23:13.42 | JeffM2501 | some do some down't |
| 23:13.51 | JeffM2501 | eveyrone has to deal with what they can and can not afford |
| 23:14.11 | JeffM2501 | the service industrys pace themselves, if they charge too much they don't get customers |
| 23:14.20 | JeffM2501 | so they work out what people will pay |
| 23:14.23 | spldart | that's true |
| 23:14.38 | JeffM2501 | there isn't any magic to it, or evil, it's just suply and demand |
| 23:14.54 | Tropican8 | ironically its good for the economy though |
| 23:14.54 | L4m3r | and a good mixture of customer ignorance :) |
| 23:15.07 | spldart | I do live WAY beyond my means by being an effective do it youselfer |
| 23:15.28 | JeffM2501 | no, that's just hiring the cheapest quality of people you can get away with |
| 23:15.37 | JeffM2501 | and the fact that most workers don't give a crap about there jobs |
| 23:15.47 | Tropican8 | Well that defeats about 1/2 the point spldart |
| 23:15.47 | JeffM2501 | no company makes money by wasting it |
| 23:15.57 | spldart | a .4 mile radius around me is homes from 125 to 400k... but that would not be possible on my income without being a very effective diy'er |
| 23:16.15 | JeffM2501 | so you turn time into money |
| 23:16.19 | L4m3r | spldart: it's hard to be extreme because of the time factor, but yes |
| 23:16.25 | JeffM2501 | some like to turn money into time |
| 23:16.49 | JeffM2501 | I pay for engine work now |
| 23:16.52 | JeffM2501 | I know how to do it |
| 23:16.59 | JeffM2501 | I just don't want to waste the weekend |
| 23:17.04 | L4m3r | but there's a point at which things are so simple (given just a touch of knowhow) that save time AND money when done yourself |
| 23:17.06 | spldart | mmmmMMMMmmm I can build a bad arse engine :-p |
| 23:17.10 | spldart | Bikes and cars |
| 23:17.33 | JeffM2501 | paying somone 250$ to do an alternator is fine with me |
| 23:17.38 | JeffM2501 | cus that sucker is a pain on my truck |
| 23:17.43 | spldart | I guess it may be my hands on project minded point of view |
| 23:17.44 | JeffM2501 | but I'll do my own oil changes |
| 23:17.49 | L4m3r | for instance, you can spend a few hours and change your oil yourself, or be carless for a day or two and pay out the ass... |
| 23:17.54 | Tropican8 | If I had 5mil, I would do absolutly nothing but sit and drink tropical drinks all day. Everyone wants a taste of that luxury, no matter how small |
| 23:17.56 | spldart | I get strong sense of satisfaction building and repairing my stuff |
| 23:18.06 | L4m3r | in that case it's very nice to know how to change your oil :) |
| 23:18.07 | JeffM2501 | L4m3r, oil changes are 24$ |
| 23:18.14 | JeffM2501 | whopty do |
| 23:18.34 | JeffM2501 | spldart, that is because you have turned it into your hobby :) |
| 23:18.40 | JeffM2501 | so to you it's not 'wasted" time |
| 23:18.42 | spldart | oil changes sometimes cost damage to your car... I've had them strip the bolt and a friend had his motor blown cuz they forgot to put the drain bolt back in |
| 23:18.46 | JeffM2501 | for me I'd rather be doing other things |
| 23:18.49 | Tropican8 | Like it is expected that a graduate from a high-level school does white-collar work |
| 23:19.01 | spldart | I can always know it's done right if I do it myself... but that'/s just me |
| 23:19.01 | Tropican8 | working in a garage becomes a 'pastime' |
| 23:19.26 | spldart | that would be my point... |
| 23:19.27 | L4m3r | spldart: the doofus techs at Power Hyundai somehow torqued one of the lugnuts on my car when they PDI'd it |
| 23:19.43 | Aribeth | i had the carb rebuilt 1 year ago....hasnt worked right since |
| 23:19.55 | L4m3r | a year later when we rotated my tires the first time, we had some serious trouble... |
| 23:20.00 | JeffM2501 | Aribeth, but could you have done it youself? |
| 23:20.01 | spldart | I once spent many a weekend on a old dodge dart just peeking out the gas mileage |
| 23:20.03 | *** part/#bzflag Tropican8 (n=Tropican@c-69-253-236-235.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) |
| 23:20.08 | spldart | topped it out at 30.54 MPG |
| 23:20.21 | Aribeth | yes, but i was moving so i had it done |
| 23:20.29 | Aribeth | worst decision i ever made |
| 23:20.29 | L4m3r | had we not been doing it at my dad's work, we would not have been able to get the lugnut off |
| 23:20.36 | spldart | rockets are very cool |
| 23:20.38 | spldart | :P) |
| 23:20.46 | spldart | what size motors do you work with? |
| 23:21.08 | JeffM2501 | I'm gonna try making my own soon |
| 23:21.28 | spldart | ah |
| 23:21.32 | spldart | It's a blast |
| 23:21.36 | L4m3r | Power Hyundai also took a week to replace the brake light switch in my poor car |
| 23:21.56 | L4m3r | but, a hyundai dealer in LA... :\ |
| 23:22.11 | L4m3r | business isn't exactly scarce there |
| 23:22.17 | brlcad | the new apache process settings seem to be considerably spiffier |
| 23:22.30 | CBG | JeffM2501: would I be likely to get modders.bzflag.org or not? |
| 23:22.45 | brlcad | holding a higher load with less cpu usage it seems |
| 23:22.56 | L4m3r | we used to have a 70something cutlass |
| 23:23.00 | JeffM2501 | cbg no |
| 23:23.10 | CBG | hmm, ok. |
| 23:23.23 | L4m3r | good old copper-colored $500 gas hog. |
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| 23:23.32 | CBG | This is starting to look a little costly. :/ |
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| 23:24.05 | brad2901 | costly, in what way? |
| 23:24.33 | Aribeth | hi Tupone |
| 23:24.42 | Tupone | hi Ari |
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| 23:28.26 | CBG | brad2901: i would need to upgrade hosting, get a domain, etc |
| 23:28.37 | CBG | I could use a subdomain, but, bzmodders.com would be sweet :) |
| 23:28.38 | brad2901 | ah k |
| 23:28.56 | CBG | but, 'cause you rock, no need to upgrade hosting right now. |
| 23:31.22 | spldart | bzzt |
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| 23:38.46 | lan56 | I've noticed that bzbb has a new bug: whenever I use the quick response thing (havent tried with the full response page) and press submit, my browser (firefox latest version) says "waiting for bzbb.bzflag.org..." inifintely, yet I check back later and find that my post went through but I didnt see a confirmation page |
| 23:39.03 | lan56 | so the bug is that the post goes through but it can't connect to the confirmation page |
| 23:39.26 | lan56 | its been doing this only since the server moved |
| 23:40.12 | Aribeth | i've had the same problem |
| 23:40.35 | lan56 | has it also been forgeting to auto log you in when you first arrive? |
| 23:40.52 | Aribeth | i havn't noticed |
| 23:43.29 | lan56 | k |
| 23:43.33 | lan56 | might just be my problem |
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| 23:44.43 | Aribeth | howdy jeffMm2501 |
| 23:44.53 | JeffM2501 | hi |
| 23:45.07 | JeffM2501 | I hate it when the debuger crashes :( |
| 23:45.13 | Aribeth | ohh |
| 23:45.54 | JeffM2501 | oh my |
| 23:45.56 | Aribeth | er...everquest |
| 23:46.00 | JeffM2501 | going for the big leauges |
| 23:46.04 | Aribeth | duno |
| 23:46.05 | JeffM2501 | where did you get a windows machine? |
| 23:46.10 | Aribeth | hehe |
| 23:46.13 | JeffM2501 | it can be fun |
| 23:46.16 | JeffM2501 | it's a resource HOG |
| 23:46.22 | Aribeth | i have a couple disks |
| 23:46.29 | JeffM2501 | but then it's allso damn purdy on good hardware |
| 23:46.49 | Aribeth | geforce 5200 |
| 23:47.01 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 23:47.03 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:47.05 | JeffM2501 | um... |
| 23:47.07 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:47.15 | JeffM2501 | it's gonna look like ass |
| 23:47.18 | Aribeth | not too bad |
| 23:47.35 | JeffM2501 | yeah that is kinda a bad card |
| 23:47.41 | Aribeth | my geforce 6600gt is in the linux box |
| 23:48.25 | Aribeth | it all i got right now |
| 23:49.23 | Aribeth | i could prolly swap the cards though |
| 23:49.50 | Aribeth | only 3D stuff i do on the linux box is runescape |
| 23:50.56 | spldart | crap... was going to play some BZ but somebody is downloading on another machine... lag to high :( |
| 23:51.21 | Aribeth | thats what happens with 5 kids :P |
| 23:51.26 | spldart | yep |
| 23:52.09 | L4m3r | don't think of them as people lagging your net... think of them as an excuse to get a T1 >:D |
| 23:52.31 | Aribeth | oh man at 500.00 per month? |
| 23:52.34 | spldart | getting to where 5 down 355 up isn't enough anymore |
| 23:52.42 | spldart | can't afford that 8-0 |
| 23:53.45 | JeffM2501 | umm I had 2 6600's and it ran like ass |
| 23:53.59 | Aribeth | ran poor? |
| 23:54.07 | JeffM2501 | you'll have to run in the lower qualitys |
| 23:54.09 | JeffM2501 | and lower reses |
| 23:54.18 | Aribeth | ahh |
| 23:54.26 | JeffM2501 | that game on the best quality needs at least a card wtih 512megs of texture ram |
| 23:54.32 | L4m3r | yeah, you can't even max out GTA with a 6600GT |
| 23:54.32 | JeffM2501 | preferably 2 of them |
| 23:54.34 | Aribeth | i wonder how my geforce 6600 would work |
| 23:54.41 | JeffM2501 | it would work better |
| 23:54.48 | spldart | My god that's spoiled for game res quality |
| 23:54.53 | JeffM2501 | but you'd still be on like one of the low meioum |
| 23:55.01 | Aribeth | ya |
| 23:55.07 | JeffM2501 | spldart, it's looks beautiful like that |
| 23:55.18 | JeffM2501 | it's got modes that run on lower hardware |
| 23:55.27 | JeffM2501 | they just took the high end into account too |
| 23:55.36 | JeffM2501 | Aribeth, how much ram? |
| 23:55.43 | Aribeth | 512 |
| 23:55.45 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 23:55.45 | Aribeth | :( |
| 23:55.47 | JeffM2501 | um yeah |
| 23:55.54 | spldart | If I want beautiful I'll take my carbine out into the REAL nature and shoot something ;-p LOL |
| 23:55.57 | JeffM2501 | well you'll hit the disk :) |
| 23:56.00 | Aribeth | 2.4 ghz cpu |
| 23:56.06 | JeffM2501 | cpu should be fine |
| 23:56.13 | JeffM2501 | eq2 likes about a1.2 gigs |
| 23:56.18 | Aribeth | ahh |
| 23:56.26 | JeffM2501 | spldart, you don't get phat loot in the real world tho :) |
| 23:56.35 | spldart | LOL |
| 23:56.36 | Aribeth | well, im gona try it out |
| 23:56.40 | JeffM2501 | Aribeth, now WoW, would run fine on your setup |
| 23:56.52 | Aribeth | duno if i can actualy aford to play it for long |
| 23:56.59 | JeffM2501 | Aribeth, when you get in, if I'm on let me know what server, I can join you :) |
| 23:57.08 | Aribeth | ahh |
| 23:57.17 | spldart | Let me guess. My 9800 pro should be BZFlag only now it's so old :( |
| 23:57.18 | JeffM2501 | asuming my subs are still valid |
| 23:57.20 | Aribeth | i was gona ask you about servers |
| 23:57.45 | JeffM2501 | I think I'm on nektulos or lavastorm |
| 23:57.50 | JeffM2501 | don't do the pvp servers |
| 23:58.04 | Aribeth | oh i wont...i dont care for pvp |
| 23:58.09 | JeffM2501 | I should have a bunch of stuff I can twink you out with :) |
| 23:58.22 | JeffM2501 | spldart, no you can run many older games with that |
| 23:58.22 | Aribeth | ahh..cool |
| 23:58.31 | JeffM2501 | or like wow, wow runs fine on a 9800 |
| 23:58.48 | JeffM2501 | tho you have to not laugh at my thighs |
| 23:59.29 | Aribeth | well, who knows...if i do play i may look weird...who knows |
| 23:59.43 | JeffM2501 | the models are prety cool looking |
| 23:59.44 | Aribeth | i am partial to elves |
| 23:59.47 | JeffM2501 | specialy the new soga ones |
| 23:59.52 | JeffM2501 | they do some good elves |
| 23:59.52 | Aribeth | ahh |
| 23:59.57 | JeffM2501 | you'll have to pick good or evil |
