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| 00:29.23 | KyleH | does anyone here use Teamspeak in Linux? |
| 00:31.40 | brlcad | you don't?? we all do |
| 00:31.57 | KyleH | I'm trying to get it to work |
| 00:32.26 | KyleH | teamspeak works on /dev/dsp but none of the oss virtual devices /dev/dspx |
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| 01:40.59 | jzaun | Hello |
| 01:41.14 | Gnurdux | KyleH, this aint #teamspeak |
| 01:41.28 | jzaun | Is anyone working on a world editor for v2 worlds? |
| 01:41.35 | Gnurdux | jzaun, blender plugin |
| 01:41.56 | Gnurdux | theres a script for blender that lets it save and load bzflag 2.x worlds |
| 01:42.01 | jzaun | Gnurdux, um... blender is way to dificult to learn |
| 01:42.09 | jzaun | i have the script installed |
| 01:42.16 | Gnurdux | then no |
| 01:42.28 | Gnurdux | all of the devs say blender is the future of map editing |
| 01:42.30 | trepan | jzaun: wings3d is easier to learn |
| 01:43.19 | jzaun | Gnurdux, so be it, but its not the easiest program to learn, I have yet to figureout how to do much of anything in it :-/ |
| 01:43.26 | Gnurdux | same here |
| 01:43.31 | jzaun | trepan, wings3d? |
| 01:43.40 | trepan | jzaun: google |
| 01:43.40 | Gnurdux | trepan, does the wings3d stuff support 2.x objects? |
| 01:43.55 | Gnurdux | jzaun, wings3d is like blender but easier |
| 01:44.12 | trepan | the a bzw exporter for wings3d, there's an OBJ to BZW converter (called modeltool) |
| 01:44.42 | Gnurdux | but no objects other than meshes? |
| 01:45.01 | trepan | Gnurdux: if you knew anything about modelling, you wouldn't be prone to saying such silly things |
| 01:45.14 | trepan | actually, take that statement and generalize it |
| 01:45.36 | jzaun | I would think that all objects are meshes :-) |
| 01:46.35 | trepan | jzaun: that's the way it may eventually go, for now you'll need to do the bases, teles, links, etc... separately |
| 01:47.04 | jzaun | trepan, thats ok, you had to in the v1 maps too :-) |
| 01:47.29 | trepan | bzedit for v1's (supported most everything) |
| 01:47.39 | trepan | except weapons? can't remember |
| 01:47.44 | blast007 | yeah, no weapons |
| 01:47.50 | blast007 | also no bzdb vars |
| 01:48.00 | blast007 | (fixed worldsize in the editor too) |
| 01:48.27 | trepan | i add the "options" block in v1? |
| 01:48.46 | blast007 | bzedit was mainly for 1.7 style maps |
| 01:48.57 | blast007 | there was support for shootthrough and drivethrough |
| 01:48.58 | JeffM2501 | it's all about the blender plugin now |
| 01:49.18 | blast007 | and in later versions it didn't butcher things it wasn't aware of |
| 01:49.35 | jzaun | I haven't made maps in a good long time :-) back when I ran jzaun.com as a rotating server.. but thats been years :-] |
| 01:50.21 | brlcad | i could still easily eclipse the blender plugin feature-wise |
| 01:50.36 | trepan | at the price of using brlcad ;) |
| 01:50.49 | brlcad | yep, that's the pennance |
| 01:52.04 | JeffM2501 | you can do textures? |
| 01:52.45 | brlcad | can do all the world attributes, automatic level of detail meshes, textures, ability to customize a gui panel with arbitrary functionality hooked in |
| 01:53.00 | jzaun | JeffM2501, the problem I'm coming up agenst with the blender plugin, is its not a world editor, its a mesh editor.... how do you add teleports, weapons, etc. |
| 01:53.06 | trepan | brlcad: what part can't blender do? |
| 01:53.32 | trepan | jzaun: it's in the "scripts" menu, iirc |
| 01:53.48 | brlcad | trepan: beats me, I don't much care really -- it's useful functionality either way to work out |
| 01:54.20 | trepan | just wondering when the eclipse is to beexpected |
| 01:54.24 | jzaun | trepan, its a hack.. its not a map/world editor, its a modeling tool. but thats just my opinion |
| 01:56.48 | brlcad | trepan: not that you would, but i wouldn't hold recommend holding your breath of course, there are other pressing priorities |
| 01:57.07 | JeffM2501 | jzaun, the plugin is suposed to have all that stuff |
| 01:57.08 | brlcad | but the importer will at least happen |
| 01:57.15 | JeffM2501 | I'm not talking about the obj export |
| 01:57.16 | brlcad | that's already on our scheduled task list |
| 01:58.55 | JeffM2501 | IIRC the bender plugin, the current one adds a UI for all the bz objects |
| 01:59.49 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, can you do terrain heightmaps? |
| 02:04.37 | brlcad | yep |
| 02:05.00 | brlcad | i'd be surprised if blender couldn't too |
| 02:11.52 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure it can |
| 02:12.48 | JeffM2501 | have to figure out how to get the terrain detail higher in this http://marathon.gibbscam.com/~jeffm/images/screenshots/terrain.png |
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| 02:18.46 | jzaun | ok I've downloaded the latest blender plugin... but I get errors on importing worlds. |
| 02:19.14 | jzaun | can't find the textures anywhere |
| 02:19.21 | JeffM2501 | are they on the web? |
| 02:20.47 | jzaun | not on http://www.teppic.homelinux.net/BZWTools/ that I can see |
| 02:21.07 | trepan | edit BZconfig.py |
| 02:24.25 | jzaun | trepan, same error can't find textures |
| 02:25.29 | jzaun | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:25.29 | jzaun | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:26.11 | trepan | what's your BZFlag_texture_path set to? |
| 02:26.38 | jzaun | '' |
| 02:26.47 | trepan | that seem right to you? |
| 02:27.10 | jzaun | yah... skip it can download from Server_texture_host |
| 02:27.23 | trepan | ex: BZFlag_texture_path='/home/trepan/BZ/DEV/data/' |
| 02:27.40 | trepan | notice the KnownTextures list? |
| 02:27.53 | jzaun | so I need to grab the source of bzflag to use this plugin? |
| 02:28.11 | trepan | you need the textures |
| 02:28.35 | jzaun | got a URL to them, thats not the full source for the game? |
| 02:28.39 | jzaun | :-) |
| 02:28.54 | trepan | good luck :) |
| 02:29.29 | jzaun | I'll file a bug then... the plugin isn't useable as downloaded... :-[ |
| 02:30.17 | JeffM2501 | it needs to know where to get the plugins that are on the web |
| 02:30.22 | JeffM2501 | bz can download textures now |
| 02:31.59 | trepan | JeffM2501: that's not his problem, the plugin croaks if it can't find one of the standard textures that it expects to find in the dir specified in BZconfig.py |
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| 02:32.48 | Gnurdux | Think_differentl 's server seems to be freezing clients when the try to connect |
| 02:33.05 | Gnurdux | freezes at Downloading files... but bzadmin works |
| 02:33.16 | Gnurdux | and he IS forwarding both TCP and UDP |
| 02:33.16 | Think_differentl | yes |
| 02:33.24 | Think_differentl | both |
| 02:33.44 | trepan | afaik, the plugin does not download textures required by a map, but will try to pick them out of the cache |
| 02:33.57 | Think_differentl | currrently running on a P3 256mb ram, ubuntu linux 5.10 |
| 02:34.15 | Think_differentl | its a 2.0.2 server |
| 02:34.24 | Gnurdux | and 2.0.2 is old as crap |
| 02:34.27 | Think_differentl | ryea |
| 02:34.29 | Think_differentl | lol |
| 02:34.38 | jzaun | bug filed... wonder it will get fixed :-/ |
| 02:34.40 | Think_differentl | i apt-got it from the ubuntu repositories |
| 02:34.47 | Gnurdux | well... |
| 02:34.49 | trepan | looks like it needs the 'URL -> filename' translation added |
| 02:35.01 | Gnurdux | Think_differentl, your ubuntu doesnt come with a compiler, does it? |
| 02:35.06 | Gnurdux | type "gcc" in a terminal |
| 02:35.07 | Think_differentl | i dunno. |
| 02:35.08 | Gnurdux | what happens |
| 02:35.20 | Think_differentl | cpmmand not found |
| 02:35.23 | Gnurdux | hmm |
| 02:35.29 | Gnurdux | that sucks |
| 02:35.31 | Gnurdux | ubuntu sucks |
| 02:35.33 | Think_differentl | eyaha |
| 02:35.38 | Gnurdux | get debian testing |
| 02:35.42 | Think_differentl | nar. |
| 02:35.49 | Think_differentl | im not goin tru this all over again |
| 02:35.53 | Gnurdux | its very similar; ubuntu is debian based |
| 02:35.58 | Think_differentl | yes i know. |
| 02:36.01 | Gnurdux | testing has 2.0.6 |
| 02:36.02 | Think_differentl | ive done deb before |
| 02:36.06 | Think_differentl | so??? |
| 02:36.08 | Gnurdux | and it comes with a compiler |
| 02:36.14 | Think_differentl | i can just add the deb repositories |
| 02:36.19 | Gnurdux | any distro worth its salt comes with a compile |
| 02:36.26 | Gnurdux | Think_differentl, if you wanna b0rk your system, sure |
| 02:36.51 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, not true, shuddap when you don't kow what your talking about |
| 02:37.13 | JeffM2501 | debian base dosn't |
| 02:37.33 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, but all the standard tasksel options do |
| 02:37.40 | JeffM2501 | so |
| 02:37.47 | Think_differentl | .......................... |
| 02:37.48 | Gnurdux | ubuntu has 1 CD with supposedly all you need, but no GCC |
| 02:37.55 | JeffM2501 | ubuntu has optons for that too, he just didn't pick it |
| 02:38.00 | JeffM2501 | now stop telling him what to do |
| 02:38.02 | Think_differentl | huh> |
| 02:38.02 | Gnurdux | Think_differentl, that might mix version numbers |
| 02:38.10 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, not on their little CD |
| 02:38.22 | Gnurdux | Think_differentl, mixing library versions can break programs |
| 02:38.27 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, same for debian, it's apt, who cares where it's coming from |
| 02:38.33 | JeffM2501 | he can run 2.0.2 if he wants |
| 02:38.37 | JeffM2501 | leave it at that |
| 02:38.38 | Gnurdux | so if you mix ubuntu stable with debian testing, stuff will get screwed |
| 02:38.43 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, its freezing clients |
| 02:38.56 | JeffM2501 | how do you know it's the version |
| 02:38.58 | JeffM2501 | not something else |
| 02:39.00 | Gnurdux | i dont |
| 02:39.04 | Gnurdux | connect to his IP, port 5154 |
| 02:39.06 | JeffM2501 | then stop GUESSING! |
| 02:39.09 | Gnurdux | youll see what we mean |
| 02:39.23 | JeffM2501 | if he wants to figure it out, he will |
| 02:39.26 | JeffM2501 | you can't force him |
| 02:39.28 | Gnurdux | 70.21.92.87 |
| 02:39.31 | JeffM2501 | if you don't like it play somewhere else |
| 02:39.49 | Think_differentl | i just wanna have a workin sever |
| 02:39.53 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, he wants my help; i led him here. im not just annoying him |
| 02:40.00 | Gnurdux | so you stop guessing |
| 02:40.03 | Think_differentl | nope. gnurdux is right |
| 02:40.17 | JeffM2501 | Think_differentl, then it would be best if you learned how use your server OS to get the things you need then |
| 02:40.33 | Gnurdux | and see how helpful THAT is |
| 02:40.44 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, we are not here to teach people how to use there computers |
| 02:40.46 | Think_differentl | ........ |
| 02:40.53 | JeffM2501 | if they can't do that, then it's THERE job to learn it |
| 02:41.01 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, what makes you say he can't do that? |
| 02:41.06 | Think_differentl | their |
| 02:41.06 | Think_differentl | not there |
| 02:41.25 | JeffM2501 | I didbn't say he can't, I said IF he can't |
| 02:41.28 | Gnurdux | Think_differentl, JeffM2501 cant type/spell but don't worry about it, hes understandable |
| 02:41.35 | trepan | chimps playing chess |
| 02:41.37 | Think_differentl | :) |
| 02:41.38 | Gnurdux | you implied it |
| 02:41.50 | JeffM2501 | no I didn't you read it into the statement |
| 02:41.52 | Gnurdux | whatever this is stupid |
| 02:41.58 | Think_differentl | ...................... |
| 02:42.03 | JeffM2501 | Think_differentl, there are a couple debian packages you can just download |
| 02:42.07 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, can you try connecting to the server |
| 02:42.09 | JeffM2501 | or you can get the compilers and build your own |
| 02:42.11 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, no |
| 02:42.12 | jzaun | Gnurdux, definatly hangs bzflag when connecting to that server :-/ |
| 02:42.13 | JeffM2501 | no I can not |
| 02:42.23 | JeffM2501 | it's not that I don't belive you |
| 02:42.26 | Gnurdux | true try the debian stable package |
| 02:42.33 | JeffM2501 | just for once Gnurdux I wish you'd stop thinking it's all about use |
| 02:42.36 | JeffM2501 | about you |
| 02:42.40 | Gnurdux | but you don't want to freeze your client, or your at work? |
| 02:42.44 | Think_differentl | look.i got an os. thats all i want. i dont want to change |
| 02:42.52 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, don't presume to know what I'm doing |
| 02:42.56 | JeffM2501 | Think_differentl, exactly |
| 02:42.58 | Gnurdux | Think_differentl, ubuntu supports most debian packages? |
| 02:43.06 | JeffM2501 | yes, ubuntu is based on apt |
| 02:43.09 | Gnurdux | so |
| 02:43.12 | Think_differentl | since its based, it should |
| 02:43.21 | JeffM2501 | beta.bzflag.bz/builds/2.0.x/ |
| 02:43.21 | Gnurdux | you cna get the debian testing package, and it will most probably work |
| 02:43.24 | JeffM2501 | get the 2.0.7 package |
| 02:43.31 | Gnurdux | or you can get one of those debian stable pacakges |
| 02:43.35 | JeffM2501 | then dpkg -i thepackage |
| 02:43.36 | Gnurdux | which will definitely work |
| 02:43.48 | Gnurdux | well not definitely |
| 02:44.01 | JeffM2501 | good lord he can learn |
| 02:44.05 | Gnurdux | but almost certainly, their for older libs so should work fine; they work on deb testing |
| 02:44.19 | JeffM2501 | just try the 2.0.7 |
| 02:44.24 | JeffM2501 | it should work fine |
| 02:44.34 | JeffM2501 | if it still has the problem, then it's probably not the server software |
| 02:44.36 | Gnurdux | then: sudo dpkg -i filename.deb |
| 02:45.23 | Gnurdux | JBGood, |
| 02:45.32 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, that link is just hte windoiws installer |
| 02:45.44 | JeffM2501 | there should be a package in there somewhere |
| 02:45.45 | Gnurdux | for 2.0.5 |
| 02:45.52 | Gnurdux | http://beta.bzflag.bz/builds/2.0.x/ |
| 02:45.55 | Gnurdux | go there yourself |
| 02:46.01 | Think_differentl | aarg |
| 02:46.04 | Think_differentl | its windwoes |
| 02:46.07 | Think_differentl | ! |
| 02:46.11 | JeffM2501 | dude stop telling me to go places I trust you, I got the URL rwrong just chill |
| 02:47.08 | JeffM2501 | beta.bzflag.bz/builds/2.0.7/ |
| 02:47.50 | Gnurdux | <Gnurdux> JeffM2501, that link is just hte windoiws installer |
| 02:47.50 | Gnurdux | <JeffM2501> there should be a package in there somewhere --- sure... shows how much you believed me |
| 02:48.01 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, I GOT IT WRONG |
| 02:48.02 | JeffM2501 | dude |
| 02:48.15 | JeffM2501 | if your just going to repeat what I say then your not helping |
| 02:48.22 | Think_differentl | ..................] |
| 02:48.56 | JeffM2501 | it's in the 2.0.7 dir |
| 02:51.29 | JeffM2501 | there are server and client debs in there |
| 02:51.33 | JeffM2501 | install that |
| 02:51.37 | JeffM2501 | it's the same as 2.0.8 |
| 02:53.20 | JeffM2501 | Think_differentl, basicly ubutntu takes a while to get the packages in there system, so you do it manualy |
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| 04:12.32 | Gnurdux | hi A_Meteorite |
| 04:12.38 | A_Meteorite | hello |
| 04:12.46 | Think_differentl | hello |
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| 05:58.06 | bob7 | hi |
| 05:58.52 | bob7 | Hey, um, I'm having some problems compiling bzflag |
| 05:58.57 | bob7 | maybe someone can help me |
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| 06:00.42 | bob_07 | hello? |
| 06:02.27 | bob_07 | anybody home? |
| 06:03.04 | blast007 | nope |
| 06:03.16 | bob_07 | hah |
| 06:03.25 | blast007 | state your question |
| 06:03.39 | bob_07 | when I run ./configure |
| 06:03.45 | bob_07 | it errors out with this: |
| 06:03.58 | bob_07 | configure: WARNING: Client build has been requested, but GL is not fully availab le (missing gl.h) |
| 06:03.58 | bob_07 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:04.19 | bob_07 | I'm running Ubuntu |
| 06:04.29 | blast007 | missing some package that provides the OpenGL headers |
| 06:04.29 | bob_07 | and I'm fairly sure I have gl.h |
| 06:04.33 | blast007 | hmm |
| 06:04.56 | blast007 | the config.log would provide more insight into why it is failing |
| 06:05.52 | trepan | also needs GLU, message needs to be updated; but ya, config.log ... |
| 06:06.05 | bob_07 | you want me to past it here? |
| 06:06.33 | blast007 | no ;) |
| 06:06.56 | blast007 | typical config.log is even too big for most pastebins |
| 06:07.24 | bob_07 | This file contains any messages produced by compilers while |
| 06:07.24 | bob_07 | running configure, to aid debugging if configure makes a mistake. |
| 06:07.24 | bob_07 | It was created by configure, which was |
| 06:07.24 | bob_07 | generated by GNU Autoconf 2.59. Invocation command line was |
| 06:07.24 | bob_07 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:07.34 | brad | eep |
| 06:07.58 | brad | heh |
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| 06:08.53 | blast007 | ~bzpastebin |
| 06:08.59 | ibot | somebody said bzpastebin was a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel, and it archives too. - try http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/ |
| 06:08.59 | bob_07 | there you go |
| 06:12.03 | bob_07 | ok, thanks |
| 06:12.03 | bob_07 | huh |
| 06:12.03 | bob_07 | timed out when loading pastebin |
| 06:12.06 | bob_07 | darn connection problems |
| 06:13.09 | bob_07 | http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/59512 |
| 06:16.58 | bob_07 | ok? |
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| 06:26.06 | bob_07 | hmm? |
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| 06:32.33 | bob_07 | well? |
| 06:32.56 | L4m3r | Deep subject. |
| 06:35.43 | JeffM2501 | you don't have the openGL libs |
| 06:36.01 | bob_07 | ok |
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| 06:36.36 | JeffM2501 | you need ether the mesa dev package, or the nvidia dev one ( if you have an nvidia card ) |
| 06:37.13 | bob_07 | hmm |
| 06:37.35 | bob_07 | I just tried installing both |
| 06:37.45 | bob_07 | dependancy problems |
| 06:37.52 | JeffM2501 | then fix those problems |
| 06:37.59 | JeffM2501 | what video card do you have? |
| 06:38.06 | bob_07 | its an older nvidia |
| 06:38.16 | JeffM2501 | then there is probably a nvidia legacy dev package |
| 06:38.25 | JeffM2501 | it a TNT? |
| 06:38.26 | bob_07 | well, not that old |
| 06:38.38 | bob_07 | Geforce 4 MX 420 |
| 06:39.05 | JeffM2501 | are you running the nvidia drivers? or the "nv" ones that are set by default? |
| 06:39.35 | bob_07 | the nvidia drivers |
| 06:39.50 | JeffM2501 | then the nvidia dev package should install |
| 06:39.52 | Pimpinella | bob_07: debian? |
| 06:39.56 | JeffM2501 | if you have dependency problme |
| 06:40.02 | JeffM2501 | ubuntu pimpi |
| 06:40.11 | Pimpinella | nvidia-glx-dev |
| 06:40.12 | JeffM2501 | just fix the dependenycs |
| 06:40.19 | JeffM2501 | add the packages it says you need |
| 06:40.23 | bob_07 | ubuntu dapper |
| 06:40.32 | bob_07 | yah |
| 06:40.36 | JeffM2501 | that the old one? or the new one? |
| 06:41.09 | Manu | Dapper is in testing, RC |
| 06:41.27 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 06:41.44 | JeffM2501 | so the new new one :) |
| 06:42.02 | Manu | you must install for your graphic card: nvidia-kernel-common, nvidia-glx-dev and nvidia-glx-legacy |
| 06:42.30 | bob_07 | I have the drivers running fine |
| 06:42.37 | Manu | sry, no dev package if you aren't going to compile :) |
| 06:42.45 | JeffM2501 | he is trying to compile |
| 06:42.51 | Manu | then it's fine |
| 06:43.00 | bob_07 | hmm |
| 06:43.02 | JeffM2501 | bob_07, the drivers are only part of it, if you want to compile |
| 06:43.08 | JeffM2501 | there are libs that are needed |
| 06:43.09 | bob_07 | I know |
| 06:43.13 | JeffM2501 | openGL, SDL, libCURL |
| 06:43.17 | JeffM2501 | those are the big uns |
| 06:43.34 | bob_07 | I'm trying to get the libs installed, but apparently the packages are broken |
| 06:43.54 | bob_07 | `libglu1-mesa-dev_6.4.1-0ubuntu8_amd64.deb' is not a debian format archive |
| 06:44.45 | JeffM2501 | well then that may be a problem with the testing verison of your OS |
| 06:44.54 | JeffM2501 | we can't realy fix that for ya |
| 06:45.13 | Pimpinella | bob_07: try "apt-get build-dep bzflag" first. most probably apt will solve your dependency problems |
| 06:46.21 | bob_07 | E: Build-dependencies for bzflag could not be satisfied. |
| 06:47.01 | Pimpinella | which dependencies? |
| 06:47.13 | bob_07 | doesn't say |
| 06:47.18 | Pimpinella | hm |
| 06:48.16 | bob_07 | yep |
| 06:48.22 | bob_07 | the packages are broken |
| 06:49.16 | Pimpinella | isn?t dapper the extremly stable "five year support" edition? :/ |
| 06:49.29 | bob_07 | it will be when it gets released |
| 06:49.32 | bob_07 | hopefully |
| 06:49.35 | JeffM2501 | guess they are still testing it |
| 06:49.42 | bob_07 | yep |
| 06:50.15 | Manu | Pimpinella: probably is not dapper ;) |
| 06:50.24 | bob_07 | does anyone know of any AMD64 binaries? |
| 06:50.35 | JeffM2501 | yes |
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| 06:50.52 | bob_07 | where? |
| 06:50.55 | JeffM2501 | http://beta.bzflag.bz/builds/2.0.7/ |
| 06:50.58 | JeffM2501 | has a debian package |
| 06:51.13 | bob_07 | thanks |
| 06:51.50 | D_dog | I get this error when i try to start bzflag Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 06:51.50 | D_dog | Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 06:51.50 | D_dog | Could not set Video Mode: Couldn't find matching GLX visual. |
| 06:51.50 | D_dog | Error creating window - Exiting |
| 06:52.00 | Manu | bob_07: you can try to select another mirror for your repositories |
| 06:52.05 | JeffM2501 | your video drivers are not set up right |
| 06:52.07 | D_dog | any ideas what package i need this is on an ubuntu stock install |
| 06:52.14 | JeffM2501 | your system dosn't think it has GL at all |
| 06:52.32 | D_dog | ok i will start there thank you |
| 06:52.34 | JeffM2501 | it realy sounds like your using the NV drivers |
| 06:52.41 | JeffM2501 | not the nvidia ones |
| 06:52.41 | bob_07 | heh, that binary installed smoothly |
| 06:52.43 | bob_07 | thanks |
| 06:53.03 | D_dog | i have hardware excelleration because tuxracer works fine |
| 06:53.14 | JeffM2501 | that binary was made on breezzy |
| 06:53.14 | D_dog | must not be set up correctly though |
| 06:53.30 | bob_07 | should work |
| 06:53.41 | D_dog | thank you |
| 06:54.07 | JeffM2501 | or he could leave |
| 06:54.37 | bob_07 | oops, installed the server instead of the client |
| 06:55.42 | bob_07 | yay, its working |
| 06:55.48 | bob_07 | thanks again |
| 06:55.52 | JeffM2501 | sure |
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| 07:05.28 | D_dog | well I have a different error now... this comes up and more ideas or help please ? |
| 07:05.42 | D_dog | crud cant paste hang on |
| 07:06.07 | D_dog | X Error of failed request: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation) |
| 07:06.07 | D_dog | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:06.07 | D_dog | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:06.07 | D_dog | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:06.07 | D_dog | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:06.09 | D_dog | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:07.04 | blast007 | D_dog: run from a terminal, and type: bzflag -window |
| 07:07.45 | D_dog | wow that worked but kept ahold of my mouse |
| 07:07.56 | blast007 | then either try switching to full screen with F1, or change the resoltion to match your desktop |
| 07:08.12 | blast007 | resolution* |
| 07:08.13 | D_dog | great thanks |
| 07:10.52 | D_dog | well it worked well enough to get whacked a few times thanks a ton |
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| 17:13.32 | Mr_Molez | Birdie: :D |
| 17:14.21 | Gnurdux | you know how a bunch of people who are hosted on me are using -solo bots to get to front page of list server? do you all think that I should make the server binary i provide not report solo bots to list server? |
| 17:14.43 | A_Meteorite | yes |
| 17:15.08 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, if you distributed that server binary, you would have to provide the source |
| 17:15.21 | Gnurdux | i don't distribute it |
| 17:15.28 | Gnurdux | just people I host for, they can use it |
| 17:15.36 | Gnurdux | and the source is available to them in my home dir |
| 17:15.45 | JeffM2501 | for your machine, yes |
| 17:15.49 | A_Meteorite | you mean you let other people go in your home dir? woah |
| 17:15.55 | JeffM2501 | dude you let them have access to your home dir? |
| 17:15.57 | JeffM2501 | wow |
| 17:16.01 | Gnurdux | only some files |
| 17:16.02 | JeffM2501 | you are gonna get ripped |
| 17:16.09 | JeffM2501 | put it in /usr/share :) |
| 17:16.41 | Gnurdux | these are little kids |
| 17:16.52 | Gnurdux | they don't know what a home dir is anyway |
| 17:16.53 | A_Meteorite | then maybe they shouldn't get hosting ;) |
| 17:17.39 | JeffM2501 | or so you think :) |
| 17:17.44 | Gnurdux | A_Meteorite, probably not but i made scripts for a few of em to start the servers and as long as it doesn't bother me and my ISP doesn't find out im happy |
| 17:17.53 | A_Meteorite | ok :P |
| 17:17.56 | JeffM2501 | yeah cus what we are totaly lacking is more servers |
| 17:18.05 | JeffM2501 | I don't see how anyone can play on the 200 we have now |
| 17:18.11 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, but should i do the list server thing |
| 17:18.26 | A_Meteorite | we would need another 1,000 dedicated players to actually use the servers we have |
| 17:18.33 | Gnurdux | heh |
| 17:18.41 | Gnurdux | probably more than that to fill them all |
| 17:18.47 | A_Meteorite | yup |
| 17:18.57 | A_Meteorite | but at least it would go 5-6 players a server :) |
| 17:19.07 | DTRemenak | technically you don't need to distribute the source if you aren't allowing copies of bzfs to be made |
| 17:19.22 | JeffM2501 | yes, if you want don't list bots |
| 17:19.23 | A_Meteorite | DTRemenak: what if someone copies it without your permission? |
| 17:19.37 | JeffM2501 | make it read only |
| 17:19.42 | Gnurdux | but people switch around servers. not many people are on a given server at once, but something like 20% are used some times |
| 17:19.45 | DTRemenak | A_Meteorite: then they just did something illegal, you have no liability |
| 17:19.53 | A_Meteorite | DTRemenak: ah ok |
| 17:20.20 | Gnurdux | but apparently getting higher on the list with bots is annoying to a lot of people and a bunch of people were doing it on my servers |
| 17:20.53 | JeffM2501 | yes, it is not a bad thing to filter out your bots |
| 17:21.18 | JeffM2501 | and even if you released source for it, you would still be better off doing it |
| 17:21.31 | A_Meteorite | yes, I would certainly want to know how to mod it like that |
| 17:21.40 | A_Meteorite | source == good for open-source |
| 17:22.35 | Gnurdux | A_Meteorite, i doubt its very hard |
| 17:22.43 | A_Meteorite | hard enough for me :P |
| 17:23.23 | Gnurdux | the add message to list server sends each player it seems... so if i just put a check to tell it not to report if its a solo bot, it should work |
| 17:23.43 | JeffM2501 | it sends in the total players |
| 17:23.48 | JeffM2501 | for each taem |
| 17:23.49 | JeffM2501 | team |
| 17:24.03 | JeffM2501 | just ahve it not add in the bots |
| 17:24.18 | JeffM2501 | cus it may also send an update on the heartbeat if noone joins |
| 17:24.22 | DTRemenak | if you make it do that, be sure to also have it lower the max counts for each team so people can tell if thier team is full |
| 17:24.28 | JeffM2501 | ja |
| 17:24.49 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, total players, is that in the ADD message? |
| 17:24.49 | DTRemenak | or, even better, write some nifty code that kicks a bot if a real player wants the player slot |
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| 17:24.57 | JeffM2501 | should be |
| 17:25.01 | JeffM2501 | all of it is packed in there |
| 17:25.18 | JeffM2501 | hmm does the API know if players are bots |
| 17:25.24 | JeffM2501 | that would be a good thing |
| 17:25.32 | JeffM2501 | have it keep one human slot open as long as possible |
| 17:26.03 | DTRemenak | I'm liking the auto-kick bots if a human player wants the slot idea |
| 17:26.25 | JeffM2501 | do we know at connect time if they are human or bot? |
| 17:26.28 | JeffM2501 | or only at join time? |
| 17:26.38 | DTRemenak | mmmm....connect I think |
| 17:28.13 | JeffM2501 | mmmm tanks with shocks :) |
| 17:28.25 | Gnurdux | i'm just going to do something hacky... but if 2.1 gets built in server side bots, they should be setup so that they leave when players join. like you could do -minteams which would be minimum players per team; if its less then its filled up with bots |
| 17:28.28 | DTRemenak | no, join |
| 17:28.50 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, server side bots don't take up server side bandwith :) |
| 17:28.57 | JeffM2501 | so they don't realy have to leave |
| 17:29.09 | Gnurdux | true, but -minteams would be cool anyway |
| 17:29.14 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 17:29.26 | Gnurdux | if someone codes it up |
| 17:29.40 | JeffM2501 | if somone dosn't get enamored with a new engine |
| 17:29.47 | DTRemenak | tsk tsk |
| 17:29.57 | JeffM2501 | the scripting is REALY cool |
| 17:30.01 | JeffM2501 | I mean REALY REALY |
| 17:30.04 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 17:30.13 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, what engine? cube? |
| 17:30.16 | JeffM2501 | also networking is integrated from the ground up |
| 17:30.18 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, no |
| 17:30.26 | JeffM2501 | even single player stuff starts a local server |
| 17:30.29 | Gnurdux | which one JeffM2501 ? |
| 17:30.32 | JeffM2501 | torque |
| 17:30.41 | Gnurdux | thats comercial, costs like 100 bucks |
| 17:30.47 | JeffM2501 | yes, yes it does |
| 17:30.57 | Gnurdux | even though it looks cool... |
| 17:31.06 | JeffM2501 | it is very cool |
| 17:31.15 | Gnurdux | one of the counselors at my computer camp owns it |
| 17:31.26 | JeffM2501 | at a hundred bucks a lot of people license it |
| 17:31.54 | Gnurdux | we should do bzflag as a Q3 mod lol |
| 17:32.02 | JeffM2501 | have at it |
| 17:32.08 | JeffM2501 | it would not be that hard |
| 17:32.10 | A_Meteorite | lol, that might be something cool |
| 17:32.26 | A_Meteorite | at least Q3 was designed for Internet play, right? |
| 17:32.31 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 17:32.31 | A_Meteorite | (meaning, harder to cheat) |
| 17:32.45 | JeffM2501 | yes and no |
| 17:32.51 | A_Meteorite | heh |
| 17:32.55 | JeffM2501 | it's a more popular game, so there are more known cheats for the system |
| 17:32.59 | Gnurdux | Q3 is pretty good |
| 17:33.01 | JeffM2501 | but yes more is done server |
| 17:33.19 | JeffM2501 | but players would have access to almost drop in aim bots and stuff |
| 17:33.21 | Gnurdux | but gameplay is very different |
| 17:33.30 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, gameplay is defined by the mod |
| 17:33.37 | DTRemenak | aimbots wouldn't make a whole hell of a lot of sense in bzflag, JeffM2501 |
| 17:33.50 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, compute the cool pool shot to kill anyone? :) |
| 17:34.00 | JeffM2501 | there are also dodge bots |
| 17:34.09 | DTRemenak | now that could be useful |
| 17:34.15 | JeffM2501 | I'm just saying the exploits of the system are more well known |
| 17:34.18 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 17:34.19 | JeffM2501 | due to it's populaity |
| 17:34.22 | DTRemenak | I get what you're saying |
| 17:34.44 | DTRemenak | just that the traditional aimbot is kinda pointless when tanks and bullets both move slow, and you can't aim up and down anyway |
| 17:34.51 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, whats playerData->_LSAState |
| 17:35.09 | JeffM2501 | the auth state IIRC |
| 17:35.27 | Gnurdux | LSA = ListServerAuthentication? |
| 17:35.31 | JeffM2501 | probably |
| 17:35.36 | JeffM2501 | I didn't write that stuff |
| 17:35.43 | JeffM2501 | that's all fearless's code |
| 17:35.55 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, there would be a better API/codebase for better real bots tho |
| 17:36.03 | JeffM2501 | there are some realy nice quakebots out there |
| 17:36.11 | DTRemenak | heh, playerdata stuff is mostly Tupone's. the acronymns could mean absolutely anything |
| 17:36.29 | DTRemenak | true |
| 17:36.35 | JeffM2501 | he may have moved it there, but that is from the tim IIRC |
| 17:36.52 | DTRemenak | he renamed a bunch of stuff while moving it |
| 17:36.56 | DTRemenak | confuses me now |
| 17:36.56 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 17:36.57 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, do you maintain the list server code itself? |
| 17:36.58 | DTRemenak | didn't before |
| 17:36.59 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 17:37.00 | DTRemenak | :) |
| 17:37.04 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, god no |
| 17:37.12 | Gnurdux | who does? |
| 17:37.15 | JeffM2501 | I don't even have write access in the web dirs anymore, thankfully |
| 17:37.19 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, who ever needs to |
| 17:37.22 | JeffM2501 | it's in CVS |
| 17:37.49 | Gnurdux | i wish someone would make the list server not count Obs as players in the player count... 22/20 look wierd, and its misleading too |
| 17:37.59 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, the client does that |
| 17:38.03 | JeffM2501 | it has been changed in CVS |
| 17:38.11 | DTRemenak | what has it been changed to? |
| 17:38.15 | Gnurdux | oh ok awesom3 |
| 17:38.20 | JeffM2501 | dosn't show em in the player count |
| 17:38.24 | JeffM2501 | just in the team totals |
| 17:38.36 | DTRemenak | ok |
| 17:38.44 | JeffM2501 | so you'd see 20/20 players and 2/2 observers |
| 17:38.50 | DTRemenak | sweet |
| 17:39.19 | DTRemenak | that'll mess with people's heads if we ever get a proper queue system in though |
| 17:39.33 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't use observers for sorting in the list |
| 17:39.37 | JeffM2501 | so now it kinda makes sense :) |
| 17:39.44 | DTRemenak | kinda ;) |
| 17:40.08 | JeffM2501 | well if we are sorting by real players :) |
| 17:40.18 | DTRemenak | why does opengl make it so difficult to draw circle segments? geez, arcs are pretty fundamental... |
| 17:40.19 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, it sort of does.. if i have 5 players and 1 observer and you have 5 players and 0 observers im ahead of you |
| 17:40.28 | JeffM2501 | right now you can have a server show as having 10 players and be below one with 8 |
| 17:40.32 | JeffM2501 | cus the 10 has 3 observers |
| 17:40.38 | JeffM2501 | so now they show as 8 then 7 |
| 17:40.42 | JeffM2501 | so at least it's in order |
| 17:41.12 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, gl wasn't made for line drawing, and there are many difrent ways to do curves :) |
| 17:41.23 | JeffM2501 | glut has more prims IIRC |
| 17:41.44 | DTRemenak | sure it wasn't made for line drawing, but you can draw lines with it, so why not support curvy lines? :) |
| 17:42.33 | JeffM2501 | the gui system in torque is cool |
| 17:42.42 | JeffM2501 | full editor :) |
| 17:42.50 | JeffM2501 | and about 100 difrent UI item tyeps |
| 17:44.00 | JeffM2501 | tho it's all textures for anything complex these days |
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| 17:46.15 | gsnedders | blast007: ping |
| 17:49.27 | Birdie | <---- needs some help |
| 17:50.47 | Gnurdux | if (p && p->player.isPlaying() && !p->player.isBot()) { i just added the && !p->player.isBot() |
| 17:50.55 | Gnurdux | that might screw some stuff up... but |
| 17:51.40 | Gnurdux | yeah it will screw up autoteam |
| 17:57.38 | gsnedders | time for me to submit a patch :o |
| 18:00.05 | gsnedders | for bug fixes, should they be submitted as a patch, or as a bug, with the patch included? |
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| 18:00.39 | Gnurdux | no reason not to do both |
| 18:01.00 | gsnedders | then have two tickets for the same thing? |
| 18:05.16 | bryjen | rounding the corners on your frames, or doing the pop-up "bubble" help thingies, DTR? ;) |
| 18:06.02 | DTRemenak | bryjen: rounded frames right now |
| 18:06.17 | DTRemenak | need them for the "next step" :) |
| 18:11.25 | DTRemenak | this plans more like asixinch |
| 18:12.18 | bryjen | ? |
| 18:12.33 | DTRemenak | bad joke |
| 18:12.48 | DTRemenak | not quite afoot, just asixinch |
| 18:12.53 | bryjen | ah, half afoot :) |
| 18:12.57 | DTRemenak | right :) |
| 18:14.59 | CBG | left :P |
| 18:16.29 | gsnedders | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1497099&group_id=3248&atid=303248 |
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| 18:20.48 | JeffM2501 | yay for TimRiker and nasty letters to GPL violators ;) |
| 18:21.06 | TimRiker | :) |
| 18:22.02 | JeffM2501 | now TimRiker I have a question regarding debian and GPL code, lets say I make a game that uses some non GPL code, stuff that can be releaed in binary for free, but not in souce. |
| 18:22.14 | JeffM2501 | if I made an open source "downloader" and put that in debian |
| 18:22.31 | JeffM2501 | and then that downloader went and got non GPL resources, for the game, would that still be a "taint"? |
| 18:23.19 | JeffM2501 | cus like how does the quakedemo get into debian? the art from that isn't GPL, or LGPL |
| 18:28.12 | TimRiker | iirc the quake demo was in non-free. I don't know it's status at present. |
| 18:28.45 | JeffM2501 | ahh ok |
| 18:28.53 | TimRiker | as bzflag is lgpl you can link it to non-free libs if you like. |
| 18:29.07 | JeffM2501 | I know that |
| 18:29.18 | JeffM2501 | mostly just wondering from a debian standpoint |
| 18:29.33 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (HUDuiFrame.cxx HUDuiFrame.h QuitMenu.cxx): let there be rounded frames. frame style is selectable. |
| 18:29.34 | JeffM2501 | if you could get around being put into the "non free" by doing a downloader thing |
| 18:29.36 | TimRiker | but if it is gpl, it's more fuzzy. clearly there are gpl apps that run on windows and therefore depend on non-free dlls. |
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| 18:30.30 | TimRiker | it should work in non-free but it's a hassle to get anything into non-free last I checked. |
| 18:30.50 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
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| 18:49.58 | briantumor | hi |
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| 18:50.25 | briantumor | when i try to play bzflag sometimes i'm unable to stop it... is there any way to stop out of control apps that use opengl without having to reboot on *nix? |
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| 18:50.59 | JeffM2501 | the quit menu will not close the aplication? |
| 18:51.24 | briantumor | can't get to it once it freezes |
| 18:51.33 | JeffM2501 | where does it freeze? |
| 18:51.39 | briantumor | during the game |
| 18:51.46 | JeffM2501 | that's the core of the problem |
| 18:51.54 | briantumor | oh |
| 18:51.57 | JeffM2501 | it should not do that |
| 18:52.06 | JeffM2501 | you have current video drivers? |
| 18:52.15 | JeffM2501 | and how long does it take to lock up? |
| 18:52.37 | briantumor | i haven't bothered updating drivers since it's fine the way it is now |
| 18:52.41 | briantumor | i guess i'll do that then |
| 18:52.53 | briantumor | doesn't take long to lock up |
| 18:53.15 | JeffM2501 | it could also be heating problems |
| 18:53.19 | JeffM2501 | I've seen cards overheat |
| 18:53.21 | JeffM2501 | and lock |
| 18:53.38 | briantumor | oh |
| 18:54.13 | briantumor | also, i've got an old card... haven't made any upgrades to it since i bought this pc since 2000 |
| 18:54.21 | briantumor | -since+in |
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| 18:55.43 | becki | hi |
| 18:55.59 | SportChick | hi |
| 18:58.04 | becki | can i run a bzflag server without strating the whole game? |
| 18:58.41 | Mr_Molez | yup |
| 18:59.14 | becki | aem, how?^^ |
| 18:59.22 | Mr_Molez | whats your os |
| 18:59.26 | becki | netbsd |
| 18:59.36 | Mr_Molez | then use the command bzfs |
| 18:59.55 | becki | thx |
| 19:03.47 | briantumor | VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV11 [GeForce2 MX/MX 400] (rev b2) |
| 19:03.55 | briantumor | that's what i have, which driver should i get |
| 19:05.53 | briantumor | i see no mention of geforce drivers on nvidia site |
| 19:06.59 | JeffM2501 | what linux are you in? |
| 19:08.13 | gsnedders | how are observers in the scoreboard ordered? |
| 19:09.03 | briantumor | slackware linux |
| 19:09.11 | briantumor | 2.6.14 |
| 19:09.16 | briantumor | *.2 |
| 19:09.22 | briantumor | 2.6.14.2 |
| 19:10.11 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 19:10.17 | JeffM2501 | don't know there package manager |
| 19:10.21 | JeffM2501 | nvidia has drivers for linux |
| 19:10.24 | JeffM2501 | for geforce |
| 19:10.28 | JeffM2501 | one driver for em all |
| 19:10.33 | briantumor | ah ok |
| 19:10.40 | JeffM2501 | http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html |
| 19:10.42 | briantumor | so this is fine... http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_1.0-8762.html? |
| 19:10.57 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 19:11.05 | briantumor | kk thanks :) |
| 19:11.09 | briantumor | have to close x |
| 19:11.10 | JeffM2501 | I'd also check your card, it may be overheating |
| 19:11.18 | JeffM2501 | I've heard of that happen with the fanless ones |
| 19:11.25 | JeffM2501 | and the 2mx is probably fanles |
| 19:11.43 | briantumor | yeah, mine's fanless.. but i've installed another fan near the exhaust |
| 19:12.19 | briantumor | thanks again |
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| 19:32.52 | Birdie | chestal ping |
| 19:36.38 | blast007 | gsnedders: pong (still need me?) |
| 19:37.12 | gsnedders | blast007: I was just gonna tell you about the latter of these two bugs: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1497099&group_id=3248&atid=303248 |
| 19:37.25 | gsnedders | blast007: I've fixed it now, though |
| 19:41.17 | blast007 | k |
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| 20:42.06 | TimRiker | DynamicColor.cxx: In member function 'void DynamicColor::finalize()': |
| 20:42.06 | TimRiker | DynamicColor.cxx:230: warning: comparison is always false due to limited range of data type |
| 20:46.22 | trepan | too safe :) |
| 20:47.44 | trepan | TimRiker: just discovering it now? that's been there a while |
| 20:48.20 | TimRiker | :) just trying a debug build midst the other days activities. |
| 20:48.52 | TimRiker | headed out on other errands now, back later. |
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| 20:55.08 | briantumor | i'm finally at the ./configure stage |
| 20:55.25 | briantumor | had to recompile the kernel in the process of updating my drivers |
| 20:58.18 | briantumor | i have another problem non-bz related |
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| 20:59.18 | briantumor | whenever i'm on *nix my monitor just makes this high-pitch noise... it goes away after i turn off the monitor and leave it off for a while |
| 20:59.24 | briantumor | but it never happens on windows |
| 20:59.29 | briantumor | what can cause this? |
| 21:01.46 | L4m3r | maybe the refresh rate? |
| 21:02.02 | briantumor | hrm, someone says it may be the frequency? |
| 21:02.15 | JeffM2501 | that woudl be the refresh :) |
| 21:02.16 | JeffM2501 | or the res |
| 21:02.16 | L4m3r | same thing :) |
| 21:02.22 | briantumor | ah |
| 21:02.22 | JeffM2501 | what res do you run? |
| 21:03.01 | briantumor | 1024x768 |
| 21:03.47 | briantumor | yeah, after i changed it to 800x600, it's fine |
| 21:03.56 | briantumor | but it's too small |
| 21:04.08 | L4m3r | try dropping the refresh rate then... |
| 21:04.16 | L4m3r | you run windoze at the same resolution right/ |
| 21:04.18 | L4m3r | ? |
| 21:04.31 | JeffM2501 | yeah just pick the same res/refresh that you do in windows |
| 21:05.47 | briantumor | i use 1024x768 in windows, but i dunno the refresh rate |
| 21:06.24 | JeffM2501 | hit the "advanced button" in windows and then the monitor tab |
| 21:06.29 | JeffM2501 | it'll show you what it's running at |
| 21:06.41 | briantumor | ok |
| 21:06.44 | briantumor | thanks again :) |
| 21:07.06 | briantumor | under what setting would this be in xorg.conf? |
| 21:07.31 | JeffM2501 | depends on how you have your conf setup |
| 21:07.53 | briantumor | kk |
| 21:07.55 | JeffM2501 | there is usualy a dsplay controll pannel in KDE or gnome thatlets you set it |
| 21:08.03 | briantumor | don't have either :/ |
| 21:08.13 | JeffM2501 | what is your window manager? |
| 21:08.59 | briantumor | xfce |
| 21:09.46 | JeffM2501 | don't know that one |
| 21:10.20 | briantumor | i'll just go back into windows to find the values first |
| 21:10.31 | briantumor | after bz finishes compiling |
| 21:17.24 | JeffM2501 | mmmm prety tankies, http://beta.bzflag.bz/images/tanky.jpg |
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| 21:38.48 | briantumor | the graphics on bzflag is great now |
| 21:38.52 | briantumor | and now crashes |
| 21:39.02 | briantumor | except the high-pitch noise is still there :/ |
| 21:39.11 | briantumor | i found out the refresh rate on windows is 60hz |
| 21:40.06 | briantumor | HorizSync 31.5 - 50.0 |
| 21:40.16 | briantumor | VertRefresh 40.0 - 90.0 |
| 21:40.29 | briantumor | that's from xorg.conf |
| 21:55.58 | JeffM2501 | that's the range |
| 21:56.14 | JeffM2501 | you'll have to look up how to set the refresh |
| 21:56.43 | uso | JeffM2501: that's what "contrib" is for in debian, if the package itself is free but depends on non-free things |
| 21:57.05 | uso | e.g quake2-data, which downloads the shareware mod is in contrib |
| 21:57.12 | JeffM2501 | what if it dosn't realy "depend" on it |
| 21:57.19 | JeffM2501 | but is just REALY stupid with out it :) |
| 21:57.40 | JeffM2501 | like I put an app in debian with full source, that just goes and downloads the rest of the game for you |
| 21:57.43 | JeffM2501 | not from apt |
| 21:57.55 | uso | imho it used to be in main, but changed, now it has to be also in contrib |
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| 22:09.13 | PuMpErNiCkEl | ooo, there's a new Louman map |
| 22:09.23 | Linuxx0r | whats the name of it? |
| 22:10.05 | L4m3r | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=7315&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=25 |
| 22:10.06 | L4m3r | last post |
| 22:10.09 | L4m3r | Lawl. |
| 22:10.31 | L4m3r | YD is an ass. |
| 22:16.04 | a-delusion | indeed |
| 22:16.04 | JeffM2501 | yd? |
| 22:16.14 | L4m3r | YOUR DEAD |
| 22:16.23 | L4m3r | you know, the bipolar munchkin? |
| 22:16.29 | JeffM2501 | may be, but we don't post IPs or talk about banings on public foums |
| 22:16.52 | L4m3r | well, I didn't say anything... |
| 22:16.56 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 22:17.06 | JeffM2501 | but CruelDog Did |
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| 22:22.57 | brain0 | hey again |
| 22:23.17 | brain0 | can I export the server vars from a running bzflag server? |
| 22:23.43 | L4m3r | sometimes saving the map will put them in an options block |
| 22:23.55 | L4m3r | otherwise use /diff to see which ones have been changed |
| 22:23.57 | brain0 | "sometimes"? |
| 22:24.13 | L4m3r | I'm not sure how it works lol |
| 22:24.15 | uso | or use /set to display them all |
| 22:24.42 | brain0 | indeed, that saved all the options with the map |
| 22:24.42 | L4m3r | yes, but /diff is easier because that will only show the non-default ones |
| 22:24.56 | brain0 | I've been playing with a local bzfs, really fun |
| 22:25.00 | L4m3r | heh |
| 22:25.13 | brain0 | unknown command diff ? |
| 22:25.19 | L4m3r | really? weird |
| 22:25.21 | brain0 | (from bzadmin) |
| 22:25.29 | L4m3r | maybe only in a client |
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| 22:25.59 | brain0 | is stealing a map from another server bad? |
| 22:26.22 | CBG | Very bad |
| 22:26.26 | JeffM2501 | it's considered not nice |
| 22:26.29 | JeffM2501 | you should at least ask |
| 22:26.50 | L4m3r | there's nothing wrong with it for say, a LAN game |
| 22:27.00 | CBG | Very bad if they do it just to steal players by making an exact replica of the existing server, imho. |
| 22:27.10 | JeffM2501 | techincal the data in the map is copyright of the author |
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| 22:27.20 | L4m3r | but if you're going to run a public server, yes, it's very rude to steal a map without asking |
| 22:27.23 | CBG | Maybe if they run a different game style, say, FFA instead of CTF, for example, it's not quite to bad. |
| 22:27.25 | JeffM2501 | they may chose to persecute you if you use it in a way they didn't wish, |
| 22:27.27 | JeffM2501 | so its' good to ask |
| 22:28.02 | JeffM2501 | if the map is posted on the forums tho, then you don't have to steal it, just use it cus the posted it publuicly |
| 22:28.13 | L4m3r | Most mappers will be fine with someone else modding and running a map as long as it's significantly different in gameplay |
| 22:28.14 | brain0 | well, I've been playing a lot at secretplace.us for a while, then the server went down for a while - when it was back up, I saved the map (didn't open a public server or such, just to have the map) |
| 22:28.15 | JeffM2501 | in general it is good idea to credit the author as well |
| 22:28.34 | brain0 | the server is always empty now :( and I had a bad lag there, but I love the map |
| 22:28.36 | JeffM2501 | spirals? |
| 22:28.41 | brain0 | wiz spiralzone |
| 22:28.45 | brain0 | great map |
| 22:28.49 | JeffM2501 | that's an old map |
| 22:28.50 | L4m3r | yes, it is |
| 22:29.01 | brain0 | what does old mean? |
| 22:29.07 | JeffM2501 | many people have used it |
| 22:29.08 | L4m3r | I've made a CTF version with water, with Wiz's permission of course. |
| 22:29.17 | JeffM2501 | I odn't think anyone will get pissed if you use it. |
| 22:29.26 | JeffM2501 | but yeah just ask wiz |
| 22:29.34 | JeffM2501 | IIRC he based of BZDougs map |
| 22:29.36 | CBG | Is secretplace even online anymore? :( |
| 22:29.44 | L4m3r | yeah, it's back |
| 22:29.47 | brain0 | it is online again |
| 22:29.49 | CBG | oh, cool |
| 22:29.50 | brain0 | but always empty |
| 22:29.59 | brain0 | and I always had ~150ms ping |
| 22:30.00 | L4m3r | just not popular... badgerking's knocked them off as the FFA staple |
| 22:30.01 | CBG | ah not cool |
| 22:30.17 | L4m3r | ...and mofo to a lesser extent |
| 22:30.21 | brain0 | while with some austrian server, I have ~30ms |
| 22:30.39 | L4m3r | It's that pesky ocean, the Atlantic. :P |
| 22:31.23 | brain0 | JeffM2501: you say many used that map, but when secretplace went offline, I couldn't find the map anywhere |
| 22:31.37 | JeffM2501 | it's an old map |
| 22:31.47 | JeffM2501 | there were probalby many newer |
| 22:31.59 | brain0 | still love it :) |
| 22:32.07 | L4m3r | The revisions Wiz made were actually relatively recent |
| 22:32.12 | brain0 | are there new "features" on newer maps? |
| 22:32.19 | JeffM2501 | meshes |
| 22:32.28 | JeffM2501 | physics drivers |
| 22:32.30 | brain0 | ya, I thought so too, there were some additions to it |
| 22:32.32 | JeffM2501 | and the new 2.0 features |
| 22:33.03 | L4m3r | Go look for a server that has one of Louman's maps, and you'll see the difference :D |
| 22:33.19 | brain0 | I'll try to find one |
| 22:33.28 | L4m3r | Eye candy that defies your previous idea of what BZFlag is... heh |
| 22:33.50 | JeffM2501 | yet still dosn't look as good as it could ;) |
| 22:34.11 | L4m3r | true true |
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| 22:34.31 | L4m3r | but that's not as annoying as "the slope problem" when it comes to mapping :P |
| 22:34.43 | JeffM2501 | slope problem? |
| 22:35.05 | L4m3r | It gets frustrating to not be able to do ramps and stuff, that's all |
| 22:35.13 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 22:35.16 | JeffM2501 | not realy a problem |
| 22:35.20 | JeffM2501 | but a limitation of the game |
| 22:35.22 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 22:35.55 | L4m3r | the biggest challenge to vertically-oriented maps... |
| 22:36.50 | JeffM2501 | tanks aren't suposed to fly ;) |
| 22:36.54 | a-delusion | JPA had the closet thing ever to a ramp with his "escalator" on "River-ByJPA" |
| 22:37.17 | L4m3r | that's in a lot of maps actually |
| 22:37.29 | L4m3r | tadd's gmwar has one, and one of BIYA's maps too... |
| 22:37.45 | L4m3r | the one in gmwar is actually really cool, it's very steep and fast |
| 22:37.56 | JeffM2501 | mmmm terrain :) |
| 22:38.12 | L4m3r | *sigh* I wish... |
| 22:38.19 | a-delusion | JPA was first. /me thinks that map was made to test ALL the 2.0 functions |
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| 22:38.32 | CBG | jpa made, like, the first 2.0 map... |
| 22:38.34 | JeffM2501 | mmm terrain :) http://marathon.gibbscam.com/~jeffm/images/screenshots/terrain.png |
| 22:38.55 | L4m3r | what game is that? |
| 22:39.02 | JeffM2501 | mmmm test app |
| 22:39.06 | L4m3r | ah. |
| 22:39.07 | a-delusion | http://kapsi.fi/~jpa/stuff/bzw/physics.php ....an old link |
| 22:39.25 | JeffM2501 | mmm prety tanks |
| 22:39.26 | JeffM2501 | http://beta.bzflag.bz/images/tanky.jpg |
| 22:40.59 | codergeek42 | JeffM2501: is that slated for BZFlag eye candy? Woo! |
| 22:41.12 | L4m3r | psssshhahahahaha |
| 22:41.20 | JeffM2501 | bzflag, probably not |
| 22:41.24 | JeffM2501 | something else maybe |
| 22:49.52 | brlcad | yeah, that doesn't even smell like bz.. |
| 22:49.56 | brlcad | looks awesome though :) |
| 22:50.14 | JeffM2501 | all for only 35$ |
| 22:50.22 | brlcad | ... profit! |
| 22:50.43 | JeffM2501 | probalby pick it up just for the info on how to setup the vehicle models |
| 22:51.50 | JeffM2501 | the sherman it comes with isn't that great tho |
| 23:02.29 | JeffM2501 | yay time to go home :) |
| 23:02.37 | L4m3r | heh |
| 23:11.44 | trepan | a-delusion: where do you think jpa got the escalator? ;) |
| 23:12.10 | a-delusion | thats a good question trepan. |
| 23:12.23 | trepan | (crap that it is...) |
| 23:12.30 | a-delusion | I've never seen a map of yours. |
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| 23:45.21 | Mahdi | Mr_Molez, are you there? You where so inpatient :) |
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