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| 00:21.54 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, do you reember what the problem with the obj converter on the mac was? |
| 00:41.26 | uso | has there anything changed with the lightning between 2.0.4 and 2.0.8? with 2.0.8 the map on a mofo server (mofo.kick-ass.net:4200) is mostly dark, even worse darkness changes with movement, no such problems with 2.0.4 |
| 00:41.43 | uso | http://84.72.8.253/bzflag/ |
| 00:42.33 | uso | all 2.0.8 screenshots are from the same position, i only have turned the tank slightly |
| 00:44.27 | trepan | can you adjust your brightness? |
| 00:45.20 | uso | it's on the same level for both versions, and it's ok for other maps with 2.0.8 |
| 00:47.23 | trepan | someone posted an SDL gamma setting bug lately, i applied the patch yesterday when I upgraded SDL and my brightness control didn't work |
| 00:47.45 | trepan | that's to explain why I asked. as to what your problem is... is it the exact same map? |
| 00:48.01 | uso | it's different even within the map, check bzfi0017.png |
| 00:48.30 | uso | see the border between the dark and the bright part at the ground |
| 00:49.22 | trepan | no, the ground all looks very dark to me |
| 00:49.54 | uso | sorry, wrong one, the bzfi0001.png |
| 00:50.52 | uso | thought the enumeration was fixed ;) |
| 00:51.28 | trepan | same in high and experimental quality modes? |
| 00:51.47 | trepan | ya, i don't like the enumeration method that's in there now, use my own |
| 00:55.18 | uso | trepan: yes, the same with high and experimental, changing with only a slight turn of the tank, see 0002 to 0005 |
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| 01:07.47 | uso | with experimental there are even less positions and view angles where the ground has the normal brightness, compared to high settings |
| 01:16.43 | uso | brightness setting inside of bzflag seems not to have an effect on the screenshots |
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| 01:37.35 | A-Delusion | uso .. mofo FFA has fog, turn the fog off. |
| 01:37.42 | A-Delusion | 2.0.4 was before fog |
| 01:42.37 | uso | owww, i would have bet i have all effects off, but surprisingly fog was the only one switched on |
| 01:42.59 | uso | although, somewhat strange fog :) |
| 01:43.08 | uso | thanks A-Delusion |
| 01:44.06 | uso | trepan: fog was switched on ("fast") |
| 01:44.06 | A-Delusion | np |
| 01:44.43 | A-Delusion | darthvader spen some time setting fog the way he wants it. |
| 01:45.03 | A-Delusion | I don't like it eaither |
| 01:45.38 | uso | yeah, but doesn't look like fog at all for me :) |
| 01:46.03 | uso | gives strange effects while moving/turning |
| 01:46.39 | uso | happily we can switch it off |
| 01:48.14 | A-Delusion | that's what he figures, if you don't like it, just turn it off |
| 01:56.29 | trepan | uso: any diff between fast and nice fog modes for you? |
| 01:58.18 | I_Died_Once | well, speaking of mofo... we're getting a game up of red vs blue CTF, everyone is invited |
| 01:58.31 | I_Died_Once | 216.55.160.43 port 4265 |
| 01:58.35 | I_Died_Once | pony up |
| 01:59.56 | uso | trepan: no, at least not at this mofo server |
| 02:00.40 | trepan | vidcard? (and that definitely solved your problem?) |
| 02:01.13 | uso | switching fog off solved the problem, looks like 2.0.4 without fog |
| 02:01.20 | uso | radeon 9200 |
| 02:01.33 | uso | the usual troublemaker ;) |
| 02:02.04 | trepan | ati drivers... |
| 02:02.11 | uso | no, xfree |
| 02:02.44 | uso | ati's are too unstable, freezing the system too often |
| 02:06.16 | uso | but ... same effect with the black areas at mofo also with an i845G with fog on |
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| 03:16.16 | A_Meteorite | masterban doesn't seem to work |
| 03:16.25 | A_Meteorite | someone by the IP of 69.119.240.73 is masterbanned and he plays fin |
| 03:16.27 | A_Meteorite | *fine |
| 03:25.18 | ruskie | never had much probs with them... but then I always used the Free ati drivers |
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| 03:28.13 | A_Meteorite | JeffM2501: slight masterban problem |
| 03:28.33 | A_Meteorite | The IP 69.119.240.73 is masterbanned yet the person at my server is a regular. I think something is wrong with masterban... |
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| 03:31.52 | JeffM2501 | who was the ban for? |
| 03:32.18 | A_Meteorite | star wars, aka YOUR DEAD |
| 03:32.28 | JeffM2501 | and the person on your server is? |
| 03:33.45 | A_Meteorite | YOUR DEAD |
| 03:33.48 | A_Meteorite | same exact IP |
| 03:33.54 | A_Meteorite | but he plays absolutely fine |
| 03:33.58 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 03:34.06 | JeffM2501 | so |
| 03:34.10 | JeffM2501 | then he's being good |
| 03:34.12 | JeffM2501 | that's good |
| 03:34.14 | A_Meteorite | so... |
| 03:34.20 | A_Meteorite | Why isn't masterban working? |
| 03:34.25 | bryjen | hmm |
| 03:34.26 | JeffM2501 | are you loading it? |
| 03:34.28 | A_Meteorite | (he still talks in all uppercase) |
| 03:34.32 | A_Meteorite | I thought it was on default? |
| 03:34.37 | JeffM2501 | check your ban list |
| 03:34.40 | JeffM2501 | is he part of it? |
| 03:34.44 | A_Meteorite | looking |
| 03:34.57 | JeffM2501 | is your server public? |
| 03:35.01 | A_Meteorite | yes |
| 03:35.06 | JeffM2501 | then we will try to load it |
| 03:35.11 | JeffM2501 | unless you tell us not to |
| 03:35.13 | A_Meteorite | yes, he's on it |
| 03:35.21 | JeffM2501 | maybe the load failed for some reason |
| 03:35.26 | bryjen | http://www.bzflag.org/master-bans.txt doesn't match what the web cvs thing shows |
| 03:35.30 | A_Meteorite | the very top his IP has an (m) next to it |
| 03:35.50 | JeffM2501 | then you have to check your groups and see if you added him to a group that has anitban |
| 03:36.51 | JeffM2501 | cus it's not masterban that isn't working it's your servers ban system |
| 03:37.17 | A_Meteorite | nope, he's in none of my groups |
| 03:37.30 | JeffM2501 | then you need to find out why your server won't ban |
| 03:37.32 | A_Meteorite | and I don't hand out antiban to EVERYONE or LOCAL.GLOBAL |
| 03:37.38 | JeffM2501 | cus you loaded the masterban |
| 03:37.38 | A_Meteorite | it bans people if I use /ban :) |
| 03:37.51 | JeffM2501 | then debug it and see why |
| 03:38.04 | A_Meteorite | uh |
| 03:38.05 | JeffM2501 | masterban just merges the master ban list into your local ban list |
| 03:38.05 | A_Meteorite | ok |
| 03:38.09 | I_Died_Once | you'd need someone master banned to fully test it |
| 03:38.29 | JeffM2501 | or change your masterban URL to something local |
| 03:38.52 | JeffM2501 | or if your fine with him being there, then do nothing |
| 03:39.00 | A_Meteorite | he's there if I do /masterban list |
| 03:39.24 | JeffM2501 | then why didn't your server ban him? |
| 03:39.30 | A_Meteorite | that's what I don't get |
| 03:39.45 | A_Meteorite | I'll just do a local ban *sighs* ;) |
| 03:40.02 | A_Meteorite | His ALL-CAPS speaking is very annoying |
| 03:40.21 | I_Died_Once | ... /mute |
| 03:41.09 | JeffM2501 | like take his talk perm away |
| 03:41.12 | JeffM2501 | simple |
| 03:41.21 | A_Meteorite | you need a userdb for that, right? |
| 03:41.22 | JeffM2501 | if he's global |
| 03:41.24 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 03:41.25 | A_Meteorite | Or every restart? |
| 03:41.28 | A_Meteorite | heh |
| 03:41.30 | JeffM2501 | userdb can do it |
| 03:41.39 | JeffM2501 | is he globaly IDed? |
| 03:41.41 | A_Meteorite | Probably will do a plugin later on... just store everyone in a text file... |
| 03:41.42 | A_Meteorite | Yes |
| 03:41.50 | A_Meteorite | "YOUR DEAD" |
| 03:42.00 | JeffM2501 | A_Meteorite, so that text file is then the same as a userDB |
| 03:42.03 | JeffM2501 | what's the dif? |
| 03:42.16 | JeffM2501 | add him to user db and explicidly deny him the talk perm |
| 03:42.16 | A_Meteorite | I heard that there could be group conflicts and stuff when you use userdb |
| 03:42.24 | JeffM2501 | only if you do it wrong |
| 03:42.28 | bryjen | create a mute group and add him to it |
| 03:42.36 | JeffM2501 | that would do it too |
| 03:42.40 | A_Meteorite | yeah |
| 03:42.43 | JeffM2501 | there are many ways |
| 03:43.20 | A_Meteorite | as long as he doesn't unsubscribe :D |
| 03:43.46 | JeffM2501 | do it as a local group |
| 03:43.49 | JeffM2501 | with no passdb |
| 03:43.54 | JeffM2501 | he can't use the local functions |
| 03:44.00 | A_Meteorite | ok |
| 03:44.36 | I_Died_Once | ...Met: what about a "local" banfile to use for all servers on Beeps? |
| 03:45.03 | A_Meteorite | Wrong channel. ;) |
| 03:45.29 | I_Died_Once | that way, ANY server hosted on that machine could use it, |
| 03:45.31 | I_Died_Once | oops, yeah |
| 03:48.27 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03trepan 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/ (3 files in 3 dirs): playing around |
| 03:49.27 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03trepan 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/common/BZDBLocal.cxx: no assert.h |
| 03:50.00 | trepan | couple of advantages, data can't be directly modified, and it can be set file static... |
| 03:50.44 | trepan | (and the callbacks are automatically installed) |
| 03:52.15 | trepan | dig those cast operators... |
| 03:52.55 | bryjen | src/bzflag/bzflag.cxx:675: undefined reference to `BZDBLocalManager::manager' |
| 03:53.06 | trepan | silly makefiles |
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| 03:53.46 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03trepan 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/common/Makefile.am: BZDBLocal.cxx |
| 03:53.50 | *** part/#bzflag Tanner (n=chatzill@adsl-068-209-251-067.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) |
| 03:54.34 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03trepan 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/include/Makefile.am: BZDBLocal.h |
| 04:21.43 | uso | ruskie: what do you mean with free ati drivers? the opensource drivers in xfree/xorg or the drivers you can download from ati (which are non-free for my understanding)? |
| 04:22.22 | trepan | free as in beer? |
| 04:22.40 | uso | have you tried mofo.kick-ass.net:4200 with Effects:Fog on? |
| 04:22.49 | uso | where's the free beer? :) |
| 04:23.28 | trepan | i've tried all kinds of maps with fog on, my drivers/cards don't suck |
| 04:23.55 | trepan | (plus, i have the advantage of having written the code, so I woulda fixed it for my cards :) |
| 04:24.03 | uso | hehe, would be hard if YOUR card/drivers would have problems with bzflag ;) |
| 04:24.48 | trepan | but intel integrated and ati drivers ain't the shiniest |
| 04:24.58 | uso | i know :) |
| 04:25.11 | trepan | still odd that they're both failing in the same way, something un init'ed ? |
| 04:25.24 | uso | intel is not even a shiny card ;) |
| 04:25.41 | uso | but one of the best supported by opensource drivers |
| 04:26.21 | trepan | yup, that's about where my devotion to OSS falls apart |
| 04:26.27 | trepan | no way i'm using the nv driver |
| 04:27.07 | uso | i don't know any other recent card with halfway opensource 3D support |
| 04:27.25 | trepan | i don't know any |
| 04:27.35 | uso | :) |
| 04:27.47 | uso | halfway :) |
| 04:28.49 | uso | you probably have some of the expensive nvidia cards? |
| 04:29.11 | trepan | midrange, 6800gt |
| 04:29.25 | trepan | stuck with my GF3 for as long as i could |
| 04:29.36 | uso | $200+ ? |
| 04:30.04 | trepan | something like that |
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| 04:30.53 | trepan | i've had nothing but bliss from the nvidia drivers on linux |
| 04:31.05 | trepan | (have heard ATI's are a nuisance) |
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| 04:32.53 | uso | only bloody unstable ... if you know the good old ftape driver in his early days ... the ati driver crashed my system more often :( |
| 04:34.05 | uso | hmm, 6800gt ... more $300 here :( |
| 04:35.23 | Legoguy | my 5900 cost a nice $200 back when i bought it <_< |
| 04:37.59 | Legoguy | i sold an ati rage pro turbo 8mb in our garage sale today for $3, lol |
| 04:38.36 | purple_cow | lol! |
| 04:38.48 | JeffM2501 | got a 6200 for my neice today for 60$ |
| 04:39.18 | Legoguy | nice |
| 04:40.18 | Legoguy | i wonder how my 7400 go compares to my 5900, haven't tested them against each other yet |
| 04:41.50 | uso | and now she plays bzflag? |
| 04:51.18 | JeffM2501 | my neice plays WoW |
| 05:19.15 | ruskie | uso, Free not free :) that's the diff :) |
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| 09:26.25 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03trepan 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/ (src/common/BZDBLocal.cxx include/BZDBLocal.h): ease of use, add persistence option |
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| 10:18.42 | gsnedders | are there any plans to make some GUI for -echo? |
| 10:21.40 | trepan | huh? |
| 10:22.24 | gsnedders | so it can be done within the client, without starting it from the CLI |
| 10:22.50 | trepan | you mean, like say, a console window? |
| 10:23.04 | gsnedders | a way more of saving it to a file |
| 10:24.02 | trepan | i add /savemsgs a while ago ... |
| 10:25.05 | trepan | tip: "/savemsgs -s" to strip the ANSI color sequences |
| 10:25.16 | trepan | try: /cmds |
| 10:25.48 | gsnedders | but outside of the client? |
| 10:26.28 | trepan | what? |
| 10:28.04 | gsnedders | documentation of the command outside of the client |
| 10:28.18 | purple_cow | that's for chumps |
| 10:28.23 | gsnedders | trepan: like on http://bzflag.org/wiki/KeysAndCommands |
| 10:29.18 | trepan | couldn't care less |
| 10:30.02 | gsnedders | is there _any_ documentation on how it works? at all? |
| 10:30.18 | gsnedders | hell, /save? says no commands starting with /save |
| 10:30.29 | trepan | that's cause /save? is server side |
| 10:31.00 | trepan | (that's not doc'ed either :) |
| 10:31.18 | gsnedders | two questions: how am I meant to know that /savemsgs works, and how am I meant to know how to use it? |
| 10:31.20 | ToughShooter | Who needs documentation? |
| 10:31.35 | gsnedders | ToughShooter: I'm meant to just randomly type things? |
| 10:31.43 | ToughShooter | sarcasm |
| 10:32.48 | ToughShooter | It is like when you try to do /localset with quick keys. This can't work because of the way it is implemented. Found not docs about it.. |
| 10:34.03 | gsnedders | so, if a command exists, how can I get it to run automatically every time the client quits? |
| 10:34.32 | trepan | mod your client |
| 10:34.48 | gsnedders | trepan: yes, but change what? where? |
| 10:35.26 | trepan | well now, that's hard to say |
| 10:37.18 | trepan | ditto babe, ditto |
| 12:28.56 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03trepan 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/ (include/BZDBCache.h src/common/BZDBCache.cxx): |
| 12:28.56 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: - protect BZDBCache data from outside writes |
| 12:28.56 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: (there is one spot in RadarRenderer that might need a float cast, |
| 12:28.56 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: I can't commit to that file right now) |
| 12:28.57 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: - changed linedRadarShots and sizedRadarShots to floats |
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| 14:45.43 | PuMpErNiCkLe | weird, the client won't switch to 'windowed' mode on xfce4 |
| 14:51.02 | PuMpErNiCkLe | ...unless I specificy -window at startup |
| 14:51.09 | I_Died_Once | F4 |
| 14:52.45 | PuMpErNiCkLe | F1 |
| 14:53.09 | PuMpErNiCkLe | s/specificy/specify/ o_O |
| 15:05.57 | I_Died_Once | nominally, pressing F4 while in oplay switches from fullscreen to window'd |
| 15:05.58 | I_Died_Once | i think |
| 15:11.25 | PuMpErNiCkLe | I have it mapped to F1. |
| 15:12.44 | blast007 | F4 is defaulted to minimize the client |
| 15:12.58 | blast007 | F1 is for changing from windowed to fullscreen and back |
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| 15:38.47 | tuxipuxi | hi, how can i set a different resolution for bzflag? it's using 2880x1200 even if i change it in ~/.bzf/2.9 |
| 15:38.53 | tuxipuxi | 2.0/config.cfg |
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| 15:58.18 | gsnedders | Pimpinella: ping |
| 16:11.28 | CBG | hey tuxipuxi, make sure there is no # at the start of the line where you are changing the resolution |
| 16:15.38 | tuxipuxi | cbbbbbbbgggggggggggg |
| 16:15.41 | tuxipuxi | CBG: ok |
| 16:17.20 | CBG | tuxiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiipuxiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii :) the '#' shows the line is a comment |
| 16:17.51 | CBG | the only other thing I can suggest is to delete the config.cfg and start up bzflag again - it will create a new, default config.cfg for you. :) |
| 16:19.05 | tuxipuxi | oki |
| 16:19.08 | tuxipuxi | thx |
| 16:19.56 | CBG | np :) |
| 16:23.53 | blast007 | or run in a window, and then choose a resolution in-game |
| 16:23.58 | blast007 | bzflag -window |
| 16:24.41 | CBG | or that, tuxipuxi ^ :) |
| 16:25.22 | tuxipuxi | set resolution "1600x1200 " doesn't work |
| 16:26.03 | tuxipuxi | blast007: select where? |
| 16:27.02 | CBG | tuxipuxi: in the command line, run bzflag with this option: |
| 16:27.04 | CBG | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:27.13 | tuxipuxi | i did |
| 16:28.15 | CBG | k, and in the menu -> Options -> Display Settings -> Change Vidoe Format |
| 16:28.23 | CBG | s/Vidoe/Video/ |
| 16:31.57 | tuxipuxi | CBG: i don't have that option |
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| 16:37.22 | CBG | tuxipuxi: oh :/ |
| 16:37.28 | CBG | what version of bz? |
| 16:37.40 | tuxipuxi | Preparing to replace bzflag 2.0.8.20060603 |
| 16:38.03 | CBG | I have the Mac Binary of 2.0.8 and it has those optiosn |
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| 16:38.20 | tuxipuxi | CBG: fix it |
| 16:40.18 | blast007 | I didn't see the option either with 2.0.6 on windows when I ran with -window |
| 16:40.36 | blast007 | but I thought it was just because I was going through Remote Desktop to my home PC |
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| 16:48.56 | Pimpinella | gsnedders: tell me in query, i?ll read later |
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| 17:54.32 | gsnedders | anybody got any good, easy to understand definitions of jitter? |
| 17:54.42 | gsnedders | (that they don't mind me stealing and using) |
| 17:54.48 | A_Meteorite | when packets arrive in the wrong order, IIRC |
| 17:54.58 | A_Meteorite | and that's the amount of time between them |
| 17:54.59 | JeffM2501 | variations in lag |
| 17:55.07 | JeffM2501 | basicly how "off" the DR is |
| 17:55.18 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501:Did http://my.bzflag.org/db/ work also with https at beginning with old box? |
| 17:55.21 | A_Meteorite | JeffM2501: So I totally missed the nail? |
| 17:55.38 | JeffM2501 | A_Meteorite, yes |
| 17:55.46 | JeffM2501 | there is no "order" to player updates |
| 17:55.51 | A_Meteorite | hmmm... guess whoever told me that was wrong :) |
| 17:55.57 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, yes |
| 17:56.13 | A_Meteorite | DR? If you told me that I may understand... |
| 17:56.19 | JeffM2501 | the jiter value is computed off a number of things |
| 17:56.32 | ToughShooter | Why was it disabled? I would like to make my password less readable for others.. |
| 17:56.32 | JeffM2501 | but it's suposed to be how "off" you are from your predicted paths |
| 17:56.41 | JeffM2501 | aka how much you'll jump around as it corrects |
| 17:56.48 | A_Meteorite | ahh |
| 17:56.51 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, got busted in an aptache upgrade |
| 17:57.00 | JeffM2501 | it will be fixed at some point |
| 17:57.09 | ToughShooter | Any chance to see it back? :( |
| 17:57.14 | JeffM2501 | read up ;) |
| 17:57.44 | JeffM2501 | brlcad is aware of it, and said he's get new certs and get it fixed up at some point |
| 17:57.55 | gsnedders | mmm… so "how far away you are from your predicted path, therefore how much you jump around as the server corrects your movement" |
| 17:59.02 | JeffM2501 | kinda |
| 17:59.08 | JeffM2501 | thats the simple version |
| 17:59.11 | JeffM2501 | there is more on the backend |
| 17:59.23 | gsnedders | I want to keep it simple :) |
| 17:59.43 | JeffM2501 | it is averaged somewhat |
| 17:59.54 | JeffM2501 | chestal knows the most about it |
| 18:00.00 | ToughShooter | The symptoms DR shows is really strange. If I and someone else have both packet loss due to the same bad router in our paths I do not see him jittering..It's astonishing |
| 18:00.41 | gsnedders | "The average distance you are from your predicted path; therefore how much you jump around as the server corrects your movement"? |
| 18:00.52 | gsnedders | to make it sound a little better |
| 18:00.55 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: Cool to read it is being worked on :) thanks for clarification. |
| 18:01.12 | JeffM2501 | well I didn't say it was being worked on ;) |
| 18:01.23 | JeffM2501 | just that he's aware and should get it fixed at some point ;) |
| 18:03.14 | ToughShooter | I interpret that as some sort of sign that it may get its old functionality restored and "he's get new certs and get it fixed up at some point" sounds better to me than doing nothing |
| 18:03.37 | JeffM2501 | true |
| 18:04.25 | ToughShooter | A major difference to fix the client side hit detection or introducing a server side one |
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| 18:21.24 | Chestal | ToughShooter: it could be that packages are only delayed randomly by the router in one direction |
| 18:28.22 | ToughShooter | Chestal: Probably but still it makes me wonder ;) |
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| 19:16.22 | Mr_Molez | anyone know where i can find the bzflag 2.0.4 code ? |
| 19:17.18 | DTRemenak | cvs co -r v2_0_4 |
| 19:17.24 | Mr_Molez | :-S |
| 19:17.30 | Mr_Molez | ~bzcvs |
| 19:17.32 | ibot | cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P bzflag (this is for HEAD ie: 2.1 see also bz20cvs) |
| 19:20.12 | JeffM2501 | or the tarball/zip on sf |
| 19:20.38 | I_Died_Once | I know what bzbb needs... |
| 19:20.42 | I_Died_Once | rep points! |
| 19:20.53 | JeffM2501 | you mean like karma? |
| 19:21.01 | I_Died_Once | i think its called that onsome forums |
| 19:21.02 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 19:21.04 | Mr_Molez | couldn't ind a tar or zip on sf |
| 19:21.07 | Mr_Molez | *find |
| 19:21.30 | JeffM2501 | http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=3248&package_id=3165 |
| 19:21.39 | JeffM2501 | the part that say "2.0.4" |
| 19:21.47 | JeffM2501 | and has 2 tarballs and a zip |
| 19:21.52 | Mr_Molez | oh thanks |
| 19:22.01 | JeffM2501 | aka the same place 2.0.8 is ;) |
| 19:22.27 | DTRemenak | I_Died_Once: http://bzflag.org/wiki/KarmaSystem - created three and a half years ago (2002/12/04) |
| 19:23.04 | spldart | hehe |
| 19:23.13 | spldart | was just getting ready to post that link |
| 19:23.22 | CBG | I like how that page links to itself about three times. |
| 19:23.39 | DTRemenak | spldart: you should get ready faster :P |
| 19:23.43 | spldart | heh |
| 19:24.29 | spldart | Can't do anything fast right now... my web server is LOADED! |
| 19:40.59 | wegstar | ~karma I_Died_Once |
| 19:40.59 | ibot | i_died_once has karma of 1 |
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| 21:07.59 | trepan | anybody try compiling v2_0branch with the recent BZDBCache changes? |
| 21:09.48 | PuMpErNiCkLe | Nope. Would you like me to? |
| 21:10.30 | trepan | sry, i should have specified that non-linux/non-gcc compiles are also more important |
| 21:10.57 | trepan | sure, please do :) want to know if the changes thrashed any other builds |
| 21:12.21 | PuMpErNiCkLe | This would be a linux/ICC9.1 build. |
| 21:12.31 | trepan | ICC is different, different is good |
| 21:12.35 | PuMpErNiCkLe | kk |
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| 23:50.11 | Gnurdux | ~karma CBG |
| 23:50.11 | ibot | cbg has karma of -306 |
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