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| 02:49.58 | RPG_ | when i do ./configure, i get this: |
| 02:50.09 | RPG_ | BZFlag-2.0.6.20060507 with the following: |
| 02:50.09 | RPG_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:50.09 | RPG_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:50.09 | RPG_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:50.09 | RPG_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:50.11 | RPG_ | garrett@garrett:~/Desktop/bzflag-2.0.6$ |
| 02:50.14 | RPG_ | why doesn't it build the client? |
| 02:51.58 | RPG_ | i have SDL and libcurl |
| 02:52.05 | RPG_ | os: Ubuntu linux |
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| 03:02.05 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: just a friendly reminder, reminding you to test the "everyone goes NR when you are observing" feature |
| 03:03.25 | blast007 | TheRedBaron: A_Meteorite duplicated the issue on Mac OS X with a DLink router |
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| 03:03.41 | blast007 | and fixed it by bypassing the router |
| 03:03.49 | blast007 | so it's definately an issue with the router |
| 03:03.54 | TheRedBaron | how about linksys? |
| 03:04.03 | TheRedBaron | can anyone duplicate it with a linksys? |
| 03:04.03 | blast007 | I have a linksys, and have never had that issue |
| 03:04.09 | TheRedBaron | odd |
| 03:04.11 | RPG_ | i second that |
| 03:04.24 | Theme97 | I third that...? |
| 03:04.27 | JeffM2501 | TheRedBaron, your late |
| 03:04.28 | TheRedBaron | must be because I have an old linksys |
| 03:04.28 | blast007 | I've probably idled for two hours as observer :) |
| 03:04.54 | JeffM2501 | is the router |
| 03:05.01 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: A wizard is never late - nor is he early - he arrives precisely when he means to |
| 03:05.01 | JeffM2501 | it's not a windows problem ether |
| 03:05.08 | JeffM2501 | yeah whatever |
| 03:05.08 | blast007 | TheRedBaron: what linksys router? |
| 03:05.27 | JeffM2501 | I can't dupe it |
| 03:05.31 | JeffM2501 | had somone dupe it on a mac |
| 03:05.39 | JeffM2501 | I put a thing in to try to fix it |
| 03:05.40 | TheRedBaron | :) |
| 03:05.46 | JeffM2501 | but it didn't work |
| 03:05.50 | JeffM2501 | you just have a crap router |
| 03:06.10 | TheRedBaron | w00t |
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| 03:08.21 | A_Meteorite_ | crap router... ew. :P |
| 03:08.38 | A_Meteorite_ | argh |
| 03:08.40 | A_Meteorite_ | old nick |
| 03:08.43 | Theme97 | lol |
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| 07:59.33 | Mr_Molez | ubuntu is a pain in the ass |
| 07:59.57 | L4m3r | What makes it so much better than Debian? |
| 08:00.06 | L4m3r | It seems to have a cult following... |
| 08:00.29 | Mr_Molez | i prefer debian |
| 08:00.59 | L4m3r | I wonder why everyone else likes it :P |
| 08:01.04 | L4m3r | not that I've used either |
| 08:01.18 | Mr_Molez | it is probably because it got alot of hype at the beginning and people forgot to realise it sucks |
| 08:01.27 | L4m3r | lol |
| 08:01.53 | Manu | Mr_Molez, I use ubuntu and no problem |
| 08:02.08 | Manu | probably is not ubuntu, it's you ;) |
| 08:02.23 | Mr_Molez | nah, its ubuntu :) |
| 08:03.04 | Mr_Molez | although half the cd being scratched (so alot of packages didn't get installed) and with updating to dapper probably didn't make it easy for me |
| 08:03.21 | Manu | probably your cd is corrupted :) |
| 08:04.12 | Mr_Molez | well i managed to get my gfx drivers working, i guess that is a plus point |
| 08:04.30 | Manu | it isn't difficult |
| 08:04.43 | Mr_Molez | and what is with the sudo thing ? any user can run root stuff |
| 08:05.00 | Manu | sudo is to execute commands with root premissons |
| 08:05.10 | Manu | then no need a root account |
| 08:05.20 | Manu | but if you prefer root, you can enable it too |
| 08:05.27 | Mr_Molez | yeh but u can use a normal account's password to execute root stuff that sucks |
| 08:05.47 | Manu | you only need sudo passwd |
| 08:06.00 | Manu | then after you enter the password you have a root account |
| 08:06.01 | Mr_Molez | yeh ive already made a root passwd :P |
| 08:06.03 | Manu | but you don't need it |
| 08:06.35 | Manu | you also can do: sudo bash |
| 08:06.43 | Manu | then you get a root terminal |
| 08:06.52 | Manu | not so difficult ;) |
| 08:06.55 | Mr_Molez | gona start X.. /me waits for a crash |
| 08:07.02 | Manu | but I doubt you need a root account |
| 08:07.07 | Manu | I never used it in ubuntu |
| 08:07.58 | Manu | but this is out of topic :-p |
| 08:14.34 | Manu | or 0.1.. don't remember :) |
| 08:14.57 | Manu | it was long time ago |
| 08:21.59 | Mr_Molez | :D |
| 08:22.52 | Mr_Molez | did crash btw ;) |
| 08:25.57 | Manu | crashed? wow |
| 08:26.08 | Manu | I don't remember the last linux crash :-p |
| 08:28.36 | Mr_Molez | i need a fresh install |
| 08:28.48 | Mr_Molez | Manu: do you know how to get an iso to boot from grub ? |
| 08:28.56 | Mr_Molez | so u dont need to burn the iso to a cd |
| 08:29.22 | L4m3r | you could always dd it to a drive, right? |
| 08:32.17 | Manu | Mr_Molez, never tried it, I use Qemu for those kinds of tests |
| 08:32.35 | Manu | qemu isoimage |
| 08:32.44 | Mr_Molez | oh i found a cd nevermind :P |
| 08:33.17 | Manu | using Qemu you don't need to reboot your pc to test it |
| 08:33.35 | Manu | qemu+kqemu |
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| 16:08.10 | Nidhoggr | secretplace is back up on port 5355 with spiralszone map. |
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| 16:53.48 | Alex135 | JeffM2501, is the image server working well enough to have images uploading again? |
| 16:54.18 | JeffM2501 | it's working |
| 16:54.36 | JeffM2501 | but I'm waiting for someone to finish the image submision system |
| 16:54.43 | JeffM2501 | and claim there prize |
| 16:55.15 | Alex135 | lol |
| 16:56.35 | Alex135 | what prize? |
| 16:56.48 | menotume | ya, waht prize ?!?! |
| 16:57.00 | JeffM2501 | I've offers 25$ amazon gift cert, and IIRC brlcad is willing to match it |
| 16:57.12 | menotume | hehe |
| 16:57.19 | JeffM2501 | for an image upload and verification system that fits a spec |
| 16:57.24 | Alex135 | heh |
| 16:57.42 | menotume | spec ? |
| 16:57.48 | JeffM2501 | list of features |
| 16:57.54 | menotume | lol |
| 16:58.00 | menotume | i mean, you have a spec ? |
| 16:58.04 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 16:58.36 | menotume | ok :) |
| 16:58.55 | JeffM2501 | it was speced on IRC, but I can get it in text file format if anyone wants it |
| 16:59.06 | JeffM2501 | a_metiorite said he was working on it |
| 16:59.10 | menotume | ahh |
| 16:59.32 | menotume | make brlcad shell out more, and maybe i'll do it :P |
| 16:59.43 | JeffM2501 | what is a reasonalbe price? |
| 16:59.51 | menotume | dunno what's in the spec :) |
| 16:59.59 | a-delusionbz | maybe also binaryspike and quicktim |
| 17:00.03 | menotume | i can check irc logs, when was it ? |
| 17:00.12 | JeffM2501 | I can explain it to you |
| 17:00.14 | JeffM2501 | it's simple |
| 17:00.26 | JeffM2501 | it's a page where the user logs in with there global login |
| 17:00.26 | menotume | but, if someone else is doing it, shouldn't duplicate efforts |
| 17:00.45 | JeffM2501 | then fills out a form with the image files, author info, and license |
| 17:00.50 | JeffM2501 | it uploads it |
| 17:00.59 | JeffM2501 | menotume, I doubt he's "doing" it |
| 17:01.16 | JeffM2501 | then it should send an e-mail to the admins with ether a link to the images, or the images in the mail |
| 17:01.23 | JeffM2501 | the admins then hit a link to approve the image |
| 17:01.43 | JeffM2501 | and the system copies the files to the public images dir and sends the user an e-mail with the URL |
| 17:01.46 | JeffM2501 | that's it |
| 17:01.54 | Alex135 | heh... i guess u cant count on anything to be instant unles your an admin :P |
| 17:01.58 | menotume | more than one image per submission ? |
| 17:02.06 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 17:02.16 | JeffM2501 | but it can have some limit |
| 17:02.22 | JeffM2501 | cus they can just do it more then once |
| 17:03.13 | menotume | what does/should the public images section look like ? |
| 17:03.28 | JeffM2501 | that part we have allready |
| 17:03.34 | JeffM2501 | http://images.bzflag.org |
| 17:03.44 | JeffM2501 | I just want an automated way to get them in there |
| 17:03.46 | JeffM2501 | and approved |
| 17:04.16 | Alex135 | heh.. i can only emagin how long it took to get the forum code working :P |
| 17:04.18 | menotume | lloks like the public are could use some beefing up too |
| 17:04.55 | JeffM2501 | that would be optional |
| 17:05.00 | JeffM2501 | most users don't look at the pages |
| 17:05.06 | menotume | ahhh |
| 17:05.07 | JeffM2501 | but just let bzfs grab the images |
| 17:05.17 | Alex135 | yeah... seriously... i would do it and make it look grate... but i just dont have the time... and most people wouldn't like a 13 year old person working on there webpages |
| 17:05.20 | menotume | i could see maybe author/gallery name |
| 17:05.22 | JeffM2501 | Alex135, 2.5 min |
| 17:05.37 | JeffM2501 | the folders are suposed to be the authors name |
| 17:05.44 | menotume | yes |
| 17:06.20 | menotume | i'll give it some thought today |
| 17:06.55 | Alex135 | correction* the 1st leter of there 1st name and then there last name on the end |
| 17:07.02 | menotume | are the author names the same as bzbb login ? |
| 17:07.12 | menotume | ahh, so no |
| 17:07.14 | JeffM2501 | no, I want a real name |
| 17:07.25 | JeffM2501 | yeah at least first inital last name |
| 17:08.28 | menotume | ya, there should be subfolers |
| 17:08.33 | menotume | author/gallery |
| 17:08.44 | menotume | so, different 'info' could be provided |
| 17:08.55 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 17:09.06 | JeffM2501 | I'm just saying my minimum requirements :) |
| 17:09.09 | menotume | i mean what's there already could staty there |
| 17:09.11 | JeffM2501 | anything on top of that is cake :) |
| 17:09.13 | menotume | yep :) |
| 17:09.32 | menotume | and, the ability to edit existing info :) |
| 17:10.12 | JeffM2501 | well, only with aproval on that too |
| 17:10.16 | menotume | sure |
| 17:10.34 | menotume | on submission, it could grab the current info, give ability to edit it |
| 17:10.35 | JeffM2501 | http://jeffm.bakadigital.com/specs/image_submision_spec.txt |
| 17:11.07 | JeffM2501 | if a system like that was in place, image submisions would be very fast and very easy |
| 17:11.08 | menotume | The form must contain the following info.... |
| 17:11.16 | menotume | additional text box for misc info |
| 17:11.35 | JeffM2501 | like I say, that's my minimum, you can add more if you feel like it |
| 17:11.57 | menotume | yep :) |
| 17:12.27 | menotume | looks like probably a one-full-day job to me |
| 17:12.36 | Alex135 | brb |
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| 17:12.41 | JeffM2501 | and how much is that worth? |
| 17:12.47 | menotume | for me ? |
| 17:12.53 | menotume | not much :) |
| 17:12.55 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 17:14.05 | JeffM2501 | we were just trying to find ways to motivate people |
| 17:15.17 | brlcad | that image upload idea expands well to entire 'themes' |
| 17:15.26 | menotume | can we assume that the site will always be with bzbb ? ie: direct access to the db |
| 17:15.28 | JeffM2501 | and sounds too |
| 17:15.30 | brlcad | server-provided themes could be fun |
| 17:15.37 | brlcad | sounds are part of a theme |
| 17:15.47 | brlcad | (optionally) |
| 17:16.04 | JeffM2501 | menotume, there is some php code somewhere on how to do a login thru the list server |
| 17:16.14 | menotume | right, hence an author 'gallery' subdir |
| 17:16.14 | JeffM2501 | doing a token and verify like the game does |
| 17:16.21 | menotume | yes, i've used it |
| 17:16.26 | JeffM2501 | then you'd not have to tie right into the db |
| 17:16.29 | JeffM2501 | but it's up to you |
| 17:16.59 | menotume | just thinking about session requirements |
| 17:17.09 | JeffM2501 | it's one form |
| 17:17.14 | menotume | true |
| 17:17.17 | JeffM2501 | if they have to login each submision, whopty do |
| 17:17.22 | menotume | :) |
| 17:17.42 | JeffM2501 | I mean ulitmately it could be all part of the mainpage user system |
| 17:17.51 | JeffM2501 | like a module for the main CMS |
| 17:18.01 | menotume | ewwww, CMS |
| 17:18.17 | brlcad | ~slap menotume |
| 17:18.19 | ibot | ACTION slaps menotume, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
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| 17:19.11 | brlcad | none of them are spectacular, but many of them are better than reinventing the wheel from scratch |
| 17:20.09 | JeffM2501 | the only reason to reinvent the wheel is if your making the hovercar ;) |
| 17:20.30 | menotume | wellll |
| 17:20.48 | menotume | sometimes making a spoke for the wheel can be cumbersome |
| 17:21.20 | JeffM2501 | well sure, but then you make a new wheel using the mold of existing ones |
| 17:21.30 | JeffM2501 | thats refactoring the wheel |
| 17:21.33 | JeffM2501 | not inventing it again |
| 17:21.35 | menotume | ie: I looked at a CMS (silvercat uses it) that requires a freaking month just to understnd how to make a module |
| 17:21.47 | menotume | and, it stores HTML in a sql db |
| 17:21.52 | menotume | it's really bad |
| 17:22.00 | JeffM2501 | ok that's just dumb |
| 17:22.12 | brlcad | it's all just shades of bad when it's all unfamiliar |
| 17:22.45 | menotume | yes |
| 17:23.01 | menotume | or, when you spend the time to understand it, just to find out that it's crap |
| 17:23.16 | brlcad | most justify reinventing because today all they care about is X, whereas the implementation address X, Y, Z, and a few others that they dont' need (yet) |
| 17:23.40 | brlcad | which is somewhat flawed logic imo |
| 17:24.46 | menotume | sometimes you need W in your module, but can't do it |
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| 18:51.27 | I_Died_Once | JeffM2501: Is it possible to get groups with three mords, like for league teams? ex: MOFO.LEAGUE.TEAMNAME Is that too much or can it be done? |
| 18:51.51 | JeffM2501 | the name format isn't a limitation in the code |
| 18:51.54 | JeffM2501 | it's just how we do them |
| 18:52.01 | JeffM2501 | so yes, it's posible |
| 18:52.24 | JeffM2501 | it could be YOUR.MOMMA.WEARS.ARMY.BOOTS if you wanted |
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| 18:55.54 | I_Died_Once | if i requested a likewise group similar to that,w ould you really approve and create it? |
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| 18:56.23 | venox | hey, I'm experiencing some random freezes with bzflag |
| 18:56.44 | JeffM2501 | heh, not really I_Died_Once but once the user group creation system is in place, you coudl make it yourself ;) |
| 18:56.46 | venox | after one or two minutes playing the game, it just freezes my xorg server and I can't do anything but reset the computer |
| 18:56.58 | JeffM2501 | venox, wierd |
| 18:56.59 | venox | my gfx card is a riva tnt2 m64 32mb |
| 18:57.06 | JeffM2501 | ouch |
| 18:57.08 | I_Died_Once | that has disaster written all over it |
| 18:57.09 | Tupone | riva tnt2 ? |
| 18:57.10 | JeffM2501 | what drivers |
| 18:57.12 | venox | I'm running ubuntu, pentium 2 300mhz, 384mb ram |
| 18:57.22 | venox | I'm using the nvidia binary driver |
| 18:57.23 | broken_chaos | Same thing happens here, venox, but much less frequently (maybe once a week at most). |
| 18:57.25 | venox | (nvidia-legacy) |
| 18:57.33 | broken_chaos | Haven't figured out why yet... |
| 18:57.34 | JeffM2501 | I_Died_Once, why? groups are not seen by anyone other then there owners and the server |
| 18:57.41 | venox | Tupone: yep |
| 18:57.44 | venox | that's damn strange. |
| 18:57.58 | broken_chaos | Actually, it seems to be related to GLX usage, since it's done it in Neverwinter Nights too. |
| 18:57.59 | I_Died_Once | install the nvidia-glx driver, venox |
| 18:58.05 | venox | I'm not sure if this is bzflag fault |
| 18:58.18 | venox | nvidia-glx? that's the one I'm using, I think? |
| 18:58.21 | JeffM2501 | it runs fine on other systems |
| 18:58.27 | JeffM2501 | yes you are using it, for your legacy card |
| 18:58.32 | venox | yeah, I'm sure it does |
| 18:59.10 | JeffM2501 | if it kills X and the entire system then it's ether hardware or something deep down in the driver/kernel |
| 18:59.22 | JeffM2501 | is the card perhaps overheating under load? |
| 18:59.29 | venox | hmm |
| 18:59.33 | venox | I don't know if it's overheating |
| 18:59.40 | venox | well, I have a cooler on it |
| 18:59.50 | JeffM2501 | bz would try to push that little card as fast as it can go |
| 18:59.55 | JeffM2501 | asuming you have the CPU to feed it |
| 19:00.05 | venox | hm, my cpu is a pentium 2 300mhz |
| 19:00.07 | venox | kinda old |
| 19:00.07 | venox | hehe |
| 19:00.17 | JeffM2501 | "kinda" is an understatement |
| 19:01.33 | venox | anyway, it's old. |
| 19:01.43 | venox | :) |
| 19:01.47 | JeffM2501 | it's hard to say what your problem could be based on your info |
| 19:02.09 | venox | hmm |
| 19:02.26 | venox | any ideas on how can I track it? |
| 19:02.42 | JeffM2501 | hard to say |
| 19:03.04 | JeffM2501 | even if our code did lock or crash or get into a loop, it should not kill the rest of the OS |
| 19:03.14 | I_Died_Once | nah, i use Kubuntu and mine 'skip' ed on occasion like you're saying |
| 19:03.15 | I_Died_Once | try each of the different drivers THEN settle on the one that worked best |
| 19:03.15 | I_Died_Once | that, and you might wanna consider building from source (not use adept to install bzflag) |
| 19:03.17 | venox | hmm |
| 19:03.17 | JeffM2501 | what version of bzflag do you run? |
| 19:03.19 | I_Died_Once | when you restart your x server, do you see the nvidia logo? |
| 19:03.25 | I_Died_Once | ... |
| 19:03.27 | I_Died_Once | there ya have it |
| 19:03.31 | I_Died_Once | ok, i gotta go secure this guys wireless |
| 19:03.33 | I_Died_Once | later |
| 19:03.37 | venox | I'm not sure if I can access the system via ssh after the freeze, I'll try it later |
| 19:03.50 | venox | luiz@room:~$ bzflag -v |
| 19:03.51 | venox | BZFlag client 2.0.2.20050806-STABLE-linux-gnu-SDL (protocol 0026) http://BZFlag.org/ |
| 19:03.51 | JeffM2501 | try just hiting another terminal |
| 19:04.03 | venox | I can't do ctrl+alt+f1 after the freeze |
| 19:04.03 | JeffM2501 | ahh 0.2 |
| 19:04.11 | JeffM2501 | eww |
| 19:04.16 | JeffM2501 | well we have newer versions |
| 19:04.18 | JeffM2501 | 2.0.7 |
| 19:04.21 | venox | hm |
| 19:04.22 | JeffM2501 | .6 |
| 19:04.25 | JeffM2501 | and soon .8 |
| 19:04.28 | JeffM2501 | .7 is "beta" |
| 19:04.29 | JeffM2501 | ish |
| 19:04.35 | venox | ubuntu package is .2 |
| 19:04.37 | venox | :| |
| 19:04.38 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 19:04.41 | JeffM2501 | it's debian based |
| 19:04.52 | JeffM2501 | and debian stable kept what they had when sarge was released |
| 19:04.54 | JeffM2501 | last year |
| 19:05.16 | Tupone | venox: how may FPS you can do, when working? |
| 19:05.18 | JeffM2501 | so we move on, |
| 19:05.36 | venox | Tupone: hmm, I don't know... I can't play for much time hehe |
| 19:05.55 | venox | hmm, anywhere I can download the 2.0.6 .deb? |
| 19:06.03 | venox | *is there |
| 19:06.12 | JeffM2501 | it's in testing IIRC |
| 19:06.24 | JeffM2501 | so it'll be in apt under testing |
| 19:06.31 | JeffM2501 | or you can just build from source |
| 19:06.35 | Tupone | we have a limiter, dunno if is in 2.0, that can help if your board goes over temperature |
| 19:06.51 | JeffM2501 | I made a .7 debian yesterday too |
| 19:07.02 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, that was added in .4 IIRC |
| 19:07.12 | JeffM2501 | but it'll be a good thing to try if he gets newer code |
| 19:07.29 | JeffM2501 | venox, there is a .7 i386 deb here, http://jeffm.bakadigital.com/temp/builds |
| 19:07.30 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: how's the .7 deb test go? testing on amd64? |
| 19:07.31 | Tupone | but if he gets 30 FPS cannot limit |
| 19:07.49 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, I built my own on my 64 and it seems to work |
| 19:08.01 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, I'll bet he gets like 10 :) |
| 19:08.05 | JeffM2501 | maybe 15 |
| 19:08.10 | TimRiker | sweet. is there a plan for a .8 yet? |
| 19:08.20 | Tupone | gentoo too work, on amd64 |
| 19:08.26 | venox | hmm thanks |
| 19:08.32 | JeffM2501 | I have all the .7 builds posted on bzbb, leting people test them a bit, then we'll do the finial, so yes we have a plan |
| 19:08.36 | venox | I'm going to install bzflag 2.0.7 and try it with your .deb, JeffM2501 |
| 19:08.38 | venox | brb |
| 19:08.39 | Tupone | but it worked even before, so maybe is sometihng specific to debian? |
| 19:08.58 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, yeah that's why I want people on debian who had the problem to try my package |
| 19:09.08 | JeffM2501 | to get a dupe of the same situation |
| 19:09.12 | TimRiker | venox: I got email from a few folks that build .6 on stable. the depends need a little editing, but other than that it works ok. |
| 19:09.32 | venox | hmm ok :) |
| 19:09.35 | JeffM2501 | .6 built on stable for me with no problems TimRiker |
| 19:09.46 | JeffM2501 | that's where my .7 i386 deb was made |
| 19:10.04 | TimRiker | Tupone: yeah. for some reason the amd64 toolchain on debian needs a -m64 or some such. see ./configure.* |
| 19:10.18 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, did you see my message about the bot issues? |
| 19:10.23 | Tupone | nope |
| 19:10.25 | brlcad | the 2.0 branch does have the energy saver option, but yeah, it's not going to help one bit if the framerate is already low |
| 19:10.28 | JeffM2501 | maybe you can look into it when you get back from your trip |
| 19:10.31 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, oh |
| 19:10.35 | Tupone | where |
| 19:10.38 | JeffM2501 | I found out what was casuing it |
| 19:10.42 | brlcad | unless they manually set the local fpsLimit variable to something even lower.. |
| 19:10.50 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: ah cool. probably the old folks complaining then are those that don't already have the right build-depends packages installed. |
| 19:10.58 | TimRiker | s/old/only/ |
| 19:10.59 | JeffM2501 | on 12-26-05, you made changes to have bots use the player conection, that is the commit that breaks it |
| 19:11.19 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, I was using a new clean install of sarge, right from the disks |
| 19:11.28 | JeffM2501 | well after an apt update |
| 19:11.37 | TimRiker | but you installed sdl etc first? |
| 19:11.46 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 19:11.48 | Tupone | JeffM2501: I saw problems from feb |
| 19:11.56 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, yeah feb is busted |
| 19:11.59 | JeffM2501 | jan is busted |
| 19:12.12 | JeffM2501 | it only works if you go back to 12.15.05 |
| 19:12.20 | Tupone | jan is ok to me, but I will look better when I come back |
| 19:12.34 | JeffM2501 | bots have been broken for almost 1/2 a year |
| 19:12.48 | JeffM2501 | bryjen got the same results I did |
| 19:12.53 | JeffM2501 | so I am fairly sure it's not me |
| 19:13.16 | JeffM2501 | the bots arn't geting all the messages they should |
| 19:13.23 | venox | done, installed bzflag 2.0.7 |
| 19:13.27 | venox | I'll try it now |
| 19:13.28 | venox | :) |
| 19:14.00 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, I ran a local server with no options, then the client with solo 1 |
| 19:14.02 | Tupone | well, I believe on what you says, but my result were different, maybe I made a wrong check. BUt I will do better check later |
| 19:14.20 | JeffM2501 | that would cause the server to close my conection when I try to join |
| 19:14.35 | JeffM2501 | I go back to before the 12-26 checking, and me and the bot run fine |
| 19:14.47 | Mahdi | hi all |
| 19:14.51 | Mahdi | Can anyone translate the following: 10101101100011100 |
| 19:14.54 | JeffM2501 | maybe it's difrent effects on windows |
| 19:14.57 | Tupone | to me 1-feb-2006 sounds good |
| 19:15.10 | Tupone | sounded, now I'm not sure |
| 19:15.18 | JeffM2501 | I tried that date after you mentioned it, I get the same problem |
| 19:15.30 | JeffM2501 | well we'll figure it out eventualy :) |
| 19:15.43 | JeffM2501 | the checkin on 12-26 was fairly complex in playing.cxx |
| 19:15.48 | JeffM2501 | so I'm not fully able to follow it |
| 19:15.54 | JeffM2501 | I can dig more if you'd like |
| 19:16.01 | JeffM2501 | but it does only seem to affect bots |
| 19:16.31 | JeffM2501 | I am woried about how your frame rate limiting got turned on |
| 19:16.47 | venox | hmm |
| 19:16.48 | JeffM2501 | makes me wonder of the config copy from 2.0.x is not doing it right |
| 19:17.04 | venox | it worked for a few seconds |
| 19:17.10 | venox | but then I shot |
| 19:17.11 | BenUrban | ok i gotta ask |
| 19:17.14 | BenUrban | this f5 bug... |
| 19:17.14 | venox | and the xorg freezed |
| 19:17.22 | BenUrban | what version does it affect? |
| 19:17.24 | venox | I think it can be an issue with my sound card |
| 19:17.30 | BenUrban | and is it client side or server side? |
| 19:17.40 | JeffM2501 | BenUrban, where people go thru stuff? |
| 19:17.44 | BenUrban | yes |
| 19:17.52 | JeffM2501 | any version that has the screenshot stuff |
| 19:17.57 | BenUrban | all 20 players (except me) are doing it on the server here |
| 19:18.10 | BenUrban | i can't do it because of disk space limitations |
| 19:18.10 | venox | actually the system doesn't seem to actually freeze, but it turns *very* slow |
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| 19:18.26 | JeffM2501 | it's not realy F5 that does it, it's the fact that the screenshot adds a big lag spike to the game simulation |
| 19:18.31 | JeffM2501 | there are many ways to add a spike |
| 19:18.40 | venox | since even my ssh access is sloow too |
| 19:18.42 | JeffM2501 | the sim code dosn't deal well with large gaps in time |
| 19:18.56 | BenUrban | so the problem is that the client has control of the physics |
| 19:18.59 | JeffM2501 | .6 tries to do a paus |
| 19:19.03 | JeffM2501 | BenUrban, basicly yes |
| 19:19.17 | JeffM2501 | and that physicis code is flawed |
| 19:19.24 | Think_Different_ | hello. |
| 19:19.28 | JeffM2501 | BenUrban, then you probably should have fixed it ;) |
| 19:19.33 | BenUrban | haha |
| 19:19.53 | BenUrban | meanwhile it may as well be normal operation here |
| 19:20.00 | BenUrban | because there is no admin on this server |
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| 19:20.19 | BenUrban | i tried to pollban someone for doing it and it didn't go through |
| 19:20.21 | JeffM2501 | .6 does a mini-pause when it takes the screeny, that helps the sim out by leting it know you can't move |
| 19:20.31 | venox | damn, I have to reboot, this is SO slow. |
| 19:20.32 | venox | brb. |
| 19:20.33 | JeffM2501 | if your server is un admined, then it's probably not a good server to play on |
| 19:20.43 | BenUrban | well there are 20 people there now |
| 19:20.47 | BenUrban | and several more waiting |
| 19:20.53 | BenUrban | err |
| 19:20.57 | BenUrban | there were several more waiting |
| 19:21.00 | BenUrban | they'll come back |
| 19:21.01 | JeffM2501 | sadly we can't fix the protocoll to fix the physics in any 2.0.x version |
| 19:21.07 | JeffM2501 | or they become in compatable |
| 19:21.17 | BenUrban | hmm |
| 19:21.22 | JeffM2501 | CVS head is right there for anyone to fix tho |
| 19:21.44 | BenUrban | what about finding a way to not let a screenshot produce a lag spike? |
| 19:21.49 | Tupone | JeffM2501: my frame limiter ... maybe I changed some times ago, so I'm not worried about that |
| 19:21.51 | JeffM2501 | that is one way |
| 19:21.56 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, ok |
| 19:22.01 | BenUrban | but is there a way to do that? |
| 19:22.08 | JeffM2501 | break up the save job |
| 19:22.13 | JeffM2501 | and spread it over more then one loop |
| 19:22.15 | JeffM2501 | another thread |
| 19:22.19 | JeffM2501 | etc.. |
| 19:22.22 | BenUrban | hmm |
| 19:22.23 | BenUrban | i see |
| 19:22.25 | JeffM2501 | but that dosn't fix the core problem |
| 19:22.28 | BenUrban | true |
| 19:22.32 | JeffM2501 | you can have real lag spikes |
| 19:22.36 | JeffM2501 | sim should handle that |
| 19:22.36 | BenUrban | yeah |
| 19:22.39 | BenUrban | hmm |
| 19:22.53 | BenUrban | well the problem is that we're stuck in 2.0* |
| 19:22.55 | BenUrban | right? |
| 19:23.05 | JeffM2501 | the problem is that we can't change the past |
| 19:23.13 | JeffM2501 | we arn't stuck in 2.0.8 |
| 19:23.16 | JeffM2501 | or .* |
| 19:23.20 | JeffM2501 | it's just what people play |
| 19:23.21 | Tupone | BenUrban: if you want to do the same, just detach the ethernet cable for a little |
| 19:23.22 | BenUrban | that, and the fact that physics rewriting takes time and skill |
| 19:23.29 | BenUrban | heh i'm on wireless |
| 19:23.33 | JeffM2501 | time mostly |
| 19:23.38 | BenUrban | right |
| 19:23.39 | JeffM2501 | time and a person to do it |
| 19:23.45 | BenUrban | hmm |
| 19:23.47 | JeffM2501 | we don't do feature asignments |
| 19:23.57 | JeffM2501 | so it's up to someone to WANT to do it |
| 19:23.58 | Tupone | maybe that does not work either, butr there are way to add lag |
| 19:23.59 | BenUrban | i might be willing |
| 19:24.07 | JeffM2501 | then have at it :) |
| 19:24.08 | BenUrban | and i have time |
| 19:24.10 | BenUrban | but |
| 19:24.19 | BenUrban | i don't have the expertise with physics code |
| 19:24.25 | JeffM2501 | then learn it |
| 19:24.28 | BenUrban | i don't know the formulas and such |
| 19:24.35 | JeffM2501 | there are many resouces on the net |
| 19:24.36 | BenUrban | and i don't know where i could learn it |
| 19:24.39 | BenUrban | bah |
| 19:24.40 | JeffM2501 | google |
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| 19:24.44 | Tupone | maybe use some library, if they are fast. Dunno ode |
| 19:24.46 | JeffM2501 | gamasutra |
| 19:24.47 | BenUrban | the net is one big web of useless info |
| 19:24.48 | venox | hey, I'm back :P |
| 19:24.48 | BenUrban | :P |
| 19:24.53 | venox | is there anyway to remove sound from bzflag? |
| 19:24.57 | venox | any command line argument? |
| 19:24.59 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 19:25.09 | BenUrban | SDL_AUDIODRIVER=none ? |
| 19:25.31 | BenUrban | well anyway |
| 19:25.39 | venox | BenUrban: where I have to put that? |
| 19:25.57 | BenUrban | that only works if you use linux or bsd |
| 19:25.58 | Tupone | venox: you can remove from inside the game, or changing the ~.bzf/2.0/config.cfg |
| 19:25.59 | BenUrban | or unix |
| 19:26.10 | BenUrban | or you can turn it off inside the game |
| 19:26.13 | JeffM2501 | BenUrban, if noone learns it how will it ever be done? even to use a 3rd party lib, you have to understand what the lib does, and how to apply it to our game |
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| 19:26.28 | BenUrban | you said it doesn't take skill :P |
| 19:26.36 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't it takes time |
| 19:26.42 | JeffM2501 | time to learn it all |
| 19:26.45 | JeffM2501 | and think it out |
| 19:26.46 | BenUrban | anyway, someone must've coded bzflag's physics engine |
| 19:26.55 | JeffM2501 | yes, the origonal author |
| 19:27.02 | JeffM2501 | he dosn't work on the code anymore |
| 19:27.04 | BenUrban | ok where can i find him? |
| 19:27.07 | BenUrban | hmm |
| 19:27.08 | BenUrban | nuts |
| 19:27.11 | Tupone | no more here |
| 19:27.15 | Tupone | ~seen trepan |
| 19:27.25 | ibot | trepan <n=trepan@unaffiliated/trepan> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 7d 1h 41m 43s ago, saying: 'and the effect?'. |
| 19:27.25 | JeffM2501 | his e-mail address is shown every time you start the game |
| 19:27.34 | JeffM2501 | but he'll just tell you to look at the code |
| 19:27.42 | BenUrban | heh i just left that game with a score of -161 |
| 19:27.47 | Tupone | I think trepan changed it |
| 19:27.49 | JeffM2501 | at some point you'll have to put some real effort into it |
| 19:27.55 | BenUrban | well |
| 19:27.56 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, he did a litle |
| 19:28.03 | BenUrban | i can do that |
| 19:28.03 | JeffM2501 | he would be the best person to fix/replace it |
| 19:28.14 | JeffM2501 | but I don't think he cares much these days |
| 19:28.22 | BenUrban | hmm |
| 19:28.58 | BenUrban | trouble is, i don't even know what terms to search for |
| 19:29.13 | BenUrban | i guess collision detection and handling would be part of it |
| 19:29.16 | BenUrban | but not all |
| 19:29.27 | BenUrban | meh |
| 19:29.34 | BenUrban | it's as good a place as any to start |
| 19:29.35 | JeffM2501 | follow the code |
| 19:29.38 | JeffM2501 | see what it does |
| 19:29.43 | JeffM2501 | that's what debugers are for |
| 19:29.46 | BenUrban | ooh yeah i should look at the code |
| 19:29.49 | JeffM2501 | to step thru the code |
| 19:29.50 | BenUrban | lol |
| 19:29.57 | BenUrban | <-- i'm with stupid |
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| 19:31.43 | Think_Different_ | Does anyone know abot Debian here/? |
| 19:31.54 | BenUrban | yes |
| 19:31.57 | JeffM2501 | depends what you want to know about it? |
| 19:31.58 | BenUrban | i'm sure someone does |
| 19:32.10 | JeffM2501 | #debian is best for general questions tho |
| 19:32.17 | Think_Different_ | i tried a question on #debian but they didnt help |
| 19:32.26 | BenUrban | what's the question? |
| 19:32.57 | Think_Different_ | Ok, i just installed Debian on my PC, but i only did the minimal system, thus becuase i dont want KDE, GNOME etc |
| 19:33.10 | Think_Different_ | but when i apt-get install pagages i cant connect to the server |
| 19:33.20 | Think_Different_ | it worked fine when i did the net install |
| 19:33.28 | Think_Different_ | i stoped the network, restarted...etc |
| 19:33.28 | JeffM2501 | did you add the hosts to the apt sources? |
| 19:33.38 | Think_Different_ | i think so. |
| 19:33.40 | Think_Different_ | ill chekc |
| 19:33.59 | Think_Different_ | sorry i'm new to debian |
| 19:35.19 | JeffM2501 | join #debian-TD and we can talk about it so not to cluter the channel |
| 19:35.31 | Think_Different_ | ok |
| 19:35.39 | orchid | td? |
| 19:35.45 | Think_Different_ | yes? |
| 19:35.49 | BenUrban | lol |
| 19:35.50 | JeffM2501 | Think Difrent :) |
| 19:35.52 | orchid | ah :) |
| 19:36.01 | JeffM2501 | your welcome to join us Debian Mistress orchid ;) |
| 19:36.04 | JeffM2501 | she knows all |
| 19:37.05 | Think_Different_ | im on #debian |
| 19:37.21 | JeffM2501 | no #debian-TD |
| 19:37.32 | JeffM2501 | it's a private channel I made for this discussion |
| 19:37.36 | JeffM2501 | put the -TD after it :) |
| 19:37.42 | Think_Different_ | ooo. |
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| 19:46.53 | RPG_ | hey how many people are already working on that image submission system |
| 19:47.28 | JeffM2501 | I don't know |
| 19:47.33 | brlcad | about 42 |
| 19:47.37 | RPG_ | in PHP? |
| 19:47.43 | brlcad | in lisp |
| 19:47.48 | JeffM2501 | first one to get it in and approved wins the prize :) |
| 19:47.56 | RPG_ | yay i'll try |
| 19:47.57 | JeffM2501 | metorite said he was gonan do something |
| 19:48.07 | JeffM2501 | but then as allways he went off to something else |
| 19:48.15 | JeffM2501 | meno said he'd take a look at it maybe |
| 19:49.01 | JeffM2501 | if you all want to work together and split it.. fine by me |
| 19:49.10 | brlcad | bounty? |
| 19:49.29 | JeffM2501 | I'm putin up 25$ |
| 19:49.46 | JeffM2501 | could do more if I had to |
| 19:50.12 | JeffM2501 | your backlog lacks wang |
| 19:50.21 | brlcad | i sure hope it does |
| 19:50.23 | RPG_ | <effM2501I've offers 25$ amazon gift cert, and IIRC brlcad is willing to match it |
| 19:50.36 | JeffM2501 | tho he may have meant for the user reg system |
| 19:50.43 | JeffM2501 | if he's not I can huck in some more |
| 19:50.44 | brlcad | ah, about 1pm |
| 19:51.02 | brlcad | oh yeah, I'll match that |
| 19:51.30 | JeffM2501 | I even speced the basics |
| 19:51.36 | brlcad | ~lart menotume for maybe he'll do it comment (delayed) |
| 19:51.53 | RPG_ | does it need to be pretty? |
| 19:51.59 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 19:52.01 | RPG_ | yay |
| 19:52.04 | JeffM2501 | just functional |
| 19:52.13 | L4m3r | just needs to be moderate-able, I would think |
| 19:52.18 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 19:52.21 | JeffM2501 | that's the point of it |
| 19:52.23 | JeffM2501 | http://jeffm.bakadigital.com/specs/image_submision_spec.txt |
| 19:52.28 | JeffM2501 | that's the feature list it must have |
| 19:52.32 | brlcad | if it is pretty, there might be a bonus involved |
| 19:52.33 | JeffM2501 | anything more is candy |
| 19:52.36 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 19:52.37 | brlcad | but functional first |
| 19:53.09 | JeffM2501 | if it's a set of white pages with forms... that's fine |
| 19:58.38 | BenUrban | ooh hey |
| 19:58.42 | BenUrban | what is this pybzflga thing? |
| 19:58.46 | BenUrban | *pybzflag |
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| 20:00.07 | brlcad | it was a pet project to implement the basis of bzflag in python |
| 20:00.18 | BenUrban | i see |
| 20:00.19 | brlcad | it's 1.7 protocol, iirc |
| 20:00.23 | BenUrban | awww |
| 20:00.24 | brlcad | they got it working |
| 20:00.32 | brlcad | but it's never been updated since |
| 20:00.41 | BenUrban | 10 months ago |
| 20:00.42 | brlcad | so you'd have to update the networking part |
| 20:00.47 | BenUrban | (file) bzfs.py 1.12 10 months dtremenak Miscellaneous updates in case someone actually looks at this. Run on python 2.4... |
| 20:01.04 | brlcad | it's been poked at -- maybe dtr updated it to 1.10 |
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| 20:01.26 | venox | hmm, it seems my gfx card is overheating |
| 20:01.34 | brlcad | heh |
| 20:01.39 | venox | I've underclocked (does that term exists?) my video card it's working fine |
| 20:01.48 | BenUrban | yes the term exists |
| 20:01.48 | venox | (underclocked using nvclock) |
| 20:01.51 | venox | hmm ;) |
| 20:01.52 | menotume | brlcad: then, maybe i won't do it :) |
| 20:01.59 | L4m3r | some manufacturers clock their cards too high :P |
| 20:02.02 | JeffM2501 | venox, sounds like you need a biger fan |
| 20:02.08 | L4m3r | but more just don't cool well enough |
| 20:02.08 | venox | hmm |
| 20:02.09 | JeffM2501 | or your card is just dying |
| 20:02.16 | venox | dying? |
| 20:02.17 | JeffM2501 | newer cards are cheap |
| 20:02.20 | JeffM2501 | it's old |
| 20:02.21 | venox | :| |
| 20:02.23 | JeffM2501 | it will eventlay break |
| 20:02.25 | brlcad | menotume: did you mean maybe i'd match or maybe i'd implement? :) |
| 20:02.34 | brlcad | i'd definitely match, that's easy :) |
| 20:02.36 | venox | I've bought this used one a few days |
| 20:02.41 | venox | I was using a riva128!!! |
| 20:02.41 | venox | haha |
| 20:02.49 | JeffM2501 | like you said, it was used |
| 20:02.57 | JeffM2501 | how much did you spend on it? |
| 20:03.34 | venox | 30 reais |
| 20:03.43 | JeffM2501 | how much is that in USD? |
| 20:03.43 | venox | that's about 10 dollars |
| 20:03.43 | venox | hehe |
| 20:03.45 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 20:03.50 | JeffM2501 | well you get what you pay for |
| 20:04.04 | venox | :P |
| 20:04.17 | venox | anyway, it's a good gfx card, when it doesn't freezes with bzflag LOL |
| 20:04.21 | JeffM2501 | no it's not |
| 20:04.26 | JeffM2501 | dosn't even have a GPU |
| 20:04.31 | venox | yes it is |
| 20:04.37 | venox | hehe |
| 20:04.38 | JeffM2501 | at least get a little 2MX |
| 20:04.47 | venox | hmm |
| 20:05.06 | venox | well, it works for programming little things in opengl, playing quake... |
| 20:05.14 | venox | it works warsow fine, that's strange |
| 20:06.01 | venox | I'll try to get a better FAN to it |
| 20:06.13 | venox | or check if the one that came with it is working ok |
| 20:06.18 | venox | thanks anyway :) |
| 20:06.45 | menotume | brlcad: yes :P |
| 20:06.46 | venox | ahh |
| 20:06.51 | venox | how can I know my ping on bzflag? |
| 20:06.58 | blast007 | /lagstats |
| 20:07.00 | venox | and the ping of the servers on the server list |
| 20:07.16 | blast007 | there isn't a latency check in the server list |
| 20:07.26 | JeffM2501 | GF 2 MXes are going for 19$ online |
| 20:08.00 | menotume | ok, i'll do it if learner joins BAR |
| 20:08.31 | venox | hmm |
| 20:08.54 | menotume | there you go brlcad, just convince learner to join BAR |
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| 20:14.00 | brlcad | menotume: it's not worth that much to me ;) |
| 20:14.08 | menotume | lol |
| 20:14.12 | menotume | thought so :) |
| 20:19.49 | menotume | JeffM2501: you can save $25 if you can convince learner :) |
| 20:23.24 | brlcad | how about if learner pays double to have BaR renamed to BzR ;) |
| 20:24.30 | brlcad | or merge them into 'BaZaR' |
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| 20:31.18 | RPG_ | brlcad: who would be considered "admins" that can approve images, for this bzflag submission system? |
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| 20:39.14 | brlcad | RPG_: some defined group on bzbb |
| 20:40.22 | brlcad | you're defining the approval mechanism, it can be some web form for example that is restricted to people that authenticate to bzbb |
| 20:40.41 | brlcad | it could be something entirely different, it's up to you to make sure it makes sense ;) |
| 20:41.19 | brlcad | just how you're going to have users log in to make submissions, admins will log in to make approvals |
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| 20:42.37 | brlcad | ~dict preface |
| 20:44.15 | Deepa | ~dict define |
| 20:52.33 | Deepa | ~dict dictionary |
| 20:52.43 | Deepa | cant? |
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| 20:57.37 | brlcad | Deepa: /msg ibot dict cant |
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| 21:08.14 | sussi | hi |
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| 21:11.59 | supertanker | i'm in heaven |
| 21:12.03 | supertanker | (not really) |
| 21:12.30 | Birdie | you should, your on bzflag |
| 21:12.30 | supertanker | law and order: CI every night at my grandmothers |
| 21:12.45 | supertanker | oh yeah that too, on Linux which seemes to have better performance... |
| 21:13.02 | brlcad | howdy sussi |
| 21:13.54 | sussi | howdy |
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| 21:30.27 | Think_Different_ | ugh. |
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| 21:54.08 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, is the python plugin dead? |
| 21:55.35 | JeffM2501 | can any code be "alive"? |
| 21:55.39 | JeffM2501 | noone is working on it IIRC |
| 21:58.03 | Gnurdux | when was it last worked on? |
| 21:58.49 | Gnurdux | also: in the API why is some stuff playeid and some playerid |
| 21:59.02 | JeffM2501 | cus I can't spell |
| 21:59.08 | Gnurdux | oh |
| 21:59.16 | JeffM2501 | dude, look at cvs and see when it was last worked on |
| 21:59.21 | Gnurdux | oh ok good idea |
| 21:59.37 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, can you change all of the playeIDs to playerID for 2.0.8 or not? |
| 22:00.18 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 22:00.26 | JeffM2501 | it's not that important |
| 22:00.46 | Gnurdux | how about in 2.1? |
| 22:01.00 | JeffM2501 | maybe |
| 22:01.02 | Gnurdux | actually theres only 1 playeid |
| 22:01.08 | JeffM2501 | if someone does it |
| 22:01.24 | Gnurdux | ever heard of find and replace? |
| 22:01.43 | Gnurdux | or scripts that do the same thing? |
| 22:01.50 | JeffM2501 | why do I always have to do the work? |
| 22:02.11 | Gnurdux | dunno, but you do a lot of it, especially on the API |
| 22:02.17 | JeffM2501 | so |
| 22:03.31 | Gnurdux | find -type f -exec perl -pi -e "s/playeID/playerID/g" '{}' |
| 22:03.39 | Gnurdux | do that on the source tree |
| 22:03.41 | JeffM2501 | into what? |
| 22:03.41 | Gnurdux | and thats it |
| 22:03.57 | JeffM2501 | type that into what? |
| 22:04.04 | Gnurdux | a unix terminal |
| 22:04.12 | Gnurdux | SF gives shell accounts |
| 22:04.16 | JeffM2501 | I don't have a unix terminal |
| 22:04.30 | Gnurdux | so you have one that way |
| 22:04.30 | JeffM2501 | dude I know how to do a search and replace |
| 22:04.38 | JeffM2501 | and a unix terminal is not the easyest way |
| 22:04.43 | JeffM2501 | ctrl + alt + F3 |
| 22:04.50 | JeffM2501 | do that |
| 22:04.56 | Think_Different_ | unix is better |
| 22:04.58 | Gnurdux | in word you mean? |
| 22:05.02 | JeffM2501 | no it's difrent |
| 22:05.05 | JeffM2501 | word? god no |
| 22:05.06 | Gnurdux | or wordpad? or notepad? |
| 22:05.09 | JeffM2501 | in your dev IDE |
| 22:05.11 | Gnurdux | ah |
| 22:05.16 | JeffM2501 | wordpad? are you stupid? |
| 22:05.17 | Gnurdux | thats if you use an IDE |
| 22:05.31 | JeffM2501 | why would you NOT use an IDE? |
| 22:05.36 | Gnurdux | dunno |
| 22:05.39 | Gnurdux | i just use make |
| 22:05.39 | JeffM2501 | MS provides a free one |
| 22:05.41 | JeffM2501 | so there ya go |
| 22:05.44 | JeffM2501 | yes I know you do |
| 22:05.47 | JeffM2501 | and you fear the debuger |
| 22:06.24 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, unlike you I'm not a child, I know how to use my tools, please stop telling me what to do and how to do it. Specialy for small insignifigant issues |
| 22:07.50 | Gnurdux | whoosp |
| 22:07.57 | Gnurdux | i meant /msg |
| 22:08.14 | JeffM2501 | what language do you want? |
| 22:08.18 | Gnurdux | Ruby probably |
| 22:08.24 | Gnurdux | or Lua |
| 22:08.28 | blast007 | or basic |
| 22:08.33 | JeffM2501 | what do those offer over C? |
| 22:08.39 | Gnurdux | they are easier |
| 22:08.50 | Gnurdux | same basic purpose as python plugin |
| 22:08.53 | JeffM2501 | they have embedable parsers? |
| 22:08.59 | Gnurdux | yes |
| 22:09.04 | JeffM2501 | then have fun |
| 22:09.06 | Gnurdux | Lua is designed to be embedded |
| 22:09.38 | JeffM2501 | whatever that means |
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| 22:10.49 | Genosse_Darklord | hi, the Screenshot - Drive through walls bug is known? |
| 22:10.56 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 22:11.15 | JeffM2501 | it's not a bug with screenshot, that's just the easyest way to generate a lag spike |
| 22:11.32 | Gnurdux | it will be (hopefully) fixed in 2.1 |
| 22:11.40 | Genosse_Darklord | k |
| 22:11.41 | Gnurdux | server will automatically move you back |
| 22:11.51 | JeffM2501 | will it now? |
| 22:11.55 | blast007 | lol |
| 22:12.04 | JeffM2501 | so glad you know how it's going to work Gnurdux |
| 22:12.05 | Genosse_Darklord | most servers only allow to drive through walls with the lag spike |
| 22:12.14 | Genosse_Darklord | online |
| 22:12.18 | Gnurdux | the server doesnt control movement |
| 22:12.48 | Genosse_Darklord | big prob on boxywars |
| 22:12.58 | Gnurdux | if someone does it, /report them |
| 22:12.59 | CBG | hi Genosse_Darklord |
| 22:13.09 | CBG | Gnurdux: why not just /kick them? |
| 22:13.19 | Genosse_Darklord | I am doing |
| 22:13.24 | Gnurdux | you cant /kick them if you arent admin on the sevrer |
| 22:13.29 | Genosse_Darklord | I am |
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| 22:13.34 | Gnurdux | then ban |
| 22:13.35 | Gnurdux | :) |
| 22:13.37 | CBG | You can kick if you are admin on the server. |
| 22:13.38 | Genosse_Darklord | and ban ... |
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| 22:13.44 | Gnurdux | hi A_Meteorite |
| 22:13.48 | Genosse_Darklord | Hia |
| 22:13.51 | CBG | Only ban for persistant abuse of the bug. |
| 22:13.59 | A_Meteorite | That was quick... |
| 22:14.33 | Genosse_Darklord | yep |
| 22:14.45 | Genosse_Darklord | i warn them, then kick or shortban |
| 22:15.46 | Think_Different_ | 01 |
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| 22:21.21 | JeffM2501 | I love how he knows how it's all going to work |
| 22:24.41 | Mr_Molez | JeffM2501: the deb packages install and load alright, i couldn't test for bugs though :( |
| 22:25.02 | JeffM2501 | Mr_Molez, you were able to play on the 64 tho right? |
| 22:25.07 | JeffM2501 | and like kill and shoot |
| 22:27.00 | Mr_Molez | Ill go test them both propperly now |
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| 22:48.42 | Mr_Molez | yeh i can kill and die fine :D |
| 22:49.08 | Mr_Molez | die mainly. gu has the worst spawns ever |
| 22:50.37 | JeffM2501 | well that's good |
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| 23:50.47 | brlcad | i wish i knew how to turn on file sharing remotely.. |
| 23:51.10 | L4m3r | haxcess? |
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| 23:59.06 | brlcad | figured it out |