| 00:00.07 | DTRemenak | ah, but there was an sp counterstrike campaign too...condition zero I think? |
| 00:00.14 | JeffM2501 | so the only others like us are ones that are using the quake engine ;) |
| 00:00.53 | DTRemenak | half the games on the market use the quake engine :P |
| 00:01.06 | JeffM2501 | 1/3 |
| 00:01.15 | DTRemenak | Tribes 1 didn't have a single-player mode |
| 00:01.23 | JeffM2501 | true |
| 00:01.24 | DTRemenak | course that's goin' back a ways |
| 00:01.29 | JeffM2501 | ahh good old tribes |
| 00:01.39 | JeffM2501 | and it's not quake engine |
| 00:01.43 | DTRemenak | and running a lan server was...nontrivial |
| 00:01.54 | DTRemenak | iirc |
| 00:04.16 | DTRemenak | does America's Army have SP? |
| 00:04.25 | JeffM2501 | it has training stuff |
| 00:04.28 | JeffM2501 | before you go online |
| 00:04.39 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 00:05.08 | JeffM2501 | if I put in enough hooks I think I can do bzflag "tutorial" servers |
| 00:05.46 | DTRemenak | that'd be cool |
| 00:05.54 | DTRemenak | thought about doing something like that once |
| 00:06.19 | DTRemenak | with a (heavily) modded server to dist with the client with training modes |
| 00:06.29 | DTRemenak | looked like too much work :P |
| 00:06.38 | DTRemenak | be easier with plugins and such |
| 00:06.54 | JeffM2501 | plugin could have a map that is sectioned off |
| 00:07.04 | JeffM2501 | then more then one person coudl tut at a time |
| 00:07.22 | JeffM2501 | then at the end, pop em into a centeral arena and have em fight :) |
| 00:07.32 | JeffM2501 | or pop some bots to even it out |
| 00:07.38 | DTRemenak | hm, that's an interesting idea. like mmo training areas |
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| 00:07.49 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 00:07.51 | DTRemenak | I was thinking more locally run |
| 00:07.53 | JeffM2501 | newbie aisle :) |
| 00:08.06 | nitrosport_5 | jeff, is there a reason 2.1 wont compile on linux |
| 00:08.08 | DTRemenak | hit "training" and have it start a modded server with certain settings on your machine |
| 00:08.14 | JeffM2501 | just need some way to send the client to the server with the next open "session" |
| 00:08.30 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, I'm thinking same thing, but over the net |
| 00:08.37 | DTRemenak | yeah, I know |
| 00:08.39 | JeffM2501 | cus REALY we are played as a wan game now |
| 00:08.43 | DTRemenak | the same, but different :P |
| 00:08.49 | JeffM2501 | nitrosport_5, I dono.. why won't 2.1 compile on linux |
| 00:09.14 | nitrosport_5 | idk i get error one in make |
| 00:09.22 | JeffM2501 | umm ok |
| 00:09.44 | JeffM2501 | and the error is.............................................................. |
| 00:12.15 | purple_cow | shame on you for not knowing! |
| 00:13.56 | JeffM2501 | forsooth... I am shamed |
| 00:14.03 | nitrosport_5 | it just says error 1 when compiling |
| 00:14.18 | JeffM2501 | look up |
| 00:14.18 | nitrosport_5 | idk, only tried it once |
| 00:14.20 | JeffM2501 | find the error |
| 00:14.24 | JeffM2501 | see what it is :) |
| 00:14.26 | JeffM2501 | 2.1 is dev |
| 00:14.27 | nitrosport_5 | ok... |
| 00:14.32 | JeffM2501 | it may have a problem |
| 00:14.36 | purple_cow | "linux" doesn't number errors like that |
| 00:14.39 | DTRemenak | it may have many problems |
| 00:14.42 | nitrosport_5 | have there been people that have gotten it to compile |
| 00:14.55 | JeffM2501 | don't know, I don't keep count |
| 00:15.02 | nitrosport_5 | ok jw |
| 00:15.04 | nitrosport_5 | thx |
| 00:15.08 | DTRemenak | it's always changing dude. just because it compiled yesterday doesn't mean it compiles today. |
| 00:15.09 | purple_cow | it should spit out a more descriptive explanation than that |
| 00:15.28 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, I think that's the LAST thing it says, and the real error is above it |
| 00:15.40 | purple_cow | yeah |
| 00:15.50 | DTRemenak | error 1 is a make stop error. the important stuff is probably the gcc errors above it... |
| 00:17.09 | nitrosport_5 | ok |
| 00:17.39 | JeffM2501 | comcast... you at home now DTRemenak ? |
| 00:17.45 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 00:17.49 | JeffM2501 | I'm sorry |
| 00:17.53 | JeffM2501 | wait no dialup? |
| 00:17.55 | DTRemenak | hey, better than dialup |
| 00:18.02 | DTRemenak | yeah, they put it in a couple weeks ago |
| 00:18.04 | JeffM2501 | did the fam finaly move to the 21st? |
| 00:18.16 | JeffM2501 | and there was great rejoycing! |
| 00:18.22 | DTRemenak | no, comcast finally decided to get off their collective lazy asses and offer it here |
| 00:18.27 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 00:18.30 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 00:18.36 | purple_cow | DTRemenak: isn't it great how they always get broadband *after* you move out? :) |
| 00:18.40 | DTRemenak | yeah :) |
| 00:18.53 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, that's cus they can AFFORD it now ;) |
| 00:19.13 | JeffM2501 | I made mine get DSL |
| 00:19.17 | JeffM2501 | now they can never go back |
| 00:19.38 | JeffM2501 | my mom is now an internet shoping fiend |
| 00:19.42 | DTRemenak | dsl still isn't available here either |
| 00:19.52 | JeffM2501 | I got her amazon gift cert for mums day, she'll use it in a hearbeat |
| 00:19.53 | DTRemenak | comcast is the only game in town, and it's a bad one |
| 00:19.58 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 00:20.04 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: with a kid at college? fat chance |
| 00:20.13 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, depends who's payin :) |
| 00:20.29 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, did you graduate? |
| 00:20.48 | purple_cow | i did |
| 00:20.55 | JeffM2501 | congratulations |
| 00:20.59 | brlcad | nitrosport_5: no offense, but you probably shouldn't be compiling off of HEAD if you can't work through compile errors -- it's rather unstable in many respects for casual compiles |
| 00:21.04 | purple_cow | thanks |
| 00:21.12 | brlcad | wow, congrats :) |
| 00:21.17 | JeffM2501 | now the move to nocal? |
| 00:21.42 | purple_cow | in july |
| 00:21.58 | JeffM2501 | one of us.. one of us.. :) |
| 00:22.31 | JeffM2501 | and you are gonna move to where the bandwith comes from |
| 00:22.41 | JeffM2501 | then packethead |
| 00:25.27 | JeffM2501 | bahh... bz's OSFile implementation is wicked old |
| 00:28.01 | DTRemenak | and customized at that |
| 00:28.17 | JeffM2501 | ja |
| 00:28.43 | JeffM2501 | I can make it work for the lib of d00m tho |
| 00:30.13 | JeffM2501 | all shall phear it's might and glory |
| 00:30.24 | JeffM2501 | well or at least purple_cow will |
| 00:31.25 | purple_cow | what "lib" is that then? |
| 00:32.26 | JeffM2501 | fmod |
| 00:34.59 | JeffM2501 | tho techincaly it's fmodEX now, not the old API |
| 00:41.13 | JeffM2501 | tho I have a feeling that I'll be leaving it up to orchid to get it working for "you people" ;) since it'll contain a feature she wants |
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| 00:49.23 | JeffM2501 | hmm.. looks like the sound system assumes your allways facing the dir you are moving |
| 00:50.00 | DTRemenak | is there something wrong with that assumption? :) |
| 00:50.07 | JeffM2501 | for 3d sound |
| 00:50.29 | JeffM2501 | what if you are 90 deg to your direction of travel |
| 00:50.34 | JeffM2501 | it won't do the sterio right |
| 00:50.35 | DTRemenak | how can you be? |
| 00:50.39 | JeffM2501 | jump turn |
| 00:50.58 | DTRemenak | hm, good point |
| 00:51.40 | JeffM2501 | I can add a function for facing, and have the MediaSoundSystem ignore it |
| 00:53.39 | JeffM2501 | ahh nevermind |
| 00:53.41 | JeffM2501 | I'm a retard |
| 00:54.33 | JeffM2501 | it send the angle in |
| 00:54.43 | JeffM2501 | since it's always a 2d facing |
| 00:57.40 | orchid | hmm features |
| 00:57.49 | JeffM2501 | mp3 streams |
| 00:59.31 | orchid | :) |
| 00:59.45 | orchid | delicious |
| 01:00.24 | JeffM2501 | it should be a somewhat near drop-in for cvs head |
| 01:00.44 | JeffM2501 | 4 files to replace 2 files, and then replaces some #defines with variables |
| 01:00.55 | orchid | ooh |
| 01:01.06 | JeffM2501 | and of course linking in "the lib" on nix |
| 01:01.24 | JeffM2501 | and then the social outcry |
| 01:01.31 | JeffM2501 | the mass hysteria |
| 01:01.41 | JeffM2501 | the dogs and the cats living together |
| 01:01.45 | orchid | yeah |
| 01:02.05 | JeffM2501 | it ain't an open souce lib |
| 01:02.34 | orchid | oh hmm |
| 01:02.46 | JeffM2501 | I made it optional |
| 01:02.51 | JeffM2501 | using a build #def |
| 01:03.09 | JeffM2501 | so the debian package could be made with out it |
| 01:03.43 | JeffM2501 | probably the only build that could ship with it would be winders |
| 01:04.40 | JeffM2501 | unless some intrepid soul ( DTR ) wants to implement it all with openAL |
| 01:14.16 | A_Meteorite | JeffM2501: I just looked at 2.1's new laser. It is AWESOME! |
| 01:14.41 | JeffM2501 | thank you |
| 01:14.48 | A_Meteorite | And my graphics card seems to handle it... won't know for sure until Lasermania is on 2.1, though. :( |
| 01:25.07 | JeffM2501 | ibot RPG_ ++ |
| 01:28.39 | trepan | any know if bz vsync'ing works in windows? |
| 01:31.54 | JeffM2501 | never tried it |
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| 01:41.30 | trepan | JeffM2501: ya, probably just burning cycles ;) |
| 01:42.07 | JeffM2501 | I didn't merge those changes into branch |
| 01:42.13 | JeffM2501 | so I never tried it |
| 01:47.00 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (5 files): safer to remove vsync |
| 01:47.11 | JeffM2501 | oh cus I was gonna test it for ya right now |
| 01:47.26 | trepan | heh, poof ;) |
| 01:48.26 | trepan | saved you the bother |
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| 03:24.07 | Ding | hello |
| 03:27.04 | PuMpErNiCkLe | hi |
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| 03:40.54 | shorty114 | why is the os x binary so big? 103 MB?? |
| 03:41.48 | a-delusion | could it be universal? |
| 03:42.10 | a-delusion | that usually doubles file size |
| 03:42.44 | a-delusion | maybe i'll try it, could you link me, shorty? |
| 03:42.45 | A_Meteorite | No, 2.0.8 is PPC-only. |
| 03:42.55 | a-delusion | guess not.. |
| 03:42.58 | A_Meteorite | I noticed that (compared to PC builds) OSX apps are bloated. |
| 03:43.04 | A_Meteorite | At least BZFlag is... |
| 03:43.22 | A_Meteorite | Maybe it's the way GCC builds it, no idea. |
| 03:44.50 | A_Meteorite | Weird... the DMG says it's 37MB. |
| 03:44.55 | A_Meteorite | At SF.net |
| 03:45.41 | A_Meteorite | Wow! Already 312 downloads. |
| 03:46.17 | A_Meteorite | Window's build is at 324 downloads... that's a lot of Mac users in proportion... |
| 03:47.02 | a-delusion | so is it 103 MB, once you load the .dmg |
| 03:47.25 | JeffM2501 | the DMG is compressed |
| 03:47.31 | JeffM2501 | it's biger cus it has debug symbols |
| 03:47.39 | JeffM2501 | so users get a better crash log |
| 03:47.54 | A_Meteorite | JeffM2501: And you don't do debug for Window's users...? |
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| 03:48.13 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 03:48.18 | A_Meteorite | Why? |
| 03:48.18 | JeffM2501 | why would I? |
| 03:48.29 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't provide any more info in a crash |
| 03:48.29 | A_Meteorite | I hear of more problems on Windows. |
| 03:48.35 | A_Meteorite | Oh. |
| 03:48.37 | JeffM2501 | windows is not the same as OSX |
| 03:48.58 | A_Meteorite | Well, I've never compiled anything on Windows. :) |
| 03:49.21 | shorty114 | bz just froze for me |
| 03:49.25 | A_Meteorite | I wonder how Windows can print out such nice error messages... wait, does it? |
| 03:49.26 | shorty114 | i had to force restart it |
| 03:49.30 | shorty114 | the computer, that is |
| 03:49.42 | A_Meteorite | rofl, the iront |
| 03:49.45 | A_Meteorite | *irony |
| 03:49.54 | shorty114 | i'm on osx |
| 03:49.58 | A_Meteorite | oh. |
| 03:50.00 | a-delusion | 10.2? |
| 03:50.02 | JeffM2501 | budump bump! |
| 03:50.11 | a-delusion | lol |
| 03:50.24 | JeffM2501 | there are 3rd party crash/bug systems we could build in |
| 03:50.34 | JeffM2501 | but it's usualy not that big of a deal |
| 03:50.41 | shorty114 | 10.4 |
| 03:50.44 | a-delusion | i agree |
| 03:50.52 | JeffM2501 | also remember, you may hear about more windows problems, but there are a LOT more windows users |
| 03:51.05 | JeffM2501 | may of the real problems, are code problems on all OSs |
| 03:51.18 | A_Meteorite | How come there are so many Mac downloads then? :P |
| 03:51.31 | A_Meteorite | Maybe Mac users are more on top of updates? |
| 03:51.40 | JeffM2501 | mac accounts for about 20% |
| 03:51.47 | PuMpErNiCkLe | Maybe Mac users are enthused about both their games right now. :> |
| 03:51.49 | a-delusion | or more likely to adopt new things quickly |
| 03:52.02 | a-delusion | theres another? |
| 03:52.03 | JeffM2501 | or maybe they have so little software they are starving |
| 03:52.06 | shorty114 | jeffm: of total bz downloads, or computing population? |
| 03:52.07 | A_Meteorite | Yeah, maybe we should be labeled "guinea pigs." |
| 03:52.16 | JeffM2501 | shorty114, average playing over time |
| 03:52.26 | shorty114 | sounds about right |
| 03:52.31 | JeffM2501 | we track OS hits to the list server |
| 03:52.40 | A_Meteorite | Yeah, but it seems most players that don't stay are Windows users - at least it seems that way. |
| 03:52.44 | shorty114 | it would be interesting to see a stats site for that data |
| 03:52.49 | shorty114 | and versions and so on |
| 03:52.51 | A_Meteorite | You know, the ones that sign-up and quite a week later. |
| 03:52.51 | JeffM2501 | windows is over 55%, mac at a litte over 20ish and nix around 25ish |
| 03:52.59 | A_Meteorite | *quit |
| 03:53.14 | JeffM2501 | A_Meteorite, the windows users have many games to choose from |
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| 03:53.30 | JeffM2501 | mac people... playing with photoshop gets booring REALY fast ;) |
| 03:53.31 | A_Meteorite | My nephew here has been playing off and on for a month and he just got his first kill on a public server. |
| 03:53.37 | shorty114 | heh |
| 03:53.44 | A_Meteorite | He was sooo getting pwned. |
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| 03:54.01 | A_Meteorite | "WHAT?!! I show him!!" Then I look at his console I say, "Nope." |
| 03:54.05 | A_Meteorite | *shot |
| 03:54.08 | A_Meteorite | I can't spell. |
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| 03:59.21 | cosmos | plugins are enabled by default in 2.0.6+ right? my cvs build of 2.0.x last night didnt have a /loadplugin command or seem to use -loadplugin |
| 03:59.43 | A_Meteorite | I seems to have to always use --enable-shared --enable-plugins |
| 03:59.48 | A_Meteorite | Maybe that's me. |
| 03:59.52 | cosmos | ahh ok |
| 03:59.56 | cosmos | i have the shared |
| 04:00.02 | cosmos | but not the plugins, assumed default |
| 04:00.06 | JeffM2501 | what OS? |
| 04:00.10 | cosmos | freebsd |
| 04:00.17 | JeffM2501 | don't know what it defaults too |
| 04:00.26 | cosmos | ill rerun with the above |
| 04:01.10 | cosmos | got lamers faircft plugin compiled fine just cant use it :) |
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| 05:12.56 | cosmos | got freebsd plugin support working and the fairCTF module compiled and loaded |
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| 11:09.03 | Deepa_ | aaw for crying out loud! |
| 11:09.09 | Deepa | bzflag lags on this computer! |
| 11:09.33 | Deepa | guild wars doesnt :/ |
| 11:17.21 | ruskie | fun to have an italion playing that has no clue about english... |
| 11:17.33 | ruskie | you can keep /killing himm alllll day long... |
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| 11:35.46 | Deepa | nooooo xn res edit crashes! |
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| 13:16.55 | CBG | Can anyone think of any reasons why I would go NR immediately when I join My _own_ server..? |
| 13:17.16 | CBG | I can talk, receive messages, just can't shoot anyone. |
| 13:18.04 | Mr_Molez | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:18.30 | CBG | 2.0.8 build, but I'm sure it happened before (probably 2.0.6) |
| 13:18.55 | Mr_Molez | get 2.0.6 and test ;) |
| 13:19.03 | CBG | (I built the 2.0.8 myself, btw) |
| 13:19.09 | Mr_Molez | o |
| 13:20.26 | CBG | seems to happen with 2.0.6 download too |
| 13:20.46 | Mr_Molez | oo |
| 13:20.48 | Mr_Molez | aint got a clue |
| 13:24.08 | blast007 | CBG: does it have the same issue without any options on the server? |
| 13:27.55 | CBG | blast007: I'll try now |
| 13:28.42 | brlcad | CBG, udp isn't getting to you |
| 13:29.37 | brlcad | there are lots of bad routers out there that get this wrong.. regardless, how are you connecting to your own server? what address? |
| 13:30.01 | brlcad | try 127.0.0.1 instead of your public addr or one that shows up in the list |
| 13:30.05 | CBG | Eh. by a dyndns.org address, pointing to my wan IP |
| 13:30.20 | CBG | I chose my server from the list, so - the publicaddr address |
| 13:30.28 | brlcad | use 127.0.0.1 instead |
| 13:30.43 | CBG | or 'localhost' ? |
| 13:30.57 | brlcad | ip preferred though localhost should work |
| 13:31.22 | CBG | yep, that seems to have fixed it |
| 13:31.36 | CBG | I can pick up flags at least... Would soemone like to come and shoot at me? |
| 13:32.19 | CBG | ( cbg.is-a-geek.org:5160 ) |
| 13:32.26 | brlcad | probably a poorly configured router or one not set up to handle traffic like that |
| 13:32.47 | CBG | my LAN router? |
| 13:32.52 | brlcad | pretty common for some routers to not like udp traffic coming from inside and being routed to inside |
| 13:33.08 | CBG | ah, ok. |
| 13:33.12 | brlcad | completely bogus, of course -- that should be fine |
| 13:33.21 | CBG | I was going to say - it works fine for others. |
| 13:33.32 | brlcad | coming from outside to inside is completely different |
| 13:33.36 | CBG | Ok. |
| 13:33.40 | CBG | Thanks brlcad :) |
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| 14:09.20 | brlcad | fyi, bz is now set up for automatic backups of bz's cvsroot |
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| 14:52.45 | gsnedders | I just managed to get through a (thick) wall using the F5 cheat on 2.0.9 |
| 14:53.40 | brlcad | gsnedders: the thickness is actually tied to the speed of your machine (i.e. time for a single screenshot) |
| 14:53.51 | brlcad | and the speed of your tank |
| 14:54.18 | brlcad | that problem hasn't been addressed, only the one that let you move through arbitrarily thick objects, warping around the map |
| 14:54.18 | gsnedders | brlcad: mmm... could it just be the speed of taking such a high res picture and compressing it? |
| 14:54.34 | gsnedders | 2560x1600 high res |
| 14:54.42 | brlcad | that is exactly what it is |
| 14:54.58 | brlcad | if a screenshot takes a long time, you go farther unchecked |
| 14:55.03 | gsnedders | therefore cancelling out the speed of the computer |
| 14:55.38 | brlcad | whether the long time is caused by slow machine, large image, busy computer, pressing the sleep button, whatever |
| 14:57.53 | gsnedders | ha anything more major been done about it in 2.1? |
| 14:58.39 | gsnedders | *has |
| 15:00.53 | brlcad | not yet |
| 15:11.11 | trepan | bringing the player to a dead-stop might have been a better solution for 2.0 :) |
| 15:12.28 | brad | isn't that what pausing does? |
| 15:12.33 | brad | or supposed to do |
| 15:12.37 | cosmos | how about causing their monitor to explode :) |
| 15:13.11 | cosmos | a lot of folks using that F5 lameness to walk through walls on pillbox |
| 15:13.13 | brad | wouldn't you feel sorry for the people taking screenshots with no intention of "cheating"? |
| 15:13.41 | a-delusion | if your really takng a sceenie, you can afford it, |
| 15:13.47 | cosmos | heh |
| 15:13.48 | brad | lol |
| 15:24.12 | gsnedders | but are you gonna take a screenshot of a wall often? :P |
| 15:28.01 | cosmos | yeah, a warning "you are too close to a wall--screenshot will result in screendeath--proceed?" |
| 15:29.20 | a-delusion | I don't see how if your really taking a screenshot, having the server stop your momentum, would be a problem, i mean if you really want screenies, join observer |
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| 15:30.14 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 15:30.14 | cosmos | i watched one little perp just drive around and constantly slide through walls. |
| 15:30.42 | cosmos | it was an "accident" |
| 15:32.11 | brlcad | given how pausing works over multiple frames in phases, pausing doesn't get a chance to fully engage and halt the player |
| 15:32.42 | brlcad | it would have been good to just halt them, I don't think anyone considered that at the time (hindsight is beautiful, isn't it) |
| 15:33.25 | brlcad | though that has it's own problems and abuse if the player isn't on the ground |
| 15:34.07 | a-delusion | make screenies only available to observers. |
| 15:34.08 | brad | pausing in air would be fun |
| 15:34.42 | brlcad | a-delusion: crippling the feature (which has valid use even when playing) is not the answer |
| 15:34.52 | brlcad | you used to be able to pause in the air |
| 15:35.01 | brad | oh |
| 15:35.07 | a-delusion | i know, seems too easy sometimes |
| 15:35.08 | brlcad | caused problems |
| 15:35.53 | brlcad | doing the proper collision check is not hard, just wasn't enough time before .6 and .8 was really just to fix spawning on bzfs |
| 15:54.46 | gsnedders | ~seen BearPerson |
| 15:54.56 | ibot | bearperson <i=karsten@freenode/staff/sourcemage.wizard.BearPerson> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 24d 14h 35m 25s ago, saying: 'he is banned now.'. |
| 15:54.57 | gsnedders | |seen BearPerson |
| 16:00.36 | *** join/#bzflag sussi (i=ralf@83-221-81-127.cable2.primacom.net) |
| 16:08.21 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07playground_branch * 10bzflag/ (19 files in 2 dirs): setup for new audio lib |
| 16:10.09 | brlcad | interesting, bz's cvsroot is about 250MB uncompressed right now |
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| 16:41.01 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v bryjen] by ChanServ |
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| 16:46.08 | PuMpErNiCkLe | by god, it works |
| 16:46.25 | PuMpErNiCkLe | BZflag compiles properly with Intel's compiler :) |
| 16:46.38 | PuMpErNiCkLe | it even runs |
| 16:46.58 | PuMpErNiCkLe | Time to test their fabled optimizations... |
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| 17:18.56 | trepan | how much? |
| 17:19.14 | JeffM2501 | 18$ |
| 17:19.16 | JeffM2501 | for 2 years |
| 17:19.20 | JeffM2501 | its' not the money |
| 17:19.23 | JeffM2501 | it's if I'll use it |
| 17:19.32 | JeffM2501 | pondering replacing bakadigital.com with it |
| 17:19.35 | JeffM2501 | cus it's a better name |
| 17:19.39 | trepan | yup |
| 17:20.19 | ToughShooter | I have observed the following behaviour: One fired a shot and then got nr, another player drove right through that shot a few seconds later and didn't explode (I was obs and drove with the non-exploding player). Is it likely, that the non-exploding player cheated? |
| 17:21.32 | JeffM2501 | I think it checks to see if the shot owner is alive |
| 17:21.36 | JeffM2501 | shots are tied to there owners |
| 17:22.11 | ToughShooter | The owner got nr and was kicked away before the bullet hit the other player |
| 17:22.52 | JeffM2501 | then it's a dead shot |
| 17:23.02 | JeffM2501 | shots with no owners can't kill |
| 17:23.09 | trepan | JeffM2501: not sure about that |
| 17:23.22 | JeffM2501 | I've been looking at the shot code, I am fairly sure |
| 17:23.28 | ToughShooter | Can that be replicated via shooting one bullet to another player and then signing off before it hits the other one? |
| 17:23.34 | JeffM2501 | been redoing "got blowed up" recently |
| 17:23.47 | JeffM2501 | could be wrong, but I think it checks to see if the owner exists |
| 17:24.01 | JeffM2501 | signoff may send endshots, that I don't know |
| 17:24.20 | JeffM2501 | it's easy to look into tho |
| 17:24.25 | JeffM2501 | find "gotblowedup" in the code |
| 17:24.28 | JeffM2501 | see what it checks |
| 17:26.46 | brlcad | PuMpErNiCkLe: their optimizer is sweet, but gotta try out the dual-pass optimization for the best results |
| 17:27.31 | PuMpErNiCkLe | brlcad: cool, thanks - so far, I'm just trying -ipo |
| 17:27.46 | ToughShooter | brad: ping |
| 17:28.07 | brlcad | ipo was less than interesting (actually continually crashed the compiler for my codes) |
| 17:28.49 | *** join/#bzflag lutz (n=lutz@dslb-088-072-236-058.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 17:29.11 | lutz | hi... how do i identify my nick in bzflag?? |
| 17:29.32 | brlcad | lutz: register your nickname at http://my.bzflag.org/bb |
| 17:29.39 | Sulpicus | i did that |
| 17:29.45 | brlcad | then provide that username/password in bz at the join menu |
| 17:29.49 | JeffM2501 | then just put it in the game |
| 17:29.51 | brad | ts, im in a match |
| 17:30.00 | PuMpErNiCkLe | I had that happen once or twice... it used too much memory and got killed. |
| 17:30.01 | Sulpicus | mom... ill try that |
| 17:34.08 | Sulpicus | hmm... it says my Account is inactive |
| 17:34.18 | Sulpicus | i never got a mail |
| 17:34.52 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, as soon as the main dns swaps over, we can do opencombat.net hosts on the no-ip thing, just FYI |
| 17:35.05 | Sulpicus | i have to contact an admin to check my account... who could that be? |
| 17:35.17 | JeffM2501 | did you get the e-mail? |
| 17:35.20 | JeffM2501 | for activation? |
| 17:35.22 | Sulpicus | no |
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| 17:35.37 | JeffM2501 | what username did you register under? |
| 17:35.38 | brad | ToughShooter: pong :p |
| 17:35.39 | Sulpicus | i looked for it... but i did not get it. |
| 17:35.42 | Sulpicus | Sulpicus |
| 17:35.59 | JeffM2501 | you got it |
| 17:36.07 | JeffM2501 | it may just have been marked as spam |
| 17:36.18 | Sulpicus | hm... maybe ... ill check |
| 17:36.30 | JeffM2501 | tell me the part of the e-mail after the @ and i'll manualy activate it |
| 17:36.41 | brlcad | PuMpErNiCkLe: -prof-dir/-prof-file + -prof-gen followed by another compile with -prof-dir/-prof-file + -prof-use .. that's the sweet stuff as well as -parallel and -ipo if they give you anything (which I'd doubt for bz) |
| 17:37.38 | brlcad | of course using -O3 and perhaps -mcpu |
| 17:37.46 | Sulpicus | @yahoo.de |
| 17:38.15 | Sulpicus | i really could not find any mail... |
| 17:38.36 | brlcad | Sulpicus: are you c3l-leader? |
| 17:38.41 | JeffM2501 | you are avctive |
| 17:38.44 | Sulpicus | but then i have a lot of spam on that account |
| 17:39.01 | brlcad | Remote host said: 554 delivery error: dd This user doesn't have a yahoo.de account (c3l-leader@yahoo.de) [-15] - mta203.mail.re2.yahoo.com |
| 17:39.18 | Sulpicus | i am Sulpicus |
| 17:40.06 | Sulpicus | and now my Callsign is approved |
| 17:40.10 | Sulpicus | tx very much |
| 17:40.58 | Sulpicus | i use bzflag on linux... what i can't seem to find out is how to switch between full screen an window mode... |
| 17:41.00 | PuMpErNiCkLe | brlcad: Cool, I'll try that. So far, just -ipo (which failed, and which I'm just going to drop for now), -O# -axN and -parallel |
| 17:41.50 | brlcad | PuMpErNiCkLe: mtune/mcpu should give you something significant |
| 17:42.14 | brlcad | but the dual pass with -prof-use will get you another 20-40% outright |
| 17:42.34 | PuMpErNiCkLe | nice! |
| 17:42.35 | brlcad | you run the program between prof-gen and prof-use |
| 17:42.36 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, no that wasn't what he put in |
| 17:45.47 | JeffM2501 | also RPG_ should have his image submiter running live today ;) |
| 17:46.01 | brlcad | JeffM2501: yeah, just convenient that there was a yahoo.de failure sitting in the reject list |
| 17:46.07 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 17:46.14 | brlcad | his e-mails weren't rejected, so I'd suspect something else on his end |
| 17:46.31 | JeffM2501 | oh it's probably the yahoo spam filter |
| 17:46.38 | brlcad | 90% of the failures are .ru |
| 17:46.48 | brlcad | do we have _any_ valid .ru accounts? :) |
| 17:46.48 | JeffM2501 | yeah those are the spam bots |
| 17:46.54 | JeffM2501 | I've never seen one |
| 17:47.08 | brlcad | maybe menotume can scan the db for any |
| 17:47.16 | JeffM2501 | they don't activate |
| 17:47.26 | JeffM2501 | so they should be pulled from the weekly dead scan |
| 17:47.34 | brlcad | i know, i mean to check if there are any activated from a valid user |
| 17:47.35 | JeffM2501 | asuming we are still runing that on the new host |
| 17:47.38 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 17:48.04 | brlcad | i mean, how many hearts will be broken if .ru e-mails were rejected outright? :) |
| 17:48.13 | JeffM2501 | 5 |
| 17:48.24 | JeffM2501 | cus that's how many spamers there probably are |
| 17:48.35 | brlcad | heh |
| 17:49.56 | menotume | scan, who, what, when ? |
| 17:50.19 | brlcad | menotume: can you see if there are any activated accounts with an email ending in .ru ? |
| 17:51.24 | JeffM2501 | how long does it take for a domain name to change namservers? |
| 17:51.43 | brlcad | depends on caching timings |
| 17:51.48 | brlcad | up to 3 days globally |
| 17:51.56 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
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| 17:52.41 | brlcad | usually by day two it's done |
| 18:15.36 | ToughShooter_ | brad: too late :/ |
| 18:16.57 | ToughShooter | Looks like when the shootee is nr the opponent dies |
| 18:20.27 | brad | hmm |
| 18:20.37 | JeffM2501 | then maybe thye didn't see the shot go thru them |
| 18:20.40 | JeffM2501 | due to lag |
| 18:20.46 | JeffM2501 | stuff like that is hard to say |
| 18:23.18 | menotume | brlcad, yes - one moment |
| 18:30.42 | menotume | there are many .ru active users |
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| 18:31.34 | bryjen | define active |
| 18:31.42 | menotume | sry, activated |
| 18:32.07 | brlcad | how many? :) |
| 18:32.30 | brlcad | (and damn) |
| 18:32.43 | menotume | 72 |
| 18:32.55 | bryjen | JeffM2501 may not be entirely correct in saying the spam ones don't activate |
| 18:33.13 | menotume | Janis1992 janis1992@list.ru |
| 18:33.18 | menotume | oop |
| 18:33.20 | brlcad | menotume: can you save a list of them to a file? |
| 18:33.26 | menotume | sure |
| 18:33.27 | brlcad | want to check if any play |
| 18:33.39 | menotume | i can do better |
| 18:33.43 | brlcad | if none play, I'd think it'd be worthwhile to ban the lot of them |
| 18:34.01 | brlcad | i mean, to ban *.ru emails outright |
| 18:34.05 | brad | janis is somewhat real |
| 18:34.07 | menotume | ahh |
| 18:34.26 | brlcad | brad: i'm sure there are lots of players named janis |
| 18:34.32 | brad | true :) |
| 18:34.55 | menotume | brad: pm |
| 18:34.59 | menotume | oops |
| 18:35.02 | menotume | brlcad: pm |
| 18:35.15 | brad | that always happens |
| 18:35.18 | menotume | :) |
| 18:37.41 | bryjen | when I was trying to clean it up, there were alot with *.something.info as their web site and the usernames were often like Name#### |
| 18:39.10 | bryjen | hmm, several recent registrations with .ua web sites... |
| 18:41.24 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: btw.. 2.0.8 is in the debian queue. should fix the amd64 issue finally. 2.0.6 got pulled from testing a few days ago. |
| 18:42.07 | bryjen | using "Mongolia" for the Location in the profile also seems common |
| 18:43.17 | Mr_Molez | ~bzflist |
| 18:44.44 | brlcad | mod_security actually catches a lot of them now, but certainly not all |
| 18:44.54 | *** join/#bzflag Birdie (n=Birdie__@d51A46E43.access.telenet.be) |
| 18:45.10 | brlcad | it's caught a couple that made it through registration, but denied their post |
| 18:45.47 | brlcad | about a hundred urls for various 'offshore' drug companies |
| 18:47.00 | bryjen | hrm http://my.bzflag.org/bb/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=12849 |
| 18:47.44 | *** join/#bzflag amcnabb (n=amcnabb@c-67-169-251-207.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 18:47.48 | bryjen | that may be a real person. he should keep his location and interests to himeself. |
| 18:48.02 | brlcad | probably is a real person I'd bet |
| 18:48.31 | *** join/#bzflag [dmp] (n=dennis@koderen.dk) |
| 18:54.36 | gsnedders | i officially declare the red team on Viper's the worst team EVER. |
| 18:56.19 | Manu | gsnedders, you were one of them ;) |
| 18:57.31 | gsnedders | :D |
| 18:58.02 | gsnedders | Manu: we should put that on the people page, on the site |
| 18:58.15 | gsnedders | (Un)Guided Missile: part of the worst team EVER. |
| 18:59.00 | Manu | :) |
| 19:01.37 | gsnedders | Manu: http://geoffers.uni.cc/bz/viperadmin.html |
| 19:04.26 | Manu | Error 404: http://geoffers.uni.cc/bz/people.html :) |
| 19:04.52 | Manu | now i works :) |
| 19:05.08 | gsnedders | I just renamed it to index.html |
| 19:05.14 | gsnedders | http://geoffers.uni.cc/bz/ |
| 19:05.29 | gsnedders | Manu: it adds "Don't steal teammates flags without very good reason. All it'll do is annoy them. They may teamkill you." |
| 19:05.57 | gsnedders | I'll probably completely redo the page tonight. Too much of it has just been added on to previous content to be nice to read. |
| 19:06.38 | Manu | ok |
| 19:07.13 | gsnedders | maybe add someā¦ colour :P |
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| 19:28.17 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v DTRemenak|RDP] by ChanServ |
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| 19:35.29 | RatOmeter | confound it. last week I got the newest Radeon 9600 driver from ATI to solve a hanging client problem. Went without a hitch til today. 2.0.6 (win32) locked up on me again. |
| 19:36.14 | RatOmeter | I wonder if there's any kind of quick and easy debug method to try to pinpoint my problem |
| 19:36.59 | brad | win 14 |
| 19:37.10 | brad | always forget the / ! |
| 19:39.48 | spldart | I do all my bz'ing on a 9600 I occasional had problems with lockups on a 9800 pro though |
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| 19:42.03 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v Erroneous] by ChanServ |
| 19:44.33 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, cool |
| 19:48.55 | JeffM2501 | looks like the release went prety well then |
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| 20:18.42 | gsnedders | :o |
| 20:18.43 | gsnedders | why? |
| 20:21.41 | *** part/#bzflag |zongo| (n=zongo@4.249.203.62.cust.bluewin.ch) |
| 20:22.45 | *** join/#bzflag RPG_ (n=darkslac@c-24-15-87-171.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 20:24.19 | RPG_ | The BZFlag Image Uploadder is up! Beta-test it at http://images.bzflag.org/submitimages/ |
| 20:26.09 | orchid | nice RPG_ |
| 20:26.15 | *** join/#bzflag Blue_Eyes (n=Blue@host219-219.pool870.interbusiness.it) |
| 20:26.20 | RPG_ | questions/comments/bugs in the script can be reported and i'll fix them |
| 20:26.54 | a-delusion | it says "you have been logged in" just after i log out |
| 20:27.53 | Mr_Molez | really |
| 20:27.56 | Mr_Molez | says You have to be logged in to upload images. |
| 20:27.58 | Mr_Molez | when i log out :P |
| 20:28.27 | RPG_ | allrighty |
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| 20:28.45 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ |
| 20:33.33 | Birdie | Manu some one doesnt like you |
| 20:33.56 | Birdie | some one came with a very offensive name on gu to tk and abuse and "manu" was part of the nick:( |
| 20:34.05 | Birdie | what did you do:) |
| 20:35.22 | Deepa | i got a sort of question |
| 20:35.32 | Deepa | how in the name of god do you get lusers to join your server :p??? |
| 20:36.21 | bryjen | i'm not sure god has anything to do with it. you might try not calling them lusers. :P |
| 20:36.31 | Mr_Molez | heh |
| 20:38.27 | JeffM2501 | you have to stand out in some way from the 200 other servers out there |
| 20:38.33 | JeffM2501 | are we at 1:1 yet? |
| 20:39.03 | orchid | close |
| 20:39.19 | JeffM2501 | it's sad |
| 20:39.38 | JeffM2501 | how can a server expect to run if it's almost one player per server |
| 20:39.42 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 20:39.48 | JeffM2501 | and the dogs and cats |
| 20:39.50 | JeffM2501 | don't forget them |
| 20:39.55 | brlcad | heh |
| 20:40.06 | JeffM2501 | should maybe make the list do a tree thing |
| 20:40.13 | JeffM2501 | so servers of the same host have to be expanded |
| 20:40.22 | JeffM2501 | but then we'd need something more then a page type interface |
| 20:40.25 | brlcad | that would be good |
| 20:41.20 | brlcad | so at least the kiddies would have to have access to DNS to get their 20 servers listed 20 times |
| 20:41.21 | bryjen | seperate pages/branches for CTF, FFA, etc... |
| 20:41.32 | brlcad | bryjen: that's crazy talk |
| 20:41.34 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:41.41 | JeffM2501 | but in aditon to that doing a tree |
| 20:41.45 | Mr_Molez | i say just ban no-ip.org things :P |
| 20:41.46 | bryjen | brlcad: JeffM2501 started it! |
| 20:41.48 | bryjen | ;P |
| 20:43.02 | orchid | heh |
| 20:43.12 | brlcad | embedded bzflag-spy |
| 20:43.49 | JeffM2501 | I am the spawn of all evil |
| 20:43.52 | JeffM2501 | me and my silly logic |
| 20:43.55 | Deepa | my server's does stand out o0 |
| 20:43.58 | Deepa | 3 shots |
| 20:43.59 | Deepa | ricochet |
| 20:44.03 | Deepa | and very crowded maps |
| 20:44.12 | JeffM2501 | bryjen, actualy my domains are hosted by no-ip ;) |
| 20:44.35 | Deepa | :o |
| 20:44.37 | JeffM2501 | Deepa, but how would someone find it in a list of 200 servers? |
| 20:44.59 | Deepa | JeffM2501: because it has the title abused armchairs |
| 20:45.00 | Deepa | :D |
| 20:45.00 | JeffM2501 | umm whatever |
| 20:45.15 | bryjen | JeffM2501: tell Mr_Molez |
| 20:45.16 | Deepa | wonder if you even can connect to it :O |
| 20:45.17 | JeffM2501 | the list sucks, you have to get people to know about it in other ways |
| 20:45.17 | Deepa | ~bzfsquery armchairs.be:5155 |
| 20:45.42 | Mr_Molez | lol |
| 20:45.43 | JeffM2501 | my bad |
| 20:45.59 | bryjen | s'ok. it also helps for a server to be UP to get it noticed ;) |
| 20:46.24 | JeffM2501 | a tab for just NEW servers would be cool |
| 20:46.28 | JeffM2501 | to help out the little guys |
| 20:46.31 | Deepa | JeffM2501: uh, how was that bzfsquery thingy nowagain? |
| 20:46.41 | JeffM2501 | dono |
| 20:46.46 | Mr_Molez | yay tab for new servers |
| 20:46.47 | JeffM2501 | /msg ibot help ;) |
| 20:47.01 | Deepa | nothing about bz |
| 20:47.06 | bryjen | ah, no s |
| 20:47.19 | bryjen | ~bzfquery armchairs.be:5155 |
| 20:47.26 | Deepa | o |
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| 20:47.45 | Deepa | <ibot> no help on bzfquery. Use 'help' without arguments. |
| 20:47.49 | Deepa | :( |
| 20:47.55 | Deepa | ~bzfquery armchairs.be:5154 |
| 20:48.00 | Mr_Molez | i say limit people to a max of 3 servers per ip :P |
| 20:48.04 | Deepa | yap both servers works :) |
| 20:48.15 | Mr_Molez | unless they gona pay for the rest ;) |
| 20:48.15 | JeffM2501 | Mr_Molez, that's not a real fix of the problem |
| 20:48.16 | Deepa | Mr_Molez: naaw, then how am i going to stand out then? |
| 20:48.20 | JeffM2501 | the problem is the display of the data |
| 20:48.24 | JeffM2501 | not how much data there is |
| 20:48.30 | Mr_Molez | :-S |
| 20:48.35 | JeffM2501 | better to fix the display |
| 20:48.38 | Mr_Molez | true |
| 20:48.41 | JeffM2501 | there are better ways to display our data |
| 20:48.45 | JeffM2501 | remember |
| 20:48.48 | JeffM2501 | bzflag is a LAN game |
| 20:48.53 | Deepa | it is o0? |
| 20:48.57 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:49.01 | Deepa | that might explain why it lagged for me :/ |
| 20:49.02 | JeffM2501 | it was not designed for the net |
| 20:49.04 | bryjen | not really, it's both. if there were <=10 servers, the flat list would work |
| 20:49.09 | JeffM2501 | it is both NOW |
| 20:49.16 | Deepa | speaking of which |
| 20:49.21 | Deepa | bzflag lags |
| 20:49.23 | JeffM2501 | yeah the list was made when there were small numbers of servers |
| 20:49.26 | Deepa | with around 5-13 fps |
| 20:49.36 | Deepa | on a 1.9GHz AMD ATHLON with a nvidia card :p |
| 20:49.39 | JeffM2501 | now that bzflag is defacto mostly net, then we should make the list talored to net |
| 20:49.50 | Deepa | JeffM2501: maybe add filters? |
| 20:49.51 | JeffM2501 | Deepa, what drivers? |
| 20:49.56 | Mr_Molez | Deepa: get some realy gfx drivers or a better gfx card |
| 20:49.59 | JeffM2501 | Deepa, or somethign other then a list |
| 20:50.00 | Deepa | well the forceware ones? |
| 20:50.01 | Mr_Molez | *real |
| 20:50.22 | Deepa | Mr_Molez: but... CS, guildwars and liero works |
| 20:50.27 | Mr_Molez | o |
| 20:50.34 | Deepa | and they dont lag at all! |
| 20:50.39 | Deepa | (even tho logic says they should) |
| 20:50.39 | JeffM2501 | Deepa, those use direct X |
| 20:50.52 | Deepa | JeffM2501: damn, so then its what i feared? |
| 20:50.59 | JeffM2501 | what did you fear? |
| 20:51.15 | Deepa | that it was bzflags fault |
| 20:51.16 | Deepa | but then again |
| 20:51.20 | JeffM2501 | what? |
| 20:51.22 | Deepa | the really old version |
| 20:51.28 | Deepa | did not use to lag on that computer |
| 20:51.30 | Deepa | but it does now |
| 20:51.33 | JeffM2501 | what version of your drivers do you have? |
| 20:51.35 | JeffM2501 | and for what card? |
| 20:51.45 | Deepa | newest, and its GeForce something Ti |
| 20:51.46 | Deepa | really old |
| 20:51.52 | JeffM2501 | GF3? |
| 20:51.57 | Deepa | yea :p |
| 20:52.05 | JeffM2501 | tell me the version number |
| 20:52.08 | JeffM2501 | from your install |
| 20:52.10 | JeffM2501 | don't guess |
| 20:52.11 | JeffM2501 | find out |
| 20:52.14 | Deepa | ill check it out tomorrow |
| 20:52.16 | JeffM2501 | it's not bzflag's fault |
| 20:52.19 | JeffM2501 | it's your driver |
| 20:52.20 | gsnedders | Manu: what's the current tk ratio for server kick on Viper's? |
| 20:52.20 | Deepa | yay |
| 20:52.30 | Manu | gsnedders, 20% |
| 20:52.37 | Deepa | ow shite, its already 11 o clock |
| 20:52.49 | JeffM2501 | Deepa, language please |
| 20:52.52 | gsnedders | Manu: and how many must you have before you kicked? 2? |
| 20:52.52 | Manu | gsnedders, iirc |
| 20:52.54 | Deepa | ij ust got very tired byujust noticng, |
| 20:52.59 | Deepa | brb sleep |
| 20:53.07 | gsnedders | be _right_ back? |
| 20:53.20 | gsnedders | sleeping normally takes too long for that :P |
| 20:53.20 | Deepa | gsnedders: try and sleep with 3 major tests |
| 20:53.24 | Manu | gsnedders, probably you got kicked before you received yout 3th tk |
| 20:53.41 | gsnedders | Manu: that's what I thought. just wasn't sure of the percentage :) |
| 20:53.50 | Deepa | anywasys brb |
| 20:57.34 | a-delusionbz | it says "how images will you upload today" should say "how many images" |
| 20:58.14 | a-delusionbz | I have uploaded two images, one of them is designed to be rejected |
| 20:58.29 | JeffM2501 | I know ;) |
| 20:59.38 | a-delusionbz | I don't know if you want this, but I'd like to see at least one line for additional comment when uploading |
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| 20:59.58 | JeffM2501 | it's still under dev |
| 21:00.15 | JeffM2501 | why would it need a comment? |
| 21:00.47 | a-delusionbz | well, before, if we got it from some site, you wanted a link to that site |
| 21:01.40 | JeffM2501 | that would be part of the license |
| 21:01.44 | JeffM2501 | you can type your own license in |
| 21:01.52 | a-delusionbz | oh. |
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| 21:04.57 | JeffM2501 | the important thing is, it has the basic fields, and sends me an e-mail :) |
| 21:05.03 | JeffM2501 | and does the file handling |
| 21:05.08 | JeffM2501 | asuming he got the rest of the bugs worked out |
| 21:06.01 | a-delusionbz | I'll upload one or two more, I see the licence box... |
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| 21:06.26 | a-delusionbz | I'll make one of them NOT power of 2 |
| 21:06.26 | JeffM2501 | when it's done it should be a much better way to do the images |
| 21:06.33 | JeffM2501 | that dosnt' mater now |
| 21:06.38 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't even check that |
| 21:06.56 | a-delusionbz | ok, so they can be any size now? |
| 21:07.08 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:07.10 | JeffM2501 | bz will resize them |
| 21:07.18 | JeffM2501 | tho they may look like crap |
| 21:07.27 | a-delusionbz | fotya |
| 21:07.31 | a-delusionbz | gotya |
| 21:13.54 | a-delusionbz | Maybe underneath license there should be a bt of explanation, saying "if you did not create the image, the original author's license must be provided, with a link to the image's source" |
| 21:14.58 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 21:15.13 | JeffM2501 | if you don't have rights to have the image hosting, then you should not be doing it |
| 21:15.23 | JeffM2501 | if you have rights, then you put it in the license |
| 21:15.25 | JeffM2501 | it's THAT simple |
| 21:15.53 | JeffM2501 | if you get it from a website that gives you rights, then you put that in the license, along with anything else they require |
| 21:16.11 | JeffM2501 | we will not host stolen images |
| 21:17.09 | a-delusionbz | paste in their license? can't link to their license? |
| 21:17.19 | JeffM2501 | depends in there license |
| 21:17.23 | JeffM2501 | some may not let you link |
| 21:17.33 | JeffM2501 | you can put a link in the license text if that's acceptable for the license |
| 21:17.58 | trepan | might also want to add a link to a suggested CC license for original works |
| 21:18.11 | JeffM2501 | right now it has a pulldown for PD and GPL |
| 21:18.18 | JeffM2501 | when it's tested I can add the CC licenses to it |
| 21:18.21 | brlcad | pretty much any OSI-approved license |
| 21:18.22 | JeffM2501 | so that is planed |
| 21:18.26 | a-delusionbz | ok, I'd like to see a bit of explanation, when I'm uploading |
| 21:18.29 | JeffM2501 | we just have 2 for testing |
| 21:19.09 | JeffM2501 | a-delusionbz, the explenation will be in the bb post anouncing it |
| 21:19.13 | JeffM2501 | you jsut found it by accedent |
| 21:19.14 | gsnedders | ruskie: ping |
| 21:19.16 | trepan | brlcad: why OSI? |
| 21:19.20 | JeffM2501 | it's not ready for public consumption |
| 21:19.21 | ruskie | gsnedders, PONG!!! |
| 21:19.31 | brlcad | trepan: why not? |
| 21:19.46 | brlcad | includes public domain and CC |
| 21:19.48 | ruskie | QSI-approved is useless |
| 21:19.48 | JeffM2501 | there may be non OSI licenses that would work |
| 21:20.02 | JeffM2501 | like 'use but don't modify" |
| 21:20.03 | trepan | don't see the CC licenses listed for OSI |
| 21:20.07 | JeffM2501 | since it's just a download |
| 21:20.10 | L4m3r | Jeff, will you be allowed to upload someone else's images provided that you have the rights? |
| 21:20.22 | JeffM2501 | L4m3r, yes that is why there is a field for "author" |
| 21:20.29 | L4m3r | good. :) |
| 21:20.34 | brlcad | ah, true, not CC |
| 21:20.43 | brlcad | i didn't mean that to be exclusive |
| 21:20.45 | trepan | it's not really necessary that the license be applicable to "open source software" |
| 21:20.55 | JeffM2501 | GPL makes little sense for iamges |
| 21:20.56 | brlcad | just saying that there are no legal problems with any OSI licenses and that's the main concern |
| 21:21.01 | JeffM2501 | as what is the "source" |
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| 21:21.20 | gsnedders | in the context of a photo, the negative? |
| 21:21.23 | JeffM2501 | when he's done, we can add licenses to the pulldown easy, he has a text file |
| 21:21.24 | brlcad | all OSI allow unhindered redistribution, which is what is going on herre |
| 21:21.33 | gsnedders | or what's portrayed in the photo |
| 21:21.34 | trepan | was just thinking that CC seems more appropriate for media |
| 21:22.11 | brlcad | so any OSI, CC, or public domain image |
| 21:22.20 | trepan | (and i like the little (CC) symbol =) |
| 21:22.38 | L4m3r | is there a "do whatever the hell you want but don't steal credit" license? |
| 21:22.42 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 21:22.49 | brlcad | or custom that allows caveatless redistribution |
| 21:22.52 | JeffM2501 | L4m3r, look at the cc ones |
| 21:22.59 | L4m3r | ok, thx |
| 21:23.00 | JeffM2501 | one of them is basicly that |
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| 21:23.36 | brlcad | L4m3r: that is exactly what the BSD/MIT license says |
| 21:24.14 | brlcad | http://opensource.org/licenses/bsd-license.php |
| 21:24.56 | L4m3r | hm... |
| 21:25.12 | trepan | http://creativecommons.org/license |
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| 21:26.10 | L4m3r | ah, thx trepan, looks perfect |
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| 22:17.54 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, :( |
| 22:18.17 | Gnurdux | the patch that you put in from me to fix the vars stuff isnt in 2.0.8 |
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| 22:19.50 | Gnurdux | you moved it |
| 22:20.00 | Gnurdux | the setting it to false |
| 22:20.05 | Gnurdux | so that it doesnt remember vars files |
| 22:21.02 | [dmp] | RPG_: calm dont, its not ready yet :-) |
| 22:34.02 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, just curious: why did you move my unsetting saveDefault to AFTER the varsfile? |
| 22:39.51 | brad | win 18 |
| 23:03.29 | nick125 | when I get these error messages from bzfs, what exactly do they mean: shot over speed 124.998535 120.000000 |
| 23:04.34 | blast007 | nick125: that means that someone shot a bullet too fast, which can either mean lag or cheating |
| 23:05.19 | blast007 | it can also be caused by physics drivers I belive |
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| 23:06.46 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, so that the vars file is default |
| 23:06.54 | JeffM2501 | so that it only undoes /set commands |
| 23:06.56 | Gnurdux | i meant from After |
| 23:07.03 | Gnurdux | mine was after |
| 23:07.08 | Gnurdux | yours was before JBGood |
| 23:07.09 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, |
| 23:07.10 | JeffM2501 | and it's not now? |
| 23:07.12 | Gnurdux | yes |
| 23:07.17 | JeffM2501 | then it's a screwup |
| 23:07.19 | Gnurdux | look at the code for 2.0.8 |
| 23:07.21 | Gnurdux | bzfs.cxx |
| 23:07.22 | Gnurdux | :( |
| 23:07.24 | JeffM2501 | welcome to the real world |
| 23:07.27 | JeffM2501 | she said to me |
| 23:07.35 | nick125 | well, I've noticed that some things these people are doing are weird.. |
| 23:08.17 | nick125 | these people have really low latency too..hrm |
| 23:08.32 | nick125 | 62ms +/- 10 |
| 23:09.13 | nick125 | how would I be able to tell if they are cheating? |
| 23:11.24 | PuMpErNiCkLe | follow them in observer mode? |
| 23:11.27 | nick125 | there was a list of all the cheats for bzflag..I cant' remember where that was |
| 23:12.14 | nick125 | aah, on the wiki.. |
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| 23:13.20 | nick125 | also, its not normal for a user with rapid fire to be able to shoot though walls, right? |
| 23:13.31 | RPG_ | lol |
| 23:13.46 | RPG_ | my suggestion: take down that user's IP, warn him, ban him |
| 23:15.45 | Gnurdux | a server isnt letting me connect, and its saying: Player Gnurdux [0] drop, unresponsive with 16725 bytes queued |
| 23:16.17 | Gnurdux | it syas that a lot of times |
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| 23:21.43 | nick125 | Anyone here know of any client 2.0.8 <-> server 2.0.4 issues? |
| 23:21.51 | RPG_ | the protocol is exactly the same, there shouldn't be any |
| 23:22.16 | nick125 | yeah, the player is now in my IRC channel saying they don't cheat.. |
| 23:22.33 | nick125 | what other reasons would a bullet go faster then normal other then cheating and lag? |
| 23:22.56 | RPG_ | Rapid Fire and Machine Gun flags speed up shot |
| 23:23.12 | nick125 | the user didn't have those on |
| 23:23.24 | nick125 | and the server logs show that one error *points up* |
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| 23:28.50 | JeffM2501 | ibot nslookup opencombat.net |
| 23:28.51 | Gnurdux | can someone help me? |
| 23:28.55 | JeffM2501 | whoot |
| 23:29.57 | JeffM2501 | anyone that has a bakadigital.com hostname.. I am going to start converting them to opencombat.net, please msg me if that's ok, or not. |
| 23:31.09 | JeffM2501 | or if anyone needs one, I can make new ones ;) |
| 23:32.54 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, ever heard of the server doing: Player Gnurdux [0] drop, unresponsive with 16725 bytes queued |
| 23:33.12 | JeffM2501 | in cvs head, yes |
| 23:33.19 | Gnurdux | and then not doing anything |
| 23:33.38 | Gnurdux | my 2.0.8 is doing that |
| 23:34.29 | Gnurdux | bzflag/src/game/NetHandler.cxx: DEBUG2("Player %s [%d] drop, unresponsive with %d bytes queued\n", |
| 23:34.29 | JeffM2501 | debug and find out why your bot isnt' geting packets |
| 23:34.29 | Gnurdux | bot? |
| 23:34.29 | JeffM2501 | ahhh what is tihe number in the [] |
| 23:34.39 | Gnurdux | 0 |
| 23:34.46 | JeffM2501 | *sigh* I can see that |
| 23:34.49 | JeffM2501 | what is it pulled from? |
| 23:34.58 | Gnurdux | ill paste the whole server output |
| 23:35.06 | Gnurdux | pastebin |
| 23:35.16 | JeffM2501 | dude, just looka t the line of code |
| 23:35.24 | JeffM2501 | and tell me what the second variable in the debug is |
| 23:35.32 | JeffM2501 | you know how to code, think |
| 23:36.33 | Gnurdux | playerIndex' |
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| 23:37.47 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, |
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| 23:38.54 | JeffM2501 | ahh ok |
| 23:39.10 | JeffM2501 | well then the server, can't send to you |
| 23:39.33 | JeffM2501 | the nethandler hasn't been able to pump any data thru |
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| 23:48.41 | menotume | JeffM2501: is that page ok ? need anything else? :) |
| 23:49.14 | RPG_ | ANNOUNCEMENT: Help beta-test the future of BZFlag! Test our image-uploading script at http://images.bzflag.bz/submitimages/ ! Upload images of any kind, testing is good! |
| 23:49.42 | menotume | any kind? |
| 23:49.44 | menotume | w00t |
| 23:49.47 | orchid | :) |
| 23:50.14 | JeffM2501 | menotume, yeah it's fine |
| 23:51.29 | brad | "How images will you be uploading today, brad2901? (max 9 per time)" |
| 23:52.01 | RPG_ | i know about that :-P |
| 23:52.11 | brad | fix it ! :) |
| 23:52.12 | RPG_ | i'll be fixing it once my main machine finishes working |
| 23:54.20 | menotume | You cannot upload image 1, because you do not have the rights to upload it! |
| 23:54.20 | menotume | Now, you can sit back and wait while your images are approved by an Administrator. You will recieve an e-mail notice when they have been approved / rejected. |
| 23:55.09 | RPG_ | menotume: you have to check the box that says "I have the rights to post this image" |
| 23:55.24 | RPG_ | otherwise it will assume you don't have the rights, and not post it :O |
| 23:55.33 | RPG_ | maybe i should make that more clear-cut |
| 23:56.01 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, what would cause that? |
| 23:57.51 | menotume | i understand that, but why does it tell me to "sit back and ..." |
| 23:58.03 | menotume | there you go Jeff, auth that image :) |
| 23:59.54 | menotume | puh! fine? JUST fine? :P |