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| 00:06.56 | A_Heart_Attack | can someone help me? |
| 00:07.25 | JeffM2501 | with? |
| 00:07.28 | A_Heart_Attack | whenever i try to open bzflag, its really slow and when i move te arrows up and down it takes forever |
| 00:07.32 | A_Heart_Attack | *ther |
| 00:07.34 | A_Heart_Attack | **the |
| 00:07.43 | JeffM2501 | what does it say for your openGL driver? |
| 00:07.44 | A_Heart_Attack | i didnt have this problem any time before |
| 00:07.51 | A_Heart_Attack | my what? |
| 00:08.06 | JeffM2501 | in the chat box it will say what openGL driver you are using |
| 00:08.13 | A_Heart_Attack | one sec |
| 00:09.05 | A_Heart_Attack | Intel 8656 |
| 00:09.23 | JeffM2501 | do you have more then one copy of bzflag running at a time? |
| 00:09.27 | A_Heart_Attack | no |
| 00:09.35 | JeffM2501 | what OS? |
| 00:09.40 | A_Heart_Attack | windows xp |
| 00:09.55 | A_Heart_Attack | *windows |
| 00:10.01 | JeffM2501 | did you update or install anything with the OS recently? |
| 00:10.11 | DTRemenak | eww intel |
| 00:10.14 | A_Heart_Attack | lol |
| 00:10.15 | A_Heart_Attack | umm |
| 00:10.17 | A_Heart_Attack | i dont think so |
| 00:10.22 | A_Heart_Attack | what do u mean? |
| 00:10.22 | JeffM2501 | yeah it ain't gonna be fast |
| 00:10.32 | JeffM2501 | like install any service packs, or new drivers or anything |
| 00:10.36 | A_Heart_Attack | no |
| 00:10.47 | A_Heart_Attack | not that i know of at least |
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| 00:10.47 | JeffM2501 | well 1) make sure nothign else is running |
| 00:10.51 | JeffM2501 | 2) make sure you have the current drivers |
| 00:11.07 | A_Heart_Attack | ok |
| 00:11.12 | JeffM2501 | and 3) do a spyware check to see if anything is sucking up your CPU |
| 00:11.23 | blast007 | drives from Intel, and not Windows Update ;) |
| 00:11.27 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 00:11.34 | A_Heart_Attack | i have a craload of spyware on my comp and i cant get rid of it-thats probably the proble |
| 00:11.35 | A_Heart_Attack | m |
| 00:11.38 | JeffM2501 | you may also want to make sure you didn't change your quality settings |
| 00:11.46 | JeffM2501 | the intel drivers suck at some of the difrent texture modes. |
| 00:12.00 | JeffM2501 | reinstall windows, that will get rid of it |
| 00:12.05 | A_Heart_Attack | lol |
| 00:12.10 | A_Heart_Attack | i will |
| 00:12.10 | JeffM2501 | then firewall yourself up and you should be clean |
| 00:12.16 | A_Heart_Attack | i know |
| 00:12.22 | JeffM2501 | and for the love of god don't use IE |
| 00:12.35 | A_Heart_Attack | the next time my uncle comes hes gonna do it cuz i dont want ot screw anything up |
| 00:12.40 | DTRemenak | ~bzfrag IE |
| 00:12.41 | ibot | ACTION kills IE with a shot from his BZTank |
| 00:12.42 | A_Heart_Attack | im not |
| 00:13.00 | A_Heart_Attack | firefix for me |
| 00:13.03 | A_Heart_Attack | *firefox |
| 00:17.56 | blast007 | "bzflag runs slow...oh yeah, and I have lots of spyware...help me fix my BZFlag" ;) |
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| 00:18.41 | A_Heart_Attack | i restarted my computer and it helped |
| 00:18.53 | I_Died_Once | Excellent stuff, Jeff..... |
| 00:18.56 | JeffM2501 | you SURE you didn't leave another instance running? |
| 00:18.59 | JeffM2501 | I_Died_Once, ? |
| 00:19.04 | I_Died_Once | This is the stuff signatures are made of |
| 00:19.08 | I_Died_Once | <JeffM2501> and for the love of god don't use IE |
| 00:19.13 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 00:28.03 | I_Died_Once | Soon I discovered that this rock thing was true |
| 00:28.03 | I_Died_Once | Jerry lee lewis was the devil |
| 00:28.03 | I_Died_Once | Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet |
| 00:28.03 | I_Died_Once | All of a sudden, I found myself in love with the world |
| 00:28.03 | I_Died_Once | So there was only one thing that I could do |
| 00:28.04 | I_Died_Once | Was ding a ding dang my dang a long ling long |
| 00:28.14 | I_Died_Once | sorry, wrong window |
| 00:28.54 | I_Died_Once | bonus cool points to whoever can name the groups who;s lyrics those were from.... |
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| 00:49.17 | A-Delusion | ministry |
| 00:52.10 | I_Died_Once | If my Mordor thread proves to be "too much" - just let me know |
| 00:52.17 | A-Delusion | jesus built my hotrod |
| 00:52.25 | I_Died_Once | yep |
| 00:52.42 | I_Died_Once | Did you have to use google to find that out, or did ya know it? |
| 00:52.58 | A-Delusion | I knew immediate;y |
| 00:53.13 | A-Delusion | took me a minute to remember the song name |
| 00:58.45 | Gnurdux | I_Died_Once, can you do me a favor? |
| 00:58.55 | I_Died_Once | depends on what it is |
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| 00:59.16 | Gnurdux | go private |
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| 01:57.07 | A_Heart_Attack | welcome back jeff |
| 01:58.37 | JeffM2501 | mmm raw fish :) |
| 02:02.02 | pyr02k1[a] | ewww |
| 02:03.02 | JeffM2501 | mmmmmmmm |
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| 04:29.45 | A-Delusion | wow, I just borked my application, I used "set _" it said no matching variables, then crashed, now I can get all the way to identify, then the app quits unexpectadly |
| 04:29.56 | A-Delusion | should I delete my config file? |
| 04:33.17 | A-Delusion | doesnt seem to work.. ALL my copies of BZFlag client are now inoperable. |
| 04:35.11 | A-Delusion | 2.1 alpha works |
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| 04:42.35 | cosmos | hrm |
| 04:43.07 | A-Delusion | I'll try downloading a new client |
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| 04:46.08 | A-Delusion | new intel-mac client working... |
| 04:46.24 | Ballard | its doin the same thing to u |
| 04:46.45 | Ballard | everytime u sign on it closes the client |
| 04:47.05 | A-Delusion | you saw that at mofo FFA? |
| 04:47.23 | Ballard | ya im on bzadmin |
| 04:47.28 | Ballard | it wont let me on |
| 04:47.42 | Ballard | it looks like its doin the same thing to u |
| 04:47.54 | Ballard | everytime i join it quits my client |
| 04:48.05 | Ballard | but its only mofo that does it |
| 04:48.18 | A-Delusion | lol I borked the server? |
| 04:48.28 | A-Delusion | using "set _" |
| 04:48.33 | Ballard | i think' |
| 04:48.43 | Ballard | u should restart |
| 04:49.02 | A-Delusion | I can do that |
| 04:49.26 | A-Delusion | OH... the old apps arent broken.. it's only the server |
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| 04:49.43 | Ballard | its doin that to everyone that trys to join |
| 04:49.51 | Ballard | im watching it kick ppl |
| 04:49.51 | A-Delusion | I'll restart it |
| 04:49.55 | Ballard | ok |
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| 05:08.51 | A-Delusion | I shoulda known |
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| 07:24.50 | Manu | brad: I'm not that manu_ |
| 07:25.35 | brad | I know Manu, j/k :) |
| 07:25.49 | Manu | :) |
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| 10:21.50 | Mr_Molez | Birdie: ! |
| 10:28.48 | Mr_Molez | k |
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| 14:57.02 | A_Heart_Attack | morning everyone |
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| 15:30.04 | smallfoot- | when new version come? |
| 15:30.57 | CBG | smallfoot-: I doubt there will be one for a few months now, at least. |
| 15:31.20 | CBG | The next version will be 2.1.0 - I think it won't be out till the end of the year or thereabouts. |
| 15:31.29 | smallfoot- | okie |
| 15:31.37 | smallfoot- | it much new cool things in 2.1. ? |
| 15:31.58 | CBG | A lot of changes, but I don't know what sort of features. |
| 15:32.08 | CBG | They are going to make it much harder to cheat, for one thing. |
| 15:32.14 | CBG | And that's a big job alone. |
| 15:37.56 | ToughShooter | CBG: What do you mean with "much harder to cheat"? |
| 15:38.26 | CBG | They're making as much of it server-side as possible, or at least that's what I remember from a few weeks ago. |
| 15:38.32 | L4m3r | right now, a lot of stuff is client-side that shouldn't be |
| 15:39.12 | ToughShooter | True but there are no important changes in 2.1.x yet in that regard as far as I know |
| 15:39.42 | CBG | Currently, the server depends on the client for too much information, that's what most cheats take advantage of. |
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| 15:40.07 | ToughShooter | CBG: Who is going to change it? |
| 15:40.16 | CBG | uh, the devs..? |
| 15:40.25 | ToughShooter | I doubt it gets changed without someone other than the main devs |
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| 17:24.17 | TD-Linux | JeffM2501: I have an image submitted that hasn't been accepted for a week, could you check it please? |
| 17:25.22 | JeffM2501 | odd, I didn't get an e-mail |
| 17:25.27 | JeffM2501 | what image submiter did you use? |
| 17:25.54 | TD-Linux | both :P |
| 17:26.11 | TD-Linux | the _dmp one, then I realized it was probably the wrong one, and used the non-_dmp one |
| 17:26.18 | TimRiker | anyone have a rackmount server they want to donate to be xmission.bzflag.org ? ;-) |
| 17:26.27 | JeffM2501 | hmm it's not sending me emails |
| 17:26.49 | TD-Linux | I see it in my 'pending' section |
| 17:26.58 | TD-Linux | I could give it to you on ImageShack, if you want |
| 17:27.24 | A_Heart_Attack | TimRiker: rackmount? |
| 17:27.48 | A_Heart_Attack | whats that mean? |
| 17:27.49 | TD-Linux | A_Heart_Attack: meaning it screws onto a rack, like most audio equipment does. |
| 17:28.11 | TD-Linux | ahem... *professional* audio equipment |
| 17:28.25 | TimRiker | A_Heart_Attack: yes. needs to be rackmount to get in the datacenter. |
| 17:28.30 | JeffM2501 | most of that is 18inch racks, PCs are bigger |
| 17:28.31 | A_Heart_Attack | oh |
| 17:28.55 | JeffM2501 | all the images should be doine now |
| 17:29.04 | TD-Linux | okay |
| 17:29.13 | TD-Linux | http://www.gsp.com/facilities/server_rack.jpg |
| 17:29.31 | TD-Linux | TimRiker wants one of those :) |
| 17:30.55 | TD-Linux | JeffM2501: odd, my image dosen't show in the images.bzflag.org/td-linux directory listing |
| 17:31.06 | JeffM2501 | I hit approve on it |
| 17:31.23 | JeffM2501 | did you upload a png or a jpeg? |
| 17:31.32 | TD-Linux | png |
| 17:31.34 | TimRiker | A_Heart_Attack: random google link: http://www.rackmountmart.com/rm1u/rm1103.htm |
| 17:31.35 | JeffM2501 | wierd |
| 17:32.00 | TimRiker | TD-Linux: well, just one of them. :) |
| 17:32.10 | JeffM2501 | I'd rather spend money on geting bzflag.bz a couple more CPUs then yet another server ;) |
| 17:32.52 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: nod. I'm hoping this would be the m.b.o mirror site. lots of bandwidth there. |
| 17:33.17 | JeffM2501 | you gonna setup mirroring on the list server? |
| 17:33.24 | TD-Linux | JeffM2501: the image hasn't showed up yet, nor have I recieved an email. It's on imageshack.... |
| 17:33.31 | TD-Linux | http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/1597/lightning9sv.png |
| 17:33.44 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, no it isn't, you uploaded it to us |
| 17:33.58 | TD-Linux | it's on imageshack also, when I tested the map |
| 17:34.07 | TD-Linux | just in case you needed it |
| 17:34.21 | TD-Linux | oh wait, you wouldn't have, you saw it before you hit accept :P |
| 17:34.38 | JeffM2501 | ok, whatever, the imageshack has nothing to wiht it |
| 17:35.28 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: eventually, yes. list, images, wiki, etc. |
| 17:35.39 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 17:36.08 | TD-Linux | ooh aah |
| 17:36.37 | TD-Linux | so we get to pick the server we want to use, soon? |
| 17:36.43 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 17:36.58 | JeffM2501 | it would be transperant redundancy |
| 17:37.05 | TD-Linux | oh |
| 17:37.35 | TD-Linux | well, that's good too :) |
| 17:37.39 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, what did you put for the author's name of the image? |
| 17:38.02 | TD-Linux | First Name: T |
| 17:38.08 | TD-Linux | Last Name: D-Linux |
| 17:38.23 | JeffM2501 | ahh then I probalby denied it |
| 17:38.26 | JeffM2501 | real names please |
| 17:38.57 | TD-Linux | :/ |
| 17:39.05 | Mr_Molez | joe blog ! |
| 17:39.12 | JeffM2501 | it helps for copyright issues |
| 17:39.27 | TimRiker | TD-Linux: why would you want to pick the server you use? |
| 17:39.30 | TD-Linux | mine are all Public Domain, and all my textures I make myself |
| 17:39.39 | TD-Linux | TimRiker: pick one that is closer, so it is faster, I guess.... |
| 17:39.50 | JeffM2501 | PD still means they can have a copyright |
| 17:39.54 | JeffM2501 | your just leting anyone use them |
| 17:40.00 | JeffM2501 | hence why we want a real author |
| 17:40.16 | JeffM2501 | in case somone comes up and says "hey that image is stolen" |
| 17:40.25 | TD-Linux | aah |
| 17:40.35 | JeffM2501 | cus a lot of people will steal images |
| 17:41.08 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: nitpick: public domain is not subject to copyright |
| 17:41.15 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 17:41.22 | JeffM2501 | well I still want an author :) |
| 17:41.29 | DTRemenak | but we need your name because we need to know YOU didn't steal them ;) |
| 17:41.31 | JeffM2501 | and dude you need to call my boss |
| 17:41.41 | DTRemenak | we don't care about other people stealing them from you |
| 17:42.07 | JeffM2501 | if your still interested that is |
| 17:42.33 | TD-Linux | hmm... can I make my display different than my real name? |
| 17:42.39 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 17:42.56 | JeffM2501 | if your not willing to take proper credit then sorry, no hosting |
| 17:44.16 | JeffM2501 | since copyright and author credit are important to bzflag and open source, it's the same for images. can't just have people ganking stuff off goggle image serach |
| 17:44.20 | JeffM2501 | take pride in your work ;) |
| 17:44.37 | TD-Linux | but it's ugly! :P |
| 17:44.42 | JeffM2501 | so what |
| 17:44.48 | JeffM2501 | it's your name, deal with it |
| 17:44.53 | JeffM2501 | it's time to grow up |
| 17:45.00 | TD-Linux | okay |
| 17:45.14 | TD-Linux | I'll have to ask my 'upper authorities' first, but it'll probably pass :) |
| 17:45.16 | JeffM2501 | you can't hide behind a lame "handle" in the real world ;) |
| 17:45.27 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: sure you can, it's called a pseudonym ;) |
| 17:45.33 | JeffM2501 | and first inital / last name is probably enough |
| 17:45.39 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, not to get a paycheck ;) |
| 17:45.57 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, if you have to ask to use your name, then you probably shoouldn't be uploading |
| 17:46.03 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: actually you can...just because it's complicated doesn't mean it's not legal :) |
| 17:46.08 | JeffM2501 | true |
| 17:46.17 | JeffM2501 | someone somewhere will still have your real name tho |
| 17:46.21 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 17:46.34 | DTRemenak | your bank would need both your pseudonym and your real name, 'cause they want your SSN |
| 17:46.39 | JeffM2501 | and if he went to go get a job and wanted to be called "TD-linux" he'd not be geting that job ;) |
| 17:46.44 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 17:46.50 | JeffM2501 | job needs the SSN too |
| 17:47.12 | TD-Linux | when I was 10 my parents told me never to tell me to use my real name, and I haven't ever had to since. Never hurts to ask. |
| 17:47.20 | TD-Linux | err |
| 17:47.23 | TD-Linux | *never to use |
| 17:47.34 | JeffM2501 | yeah cus if somone knows your real name they can banish you back to your home plane |
| 17:47.44 | DTRemenak | job probably wouldn't check SSN against your name |
| 17:47.45 | TD-Linux | I know, it's terrible |
| 17:47.48 | DTRemenak | banks will :) |
| 17:48.05 | JeffM2501 | job may for direct deposit |
| 17:48.10 | DTRemenak | and now that I think about it, you can get a TPID associated with your pseudonym and not use your SSN anyway |
| 17:48.14 | JeffM2501 | cus who gets a real check in this day in anage. |
| 17:48.19 | DTRemenak | just have to pay taxes twice |
| 17:48.37 | JeffM2501 | freak ;) |
| 17:51.41 | TimRiker | so are we putting copyright in a text comment in the images? That might be a Good Thing. |
| 17:51.57 | JeffM2501 | no, we are puting it in a text file in the same dir |
| 17:52.01 | TimRiker | we should be able to add that to the included images. |
| 17:52.02 | JeffM2501 | easyest thing we could do for now |
| 17:52.10 | TimRiker | is the text file downloaded too? |
| 17:52.10 | JeffM2501 | but yes that would be a good feature |
| 17:52.15 | JeffM2501 | sadly no |
| 17:52.33 | TD-Linux | in my text comment, I always put 'Created by the GIMP', as evidence of my laziness. |
| 17:52.35 | TimRiker | then it's fairly useless, no? the users sees just the file in the local cache. |
| 17:52.36 | JeffM2501 | it's one text file for the entire dir, so it has copyright for each image |
| 17:52.50 | JeffM2501 | yeah, it's not perfect |
| 17:52.53 | JeffM2501 | patches welcome ;) |
| 17:53.00 | JeffM2501 | but at least it's automated |
| 17:53.05 | TimRiker | TD-Linux: ooh! what a nice comment. and unique too so it's easy to identify. :-) |
| 17:53.08 | JeffM2501 | it used to be by hand |
| 17:53.32 | JeffM2501 | they do have it using GD to make previews, so I'm sure it would not be too hard to have it add the copyrright to the image |
| 17:54.04 | TimRiker | jhead will add/edit commented in jpg files. |
| 17:54.15 | JeffM2501 | bzflag dosn't support jpeg files ;) |
| 17:54.36 | TimRiker | heh. I know. still looking for png comment support.. ;-) |
| 17:54.43 | TD-Linux | make sure to have it output the text comment before you accept, as there might be some other copyrights in there :) |
| 17:55.04 | TD-Linux | the GIMP can put comments in PNG's I think. |
| 17:55.12 | TD-Linux | so they have a comment field. |
| 17:55.15 | JeffM2501 | then we'd have to use a real png reader, and that's blasphemy |
| 17:55.33 | TD-Linux | against what? |
| 17:55.41 | JeffM2501 | everything! |
| 17:56.13 | JeffM2501 | optimaly you'd be able to go to a page and view all the copyrights on all the resources for the current map |
| 17:56.22 | JeffM2501 | in game |
| 17:56.26 | TD-Linux | ooh aah |
| 17:56.29 | TD-Linux | that would be nice |
| 17:56.46 | JeffM2501 | cus you can also have sound resources, or music resources too |
| 17:57.06 | TD-Linux | JeffM2501: wow, that sounds hopeful :) |
| 17:57.08 | JeffM2501 | the image hosting is almost more trouble then it's worht |
| 17:57.10 | TD-Linux | that reminds me... |
| 17:57.14 | TD-Linux | I need to test my theory |
| 17:57.30 | JeffM2501 | people trying to PD google image seach images, and mods of art from BZ |
| 17:57.33 | TD-Linux | can I make a fake material with a .wav file as a texture and then play it with a plugin? |
| 17:57.42 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 17:57.45 | JeffM2501 | ish |
| 17:57.50 | JeffM2501 | the sound play is buggy |
| 17:57.57 | JeffM2501 | it can posibly crash some systems |
| 17:58.10 | JeffM2501 | and you don't need to fake it with a material |
| 17:58.21 | JeffM2501 | the plugin can jsut tell bzflag to "download this file" |
| 17:58.32 | JeffM2501 | there is a resource get message |
| 17:58.36 | TD-Linux | nice :) |
| 17:59.12 | JeffM2501 | maybe I can get it all together in a coheisive package for 2.2 |
| 17:59.16 | TD-Linux | hmm, that's an interesting idea.... |
| 17:59.20 | JeffM2501 | cus I want map sounds and stuff |
| 17:59.26 | JeffM2501 | and streams |
| 17:59.33 | TD-Linux | have a / command that gets the full, 'real' map fine from the server |
| 17:59.39 | TD-Linux | *file |
| 17:59.45 | JeffM2501 | why? |
| 17:59.48 | JeffM2501 | we have map saving |
| 17:59.59 | TD-Linux | to get world weapons and comments and 'stuff' |
| 18:00.19 | TD-Linux | and also the liscence in the heading comments, if any I guess |
| 18:00.26 | JeffM2501 | if the author wanted you to have that they would have posted the map on bzbb |
| 18:01.21 | JeffM2501 | soon the maps are going to start to be too large and complex for man readability |
| 18:01.30 | JeffM2501 | specialy if we start doing complex lighting like lightmaps |
| 18:01.39 | TD-Linux | ooh, lightmaps |
| 18:01.47 | JeffM2501 | brad, or at least a debug feature |
| 18:01.57 | JeffM2501 | sometimes it's nice to get the map to try and dupe a crash |
| 18:02.05 | brad | yeah.. |
| 18:02.20 | JeffM2501 | anything to slow down the servers :) |
| 18:02.48 | JeffM2501 | I've pondered changing the map format for 2.2 just to see how many of the servers actualy upgrade and convert :) |
| 18:02.59 | JeffM2501 | kinda like a culling |
| 18:03.11 | TD-Linux | :) |
| 18:03.19 | TD-Linux | C-style, maybe? |
| 18:03.25 | TD-Linux | whateer you do, don't make it XML |
| 18:03.27 | JeffM2501 | that and a tree like sytem for viewing servers would help cleanup |
| 18:03.28 | JeffM2501 | why? |
| 18:03.32 | JeffM2501 | what is wrong with XML? |
| 18:03.50 | JeffM2501 | why would you ever even look at it? |
| 18:03.53 | TD-Linux | it is quite a bit slower to type |
| 18:03.57 | JeffM2501 | why type it |
| 18:04.02 | JeffM2501 | use the editors |
| 18:04.21 | TD-Linux | that reminds me |
| 18:04.34 | JeffM2501 | for lightmaps your talking at least some binary data |
| 18:04.46 | JeffM2501 | so at that point you start to be come non man readable |
| 18:05.06 | TD-Linux | one problem I came across is when I converted BoxyWar to all meshes, everything was white when texturing was off. Can I make alternate materials for when texturing is off? |
| 18:05.32 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 18:06.29 | JeffM2501 | does anyone actualy run complex maps with textures off? |
| 18:06.35 | TD-Linux | the other more irritating problem is that meshes aren't antialiased on radar, while boxes & pyramids are. So the mesh lines are very jaggy, and sometimes become dashed. |
| 18:06.41 | JeffM2501 | even old computers can run low texturing |
| 18:07.03 | JeffM2501 | anti-aliased? |
| 18:07.21 | JeffM2501 | thats blending from the texture scale |
| 18:07.30 | JeffM2501 | I think |
| 18:08.17 | TD-Linux | whatever it is, it blends the pixels nicely for boxes and pyramids, but not for meshes. |
| 18:08.31 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, how about removing depth buffer off, no texturing, and openGL 1.0 support for 2.2 ? |
| 18:08.42 | JeffM2501 | and all that voodoo crap |
| 18:08.55 | TD-Linux | BZFlag supports 3dfx? |
| 18:09.04 | JeffM2501 | and (I know I'm pushing it ) requiring hardware :) |
| 18:09.16 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, it has some code to make it run better on a voodoo |
| 18:09.24 | JeffM2501 | but it's been busted for a while |
| 18:09.41 | TD-Linux | can OpenGL tell if it's on hardware or mesa? |
| 18:09.49 | JeffM2501 | it's not easy |
| 18:09.58 | JeffM2501 | you can parse the renderer |
| 18:10.10 | JeffM2501 | but it's difrent for each OS |
| 18:10.19 | JeffM2501 | software rendering on windows does not say "mesa" |
| 18:10.31 | TD-Linux | so it dosen't sound like a very worthy project, to require hardware :) |
| 18:10.49 | JeffM2501 | umm dude, every game made in the last 5 years needs hardware |
| 18:11.14 | JeffM2501 | I'm not saying make it not run, just say that if you don't have hardware your on your own for performance |
| 18:11.35 | JeffM2501 | so we can clean up some code, and make some easy asumptions |
| 18:11.42 | JeffM2501 | like lists are not slow |
| 18:11.42 | TD-Linux | okay, that's good |
| 18:12.00 | JeffM2501 | and you have texturing |
| 18:12.20 | TD-Linux | yeah, the no-texturing option should go bye-bye |
| 18:12.27 | JeffM2501 | cus we need textures for fonts now anyway, so you can't run BZ in a true no texture mode anyway |
| 18:13.00 | JeffM2501 | they can be done |
| 18:13.03 | JeffM2501 | they look like ass |
| 18:13.04 | TD-Linux | how about ttf2 (i.e. freetype) ? |
| 18:13.21 | JeffM2501 | and convert it into what? |
| 18:13.23 | JeffM2501 | geometry? |
| 18:13.31 | JeffM2501 | that would be slower in software then a texture |
| 18:13.44 | TD-Linux | didn't you use freetype for GPx01? |
| 18:13.48 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:13.55 | JeffM2501 | but it rendered the fonts out to textures |
| 18:14.04 | TD-Linux | why not do that for BZFlag? |
| 18:14.09 | JeffM2501 | it would not work well with bzs tex system |
| 18:14.15 | JeffM2501 | it reloads the state too much |
| 18:14.27 | JeffM2501 | bz does it's own state management and that confilcts with other libs |
| 18:14.39 | JeffM2501 | I also did all my text drawing at one time, bz does it all over the place |
| 18:14.49 | TD-Linux | ok |
| 18:15.02 | JeffM2501 | it can be done, but it's a decent reorg |
| 18:15.13 | JeffM2501 | but the hud needs to be reorged anyway |
| 18:15.26 | JeffM2501 | oh if your on your own project, FTGL is great |
| 18:15.28 | TD-Linux | does it matter what size the font textures in BZFlag are? |
| 18:15.42 | JeffM2501 | yes, it picks the most apropriate size |
| 18:15.59 | JeffM2501 | and you know it's more then just the font image right? |
| 18:16.03 | JeffM2501 | you need the metrics |
| 18:16.42 | TD-Linux | I was going to copy them from some other font |
| 18:16.53 | JeffM2501 | if you change the letters the metrics wont match |
| 18:17.02 | JeffM2501 | the metrics tie directly to the image |
| 18:17.16 | JeffM2501 | there is a tool to make new fonts |
| 18:17.18 | JeffM2501 | fonttool |
| 18:17.39 | JeffM2501 | it'll generate the font texture and the metrics file for any size you want |
| 18:18.32 | TD-Linux | where is it? |
| 18:18.34 | TD-Linux | Google? |
| 18:18.35 | JeffM2501 | tools |
| 18:18.51 | TD-Linux | TextTool? |
| 18:19.03 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:19.04 | JeffM2501 | that's it |
| 18:22.39 | TD-Linux | hmm |
| 18:22.44 | TD-Linux | what is gen_fmt.php? |
| 18:27.33 | JeffM2501 | where do you see that? |
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| 18:35.48 | TD-Linux | in Profont_*.fmt |
| 18:36.26 | JeffM2501 | I dono |
| 18:36.28 | JeffM2501 | we didn't make that font |
| 18:36.30 | JeffM2501 | ask it's author |
| 18:36.41 | TD-Linux | oh |
| 18:36.48 | TD-Linux | is the font format used by bzflag standard? |
| 18:36.59 | JeffM2501 | I don't think so |
| 18:37.13 | JeffM2501 | ahh looks like we included it |
| 18:37.16 | JeffM2501 | I don't think it's default |
| 18:37.28 | JeffM2501 | the font format came outa my butt ;) |
| 18:38.10 | TD-Linux | what's the point of defining the widths & heights of the letters if they are mono-spaced? |
| 18:38.32 | TD-Linux | oh wait.... they aren't in the menus, just the console |
| 18:38.33 | JeffM2501 | not all fonts are mono-spaced :) |
| 18:44.13 | JeffM2501 | food time |
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| 19:33.37 | SportyGal | ~sushi brlcad |
| 19:33.38 | ibot | ACTION fishes madly all day long & brings the very best back, filets it carefully and serves brlcad the best, freshest sushi ever |
| 19:36.56 | A_Heart_Attack | ~bzfrag Sportygal |
| 19:36.58 | ibot | ACTION squishes Sportygal with a steamroller |
| 19:37.05 | A_Heart_Attack | :D |
| 19:42.06 | uso_p | is there any possibility in bzmail to get the text back you have written in the form if the browser changes to another page? |
| 19:43.36 | uso_p | grrr, hate this webmail stuff |
| 19:44.23 | Birdie | no there isnt |
| 19:44.28 | Birdie | and that is VERY aggravating:) |
| 19:45.01 | DTRemenak | don't change pages, silly |
| 19:45.05 | DTRemenak | that's what tabs are for |
| 19:45.09 | uso_p | whom do you say it :) |
| 19:45.59 | uso_p | hehe, i don't intend to change page ;) |
| 19:46.02 | DTRemenak | how can you change pages *unintentionally*? |
| 19:46.10 | DTRemenak | maybe you need a better browser ;) |
| 19:46.21 | blast007 | hehe |
| 19:46.40 | blast007 | uso_p: what browser are you using? |
| 19:46.45 | uso_p | pasted something a bit outside of the input box and the browser happily showed me another page |
| 19:47.07 | uso_p | did not even see where it gets the url ;) |
| 19:47.13 | blast007 | typically you can hit F5 on the form submission page (if it timed out) and tell it to resend the data |
| 19:47.31 | blast007 | though even if a page times out for you, the server might have already processed the request |
| 19:47.56 | blast007 | ah, I see |
| 19:48.13 | uso_p | that's what i have done now, got me the initial page with the mail to cite, but withoput all my comments .. |
| 19:48.14 | blast007 | so in that case, you're at the mercy of your browser and clicking ability ;) |
| 19:49.39 | DTRemenak | ah, pebkac? |
| 19:50.03 | uso_p | yeah, would again keep me for some days to write the mails outside of the browser and paste them when ready ... until i get lazy and get catched again ;) |
| 19:50.19 | DTRemenak | hehe |
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| 20:06.15 | brlcad | SportyGal: i wish.. |
| 20:06.50 | SportyGal | brlcad: I HAD :) |
| 20:06.56 | brlcad | bah |
| 20:07.26 | SportyGal | 'twas yummy |
| 20:07.32 | SportyGal | but the place I went was a bit overpriced |
| 20:08.45 | SportyGal | hehe, we are discussing the delights of sushi on ##essy, brlcad |
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| 20:10.05 | brlcad | so avoid ##essy then because I'm hungry |
| 20:10.06 | brlcad | got it |
| 20:10.27 | SportyGal | ;) |
| 20:10.41 | SportyGal | ~feed brlcad sushi |
| 20:10.42 | ibot | ACTION Takes sushi, hands it to a profesional 5 star restaurant staff, who expertly shove sushi down brlcad's throat then throws brlcad out into the back alley with the rest of the trash. |
| 20:10.49 | SportyGal | oops |
| 20:11.10 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 20:11.55 | SportyGal | hehe |
| 20:14.17 | SportyGal | ( brlcad, we stopped discussing sushi now ) :) |
| 20:14.50 | SportyGal | mozul is showing his maui pics now |
| 20:14.55 | JeffM2501 | just don't get the seafood pasta from Macaroni Grill |
| 20:15.02 | SportyGal | hehe |
| 20:15.06 | SportyGal | doesn't even sound tempting |
| 20:15.08 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 20:15.11 | DTRemenak | does to me :) |
| 20:15.30 | SportyGal | poor DTRemenak |
| 20:15.33 | SportyGal | he's desperate |
| 20:15.54 | SportyGal | http://www.flickr.com/photos/mozul/187538276/in/set-72157594195994736/ |
| 20:16.10 | JeffM2501 | it was kinda bland |
| 20:16.17 | DTRemenak | that's too bad |
| 20:16.34 | SportyGal | I always ask for a load of extra garlic |
| 20:16.43 | SportyGal | JeffM2501: ever been to the Stinking Rose in West LA? |
| 20:16.59 | JeffM2501 | can't say that I have |
| 20:17.05 | JeffM2501 | not living in LA |
| 20:17.23 | SportyGal | stinking rose = garlic...you smell like garlic for a day or more after...in fact, you'll SWEAT garlic |
| 20:17.32 | DTRemenak | woot, garlicsweat |
| 20:17.33 | JeffM2501 | umm eww |
| 20:17.42 | SportyGal | the food is tasty though |
| 20:17.45 | DTRemenak | keeps the demons away |
| 20:17.49 | DTRemenak | keeps the people away too |
| 20:17.49 | SportyGal | ...if you like garlic that is |
| 20:17.52 | SportyGal | yup |
| 20:18.30 | SportyGal | JeffM2501: I thought you got down that way from time to time... |
| 20:18.51 | JeffM2501 | maybe once every couple years |
| 20:18.59 | SportyGal | http://www.thestinkingrose.com/ |
| 20:26.25 | Mr_Molez | JeffM2501: that aint bzflag talk ;) |
| 20:27.18 | JeffM2501 | so Tim can I remove GL 1.1 support ? |
| 20:27.18 | JeffM2501 | ;) |
| 20:27.42 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: gl on windows is 1.1... |
| 20:27.51 | JeffM2501 | ok 1.0 |
| 20:27.58 | DTRemenak | and I think we already require 1.1 |
| 20:28.00 | JeffM2501 | and voodoo |
| 20:28.12 | DTRemenak | fergoonnesssake, nobody's taken out the voodoo stuff yet? |
| 20:28.14 | JeffM2501 | we probably do, but there are some places where we check for 1.0 still |
| 20:28.19 | JeffM2501 | I pulled some |
| 20:28.30 | JeffM2501 | and depth buffer off support :) |
| 20:28.32 | JeffM2501 | want to remove that |
| 20:28.35 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 20:29.04 | JeffM2501 | and none for texturing |
| 20:29.25 | DTRemenak | aw, killing off software support eh? :) |
| 20:29.57 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 20:30.04 | JeffM2501 | just not expressly suporting it |
| 20:30.16 | JeffM2501 | cus I think even older comptuers can run with low textures |
| 20:30.20 | DTRemenak | software renderers have a hard time with textures |
| 20:30.22 | JeffM2501 | specialy on the mesh maps |
| 20:30.34 | JeffM2501 | on mesh maps it'll all render as white |
| 20:30.42 | DTRemenak | a lot of mesh maps use downloaded textures, which some people have turned off anyway |
| 20:30.44 | JeffM2501 | so software is already at a disadvantage |
| 20:30.59 | JeffM2501 | yeah but at least then it uses SOME texture, the default |
| 20:31.16 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 20:31.43 | JeffM2501 | but yes, I'd love it if we coudl say "you need hardware, if you don't have some, then your on your own" |
| 20:32.57 | brlcad | though just because some maps use the new stuff that older clients choke on, you can still run servers without any of that |
| 20:33.10 | brlcad | just a thought |
| 20:33.28 | JeffM2501 | I just want to clean it up so we only have one scenegraph |
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| 20:35.07 | Mr_Molez | wasn't bzflag made for cheap ass graphics hardware ? |
| 20:35.11 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 20:35.20 | JeffM2501 | it was made for very expensive graphics hardware at the time |
| 20:35.23 | JeffM2501 | SGI machines |
| 20:35.33 | Mr_Molez | i read somewhere it was for silicon graphics. I though that is crap hardware ? |
| 20:35.44 | Mr_Molez | ok :P |
| 20:35.51 | JeffM2501 | they had hardware 3d way before any PC had them |
| 20:35.57 | JeffM2501 | they are what stuff like toy story was done on |
| 20:36.06 | Mr_Molez | ah cool |
| 20:36.07 | JeffM2501 | in there day that was cutting edge |
| 20:37.43 | brlcad | silicon graphics was the shiznits, the best |
| 20:38.00 | brlcad | still are on the extreme high-end visualization |
| 20:38.07 | JeffM2501 | now we haven't kept up with current high end rendering |
| 20:38.19 | JeffM2501 | my cell phone probably renders better then the SGIs bz was made on |
| 20:38.35 | brlcad | they just suck on the desktop since gaming has made most of what people consider "good enough" damn cheap |
| 20:39.12 | brlcad | wow, that's a lot of page requests |
| 20:39.28 | JeffM2501 | for? |
| 20:40.04 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: got bzflag running on your cell phone? :) |
| 20:40.16 | JeffM2501 | looked into it |
| 20:40.20 | JeffM2501 | it's java tho |
| 20:40.38 | JeffM2501 | it's got some hardware 3d filling tho |
| 20:40.42 | DTRemenak | doesn't mean you can't build in assembly for it |
| 20:40.43 | I_Died_Once | reach out and blow up someone |
| 20:40.50 | DTRemenak | just need a compiler |
| 20:40.52 | brlcad | across all web hostings on .bz, there are 200k pages per day being requested |
| 20:41.10 | JeffM2501 | actualy I don't think I can, the OS will only run non firmware stuff as java |
| 20:41.30 | DTRemenak | use the firmware then ;) |
| 20:41.40 | JeffM2501 | I don't feel like hacking out sony firmware |
| 20:41.46 | DTRemenak | didn't say it would still work as a phone :P |
| 20:41.46 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 20:41.50 | JeffM2501 | there is a reason I didn't take that phone game job ;) |
| 20:41.56 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 20:42.21 | JeffM2501 | and you know as well as I do how 'fun' it woudl be to change to a new 3d api |
| 20:42.45 | DTRemenak | that is true. some phones at least use GLES |
| 20:42.52 | JeffM2501 | yeah, that would be easyer |
| 20:42.58 | DTRemenak | would be a little challenge but not a huge one |
| 20:43.03 | JeffM2501 | I was impressed at the 3d ability of the nintendo DS |
| 20:43.17 | JeffM2501 | the metroid game looks prety good |
| 20:43.25 | brlcad | interesting, only half that 200k is m.b.o |
| 20:43.46 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, I think we show up on google for "digimon porn" |
| 20:43.51 | brlcad | heh |
| 20:44.31 | brlcad | the other requests are incredibly tiny in comparison.. the log for m.b.o is about 95% of the log disk usage |
| 20:44.36 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 20:44.42 | brlcad | all the long urls |
| 20:44.44 | JeffM2501 | most of it listserver? |
| 20:44.48 | DTRemenak | well we do pass a lot of information |
| 20:45.23 | brlcad | JeffM2501: roughly half at a glance |
| 20:45.41 | JeffM2501 | wonder if the other half is fourms stats or images |
| 20:45.42 | brlcad | half of the 200 is list+bb |
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| 20:50.41 | JeffM2501 | umm they are the most popular console sold, a lot of people have them |
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| 20:51.31 | JeffM2501 | yay only one more TE bug to fix :) |
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| 21:43.39 | NTH | Hi, would it be possible to get some help on compiling on windows |
| 21:44.26 | NTH | I have Visual studio 2005 enterprise, and get no errors on the compile |
| 21:45.03 | JeffM2501 | did you get direct X and the windows SDK? |
| 21:45.29 | JeffM2501 | and libcurl and pdcurses |
| 21:46.42 | NTH | yes |
| 21:46.49 | JeffM2501 | what error do you get? |
| 21:46.54 | NTH | I get a runtime error when I execute the image |
| 21:47.07 | NTH | r6034 |
| 21:47.11 | JeffM2501 | are you trying to just hit F5 and run? |
| 21:47.17 | NTH | no |
| 21:47.17 | JeffM2501 | from in the IDE? |
| 21:47.29 | JeffM2501 | where are you running from? |
| 21:47.52 | NTH | I have moved the image into the 2.0.8 directory and copied the msvcp80.dll and mscvr80.dll to the same direcotry |
| 21:48.12 | JeffM2501 | and the curl and glew DLLs? |
| 21:48.23 | JeffM2501 | oh you'll get those from the other install |
| 21:48.31 | JeffM2501 | what version of windows you on? |
| 21:48.37 | NTH | curl.dll yes, i built a new one |
| 21:48.47 | NTH | but it fails with the current one |
| 21:48.49 | JeffM2501 | it's nto 64bit dis it? |
| 21:49.15 | NTH | windowxp home sp2 |
| 21:49.16 | JeffM2501 | it's not 64 bit windows is it? |
| 21:49.20 | JeffM2501 | hmm wierd |
| 21:49.22 | NTH | no |
| 21:49.35 | JeffM2501 | build debug and debug it and see what is wrong then |
| 21:49.42 | JeffM2501 | any reason your building your own? |
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| 22:02.02 | EbErT | I just thought of a good idea that would really help me (and hopefully others) when the server list goes down (and in general) |
| 22:02.04 | BzLynx | anyone knows why bz flickers with the latest nvidia driver? |
| 22:02.36 | BzLynx | r am I alone? |
| 22:03.09 | EbErT | make an alternate menu navigated to off of the server list that shows the cached HISTORY of where u have been |
| 22:03.16 | EbErT | and it the order you were there |
| 22:03.23 | BzLynx | tja... |
| 22:03.56 | Deepa | hejdu |
| 22:04.05 | BzLynx | dedju |
| 22:04.06 | Mr_Molez | or a favourites list ;) |
| 22:04.09 | Deepa | jude? |
| 22:04.14 | EbErT | ya,. molez |
| 22:04.18 | EbErT | would that not be hard? |
| 22:04.32 | Deepa | ow sorry BzLynx thought you were swedish :p |
| 22:04.38 | BzLynx | nope |
| 22:04.41 | BzLynx | lolol |
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| 22:04.59 | EbErT | i have it cached somewhat when the server list goes down, but some of the ones i've been to disappear |
| 22:05.06 | BzLynx | never been there before even |
| 22:05.06 | Deepa | BzLynx: belgian :>? |
| 22:05.13 | BzLynx | yes |
| 22:05.41 | Deepa | sweet |
| 22:05.42 | BzLynx | I hope that's not a problem for ya :) |
| 22:05.52 | EbErT | favorites AND history list :p |
| 22:06.54 | BzLynx | but bzflag *is* a problem for me now, |
| 22:07.08 | BzLynx | such a long time ago it worked nicely |
| 22:08.01 | trac_ | the gu page says: this account has been suspended!?!? |
| 22:08.15 | trac_ | gu-league page |
| 22:08.30 | trac_ | does anybody know what the problem is? |
| 22:08.31 | EbErT | u are TRAC ? phag |
| 22:08.34 | trac_ | yep |
| 22:08.34 | EbErT | *phago |
| 22:09.02 | EbErT | the main gu ffa is not around |
| 22:09.25 | EbErT | was that on the same server? |
| 22:09.40 | trac_ | i dunno |
| 22:09.51 | AlexandrTheGreat | you mean gamesunited.de:5154? |
| 22:09.55 | trac_ | no |
| 22:10.01 | trac_ | the LEAGUE page |
| 22:10.04 | BzLynx | glxgears works |
| 22:10.16 | trac_ | http://galaxy.dynamohosting.net/ams-suspend/ |
| 22:10.16 | AlexandrTheGreat | yes, i know about the league page |
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| 22:10.35 | trac_ | whats the problem? |
| 22:10.43 | BzLynx | me? |
| 22:10.46 | AlexandrTheGreat | we're working on that now |
| 22:10.54 | BzLynx | oh ok |
| 22:10.59 | trac_ | we just wanted to get 1. place ;) |
| 22:11.08 | AlexandrTheGreat | heh |
| 22:11.13 | EbErT | ya, we had trouble too heh' |
| 22:11.16 | trac_ | 4 points to go to tbo ;)) |
| 22:11.23 | AlexandrTheGreat | oh wow |
| 22:11.33 | AlexandrTheGreat | you could match FF twice :D |
| 22:11.34 | trac_ | and we just won against tx3 or whatever the name is ;) |
| 22:11.55 | trac_ | so i was SHOCKED when i saw that "suspended" page ;) |
| 22:12.11 | AlexandrTheGreat | i think you broke it when you tried to get in 1st place |
| 22:12.18 | trac_ | rofl |
| 22:12.31 | trac_ | or tbo hacked it before ;) |
| 22:12.35 | BzLynx | deppa, you are swedish? |
| 22:12.39 | BzLynx | deepa |
| 22:12.43 | AlexandrTheGreat | the good news is, the site will be back soon. the bad news is, phago loses 250 points somehow |
| 22:13.01 | trac_ | paddon? u are joking ;) |
| 22:13.04 | AlexandrTheGreat | hah |
| 22:13.42 | trac_ | alex u are, dont u? |
| 22:13.53 | AlexandrTheGreat | j/k |
| 22:14.01 | trac_ | *puhhhhhhhh* |
| 22:14.04 | AlexandrTheGreat | hee |
| 22:14.44 | AlexandrTheGreat | maybe we all will start over with 1200 points |
| 22:14.57 | CBG | sweet :) |
| 22:15.02 | trac_ | again a joke? |
| 22:15.19 | CBG | of course not |
| 22:15.22 | AlexandrTheGreat | i better stop this...TRAC is going to get deep abdominal cramps |
| 22:15.22 | trac_ | <--- worked hard to get a silver star ;) |
| 22:15.25 | CBG | why would an admin joke like this? :P |
| 22:15.26 | uso_p | heh, these are only points, not hours of you life :) |
| 22:15.45 | CBG | trac_: if you go down to 1200, when you beat a n00b team at 1200, you get 25 points, |
| 22:15.53 | CBG | at the moment, you get only 1 for that |
| 22:16.03 | CBG | you have to beat TBO to get lots of points, no? |
| 22:16.17 | CBG | so you will get back to your high ranking quickly if scores are reset to 1200 anyway |
| 22:16.17 | AlexandrTheGreat | cbg...they are only 4 out of 1st |
| 22:17.29 | trac_ | ok, i better try to sleep now... tomorrow this will be a baaaad dream ;) |
| 22:17.37 | CBG | hehe trac_ :) |
| 22:17.42 | AlexandrTheGreat | heh |
| 22:17.44 | AlexandrTheGreat | cu TRAC |
| 22:17.47 | CBG | byee |
| 22:17.48 | trac_ | cya |
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| 22:24.06 | Deepa | BzLynx: im swedish yep |
| 22:24.20 | Deepa | gah freenode lag xd |
| 22:24.41 | BzLynx | ah:-) |
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| 22:33.40 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, so how much of a PITA is it to get bz to build on 10.2? |
| 22:34.39 | brlcad | heh |
| 22:34.54 | CBG | JeffM2501: thanks for your help earlier, I got everything back to normal, after a few hiccups. |
| 22:34.55 | JeffM2501 | is it worth it? |
| 22:35.01 | JeffM2501 | CBG, cool |
| 22:35.18 | brlcad | well, it took me two solid 8 hour days last time (including waiting for compiles which admittedly consumed a lot of that) |
| 22:35.27 | CBG | I think I kept the old QuickTime that the engineer put on here, so I can probably compile again, yay. :) |
| 22:35.43 | JeffM2501 | ok that == not worth it... yay I don't have to install on this old G3 :) |
| 22:36.09 | brlcad | on my machine, it wouldn't take nearly as long simply because all of the external dependencies are installed and in the right place now .. getting some of them to compile correctly was a pita |
| 22:36.29 | JeffM2501 | for the 2-3 people I don't care to go thru that much trouble |
| 22:36.47 | CBG | Whose still on 10.2 anyway? :| |
| 22:36.52 | brlcad | basically had to compile libsdl, libcurl, adns, and a couple others |
| 22:36.57 | JeffM2501 | binary spike is one |
| 22:36.59 | brlcad | 10.5 is about to come out soon |
| 22:37.02 | JeffM2501 | thought there was another |
| 22:37.09 | CBG | binary spike... heh :) |
| 22:37.15 | CBG | brlcad: oh, wow, how soon? |
| 22:37.16 | JeffM2501 | and if binary can't then I'm not gonna cry |
| 22:37.28 | JeffM2501 | its slated for sometime this year IIRC |
| 22:37.37 | brlcad | CBG: probably this fall, though maybe only a developer preview at wwdc |
| 22:37.39 | JBdiGriz | More announcements are coming in August at WWDC |
| 22:37.43 | JeffM2501 | yet another 129$ apple will get outa ya :) |
| 22:37.47 | CBG | oh, cool :) |
| 22:38.01 | CBG | JeffM2501: well I never got 10.4, so... :) |
| 22:38.05 | JeffM2501 | 10.4 was worth it over 10.3 |
| 22:38.06 | JeffM2501 | by far |
| 22:38.12 | JeffM2501 | it's a lot more stable |
| 22:38.21 | CBG | Pff, what new features do I get? |
| 22:38.24 | JeffM2501 | and dashboard is prety cool |
| 22:38.29 | JeffM2501 | spotlight |
| 22:38.31 | CBG | Uh, Konfabulator...? |
| 22:38.33 | JeffM2501 | more GL stuff |
| 22:38.39 | EbErT | blah on dashboard, eats up ur ram |
| 22:38.46 | JeffM2501 | ram is cheap |
| 22:38.47 | JBdiGriz | I buy the developer mailing, and install on multiple machines. Plus I get all of the other cool stuff. |
| 22:38.49 | EbErT | everything else-vry nice |
| 22:38.50 | CBG | I tried spotlight, hated it. Made NO sense to me at all. Seemed like a microsoft product. |
| 22:39.00 | EbErT | can only put so much in an ibook, right cbg |
| 22:39.05 | CBG | Right. |
| 22:39.13 | EbErT | no, indexing is very nice |
| 22:39.17 | BzLynx | microsoft - delivers products? |
| 22:39.19 | JeffM2501 | then get a dell.. I mean new macbook :) |
| 22:39.30 | CBG | I'm more concerned about having only 30GB HD space, than I am about RAM. :P |
| 22:39.30 | JBdiGriz | microsoft foists products |
| 22:39.33 | JeffM2501 | in general it's just a lot more stable |
| 22:39.40 | JeffM2501 | and faster on my mini |
| 22:39.42 | brlcad | CBG: I liked and used konfabulator, but I have to say that dashboard is considerably better in many regards |
| 22:40.00 | JeffM2501 | still overheats sometimes |
| 22:40.03 | CBG | Well, I don't have any complaints about 10.3.9, and didn't see any features I particularly wanted, so saw no need to upgrade. |
| 22:40.09 | EbErT | JeffM2501: any thoughts on putting a favorites and/or history list for servers? cached? |
| 22:40.21 | JeffM2501 | EbErT, the entire server list should be redone |
| 22:40.25 | CBG | brlcad: I tried Konfabulator, noticed today that I still had it - but I just didn't really like the idea. |
| 22:40.28 | EbErT | when the list server goes down, i can't remember the last 2 places i was at |
| 22:40.30 | JeffM2501 | and favorates would be a part of that |
| 22:40.37 | JeffM2501 | as well as your last N servers |
| 22:40.41 | EbErT | well, this is just a cache, should be easier |
| 22:40.53 | JeffM2501 | we have a chace now, it's used if it can't get to the list server IIRC |
| 22:40.54 | EbErT | on the sever itself? |
| 22:40.56 | JBdiGriz | The cache should already exist |
| 22:41.02 | JeffM2501 | it's just not well defined when you are using it ;) |
| 22:41.02 | CBG | I'm perfectly happy just typing a couple words in my google search in Safari, and finding out anything I want to know that way, rather than with a widget. |
| 22:41.14 | JeffM2501 | yeah check your current cache options, you may have it disabled |
| 22:41.22 | EbErT | no, have it enabled |
| 22:41.35 | JeffM2501 | then when the server goes down it'll show you the last list it got |
| 22:41.37 | EbErT | but the place i was at disappears from where it was |
| 22:41.50 | JeffM2501 | yeah like I say, it's not well displayed |
| 22:42.09 | brlcad | safari in 10.4 is better than in 10.3, utilizes more features like recognizing rss feeds you can subscribe to, slightly more stable, more support for different media types |
| 22:42.10 | EbErT | ya, confusing. probably back waay down the list |
| 22:42.13 | JBdiGriz | I believe it goes to alphabetical order, which is just wrong. |
| 22:42.22 | JeffM2501 | the current list dosn't even have a place to display favorates or a history or cache, so it all needs to be redesigned |
| 22:42.35 | JeffM2501 | I'd like to see tabs |
| 22:42.41 | EbErT | could be on another page |
| 22:42.42 | JeffM2501 | we can probalby base them on dtr's frame work |
| 22:42.45 | EbErT | but tabs are nice :) |
| 22:42.48 | brlcad | safari has tabs |
| 22:42.51 | JeffM2501 | tabs and real scroll bars |
| 22:42.55 | JBdiGriz | or a mapping avoid showing all of the servers you never want to see. |
| 22:42.55 | JeffM2501 | so does firefox ;) |
| 22:43.07 | EbErT | mouse navigation? |
| 22:43.12 | brlcad | bz has tabs :) |
| 22:43.15 | EbErT | and camino (which is awesome) |
| 22:43.22 | JeffM2501 | I'd like to see servers done in tree view |
| 22:43.30 | EbErT | eww, bad soda |
| 22:43.31 | JeffM2501 | so you can group all the servers from a single host |
| 22:43.37 | JeffM2501 | there are lots we can do with it |
| 22:43.51 | EbErT | okey-dokey |
| 22:44.03 | TD-Linux | maybe give each server a 'group' to fit in the tree |
| 22:44.20 | TD-Linux | so all the norang servers, even though there is 3 different servers, could appear together |
| 22:44.32 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, thats the point of the tree, each IP/hostname is a branch |
| 22:44.51 | JeffM2501 | I found the india pale ale by the ABA people to be rather good |
| 22:44.59 | brlcad | somehow I don't think there's a must-drink-by date for ABA |
| 22:45.14 | JeffM2501 | no "born on" date of last week? |
| 22:46.53 | JeffM2501 | I'd like to see mouse menu controlls, but that would change legacy behavor for some people |
| 22:47.02 | JeffM2501 | as there are people who navigate menus and drive |
| 22:47.23 | JeffM2501 | so there would have to be full key and mouse support |
| 22:47.38 | JeffM2501 | and options to still let mouse drive in the menus |
| 22:47.40 | EbErT | i don't care about mouse controls, or scroll bar |
| 22:47.46 | EbErT | its fast the way it is |
| 22:47.48 | JeffM2501 | well it's not all about you ;) |
| 22:47.56 | EbErT | just giving opinion |
| 22:48.22 | JeffM2501 | when the game starts for a noob, it's odd, cus there are what apear as buttons and a cursor to click on them with ;) |
| 22:48.29 | JBdiGriz | If I have to fix it, it's all about me. ;) |
| 22:48.30 | JeffM2501 | cus humans hate to read |
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| 22:49.01 | CBG | I can't hear you... |
| 22:49.03 | JeffM2501 | ugg I hate it when I break the hell outa dev :( |
| 22:50.26 | uso | but when you switch serverlist cache on the serverlist gets garbled after server change |
| 22:51.04 | JeffM2501 | if we had tabs we could have one tab for a cache, and one for history |
| 22:51.21 | JeffM2501 | and optimaly a redundant list server system |
| 22:51.27 | JeffM2501 | JBdiGriz, did you throw an exception? |
| 22:51.37 | JBdiGriz | #$%^&*(*&^%$%%^&* |
| 22:51.55 | JeffM2501 | and what's the man readable code for that ? ;) |
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| 22:52.23 | JBdiGriz | .B Exception |
| 22:57.09 | JBdiGriz | Go check the creation of "man" pages :D |
| 22:57.24 | uso | mouse control is good for noobs, but key control essential for advanced |
| 22:57.49 | JeffM2501 | just don't forget to make a phone call ;) |
| 22:57.52 | uso | catch it and you know it, DTRemenak |
| 22:57.57 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: already did |
| 22:58.01 | JeffM2501 | ahh cool |
| 22:58.02 | JeffM2501 | go ok? |
| 22:58.14 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: I'll be coming down there sometime next week for a tour and interview or something |
| 22:58.47 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 22:58.47 | JeffM2501 | that means you survived round one |
| 22:58.47 | DTRemenak | guess so :) |
| 22:58.47 | JBdiGriz | I thought you were already down there. |
| 22:58.49 | DTRemenak | no, I'm up here now |
| 22:59.06 | JBdiGriz | Looking for an intern position for the summer? |
| 22:59.18 | JeffM2501 | well experience was a potential issue, so if they want you to come down here that means that they are willing to look past that. |
| 22:59.28 | DTRemenak | longer-term than that |
| 22:59.31 | DTRemenak | cool |
| 22:59.51 | JeffM2501 | we have had some young people with no experience work out ok for us in the past |
| 22:59.53 | JBdiGriz | but you're not interested in networking/wireless? |
| 23:00.02 | DTRemenak | not terribly, no ;) |
| 23:00.19 | JBdiGriz | It never hurts to ask. :) |
| 23:00.27 | DTRemenak | although you never know |
| 23:00.32 | JeffM2501 | dont' steal my qa guy man ;) |
| 23:00.35 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 23:00.46 | JBdiGriz | qa? Get him something real to do. |
| 23:00.56 | JeffM2501 | well it's qa, automation |
| 23:01.11 | JeffM2501 | and since he can program there are some production modules we'll probalby get him to write |
| 23:01.14 | JeffM2501 | if all goes well |
| 23:01.42 | JBdiGriz | Force him to commit, don't let him get away with probably. |
| 23:01.54 | JeffM2501 | heh, it's not up to me |
| 23:02.04 | JeffM2501 | tho if I can pawn VMMs of on him I'll do it for sure |
| 23:02.08 | JeffM2501 | I hate writing those things |
| 23:02.12 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 23:02.23 | JeffM2501 | specialy if you can hook em up into a scripting language |
| 23:11.36 | JeffM2501 | anyone want to be a second set of eyes on my simple encryption code, to see what I've screwed up? |
| 23:16.03 | PuMpErNiCkLe | Depends on how it's screwed up. |
| 23:16.17 | JeffM2501 | that's what I don't know :) |
| 23:16.32 | JeffM2501 | must be wtih where I packing/unpacking |
| 23:18.11 | PuMpErNiCkLe | I can take a look, I guess. |
| 23:18.19 | PuMpErNiCkLe | No promises, though. :) |
| 23:23.37 | BzLynx | catay, heb jij een idee waarom bzflag flikkert ? |
| 23:24.01 | BzLynx | sorry i'll talk in english |
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| 23:31.07 | BzLynx | ok it works: |
| 23:31.26 | JeffM2501 | can you do range bans in BZ that are less then a x.y.z.*? |
| 23:31.37 | JeffM2501 | like x.y.z.128 to 255? |
| 23:34.20 | BzLynx | ibidem |
| 23:34.23 | BzLynx | Goodnight |
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| 23:55.48 | blast007 | JeffM2501: might be able to use a CIDR, but I haven't tried |
| 23:56.38 | JeffM2501 | what would that look like? |
| 23:56.49 | JeffM2501 | it's for the chicky of sports |
