irclog2html for #bzflag on 20060614

`00:00.07`	`Smokey\|Bear`	`to get me`
`00:00.24`	`Smokey\|Bear`	`I can change my IP though.`
`00:00.25`	`purple_cow`	`that's not what I mean. I know it's for you`
`00:03.06`	`Smokey\|Bear`	`They do 'voting' just to get me frustrated.`
`00:03.52`	`Smokey\|Bear`	`Which is pittiful if you ask me.`
`00:08.36`	`Gnurdux`	`Smokey\|Bear, it is pitiful to purposefully disrupt a channel`
`00:09.04`	`Mr_Molez`	`yeh totally !!`
`00:13.59`	`Smokey\|Bear`	`Likewise.`
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`00:14.57`	`A_Meteorite`	`I vote in favor of +q`
`00:15.06`	`A_Meteorite`	`:)`
`00:15.25`	`A_Meteorite`	`whispers is that G-MAN? because he's worse on IRC than the bzbb if so`
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`00:17.18`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+b %A_Meteorite!@*] by brlcad`
`00:17.41`	`*** mode/#bzflag [-b %A_Meteorite!@*] by brlcad`
`00:17.53`	`purple_cow`	`i still don't get this voting thing`
`00:18.01`	`A_Meteorite`	`you were gonna ban me? eek`
`00:18.05`	`purple_cow`	`maybe that's why they call me the fist`
`00:18.17`	`Gnurdux`	`quiet, not ban`
`00:19.27`	`Mr_Molez`	`lol meteorbite got banned :P`
`00:19.36`	`Gnurdux`	`Mr_Molez, he got quieted`
`00:19.47`	`Mr_Molez`	`is quieted a real word ?`
`00:19.52`	`IRCAdmin`	`no`
`00:19.54`	`Mr_Molez`	`~dict quieted`
`00:20.01`	`Mr_Molez`	`uhh guess so`
`00:20.04`	`IRCAdmin`	`oh my GOD`
`00:20.19`	`Mr_Molez`	`IRCAdmin: ha proved wrong !`
`00:20.29`	`IRCAdmin`	`More like Shakesspeare if you ask me.`
`00:20.42`	`A_Meteorite`	`Who the heck is IRCAdmin?`
`00:20.53`	`purple_cow`	`A_Meteorite: it's Smokey\|Bear`
`00:20.55`	`IRCAdmin`	`IRCAdmin`
`00:20.58`	`A_Meteorite`	`oh noez`
`00:21.01`	`IRCAdmin`	`lol`
`00:21.08`	`IRCAdmin`	`good job`
`00:21.09`	`Gnurdux`	`he didn't even change username! lol!`
`00:21.15`	`IRCAdmin`	`i know`
`00:21.16`	`Gnurdux`	`* IRCAdmin (n=G-UNIT@71-32-254-82.ptld.qwest.net) has joined #bzflag`
`00:21.23`	`IRCAdmin`	`lol`
`00:21.32`	`IRCAdmin`	`you got me`
`00:21.47`	`Gnurdux`	`IRCAdmin, just behave yourself, rather than running from being banned, dont GET banned`
`00:22.31`	`brlcad`	`Gnurdux: you're really not in a position to be telling others what to do in the channel, take it private`
`00:23.41`	`IRCAdmin`	`I like this name, but I've been G-LINED for it.`
`00:25.11`	`brlcad`	`~nickometer IRCAdmin`
`00:25.52`	`IRCAdmin`	`nickometer G-UNIT
`00:25.55`	`IRCAdmin`	`oops`
`00:26.04`	`IRCAdmin`	`~nickometer G-UNIT`
`00:26.15`	`IRCAdmin`	`what!`
`00:26.38`	`brlcad`	`yep, they both suck`
`00:26.44`	`purple_cow`	`way to go, brlcad ;)`
`00:26.57`	`Gnurdux`	`how does nickometer work?`
`00:27.07`	`hello1`	`it's random`
`00:27.15`	`hello1`	`~nickometer hello1`
`00:27.15`	`purple_cow`	`no, it's a formula`
`00:27.18`	`Gnurdux`	`yea`
`00:27.25`	`Gnurdux`	`it says <purl> 'gnurdux' is 0.000% lame, gnurdux`
`00:27.38`	`blast007`	`Gnurdux: it doesn't know you`
`00:27.42`	`Gnurdux`	`ah`
`00:27.57`	`purple_cow`	`go look at the source code if you're interested, it's OT here`
`00:28.00`	`brlcad`	`blast007: :)`
`00:28.14`	`blast007`	`:)`
`00:28.17`	`hello1`	`~nickometer Gnurdux`
`00:28.25`	`hello1`	`What!!!`
`00:28.36`	`hello1`	`you suck ibot`
`00:28.49`	`brlcad`	`hello1: enough with the bot, take it private if you want to try more`
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`00:29.44`	`hello1`	`Where i get ibot?`
`00:30.15`	`A_Meteorite`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:30.22`	`A_Meteorite`	`then you get to play with him all you want`
`00:30.46`	`brlcad`	`or join #botpark and play there`
`00:30.51`	`Gnurdux`	`or #botpark , purl is there`
`00:30.53`	`Gnurdux`	`yeo`
`00:30.58`	`Gnurdux`	`purl is the same bot`
`00:38.31`	`dead`	`I like this one 0% lame`
`00:40.46`	`Mr_Molez`	`kids off school yay ! :P`
`00:41.02`	`Gnurdux`	`hehe... that just means im extrannoying`
`00:41.40`	`dead`	`lol me too`
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`00:47.51`	`A_Meteorite`	`yeah... like we need more annoying people ;)`
`00:48.13`	`L4m3r`	`:(`
`00:48.29`	`A_Meteorite`	`not you, L4m3r`
`00:48.30`	`Gnurdux`	`A_Meteorite, he wasn't talking about you, don't worry`
`00:48.40`	`L4m3r`	`oh, hi Gnurdux!`
`00:50.41`	`Gnurdux`	`whoops i meant L4m3r not A_Meteorite /me isn't thinking straight`
`00:50.56`	`A_Meteorite`	`lol`
`00:51.01`	`blast007`	`Gnurdux: no, you just aren't thinking at all`
`00:51.07`	`Gnurdux`	`yea, true`
`00:51.18`	`blast007`	`:)`
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`01:04.49`	`JeffM2501`	`pot calling the kettle black at it's best`
`01:06.08`	`trepan`	`apparently, the irony was too much`
`01:06.22`	`blast007`	`:)`
`01:06.52`	`trepan`	`flagmasters (stupid name) server now testing memos`
`01:07.09`	`L4m3r`	`memos?`
`01:07.19`	`trepan`	`ya, like MemoServ`
`01:07.34`	`L4m3r`	`neat. is this on a per-server basis or via the list server?`
`01:07.43`	`trepan`	`per-server`
`01:07.53`	`L4m3r`	`cool`
`01:08.28`	`trepan`	`haven't added the new-memo notification feature yet`
`01:09.00`	`trepan`	`in fact, the code is a steaming pile of crap`
`01:09.19`	`L4m3r`	`I was thinking of making a plugin that would let you leave admin memos... if you were trying to think of things... :P`
`01:09.25`	`trepan`	`it's a mix between my desire to write it as a plugin, and the desire to avoid the api`
`01:09.33`	`L4m3r`	`heh`
`01:10.30`	`trepan`	`ya, i've thought about add a separate /report file for admins before, would be simpler then what i've done`
`01:11.18`	`L4m3r`	`yeah, something that would report to an admin the first time he joined`
`01:11.32`	`L4m3r`	`bind to the admin channel perm`
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`01:12.07`	`dead`	`i think that purl bot hates me.`
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`03:00.02`	`jzaun`	`Anyone know where the wings exporter plugin is?`
`03:01.15`	`trepan`	`http://trepan.homelinux.net/wings3d_to_bzw_1.1.tar.gz`
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`03:03.59`	`jzaun`	`trepan, thanks`
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`03:12.48`	`trepan`	`the opposite of memos... tags. admins can attach notes to players`
`03:13.04`	`L4m3r`	`:D`
`03:13.07`	`orange`	`interesting idea`
`03:13.17`	`L4m3r`	`I was planning something like that, too, a /watchfor command`
`03:13.22`	`L4m3r`	`via callsign or IP`
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`03:44.22`	`FluffyArmada`	`Is anisotropic filtering supported for MacOS?`
`03:48.31`	`trepan`	`FluffyArmada: you might be able to turn it on with your driver controls`
`03:49.00`	`FluffyArmada`	`ok... I'm using the Radeon control thingy... [ works on it ]`
`03:49.20`	`trepan`	`or you could get the GLEW library and build your own client with built in support, dunno if anyone tried it on a Mac yet`
`03:49.58`	`FluffyArmada`	`It's listed as an option, but next to it it says, "Unavailable".`
`03:50.22`	`trepan`	`no glew -> no aniso option`
`03:50.34`	`FluffyArmada`	`k`
`03:51.31`	`FluffyArmada`	`geeze... I haven't compiled bzflag since I used Gentoo.`
`03:56.16`	`FluffyArmada`	`Ooo! I get to build something with Xcode! How exciting!`
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`05:21.14`	`I_Died_Once`	`I decided to up to the latest Kubuntu, BTW... not that anyone asked or cares`
`05:21.38`	`L4m3r`	`how is it?`
`05:22.02`	`I_Died_Once`	`Not too terribly bad, fairly well actually`
`05:22.14`	`L4m3r`	`(I'd test it myself but I'm out of spare hard drives)`
`05:22.14`	`I_Died_Once`	`the power went out right after my initial boot`
`05:22.35`	`I_Died_Once`	`getting everything configured`
`05:24.35`	`I_Died_Once`	`ok, the CTRL ALT Backspace-ing to config my nvidia driver shall now commence`
`05:24.48`	`I_Died_Once`	`be back.... shortly, i hope`
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`07:01.49`	`Thonolan`	`configure: WARNING: Client build has been requested, but GL is not fully available (missing gl.h)`
`07:01.50`	`Thonolan`	`<PROTECTED>`
`07:02.19`	`Thonolan`	`any idea ? my system ububtu dapper drake`
`07:03.26`	`cosmos`	`thats one hell of a name for an os. ububtu dapper drake`
`07:03.27`	`cosmos`	`hahaha`
`07:06.37`	`Thonolan`	`:)`
`07:07.03`	`Thonolan`	`ubuntu sorry ;)`
`07:07.09`	`Thonolan`	`big fingers`
`07:07.28`	`cosmos`	`the dapper drake is the funny part`
`07:07.49`	`Thonolan`	`ah but its seriously :)`
`07:07.52`	`cosmos`	`sounds like an operating system for pimps`
`07:07.59`	`Thonolan`	`jikes`
`07:08.22`	`cosmos`	`dapper drake says pimps up and hos down!`
`07:09.03`	`Thonolan`	`so i better say next time ubuntu 6.06 ;)`
`07:09.20`	`Thonolan`	`phweew`
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`08:57.55`	`ruskie`	`lol ST sneaked up behing GM and said turn around... and got blown out of the sky :)`
`08:58.03`	`ruskie`	`the gm that is :)`
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`09:06.57`	erik`	`ST?`
`09:08.43`	`L4m3r`	`At mofo, it's always fun to get a laser and get in a corner, use your binos to get someone in your crosshairs across the map, greet them, and... pop`
`09:09.11`	`L4m3r`	`especially when they have GM`
`09:16.03`	`ruskie`	`L4m3r, I ussualy hit other jumping lasers with it :)`
`09:16.07`	`ruskie`	`and flying monkeys`
`09:16.17`	`L4m3r`	`yes, them too`
`09:16.37`	`L4m3r`	`but still not as funny as yelling "HI HOLEY!" and boom`
`09:16.51`	`L4m3r`	`...and hearing the obscenities that follow`
`09:16.57`	`ruskie`	`the best thing is when the only comment you get is "You again... grrrr"`
`09:17.03`	`L4m3r`	`lol`
`09:17.17`	`ruskie`	`or "You still have that laser"`
`09:17.22`	`L4m3r`	`or when people accuse you of cheating`
`09:17.38`	`ruskie`	`yeah`
`09:17.41`	`ruskie`	`that's the best...`
`09:17.55`	`ruskie`	`though so far I think I got once by a newb`
`09:17.59`	`L4m3r`	`heh`
`09:18.14`	`ruskie`	`when I played cs I got accussed of cheating once as well`
`09:18.26`	`L4m3r`	`I've been called out by a few newbs, and a certain jackass who will remain NaMeLesS`
`09:18.34`	`ruskie`	`:)`
`09:18.59`	`ruskie`	`acctually I am not the only one who uses the laser as an airborne weapon :)`
`09:18.59`	`L4m3r`	`all the mofo regulars must hate me...`
`09:19.19`	`ruskie`	`well I stoped playing for the summer`
`09:19.29`	`L4m3r`	`all I really do there is get into grudge matches, and I beat the crap out of my target(s)`
`09:19.35`	`ruskie`	`I can spawn and within 1 min I'll have 3 ppl trying to kill me`
`09:20.54`	`L4m3r`	`There are few things as satisfying as getting like 25~10 against someone who plays like a jerk`
`09:21.22`	`ruskie`	`well I ussualy get to the top score quickly...`
`09:21.31`	`ruskie`	`so that brings in all the sharks`
`09:21.35`	`L4m3r`	`heh`
`09:21.59`	`ruskie`	`so I basicaly have to keep killing them instead of enjoying the game...`
`09:22.36`	`L4m3r`	`I don't necessarily go for the top person`
`09:22.42`	`ruskie`	`and then they get all frustrated and mad etc.... and start coming after me exclusively`
`09:23.03`	`L4m3r`	`I pick off people who are bad wings whores, excessive campers, etc etc`
`09:23.09`	`ruskie`	`they try cl when I have laser and fail... and st when I have gm and fail`
`09:23.23`	`ruskie`	`yeah I like doing that as well`
`09:23.34`	`L4m3r`	`pathological shoppers`
`09:24.26`	`ruskie`	`I'm ussualy happy with any flag...`
`09:24.38`	`ruskie`	`but TH is the most fun of the lot :)`
`09:24.45`	`L4m3r`	`heh`
`09:24.49`	`L4m3r`	`I love speed flags`
`09:25.03`	`ruskie`	`one can kill an entire team with TH`
`09:25.10`	`L4m3r`	`very powerful when used right, and people can't call it cheap`
`09:25.14`	`ruskie`	`depending on the amount of stupidity they have`
`09:25.48`	`L4m3r`	`especially GM... GM campers are so dumb about speed flags`
`09:25.53`	`ruskie`	`ehh`
`09:26.00`	`ruskie`	`gm is easy to dodge and kill`
`09:26.04`	`L4m3r`	`they don't realize that they're just as dangerous as STs`
`09:26.16`	`ruskie`	`I kill gm's without a flag`
`09:26.19`	`L4m3r`	`heh`
`09:26.24`	`L4m3r`	`I do too, occasionally`
`09:26.32`	`L4m3r`	`mofo makes it tough though, with those corners`
`09:26.40`	`ruskie`	`the only flag that really needs a flag is laser ussualy`
`09:26.55`	`L4m3r`	`and wings, unless the weenie is a dumb one`
`09:27.00`	`ruskie`	`naahh`
`09:27.05`	`ruskie`	`wings can be handled`
`09:27.12`	`L4m3r`	`speed flags are great for catching wings off guard too`
`09:27.19`	`ruskie`	`if they are around a pyramid they're easy prey`
`09:27.29`	`L4m3r`	`they try to divebomb you and you make a flying jump and nail them as they try to fly away`
`09:27.36`	`ruskie`	`:)`
`09:27.51`	`L4m3r`	`they always underestimate the speed of an agility jump :P`
`09:28.19`	`ruskie`	`I use speed flags to mess with the team as a distraction while others take them out`
`09:28.22`	`ruskie`	`:)`
`09:28.24`	`L4m3r`	`heh`
`09:28.38`	`L4m3r`	`I just outmaneuver their shots`
`09:28.40`	`ruskie`	`I'll rarely shoot`
`09:28.54`	`L4m3r`	`use rico to spray them behind me`
`09:28.59`	`ruskie`	`well try it with a red circle around you :)`
`09:29.10`	`L4m3r`	`heh`
`09:29.11`	`ruskie`	`and you jumping in the middle of it :)`
`09:29.26`	`L4m3r`	`take out a couple, take a long jump behind a pyramid`
`09:29.44`	`L4m3r`	`swoop around and make another pass, get 3 more if you're lucky`
`09:29.55`	`ruskie`	`with my luck they would spawn just so that they would kill me`
`09:30.01`	`L4m3r`	`heh`
`09:30.13`	`Chestal`	`what's that game you're talking about? Must be one similar to bzflag, but with jumping tanks :-)`
`09:30.20`	`ruskie`	`every time I drop from a high ledge someone spawns under me`
`09:30.35`	`L4m3r`	`know the feeling.`
`09:32.11`	`L4m3r`	`ok, roommate is going to bed, don't want to keep him awake... cya`
`09:32.22`	`ruskie`	`bye`
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`10:03.42`	`zee790`	`:)`
`10:04.33`	`zee790`	`haya`
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`15:33.26`	`Gnurdux`	`hi TheRedBaron`
`15:33.27`	`Gnurdux`	`* TIm`
`15:33.29`	`Gnurdux`	`* TimRiker`
`15:33.34`	`TheRedBaron`	`oh`
`15:33.49`	`Gnurdux`	`lol sry`
`15:33.56`	`Gnurdux`	`hi TheRedBaron too`
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`17:10.54`	`ruskie`	`my lowest score since I started playing better...`
`17:12.10`	`G-MAN`	`I'm always in the negative.`
`17:12.59`	`ruskie`	`I'm more often than note the top player by score`
`17:13.23`	`ruskie`	`does help if you don't get tked the first 15 times`
`17:13.36`	`G-MAN`	`lol`
`17:15.17`	`brlcad`	`o.O`
`17:15.22`	`G-MAN`	`i know`
`17:18.13`	`TD-Linux`	`Gnurdux has a way of making friends, and enemies..`
`17:18.21`	`Gnurdux`	`lol`
`17:18.26`	`G-MAN`	`guess so`
`17:18.26`	`Gnurdux`	`JeffM2501 made an enemy of me first`
`17:18.54`	`Manu`	`hola brlcad :)`
`17:19.49`	`brlcad`	`he doesn't make enemies, just doesn't tolerate offtopic or otherwise annoying banter that is counterproductive`
`17:19.55`	`G-MAN`	`Isn't BRL-CAD a cad program?`
`17:19.55`	`brlcad`	`hola Manu`
`17:20.02`	`brlcad`	`G-MAN: yes, it is`
`17:20.12`	`G-MAN`	`I'm good.`
`17:20.41`	`brlcad`	`figure that out all by yourself? :)`
`17:20.47`	`TheRedBaron`	`I still think he should go as burlycad`
`17:20.57`	`G-MAN`	`No, my friend has it.`
`17:21.08`	`brlcad`	`it's pronounced "bee are ell cad"`
`17:21.43`	`G-MAN`	`Sorry, more of an Autodesk person.`
`17:21.48`	`JeffM2501`	`wtf`
`17:21.57`	`TheRedBaron`	`I pronounce it "Brrrr-ulll-cad"`
`17:22.07`	`TheRedBaron`	`or "burlyCad"`
`17:22.09`	`G-MAN`	`Wtf?`
`17:22.27`	`TheRedBaron`	`brlcad: it would be awesome`
`17:22.32`	`TheRedBaron`	`~dict burly`
`17:22.35`	`TheRedBaron`	`~dict cad`
`17:22.36`	`brlcad`	`autodesk is a rather evil company, autocad is okay`
`17:22.47`	`brlcad`	`TheRedBaron: heh`
`17:22.57`	`TheRedBaron`	`well, there is another definition of cad`
`17:23.04`	`G-MAN`	`I like Flash 8`
`17:23.05`	`TheRedBaron`	`but i'm not going to use ibot`
`17:23.15`	`JeffM2501`	`flash is not cad ;)`
`17:23.20`	`G-MAN`	`I know`
`17:23.31`	`G-MAN`	`I make bloody animations with it though`
`17:23.43`	`brlcad`	`it's about as relevant as "I like fingerpaint"`
`17:23.55`	`orange`	`ooh, you too brlcad?`
`17:23.57`	`G-MAN`	`really?`
`17:24.01`	`brlcad`	`:)`
`17:24.11`	`brlcad`	`orange: me too?`
`17:24.11`	`orange`	`aww, I misread it`
`17:24.14`	`TheRedBaron`	`brlcad: "Cad" 1 : an omnibus conductor`
`17:24.14`	`TheRedBaron`	`2 : a man who acts with deliberate disregard for another's feelings or rights`
`17:24.17`	`orange`	`I thought you said "I like fingerprints"`
`17:24.25`	`brlcad`	`heh`
`17:24.29`	`brlcad`	`i do like fingerpaint`
`17:24.47`	`brlcad`	`it was one of the most productive things I did in college :)`
`17:24.55`	`G-MAN`	`Some guy in #planetmofo asked me if I was a masochist.`
`17:25.08`	`TheRedBaron`	`so - BurlyCad is a beautiful redundancy`
`17:25.40`	`TheRedBaron`	`G-MAN: you were repeatedly larting yourself, it invites the question`
`17:26.01`	`JeffM2501`	`autodesk IS evil`
`17:26.04`	`G-MAN`	`I was being starcastic, like a comedian.`
`17:26.10`	`JeffM2501`	`I hate workwing with there support dept`
`17:26.29`	`JeffM2501`	`stupid DWG API`
`17:26.31`	`G-MAN`	`I don't have probems with it`
`17:26.55`	`brlcad`	`TheRedBaron: so I should change our project byline to be "Use BRL-CAD! handsome bus drivers acting with a deliberate disregard for other's feelings agree"`
`17:27.32`	`JeffM2501`	`9 of of 10 of them`
`17:28.03`	`TheRedBaron`	`brlcad: well, if you are burly, i'm sure your female clientel would increase`
`17:28.04`	`brlcad`	`heh, yeah`
`17:29.08`	`JeffM2501`	`we should do an add-in for blrcad :)`
`17:29.30`	`JeffM2501`	`tho I'm not sure who would machine your data`
`17:29.44`	`brlcad`	`people come to us asking about CAM integration and I just chuckle`
`17:30.30`	`brlcad`	`getting the data machined isn't too bad, but usually involves converting the implicit model to stl or some other facet format`
`17:30.38`	`JeffM2501`	`eww`
`17:30.39`	`G-MAN`	`HUH?`
`17:30.48`	`JeffM2501`	`can't do surfs?`
`17:31.04`	`brlcad`	`we can but it's in our format`
`17:31.25`	`brlcad`	`i mean gibbs doesn't exactly read our .g format :)`
`17:31.45`	`G-MAN`	`Wait, GIBB won't work on my computer.`
`17:31.59`	`G-MAN`	`I keep trying, but...`
`17:32.01`	`brlcad`	`most of the exporters lose the implicit rep and convert to some non-nurb brep form`
`17:32.23`	`G-MAN`	`Wahty Waht What?`
`17:32.31`	`G-MAN`	`English please.`
`17:32.37`	`orange`	`sometimes in conversations, it's OK to not talk if you have nothing to say.`
`17:32.38`	`JeffM2501`	`G-MAN, it's not for you`
`17:32.40`	`brlcad`	`G-MAN: if you don't understand just keep quiet`
`17:32.56`	`JeffM2501`	`brlcad, can you do any of the common comercial "solid" formats?`
`17:33.01`	`JeffM2501`	`like parasolid or ACIS?`
`17:33.04`	`brlcad`	`listen or search the web in the meantime`
`17:33.11`	`JeffM2501`	`or STEP`
`17:33.32`	`brlcad`	`STEP is a b!tch`
`17:33.36`	`JeffM2501`	`I know`
`17:33.48`	`brlcad`	`i have ap 203 and 214 sitting at my feet printed out`
`17:33.52`	`brlcad`	`about 10k sheets`
`17:34.23`	`brlcad`	`we do iges and have worked with acis in the past`
`17:35.22`	`brlcad`	`but usually/historically the "easiest" was to convert to polygonal and export as that still`
`17:36.31`	`G-MAN`	`Why not do this stuff in Adobe Illustrator?`
`17:36.36`	`brlcad`	`geometry export has never been a big concern/need/demand/funded concept. not like we need to give people an easy path to use other's tools ;)`
`17:37.32`	`JeffM2501`	`polygons don't machine well`
`17:37.35`	`JeffM2501`	`we can't even do it`
`17:37.53`	`G-MAN`	`A polygon is a triangle, right?`
`17:38.03`	`JeffM2501`	`your not realy design phase tool tho, more like analasis phase right?`
`17:38.04`	`brlcad`	`a triangle is a polygon`
`17:38.18`	`brlcad`	`right, almost entirely analysis`
`17:38.20`	`JeffM2501`	`poly meaning many`
`17:38.23`	`G-MAN`	`I need to go back to geometry.`
`17:38.40`	`JeffM2501`	`you call for CAD integration is minimal then`
`17:38.56`	`brlcad`	`we import a lot`
`17:38.57`	`G-MAN`	`Hey Autodesk easy to use.`
`17:39.14`	`JeffM2501`	`autodesk is a company`
`17:39.15`	`brlcad`	`or model directly a lot`
`17:39.33`	`G-MAN`	`I know, Maya is pretty cool.`
`17:39.45`	`JeffM2501`	`I think we can finaly output the machined solid as a STL :)`
`17:40.24`	`JeffM2501`	`G-MAN, that is not a CAD program`
`17:40.30`	`G-MAN`	`Yes it is.`
`17:40.34`	`JeffM2501`	`it's a modeler`
`17:40.41`	`JeffM2501`	`it's not make for making real things`
`17:40.46`	`JeffM2501`	`it's for rendering and animation`
`17:40.57`	`brlcad`	`most of the best models were actually completely modeled in brl-cad, it's only recently that we're starting to get a lot of external models too and those are mainly pro/e or unig`
`17:41.00`	`JeffM2501`	`that's not what CAD is traditionaly used for`
`17:41.16`	`JeffM2501`	`I think at best it only does sub surface modeling`
`17:41.30`	`JeffM2501`	`pro/e can suck it`
`17:41.41`	`G-MAN`	`why do you guys need CAD anyway, it's not like your building a home or domething.`
`17:41.52`	`G-MAN`	`something*`
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`17:41.55`	`JeffM2501`	`G-MAN, umm it's our JOBs`
`17:41.57`	`brlcad`	`ugh`
`17:42.06`	`JeffM2501`	`he works at a CAD software company`
`17:42.13`	`G-MAN`	`Oh`
`17:42.13`	`JeffM2501`	`I work at a CAM software company`
`17:42.26`	`G-MAN`	`Sorry`
`17:42.27`	`JeffM2501`	`plese don't insert yourself into other people's conversations`
`17:42.37`	`brlcad`	`I think Gnurdux forked a process`
`17:42.41`	`JeffM2501`	`brlcad, so are you set up to edit maps yet?`
`17:42.51`	`JeffM2501`	`brlcad, or they are running in the same thread`
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`17:43.00`	`JeffM2501`	`notice how they timeslice ;)`
`17:43.06`	`brlcad`	`i did notice that`
`17:43.38`	`brlcad`	`burning personal karma in parallel`
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`19:20.46`	`G-MAN`	`hey guysm guess what.`
`19:20.52`	`G-MAN`	`guys*`
`19:21.50`	`brad`	`you don't have a brother?`
`19:22.19`	`G-MAN`	`huh?`
`19:22.30`	`G-MAN`	`2 bros ane sis. Why?`
`19:22.33`	`G-MAN`	`one*`
`19:22.35`	`brad`	`nvm`
`19:22.53`	`G-MAN`	`My older in college`
`19:23.33`	`G-MAN`	`Well, I'm getting my drivers permit today!!`
`19:23.51`	`brad`	`aren't you like 10?`
`19:23.59`	`G-MAN`	`Hell no.`
`19:24.06`	`G-MAN`	`I'm 15.`
`19:24.23`	`brad`	`could've fooled me`
`19:24.27`	`G-MAN`	`Who the hell told you I was 10.`
`19:24.35`	`brad`	`just a guess`
`19:25.13`	`brad`	`:)`
`19:25.38`	`G-MAN`	`Although, my grades are pretty bad, so I don't know if I will get insurance.`
`19:26.00`	`blast007`	`oh great...driving without insurance :)`
`19:26.18`	`G-MAN`	`Oh well, I will rely on the old man's money.`
`19:27.36`	`Gnurdux`	`driving without insurance is illegal, isnt it?`
`19:27.40`	`G-MAN`	`Yes.`
`19:27.50`	`Gnurdux`	`so insurance cos look at your grades?`
`19:28.00`	`G-MAN`	`Yup, they do that now.`
`19:28.01`	`[NP]Tangent`	`heh`
`19:28.05`	`[NP]Tangent`	`I've had my driver's permit`
`19:28.07`	`[NP]Tangent`	`I just never use it`
`19:28.08`	`Gnurdux`	`they didnt for my sister, who just got her license`
`19:28.12`	`[NP]Tangent`	`bike's more fun anyways`
`19:28.16`	`Gnurdux`	`G-MAN, what country are you in?`
`19:28.23`	`G-MAN`	`America. LOL`
`19:28.32`	`Gnurdux`	`same.. what insurance co?`
`19:28.35`	`[NP]Tangent`	`G-MAN, what state?`
`19:28.36`	`blast007`	`Gnurdux: some companies offer discounts for students who get good grades`
`19:28.44`	`G-MAN`	`I know.`
`19:29.06`	`blast007`	`G-MAN lives in the constant state of denial`
`19:29.07`	`Gnurdux`	`G-MAN, how bad is pretty bad?`
`19:29.13`	`G-MAN`	`But I'll use USAA, since my dad was ex-military.`
`19:29.22`	`G-MAN`	`Umm C's and B's`
`19:29.29`	`Gnurdux`	`ah, we have USAA because of my dad's dad`
`19:29.36`	`G-MAN`	`really?`
`19:29.45`	`Gnurdux`	`my dad's dad was a veteran, yep`
`19:29.53`	`G-MAN`	`Cool. WWII?`
`19:30.11`	`Gnurdux`	`i think korean`
`19:30.30`	`G-MAN`	`Ah, very hard war, but fought for a cause. :)`
`19:30.31`	`Gnurdux`	`he was a doctor`
`19:30.36`	`G-MAN`	`nice.`
`19:31.01`	`Gnurdux`	`this is OT`
`19:31.20`	`G-MAN`	`Yea, I think we should stop.`
`19:31.45`	`G-MAN`	`OWWWW!!!`
`19:31.53`	`Gnurdux`	`lol`
`19:41.20`	`Smokey\|Bear`	`oh no`
`19:42.38`	`blast007`	`...`
`19:42.50`	`Smokey\|Bear`	`... what?`
`19:43.21`	`Gnurdux`	`Smokey\|Bear, why did you say oh no?`
`19:43.42`	`L4m3r`	`Smokey, stop smoking the maeksyoodoosh`
`19:43.46`	`Smokey\|Bear`	`Because, it was all my fault. cry`
`19:43.59`	`Smokey\|Bear`	`maeksyoodoosh wtf mate?`
`19:44.15`	`L4m3r`	`maeksyoudoosh.`
`19:44.26`	`Smokey\|Bear`	`What the hell is that?`
`19:44.35`	`L4m3r`	`it's a drug, that makes you act like a douche.`
`19:44.50`	`blast007`	`heh`
`19:44.58`	`blast007`	`and here I was trying to google it`
`19:45.08`	`L4m3r`	`hahaha`
`19:45.09`	`blast007`	`then I read dit`
`19:45.11`	`blast007`	`it*`
`19:45.12`	`TD-Linux`	`cough`
`19:45.33`	`Smokey\|Bear`	`eewww a douche? I ain't no woman!!`
`19:46.04`	`L4m3r`	`lol`
`19:46.13`	`TD-Linux`	`badly`
`19:46.50`	`Smokey\|Bear`	`Yes, why don't we. There is little ears around that shouldn't know that.`
`19:47.41`	`blast007`	`soo...how's that bzflag?`
`19:51.51`	`Smokey\|Bear`	`Strange, BZFlag 2.0.6 is a little bit more than my GPU can handle.`
`19:52.06`	`brlcad`	`and your card is?`
`19:52.08`	`Smokey\|Bear`	`Stupid Gateway computers.`
`19:52.18`	`Smokey\|Bear`	`Ahhh Some generic brnad`
`19:54.23`	`blast007`	`like Dell is any better`
`19:54.39`	`Smokey\|Bear`	`Better Price. :) Im a cheapskape.`
`19:54.50`	`blast007`	`and I'd rather have a good computer`
`19:55.12`	`Smokey\|Bear`	`Im not dropping 8 grand for a voodoo pc ar alienware`
`19:55.21`	`blast007`	`neither would I`
`19:55.24`	`blast007`	`I would build my own :)`
`19:56.11`	`Smokey\|Bear`	`Is that cheaper. :) G-MAN sees more $$$ not -$$$`
`19:56.22`	`bryjen`	`those brand name boxen and their intel 'extreme' grahpics`
`19:57.02`	`blast007`	`hehe`
`19:57.11`	`DTRemenak`	`extremely lame`
`19:57.16`	`brlcad`	`more interesting to go with something like alienware or apple by far`
`19:57.31`	`blast007`	`alienware is overpriced`
`19:57.45`	`brlcad`	`not if you value your time`
`19:57.52`	`blast007`	`:)`
`19:57.55`	`bryjen`	`didn't dell buy them?`
`19:58.19`	`Smokey\|Bear`	`I maxed out all the options on one of alienware's systems: $25,000`
`19:59.07`	`blast007`	`Smokey\|Bear: I maxed out some IBM server some years back: $25,000...for the RAM ;)`
`19:59.08`	`DTRemenak`	`alienware is overpriced even if you do value your time, brlcad. there are better values on both sides. Falcon makes better machines in the same price range.`
`19:59.41`	`Smokey\|Bear`	`I love Falcon.`
`19:59.42`	`blast007`	`alienware is just so you can say "hey, I have an alienware, look at it clow"`
`19:59.44`	`blast007`	`glow*`
`20:00.02`	`Smokey\|Bear`	`how bout voodoo?`
`20:01.05`	`blast007`	`Smokey\|Bear: check out some reviews online`
`20:01.31`	`Smokey\|Bear`	`I do. I just don't trust them.`
`20:01.39`	`blast007`	`;)`
`20:01.47`	`DTRemenak`	`and instead you'd trust us?`
`20:01.48`	`blast007`	`and you trust us?`
`20:01.50`	`CBG`	`Don't mess with voodoo, really.`
`20:01.50`	`blast007`	`heh`
`20:02.07`	`DTRemenak`	`you don't even know who we are. you don't know if we have ever even seen one of the machines you're asking about.`
`20:02.10`	`Smokey\|Bear`	`Hey, CBG comes out of his hole.`
`20:02.27`	`CBG`	`That stuff is like a twisted pair of underpants.`
`20:02.43`	`CBG`	`Once you get get stuck in them, you're doomed for life.`
`20:02.46`	`Smokey\|Bear`	`I don't get it.`
`20:02.56`	`CBG`	`Do you wear underpants?`
`20:03.01`	`Smokey\|Bear`	`Boxers.`
`20:03.08`	`CBG`	`Good idea.`
`20:03.10`	`bryjen`	`too late :/`
`20:03.11`	`blast007`	`tmi`
`20:03.30`	`CBG`	`Hey, be thankful he didn't just say "no".`
`20:03.42`	`bryjen`	`~lart CBG for asking the question`
`20:03.53`	`Smokey\|Bear`	`Widie Tighties. lol`
`20:04.07`	`CBG`	`Who are you anyway, Smokey\|Bear?`
`20:04.15`	`Smokey\|Bear`	`You father!`
`20:04.25`	`CBG`	`You're me?`
`20:04.31`	`Smokey\|Bear`	`Taht's the part where you say NOOOOOOO!!!!`
`20:04.32`	`CBG`	`And I'm father?`
`20:04.37`	`bryjen`	`hmm`
`20:04.46`	`CBG`	`Ok, now I'm just lost.`
`20:04.49`	`bryjen`	`ah, it exists`
`20:04.56`	`bryjen`	`~wedgie CBG`
`20:04.57`	`ibot`	`ACTION hangs CBG from the flag pole by his underwear`
`20:05.01`	`DTRemenak`	`heh`
`20:05.02`	`Smokey\|Bear`	`lol`
`20:05.11`	`CBG`	`what underwear?`
`20:05.33`	`Smokey\|Bear`	`I was going to jock strap, but ...`
`20:05.38`	`Smokey\|Bear`	`say*`
`20:05.43`	`blast007`	`sooo...how about that bzflag?`
`20:05.50`	`CBG`	`how does one 'jock strap'?`
`20:06.07`	`Smokey\|Bear`	`I don't know ask penguin ~penguin`
`20:06.07`	`bryjen`	`blast007: didn't work last time, so trying again?`
`20:06.12`	`blast007`	`bryjen: yeah`
`20:06.23`	`blast007`	`added an 'o' on soo`
`20:06.50`	`CBG`	`get back on topic, blast007 and bryjen`
`20:06.57`	`blast007`	`:P`
`20:07.00`	`blast007`	`~lart CBG`
`20:07.03`	`CBG`	`;)`
`20:07.18`	`CBG`	`larting gets boring, you may as well decrease my karma if I annoy you. :P`
`20:07.19`	`blast007`	`it's like it knows just what to say`
`20:07.29`	`blast007`	`CBG: if anything, I'll increase it`
`20:07.34`	`blast007`	`cuz you'd hate that`
`20:07.37`	`CBG`	`noooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!`
`20:07.43`	`CBG`	`no no. I'd love it...`
`20:08.46`	`Smokey\|Bear`	`~lart me`
`20:08.51`	`Smokey\|Bear`	`lol`
`20:09.10`	`CBG`	`~wet Smokey\|Bear`
`20:09.11`	`ibot`	`ACTION tips a bucket of solid ice over Smokey\|Bear's head!`
`20:09.25`	`Smokey\|Bear`	`cold cold cold COLD!!!`
`20:09.34`	`CBG`	`Muahahahaha`
`20:09.47`	`JeffM2501`	`wtf?`
`20:09.53`	`PuMpErNiCkLe`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:10.07`	`[NP]Tangent`	`~wedgie blast007`
`20:10.09`	`ibot`	`ACTION hangs blast007 from the flag pole by his underwear`
`20:10.10`	`[NP]Tangent`	`:(`
`20:10.12`	`[NP]Tangent`	`ah`
`20:10.15`	`[NP]Tangent`	`it worked`
`20:10.18`	`[NP]Tangent`	`just slow`
`20:10.20`	`JeffM2501`	`take the bot abbse to #botpark`
`20:17.12`	`I_Died_Once`	`alright, so I "upgraded" (if you wanna call it that) to Kubuntu 6.06....`
`20:17.24`	`Smokey\|Bear`	`cool`
`20:17.33`	`Smokey\|Bear`	`How is kubuntu`
`20:17.41`	`I_Died_Once`	`with adept, I install the curses packages.....`
`20:18.03`	`I_Died_Once`	`thats libncurses5 and libncurses5-dev to be exact`
`20:18.28`	`I_Died_Once`	`I'm trying to compile the latest bzflag...`
`20:18.49`	`I_Died_Once`	`BZFlag-2.0.9.20060614 with the following:`
`20:18.49`	`I_Died_Once`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:18.49`	`I_Died_Once`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:18.49`	`I_Died_Once`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:18.49`	`I_Died_Once`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:18.49`	`I_Died_Once`	`mofo@Planet-MoFo:~/bzflag$`
`20:19.06`	`Gnurdux`	`I_Died_Once, you need the development files`
`20:19.40`	`I_Died_Once`	`I did`
`20:19.46`	`I_Died_Once`	`and the debugging ones too`
`20:20.00`	`trepan`	`I_Died_Once: check your config.log`
`20:20.05`	`I_Died_Once`	`and every other ncurses type app available, and their respective dev packages`
`20:20.27`	`I_Died_Once`	`trepan: which one & where at?`
`20:20.48`	`trepan`	`top level of bzflag`
`20:20.54`	`trepan`	`generated by ./configure`
`20:21.07`	`JeffM2501`	`it gives you exactly what failed when it could not find the lbis`
`20:21.11`	`JeffM2501`	`libs`
`20:21.19`	`I_Died_Once`	`opening now`
`20:21.45`	`I_Died_Once`	`good god`
`20:21.49`	`Smokey\|Bear`	`oh no`
`20:21.54`	`JeffM2501`	`it's going to be big`
`20:22.00`	`JeffM2501`	`you'll have to find where it did the curses check`
`20:22.00`	`I_Died_Once`	`yeah, no lie`
`20:22.15`	`JeffM2501`	`then it'll say what didn't work`
`20:22.32`	`Smokey\|Bear`	`How would set it back on pace?`
`20:23.11`	`DTRemenak`	`wtf? that's not even a sentence, dude.`
`20:23.23`	`JeffM2501`	`another +q then?`
`20:23.26`	`trepan`	`yup`
`20:23.31`	`I_Died_Once`	`BTW - y'all prolly already know, but Smokey is really G-MAN`
`20:23.39`	`DTRemenak`	`yeah, we know`
`20:23.39`	`Smokey\|Bear`	`duh`
`20:23.40`	`JeffM2501`	`yes we know`
`20:23.44`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+o trepan] by JeffM2501`
`20:23.50`	`JeffM2501`	`trepan, can you do it right for me?`
`20:23.52`	`JeffM2501`	`;)`
`20:23.58`	`orange`	`and possibly even death barrel, given the whole jockstrap conversation`
`20:24.13`	`Smokey\|Bear`	`correction underwear`
`20:24.15`	`trepan`	`heh, never issued an IRC ban`
`20:24.25`	`JeffM2501`	`ok I'll do it then`
`20:24.29`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+b !n=G-UNIT@*.ptld.qwest.net] by trepan`
`20:24.34`	`*** kick/#bzflag [Smokey\|Bear!n=trepan@unaffiliated/trepan] by trepan (trepan)`
`20:24.41`	`JeffM2501`	`well that's not a quiet, but ok ;)`
`20:24.45`	`*** mode/#bzflag [-o trepan] by JeffM2501`
`20:24.57`	`I_Died_Once`	`He was in ##planetmofo being retarded, Delusion figured him out`
`20:25.01`	`trepan`	`close enough ;)`
`20:25.01`	`DTRemenak`	`that works :P`
`20:25.04`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`20:25.12`	`JeffM2501`	`enough is enough`
`20:25.26`	`L4m3r`	`um, I_Died_Once, we all knew it, since I saw him change nicks originally`
`20:25.36`	`L4m3r`	`G-Man was taken apparently`
`20:25.39`	`DTRemenak`	`was almost ticked enough to kick him myself after having read 3 hours of backlog...`
`20:25.41`	`I_Died_Once`	`OK, I see where it doesnt like my ncurses....`
`20:25.46`	`I_Died_Once`	`configure:24692: WARNING: could not find a curses library, will build bzadmin without curses`
`20:25.58`	`JeffM2501`	`where is your curses library?`
`20:26.11`	`I_Died_Once`	`not sure`
`20:26.13`	`L4m3r`	`yeah, we've had him banned from the mofo channel since yesterday`
`20:26.21`	`I_Died_Once`	`whereever adept put 'em`
`20:26.27`	`L4m3r`	`I don't know how he got in there...`
`20:26.42`	`I_Died_Once`	`how do I find out?`
`20:26.45`	`JeffM2501`	`he'll get one more shot in #bzchat but that's about it`
`20:27.04`	`JeffM2501`	`L4m3r, I suspect he's realy another player, just playing the act.`
`20:28.51`	`I_Died_Once`	`how do I find out where my curses are so I can compile? and when i find out, how do I tell the source?`
`20:28.54`	`orange`	`death barrel has a history of doing that, and of joining a channel and saying 'jockstrap' over and over.`
`20:29.00`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`20:29.06`	`JeffM2501`	`would not suprise me`
`20:29.19`	`JeffM2501`	`tho for him I'd expect some sort of "message" about somone he dosn't like`
`20:29.21`	`DTRemenak`	`I_Died_Once: if your slocate database is up to date, do "locate libncurses.a"`
`20:29.31`	`DTRemenak`	`if it's not, do updatedb first`
`20:29.36`	`L4m3r`	`maybe someone should PM G-Man over bzbb and see if DB has a beef with him?`
`20:30.05`	`DTRemenak`	`L4m3r: I don't think anyone cares, honestly.`
`20:30.07`	`JeffM2501`	`L4m3r, don't care that much, he'll go away ;)`
`20:30.13`	`L4m3r`	`heh`
`20:30.15`	`I_Died_Once`	`/usr/lib/libncurses.a`
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`20:31.06`	`I_Died_Once`	`That seems like an obvious place for ./configure to look for curses`
`20:31.30`	`trepan`	`~pastebin config.log`
`20:32.50`	`L4m3r`	`I got bzflag to compile by putting a symlink to libcurl in the location that bzflag expected it... is that bad?`
`20:33.25`	`I_Died_Once`	`http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/65605`
`20:34.05`	`DTRemenak`	`g++: command not found`
`20:34.06`	`trepan`	`heh`
`20:34.08`	`DTRemenak`	`you have a problem`
`20:34.13`	`I_Died_Once`	`alright`
`20:34.24`	`DTRemenak`	`make sure you have a compiler installed and working :)`
`20:34.34`	`I_Died_Once`	`...`
`20:34.43`	`I_Died_Once`	`installing g++`
`20:34.46`	`trepan`	`seen that a couple of time here, /configure should dump a message`
`20:35.05`	`DTRemenak`	`yeah, it should`
`20:35.08`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah it dosn't do the compiler by default;)`
`20:35.24`	`JeffM2501`	`need libtool and all that too`
`20:35.28`	`DTRemenak`	`it just kinda assumes that if you have a c compiler, you also have a c++ compiler`
`20:35.32`	`I_Died_Once`	`got all that already`
`20:35.38`	`I_Died_Once`	`except g++`
`20:35.45`	`I_Died_Once`	`got gcc, make, autoconf`
`20:35.50`	`I_Died_Once`	`auto something else`
`20:36.07`	`I_Died_Once`	`did that one by one when doing autogen`
`20:36.41`	`JeffM2501`	`g++ should get you closer`
`20:37.14`	`I_Died_Once`	`anything else i'm missing while you guys are looking at it?`
`20:37.45`	`DTRemenak`	`can't tell for anything else, most of your tests fail because of that`
`20:38.07`	`I_Died_Once`	`runing configure again`
`20:38.57`	`trepan`	`but how many are active...`
`20:39.14`	`DTRemenak`	`many are purged spammers. ids never get reused`
`20:39.38`	`DTRemenak`	`I pulled ~2000 spam accounts when we were at ~8000 members`
`20:39.56`	`DTRemenak`	`from things like "cialis" in the www field...`
`20:40.17`	`I_Died_Once`	`BZFlag-2.0.9.20060614 with the following:`
`20:40.17`	`I_Died_Once`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:40.17`	`I_Died_Once`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:40.17`	`I_Died_Once`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:40.17`	`I_Died_Once`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:40.19`	`I_Died_Once`	`woooooot`
`20:40.27`	`DTRemenak`	`that's better, isn't it I_Died_Once :)`
`20:40.35`	`L4m3r`	`you've still got webhancer, coolsavings, and other spam crawlers around...`
`20:40.49`	`DTRemenak`	`I haven't purged them recently`
`20:41.09`	`I_Died_Once`	`unrelated quick question I forgot....`
`20:41.27`	`L4m3r`	`it makes me scared of bzbb, heh. isn't there a way to do image verification thru phpbb?`
`20:41.27`	`I_Died_Once`	`in ubuntu, how do I "activate" the root account? so I can just "su" ???`
`20:41.42`	`JeffM2501`	`why not just do sudo?`
`20:41.44`	`DTRemenak`	`I_Died_Once: why would you want to do that?`
`20:41.49`	`blast007`	`L4m3r: yeah, the newer phpBB does it`
`20:41.50`	`JeffM2501`	`it's safer`
`20:41.58`	`I_Died_Once`	`cause i hate having to type sudo on every command`
`20:42.03`	`blast007`	`sudo xterm`
`20:42.04`	`blast007`	`;)`
`20:42.13`	`I_Died_Once`	`....nice blast`
`20:43.49`	`orange`	`sudo is a nice reminder that you're about to do something dangerous :-)`
`20:44.09`	`I_Died_Once`	`fair enough`
`20:44.30`	`I_Died_Once`	`figures my prob would be an "easy" one`
`20:56.28`	`JeffM2501`	`I_Died_Once, you on the new "dapper" oen?`
`20:56.30`	`JeffM2501`	`one?`
`20:56.33`	`I_Died_Once`	`yeah`
`20:56.35`	`I_Died_Once`	`6.06`
`20:56.39`	`JeffM2501`	`what video card?`
`20:56.50`	`I_Died_Once`	`nvidea fx 5200`
`20:56.57`	`JeffM2501`	`how hard were the drivers to get in?`
`20:57.05`	`I_Died_Once`	`surprisingly easy`
`20:57.06`	`JeffM2501`	`I have to upgrade soon :)`
`20:57.08`	`JeffM2501`	`cool`
`20:57.11`	`JeffM2501`	`they were in apt?`
`20:57.26`	`I_Died_Once`	`installed the driver from adept, edited xorg.conf, and it worked on the first try`
`20:57.32`	`JeffM2501`	`cool`
`20:57.36`	`I_Died_Once`	`highly surprised`
`20:57.38`	`JeffM2501`	`so synaptic shoudl find them easy`
`20:57.47`	`I_Died_Once`	`took forever to get it straight on the last one`
`20:57.53`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`20:58.02`	`JeffM2501`	`I still don't have good drivers under brezzy`
`20:58.17`	`I_Died_Once`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:58.20`	`trepan`	`had to use -x-modules-path for nv install with xorg7.0`
`20:58.39`	`JeffM2501`	`xgl uses openGL for X right?`
`20:58.51`	`I_Died_Once`	`good question`
`20:59.00`	`I_Died_Once`	`he said its supposed to run better`
`20:59.24`	`I_Died_Once`	`i wonder if i need to edit anything, run a command, or what`
`20:59.33`	`JeffM2501`	`kill a chicken`
`21:00.14`	`I_Died_Once`	`or choke one`
`21:00.33`	`JeffM2501`	`no that does something difrent, and you do on your own time.`
`21:02.12`	`I_Died_Once`	`the ugliest thing about kubuntu is the GRUB is installs`
`21:02.24`	`I_Died_Once`	`ugly, blocky boot loader`
`21:02.25`	`JeffM2501`	`not like you see that often`
`21:02.38`	`I_Died_Once`	`well, i still have this set up for dual boot, believe it or not`
`21:02.45`	`JeffM2501`	`still`
`21:02.48`	`JeffM2501`	`grub works`
`21:02.53`	`JeffM2501`	`you see it once on boot and your done`
`21:03.10`	`JeffM2501`	`oh, you did linux first`
`21:03.10`	`I_Died_Once`	`my neice likes to use windows`
`21:03.24`	`JeffM2501`	`it's a lot easyer if you do windows first`
`21:03.29`	`I_Died_Once`	`and i keep win32 around for testing and referance sake`
`21:03.52`	`JeffM2501`	`windows will blow out grub`
`21:04.07`	`I_Died_Once`	`i know this alllll toooo well`
`21:04.34`	`I_Died_Once`	`i like the grub that suse 10.1 puts out`
`21:04.50`	`JeffM2501`	`probably same grub, just difrent options`
`21:04.58`	`I_Died_Once`	`thats about the only thing on suse 10.1 worth its hard drive space`
`21:05.20`	`I_Died_Once`	`to hell with the "opensuse" ordeal`
`21:05.30`	`I_Died_Once`	`yast sources constantly crapping out`
`21:05.59`	`trepan`	`I_Died_Once: splashimage=(hd0,0)/grub/splash.xpm.gz`
`21:06.14`	`JeffM2501`	`same grub, difrent settings ;)`
`21:06.19`	`trepan`	`from /boot/grub/menu.lst`
`21:08.51`	`trepan`	`JeffM2501: not that i'd bother setting it up myself ;)`
`21:08.59`	`JeffM2501`	`true`
`21:09.14`	`JeffM2501`	`it's not likes it's a high use menu`
`21:09.20`	`JeffM2501`	`less so for you`
`21:09.45`	`trepan`	`no dualing at dark`
`21:10.18`	`JeffM2501`	`I would think that you woudl just bust out a virutal machine if you needed another OS`
`21:11.25`	`trepan`	`been tempted to try the bsd's/hurd lately`
`21:12.11`	`Gnurdux`	`HURD? you kidding me?`
`21:12.54`	`JeffM2501`	`isn't that a micorkernel thingy?`
`21:13.40`	`trepan`	`yup`
`21:14.30`	`Gnurdux`	`a sloooww one`
`21:14.36`	`Gnurdux`	`like 1/2 the speed of linux`
`21:14.44`	`JeffM2501`	`I think it depends on what it's doing`
`21:14.49`	`Gnurdux`	`whereas freebsd is comperable or faster than linux'`
`21:15.03`	`JeffM2501`	`I've read the micorkernels arn't good at stuff with lots of processes`
`21:15.06`	`JeffM2501`	`like apache`
`21:15.07`	`Gnurdux`	`JeffM2501, hurd is always slow.. for some of the other microkernels they can be better at certain things`
`21:15.25`	`JeffM2501`	`forgive me if I don't trust your opinion Gnurdux`
`21:15.34`	`Gnurdux`	`JeffM2501, look it up`
`21:15.40`	`JeffM2501`	`don't care that much`
`21:15.41`	`Gnurdux`	`ill give you a link`
`21:15.44`	`[NP]Tangent`	`does anyone have a spare bzfs.conf laying around?`
`21:15.51`	`[NP]Tangent`	`I can't find a copy on my computer ANYWHERE`
`21:15.58`	`JeffM2501`	`there is one in the source distro`
`21:16.01`	`JeffM2501`	`under misc`
`21:16.04`	`CBG`	`[NP]Tangent: there are example/sample confs on sf.net`
`21:16.05`	`[NP]Tangent`	`ah`
`21:16.08`	`[NP]Tangent`	`under misc`
`21:16.21`	`CBG`	`there is also a conf-maker thing in the source too`
`21:16.24`	`[NP]Tangent`	`I was under the impression it was under data`
`21:16.25`	`JeffM2501`	`that there is`
`21:16.34`	`JeffM2501`	`no, the server dosn't need the data dir at all`
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`21:16.51`	`CBG`	`data is just the images and sound for the client, iirc`
`21:16.57`	`[NP]Tangent`	`yeah`
`21:16.59`	`JeffM2501`	`yes`
`21:17.49`	`CBG`	`misc is where all the fun stuff is at, unless you're cheating, in which case /src/bzflag/ is far more interesting :P`
`21:18.24`	`trepan`	`http://bzflag.cvs.sourceforge.net/checkout/bzflag/bzflag/misc/bzfs_conf.html?revision=2.3`
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`21:19.14`	`[NP]Tangent`	`alright`
`21:19.17`	`[NP]Tangent`	`now after I configure this`
`21:19.20`	`[NP]Tangent`	`I need to make a map`
`21:19.28`	`[NP]Tangent`	`and since I suck at editors`
`21:19.33`	`[NP]Tangent`	`I guess I'll just hand-code it`
`21:19.45`	`JeffM2501`	`learn blender`
`21:20.33`	`trepan`	`reminds me, should update that for my recent flag changes, and the client's bzfs startup thang`
`21:20.46`	`PuMpErNiCkLe`	`How good is blender support for bzflag map features?`
`21:20.58`	`JeffM2501`	`the blender plugin should add it all`
`21:21.36`	`PuMpErNiCkLe`	`Even textures, meshes, animated features...?`
`21:21.59`	`JeffM2501`	`textures and meshes yes`
`21:22.07`	`JeffM2501`	`animated stuff, I don't know`
`21:22.18`	`Gnurdux`	`JeffM2501: http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/users-guide/using_gnuhurd.html -- Finally, GNU Mach is a very slow microkernel, and contributes to the overall slowness of GNU/Hurd systems.`
`21:22.20`	`PuMpErNiCkLe`	`Fair 'nuff.`
`21:22.27`	`JeffM2501`	`IIRC it has editors that let you put in the text for materals and stuff`
`21:22.36`	`JeffM2501`	`Gnurdux, what part of "i don't care" did you not read?`
`21:24.01`	`JeffM2501`	`from what I understand the blender plugin adds bzflag specific menus to blender, to add the bzflag features, like teleporters.`
`21:24.41`	`PuMpErNiCkLe`	`sweet`
`21:24.42`	`Gnurdux`	`they are in the script menu thing`
`21:24.47`	`Gnurdux`	`they arent like in the top`
`21:24.57`	`Gnurdux`	`PuMpErNiCkLe, why don't you look at the docs?`
`21:25.21`	`Gnurdux`	`JeffM2501, that sounds like you haven't USED it`
`21:25.23`	`JeffM2501`	`he's a smart person, he'll figure it out`
`21:25.29`	`JeffM2501`	`Gnurdux, not since it's been completed`
`21:25.33`	`JeffM2501`	`I don't make maps anymore`
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`21:25.48`	`Gnurdux`	`then how have you been pushing it and saying its the future of map design and stuff?`
`21:25.51`	`JeffM2501`	`I talked to the author a lot about it`
`21:25.55`	`JeffM2501`	`because it is`
`21:26.05`	`JeffM2501`	`it's the best way for us to go forwared`
`21:26.12`	`JeffM2501`	`and leverage the work of other OSS projects`
`21:26.17`	`JeffM2501`	`I want more people to use it`
`21:26.23`	`JeffM2501`	`to find it's flaws and weaknesses`
`21:26.33`	`JeffM2501`	`and get it put as part of the mainline project`
`21:27.07`	`JeffM2501`	`and I don't want to write another editor :)`
`21:27.21`	`bryjen`	`and no one else here (JeffM esp) has shown interest in writing a mesh editor`
`21:27.29`	`bryjen`	`whoops, a bit slow`
`21:27.31`	`JeffM2501`	`why reinvent the wheel ;)`
`21:27.58`	`trepan`	`... but not for bz :)`
`21:28.07`	`Gnurdux`	`is there one for wings3d?`
`21:28.20`	`trepan`	`wings3d just has an exporter`
`21:28.24`	`trepan`	`(for bzw)`
`21:28.49`	`trepan`	`no importer -- but bzflag clients can export to OBJ/MTL`
`21:29.14`	`bryjen`	`s/mesh editor/mesh-capable bzw editor/`
`21:29.18`	`bryjen`	`trepan: :P`
`21:29.22`	`JeffM2501`	`I did a UV maper onece ;)`
`21:29.25`	`JeffM2501`	`in MFC`
`21:29.28`	`JeffM2501`	`for a class`
`21:29.39`	`JeffM2501`	`everyone else wrote a new notepad`
`21:29.45`	`JeffM2501`	`they got mad at me.`
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`21:30.09`	`JeffM2501`	`I didn't get the impresion that wings3d was sutable for a world editing system like blender is.`
`21:30.09`	`trepan`	`JeffM2501: LSCM?`
`21:30.18`	`JeffM2501`	`LSCM?`
`21:30.24`	`[NP]Tangent`	`editors are for the weak`
`21:30.25`	`purple_cow`	`LSCM!`
`21:30.31`	`[NP]Tangent`	`real pros do everything by hand`
`21:30.32`	`[NP]Tangent`	`:D`
`21:30.43`	`trepan`	`JeffM2501: wings3d is just fine for editing`
`21:30.57`	`JeffM2501`	`can you add custom objects`
`21:31.02`	`JeffM2501`	`like the teleporter?`
`21:31.03`	`trepan`	`my version has support for drivethru/shoot/etc...`
`21:31.12`	`trepan`	`you could if you wanted to write it`
`21:31.14`	`[NP]Tangent`	`but just in case I get bored`
`21:31.19`	`[NP]Tangent`	`I have blender and wings3d on here too`
`21:31.30`	`JeffM2501`	`trepan, ahh cool, didn't know it coudl do that`
`21:31.40`	`JeffM2501`	`it used a wierd language for plugins didn't it?`
`21:31.50`	`trepan`	`JeffM2501: a guy is recently taking a rigging as a plugin`
`21:31.52`	`JeffM2501`	`or at least not a thing as common as plugin`
`21:31.57`	`JeffM2501`	`cool`
`21:32.05`	`JeffM2501`	`I've been playing with Max`
`21:32.09`	`trepan`	`and their whole yafray materials system is a plugin that adds menus and whatnot`
`21:32.09`	`JeffM2501`	`man is that one crap interface`
`21:32.47`	`trepan`	`yup, wings3d is in erlang (which i personally dislike)`
`21:33.08`	`trepan`	`and it's limited in polycount because it uses a scripted language`
`21:33.50`	`JeffM2501`	`I would have done up an editor in our product if we actualy suported stuff like textures and materals ;)`
`21:33.52`	`trepan`	`great interface though, and works well enough up to about 25k active polys`
`21:36.42`	`JeffM2501`	`ahh LSCM is blenders UV thingy`
`21:38.19`	`trepan`	`JeffM2501: wings3d's too`
`21:38.30`	`trepan`	`rather standard i'd imagine`
`21:56.04`	`JeffM2501`	`ahh`
`21:56.17`	`JeffM2501`	`well I was doing quake 2 models, so it was a "bit" of a time ago ;)`
`21:56.39`	`JeffM2501`	`just didn't want to do yet another wordpad implementation for class`
`21:57.24`	`JeffM2501`	`the interface in max would KILL your hands`
`21:57.33`	`JeffM2501`	`dialgo boxes with scroll bars just to see all the items :(`
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`22:05.24`	`sussi`	`heard i UV? i want the team-logo on my tank!`
`22:06.02`	`JeffM2501`	`code it up`
`22:07.12`	`PuMpErNiCkLe`	`mmm... run-time dynamic textures...`
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`22:37.18`	`sussi`	`Jeff: in my next life`
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`22:51.15`	`mg`	`Hi, how to turn off hud ?`
`22:52.30`	`CBG`	`Uh, you mean the radar? Or the chat box?`
`22:53.19`	`trepan`	`in newer clients, there's also: /localset noGUI 1`
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`22:58.16`	`CBG`	`I like how "Win XP" has heard "delete your config" as the solution to a couple of problems on the bzbb and is now telling everyone to do that even if they have a totally new crazy bug that none of the devs have seen before. :\|`
`22:59.16`	`Matt123`	`lol`
`22:59.28`	`I_Died_Once`	`bless his heart`
`23:00.00`	`CBG`	`s/bless/drain/`
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`23:02.31`	`mg`	`CBG, I mean: stuff that is displayed on screen`
`23:02.56`	`TheRedBaron`	`trepan: does that move things to full screen radar?`
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`23:03.10`	`mg`	`HUD = "on screen display" or something`
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`23:03.43`	`mg`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head-Up_Display`
`23:06.48`	`trepan`	`TheRedBaron: no ;)`
`23:07.21`	`L4m3r`	`does it just run a console-only client?`
`23:07.39`	`TheRedBaron`	`darn!`
`23:08.01`	`TheRedBaron`	`trepan: just imagine, playing babel's with a full screen radar :)`
`23:08.17`	`trepan`	`it removes the mouse box, and the topline mesgs (good for screenies)`
`23:08.23`	`TheRedBaron`	`on a 19" monitor`
`23:08.57`	`trepan`	`TheRedBaron: i don't need to imagine it, i could code it in no time... just not interested at the moment`
`23:09.43`	`TheRedBaron`	`I'm stuck imagining`
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`23:12.15`	`trepan`	`TheRedBaron: what's your gfx card?`
`23:12.26`	`TheRedBaron`	`geforce 5700`
`23:13.06`	`TheRedBaron`	`I'm unable to fully tap the potential of the card, due to an outdated motherboard`
`23:18.39`	`JeffM2501`	`just AGP speed?`
`23:19.34`	`trepan`	`depends on a number of things, how much can be stored on the card's memory, etc... you can tax a card without grinding the bus`
`23:20.09`	`TheRedBaron`	`128mb of memory`
`23:20.13`	`TheRedBaron`	`its my ram thats slow`
`23:20.19`	`TheRedBaron`	`motherboard Ram`
`23:20.21`	`mg`	`Any tips about turning off HUD ?`
`23:20.53`	`JeffM2501`	`TheRedBaron, what speed is your ram and what CPU?`
`23:22.19`	`TheRedBaron`	`cpu 1300mhz`
`23:22.29`	`JeffM2501`	`what kind of CPU?`
`23:22.32`	`TheRedBaron`	`athlon`
`23:22.37`	`JeffM2501`	`an XP?`
`23:22.40`	`TheRedBaron`	`no`
`23:22.50`	`JeffM2501`	`ok, and how fast is your ram?`
`23:23.18`	`JeffM2501`	`PC 2100?`
`23:24.06`	`JeffM2501`	`or probably a non ddr mobo since that may not do DDR, so PC 133`
`23:25.10`	`TheRedBaron`	`pc 133`
`23:25.13`	`TheRedBaron`	`i believe`
`23:25.27`	`TheRedBaron`	`I'm trying to go off memory and look it up`
`23:25.31`	`TheRedBaron`	`i'm not at my home computer`
`23:25.55`	`JeffM2501`	`so that's the right speed for that cpu`
`23:25.58`	`JeffM2501`	`your ram is fine`
`23:26.15`	`TD-Linux`	`mg: maybe try pushing S to turn off the score, that might help`
`23:26.44`	`TD-Linux`	`mg: Q and W turn off the radar and console, respectively`
`23:27.04`	`TheRedBaron`	`JeffM2501: I'm happy now with my computer, but i recognize that my setup can't take full advantage of my video card`
`23:27.10`	`TheRedBaron`	`which to me, is important, because i'm a computer gamer`
`23:27.39`	`JeffM2501`	`TheRedBaron, actualy your probably fine, unless you get into realy geometric or texture intensive games`
`23:27.44`	`TD-Linux`	`your video card actually fits in pretty well`
`23:27.48`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`23:27.57`	`JeffM2501`	`the card runs at it's own speed using it's own ram`
`23:28.02`	`JeffM2501`	`so anything sent to the card is fine`
`23:28.11`	`JeffM2501`	`you'd have a problem when you have a lot to send to the card`
`23:28.16`	`TheRedBaron`	`correct`
`23:28.17`	`TD-Linux`	`PC133 is the fastest non-DDR there is, I think`
`23:28.18`	`JeffM2501`	`then faster ram/AGP will help you`
`23:28.22`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`23:28.39`	`TheRedBaron`	`but my motherboard is outdated, and won't support that ram`
`23:28.41`	`TD-Linux`	`if you ever want to upgrade anything, upgrade everything`
`23:28.44`	`TheRedBaron`	`I believe`
`23:28.48`	`JeffM2501`	`TheRedBaron, your CPU won't`
`23:28.51`	`JeffM2501`	`that's the problem`
`23:29.01`	`JeffM2501`	`you just need a faster total system to get anymore`
`23:29.03`	`JeffM2501`	`so your fine`
`23:29.04`	`TheRedBaron`	`TD-Linux: i do it in steps, its easier finacially`
`23:29.10`	`TD-Linux`	`if you wanted better ram, you would need a new CPU, new RAM, and a new mobo`
`23:29.15`	`JeffM2501`	`what you can't afford 200$?`
`23:29.26`	`TheRedBaron`	`for a complete new motherboard and ram?`
`23:29.30`	`JeffM2501`	`and CPU`
`23:29.32`	`JeffM2501`	`sure`
`23:29.37`	`TheRedBaron`	`JeffM2501: i'm listening`
`23:29.51`	`JeffM2501`	`that woudl get you a AMG 64 3000+ and a gig of DDR`
`23:29.53`	`JeffM2501`	`easy`
`23:30.01`	`TD-Linux`	`the mobo too?`
`23:30.06`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`23:30.13`	`TD-Linux`	`you sure, a gig? that kind of pushes it I think`
`23:30.17`	`JeffM2501`	`naw`
`23:30.24`	`JeffM2501`	`I buy them all the time`
`23:30.35`	`TD-Linux`	`when I bought my computer it cost $200 just for a gig of memory`
`23:30.36`	`JeffM2501`	`2 512's are going for about 80$ now`
`23:30.47`	`JeffM2501`	`PC3200`
`23:30.49`	`TD-Linux`	`(in two 512's)`
`23:30.59`	`TD-Linux`	`well.. mine takes DDR2, that could be why`
`23:31.01`	`JeffM2501`	`everyone is dumping there 754 based systems`
`23:31.07`	`JeffM2501`	`DDR2 is a little more`
`23:31.14`	`JeffM2501`	`and just now coming mainstream`
`23:31.21`	`JeffM2501`	`TheRedBaron, where do you live?`
`23:31.25`	`TheRedBaron`	`florida`
`23:31.40`	`JeffM2501`	`should be able to find a good deal on the net`
`23:31.42`	`TD-Linux`	`pretty soon, people will begin dumping their 939-based systems too...`
`23:31.42`	`TheRedBaron`	`JeffM2501: i was just window shopping at 754 units a few months ago`
`23:31.51`	`TheRedBaron`	`on asus`
`23:31.58`	`JeffM2501`	`TheRedBaron, then you were shoping for old systems`
`23:32.04`	`JeffM2501`	`939 is on it's way out`
`23:32.05`	`TheRedBaron`	`I know`
`23:32.16`	`JeffM2501`	`check outpost.com and newegg`
`23:32.36`	`TheRedBaron`	`JeffM2501: if you think thats outdated, what tell I finally figure out what old motherboard i'm using now`
`23:32.39`	`JeffM2501`	`I know fry's is still dumping the 3000+s`
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`23:32.52`	`JeffM2501`	`TheRedBaron, if your on an old tbird class machine your old`
`23:32.59`	`JeffM2501`	`there is nothing to get new to upgrade that TO`
`23:33.09`	`JeffM2501`	`socket A mobos are hard to find now`
`23:33.17`	`JeffM2501`	`since there are no more socket A CPUs`
`23:33.24`	`JeffM2501`	`so your only option is to get it all`
`23:33.39`	`JeffM2501`	`even if you got a new 754 mobo and CPU, it won't take your ram`
`23:33.51`	`JeffM2501`	`and it's so cheap now, why even bother`
`23:33.55`	`TheRedBaron`	`i know, I was looking to get cpu, motherboard, and RAM at once`
`23:34.01`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah it's cheap`
`23:34.04`	`TheRedBaron`	`I upgrade the video card first`
`23:34.09`	`JeffM2501`	`you'll probalby need a biger powersupply first`
`23:34.20`	`TheRedBaron`	`300watt isn't big enough?`
`23:34.24`	`JeffM2501`	`but you can get 600's for 40$`
`23:34.27`	`JeffM2501`	`oh god no`
`23:34.35`	`TheRedBaron`	`lol`
`23:34.38`	`JeffM2501`	`you need at least a 400`
`23:35.29`	`TheRedBaron`	`the new pci express looks interesting`
`23:35.43`	`JeffM2501`	`it's not that new`
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`23:35.50`	`JeffM2501`	`AGP is dead`
`23:36.01`	`TD-Linux`	`long dead by now`
`23:36.19`	`TheRedBaron`	`well, IIRC first it was PCI, then AGP`
`23:36.22`	`TheRedBaron`	`now PCI passing it again`
`23:36.33`	`TheRedBaron`	`or is my info skewed?`
`23:36.36`	`JeffM2501`	`PCI-E != PCI`
`23:36.38`	`TD-Linux`	`my 380W cooks.... you need at least 420W, and they have nice big fans too.`
`23:37.37`	`TD-Linux`	`PCI-E has a slight resemblence of PCI, if you take off your glasses and squint.`
`23:38.09`	`TheRedBaron`	`I haven't seen any PCI-E cards`
`23:38.11`	`TheRedBaron`	`yet`
`23:38.17`	`TheRedBaron`	`because I haven't looked...`
`23:38.18`	`TheRedBaron`	`duh`
`23:38.36`	`JeffM2501`	`most video cards these days are PCI-E`
`23:38.42`	`JeffM2501`	`it's geting harder to find AGP mobos`
`23:39.02`	`JeffM2501`	`the current mobo chipsets don't even support AGP, and have to have AGP bridge chips on them`
`23:39.16`	`TD-Linux`	`I don't think the current series of ATI or nVidia has any AGP cards anymore.`
`23:39.46`	`TD-Linux`	`nVidia has one I think, but it's terribly expensive. you would have to get an old card for agp.`
`23:39.49`	`JeffM2501`	`nvidia does`
`23:39.57`	`JeffM2501`	`the 6200,etc`
`23:40.11`	`TD-Linux`	`nvidia's current series is the 7-line`
`23:40.24`	`JeffM2501`	`that is the top end line, not the ONLY line;)`
`23:40.29`	`JeffM2501`	`they still make 6200's`
`23:40.35`	`JeffM2501`	`there are also AGP 7300 IIRC`
`23:40.46`	`TD-Linux`	`the 7300/7400 look good`
`23:41.02`	`JeffM2501`	`they are the new crap cards`
`23:41.08`	`TheRedBaron`	`my wallet doesn't appreciate the prices of those`
`23:41.47`	`JeffM2501`	`62's are like 70$`
`23:41.54`	`JeffM2501`	`the 73's are around 100`
`23:41.55`	`JeffM2501`	`IIRC`
`23:41.56`	`JeffM2501`	`nothin`
`23:41.59`	`TheRedBaron`	`...`
`23:42.17`	`JeffM2501`	`7950.. that's a card`
`23:42.58`	`TheRedBaron`	`i was just looking at it`
`23:43.10`	`TheRedBaron`	`$579 you're insane`
`23:43.23`	`JeffM2501`	`you'll be able to get a 3000 system for under 200`
`23:43.23`	`TheRedBaron`	`look at the cooling!`
`23:43.24`	`JeffM2501`	`easy`
`23:43.26`	`TheRedBaron`	`it takes up 2 slots`
`23:43.40`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`23:43.41`	`TheRedBaron`	`no vga`
`23:43.48`	`JeffM2501`	`PCI-E's are sperated by space`
`23:43.57`	`TheRedBaron`	`yes, some of us still use VGA`
`23:44.11`	`JeffM2501`	`no you don't`
`23:44.17`	`PuMpErNiCkLe`	`There are dvi-vga adapters with a lot of cards.`
`23:44.23`	`JeffM2501`	`they come with one`
`23:44.26`	`JeffM2501`	`every card does`
`23:44.38`	`JeffM2501`	`you are VERY much out of the loop ;)`
`23:45.25`	`TheRedBaron`	`i told you my computer was old :)`
`23:45.36`	`JeffM2501`	`mostly I mean your understanding ;)`
`23:45.43`	`JeffM2501`	`this is all nearly 2 year old tech ;)`
`23:45.52`	`TheRedBaron`	`thats because I work with 2 year old tech :)`
`23:45.58`	`TheRedBaron`	`and older`
`23:46.12`	`TheRedBaron`	`I'm bummed, because my 8 year old laptop just died :)`
`23:46.23`	`TheRedBaron`	`233mhz 64mb ram, 4 gig drive`
`23:46.37`	`JeffM2501`	`then you don't need a 600$ video card`
`23:46.40`	`JeffM2501`	`spend 200 and be done`
`23:46.58`	`TheRedBaron`	`believe me, i'd have to be insane to spend 600$ for a graphic card`
`23:47.08`	`JeffM2501`	`or just play newer games ;)`
`23:47.19`	`TheRedBaron`	`hey now, dont' get me started`
`23:47.23`	`JeffM2501`	`I'm looking at spending 300 on another one`
`23:47.26`	`JeffM2501`	`so I can do SLI again`
`23:47.35`	`TheRedBaron`	`I'm bummed at missing out on Half life 2, and FEAR`
`23:48.00`	`JeffM2501`	`5700 will not realy cut it`
`23:48.57`	`JeffM2501`	`you'll want at least a 6800 for that`
`23:49.19`	`TheRedBaron`	`DTRemenak: my 5700 replaced my Geforce 2 gts, In january`
`23:49.23`	`JeffM2501`	`I GAVE you a oxygen card, and offered you some 6600's ;)`
`23:49.28`	`PuMpErNiCkLe`	`6600GT ftw`
`23:49.32`	`TheRedBaron`	`it was my birthday gift to myself`
`23:49.37`	`DTRemenak`	`the oxygen is far slower than the GF4`
`23:49.46`	`DTRemenak`	`and 6600's mean new mobo :)`
`23:49.47`	`JeffM2501`	`but but but it's an OXYGEN :)`
`23:49.56`	`JeffM2501`	`remember when that was "cool" ;)`
`23:50.03`	`DTRemenak`	`yeah, I do actually :)`
`23:50.21`	`DTRemenak`	`I've got an ad here somewhere for an oxygen for $1599, I think`
`23:50.21`	`TheRedBaron`	`I remember when the vodoo was cool.`
`23:50.31`	`JeffM2501`	`the voodoo was never cool ;)`
`23:50.46`	`TheRedBaron`	`oh yes it was`
`23:50.49`	`TheRedBaron`	`for me :)`
`23:50.52`	`JeffM2501`	`it did 3d only`
`23:50.59`	`JeffM2501`	`all about the TNT baby:)`
`23:51.03`	`JeffM2501`	`real ICDs`
`23:51.08`	`JeffM2501`	`not that mini driver crap`
`23:51.12`	`TheRedBaron`	`haha`
`23:51.54`	`blast007`	`voodoo had 2D cards too`
`23:51.58`	`blast007`	`the banshee's`
`23:52.06`	`JeffM2501`	`oh god`
`23:52.14`	`JeffM2501`	`those things sucked and sucked HARD`
`23:52.19`	`blast007`	`I never had one`
`23:52.27`	`JeffM2501`	`they were horible`
`23:52.34`	`JeffM2501`	`they came out AFTER the TNTs`
`23:52.37`	`JeffM2501`	`they were a joke`
`23:52.39`	`blast007`	`I was gonna buy one once...then I waited so long that they went bankrupt :)`
`23:52.54`	`blast007`	`well, not bankrupt cuz of me..`
`23:53.11`	`JeffM2501`	`they were sold actualy`
`23:53.13`	`JeffM2501`	`to nvidia`
`23:53.18`	`blast007`	`yeah, or that`
`23:53.22`	`JeffM2501`	`after the voodoo 6 fiasco`
`23:54.18`	`TheRedBaron`	`hrm single core or duel core - that is a question`
`23:54.23`	`PuMpErNiCkLe`	`dual`
`23:54.28`	`JeffM2501`	`how much can you spend?`
`23:54.43`	`DTRemenak`	`and what do you use your system for`
`23:54.54`	`blast007`	`I'm probably gonna start with a 3000+, just to get started with a 939 system`
`23:55.04`	`DTRemenak`	`dual core is still relatively unuseful for a lot of people`
`23:55.08`	`JeffM2501`	`I don't think they make 939 3000s`
`23:55.13`	`DTRemenak`	`they do`
`23:55.20`	`JeffM2501`	`the 3500's are going to sink`
`23:55.29`	`JeffM2501`	`the dual cores are going down to 130 a pop`
`23:55.33`	`JeffM2501`	`wait about a week`
`23:55.43`	`JeffM2501`	`AMD is matching intel's price war`
`23:56.28`	`JeffM2501`	`you can get an 805d and mobo for like 130`
`23:56.29`	`blast007`	`that's my problem though...I wait until things don't exist anymore`
`23:56.33`	`JeffM2501`	`so the 3800 should come down to that`
`23:56.39`	`blast007`	`wow`
`23:56.45`	`JeffM2501`	`naw realy it's announced will just hit next week`
`23:56.47`	`JeffM2501`	`check fry's`
`23:56.57`	`TheRedBaron`	`fry's?`
`23:57.12`	`JeffM2501`	`it's a store`
`23:57.34`	`DTRemenak`	`fry's ftw`
`23:58.22`	`blast007`	`3800 X2 is $319`
`23:58.33`	`JeffM2501`	`now sure :)`
`23:58.34`	`TheRedBaron`	`not a website then eh?`
`23:58.38`	`JeffM2501`	`no`
`23:58.46`	`JeffM2501`	`they sell via outpost.com`
`23:58.48`	`blast007`	`outpost.com`
`23:58.52`	`blast007`	`bah, too slow`
`23:58.53`	`JeffM2501`	`but if your gonna do that hit up newegg`
`23:59.00`	`JeffM2501`	`they will be cheaper when they hit`

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