| 00:00.08 | Mahdi | yes, it will live on the net, hopefully the info at the website is sufficient at this stage to understand what i mean :) |
| 00:01.19 | JeffM2501 | umm no that website is a bunch of marketing speak |
| 00:01.34 | JeffM2501 | bzflag plays on the net allready |
| 00:01.58 | Mahdi | will you can see it yourself soon |
| 00:02.05 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 00:02.42 | Mahdi | with demo applications, thats what i mean |
| 00:02.54 | JeffM2501 | it looks to just be a platform app |
| 00:03.36 | Mahdi | Belive me JeffM2501, its not :) |
| 00:03.53 | JeffM2501 | I don't see what it woudl do for the game? |
| 00:06.19 | Mahdi | Thats what you guys could figure out if willing..i cant outline it here, I have no time and no need at this stage. Soon you can read documentation and in depth whitepapers etc.. |
| 00:06.39 | JeffM2501 | what we have now is fine |
| 00:07.26 | JeffM2501 | from what I am reading it's way more complex then what a simple game needs, and more of an ideal form of distributed computing. |
| 00:07.36 | JeffM2501 | in the end it woudl jsut get us windows CE.. whopty do. |
| 00:07.45 | Mahdi | I only liked to inform you guys because bzflag is a game that I enjoy playing for years already, that’s all. I am not advertising here, no need |
| 00:08.13 | Mahdi | ? = :) |
| 00:09.03 | Gnurdux | Mahdi, what is that stuff? |
| 00:09.30 | Mahdi | I fits a technology that can be used by bzflag is another issue, I am not here to discuss that :) |
| 00:10.04 | Mahdi | a new company, where i am involved with |
| 00:10.29 | Mahdi | if its* |
| 00:10.38 | JeffM2501 | so you are sort of promoting it :) |
| 00:10.51 | JeffM2501 | bzflag would not move to any new technology untill it is proven. |
| 00:10.55 | Mahdi | lol, no i am not :) |
| 00:11.32 | Mahdi | ofcourse Jeff, we are working on the technology (if you have read the website) since 2004 |
| 00:11.53 | JeffM2501 | so it's prety new |
| 00:11.58 | Gnurdux | Mahdi, what IS it |
| 00:12.11 | Mahdi | Just read the press release and you will see where its get *Promoted* |
| 00:12.18 | JeffM2501 | looks like you do a distributed backend, to a generic system independent frontend |
| 00:12.46 | Gnurdux | and Mahdi is it REALLY open source? |
| 00:13.16 | Gnurdux | or just one of those "open source" things where they give out like 2 lines of code and say "its better when you pay 200$ for the full version" |
| 00:13.34 | Mahdi | lol no :) |
| 00:13.51 | JeffM2501 | does it have some sort of integraged 3d engine? |
| 00:13.55 | Mahdi | http://www.gravityzoo.com/developers/openSource.py |
| 00:14.00 | JeffM2501 | you are being very vauge |
| 00:14.13 | Mahdi | Who does this? http://www.gravityzoo.com/developers/trust.py |
| 00:14.33 | JeffM2501 | so realy you don't have any info your just pushing web pages |
| 00:14.47 | Gnurdux | how do they make money then Mahdi ? |
| 00:14.55 | Gnurdux | if its truly open source |
| 00:15.23 | Mahdi | you can read the answers to this questions in our FAQ very soon |
| 00:15.42 | Gnurdux | ah |
| 00:15.46 | JeffM2501 | ok so you have nothing now |
| 00:15.59 | Gnurdux | Mahdi, GravityZoo ITSELF isn't opensource is it, its simply an open-source PLATFORM |
| 00:16.07 | Mahdi | I think you can understand that I cant answer all questions here and its also not my aim |
| 00:16.11 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, I don't think they know yet |
| 00:16.22 | Gnurdux | so you can't use it without non-opensource software |
| 00:16.25 | JeffM2501 | Mahdi, then why come and point us to a thing with no real info? |
| 00:16.28 | Mahdi | Jeff we know :) |
| 00:16.35 | JeffM2501 | all you do is confuse us |
| 00:16.55 | DTRemenak | looks like classic vapourware to me. vague ideas, delusions of grandeur, the whole nine yards. |
| 00:16.56 | Gnurdux | Mahdi, if you know and want to get JeffM2501 to buy it, you should answer his questions |
| 00:17.07 | Mahdi | i am sry if i have done that Jeff, you can just forget about it and let me enjoy my bzflag :) |
| 00:17.45 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, he can't don't worry about it |
| 00:18.30 | Mahdi | Ofcourse I understand that many question are rised, but they will be all answered |
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| 00:19.25 | Gnurdux | Mahdi, most things "of the future" never work. occasionally some do, but forgive me for saying so, i highly doubt gravityzoo ever will |
| 00:20.13 | Mahdi | Its already working Gnurdus, i think you still dident understand me :) |
| 00:20.50 | Mahdi | will, i am off, its late here have been working all day long.. |
| 00:21.03 | Mahdi | googd night |
| 00:21.30 | Gnurdux | Mahdi, no, even if its working, what i mean is if nobody uses it, it will never grow big |
| 00:22.00 | Mahdi | its already been used, oke. cu mates, and ty very mutch for such a nice welcome :) |
| 00:22.12 | brlcad | howdy Mahdi |
| 00:22.15 | brlcad | cya Mahdi |
| 00:23.21 | Tanner | whats the difference between here and bzchat? |
| 00:23.38 | JeffM2501 | this is more for deveopment |
| 00:23.42 | JeffM2501 | chat is more for chat |
| 00:24.11 | Tanner | Thanks. :\ |
| 00:29.33 | JeffM2501 | mostly it's where people should got to talk more about playing the game |
| 00:29.38 | JeffM2501 | and here is more for working on the game |
| 00:29.47 | JeffM2501 | there is always a small amount of overlap |
| 00:30.51 | JeffM2501 | the bzchat channel is also where the froum webchat went to |
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| 01:19.10 | TD-Linux | how to set up bzfs to idle kick? |
| 01:19.43 | L4m3r | I think it's -maxidle <time |
| 01:19.47 | L4m3r | in seconds |
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| 01:19.58 | L4m3r | don't quote me on that though |
| 01:20.48 | trepan | L4m3r: "I think it's -maxidle <time" |
| 01:21.09 | TD-Linux | okay |
| 01:21.10 | TD-Linux | thanks |
| 01:21.38 | blast007 | trepan: hehehe ;) |
| 01:23.12 | blast007 | TD-Linux: there is also the man page that would have given it away rather quick |
| 01:23.17 | TD-Linux | finally found it in the man page |
| 01:23.25 | TD-Linux | it's rather far down ;) |
| 01:23.43 | DTRemenak | you know you can search manpages :P |
| 01:23.47 | L4m3r | what are these mysterious "man pages"? |
| 01:23.49 | TD-Linux | how? |
| 01:24.11 | DTRemenak | run "man whatever" and do /findthis |
| 01:24.20 | TD-Linux | nvm, I'll google it when I'm bored :) |
| 01:24.23 | DTRemenak | e.g. /maxidle |
| 01:24.31 | Gnurdux | L4m3r, you dont know what a manpage is? |
| 01:24.42 | L4m3r | Gnurdux, it was a joke. |
| 01:24.44 | Gnurdux | oh |
| 01:24.53 | Gnurdux | it sounded wrong to me |
| 01:25.02 | Gnurdux | butr wasnt very funny |
| 01:25.18 | blast007 | Gnurdux: sorta like my jokes |
| 01:25.29 | DTRemenak | it doesn't have to be funny if it's cliched |
| 01:25.29 | L4m3r | it wasn't meant to be a knee-slapper. :P |
| 01:26.27 | DTRemenak | blast007, I like your jokes :P |
| 01:27.08 | trepan | bzfs -help | grep <whatever> is usually more up-to-date ;) |
| 01:27.45 | Gnurdux | what platform was bzflag originally for? |
| 01:27.52 | DTRemenak | irix |
| 01:28.06 | Gnurdux | what did it do for graphics |
| 01:28.26 | TD-Linux | opengl ;) |
| 01:28.36 | Gnurdux | but did it use SDL or just X? |
| 01:28.40 | L4m3r | You had to hire actors with cardboard |
| 01:28.45 | blast007 | DTRemenak :) |
| 01:29.13 | Gnurdux | cause SDL didn't exist then did it? |
| 01:29.53 | DTRemenak | that should answer your question :P |
| 01:31.09 | Gnurdux | also, not trying to be annoying, but anyone on here who knows autoconf so that the plugin search bug is fixed? |
| 01:32.04 | L4m3r | Paperclip says: Fragment (consider revising) |
| 01:32.52 | blast007 | hehe |
| 01:33.12 | blast007 | more like "It looks like you're writing a sentence" |
| 01:33.44 | Gnurdux | lol |
| 01:35.24 | Gnurdux | is there anyone present who knows how to make the plugins rather than literally searching the directory $(prefix) on *nix search the real prefix/lib/bzflag, and also make make install go to prefix/lib/bzflag rather than just prefix/lib? |
| 01:36.30 | trepan | yes |
| 01:36.41 | Gnurdux | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1492603&group_id=3248&atid=103248 |
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| 01:42.28 | trepan | DTRemenak: i aim to please |
| 01:45.51 | Gnurdux | DTRemenak, waiting for what? |
| 01:47.31 | brlcad | :) |
| 01:47.35 | Legoguy | ok, when i try to check out anon cvs from anything on sourceforge, i get "no route to host" |
| 01:47.49 | brlcad | Legoguy: cvsroot changed |
| 01:47.59 | BenUrban | <project>.cvs.sourceforge.net |
| 01:48.11 | blast007 | ~bz20cvs |
| 01:48.12 | ibot | cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P -r v2_0branch bzflag |
| 01:48.13 | Legoguy | o rly.. what might it be .. haha sorry its been a while :P |
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| 01:48.24 | blast007 | rather recent change |
| 01:48.34 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, if those patches for the float packing are good, do you want to put them in 2.0.x branch, just so we can have a place to tell people to go to get the code if they have the problem? |
| 01:48.45 | brlcad | over a month ago now, but relative yeah |
| 01:48.50 | Legoguy | thanks much |
| 01:49.07 | Legoguy | its been a while, i need to get my bzflag fix X-D |
| 01:49.35 | brlcad | JeffM2501: they certainly look like they fix a problem |
| 01:49.54 | Legoguy | nah i'm legoguy, i know there's a couple other lego* people playing bzflag |
| 01:51.17 | brlcad | JeffM2501: i.e. probably a good idea though I had one more test to try |
| 01:51.27 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 01:51.36 | JeffM2501 | I was just thinking.. if others have the problme |
| 01:51.46 | JeffM2501 | not big enough to do a release, but at least move back |
| 01:52.00 | Legoguy | ha no im not legogal, lol |
| 01:52.53 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501, what, you don't want a .10? ;) |
| 01:53.02 | brlcad | one thing is, compiling yourself should "generally" fix the problem except for the vast minority hitting non-ieee optimization |
| 01:53.17 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 01:53.18 | brlcad | so even commiting it to 2.0 branch really only helps that vast minority |
| 01:53.26 | brlcad | still good to have though |
| 01:53.29 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:53.44 | JeffM2501 | then we have one solution for all of em "get cvs, build" |
| 01:54.06 | brlcad | the thing i'm hoping it also fixes is universal binaries |
| 01:54.29 | DTRemenak | if there are distros who are distributing flawed versions we could ask them to rebuild too |
| 01:54.55 | JeffM2501 | wonder how the debian one does |
| 01:55.28 | DTRemenak | could even move the tag on the affected files and roll up a .8-1 tarball to make it easy |
| 01:57.39 | JeffM2501 | it's just one file IIRC |
| 01:57.46 | brlcad | pack.cxx |
| 01:57.58 | brlcad | incorrect packing |
| 01:58.19 | JeffM2501 | is the other test to see if it makes a universal work? |
| 01:58.21 | brlcad | the code even warned about it, just took forever to get caught |
| 01:58.50 | brlcad | pretty much |
| 01:59.35 | brlcad | if a regular-produced 10.2 binary that I'd use for release suddenly works, that's pretty positive proof -- the universal binary would hang almost immediately on join |
| 02:02.15 | JeffM2501 | wheeee... http://marathon.gibbscam.com/~jeffm/images/screenshots/wheee.png |
| 02:02.44 | JeffM2501 | I daresay the lighting normals are jacked on yon tank |
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| 03:16.42 | Legoguy | while in pillbox i mentioned something about how cool it would be to have sound effects for bullets whizzing by, like a low buzz, it would be a really awesome effect once surround sound is possible |
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| 05:14.52 | I_Died_Once | http://www.under-tec.com |
| 05:36.54 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/ (4 files in 3 dirs): |
| 05:36.54 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: - per-team flag textures (with fallbacks) |
| 05:36.54 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: - '\' to '/' substitution (skin dirnames) |
| 05:51.58 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/World.cxx: touchup the skinned OBJ export material names |
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| 16:01.02 | ToughShooter | Chestal: I found out that on my computer are two versions of wxWidgets are installed. One comes with the OS and has no libs. The other one is mine. Still I get that error: http://pastebin.com/749248 . Do you know of anyone who managed to compile under Mac OS X version 10.4.x? |
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| 16:04.28 | Chestal | ToughShooter: is there a file "bzflag.log" in the current directory? I think there is a sample log within the .tgz |
| 16:04.43 | Chestal | ToughShooter: you can also supply the path/filename to a different logfile as a command line parameter |
| 16:05.16 | ToughShooter | Chestal: There is no such file, only sample.log |
| 16:05.30 | Chestal | then use that as a parameter |
| 16:06.10 | ToughShooter | I won't be able to look whether the bullets get through me then, or I am wrong? |
| 16:07.04 | ToughShooter | Ah, it works :o |
| 16:08.14 | ToughShooter | ..but the window hangs in background and I can not bring it into foreground :( |
| 16:08.14 | Chestal | the other part is to apply the patch to the bzflag client, so it writes such a logfile when you play |
| 16:08.42 | ToughShooter | Yes, the diff applied to the source tree compiled without problems |
| 16:08.57 | Chestal | don't know about the window problem |
| 16:09.05 | Chestal | shouldn't be caused by my code |
| 16:10.35 | ToughShooter | Only close, minimize and maximize buttons work when the window is in background slider etc doesn't |
| 16:11.32 | Chestal | I only ever tested in on debian linux |
| 16:15.03 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: the cheat download got removed. |
| 16:15.09 | JeffM2501 | cool |
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| 16:20.22 | JeffM2501 | it's good to see the GPL working for the little guy, even if it's just used in threats ;) |
| 16:21.14 | TimRiker | heh. well they are aware (or should be by now) that if they post the source and meet other license terms they can still post mods, but only time will tell if they take the trouble to do it. |
| 16:21.34 | sussi | do u have intentions to use bzflag code for differnt things than bzflag? |
| 16:21.55 | JeffM2501 | doubtfull that the person who posted it will |
| 16:22.09 | TimRiker | note the admins comments.... |
| 16:22.50 | JeffM2501 | hah |
| 16:22.59 | JeffM2501 | bet the "admin" is 14 |
| 16:23.29 | sussi | 14 able for court |
| 16:27.20 | JeffM2501 | doubt it would ever come to that |
| 16:27.35 | sussi | :() |
| 16:27.42 | JeffM2501 | a talk to the ISP would do it most likely if needed |
| 16:30.10 | sussi | How to proof the non-proffable? |
| 16:30.29 | sussi | i talk about the rapid input |
| 16:30.43 | sussi | still i think it include a bug |
| 16:30.56 | JeffM2501 | they were just posting binarys with out souce |
| 16:31.01 | JeffM2501 | that's easy to prove |
| 16:31.26 | sussi | i mean in general |
| 16:32.05 | JeffM2501 | actualy the GPL dosn't say you can't make profit |
| 16:32.07 | ToughShooter | Spreading a god-mode like thing or skinny? |
| 16:32.09 | JeffM2501 | you just can't misrepresent it |
| 16:32.17 | sussi | what are the first sign for abuse: you will feel it |
| 16:32.23 | JeffM2501 | and you have to give out the source |
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| 16:33.02 | JeffM2501 | I could charge you 100$ for bzflag, but I'd just have to give you the source for free, nor be able to put any restrictions on what you can do with it. |
| 16:33.53 | sussi | sry i want to talk about a different concern |
| 16:34.43 | sussi | i think i start to understand what lead to the spikes if use somebody ME (better named as rapid input) |
| 16:35.00 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 16:35.17 | JeffM2501 | it would not suprise me if there are problems with it |
| 16:35.21 | JeffM2501 | we know the DR dosn't like it |
| 16:35.23 | sussi | first i remmber that u started the responsetime of humans is around 200ms |
| 16:36.05 | sussi | but a human is able to sense 2ms (is esp. from the experiance with razor-mouse) |
| 16:36.22 | sussi | its a factor of 1:100 |
| 16:36.32 | JeffM2501 | I don't get what you are going for |
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| 16:37.22 | sussi | even if u are able to feel 20 ms : its a factor of 10 (to the response time) |
| 16:37.45 | JeffM2501 | umm ok |
| 16:38.04 | JeffM2501 | are you trying to say there is a 200ms hardcoded limit in the software somewhere? |
| 16:38.06 | sussi | that means if u use keyboard , the response time must apply to bzflag |
| 16:38.19 | sussi | these are humans limits |
| 16:38.42 | JeffM2501 | keyboard entry can allow for instant direction change |
| 16:39.15 | sussi | if u press 2 different keys on your keyboard : you vvan expect a timeshift of at least 200 ms |
| 16:39.29 | sussi | *can |
| 16:39.43 | Trae | is there a bzflag map editor for Linux? |
| 16:40.18 | sussi | but the mouse can produce 10 or 100 input in the same time |
| 16:41.31 | trepan | JeffM2501: LocalPlayer.cxx "if (keyboard) newAngVel = (old * 0.8f) + (desired * 0.2f);" |
| 16:41.31 | ToughShooter | Trae: You can code it by hand or create ".obj" files and import them into the map files |
| 16:41.39 | sussi | so the response time is a "human input filter" |
| 16:41.56 | Trae | ToughShooter, sounds like work. :) |
| 16:42.28 | sussi | but between mouse and DR arnt any filter |
| 16:42.50 | ToughShooter | Trae: Here's the description about the map format: http://my.bzflag.org/bzfman.cgi?bzw.5.in |
| 16:43.59 | sussi | the mouse input isnt limited in any case, it could produce the same effect as to start a screen copy at the right time |
| 16:44.21 | sussi | right? |
| 16:46.16 | sussi | in consequence bzflag produce locally every vector what the mouse wants |
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| 16:48.07 | sussi | if it is an undamped curve , you can see a shrt vibration with the filterspeed (for the network), if u ride as an observer with a tank |
| 16:49.02 | sussi | the network showing only 30 vibration but localy it can be a multiply for it |
| 16:50.03 | sussi | more precisely : it must otherwise wouldnt vibrate the tank not exactly with 30 fps |
| 16:50.43 | ToughShooter | ~rot13 GvzEvxre |
| 16:50.43 | ibot | TimRiker |
| 16:50.58 | ToughShooter | ah |
| 16:52.57 | sussi | its not a technical bug is a logical 1 |
| 16:53.46 | sussi | " keyboard entry can allow for instant direction change" but it need a human to press the keys, which has as every human a reaction time |
| 16:58.26 | sussi | first solution: place the FILTER infront of the input , second solution: dont allow the DR to forget any vectors |
| 16:59.58 | sussi | 3. solution: additional to the acceleration introduce a damperfactor: it should be equal to the human response time |
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| 17:00.25 | sussi | read it or ignore it , i told what i think about |
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| 17:11.45 | gsnedders | how are observers ordered in the scoreboard? |
| 17:12.08 | blast007 | they are put at the bottom |
| 17:12.09 | ToughShooter | Yourself are always the 1st obs |
| 17:12.28 | ToughShooter | After that I don't know |
| 17:13.37 | gsnedders | blast007: I know about that, but how are they actually ordered? |
| 17:13.49 | blast007 | heh |
| 17:15.06 | gsnedders | I can't find any order in them whatsoever |
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| 17:18.44 | blast007 | maybe just by player id for the observers, with your name first |
| 17:18.58 | Shark | hi i've downloaded the 2.0.8 src but it fails to compile with the following error: MediaFile.cxx:(.text+0x3cc): undefined reference to `std::basic_istream<char, std::char_traits<char> >::ignore(int)' |
| 17:18.59 | gsnedders | nope, it isn't |
| 17:19.03 | Shark | any idea? |
| 17:20.35 | blast007 | gsnedders: it's all handled in ScoreboardRenderer.css in ScoreboardRenderer::newSortedList |
| 17:20.40 | blast007 | s/css/cxx/ |
| 17:20.49 | ToughShooter | gsnedders: Perhaps joining time with yourself first |
| 17:20.50 | blast007 | (too much web design apparently) |
| 17:21.11 | blast007 | // TODO: Sort obs here (by time joined, when that info is available) |
| 17:21.26 | blast007 | that's from 2.0.x code |
| 17:21.56 | blast007 | Shark: what operating system? |
| 17:22.11 | Shark | gentoo-linux |
| 17:22.40 | Shark | is some lib missing? |
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| 17:36.36 | ruskie | hmmm I'm dizzy |
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| 18:58.12 | TimRiker | ~nslookup league.bzflag.org |
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| 20:09.46 | Mr_Molez | anyone other server owners having trouble with their server not showing in the server list as having players, even though there are loads on the server? |
| 20:14.26 | uso | trepan: the dampening on keyboard movement is only for angular movement, i.e. for turning to make aiming easier, not for forward-backward movement |
| 20:14.52 | uso | and angular movement is not the problem, as the tank stays at the same location and you hit it |
| 20:17.07 | uso | and sussi forgot you don't need to react to your own keypress, you can intentionally press two keys after each other, no reaction time is needed |
| 20:18.44 | TD-Linux | is there a keyword I can use to make meshboxes UV-map textures like the old boxes? |
| 20:19.09 | TD-Linux | i.e. scale UVmaps to cause textures to repeat instead of leave the UV's the same so they stretch |
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| 20:33.16 | Mr_Molez | its cant be normal for the server to show no plaers on the server even though there are loads after just 30 mins and never ever show players again unless server is restarted |
| 20:33.26 | L4m3r | TD-Linux: To do that I usually just make a mesh box and group it |
| 20:35.03 | L4m3r | lemme throw the code into pastebin, hold on |
| 20:35.07 | menotume | ~TimRiker++ |
| 20:35.57 | menotume | Mr_Molez: which server ? 5156 ? |
| 20:36.40 | L4m3r | TD-Linux: here ya go: http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/60406 |
| 20:36.50 | L4m3r | just use the group and retexture as needed |
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| 20:37.29 | Mr_Molez | menotume: openleague.org:59998 |
| 20:38.02 | TD-Linux | interesting |
| 20:38.07 | Mr_Molez | last few days its never stayed on list longer than 30 mins |
| 20:38.10 | TD-Linux | and when you scale it, it scales the uvmaps too? |
| 20:38.16 | TD-Linux | or do you use 'size' ? |
| 20:38.27 | menotume | Mr_Molez: it shows 3g, 3r, 2obs for me |
| 20:38.46 | menotume | using -advertise ? |
| 20:38.55 | Mr_Molez | hmm started working again now |
| 20:39.02 | Mr_Molez | didnt show on list as having players a min ago |
| 20:39.07 | TD-Linux | the 5-minute update time got you? |
| 20:39.14 | L4m3r | TD-Linux: no, mesh scales the textures correctly, regardless of size. They tile, rather than stretch. |
| 20:39.24 | Mr_Molez | no not advertise |
| 20:39.25 | TD-Linux | aah ok |
| 20:39.32 | L4m3r | also, make sure you do the transformations in the right order :P |
| 20:39.39 | TD-Linux | okay :) |
| 20:39.40 | L4m3r | scale, spin, shift |
| 20:39.47 | TD-Linux | yup |
| 20:39.57 | TD-Linux | except for some certain instances, when I want to spin first :) |
| 20:40.02 | L4m3r | yes |
| 20:40.11 | L4m3r | or when you're arranging things radially |
| 20:40.28 | TD-Linux | yup :) |
| 20:40.31 | TD-Linux | thank you :) |
| 20:40.40 | TD-Linux | I use too many smilies :) |
| 20:40.57 | L4m3r | heh |
| 20:41.32 | TD-Linux | L4m3r: guess what map I'm using this on? |
| 20:41.42 | L4m3r | uh... no idea |
| 20:41.46 | TD-Linux | boxywar :) |
| 20:41.49 | L4m3r | heh :) |
| 20:42.01 | L4m3r | did you ever see those rico traps on the bacon server? |
| 20:42.03 | TD-Linux | I helped Meteorite set up svn, so ask him for an account and you can work on it if you want :) |
| 20:42.16 | TD-Linux | svn co svn://bzfx.net/boxywar |
| 20:42.32 | L4m3r | I've already done some work on the map, actually |
| 20:42.50 | TD-Linux | I've seen it already |
| 20:42.59 | TD-Linux | the rico-blockers? |
| 20:43.02 | L4m3r | yup |
| 20:43.17 | TD-Linux | I actually like using rico in the bases |
| 20:43.17 | L4m3r | hopefully after you guys are done I can redo them better |
| 20:43.32 | TD-Linux | right now I'm going through and organizing everything and labeling it |
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| 20:47.56 | TD-Linux | can groups be forward-referenced? |
| 20:50.48 | L4m3r | what do you mean? |
| 20:51.25 | TD-Linux | yes, they can :) |
| 20:51.34 | L4m3r | heh |
| 20:51.36 | TD-Linux | alright, thanks for the group-thingy :) |
| 20:51.47 | L4m3r | no problem |
| 20:51.57 | TD-Linux | through I found that using a material with solid-red color and emission to identify boxes really hurts my eyes :) |
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| 20:56.21 | TD-Linux | are there any predefined standard materials for boxes |
| 20:56.26 | TD-Linux | like Ground_Material? |
| 20:56.31 | TD-Linux | that I could reference? |
| 20:56.57 | L4m3r | meshboxes and arcs have "top" "bottom" and "outside" handlers |
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| 20:57.16 | L4m3r | but as far as changing the standard textures I don't think so |
| 20:57.39 | L4m3r | you could always tweak that group def I gave you though ;) |
| 20:59.08 | TD-Linux | I meant the opposite way |
| 20:59.15 | TD-Linux | apply those materials to your group def :) |
| 20:59.22 | TD-Linux | I made some myself, those will work |
| 21:21.31 | TD-Linux | argh, the pyramids have the same problem |
| 21:21.36 | TD-Linux | got some code for that, too ? |
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| 21:35.06 | RPG_ | ~bzcvs |
| 21:35.08 | ibot | cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P bzflag |
| 21:35.20 | RPG_ | ~bzcvs |
| 21:35.21 | ibot | cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P bzflag |
| 21:35.36 | RPG_ | :( |
| 21:35.40 | RPG_ | ~cvs |
| 21:35.41 | ibot | it has been said that cvs is concurrent versions systems. more info here http://www.cvshome.org/. The asterisk CVS is no more. Please see svn. |
| 21:41.11 | Elspuddy | is 5154 a tcp port ? |
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| 21:51.22 | Mr_Molez | yup |
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| 22:14.44 | TimRiker | hmm. no v2_0 in there anymore? |
| 22:14.52 | TimRiker | ~factinfo bzcvs |
| 22:14.52 | ibot | bzcvs -- last modified at Wed May 24 21:43:43 2006 by bryjen!n=bryjen@63.147.94.149; it has been requested 10 times, last by RPG_, 39m 31s ago. |
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| 22:17.41 | CBG | ~bz20cvs |
| 22:17.43 | ibot | cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P -r v2_0branch bzflag |
| 22:17.50 | CBG | TimRiker, RPG_ ^ |
| 22:22.04 | TimRiker | ibot: no, bzcvs is <reply> cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P bzflag (this is for HEAD ie: 2.1 see also bz20cvs) |
| 22:22.06 | ibot | TimRiker: okay |
| 22:24.30 | Elspuddy | hmmm |
| 22:24.49 | Elspuddy | "checking for curl >= 7.10.0... ./configure: line 19721: curl-config: command not found FAILED" <-- geting that when trying to ./configure bzfs |
| 22:25.49 | TimRiker | so you need curl binaries. |
| 22:26.08 | TimRiker | os? and version? |
| 22:26.56 | Elspuddy | mandriva 2006 and 2.0.8 of bzfs |
| 22:27.22 | Elspuddy | says curl is allready installed |
| 22:27.36 | Mr_Molez | have you got curl dev ? |
| 22:28.06 | Elspuddy | i dont think i have |
| 22:33.09 | Elspuddy | i'm wrong i got it installed |
| 22:33.17 | Elspuddy | curl-7.14.0-2.2.20060mdk |
| 22:33.17 | Elspuddy | libcurl3-7.14.0-2.2.20060mdk |
| 22:34.14 | Mr_Molez | u will also need libcurl-dev |
| 22:34.16 | Mr_Molez | i think |
| 22:36.59 | Elspuddy | yep, i needed them :) |
| 22:49.30 | Elspuddy | hmm, now i;m geting /usr/bin/../lib/OBLISK/bzflag-2.0.8/bin/bzfs: error while loading shared libraries: libgnutls.so.13: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 22:50.04 | Elspuddy | yep i did install that opkg |
| 22:51.28 | Mr_Molez | and the dev for that package ? |
| 22:53.08 | Elspuddy | only what was in the bzflag-2.0.8-x86-Opkg.tar.gz file |
| 22:53.50 | Mr_Molez | i aint got a clue |
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| 23:02.48 | uso | anyone know which is the latest filedescriptor bzfs opens? |
| 23:03.09 | uso | or is there a way which device is attached to a fd in linux? |
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| 23:03.32 | uso | server hangs in a recv(7, .. |
| 23:03.53 | uso | and 7 is the highest fd the process has opened |
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| 23:57.13 | jzaun | Does Gerbil hop on IRC anymore? |
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| 23:58.48 | PuMpErNiCkLe | ~seen Gerbil |
| 23:58.50 | ibot | gerbil <~d894f646@203.194.240.139> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 1220d 3h 19m 57s ago, saying: 'please mail memoney'. |
| 23:59.02 | PuMpErNiCkLe | 1220 days ago.... I think that's a no :) |
| 23:59.13 | jzaun | yah, been awhile I guess :-) |
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| 23:59.52 | menotume | that was his favoriter saying too ... please mail me money |
