| 00:00.55 | trepan | take me out of the picture, then what do you do? |
| 00:01.32 | trepan | anyone care enough to do the typing/lib adds/integration? |
| 00:01.47 | purple_cow | you know the answer |
| 00:01.50 | trepan | JeffM2501: you don't even like the game :) |
| 00:02.18 | purple_cow | i keep trying to convince JeffM2501 that screamers is more interesting than bzflag, but he just won't listen |
| 00:02.40 | trepan | any code for that lying around? |
| 00:02.56 | purple_cow | not really |
| 00:04.55 | uso | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:05.40 | JeffM2501 | trepan, but I like the concept of the game, and some of the people |
| 00:07.01 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: oh admit it, you're just a masochist :) |
| 00:07.25 | JeffM2501 | if you want me to leave I can leave |
| 00:07.32 | JeffM2501 | I'm just trying to make sense of the thing |
| 00:07.36 | JeffM2501 | what everyone is saying |
| 00:07.56 | JeffM2501 | I mean part of the reason I'ms till here is a small sense of atachment to the thing from so long ago |
| 00:08.02 | JeffM2501 | first game I ever worked on and the like. |
| 00:08.15 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 00:08.27 | JeffM2501 | we joke a lot when we shoudl be thinking hard |
| 00:08.39 | JeffM2501 | since Tim won't do the hard thinking for us |
| 00:08.51 | JeffM2501 | and I'm sure I am a little bit of a masochist |
| 00:08.57 | DTRemenak | what is there to think hard about? |
| 00:08.58 | JeffM2501 | otherwise I'd not do the froums ;) |
| 00:09.03 | DTRemenak | yeah, exactly :P |
| 00:09.08 | JeffM2501 | how to get a fixed proto into the thing |
| 00:09.37 | JeffM2501 | as treapan says with out him we are rather screwed |
| 00:09.48 | purple_cow | i know how |
| 00:09.59 | purple_cow | one or two people create a branch and bang it out |
| 00:09.59 | JeffM2501 | I'd be willing to implement his code in whattever version |
| 00:10.09 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: nobody wants to do it solo. it can't be done incrementally. so two or more of us have to get together and cooperate on design and implementation. do you really think it's gonna happen? |
| 00:10.28 | purple_cow | no more than 2 people will work |
| 00:10.29 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, I know, I'm trying to see if I can get a group together |
| 00:10.37 | JeffM2501 | if we cant' get a group, we are screwed |
| 00:10.52 | JeffM2501 | if we are screwed, hell, release a 2.0.10 :) |
| 00:11.11 | JeffM2501 | I'm willing to code, but I'm not that strong on the design |
| 00:11.21 | JeffM2501 | who's willing to design and lay it out |
| 00:11.35 | JeffM2501 | trepan, you willing to give us the code you have so we can implement it and answer questions we have? |
| 00:12.42 | JeffM2501 | I'd hate to see code that is already done go to waste |
| 00:13.53 | trepan | JeffM2501: nope, not willing to part with my personal libraries (integral), but willing to _help_ |
| 00:14.05 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 00:14.16 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: so who ends up in this group anyway? I'm generally a bumbling idiot when it comes to network stuff. You don't want to do design. Tim isn't going to, trepan doesn't want to/isn't going to/whatever. That leaves who, lan56 and brlcad? :) |
| 00:14.44 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, your a good coder tho, so if we can get treapan to help us with a design, we can do the thing |
| 00:14.49 | JeffM2501 | and don't forget tupone ;) |
| 00:15.01 | DTRemenak | whoops |
| 00:15.10 | JeffM2501 | trepan says stuff like just send input |
| 00:15.13 | JeffM2501 | I don't know what that means |
| 00:15.23 | DTRemenak | he probably means literally, just send input |
| 00:15.31 | JeffM2501 | then how does that comp for lag? |
| 00:17.15 | DTRemenak | beats me. I usually assume communication is instantaneous :P |
| 00:18.41 | JeffM2501 | well so if we can't even come up with a plan we are screwed |
| 00:18.41 | uso | DTRemenak: spelling rabbit with two b's each time and rabbitradar works, thanks :) |
| 00:18.52 | uso | hunters aren't a team, right? |
| 00:19.10 | DTRemenak | uso: hunters are a team in 2.1, not in 2.0 |
| 00:19.20 | JeffM2501 | just keep text to speach going in the background brlcad :) |
| 00:19.25 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 00:19.29 | uso | ok, i'm on 2.0 :) |
| 00:19.34 | brlcad | JeffM2501: I've thought about that before ;) |
| 00:19.44 | DTRemenak | that'd drive me nuts...trying to listen to you guys while listening to Pinnafore :) |
| 00:19.50 | brlcad | unfortunately, lots of the time I'm detached on and off too :) |
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| 00:24.00 | brlcad | the only point in "freezing" the 2.0 branch is to get us focusing on the proto-breaking changes |
| 00:26.42 | brlcad | there's otherwise no point in specifically not working on 2.0, if trepan or whomever wants to work on non-proto stuff whatever |
| 00:27.07 | JeffM2501 | do we release a 2.0.10 tho? |
| 00:27.15 | JeffM2501 | that takes more then one person usualy |
| 00:27.22 | brlcad | usually |
| 00:27.55 | brlcad | i agree that I'd had to see the code rot or just sit in his dir forever |
| 00:28.03 | brlcad | or god forbid one of his deletion rampages ;) |
| 00:28.31 | trepan | brlcad: heh, if i don't put it in, i can't take it out |
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| 01:03.56 | A_Meteorite | darnit, I disconnected and missed all the good proto changes and BZFLag stuff |
| 01:04.01 | A_Meteorite | (like 2.0.10 and 2.1) |
| 01:04.08 | A_Meteorite | :) |
| 01:04.44 | trepan | ya, you've been elected as our new leader, good luck |
| 01:04.58 | A_Meteorite | trepan: anything good I missed? any new libs? anti-cheating? is there going to be a 2.0.10? |
| 01:05.02 | A_Meteorite | man, 40mins is a lot |
| 01:05.08 | A_Meteorite | eek |
| 01:05.30 | A_Meteorite | are you going to commit? /me is buggering |
| 01:05.35 | trepan | ya, new gfx, sound, rock solid sim/net |
| 01:06.01 | trepan | as soon as someone codes it |
| 01:06.05 | A_Meteorite | what about the MsgPlayerUpdate and doing everything server-side? |
| 01:06.09 | A_Meteorite | or was that all joking? |
| 01:07.00 | A_Meteorite | let me know when I tired you out :) |
| 01:10.57 | A_Meteorite | OK, I think I tired trepan out ;) |
| 01:15.45 | brlcad | it's all one big hoax |
| 01:15.58 | A_Meteorite | ahh, thanks for clearing it up brlcad |
| 01:15.59 | brlcad | the next version will have little plastic tanks the shoot pink rabbits |
| 01:16.10 | A_Meteorite | yes! exactly! |
| 01:16.18 | A_Meteorite | who was the master-mind of this? |
| 01:16.26 | A_Meteorite | ;) |
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| 01:23.49 | uso | does 2.0.8 not update the full server list while you are connected to a server? |
| 01:25.12 | uso | it's somewhat strange, 5 of 20 pages are recent, but the other 15 server pages are at state cached, a few minutes old, probably the same time as i'm connected to a server |
| 01:26.08 | brlcad | delete your cache files? |
| 01:26.44 | uso | i'm only deleting it on bzflag start |
| 01:26.53 | uso | is deleting it while it is running safe? |
| 01:27.38 | brlcad | you shouldn't normally have to delete the cache files.. i wouldn't do it every time unless you have some specific problem |
| 01:28.19 | uso | has no effect |
| 01:28.40 | uso | i'm always delete it in the wrapper script, it never has worked since 2.0 ;) |
| 01:29.14 | uso | but at least it has worked ingame so far |
| 01:31.21 | uso | serverlist works without a problem if i restart bzflag, but not if i'm connected to a server (as observer) for some minutes and want to change to another server |
| 01:32.35 | uso | and this behaviour is new, introduced somewhere between late 2.0.3 and 2.0.8 |
| 01:33.22 | brlcad | not enough info to debug it, especially if you're going through a wrapper .. hard to determine the state of your files before/during/after |
| 01:33.51 | brlcad | if it doesn't work completely unmodified, then it sounds like it would be a bug of course and you should report it to the tracker |
| 01:34.19 | brlcad | with exact steps to reproduce, environment details, etc |
| 01:34.58 | brlcad | i've not heard that reported before myself.. seems like something local to your setup, or something others just aren't noticing/caring about |
| 01:36.08 | brlcad | only the top servers will be changing frequently, the top servers inform of updates as players join/part but the bottom ones have nobody connecting so they get stale |
| 01:36.13 | uso | the wrapper only deletes the cache, unsets http_proxy (don't know if this is necessary) and switches of the mouse acceleration of X11 (xset m 1 1) |
| 01:37.08 | uso | the top servers are in cached state, so i have recognized it |
| 01:38.54 | brlcad | which cache are you talking about? |
| 01:39.08 | brlcad | there's only one cache for the server list itself, it's not per page |
| 01:40.02 | uso | i remove the files in the .bzf/cache dir |
| 01:40.12 | uso | rm -f *.bwc CACHEDIR.TAG CacheIndex.txt BZFS*.bzs |
| 01:40.34 | uso | 2.0.2 and 2.0.3 crashed often if i don't remove them |
| 01:40.46 | PuMpErNiCkLe | btw, does anyone have/know of a running playground server? |
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| 01:41.22 | uso | maybe a side effect of alternatly using 2.0 and 1.10, not sure if it's still necessary |
| 01:41.36 | brlcad | so stop doing that and see if it's still a problem :) |
| 01:41.37 | uso | but shouldn't harm at all, should it? |
| 01:41.44 | uso | :) |
| 01:42.04 | brlcad | it "shouldn't" but is really hard to say -- there are other files you are not deleting, config settings |
| 01:42.15 | uso | config is a subdir |
| 01:42.41 | brlcad | at a higher level |
| 01:43.20 | uso | hmm, it may only happen if i'm connected as an observer |
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| 01:52.23 | uso | yes, it only happens while i'm connected as an observer, if i connect as a normal player the serverlist is refreshed completely |
| 01:52.51 | uso | not removing the cache gives me the same behaviour also after a restart |
| 01:55.52 | brlcad | still not sure I follow what you mean about "some" of the server list being cached |
| 01:56.06 | brlcad | the list itself is either displayed cached or not cached, it's not per-page |
| 01:59.37 | uso | the servers on the first pages are bright and no comment "Cached" is displayed, the server on the later pages are shadowed and the comment "Cached nn mins" is displayed |
| 02:00.36 | uso | and bzflag does not touch the file BZFS0026-Servers.bzs |
| 02:01.27 | uso | the "Cached nn mins" is the time difference between the file date and the current time |
| 02:08.32 | uso | probably localized it, it only happens if I use the -config option, this seems not to be in wide use ;) |
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| 02:22.26 | uso | doesn't "Server List Cache 30 days" used to mean servers which are not in the global list anymore stay for 30 days in your local server list cache? |
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| 02:28.30 | uso | could someone please try to reproduce this: set "Server List Cache" to 30 days, "Join Game" -> "Find Server", check serverlist (should be up to date), F12 |
| 02:29.23 | uso | wait a few minutes, restart bzflag, "Join Game" -> "Find Server", check serverlist, especially the rear pages |
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| 03:00.45 | trepan | one for jeff: http://trepan.bzflag.bz/noshow/fsrRadar.jpg |
| 03:04.53 | A_Meteorite | trepan: please please don't tell me with this you can't change the radar back to the "old style" :) |
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| 03:21.09 | PuMpErNiCkLe | noice, noice |
| 03:23.33 | Legoguy | oooh i like how that radar looks |
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| 08:39.51 | ruskie | trepan, sweet I like that radar... |
| 08:41.11 | gsnedders | what radar? |
| 08:41.15 | gsnedders | :P |
| 08:41.46 | ruskie | http://trepan.bzflag.bz/noshow/fsrRadar.jpg |
| 08:42.20 | gsnedders | as much as I use radar, I want to look :) |
| 08:42.33 | ruskie | just needs a bit more alpha to it... |
| 08:43.21 | gsnedders | ~bzcvs |
| 08:43.23 | ibot | cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P bzflag (this is for HEAD ie: 2.1 see also bz20cvs) |
| 08:49.32 | uso | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:59.21 | trepan | http://trepan.bzflag.bz/noshow/fsrRadar2.jpg |
| 08:59.52 | trepan | you set set the viewport tint color and alpha |
| 08:59.58 | trepan | s/set set/can set |
| 09:22.50 | trepan | heh, searched for "extreme pornograffitti ogg"; should have known better |
| 09:32.50 | gsnedders | lol |
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| 11:26.04 | Waistless | hello, any devs here? i got some problem to do with LANs. |
| 11:26.24 | Waistless | might as well just type it out now waiting for someone to respond.. |
| 11:27.11 | Waistless | We have bzflag here on the school right, but there's a problem |
| 11:27.42 | Waistless | when using a version later than 2.0.0, the find server option is extreemely probhibited or doesn't work at all |
| 11:27.50 | Waistless | but when using 2.0.0, it works just find |
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| 11:29.34 | Waistless | finding the computer's (which the server starts on) IP address and giving it out works, but o |
| 11:29.57 | Waistless | i'd prefer if it did work, it's just the newer versions load up much faster than the original 2.0 |
| 11:31.42 | Waistless | note that when i try to use find server with versions later than 2.0.0, it never shows up server and keeps giving out "cannot talk with list server" errors. So it seems to be trying to look for internet servers first. Is there any function i could use to make it ONLY search for LAN servers? |
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| 12:07.27 | blast007 | Waistless: there is a -nolist option for bzflag - not sure if that would resolve locating LAN servers |
| 12:11.54 | blast007 | and 2.0.4 supposedly had a fix for finding LAN games on some systems |
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| 12:33.58 | Waistless | k i'll try that, thx |
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| 12:57.57 | brlcad | trepan: that looks pretty good |
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| 13:00.44 | brlcad | apparently not just zooming up the existing radar into a scissor any more, is that a blend func trimming it to a circle? |
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| 13:05.12 | brlcad | would be interesting to see how well it works to not trim it to the circle, maybe just tinting the map rect instead and letting it spin; or tinting the entire display |
| 13:08.08 | brlcad | i see your first example tinted the entire display.. works, but the clip to circle is still .. odd |
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| 13:41.45 | brad | ~bz20cvs |
| 13:41.46 | ibot | cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P -r v2_0branch bzflag |
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| 16:18.31 | *** topic/#bzflag is http://BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/GettingHelp || paste to http://bzflag.pastebin.ca || CVS HEAD is 2.1 UNSTABLE, use for new commits || 2.0.8 is released react acordingly |
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| 16:19.32 | L4m3r | am I still alive? |
| 16:19.53 | ruskie | yes |
| 16:19.54 | gsnedders | "HTTP/1.1 100 Continue" seems mad. |
| 16:19.56 | TheRedBaron | barely |
| 16:21.00 | L4m3r | my ethernet is being annoying |
| 16:21.06 | gsnedders | but I'll have some different ;) |
| 16:21.19 | gsnedders | something anonymous that I won't say ;P |
| 16:21.23 | L4m3r | seems to disconnect at the slightest twitch |
| 16:21.54 | L4m3r | the balloon "A network cable is unplugged" keeps popping up and vanishing |
| 16:22.43 | Gnurdux | wierd |
| 16:23.17 | L4m3r | oh, it's just great to be home. Not. |
| 16:23.24 | TheRedBaron | L4m3r: laptop? |
| 16:23.24 | ruskie | lol |
| 16:23.29 | ruskie | bad cable? bad nic? |
| 16:23.35 | TheRedBaron | bad dongle? |
| 16:23.59 | L4m3r | no, I've got my rig set up on a damn coffee table because my mom hasn't yet gotten around to removing all the assorted junk from my room |
| 16:24.51 | L4m3r | ...it had better not be a bad nic, because this is one on my motherboard |
| 16:26.02 | L4m3r | am I gone? |
| 16:26.08 | A_Meteorite | no |
| 16:41.56 | TD-Linux | alcohol wipes on the connectors might do some good :) |
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| 16:47.02 | brlcad | bzflag chat in here is generally okay too .. just so long as it's "on-topic" and not just a bunch of "omfg ponies! lol" |
| 16:47.18 | DTRemenak | omfg ponies! lol :) |
| 16:47.26 | brlcad | where?! |
| 16:47.30 | DTRemenak | there! |
| 16:48.37 | TD-Linux | I just saw one! |
| 16:49.08 | TD-Linux | awww, it craweled in a vent in my computer and got chopped up by a fan :/ |
| 16:51.35 | A_Meteorite | TD-Linux: ewww |
| 16:52.16 | TD-Linux | A_Meteorite: don't worry, there are plenty more on ./ |
| 16:52.20 | TD-Linux | err ./ |
| 16:52.25 | TD-Linux | argh... /. |
| 16:52.28 | A_Meteorite | lol |
| 16:52.56 | A_Meteorite | I despise slashdot... except when it makes a good google result |
| 16:53.28 | TD-Linux | I never EVER read slashdot :P |
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| 17:08.25 | gsnedders | it's taking a while to get bzbb confirmation email :\ |
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| 17:14.21 | trepan | brlcad: it clips with the stencil buffer, first one did no radar related tinting (was inside something iirc) |
| 17:14.59 | trepan | i figure with the way cards can run shadow volumes algos these days, a 50% stencil blit doesn't really cost much :) |
| 17:18.03 | gsnedders | at what point does displaying data the client already has in another way become cheating? |
| 17:18.17 | gsnedders | eg. something that, although slightly tricky, could be done by the person? |
| 17:18.38 | Mr_Molez | anything that gives u an advantage |
| 17:18.40 | trepan | using 2 clients at once? |
| 17:19.12 | gsnedders | Mr_Molez: even if you could get that advantage, abit with a slight challenge, with a vanilla client? |
| 17:19.46 | gsnedders | I'm thinking of having a shot counter, with the current flag |
| 17:20.26 | Mr_Molez | gsnedders: ive had this discussion with jeff . i asked if it would be cheating if i increased the size of team flags. To make them easily visible. He said its classed as cheating |
| 17:20.55 | gsnedders | that's completely different, though, making something visable bigger. |
| 17:21.22 | Mr_Molez | maybe.. |
| 17:21.50 | gsnedders | for the first time after you join, you have the stats for various flags in your client anyway |
| 17:26.50 | DTRemenak | gsnedders: counting shots could be easily done on paper anyway. I would not have a problem with such a modification on my servers. if you have a slick way to tie it into the hud, you might consider submitting a patch, also. |
| 17:27.17 | DTRemenak | note, though, that just because I wouldn't have a problem with it on my servers doesn't mean other admins wouldn't have a problem with it |
| 17:27.35 | gsnedders | DTRemenak: that was my point, it can be done on paper outside of the client already. |
| 17:27.59 | gsnedders | DTRemenak: I'd thought of putting it into the scoreboard |
| 17:28.18 | gsnedders | DTRemenak: but there again, I'm not gonna be coding. C++ ain't my language. |
| 17:28.38 | DTRemenak | too bad :( |
| 17:29.35 | gsnedders | I might have a try at coding it, from my knowledge of Obj-C and other patches I have that do stuff with the scoreboard, but it may well not work. |
| 17:29.36 | gsnedders | at all. |
| 17:30.40 | gsnedders | in fact, it almost certainly won't. |
| 17:31.11 | ruskie | hmm shot counter would be nice |
| 17:31.23 | gsnedders | ruskie: well, you're better at coding that me |
| 17:31.27 | gsnedders | *nudge nudge* |
| 17:31.30 | ruskie | not really |
| 17:31.42 | ruskie | no clue where you got that idea... |
| 17:31.51 | ruskie | I think you mean BearPerson |
| 17:32.04 | gsnedders | I thought you were a dev of Source Mage as well |
| 17:32.10 | gsnedders | or is that just BearPerson? |
| 17:32.19 | ruskie | yeah I'm a sm dev |
| 17:32.27 | ruskie | but we don't do C codig |
| 17:32.32 | ruskie | bash scripting :) |
| 17:33.10 | ruskie | but bear knows coding... |
| 17:33.10 | gsnedders | ah. |
| 17:33.35 | gsnedders | I know. |
| 17:33.46 | ruskie | :) |
| 17:34.03 | gsnedders | and I also have a patch to his patch, by me :o |
| 17:35.59 | ruskie | mmm nice sitting in the living room where it's cool with the lappy :) |
| 17:40.16 | trepan | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=452180&group_id=3248&atid=303248, Aug/2001 |
| 17:40.32 | JeffM2501 | gsnedders, there is no timeframe |
| 17:40.42 | JeffM2501 | they are done when somone with commit access decides to do them |
| 17:40.59 | JeffM2501 | many patches are not ever put in |
| 17:41.41 | JeffM2501 | heh LZ,aka eye candy sheild ;) |
| 17:41.56 | gsnedders | but bug fixes? |
| 17:42.12 | JeffM2501 | gsnedders, depends if somone has enough interest in it to fix it |
| 17:42.23 | JeffM2501 | noone is "asigned" to review and apply patches |
| 17:42.57 | gsnedders | of course |
| 17:42.59 | JeffM2501 | you musta missed the while "plan" discussion yesterday ;) |
| 17:43.15 | JeffM2501 | basicly if you want it in, ask somone to do it for you |
| 17:45.12 | A_Meteorite | JeffM2501: I did too |
| 17:45.28 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 17:45.39 | A_Meteorite | anything "good" or "exciting" in 2.1? (I heard something about removing MsgPlayerUpdate and doing everything server-side) |
| 17:45.43 | A_Meteorite | the plan |
| 17:46.01 | JeffM2501 | HA! |
| 17:46.03 | JeffM2501 | oh man |
| 17:46.09 | A_Meteorite | my client pooped out half-way through |
| 17:46.11 | JeffM2501 | go read the logs |
| 17:46.16 | A_Meteorite | where? |
| 17:46.17 | gsnedders | JeffM2501: I would ask you, but I don't think you're the best person to ask for a patch that fixes PHP (in bzfquery.php) |
| 17:46.19 | trepan | ~logs |
| 17:46.20 | ibot | logs is probably http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/, or stats http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/bzflag.html.gz |
| 17:46.21 | JeffM2501 | how so very wrong are you |
| 17:46.26 | A_Meteorite | thanks |
| 17:46.37 | JeffM2501 | gsnedders, then you ask somone else |
| 17:47.28 | trepan | gsnedders: unified diffs are preferred |
| 17:51.07 | JeffM2501 | cus there isn't |
| 17:51.11 | JeffM2501 | it's just prefered |
| 17:52.32 | A_Meteorite | have to wait for tomorrow for the rest of the logs |
| 17:52.48 | A_Meteorite | the very end of 20060615 is where I quit |
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| 17:56.09 | A_Meteorite | Gnurdux! |
| 17:56.21 | Gnurdux | yes A_Meteorite ? |
| 17:56.36 | A_Meteorite | pm |
| 18:16.37 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, you around? |
| 18:16.57 | DTRemenak | no, I'm a square |
| 18:17.01 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 18:17.09 | JeffM2501 | what hud files were added ? |
| 18:17.17 | JeffM2501 | they are missing in 7.1 project |
| 18:17.22 | DTRemenak | HUDuiElement.cxx|h, HUDuiFrame.cxx|h |
| 18:17.26 | JeffM2501 | thanks |
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| 19:17.01 | uso | shouldn't ROAM.getTargetTank() return NULL if you are in roaming mode, but don't follow, track or drive with a tank? |
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| 19:18.59 | DTRemenak | uso: probably |
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| 19:20.03 | uso | gives back a valid tank in 2.0.8, probably the last one you were tracking |
| 19:21.24 | DTRemenak | uso: I take it back. it doesn't return a pointer, it returns a player index. it should always be valid. |
| 19:21.46 | DTRemenak | hmm, or maybe it does return a pointer |
| 19:21.53 | DTRemenak | it shouldn't :P |
| 19:21.58 | uso | Player* |
| 19:25.03 | DTRemenak | uso: is there a problem with it returning the last tank you were tracking? iirc that means you get the same one if you cycle through the roaming modes |
| 19:28.08 | uso | yes, but in the other roaming modes you can cycle through the players with F7, in this mode F7 is disabled, so somewhat inconsistent |
| 19:29.03 | uso | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:30.30 | uso | now it shows me a velocity even if i do not track a tank :) |
| 19:30.48 | DTRemenak | well if you track a flag it should track the flag's velocity too |
| 19:31.04 | DTRemenak | you're going to have to handle different modes anyway for that sort of patch |
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| 19:32.18 | DTRemenak | hmm, it does seem a little odd wrt the comment I wrote that says they should return null if they're not valid though :P |
| 19:32.24 | ruskie | would be nice if there was a follow flag and drive with flag modes :) |
| 19:32.34 | DTRemenak | ruskie: you can follow the flag |
| 19:32.43 | ruskie | no you can track it |
| 19:32.46 | ruskie | not follow |
| 19:32.48 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 19:32.52 | uso | hmm, didn't wanted to make it that complicated, my C++ skills are copy/paste ;) |
| 19:33.37 | DTRemenak | hmm, so should I fix the code to match the documentation, or fix the documentation to match the code..... |
| 19:33.55 | uso | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:33.59 | uso | the code ;) |
| 19:34.08 | trepan | DTRemenak: or grab a beer and let it slide |
| 19:34.31 | DTRemenak | trepan: that's just evil :) |
| 19:34.57 | DTRemenak | or I could just delete the documentation |
| 19:35.06 | ruskie | velocity display? |
| 19:35.10 | uso | not mauch work |
| 19:35.18 | uso | *much |
| 19:36.03 | uso | shows the velocities of the tank you are observing |
| 19:36.13 | ruskie | nice... |
| 19:36.19 | gsnedders | Pimpinella: ping |
| 19:36.27 | ruskie | how about all the tanks... like lable shows it all |
| 19:36.55 | uso | the old patch comes from snick |
| 19:37.00 | uso | hehe, ruskie :) |
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| 19:41.19 | Think_differentl | i have a probleim. |
| 19:41.29 | ruskie | so think different about it ;) |
| 19:41.29 | Think_differentl | with bzflag (all versionz) |
| 19:41.33 | Think_differentl | :P |
| 19:41.37 | TheRedBaron | Think_differentl: we all have problems, some are fixable, some aren't |
| 19:41.41 | Think_differentl | lol |
| 19:41.48 | gsnedders | problems are normally fixed with solutions |
| 19:41.56 | Think_differentl | seems that bz wont start |
| 19:42.03 | Think_differentl | when i run it in a term, its missing the fonts |
| 19:42.19 | Think_differentl | i use the -directory option, and speicfy where the fonts are but it still wont load. |
| 19:42.31 | Think_differentl | is there any way to reverse this? |
| 19:42.42 | Think_differentl | i've deleted all traces of bzflag |
| 19:42.48 | brad | you specify the data dir not the font dir I think |
| 19:42.51 | Think_differentl | and have tried to install and get working 2.0.8 |
| 19:43.08 | Think_differentl | well i did both. |
| 19:44.47 | blast007 | delete your config |
| 19:45.08 | Think_differentl | where is it? i checked for com.apple stuff. |
| 19:45.53 | blast007 | http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/ConfigFile |
| 19:46.40 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/Roaming.h: behave as documented. return null for getTargetTank/getTargetFlag if there is no tank or flag targetted because the current mode does not allow it. |
| 19:46.55 | Think_differentl | ah, thanks. |
| 19:47.08 | DTRemenak | uso: there you go |
| 19:47.46 | uso | DTRemenak: thanks :) |
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| 20:31.32 | Think_differentl | http://pastebin.ca/66344 |
| 20:31.33 | Think_differentl | look at that |
| 20:31.36 | Think_differentl | :S |
| 20:31.59 | Gnurdux | hes trying to compile 2.1, but he got the same prob with 2.0.. and hes using no configure options |
| 20:32.11 | Think_differentl | :S |
| 20:32.40 | Gnurdux | and hes on OSX |
| 20:32.57 | Think_differentl | 10.4.65 |
| 20:37.00 | blast007 | it appears to be *checks his list* SIMM crosstalk |
| 20:37.14 | Think_differentl | SIMM? |
| 20:37.20 | blast007 | yeah |
| 20:37.22 | Think_differentl | how can i fix it |
| 20:37.26 | blast007 | ... |
| 20:37.33 | Think_differentl | :S |
| 20:37.46 | JeffM2501 | you have 2 copies of the regex libs |
| 20:38.01 | Think_differentl | an i get ridof them? |
| 20:38.33 | JeffM2501 | this from a normal configure? |
| 20:38.38 | Think_differentl | yep. |
| 20:38.46 | JeffM2501 | odd |
| 20:38.58 | Think_differentl | i lost the whole consold |
| 20:38.59 | Think_differentl | e |
| 20:39.00 | JeffM2501 | brlcad would be the one to know what's up wiht it |
| 20:39.01 | Think_differentl | sorry boug that |
| 20:39.09 | JeffM2501 | I've seen it before, but don't remember the solution |
| 20:39.51 | Think_differentl | how'd i get two regex libs? |
| 20:40.00 | JeffM2501 | bzflag includes it's own |
| 20:40.05 | Think_differentl | ooo. |
| 20:40.07 | JeffM2501 | and you probably have one one your sytem already |
| 20:40.12 | Think_differentl | probbly. |
| 20:40.12 | JeffM2501 | not all systems have regex |
| 20:40.26 | JeffM2501 | configure is suposed to detect yours and not use the BZ one |
| 20:40.30 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 20:40.30 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: redesign quit menu: |
| 20:40.30 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: add real options for yes and no for people who don't read instructions well. |
| 20:40.30 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: add non-persistent option to save settings or not when quitting. |
| 20:40.30 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: remove save settings option from main menu. |
| 20:40.34 | JeffM2501 | but it does not look like that is working |
| 20:40.54 | Think_differentl | yeha |
| 20:40.57 | JeffM2501 | so you need to ask brlcad |
| 20:41.08 | JeffM2501 | he wrote that part of the build system for the mac |
| 20:41.25 | JeffM2501 | but he's in and out so you may have to wait for an answer |
| 20:41.40 | Think_differentl | okey |
| 20:41.44 | JeffM2501 | best is to send him a PM and let him answer when he can |
| 20:41.57 | Think_differentl | over th3e fourms? |
| 20:42.04 | JeffM2501 | that or here |
| 20:42.09 | JeffM2501 | if you can stay loged in here. |
| 20:42.14 | Think_differentl | i can. |
| 20:42.18 | DTRemenak | comments on that last commit are welcome, btw |
| 20:42.38 | brlcad | regex has nothing to do with it, those are just warnings |
| 20:42.39 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, I like the allusion to the inner strugle of humanity in the commit |
| 20:42.48 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 20:42.53 | JeffM2501 | or we can just say brlcad enough and he'll answer ;) |
| 20:42.55 | Think_differentl | hmm. |
| 20:43.14 | brlcad | That is a problem with SDL and a busted Quicktime that Apple shipped |
| 20:43.24 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, but the use of the color green there is in stark constrast to traditional values |
| 20:43.30 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 20:43.37 | Think_differentl | how would i fix it? |
| 20:43.38 | brlcad | Think_differentl: you have to downgrade Quicktime .. there's a link on the Apple downloads section |
| 20:43.44 | Think_differentl | ok. |
| 20:43.48 | Think_differentl | to what version? |
| 20:43.55 | brlcad | it's just a minor downgrade, no functionality lost really |
| 20:44.01 | brlcad | it's the only one they provide |
| 20:44.03 | JeffM2501 | I thought that was only busted for 10.3 |
| 20:44.19 | brlcad | hmm |
| 20:44.32 | brlcad | hold that thought then |
| 20:44.39 | brlcad | you using fink? |
| 20:44.45 | Think_differentl | fink? |
| 20:44.51 | brlcad | where's SDL come from? |
| 20:45.00 | Think_differentl | the sdl page |
| 20:45.13 | Think_differentl | i downloaeded |
| 20:45.16 | brlcad | did you just upgrade your system? |
| 20:45.16 | Think_differentl | and installed |
| 20:45.20 | Think_differentl | nope. |
| 20:45.23 | Think_differentl | its new |
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| 20:45.37 | brlcad | did you install the 10.3 SDL binary? |
| 20:45.46 | Think_differentl | hmm. |
| 20:45.53 | Think_differentl | i installed what was under downloads |
| 20:45.58 | brlcad | you've got a library mismatch somewhere |
| 20:46.14 | Think_differentl | hmm |
| 20:46.17 | brlcad | those symbol errors mean that some stuff was compiled with new gcc and some stuff was compiled with old gcc |
| 20:46.37 | brlcad | the quicktime thing causes that but that should only be 10.3 |
| 20:46.50 | Think_differentl | well im donwloading 7.1.1 now. |
| 20:46.51 | brlcad | fink causes that, and you have to blow it away |
| 20:46.53 | Think_differentl | like you said |
| 20:47.23 | brlcad | you sure you never used fink? you don't have a /sw directory? |
| 20:47.29 | Think_differentl | nope. |
| 20:47.36 | Think_differentl | i dont even know what a /sw directroy is |
| 20:48.04 | brlcad | did you install curl yourself? |
| 20:48.15 | Think_differentl | curl.... |
| 20:48.22 | Think_differentl | nope. i just got sdl. |
| 20:48.28 | Think_differentl | draagged and droped |
| 20:48.53 | brlcad | k |
| 20:49.02 | brlcad | "probably" happened to get a 10.3 framework |
| 20:49.07 | Think_differentl | hmm. |
| 20:49.48 | brlcad | make sure the 7.1.1 specifically notes somewhere that it's good for 10.4 |
| 20:49.57 | I_Died_Once | ~seen sportchick |
| 20:50.17 | ibot | sportchick <n=SportChi@herbch-cuda2-69-167-171-199.vnnyca.adelphia.net> was last seen on IRC in channel ##essy, 1d 2h 44m 46s ago, saying: '~lart nessybot for bad language on ##essy'. |
| 20:50.17 | brlcad | should "make clean" just in case too |
| 20:50.17 | I_Died_Once | >seen sportchick |
| 20:50.17 | I_Died_Once | <seen sportchick |
| 20:50.41 | Think_differentl | make clean? |
| 20:51.27 | Think_differentl | the mac os donwload page says 7.1.1. is good for 10.3.9 or later |
| 20:52.21 | Think_differentl | http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/apple/quicktime711.html |
| 20:52.45 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/QuitMenu.cxx: unused var |
| 20:54.34 | Think_differentl | so is the quicktime ok? |
| 20:55.37 | Think_differentl | or should i get Quicktime 7.0.4 |
| 20:56.19 | brlcad | the one that I think was the problem was http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/quicktime701reinstallerforquicktime704.html |
| 20:56.32 | brlcad | but seriously, check sdl first |
| 20:57.23 | brlcad | you will basically have to match whichever sdl you use and what your frameworks use |
| 20:59.02 | Think_differentl | http://www.libsdl.org/download-1.2.php |
| 20:59.06 | Think_differentl | thats the sdl that i have |
| 21:00.28 | Think_differentl | under the stable release |
| 21:00.39 | brlcad | it doesn't say which it was made for |
| 21:00.47 | Think_differentl | i know. |
| 21:00.56 | brlcad | ergo.. |
| 21:00.59 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/HUDuiFrame.cxx: smooth dem lines |
| 21:01.02 | Think_differentl | ergo? |
| 21:01.35 | brlcad | it means you either have to figure that out (contact them, try #libsdl, or stfw, or whatever) or compile sdl yourself |
| 21:02.15 | brlcad | if they say "it should work on 10.3 or later" then they're lying to you |
| 21:02.47 | trepan | DTRemenak: like the frame |
| 21:03.00 | brlcad | if it was compiled for 10.4, then you should be good to go and you can check into quicktime |
| 21:03.13 | Think_differentl | then should i compile it myself |
| 21:04.20 | DTRemenak | trepan: cool, thanks. the quit menu was partly an experiment for the frame...I mostly implemented it for another idea I had, which I haven't finished yet. |
| 21:04.44 | trepan | might be nice to add a background tint color to the class |
| 21:04.54 | DTRemenak | that could be cool |
| 21:04.56 | trepan | although I guess that mighten work out well with the gaps |
| 21:05.03 | trepan | (would look odd) |
| 21:05.19 | trepan | or stylin', beats me :) |
| 21:05.25 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 21:08.44 | JeffM2501 | anyone know "BLASTER Wisconsin"? |
| 21:09.00 | DTRemenak | not offhand |
| 21:10.50 | JeffM2501 | dude needs to learn to read his bzbb PMS |
| 21:11.01 | JeffM2501 | and stop uploading inaprorate avatars |
| 21:11.39 | CBG | JeffM2501: I know of him, sure. |
| 21:11.54 | JeffM2501 | if you see him around, can you tell him to read his PMs |
| 21:12.32 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 21:12.40 | DTRemenak | he should be getting a message from his client to check them even |
| 21:12.40 | JeffM2501 | and that it's not cool to use avatars with the word "S**T" in em |
| 21:12.44 | CBG | Will do. He uses IRC occasionally, so... :) |
| 21:12.46 | JeffM2501 | Iknow |
| 21:13.10 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 21:13.18 | Think_differentl | okey |
| 21:13.20 | DTRemenak | should probably turn on email notification or something :) |
| 21:13.23 | Think_differentl | ima compiling SDL |
| 21:13.49 | DTRemenak | CBG: I play...well, sometimes... |
| 21:13.57 | CBG | DTRemenak: once a week? |
| 21:14.04 | DTRemenak | probably not :) |
| 21:14.06 | CBG | once a month even? |
| 21:14.08 | CBG | :P |
| 21:14.16 | DTRemenak | probably hit once a month, yeah :) |
| 21:14.32 | CBG | Ever killed anyone? :P |
| 21:14.33 | DTRemenak | every once in a while someone pulls me into a game of decks or something |
| 21:14.54 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: hrm, I wonder if I should change my avatar then |
| 21:16.06 | JeffM2501 | I don't consider Damn a curse word |
| 21:16.07 | CBG | "damn"s hardly even a swearword at all... :) |
| 21:16.10 | JeffM2501 | it's used on TV |
| 21:16.49 | CBG | TheRedBaron: gonna play tonight? I got that urge to kick some butt again :P |
| 21:16.59 | TheRedBaron | CBG: what time? |
| 21:17.14 | CBG | hmm, maybe 1 AM my time |
| 21:17.18 | TheRedBaron | a travesty tends to be a night owl |
| 21:17.30 | CBG | so, would be probably 8PM yours |
| 21:17.31 | TheRedBaron | oh, i'll be at a friends house then |
| 21:17.38 | CBG | friend? huh? |
| 21:17.48 | CBG | >dict friend |
| 21:17.49 | TheRedBaron | scary eh? |
| 21:17.54 | CBG | ~dict friend |
| 21:18.11 | CBG | oh, one of those things in real life? |
| 21:18.44 | TheRedBaron | I think so, he invited me to his house anyway |
| 21:18.52 | CBG | wow, lucker :) |
| 21:23.37 | Think_differentl | um |
| 21:23.44 | Think_differentl | i compiled sdl. is that it? |
| 21:31.35 | Think_differentl | i get the same error |
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| 22:24.22 | JoA_Farore_MCTS | hello all |
| 22:24.32 | uso | DTRemenak: sound circumstantial to have to set a switch and quit to save options |
| 22:24.33 | JoA_Farore_MCTS | anyone seen LePoulpe around here recently? |
| 22:25.05 | uso | do bots "see" a player with CL if radar is disabled? |
| 22:25.13 | Mr_Molez | JoA_Farore_MCTS: hes normally on early in the morning gmt |
| 22:25.39 | JoA_Farore_MCTS | Mr Molez, when last did you see him here? |
| 22:26.42 | Mr_Molez | JoA_Farore_MCTS: he left here at 14:48gmt |
| 22:26.50 | TheRedBaron | ~seen leopoulpe303 |
| 22:27.01 | ibot | i haven't seen 'leopoulpe303', TheRedBaron |
| 22:27.06 | Mr_Molez | wait hmm... 13:48 gmt :p |
| 22:27.25 | JoA_Farore_MCTS | acursed Dvorak! |
| 22:27.27 | TheRedBaron | might help if I can spell |
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| 22:28.15 | Mr_Molez | TheRedBaron: dont worry i dont think anyone expects much of you ;) |
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| 22:34.33 | JoA_Farore_MCTS | haha |
| 22:34.34 | JoA_Farore_MCTS | thanks |
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| 23:06.58 | uso | sprintf(buffer, bdl->getLocalString("%.1f").c_str(), unneeded translation in HUDRenderer::renderStatus, v2.0.8 |
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| 23:25.10 | trepan | quick way to add BZDBCache style vars, without modding the toplevel headers |
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