| 00:02.31 | TheRedBaron | yea, I was just looking at newegg |
| 00:06.07 | JeffM2501 | last weekend I built a 2.8 gig celly complete system for my friends parents for 300$ |
| 00:06.19 | JeffM2501 | 512 megs of ram, new case, and a 300 gig drive |
| 00:06.49 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: you could put dell out of business? |
| 00:07.12 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 00:07.22 | JeffM2501 | dell sells those systems with a display fore 350$ |
| 00:07.43 | TheRedBaron | ok |
| 00:07.46 | JeffM2501 | it's just what the stuff costs now |
| 00:07.48 | JeffM2501 | aka nothin |
| 00:07.56 | TheRedBaron | time for me to get out of my cave, and actually look outside |
| 00:08.25 | JeffM2501 | there is no reason for the average adult to not have a decent system |
| 00:08.40 | JeffM2501 | and keep it upgraded every 2 years |
| 00:08.56 | JeffM2501 | there he is |
| 00:09.00 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: i'm not a big spender, more of a tightwad |
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| 00:09.11 | JeffM2501 | you spend more in gas in a moth |
| 00:09.38 | TheRedBaron | well, there is a difference between necessity, and leisure :) |
| 00:09.50 | JeffM2501 | what kinda car you drive? ;) |
| 00:11.18 | TheRedBaron | volkswagen |
| 00:11.25 | JeffM2501 | I'm just saying it's within reasonable 2 year purchace prices |
| 00:11.27 | TheRedBaron | Beetle 1970 |
| 00:11.35 | JeffM2501 | milage must suck on that thing |
| 00:11.42 | TheRedBaron | about 25mpg |
| 00:11.50 | TheRedBaron | considering I built the engine myself |
| 00:11.52 | JeffM2501 | my truck does better then that |
| 00:12.07 | TheRedBaron | well, previous vehicle was getting 13mpg |
| 00:12.26 | TheRedBaron | you understand why I couldn't afford a computer now? :) |
| 00:12.38 | JeffM2501 | you must be on welfare ;) |
| 00:12.56 | JeffM2501 | I think you can get up and good for around 300 |
| 00:12.59 | TheRedBaron | I wish |
| 00:13.08 | JeffM2501 | you just have to see if that's worth it to you |
| 00:13.21 | JeffM2501 | it's not the 600-800 it used to be |
| 00:13.50 | TheRedBaron | i'll start shopping agian |
| 00:14.06 | TheRedBaron | but work is over, I"m going home |
| 00:14.19 | TheRedBaron | night all |
| 00:14.21 | JeffM2501 | I'm typing to you on a system that I got the mobo and CPU for 99, the case and PS for 70, and the ram for 80 |
| 00:14.49 | TheRedBaron | sickening :( |
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| 00:15.22 | JeffM2501 | it's just not that costly anymore |
| 00:15.52 | JeffM2501 | and the semperon was geting a little slow and would not run win64 |
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| 00:25.01 | JeffM2501 | the cheapness of hardware is also why I think it's a crime for anyone to have crap video ;) |
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| 00:48.34 | blast007 | JeffM2501: you're making my laptop cry ;) |
| 00:49.03 | JeffM2501 | evolve or die ;) |
| 00:49.22 | blast007 | bah, I couldn't have put one with a radeon on my card...it was like $100 over the limit |
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| 01:06.44 | I_Died_Once | o:~$ bzflag |
| 01:06.44 | I_Died_Once | Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 01:06.44 | I_Died_Once | Could not set Video Mode: Couldn't find matching GLX visual. |
| 01:06.44 | I_Died_Once | Error creating window - Exiting |
| 01:06.50 | I_Died_Once | what y'all suggest? |
| 01:07.10 | Gnurdux | sounds like your video card aint configured correctly |
| 01:10.15 | Mr_Molez | add glx option to xorg config ? |
| 01:10.16 | DTRemenak | install drivers that support opengl |
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| 01:41.19 | I_Died_Once | ...could I talk someone into sharing their xorg.conf file with me so I can see what I screwed up? |
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| 01:49.40 | Mr_Molez | I_Died_Once: what gfx drivers u got ? |
| 01:50.10 | I_Died_Once | nvidia legacy |
| 01:50.33 | PuMpErNiCkLe | I_Died_Once: sure, hang on a sec |
| 01:50.35 | I_Died_Once | i was playing with xgl and compix earlier |
| 01:51.02 | I_Died_Once | going back to what i had before and i over-wrote my xorg file |
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| 01:51.12 | I_Died_Once | by mistake, somehow along the way |
| 01:52.01 | PuMpErNiCkLe | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15736 |
| 01:53.16 | I_Died_Once | keep that paste handy pumper.... brb |
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| 01:56.35 | PuMpErNiCkLe | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15736 |
| 01:58.28 | Matt123 | PuMpErNiCkLe, i think he might have got it figured out |
| 01:59.04 | PuMpErNiCkLe | yeah, I'm in that channel too ^_^ |
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| 03:40.38 | trepan | fullscreen radar (as a simple overlay), makes me wanna puke |
| 03:43.48 | JeffM2501 | cus it's combat for the atari 2600 |
| 03:44.00 | orange | yay combat! |
| 03:46.57 | PuMpErNiCkLe | Unless it's togglable... that would be pretty cool. |
| 03:47.31 | trepan | it is... but need to move the viewport into a subwindow |
| 03:48.41 | PuMpErNiCkLe | I was thinking more of a translucent overlay. How big would the subwindow be? |
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| 04:24.17 | gsnedders | what a freckin' lame team. |
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| 04:29.13 | gsnedders | Pimpi_: ping |
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| 04:30.59 | trepan | PuMpErNiCkLe: simple overlay = translucent overlay |
| 04:31.32 | PuMpErNiCkLe | well, then :) |
| 04:34.32 | trepan | http://trepan.bzflag.bz/noshow/fsradar.jpg |
| 04:34.56 | trepan | note that the shot was taken with the default '2' radar size settings, and that the top and bottom and clipped |
| 04:35.09 | trepan | radarLimit must be observed. |
| 04:36.04 | trepan | either that, or add yet another option to clip the edges |
| 04:36.24 | PuMpErNiCkLe | seems not bad |
| 04:38.14 | PuMpErNiCkLe | A shadow between the viewport view and the map view is about the only thing I can think of to make it better without really changing how the radar works. |
| 04:42.10 | JeffM2501 | full screen maps are generaly ugly |
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| 04:53.46 | SportChick | is m.b.o. down or slow? or is it something on my end? |
| 04:54.11 | L4m3r | I'm not having any issues |
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| 05:37.08 | Pimpi_ | gsnedders: pomg |
| 05:38.42 | Pimpi_ | in a hurry, query or email please :) |
| 05:38.54 | gsnedders | Pimpi_: for the People page on the Viper's website, I've been thinking about various things to actually have people on it. One option would be to have it as a Wiki, another would be to have an email form. Any ideas yourself? |
| 05:39.04 | Pimpi_ | on, reading |
| 05:40.30 | Pimpi_ | not a wiki, we?d have to check it quite frequently to ensure there?s nothing illegal |
| 05:40.44 | gsnedders | that's the conclusion I came to for that option |
| 05:41.20 | Pimpi_ | so email form souinds nice |
| 05:41.32 | gsnedders | and it goes to who? |
| 05:42.01 | Pimpi_ | dunno, what about admin mailing list? |
| 05:42.47 | gsnedders | no reason not to, I guess. |
| 05:43.33 | Pimpi_ | really gtg, we?ll continue discussion later |
| 05:43.35 | Pimpi_ | cu |
| 05:43.37 | gsnedders | bye |
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| 05:54.38 | gsnedders | some nice uneven CTF… only around 10 /kills :P |
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| 07:35.47 | silverfox | Alex's GU dance league: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8242535155667770195 |
| 07:37.16 | trepan | http://trepan.bzflag.bz/noshow/fsradar2.jpg |
| 07:37.42 | CBG | trepan: o.O |
| 07:37.43 | trepan | target box looks like crap... could be fixed |
| 07:37.47 | silverfox | that's a trip |
| 07:39.07 | trepan | not fond of either version so far |
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| 07:42.45 | siimo | hi anyone from nz here |
| 07:53.39 | siimo | hi anyone know how to make the server non public |
| 07:54.08 | trepan | -advertise none |
| 07:54.23 | trepan | or don't use -public/-publicaddr |
| 07:55.26 | siimo | oh ok so if i dont use -public it wont be? |
| 07:55.48 | siimo | it still shows up on my server list (on the same machne) |
| 08:00.46 | LePoulpe303 | when observer , isn't it possible to have top view of entire or partial arena (like radar view) in "3d" (i mean with all textures etc) ? |
| 08:01.11 | LePoulpe303 | that should be good to see tactics , etc |
| 08:01.32 | LePoulpe303 | and better for the eyes than radar view |
| 08:01.36 | CBG | LePoulpe303: it is if you are roaming, and position yourself correctly :) |
| 08:01.53 | LePoulpe303 | CBG: oh ok !!! |
| 08:01.58 | LePoulpe303 | i'll have to see that |
| 08:02.43 | LePoulpe303 | but having it by pressing a key could be great |
| 08:02.44 | siimo | how do i put the standard and super flags on the field again? cant remember the flag |
| 08:02.55 | CBG | LePoulpe303: true :) |
| 08:03.13 | CBG | siimo: +fGM{10} makes 10 GM flags |
| 08:03.24 | CBG | +f GM{10} actually |
| 08:03.25 | siimo | CBG: i remember one command put random flags |
| 08:03.28 | CBG | need a space, iirc |
| 08:03.33 | trepan | LePoulpe303: /roampos 0 0 1000 0 -90 60 |
| 08:03.52 | CBG | siimo: check the manpage |
| 08:03.59 | LePoulpe303 | trepan: Wow |
| 08:06.22 | CBG | change that 60 to 89, LePoulpe303 :) |
| 08:06.34 | trepan | ah, i haven't added the "localcmd" binding to CVS, handy for stuff like that |
| 08:06.43 | CBG | "-89" in fact |
| 08:06.59 | trepan | ex: bind Alt+s down "localcmd /roampos 0 0 1000 0 -90 60" |
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| 08:08.53 | LePoulpe303 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:08.57 | LePoulpe303 | oops |
| 08:09.04 | siimo | CBG: coulnt find it on msn :S |
| 08:09.06 | siimo | man |
| 08:09.08 | LePoulpe303 | trepan: must wait for 2.0.9 for binding then |
| 08:09.50 | trepan | that's part of my big shaders/etc patch, nuisance to bring parts of it over |
| 08:09.58 | purple_cow | shaders? |
| 08:10.24 | trepan | purple_cow: ya, coded 'em up a while ago |
| 08:10.32 | purple_cow | crazy |
| 08:10.55 | trepan | http://trepan.bzflag.bz/noshow/relief.jpg |
| 08:11.07 | trepan | one of the few screenies left from when I was doing it |
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| 08:11.37 | purple_cow | haha |
| 08:12.34 | trepan | purple_cow: my client also runs with the following: http://trepan.bzflag.bz/noshow/materials.bzw |
| 08:12.58 | trepan | hierarchical materials, can be setup as templates |
| 08:16.40 | siimo | whats the quickest way to add random flags to field anyone? |
| 08:22.43 | LePoulpe303 | trepan: please is there a way to display current roampos ? |
| 08:23.25 | trepan | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:23.39 | LePoulpe303 | lol |
| 08:23.46 | LePoulpe303 | ty |
| 08:24.04 | trepan | over here, i've also got '/roampos save' and '/roampos load #index' :) |
| 08:26.11 | siimo | still cant get a single flag on my map :S |
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| 12:28.56 | brad | young goodman brown is back with yet another IP range |
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| 12:38.51 | Steve14 | I'm new here. Is this the official BZFlag Chat ? |
| 12:39.27 | CBG` | Pretty much... :) |
| 12:40.40 | Steve14 | Good |
| 12:42.27 | TheRedBaron | Steve14: #bzchat is the official bzflag chat |
| 12:42.54 | TheRedBaron | this channel is for technical issues or discussing development pertaining to Bzflag |
| 12:43.05 | Steve14 | thanks for the info |
| 12:43.53 | TheRedBaron | if you want to just hang out and chill, #bzchat is the place. |
| 12:43.58 | TheRedBaron | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:44.06 | TheRedBaron | but feel free to lurk here |
| 12:45.26 | Manu | :) |
| 12:48.15 | Steve14 | will stay here :) |
| 12:49.56 | TheRedBaron | welcome, and enjoy your stay :) |
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| 17:48.10 | gsnedders | Pimpi_: you not running off again? :) |
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| 18:18.33 | ruskie | gaahh we really really need to prune all the worthless trustees |
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| 18:40.39 | [NP]Tangent | jesus |
| 18:40.50 | [NP]Tangent | I was just on silvercat and holy crap is green team sucking |
| 18:40.54 | [NP]Tangent | they kept teamkilling me |
| 18:40.57 | [NP]Tangent | so I left |
| 18:42.09 | [NP]Tangent | seriously |
| 18:42.13 | [NP]Tangent | there was a red laser and a red gm |
| 18:42.17 | [NP]Tangent | and whenever I got close to them |
| 18:42.23 | [NP]Tangent | it wasn't the guy with the weapon that hit me |
| 18:42.25 | [NP]Tangent | it was a green |
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| 20:27.13 | granden | Hi |
| 20:27.21 | granden | I got problem with the sound on my laptop. |
| 20:27.45 | granden | I try to run bzflag with aoss but it dont help |
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| 21:12.37 | Saturos | JeffM2501: ping |
| 21:14.11 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 21:14.27 | Saturos | Or any bzbb-admin: A guleague-member tried to change his nickname but accidently created a new account. Now he would be very happy if somebody would delete the double-account. It is called "Currywurst". |
| 21:15.08 | JeffM2501 | done |
| 21:15.17 | Saturos | Thank you. :) |
| 21:16.08 | JeffM2501 | sure |
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| 21:37.40 | I_Died_Once | I hate it that freenode scans your ports |
| 21:38.44 | I_Died_Once | Wish I had the influence to move this whole shin-dig to an IRC server that doesn't do that |
| 21:39.10 | A_Meteorite | what a coincidence... |
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| 21:49.26 | PuMpErNiCkLe | They do port-scans? |
| 21:49.28 | PuMpErNiCkLe | jeez |
| 21:50.01 | PuMpErNiCkLe | On the other hand, it's not like they'll learn anything from flooding my router. :> |
| 21:58.18 | blast007 | they just scan for proxies afaik |
| 21:59.14 | I_Died_Once | ...and if I did have one, I wouldn't let them use it |
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| 22:06.20 | JeffM2501 | only OPEN proxys |
| 22:06.28 | JeffM2501 | you can have and use a closed proxy |
| 22:08.18 | JeffM2501 | I don't think you'd be able to get this channel to move |
| 22:08.21 | JeffM2501 | to another server |
| 22:10.33 | ruskie | to bad... :) |
| 22:10.47 | ruskie | maybe we should move the network instead... :) |
| 22:11.32 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 22:11.55 | A_Meteorite | *coughs* maybe make a new network? *coughs* |
| 22:11.58 | ruskie | move some other network in place of freenode :) |
| 22:12.05 | JeffM2501 | why? |
| 22:12.08 | ruskie | why do we need YAN? |
| 22:12.17 | A_Meteorite | YAN? |
| 22:12.19 | JeffM2501 | freenode is for open source, it suites us perfectly |
| 22:12.25 | ruskie | Yet Another Network |
| 22:12.30 | ruskie | JeffM2501, there's also OFTC |
| 22:13.08 | JeffM2501 | again, why? |
| 22:13.09 | ruskie | no lilo :) |
| 22:13.09 | A_Meteorite | well... I guess I'm doing YAN then |
| 22:13.09 | JeffM2501 | this network has worked fine for us |
| 22:13.09 | JeffM2501 | what is wrong with lilo? |
| 22:13.25 | JeffM2501 | A_Meteorite, your doing your own IRC network? |
| 22:13.28 | ruskie | never noticed the obsessive spamming? |
| 22:13.35 | A_Meteorite | something even better, JeffM2501 |
| 22:13.36 | ruskie | or the odd cloaks |
| 22:13.41 | A_Meteorite | for fun mostly |
| 22:13.45 | ruskie | or the odd ident stuff |
| 22:13.52 | JeffM2501 | ruskie, no, I've noticed the messages, it's not "spaming" |
| 22:13.58 | JeffM2501 | wallops would be messages |
| 22:14.21 | JeffM2501 | for the most part the admins of this network stay out of our day to day lives |
| 22:14.28 | JeffM2501 | I hear from them less then once a month |
| 22:14.31 | JeffM2501 | and that's perfectly fine |
| 22:14.34 | JeffM2501 | and reasonable |
| 22:14.36 | A_Meteorite | a simple chat protocol like IRC, but with some "improvements" here and there... still yet to be coded... (but me and someone else really want to work on it) |
| 22:14.51 | A_Meteorite | pretend you didn't hear anything |
| 22:14.53 | A_Meteorite | :) |
| 22:15.01 | JeffM2501 | A_Meteorite, so realy nothing to do with the subject |
| 22:15.22 | A_Meteorite | actually, it did |
| 22:15.35 | JeffM2501 | I don't think we'd ever go to a new system |
| 22:15.48 | JeffM2501 | there woudl be no point when IRC works for what we need |
| 22:15.57 | A_Meteorite | when I_Died_Once once mentioned port scanning I said "what a coincidence..." because I meant I wouldn't do that (although, you didn't know that) |
| 22:16.07 | ruskie | they don't portscan |
| 22:16.08 | A_Meteorite | I don't expect bzflag to migrate |
| 22:16.08 | JeffM2501 | what I don't think freenode is suited for is all the server/team channels |
| 22:16.19 | I_Died_Once | my arse they don't port scan |
| 22:16.19 | ruskie | they just try some standard proxy ports afaik |
| 22:16.25 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:16.29 | JeffM2501 | and what's wrong with that? |
| 22:16.31 | A_Meteorite | why would they care about proxies? |
| 22:16.36 | A_Meteorite | is that evil or something? |
| 22:16.40 | ruskie | lot's of networks do it |
| 22:16.43 | JeffM2501 | open proxys are mostly used for abbuse |
| 22:16.46 | JeffM2501 | so they ban them |
| 22:16.51 | JeffM2501 | they are used for flood atacks |
| 22:16.54 | JeffM2501 | and the like |
| 22:16.56 | A_Meteorite | ouch |
| 22:17.21 | A_Meteorite | I wonder if UDP works under proxies... (a complicated one maybe?) |
| 22:17.22 | JeffM2501 | proxys have there place, but they shoudl be locked down to there own legitmate users |
| 22:17.38 | JeffM2501 | basicly anyone doing anything "ok" has no real need or reason to hide there identity |
| 22:17.44 | JeffM2501 | it can |
| 22:17.47 | JeffM2501 | it's just a packet |
| 22:17.55 | JeffM2501 | most proxy servers do not do UDP since its' conectionless |
| 22:18.01 | A_Meteorite | ah |
| 22:18.20 | JeffM2501 | and it's not use for web and IRC and the like |
| 22:18.33 | JeffM2501 | any proxy system will add lag |
| 22:18.40 | JeffM2501 | udp is used when you want as low lag as posible |
| 22:18.48 | A_Meteorite | yeah |
| 22:18.49 | ruskie | which unless you happen to be playing realtime trivia irrelevant |
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| 22:18.52 | JeffM2501 | so you usualy don't want to mix them |
| 22:19.11 | ruskie | lag that is :) |
| 22:19.16 | A_Meteorite | I was thinking of doing some cool, but useless, features... like real-time typing (you can see what they are typing) |
| 22:19.31 | A_Meteorite | and even though udp is unreliable, you can always send an ack |
| 22:19.36 | JeffM2501 | anything that is turn based or requires the packet to get thru will use TCP |
| 22:19.47 | JeffM2501 | A_Meteorite, then you are just doing what TCP does |
| 22:19.52 | JeffM2501 | and probably slower then TCP does |
| 22:20.09 | A_Meteorite | ah |
| 22:20.27 | JeffM2501 | so why not just use TCP |
| 22:20.31 | A_Meteorite | like I said, it's just a "dream" something that would be fun to do, it came from a telnet based chat |
| 22:20.44 | A_Meteorite | probably will then |
| 22:21.00 | trepan | http://enet.bespin.org/ |
| 22:21.01 | JeffM2501 | IRC came from telnet based chat ;) |
| 22:21.09 | JeffM2501 | enet rocks |
| 22:21.10 | A_Meteorite | heh |
| 22:21.21 | JeffM2501 | it's like 1/2 between tcp and udp |
| 22:21.38 | JeffM2501 | it'll try to get the packet thru but gives up faster then TCP ;) |
| 22:21.50 | JeffM2501 | it's a good blend for games |
| 22:21.50 | trepan | and more, in-band channels |
| 22:21.54 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:21.57 | JeffM2501 | the channels are cool |
| 22:22.12 | JeffM2501 | it's got a lot of good features for games |
| 22:22.16 | JeffM2501 | raknet as well |
| 22:24.56 | A_Meteorite | I was even thinking far off (I don't see any advantage to this, just for fun - again) p2p chat protocol |
| 22:25.06 | A_Meteorite | would be sorta weird though... :) |
| 22:25.28 | A_Meteorite | all the server would do is make sure people get messages |
| 22:25.30 | A_Meteorite | md5 checks? |
| 22:25.41 | trepan | it's a bad idea |
| 22:25.44 | A_Meteorite | anyways... just a cool simple thing I was thinking about that is OT |
| 22:25.48 | trepan | keep the ips on the server |
| 22:26.14 | A_Meteorite | that's a good point, trepan |
| 22:26.35 | A_Meteorite | but in irc, you can see people's IPs - what's the difference? |
| 22:26.51 | trepan | what's mine? |
| 22:27.02 | A_Meteorite | err |
| 22:27.04 | PuMpErNiCkLe | :D |
| 22:27.08 | A_Meteorite | it's n/a... |
| 22:27.36 | L4m3r | It'd be hard to authenticate such a protocol |
| 22:28.00 | L4m3r | you'd still need some sort of central auth server, so things still get complicated :P |
| 22:28.19 | A_Meteorite | actually, L4m3r, I was thinking each server would take care of it's own auth |
| 22:28.44 | A_Meteorite | but I just thought of this yesterday, it'll probably never be done |
| 22:28.50 | A_Meteorite | it's fun to think about such stuff ;) |
| 22:29.16 | JeffM2501 | how do the servers in the network share auth data? |
| 22:29.21 | A_Meteorite | they don't |
| 22:29.35 | A_Meteorite | just like freenode has their own auth system |
| 22:29.41 | JeffM2501 | so when you join a network, you have to reg with what ever server you hapen to get |
| 22:29.47 | JeffM2501 | freenodes is a network |
| 22:29.52 | A_Meteorite | yes |
| 22:29.59 | A_Meteorite | I would be just doing a protocol, not any network |
| 22:30.22 | JeffM2501 | so your sending password data over the chat proto |
| 22:30.26 | JeffM2501 | aka, wide open |
| 22:30.34 | JeffM2501 | what makes it better then IRC then? |
| 22:31.15 | A_Meteorite | that hasn't been thought out, I haven't even layed out a piece of code, I just thought of this from struggling with a sockets app for bzfx |
| 22:31.26 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 22:31.31 | A_Meteorite | I should of probably never brought it up ;) |
| 22:31.49 | JeffM2501 | I tried to write one once |
| 22:31.51 | JeffM2501 | was a pita |
| 22:31.57 | JeffM2501 | just reinventing the wheel |
| 22:32.20 | A_Meteorite | yes, I couldn't fine one library that was easy, fast, threaded (or select()) and compiled on my Mac |
| 22:32.38 | PuMpErNiCkLe | If the chat protocol supports public key encryption, password data should be safe. |
| 22:32.44 | JeffM2501 | sdl.net ;) |
| 22:32.47 | A_Meteorite | so right now I'm using "raw" sockets, no library |
| 22:33.00 | A_Meteorite | well, a system library... that's it :) |
| 22:33.19 | JeffM2501 | the sdl net stuff is prety decent for a low level socket wraper |
| 22:33.24 | JeffM2501 | it's what libIRC uses |
| 22:33.27 | A_Meteorite | ah |
| 22:33.47 | A_Meteorite | heh, I wonder why C++ Sockets google search didn't bring that up |
| 22:34.15 | JeffM2501 | in general low end sockets dont' need a lbi |
| 22:34.22 | JeffM2501 | you use a lib when you want more features then base sockets |
| 22:34.28 | JeffM2501 | like libcurl |
| 22:34.39 | brlcad | libIRC rocks |
| 22:35.50 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 22:36.00 | JeffM2501 | hope DTRemenak is making good use of it |
| 22:37.08 | JeffM2501 | one day I'd like to finish the server classes |
| 22:37.27 | JeffM2501 | then give it the option of doing a nice binary compressed version of the IRC protocoll |
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| 22:46.11 | Think_differentl | hello? |
| 22:46.36 | PuMpErNiCkLe | yo |
| 22:47.28 | Think_differentl | I am currently having a problem |
| 22:48.33 | PuMpErNiCkLe | What kind of problem? |
| 22:48.38 | Think_differentl | Fonts. |
| 22:48.44 | Think_differentl | bbl |
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| 22:49.02 | L4m3r | ...it was a perfect set-up for an ED joke |
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| 23:10.40 | uso | is there a setting to change rabbit color on radar? rabbitradar seems not to work |
| 23:11.03 | DTRemenak | afaik there is no such setting |
| 23:12.40 | uso | for hunter also not? |
| 23:14.32 | DTRemenak | correct |
| 23:14.45 | DTRemenak | if they're desired, they could be added |
| 23:18.18 | trepan | (branch, that is) |
| 23:18.28 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 23:18.36 | DTRemenak | should check some in every now and again :) |
| 23:19.05 | trepan | No development is scheduled to continue on this branch. Only SUPER critical bug fixes should be applied. |
| 23:19.17 | JeffM2501 | you've already busted that tho |
| 23:19.19 | JeffM2501 | haven't you |
| 23:19.42 | uso | it's somewhat irritating on the radar that my own tank and the rabbit have the same color |
| 23:19.43 | trepan | it wsa a bug fix :) |
| 23:19.52 | trepan | "supercritical", debatable |
| 23:20.22 | JeffM2501 | you plan no puting all those features into a 2.1 codebase? |
| 23:20.42 | trepan | hell, i don't plan anything |
| 23:21.24 | DTRemenak | could always branch from v2_0branch, check in your stuff, and let someone else (tm) migrate it to 2.1 |
| 23:21.36 | trepan | thought of that :) |
| 23:22.11 | DTRemenak | or call it v2_3branch, and let someone else (tm) migrate the 2.1 changes over to it ;) |
| 23:22.19 | uso | always a good idea to check bugfixes in, if they are only bugfixes and no new features |
| 23:22.39 | trepan | ok, ok, so it was a bugfix + new feature |
| 23:22.50 | DTRemenak | heh :0 |
| 23:22.55 | uso | :) |
| 23:23.54 | trepan | just adding dynamic radar texture, neat for _radarLimit worlds |
| 23:28.37 | JeffM2501 | or just check it in and we push off 2.1 longer |
| 23:28.44 | JeffM2501 | not that anyone is doing anything in 2.1 anyway |
| 23:29.11 | DTRemenak | that'd mean he'd have to do the merging |
| 23:29.24 | L4m3r | it'd be neat to define a 3D radar >:D |
| 23:29.29 | JeffM2501 | no we'd have to do it from 2.0.x up |
| 23:29.39 | L4m3r | or even a pseudo-3D with layered textures |
| 23:29.49 | JeffM2501 | cus he's just be making 2.0.10 |
| 23:29.51 | JeffM2501 | basicly |
| 23:30.43 | trepan | a pace oddity (sry, that was just nasty) |
| 23:32.41 | JeffM2501 | one would probably want to ask the project management what they would like to see as a release schedule |
| 23:33.19 | L4m3r | Jeff, what would you like to see as a release schedule? |
| 23:33.23 | L4m3r | j/k :P |
| 23:34.12 | DTRemenak | release schedule? what's that? :) |
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| 23:34.37 | purple_cow | i think it's some kind of "schedule" that tells you when to "release" |
| 23:35.06 | JeffM2501 | I'd like us to set a goal saying we shoudl have a release with at least "these" features by some date |
| 23:35.24 | JeffM2501 | so that we have a plan for the stuff in the next release |
| 23:35.33 | purple_cow | this is open source, dude |
| 23:35.38 | JeffM2501 | yeah I know |
| 23:35.44 | JeffM2501 | so I'll get a pile of crap ;) |
| 23:35.46 | JeffM2501 | in a year |
| 23:35.47 | DTRemenak | "plan"? you use such strange words |
| 23:35.55 | JeffM2501 | firefox has a plan |
| 23:36.00 | JeffM2501 | they are open source |
| 23:36.05 | JeffM2501 | they have a roadmap! |
| 23:36.07 | purple_cow | "plans" and "goals" and "dates" are for chumps who work for money |
| 23:36.24 | JeffM2501 | we all work for money |
| 23:36.29 | JeffM2501 | just not on this ;) |
| 23:36.34 | JeffM2501 | and you dont' even work on this |
| 23:36.36 | JeffM2501 | so shuddap ;) |
| 23:36.41 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 23:36.45 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 23:37.14 | JeffM2501 | I mean if tim wants to bust out little incremental releases, thats fine |
| 23:37.18 | JeffM2501 | and we do a 2.0.10 |
| 23:37.22 | JeffM2501 | then 21 |
| 23:37.24 | JeffM2501 | 12 |
| 23:37.40 | JeffM2501 | I just don't see a system like that geting much done on breaking changes |
| 23:38.10 | JeffM2501 | but then I don't do much on it ether, so maybe I should shuddap ;) |
| 23:39.22 | DTRemenak | by that evaluation none of us do much on it JeffM2501 :) 15 total commits in the last month... |
| 23:39.37 | JeffM2501 | who's the bigest? |
| 23:40.10 | DTRemenak | in the last month, tim has the most commits, actually |
| 23:40.17 | JeffM2501 | then he's the man |
| 23:40.19 | DTRemenak | followed closely by trepan |
| 23:40.29 | JeffM2501 | treapan could do his own 2.0.10 |
| 23:40.41 | JeffM2501 | tho he'd probably need ether your or my help to bust out that windows thingy |
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| 23:40.44 | DTRemenak | that's true, he's got a bunch of stuff he hasn't checked in |
| 23:41.00 | DTRemenak | so counting commits doesn't work so well there :) |
| 23:41.00 | trepan | DTRemenak: and a lot of stuff i won't check in |
| 23:41.34 | DTRemenak | trepan: I'm sure. my point was just that your commit pattern is not an accurate indication of the amount of work you do :) |
| 23:41.43 | JeffM2501 | trepan, woudl you commit more if we did a 2.0.10? |
| 23:41.56 | JeffM2501 | who does the most work then ;) |
| 23:42.15 | DTRemenak | trepan is the man, JeffM2501 :) |
| 23:42.19 | JeffM2501 | indeed |
| 23:42.32 | JeffM2501 | so he can drive a 2.0.10 if he wanted |
| 23:43.38 | JeffM2501 | from a comunit viewpoint if we did bust out a 2.0.10 and it has no fixes for cheating stuff or perceved problems, then it dosn't look good for us |
| 23:44.06 | JeffM2501 | they will say we don't care about cheating |
| 23:44.06 | DTRemenak | when have we cared how we looked? |
| 23:44.06 | JeffM2501 | tho maybe we don't |
| 23:44.06 | trepan | JeffM2501: for 2.0.10, i could current add autohunt, fullscreen radar, dynamic radar, and the stats/seen/memo/tag thingy |
| 23:44.06 | uso | there seems to be a rabbit team in 2.0.8, if I add a setRadarColor(RabbitTeam, BZDBget("rabbitradar")) in the initialization could this work? |
| 23:44.13 | uso | to change the rabbit color from the config? |
| 23:44.15 | trepan | also did some cleanup in playing.cxx, mess that it is |
| 23:44.34 | JeffM2501 | trepan, and you do not want to move that up to 2.1.x correct? |
| 23:44.35 | DTRemenak | uso: yeah, probably |
| 23:45.00 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, mayber we should start caring how we look, and what people want ;) |
| 23:45.02 | trepan | JeffM2501: i'd rather "release" it as a patch then have to wait for 6 months, if those are my options |
| 23:45.11 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: maybe :) |
| 23:45.13 | uso | yay for autohunt and fullscreen radar |
| 23:45.14 | JeffM2501 | trepan, valid opinions |
| 23:45.36 | JeffM2501 | if we did a 2.0.10, how hard would it be to get the changes in it merged into head? |
| 23:45.44 | trepan | one sec |
| 23:46.02 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, yeah |
| 23:46.11 | JeffM2501 | more releases is not bad |
| 23:46.17 | DTRemenak | what breaking changes do we have left to do? |
| 23:46.31 | JeffM2501 | none if you go by the concept of "no plan" |
| 23:46.33 | DTRemenak | I've got one which I need to bust out sometime |
| 23:46.34 | trepan | thinks are a more robust protocol is paramount before the next release |
| 23:46.43 | JeffM2501 | more if we want to have a plan to get more server side states in |
| 23:46.56 | JeffM2501 | trepan, I agree |
| 23:47.00 | trepan | get that straightened away, and release often/early :) |
| 23:47.04 | DTRemenak | that'd be cool :) |
| 23:47.19 | JeffM2501 | but then how do we get your features into 2.1? |
| 23:47.26 | JeffM2501 | and who builds this new killer proto? |
| 23:47.28 | trepan | but i ain't doing it again, i've lone-gunned a lot of crap so far |
| 23:47.37 | JeffM2501 | exactly |
| 23:47.47 | JeffM2501 | so who does it? |
| 23:48.02 | JeffM2501 | but now we are sounding like we are planing |
| 23:48.05 | JeffM2501 | and we can't have that |
| 23:48.15 | purple_cow | i'll make you a deal |
| 23:48.30 | purple_cow | $200 plus airfare, and i'll punch each of you whenever you start |
| 23:48.39 | trepan | JeffM2501: just 'patch --dry-run' it, not too hard to get the stuff into 2.1 |
| 23:48.40 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 23:48.59 | uso | a release once a year is a good rhythm, breaking the protocol more often is too much hassle for all the league things |
| 23:49.12 | JeffM2501 | uso, we generaly release 2x a year |
| 23:49.41 | JeffM2501 | and proto breaks are years between |
| 23:49.43 | uso | so there's alredy a 2.2? ;) |
| 23:49.51 | JeffM2501 | last time we busted proto was 1.10 |
| 23:49.56 | DTRemenak | 2.0 |
| 23:49.58 | JeffM2501 | 2.1 will be 2.2 |
| 23:50.02 | JeffM2501 | we are on 2.0 |
| 23:50.06 | uso | ah, ok, thought of a protocol break |
| 23:50.14 | JeffM2501 | 2.1 has a busted proto from 2.0 |
| 23:50.16 | uso | so release was the wrong word |
| 23:51.12 | JeffM2501 | I'd like to see releases every 3 months or so |
| 23:51.35 | JeffM2501 | with proto breaks when we find stuff we can't fix with out |
| 23:52.01 | JeffM2501 | there we go |
| 23:52.14 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 23:52.17 | JeffM2501 | WS runs would mean a couple releases right there ;) |
| 23:52.27 | Saturos | Why not release a 2.0.10 with trepan's graphical-stuff as a GUI-improvement only? People want that... probably put the jitterkick in to feed up the ones demanding background-changes. I doubt they will scream at you saying you dont care about cheating. |
| 23:52.41 | JeffM2501 | Saturos, that is one option |
| 23:52.47 | JeffM2501 | but then it's just a fluf release |
| 23:52.52 | JeffM2501 | no fixes to real problems |
| 23:53.00 | Saturos | Its a release with killer-features for some people. |
| 23:53.02 | trepan | Saturos: no real gfx changes for 2.0.10 |
| 23:53.02 | JeffM2501 | and yes, they will |
| 23:53.25 | Saturos | Almost everybody is curious about the fullscreen-radar. |
| 23:53.31 | JeffM2501 | that they are |
| 23:53.42 | trepan | it's sickening |
| 23:53.46 | Saturos | ;) |
| 23:53.50 | JeffM2501 | or we just bust out 2.2 and release it |
| 23:53.52 | DTRemenak | that's the truth. I tried it once too |
| 23:53.55 | JeffM2501 | probably take the same time |
| 23:54.08 | DTRemenak | nauseating was how I described it at the time, I believe |
| 23:54.16 | JeffM2501 | I kept saying they woudln't like it, but NO the red barons of the world kept insisting :) |
| 23:54.17 | uso | better getting a few things fixed which do not require a protocol break than nothing |
| 23:54.28 | Saturos | What about the console btw? Where is it placed with a fullscreen-radar? |
| 23:54.39 | trepan | 2.2 is not worth the protocol break |
| 23:54.53 | JeffM2501 | if we put your stuff in it |
| 23:54.57 | DTRemenak | it's better as a wireframe radar mode, but then it's just about useless |
| 23:55.01 | JeffM2501 | and finish up some biger fieatures |
| 23:55.08 | JeffM2501 | what features woudl be worth the proto break? |
| 23:55.24 | trepan | fixing the protocol :) |
| 23:55.30 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 23:55.32 | Saturos | Server-side kill-detection. :/ |
| 23:55.43 | trepan | not just kill detection, everything |
| 23:55.43 | JeffM2501 | so it comes back down to who all wants to do that, and how long it will take |
| 23:55.58 | Saturos | I wonder which load it puts on the server... at the moment bzfs runs on almost every machine. |
| 23:56.09 | trepan | Saturos: who cares? |
| 23:56.13 | JeffM2501 | Saturos, no more then what the client does |
| 23:56.14 | Saturos | Thats a point. |
| 23:56.16 | trepan | like we need 200 crappy servers |
| 23:56.18 | JeffM2501 | minus drawing |
| 23:56.22 | trepan | JeffM2501: not quite true |
| 23:56.30 | JeffM2501 | ok maybe slightly more |
| 23:56.34 | JeffM2501 | it ain't gonna be much |
| 23:56.52 | JeffM2501 | and yeah, we don't need 200 crap servers |
| 23:57.02 | JeffM2501 | that is a biger problem then cheating I feel |
| 23:57.13 | DTRemenak | it's not a problem really. just useless |
| 23:57.24 | DTRemenak | cheating is actually a problem |
| 23:57.27 | JeffM2501 | I think it's a problem for new players |
| 23:57.37 | trepan | add 'preferred' list server status, the sorting, the tabs, etc... |
| 23:57.38 | JeffM2501 | but then so is cheating |
| 23:57.51 | JeffM2501 | so who wants to do the proto fix? |
| 23:57.55 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 23:58.22 | JeffM2501 | somone want to lay it out, and then we break it up and just get it done? |
| 23:58.27 | trepan | JeffM2501: I'll start it off by removing MsgPlayerUpdate, and youz can work it from there :) |
| 23:58.34 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 23:58.42 | JeffM2501 | so we just joke about it and do nothing |
| 23:58.49 | JeffM2501 | sounds normal |
| 23:58.55 | trepan | heh, i've already got a version done |
| 23:59.06 | JeffM2501 | but you won't commit it |
| 23:59.08 | JeffM2501 | so it dosn't mater |
| 23:59.15 | JeffM2501 | it's the same then as if the work as not been done |
| 23:59.22 | JeffM2501 | so somone has to do it |
| 23:59.35 | JeffM2501 | if you want to give us that code, or commit it we can work on it |
