| 00:00.04 | JeffM2501 | no your just not thinking |
| 00:00.07 | JeffM2501 | you have a group right now right? |
| 00:00.07 | menotume | JeffM2501: the plugin isn't needed |
| 00:00.11 | Gnurdux | you've just proves that a global group is useful |
| 00:00.17 | Gnurdux | and yes we have a group |
| 00:00.19 | JeffM2501 | that wasn't my point |
| 00:00.24 | JeffM2501 | why do you need to automate the group adding? |
| 00:00.25 | menotume | if the group exists, just allow spawn to the group |
| 00:00.38 | JeffM2501 | who filled in the group as it is now? |
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| 00:00.46 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, we want it automated so that if someone joins then the admins don't need to add |
| 00:00.53 | menotume | it just saves having a person do it |
| 00:01.13 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, so that people who want to cause trouble, just go and join the leauge and then an admin has to ban them |
| 00:01.14 | menotume | IMO, the person/people should be doing it |
| 00:01.24 | JeffM2501 | why not leave it with a person to catch them before then get in |
| 00:01.33 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, your just looking for a reason to write a script |
| 00:01.38 | menotume | lol |
| 00:01.39 | Gnurdux | umm no |
| 00:01.42 | SportChick | that's kind of the whole point of HAVING global groups |
| 00:01.42 | JeffM2501 | umm yes |
| 00:01.51 | Gnurdux | I don't like writing scripts, I like writing plugins and stuff |
| 00:02.00 | Gnurdux | well at least not php scripts |
| 00:02.00 | menotume | it's been suggested before, like the auto-match reporting |
| 00:02.02 | JeffM2501 | yeah if you wante to just let everyone in, just give out spawn to everyone |
| 00:02.07 | JeffM2501 | cus thats BASICLY WHAT YOU ARE DOING |
| 00:02.14 | menotume | yep |
| 00:02.25 | Gnurdux | it adds an extra step for troublemakers |
| 00:02.40 | JeffM2501 | actualy it's less steps |
| 00:02.40 | menotume | well, you could try it |
| 00:02.47 | menotume | but, hmmm |
| 00:02.48 | Gnurdux | and prevents innocent people from screwing things up accidentally |
| 00:02.56 | menotume | heh |
| 00:02.57 | JeffM2501 | since right now they need to have an admin add them |
| 00:02.58 | Gnurdux | does ducati league even use global groups? |
| 00:03.02 | menotume | nope |
| 00:03.05 | menotume | GU |
| 00:03.20 | Gnurdux | because they dont have problems, servers arent on list server, people cant accidentally cause trouble |
| 00:03.22 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, just set the server to only allow leauge players to spawn based on the manual group |
| 00:03.24 | JeffM2501 | that fixes it all |
| 00:03.28 | JeffM2501 | then real players are cool |
| 00:03.31 | menotume | screwing things up accidentally .... please enter your league callsign/password and your bzbb callsign/password |
| 00:03.37 | JeffM2501 | fake players don't have an automatic way in |
| 00:03.39 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, thats how it is now |
| 00:03.40 | menotume | you'd be surprised |
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| 00:04.04 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, and your saying it's a HUGE problem that a few people decide to join a leauge and want to play before an admin can approve them? |
| 00:04.34 | JeffM2501 | so huge a problem that it's better to enable a method for people to cause trouble who want to, and make the admins have to do a lot more bans? |
| 00:04.43 | JeffM2501 | cus that is what you are sugesting |
| 00:04.54 | menotume | and, a large group list |
| 00:04.57 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 00:05.14 | JeffM2501 | if you want pickup players, put them in a per server local leauge group that has the same perms |
| 00:05.19 | JeffM2501 | then the server cops can do that |
| 00:05.21 | JeffM2501 | just for there servers |
| 00:05.30 | JeffM2501 | they are around more then leauge admins |
| 00:05.37 | menotume | Gnurdux: maybe put a hook in the session stuff to use bzbb auth completely |
| 00:05.46 | JeffM2501 | then the person can play right then, and you tell them to get globaly added to the leauge for more games. |
| 00:06.19 | menotume | then, no league callsign to bzbb callsign confusion |
| 00:07.53 | menotume | wow, 6 blue eyes |
| 00:11.13 | menotume | Gnurdux: why not take servers of the list ? |
| 00:12.31 | brad | ..because that would make sense? |
| 00:12.47 | menotume | at least advertize to league group only |
| 00:12.48 | menotume | :) |
| 00:13.12 | brad | although having it just 1 group talking/spawning makes it easier to ban people |
| 00:13.17 | menotume | i think we scared him away |
| 00:13.23 | brad | ahh good |
| 00:13.33 | menotume | sure, the group is ok |
| 00:13.39 | menotume | advertise only to the group |
| 00:13.47 | JeffM2501 | I'll never understand why people fear local groups of global users |
| 00:15.24 | brad | is /clientquery server side? |
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| 00:58.35 | tokimi_away | ~sportchick++ |
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| 01:13.06 | Gnurdux | menotume, sry you didn't scare me away, I was watching somehting |
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| 01:14.57 | Gnurdux | brad, clientquery is server side, but apparently it wasn't in 1.7 :P |
| 01:15.06 | Gnurdux | bzflag/ChangeLog:* /clientquery (was CLIENTQUERY) moved to server |
| 01:16.41 | brad | CLIENTQUERY still exists, which I presume is client side |
| 01:17.12 | Gnurdux | possibly |
| 01:17.40 | Gnurdux | yes |
| 01:21.32 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, how would we <menotume> advertise only to the group? |
| 01:21.42 | Gnurdux | we should do that to all the non-public servers |
| 01:21.57 | Gnurdux | ah got it |
| 01:22.00 | Gnurdux | sry |
| 01:22.21 | brad | heh |
| 01:22.35 | JeffM2501 | you read the man page |
| 01:22.41 | brad | @devs, can you take CLIENTQUERY out? |
| 01:22.50 | JeffM2501 | brad why? |
| 01:22.56 | Gnurdux | whats the point? |
| 01:23.01 | brad | because /clientquery allows more control |
| 01:23.04 | Gnurdux | it doesn't start with / |
| 01:23.20 | Gnurdux | its not good to have a command that doesn't start with /, doesn't really fit in |
| 01:23.22 | brad | if the server owner wanted to disable client querying on his server |
| 01:23.23 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't hurt to be in there |
| 01:23.26 | JeffM2501 | it's REALY old ;) |
| 01:23.32 | brad | old = bad |
| 01:23.37 | JeffM2501 | not always |
| 01:23.42 | Gnurdux | then again, Gnurdux shouldn't talk |
| 01:23.43 | brad | in this case it is :0 |
| 01:23.45 | brad | :)* |
| 01:23.52 | *** mode/#bzflag [+b *!*n=gnurdux@c-69-251-233-242.hsd1.md.comcast.net] by JeffM2501 |
| 01:24.01 | *** kick/#bzflag [Gnurdux!n=JeffM@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/JeffM2501] by JeffM2501 (JeffM2501) |
| 01:24.03 | JeffM2501 | I'm done with him |
| 01:24.09 | JeffM2501 | noone needs that crap day in and day out |
| 01:24.19 | brad | were there any other "commands" like CLIENTQUERY? |
| 01:24.23 | JeffM2501 | brad, you'd have to show that people don't still use it for any reason |
| 01:24.26 | JeffM2501 | does it not work? |
| 01:24.40 | brad | it does work |
| 01:24.48 | brad | but I want to disable it :P |
| 01:24.57 | JeffM2501 | thats not a choice for you to make as a server owner |
| 01:25.05 | brad | yeah.. |
| 01:25.16 | brad | why would people use CLIENTQUERY? |
| 01:25.22 | brad | when /clientquery exists |
| 01:25.27 | JeffM2501 | don't know |
| 01:25.29 | DTRemenak | they should not |
| 01:25.33 | JeffM2501 | that's the research you should do :) |
| 01:25.35 | brad | right |
| 01:25.38 | DTRemenak | at some point we should take it out |
| 01:25.41 | brad | :-/ |
| 01:25.42 | jacques | hmm, only getting 15-30 fps on my macbook under linux, but bzflag is only using about 60-70% of one core |
| 01:25.55 | JeffM2501 | jacques, bzflag runs in one thread |
| 01:26.03 | JeffM2501 | so it won't use both cores |
| 01:26.09 | DTRemenak | jacques: have energy saving turned on? |
| 01:26.15 | jacques | no energy saver |
| 01:26.22 | jacques | I was expecting it to peg one core at least |
| 01:26.35 | JeffM2501 | check vsync and make sure that you have the proper hardware drivers for your chipset |
| 01:27.28 | jacques | I have the latest drivers for the gma950/i915 AFAICT |
| 01:27.52 | JeffM2501 | then your CPU is probably waiting on them to draw |
| 01:27.53 | jacques | I don't suppose we have any numbers to compare against? |
| 01:27.58 | JeffM2501 | they are not fast ;) |
| 01:28.08 | jacques | yeah I knew that when I bought it :-) |
| 01:28.20 | jacques | shared vram is never a good thing |
| 01:28.39 | JeffM2501 | nor is spending 500$ more for basicly a dell ;) |
| 01:28.56 | jacques | uh, ok |
| 01:29.45 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, so I want to make bzfs, bzflag, and bzadmin use this libtournament.a that I have put in the bzflag root dir, what would I add to the makefile? |
| 01:31.06 | DTRemenak | in makefile.am in each of bzfs, bzflag, bzadmin, there should be an LDADD block |
| 01:31.25 | DTRemenak | add it there |
| 01:31.47 | JeffM2501 | then run configure again? |
| 01:31.56 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 01:32.24 | DTRemenak | that's the "right way" anyway. you could add it directly to the linker command in the makefile, but you'd have to do it every time you reconfigured |
| 01:32.35 | JeffM2501 | 3 files isn't bad |
| 01:32.36 | JeffM2501 | thanks |
| 01:34.22 | DTRemenak | np |
| 01:34.58 | JeffM2501 | tho it seems that sometimes if some files have windows line endings, configure says "compiler can not make executables" |
| 01:36.04 | DTRemenak | hm, that's odd |
| 01:36.39 | DTRemenak | if include/config.h.in is converted that shouldn't happen. |
| 01:36.46 | DTRemenak | unless some of our configure tests changed |
| 01:37.00 | DTRemenak | and configure.ac has to be converted of course |
| 01:37.06 | JeffM2501 | I took a new tree from cvs on linux |
| 01:37.07 | JeffM2501 | built it |
| 01:37.10 | JeffM2501 | copied it to a new dir |
| 01:37.17 | JeffM2501 | replaced just the cxx and h files I changed |
| 01:37.22 | JeffM2501 | and made those mods to the makefiles |
| 01:37.25 | JeffM2501 | that's it |
| 01:37.36 | JeffM2501 | I'm running fromdos on the files I changed now to see if it helps |
| 01:38.02 | jacques | what does the smoothing display option do? turning it off makes fps go to like 90 |
| 01:38.15 | JeffM2501 | turns on GL smothing |
| 01:38.20 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: version.h. forgot about that one...you probably changed it, too. |
| 01:38.23 | JeffM2501 | your card probably does that in software |
| 01:38.34 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, no just build date |
| 01:38.37 | JeffM2501 | .cxx |
| 01:38.38 | DTRemenak | hm |
| 01:38.43 | JeffM2501 | but we probably muck with that :) |
| 01:39.05 | DTRemenak | oops, yeah |
| 01:39.08 | DTRemenak | version stuff moved |
| 01:39.20 | DTRemenak | $srcdir/src/date/buildDate.cxx |
| 01:39.22 | JeffM2501 | I only moded like 88 files |
| 01:39.24 | jacques | cpu usage down to 20% of one core |
| 01:39.40 | jacques | well 20-65% |
| 01:39.44 | JeffM2501 | jacques, if your GPU is slow, the CPU will wait for it |
| 01:39.50 | JeffM2501 | since it can't do the next frame till it's done |
| 01:40.34 | JeffM2501 | you have to get up to silly frame rates to nail the CPU usualy |
| 01:40.50 | JeffM2501 | way faster then the refresh or update time of the display |
| 01:41.35 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/ (4 files in 4 dirs): remove deprecated CLIENTQUERY command. all commands, client or server side, are now /command. |
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| 01:43.41 | DTRemenak | brad: you seem to have been under the mistaken assumption that CLIENTQUERY actually did something other than send /clientquery to the server anyway...that's all it does. |
| 01:44.38 | CBG | Uh, If I just say "CLIENTQUERY" in the chat, it treats it as /clientquery ? |
| 01:44.41 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 01:44.48 | DTRemenak | won't in 2.1 though |
| 01:44.59 | DTRemenak | it's a relic of bygone times |
| 01:45.05 | CBG | Wow... funky. |
| 01:45.28 | JeffM2501 | how do you know it's not the weapon of a more civilised age? |
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| 01:46.07 | DTRemenak | long ago, commands in ALLCAPS were client side, and /commands were server side. I moved CLIENTQUERY server-side years ago, and left the client command in as a shortcut to send the server command for people who didn't realize it had changed |
| 01:46.12 | CBG | 'cause then it would have a sticker on it. ;) |
| 01:46.22 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, before the dark times? before the empire? |
| 01:46.41 | DTRemenak | apparently whoever converted all the other client commands to the /command format left that one in for some reason |
| 01:46.49 | DTRemenak | that's right, JeffM2501 |
| 01:47.16 | JeffM2501 | wierd it still freaks on configure.... log -> http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/89278 |
| 01:47.18 | DTRemenak | but I'd hardly call ALLCAPS more civilized than /command :P |
| 01:47.32 | JeffM2501 | only because your a tool of the empire! |
| 01:47.34 | DTRemenak | check out your version define |
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| 01:47.40 | DTRemenak | line 26 |
| 01:47.44 | DTRemenak | that should be all one line |
| 01:47.53 | DTRemenak | your buildDate.cxx was funky |
| 01:47.58 | DTRemenak | when you ran autogen |
| 01:48.04 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 01:48.08 | JeffM2501 | let me rerun autogen then |
| 01:48.36 | JeffM2501 | I did modify the file after I did autogen |
| 01:50.29 | JeffM2501 | if I'd just put this stuff in a cvs or svn this would be a lot easyer :) |
| 01:50.36 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 01:52.35 | JeffM2501 | I kinda like having it tied to a real branch tho, so it's easy to update |
| 01:54.30 | DTRemenak | working for you now? |
| 01:55.38 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:55.41 | JeffM2501 | it's building |
| 01:56.03 | DTRemenak | excellent; everything is proceeding as I have forseen |
| 01:56.15 | CBG | rofl |
| 01:56.16 | JeffM2501 | you want me to strike you down? |
| 01:56.44 | DTRemenak | I will not defend myself |
| 01:57.15 | CBG | ~defend DTRemenak |
| 01:57.21 | ibot | ACTION jumps in front of DTRemenak, taking all insults, violence and anything else negative thrown toward DTRemenak so that DTRemenak may live on in peace and quiet |
| 01:57.25 | CBG | ibot will. ;) |
| 01:57.46 | JeffM2501 | naw I've done one ban today, hit my jedi quota |
| 01:58.12 | JeffM2501 | unless we are talkin KOTR jedi, then I am WAY under par |
| 01:58.22 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 01:58.41 | DTRemenak | the force is with you, but you are not a jedi yet |
| 02:00.04 | CBG | "But.. I spent 10 bucks on this T-Shirt and I'm still not a jedi? WTF?" |
| 02:00.09 | DTRemenak | join me...with our combined strength, we can end this destructive conflict and bring order to the source. |
| 02:00.51 | CBG | "Ok, but let's be quick, Joey is on in a bit." |
| 02:01.08 | JeffM2501 | arn't you gonna interview for MY company? I think we have this backwards |
| 02:01.12 | DTRemenak | hehe |
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| 02:01.25 | CBG | Here comes trouble... |
| 02:02.12 | brlcad | 3*sniff* |
| 02:02.32 | JeffM2501 | dude it was just a shadow of it's former self |
| 02:03.51 | DTRemenak | twilight was upon it, and night must fall. that is the way of things, the way of the force. |
| 02:03.52 | JeffM2501 | so if this works, I can just take the same code from linux over, rebuild the lib, then regen bz and should be good right? |
| 02:04.21 | JeffM2501 | was it the "way of the force" to kill the younglings? |
| 02:04.27 | JeffM2501 | who will think of the younglings |
| 02:04.28 | DTRemenak | I think so, yeah |
| 02:04.31 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 02:04.34 | JeffM2501 | yeah cus they were bastards |
| 02:04.45 | JeffM2501 | and that hot green chick, did she have to die? |
| 02:04.50 | DTRemenak | I meant, I think you can just rebuild it. I didn't really understand the question. |
| 02:04.54 | JeffM2501 | cus she was prety freaking hot |
| 02:05.11 | A_Meteorite | JeffM2501: I don't think a ban on Gnurdux is good |
| 02:05.26 | JeffM2501 | A_Meteorite, of course you don't, good little puppy |
| 02:05.30 | JeffM2501 | anyone else want him back? |
| 02:06.08 | brlcad | *tumbleweed* |
| 02:06.13 | JeffM2501 | crickets.... |
| 02:06.14 | brlcad | *crickets* |
| 02:06.19 | CBG | Me! I do! |
| 02:06.20 | JeffM2501 | whoot, I'm faster |
| 02:06.28 | CBG | Wait, who are we talking about? |
| 02:06.35 | JeffM2501 | CBG, ok, please submit a 500 word essay on why |
| 02:06.39 | JeffM2501 | in triplicate |
| 02:07.10 | CBG | Ok, by when? |
| 02:07.18 | JeffM2501 | just amazingly convienent how A_Meteorite pipes up about it after I tell gnardy that people complain about bans. |
| 02:07.41 | A_Meteorite | JeffM2501: I just got back and read above... |
| 02:07.46 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 02:07.58 | JeffM2501 | the question still stands |
| 02:08.23 | JeffM2501 | I'm not exactly seeing the places where his comments are helpfull around here |
| 02:08.52 | A_Meteorite | JeffM2501: he sometimes has good ideas... |
| 02:09.07 | JeffM2501 | all he realy does is ask questions that already have answers and say we are all lazy |
| 02:09.11 | JeffM2501 | A_Meteorite, very rarely |
| 02:09.23 | JeffM2501 | I'm not sure if they are worth the trouble of the rest of his crap |
| 02:09.30 | JeffM2501 | but your sentement is noted |
| 02:09.46 | CBG | Ugh, TextEdit doesn;'t have a word count? OmG. |
| 02:10.11 | DTRemenak | A_Meteorite: the fear of loss is a path to the dark side |
| 02:10.47 | A_Meteorite | JeffM2501: Gnurdux wants me to give you this :) http://pastebin.ca/89295 |
| 02:11.03 | CBG | JeffM2501: by "a 500 word essay" did you mean "a 500 (or more) word essay" or "a 500 (exactly) word essay" ? |
| 02:11.18 | JeffM2501 | A_Meteorite, yeah we know your his litle budy |
| 02:11.25 | JeffM2501 | CBG, exact |
| 02:11.28 | JeffM2501 | double spaces |
| 02:11.52 | CBG | Bah... I got a 5000 word essay... |
| 02:11.56 | JeffM2501 | and I'd never ban somone for a private message |
| 02:12.07 | JeffM2501 | CBG, oh well then |
| 02:12.13 | A_Meteorite | JeffM2501: err... that wasn't the point |
| 02:12.17 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 02:12.20 | JeffM2501 | I'm just telling you |
| 02:12.33 | JeffM2501 | he was banned not just for that one thing, but the cumulation of a great number of things |
| 02:12.38 | JeffM2501 | time and time again |
| 02:12.59 | JeffM2501 | and I'm sure you'll relay all this too him ,so just tell him to chill and see what happens |
| 02:14.18 | JeffM2501 | maybe I'm just too lazy to unban him |
| 02:14.23 | JeffM2501 | it takes so many clicks |
| 02:14.45 | A_Meteorite | JeffM2501: he says he wants to talk more in private message :P |
| 02:14.54 | JeffM2501 | then he can |
| 02:15.00 | JeffM2501 | he's not helpless |
| 02:15.14 | JeffM2501 | this isn't 3rd grade, you don't have to pass notes |
| 02:15.37 | A_Meteorite | JeffM2501: uh, I know that |
| 02:15.50 | A_Meteorite | but it I feel used, when I do ;) |
| 02:15.55 | CBG | JeffM2501: http://cbg.is-a-geek.org:5150/Why.doc |
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| 02:16.22 | JeffM2501 | wow dude, you must be bored |
| 02:16.39 | L4m3r | who, me? |
| 02:16.49 | JeffM2501 | no not you :) |
| 02:16.53 | L4m3r | oh :) |
| 02:16.55 | CBG | Me? it's 3:16 AM, not exactly a lot to be doing. :) |
| 02:17.00 | L4m3r | because you'd be right anyway ;) |
| 02:17.02 | JeffM2501 | sleep |
| 02:17.11 | brad | DTRemenak: ahh I see, then it is more useless than I first thought :) |
| 02:17.20 | CBG | Huh? At 3 AM..? |
| 02:17.27 | A_Meteorite | CBG: O_o |
| 02:17.37 | CBG | Who sleeps at 3 AM? |
| 02:17.40 | A_Meteorite | me |
| 02:17.44 | JeffM2501 | most of the world |
| 02:17.44 | A_Meteorite | well, sometimes |
| 02:17.49 | DTRemenak | CBG: dude, that's 501 words :) |
| 02:17.57 | CBG | DTRemenak: nope... |
| 02:18.08 | L4m3r | CBG is about as good as sleeping as his mac is at being fast :) |
| 02:18.14 | L4m3r | at sleeping* |
| 02:18.25 | DTRemenak | words: 501 characters: 2741 |
| 02:20.04 | L4m3r | So it turns out, (k)ubuntu's "easy" installation is a rather moot point when you use a fake raid device. |
| 02:20.50 | L4m3r | had to use debootstrap on the live CD, fun fun... >_> |
| 02:21.07 | DTRemenak | CBG: you're also lucky he said "submit" and not "write", cause you didn't write it :) |
| 02:23.01 | CBG | I am great at sleeping, just as my mac is great at everything. |
| 02:23.01 | CBG | I just choose not to sleep untill about 4 AM. |
| 02:23.15 | L4m3r | CBG, you need a job. |
| 02:23.35 | L4m3r | I found that mine is quite effective at forcing a normal sleep schedule. |
| 02:23.57 | JeffM2501 | bahh, now the encrypter is busted again.... |
| 02:24.03 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 02:24.06 | JeffM2501 | maybe the open source gods do not want me to do this |
| 02:24.16 | L4m3r | do what? |
| 02:24.24 | JeffM2501 | closed source tournament lib |
| 02:25.38 | DTRemenak | you have allowed this library to twist your mind, until now, you have become the very thing you swore to destroy |
| 02:25.56 | JeffM2501 | I could go back to rendering stuff |
| 02:26.10 | JeffM2501 | umm, I work at a comercial software house |
| 02:26.11 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 02:26.16 | JeffM2501 | why would I want to put myself out of a job? |
| 02:26.27 | DTRemenak | I was wondering if you'd catch that :) |
| 02:26.54 | JeffM2501 | AND bzflag started as closed source |
| 02:26.59 | JeffM2501 | so it's just going back to it's roots |
| 02:27.02 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 02:27.09 | DTRemenak | it's roots were a lan game :P |
| 02:29.49 | JeffM2501 | ok, I'll lock it down to one subnet too |
| 02:30.03 | JeffM2501 | since we don't want any of those internets tupes |
| 02:30.06 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 02:30.08 | JeffM2501 | tubes |
| 02:30.13 | CBG | DTRemenak: Word told me it was 500. Blame microshit. |
| 02:30.13 | JeffM2501 | cus you know it's not a truck |
| 02:30.26 | JeffM2501 | CBG, language please |
| 02:30.32 | CBG | And it's not LUCK, I would have ignored him had he said write, ;) |
| 02:30.46 | CBG | L4m3r: job, what for? |
| 02:32.55 | JeffM2501 | I_Died_Once, I'm gonna say I can't get the TE done for your tourny |
| 02:33.11 | I_Died_Once | Noooooooooooooooo |
| 02:33.18 | I_Died_Once | You're fired, clock out and go home |
| 02:33.22 | JeffM2501 | it's becoming too much a pain in the butt |
| 02:33.30 | JeffM2501 | and I don't think I'll be able to do the linux builds |
| 02:33.37 | JeffM2501 | I don't want to hold you guys up |
| 02:33.50 | JeffM2501 | I'll keep working on it when I have time, so maybe it'll be good for the next one |
| 02:34.57 | JeffM2501 | I must be screwing up something with the buffers cus it keeps giving me difrent results between debug and release builds |
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| 02:35.31 | DTRemenak | valgrind it |
| 02:35.41 | DTRemenak | or purify or whatever you use |
| 02:40.41 | DTRemenak | your eyes can decieve you; don't trust them |
| 02:41.49 | JeffM2501 | well I was gonna debug it first |
| 02:42.08 | JeffM2501 | and boundschecker is EVIL |
| 02:42.13 | DTRemenak | debugger might not catch it |
| 02:42.13 | JeffM2501 | as you may sadly learn |
| 02:42.16 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 02:42.37 | JeffM2501 | well I can at least step thru and make sure it is doing what I think it's doing |
| 02:42.40 | JeffM2501 | then go on from there |
| 02:43.08 | DTRemenak | that's a good start |
| 02:43.28 | DTRemenak | different results usually means you're using something uninitialized |
| 02:43.37 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 02:43.40 | DTRemenak | or that you've already freed |
| 02:43.47 | JeffM2501 | I can usualy see those when I step thru too |
| 02:44.40 | DTRemenak | it's possible for them to be nonobvious |
| 02:46.53 | JeffM2501 | yeah but I should check for the obvious ones first ;) |
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| 03:08.06 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, thanks, I'll be less annoying in the future |
| 03:09.13 | JeffM2501 | just read what you type before you type it and think about how people will take it |
| 03:10.25 | Gnurdux | and as far as the sound thing: the custom sounds are played with the playLocalSound(std::string sound), which uses map customSamples which is built as new requests come.. it codes are unrelated to the codes of the vector sample. however, playLocalSound(int soundCode) uses the vector sample, and the std::string one passes it the code from the customSamples |
| 03:10.41 | Gnurdux | I don't think thats the whole problem, but its definitely part ofi t |
| 03:10.52 | JeffM2501 | submit a patch for it so the code dosn't get lost |
| 03:11.09 | Gnurdux | I don't have any code to fix it yet.. it requires a bunch of changes |
| 03:12.02 | Gnurdux | since the index is passed down to a very low level... it might make sense to move the whole thing into a map and rewrite the processing code |
| 03:15.49 | Gnurdux | probably will have to edit platform-specific code.. |
| 03:16.12 | Gnurdux | or not |
| 03:16.26 | JeffM2501 | not |
| 03:16.26 | JeffM2501 | it just sends a name to the platform loader |
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| 03:16.51 | Gnurdux | yea, i have to trace through the code.. |
| 03:17.51 | Gnurdux | tsnot very well written... some stuff is in platform that shouldn't be, but oh well... read and write sound commands... sound.cxx does the writing (push onto queue) and also the reading (pop from queue) so its better for it to stay in sound.cxx |
| 03:18.02 | JeffM2501 | so if you haven't gone thru the code how do you know it's the problem |
| 03:18.21 | JeffM2501 | yeah thanks for your expert review of my code |
| 03:18.52 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, its not THE problem, its A problem |
| 03:18.59 | Gnurdux | it will definitely cause issues |
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| 03:19.26 | Gnurdux | but its not the only problem |
| 03:19.49 | JeffM2501 | have you steped thru it with a debuger? |
| 03:19.55 | JeffM2501 | or is this just based on you looking at it? |
| 03:21.13 | Gnurdux | so far looking at it |
| 03:21.27 | JeffM2501 | have you had it crash or have a problem? |
| 03:21.37 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, no, it just doesn't work.. the plugin sound |
| 03:22.09 | JeffM2501 | you sure your using it right? cus I had it working at one point |
| 03:22.27 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, if you had it working, it was luck |
| 03:22.31 | Gnurdux | unless you were on 2.1 |
| 03:22.55 | JeffM2501 | noooo 2.0.5 when I wrote it |
| 03:23.08 | Gnurdux | interesting |
| 03:23.38 | Gnurdux | take a look at the two playLocalSounds |
| 03:23.52 | JeffM2501 | I will when I have have a moment |
| 03:24.03 | JeffM2501 | IIRC one is never called |
| 03:24.08 | JeffM2501 | it's just for future expansion |
| 03:24.36 | Gnurdux | thats not true |
| 03:24.39 | Gnurdux | look at playing.cxx |
| 03:24.59 | Gnurdux | both are called in playing.cxx |
| 03:25.26 | Gnurdux | the int one works fine, its just the string one gives the int one a wrong soundcode |
| 03:26.48 | Gnurdux | soundCode = (int)soundSamples.size()-1; |
| 03:28.06 | Gnurdux | hmm |
| 03:28.19 | Gnurdux | no that might not be whats doing it |
| 03:28.58 | CBG | Think in your head, Gnurdux. |
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| 03:33.23 | JeffM2501 | I realy wish he'd not assume that code he dosn't understand is not always wrong |
| 03:34.36 | JeffM2501 | it adds the sample to the list first if it dosn't find it, creating a new ID, the "other list" he sees is the name to ID map for already loaded custom sounds. |
| 03:34.57 | trepan | JeffM2501: you want smarter channel kiddies? |
| 03:35.05 | JeffM2501 | I can dream |
| 03:40.18 | [NP]Tangent | anybody know where I might find the plugin to have the server send those "so-and-so is on a rampage!" messages? |
| 03:40.29 | [NP]Tangent | I've tried searching the forums, no luck yet |
| 03:40.36 | JeffM2501 | cus it's one of the standard ones |
| 03:40.44 | JeffM2501 | playhistorytracker |
| 03:40.44 | [NP]Tangent | omg |
| 03:40.47 | [NP]Tangent | ah |
| 03:40.49 | [NP]Tangent | thanks |
| 03:40.52 | JeffM2501 | your god has nothing to do with it |
| 03:41.11 | [NP]Tangent | I have no god |
| 03:41.30 | [NP]Tangent | omg for me = oh my gonnorhea |
| 03:41.45 | trepan | JeffM2501: dream on |
| 03:41.57 | JeffM2501 | yup, just proven wrong right there |
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| 03:42.15 | bryjen | ~spell gonnorhea |
| 03:42.23 | JeffM2501 | or don't |
| 03:42.24 | JeffM2501 | please |
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| 03:43.29 | [NP]Tangent | sorry if I spelled it wrong |
| 03:43.35 | [NP]Tangent | I care not for proper english |
| 03:43.39 | JeffM2501 | I'm sorry that you even said it |
| 03:43.54 | [NP]Tangent | cool, mission accomplished |
| 03:44.30 | JeffM2501 | yeah that's a good way to make sure you keep geting help from the people who have the info you need |
| 03:47.36 | [NP]Tangent | :( |
| 03:55.40 | JeffM2501 | yay for dual cores, rendering AND debuging at the same time :) |
| 04:06.39 | [NP]Tangent | alright, one more question. I set my lock-on key to a button on my joystick... shouldn't that button also let me spawn when I press it? |
| 04:07.13 | DTRemenak | no |
| 04:07.18 | DTRemenak | they're two separate keybindings |
| 04:07.57 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501 is too kind :) |
| 04:08.18 | JeffM2501 | aperantly |
| 04:08.42 | JeffM2501 | "thanks for leting me back in, your code sucks because I don't understand it" |
| 04:08.52 | DTRemenak | hm, you did have remote sound working? I thought it tended to crash things... |
| 04:08.59 | DTRemenak | or was that something else? |
| 04:09.05 | JeffM2501 | there were a couple things |
| 04:09.09 | JeffM2501 | I think it could crash old clients |
| 04:09.19 | JeffM2501 | but yes it was working for me at one point |
| 04:09.19 | DTRemenak | ah, ok |
| 04:09.28 | DTRemenak | cool |
| 04:09.35 | JeffM2501 | before I checked it in I know I tested it, and had it playing the UT male sounds |
| 04:09.41 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 04:09.42 | JeffM2501 | the plugin is just VERY complex |
| 04:09.59 | JeffM2501 | it needs a config and stuff to be done in a very specific manner |
| 04:10.48 | JeffM2501 | and of course I documented none of it |
| 04:11.10 | DTRemenak | I seem to remember the sounds getting disabled at some point though :S like they crashed linux clients if two got played at the same time or something |
| 04:11.30 | JeffM2501 | it uses the existing sound system, just loads one up during playing |
| 04:11.38 | JeffM2501 | so it sould be the same as if a bz sound was played |
| 04:11.49 | DTRemenak | yeah, should be |
| 04:12.15 | JeffM2501 | it keeps a name -> id map around, if the sound isn't in the map, it loads it using the same stuff as the other sounds, then apends it to the list |
| 04:12.22 | JeffM2501 | it used to be a fixed array, I made it a vector |
| 04:12.39 | JeffM2501 | it's possible I wasn't unpacking the messages right |
| 04:12.48 | JeffM2501 | I don't think it was a problem with the actual sound system |
| 04:12.57 | JeffM2501 | but something with the message or the download |
| 04:13.07 | JeffM2501 | I never had a crash if I told it to play an existing sound |
| 04:14.40 | DTRemenak | ah, ok |
| 04:16.12 | A_Meteorite | JeffM2501: so that means if each person had a sound in their data folder we could play that sound? |
| 04:16.21 | JeffM2501 | maybe |
| 04:16.23 | A_Meteorite | heh |
| 04:16.24 | JeffM2501 | there is a message for it |
| 04:16.33 | JeffM2501 | and a message to download the sound |
| 04:16.33 | A_Meteorite | I always heard it was broke, I never tested it |
| 04:16.56 | JeffM2501 | there were other bugs in the API that have been fixed that could have caused the problem |
| 04:16.56 | A_Meteorite | iirc, the sound stuff was taken out in playhistorytracker because I "heard" it was broke |
| 04:17.02 | A_Meteorite | ah |
| 04:17.02 | JeffM2501 | I'm building now to see what the deal is |
| 04:17.06 | A_Meteorite | cool |
| 04:17.07 | A_Meteorite | thanks |
| 04:17.49 | DTRemenak | yeah, the sound stuff was ripped from playhistorytracker |
| 04:18.04 | DTRemenak | by jeff, with commit message "remove sound playing as it "may" be bugy" |
| 04:19.20 | DTRemenak | someone should have written down the details I guess. iirc I did some testing and determined that it was Not My Problem (tm) or something to that effect |
| 04:20.46 | JeffM2501 | mostly I didn't want to look at it then, or document it :) |
| 04:21.21 | DTRemenak | ditto :) |
| 04:23.46 | DTRemenak | not that I understood how it worked in the first place, or wanted to |
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| 05:00.26 | JeffM2501 | I probably could have left it in play history tracker, cus it pulled from local sound |
| 05:20.40 | JeffM2501 | hmm it plays them find on windows, but not so much on nix |
| 05:29.51 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, you around? |
| 05:32.29 | JeffM2501 | or anyone with linux and sound? |
| 05:39.43 | PuMpErNiCkLe | yo |
| 05:40.01 | JeffM2501 | you have 2.0.6 or better? |
| 05:40.10 | PuMpErNiCkLe | .8 on Xubuntu |
| 05:40.31 | JeffM2501 | you have working sound? |
| 05:40.56 | PuMpErNiCkLe | Yeah. |
| 05:41.15 | JeffM2501 | can you join a server and tell me if you hear the laughing sound every time somone dies? :) |
| 05:41.31 | JeffM2501 | 71.109.230.30:5154 |
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| 05:42.26 | PuMpErNiCkLe | It crashed when someone died. |
| 05:42.30 | JeffM2501 | hmmm |
| 05:42.30 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 05:42.33 | JeffM2501 | odd |
| 05:42.44 | PuMpErNiCkLe | Want me to trace it? |
| 05:42.52 | JeffM2501 | if you can yeah |
| 05:43.00 | JeffM2501 | I can't get it to crash on my linux ubuntu |
| 05:43.00 | PuMpErNiCkLe | k |
| 05:49.58 | JeffM2501 | hmm maybe linux dosn't like adding to the static vector |
| 05:51.25 | PuMpErNiCkLe | Could be. My client's getting killed by sigsegv. |
| 05:51.39 | JeffM2501 | does it say where ? |
| 05:51.51 | JeffM2501 | I can go dig I just need a hint where |
| 05:52.08 | JeffM2501 | it's a simple message, just unpack 2 shorts and a string |
| 05:56.53 | PuMpErNiCkLe | I didn't get it on that run - could you put a bot back in? |
| 05:57.14 | PuMpErNiCkLe | (Also, if there's any specific way you want it debugged, now's a good time to mention it... :) |
| 05:57.19 | JeffM2501 | yeah one sec |
| 05:57.30 | JeffM2501 | I just want to know where it crashes :) |
| 05:57.52 | PuMpErNiCkLe | btw, it doesn't crash for suicides. |
| 05:58.19 | PuMpErNiCkLe | ...now it doesn't crash at all |
| 05:58.28 | JeffM2501 | you built debug? |
| 05:59.29 | JeffM2501 | do you hear the sound? |
| 05:59.42 | PuMpErNiCkLe | Yup. |
| 06:00.03 | JeffM2501 | so it's ether something isn't inited, or something with optimisations |
| 06:00.05 | PuMpErNiCkLe | (To hearing the sound.) |
| 06:00.40 | JeffM2501 | can you do a non optimised non debug build? |
| 06:00.51 | PuMpErNiCkLe | okay, hang on a minute |
| 06:02.04 | PuMpErNiCkLe | Just worth noting - the build I was using for both crash/noncrash runs was built with ICC. |
| 06:02.18 | JeffM2501 | what is icc? |
| 06:02.25 | PuMpErNiCkLe | Intel's compiler. |
| 06:02.33 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 06:06.03 | JeffM2501 | hmm won't crash my mac ether |
| 06:07.20 | PuMpErNiCkLe | Could've been something weird on my end. |
| 06:08.06 | JeffM2501 | well I'll have a couple other people test it when they wake up :) |
| 06:08.09 | JeffM2501 | thanks for trying :) |
| 06:08.29 | PuMpErNiCkLe | uh.. np o_O |
| 06:08.55 | JeffM2501 | I was thinking that maybe it crashed cus the sounds were the wrong format or something, so that's why I changed it to play an existing one |
| 06:11.57 | PuMpErNiCkLe | Makes sense to me. |
| 06:20.42 | blast007 | JeffM2501: I recall crashing in the past too |
| 06:21.03 | blast007 | Windows build |
| 06:21.17 | blast007 | not sure if it was debug or release |
| 06:21.30 | JeffM2501 | I can't get windows to crash |
| 06:21.33 | JeffM2501 | nor linux or mac |
| 06:21.42 | JeffM2501 | there were other api bugs with players that crashed stuff |
| 06:21.45 | JeffM2501 | those should be fixed |
| 06:23.43 | blast007 | k |
| 06:33.42 | JeffM2501 | now I can get a crash on the sending of a download URL |
| 06:45.25 | JeffM2501 | ohh yeah, the URL stuff will crash and burn, every time |
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| 06:45.40 | JeffM2501 | 2 typos and a mispack |
| 06:45.44 | blast007 | heh |
| 06:46.01 | JeffM2501 | the unpack assumed the first value was the number of resouces |
| 06:46.06 | JeffM2501 | the pack put in the resource code |
| 06:46.28 | JeffM2501 | the URL saver also didn't put the / inbettween data and the downloaded file name. |
| 06:46.52 | JeffM2501 | tho I don' t know how this will work on linux, since most users can't write to data |
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| 07:00.12 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/ (bzflag/playing.cxx bzfs/bzfsAPI.cxx common/cURLManager.cxx): fix crashes when downloading a resource URL from the server ( sounds ) |
| 07:05.10 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/ (bzflag/playing.cxx bzfs/bzfsAPI.cxx common/cURLManager.cxx): fix crashes when downloading a resource URL from the server ( sounds ) |
| 07:09.27 | JeffM2501 | that won't fix your problem |
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| 16:04.34 | Samuel_L_Jackson | Get these God *&^* snakes of this mother *&%$#* airplane! |
| 16:05.55 | A_Meteorite | ... |
| 16:05.58 | A_Heart_Attack | ... |
| 16:06.02 | Mr_Molez | ... |
| 16:06.02 | A_Heart_Attack | nice |
| 16:06.18 | JeffM2501 | so... very... behind....the.... times |
| 16:07.10 | JeffM2501 | or maybe should be known as " a_sad_cry_for_attention" |
| 16:07.23 | A_Meteorite | probably |
| 16:07.27 | A_Meteorite | or "troll" |
| 16:07.31 | A_Heart_Attack | ... |
| 16:07.33 | Mr_Molez | or "k" |
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| 16:09.37 | A_Heart_Attack | ... |
| 16:10.26 | A_Heart_Attack | lol |
| 16:14.30 | JeffM2501 | anyone got a working linux 2.0.6 or better? |
| 16:14.38 | JeffM2501 | and has sound |
| 16:14.46 | A_Meteorite | I wish :) |
| 16:14.50 | I_Died_Once | I'm on 2.0.8 and all owrks great |
| 16:14.52 | DTRemenak | is 2.1 considered better? |
| 16:14.59 | smalltux | 2.0.8 wfm... |
| 16:15.10 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, need to test sound stuff |
| 16:15.49 | JeffM2501 | need people to join one.opencombat.net and see if they hear the laugh sound when people die |
| 16:15.55 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: yeah, I got that...just wondering if you needed someone on an earlier protocol |
| 16:16.06 | JeffM2501 | I am doing 2.0.8 |
| 16:16.14 | DTRemenak | k...I don't qualify then, sorry |
| 16:16.57 | smalltux | oops mine segfaulted :-D |
| 16:17.09 | JeffM2501 | yeah some linux ones seem to |
| 16:17.14 | I_Died_Once | I'm on a CVS of 2.0.9 and sound worksjust lovely for me |
| 16:17.17 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, you SURE you can't build a 2.0 :) |
| 16:17.20 | I_Died_Once | Kubuntu, compiled from source |
| 16:17.28 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: I could probably check it out and build it |
| 16:17.35 | DTRemenak | take a while though |
| 16:17.46 | JeffM2501 | it would help a lot, not every linux client crashes :( |
| 16:17.56 | JeffM2501 | mine dosn't |
| 16:17.58 | JeffM2501 | mac dosn't |
| 16:18.03 | smalltux | hmmm |
| 16:18.12 | smalltux | i think it could be related to the libcurl issue, but i'm not really sure |
| 16:18.24 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 16:18.27 | DTRemenak | smalltux: it's not |
| 16:18.29 | JeffM2501 | it's not using libcurl at all there |
| 16:19.04 | smalltux | well... i wouldn't be surprised. i'm still quite confused from the debugging i've done so far |
| 16:19.20 | smalltux | seems like the curl thing conflicts with something else, but... |
| 16:19.24 | smalltux | this is just a wild theory so far |
| 16:19.27 | JeffM2501 | the resouce handler WAS all screwed up |
| 16:19.31 | JeffM2501 | but this is a local sound |
| 16:19.36 | Saturos | I hear the sound. |
| 16:19.36 | smalltux | oh |
| 16:19.53 | smalltux | nm then, gl trying |
| 16:20.00 | Saturos | but my bz crashed the first time |
| 16:20.32 | I_Died_Once | mine works just fine, got it sent through my stereo |
| 16:21.26 | JeffM2501 | wierd |
| 16:22.45 | JeffM2501 | sadly there is no way to make it play a download sound with out client mods |
| 16:22.56 | JeffM2501 | but existing sounds should work fine |
| 16:23.07 | JeffM2501 | it's that wierd nix crash every so often that bugs me |
| 16:25.24 | JeffM2501 | it's even playing sounds more then one at a time and it's workin |
| 16:25.35 | I_Died_Once | http://img423.imageshack.us/img423/7046/crusherftw4ak.gif |
| 16:26.33 | Saturos | good one |
| 16:28.01 | JeffM2501 | OOHHH I know why it crashed once |
| 16:28.05 | JeffM2501 | gimee a sec |
| 16:28.30 | JeffM2501 | I think I had the download code still in there |
| 16:28.40 | JeffM2501 | and all your clients will crash if they get a request to get a file |
| 16:29.44 | JeffM2501 | server is up again, go in to your data dir and see if you have 3 new sounds, delete them and then try to join again |
| 16:30.01 | JeffM2501 | please :) |
| 16:30.10 | Saturos | do you see a way to locate the data-folder? |
| 16:30.16 | I_Died_Once | http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/8518/ava0ee2sq.gif |
| 16:30.25 | Saturos | I have around 20 BZFlags on my pc, dont know which one uses which data-folder. |
| 16:30.43 | JeffM2501 | that I don't know |
| 16:31.12 | Saturos | okay... whats the name of one of these 3 new sounds? |
| 16:31.18 | Saturos | I could search my hd for it. |
| 16:31.31 | JeffM2501 | itsonfire, goats, and I don't remember the other |
| 16:31.36 | I_Died_Once | ...goats? |
| 16:31.38 | JeffM2501 | or just join |
| 16:31.41 | JeffM2501 | see what it does |
| 16:32.06 | Mr_Molez | i get nothing |
| 16:32.19 | JeffM2501 | no laugh? |
| 16:32.36 | Mr_Molez | no i mean i get no new files |
| 16:32.39 | Mr_Molez | laugh works |
| 16:32.42 | JeffM2501 | oh yeah I tured that off |
| 16:32.45 | JeffM2501 | cus that will crash ya :) |
| 16:32.48 | Mr_Molez | oh ok |
| 16:33.18 | Saturos | laugh is there |
| 16:33.20 | Saturos | no crash |
| 16:33.26 | Saturos | but I didnt delete the files |
| 16:33.27 | JeffM2501 | ok good |
| 16:33.33 | JeffM2501 | it may not have made them for you |
| 16:33.46 | Saturos | still searching :D |
| 16:33.48 | JeffM2501 | next I guess is to have somone try it on a clean system |
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| 16:35.26 | Shaba1 | Hello has anyone had experiance using bzflag on the lcd monitor of a laptop? |
| 16:36.01 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 16:37.00 | Shaba1 | Ok I think this is just the graphic chip I have on the dinosaur |
| 16:37.38 | Shaba1 | But whenever I start the windows version of bzflag on this machine. the screen turns a ghostly grey with almost no contrats. |
| 16:37.39 | JeffM2501 | what is it? |
| 16:38.04 | Shaba1 | Turning up the brightness does not help. Either thru the program options or on the laptop's keyboard. |
| 16:38.11 | JeffM2501 | what card is it? |
| 16:38.12 | Shaba1 | So finally I just uninstalled |
| 16:38.26 | Shaba1 | Lynx3d |
| 16:38.37 | Shaba1 | I know its and offbrand. :( |
| 16:38.42 | JeffM2501 | it may not have enough vram to do a 3d display |
| 16:38.53 | JeffM2501 | lower the resolutioin and make sure you have the current drivers for it |
| 16:39.04 | Shaba1 | Probably not. I thought that might be the problem. |
| 16:39.28 | JeffM2501 | how much vram does it have? |
| 16:39.44 | Shaba1 | I have the ability to run blender. And any other 3d game runs fine provided I have the HD space,ram and cpu it requires. |
| 16:39.55 | Shaba1 | I *think* 4mb. |
| 16:40.03 | JeffM2501 | yeah that's probably not enough |
| 16:40.16 | JeffM2501 | you can try windowed mode see if that helps |
| 16:40.46 | Shaba1 | I will try that |
| 16:40.55 | Shaba1 | but I think I have to get a new laptop |
| 16:41.03 | Shaba1 | I was going to do that anyway |
| 16:41.10 | JeffM2501 | some older/cheper chipsets just don't like to do 3d |
| 16:41.54 | Shaba1 | Oh this thing is on its last legs |
| 16:44.18 | [NP]Tangent | I know I occasionally have problems on my laptop with the contrast due to the screen saver coming on |
| 16:44.26 | [NP]Tangent | might that be part of your problem? |
| 16:44.47 | JeffM2501 | window mode may help, but it's probalby the card dosn't like the gamma ramp function |
| 16:45.55 | JeffM2501 | and trepan watching in the wings :) |
| 16:46.45 | JeffM2501 | so far I think the crash was just the resource thing |
| 16:46.56 | JeffM2501 | next will be to get some people new clients and try it |
| 16:47.07 | JeffM2501 | after I stand in the wet room |
| 16:48.29 | I_Died_Once | OK Jeff... I just joined your little server and my client crashed |
| 16:49.43 | trepan | JeffM2501: got a gdb bt of the sound crash, pastebin.com is being uncooperative |
| 16:50.04 | I_Died_Once | try pastebin.ca |
| 16:50.14 | trepan | already did |
| 16:51.28 | trepan | #0 0x0000000000592daf in addWorldContribution (e=0x92a080, len=0x4087b058) at sound.cxx:861 |
| 16:51.31 | trepan | #1 0x000000000059436a in audioInnerLoop () at sound.cxx:1231 |
| 16:51.33 | trepan | #2 0x00000000006396c6 in SDLMedia::fillAudio (this=0xa15700, stream=0xb2da50 "", len=940) |
| 16:52.24 | trepan | sample buffers not the right length? |
| 16:58.38 | JeffM2501 | wierd cus it's the same sound loader code as the rest of the sounds |
| 16:59.39 | trepan | OpenAL rewrite should cure it |
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| 17:02.01 | JeffM2501 | why would it not crash on playing the sound normaly? |
| 17:02.40 | JeffM2501 | I'd hate to not have remote sounds just cus linux has buggy sound code |
| 17:03.29 | PuMpErNiCkLe | It's not so much buggy as it is bad. |
| 17:04.31 | JeffM2501 | again why dosn't it crash when playing the other sounds then? |
| 17:06.07 | Mr_Molez | 43342227632322322[A |
| 17:09.10 | I_Died_Once | ... |
| 17:10.15 | PuMpErNiCkLe | hey, cool - BZflag composited over Xfce: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/i18164 |
| 17:11.09 | Mr_Molez | oops sorry put something on keyboard |
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| 17:16.31 | Gnurdux | whoa |
| 17:16.37 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, sound test segfaulted clienr |
| 17:16.50 | JeffM2501 | yeah only on some linux systems |
| 17:16.58 | I_Died_Once | "Waaah! Theres a server on the list that crashes my client!" |
| 17:16.58 | Gnurdux | but it worked first.. it started laughing |
| 17:17.09 | JeffM2501 | good |
| 17:17.22 | trepan | JeffM2501: looks like a bogus (uninit) AudioSample* in the SoundEvent |
| 17:17.52 | trepan | gdb: e->samples->duration = 4.3910433597905499e+155 |
| 17:17.54 | Gnurdux | second time it dint crash |
| 17:18.02 | JeffM2501 | wierd, the same function adds the sound for each type |
| 17:19.22 | JeffM2501 | the durration is set in resampleAudio |
| 17:19.41 | trepan | might be better to add the filename to AUdioSample for debugging (assuming you don't just ditch the current code :) |
| 17:19.50 | JeffM2501 | I have no desire to rewrite it here |
| 17:21.08 | JeffM2501 | so yeah I can add the file easy |
| 17:22.43 | trepan | the soundCode is also useful |
| 17:23.36 | JeffM2501 | for future use yeah |
| 17:23.40 | JeffM2501 | like map sounds :) |
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| 17:24.10 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/sound.cxx: save off the sample name in the sample structure |
| 17:28.51 | trepan | e->samples->file.c_str () = 0x435c800040aa9cc5 <Address 0x435c800040aa9cc5 out of bounds> |
| 17:29.10 | JeffM2501 | wierd |
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| 17:29.40 | JeffM2501 | I guess put a breakpoint where the sound is loaded and apended to the samples list |
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| 17:35.41 | JeffM2501 | wish I could get it to crash here |
| 17:38.04 | trepan | std::vector<AudioSamples> soundSamples; => static std::vector<AudioSamples*> |
| 17:38.16 | trepan | adding to the array changes pointer addresses |
| 17:38.39 | trepan | STL classes work by copying objects |
| 17:39.05 | JeffM2501 | does the sample object not copy well? |
| 17:39.27 | trepan | dunno where the AudioSample address is being handed in |
| 17:39.40 | JeffM2501 | it probably dons't copy the pointers |
| 17:39.57 | JeffM2501 | so ether I do it as a vector of pointers or add a copy constructor |
| 17:40.07 | trepan | not the pointers in the AudioSmaple, the pointer to the AudioSmaple itself |
| 17:40.31 | trepan | s/Smaple/Sample X 2 |
| 17:41.18 | trepan | if a SoundEvent is being played while another sound is added, the soundEvent's samples* pointer becomes invalid |
| 17:41.29 | JeffM2501 | ahh ok |
| 17:41.39 | JeffM2501 | ok so a vector of pointers it is |
| 17:41.41 | JeffM2501 | thanks |
| 17:41.52 | JeffM2501 | hence why it's probably a rare crash |
| 17:42.00 | JeffM2501 | and it used to be a fixed size array |
| 17:42.01 | trepan | damned consistent over here :) |
| 17:42.18 | trepan | diff STL implementations... |
| 17:42.24 | JeffM2501 | yeah probably |
| 17:43.15 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, is the sound test just play history tracker without the lines commented? |
| 17:43.49 | JeffM2501 | dude chill |
| 17:43.53 | JeffM2501 | think about the question |
| 17:44.30 | JeffM2501 | so basicly no remote sounds with out client mods, so is there even a point for doing it in 2.0 |
| 17:44.30 | trepan | JeffM2501: "if (soundCode > 0)" (~line 515), >= ? |
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| 17:45.16 | trepan | JeffM2501: could prefix the sound string with junk to avoid crashing older clients |
| 17:45.40 | JeffM2501 | I'm adding a message back to the server that tells if they support remote sounds or not |
| 17:45.49 | JeffM2501 | and any other capabilitys we want to hang on it |
| 17:46.24 | trepan | for 2.0.x? might as well just change the Msg code |
| 17:46.25 | JeffM2501 | it's also helpfull so to not send sounds to bots |
| 17:46.44 | JeffM2501 | I don't know what it's going in yet |
| 17:47.11 | JeffM2501 | yeah could make it be a new code as well |
| 17:47.29 | JeffM2501 | I kinda like the server knowing who wants sounds and who dosn't, so it can send them to just the people who want em |
| 17:47.43 | Gnurdux | anyway to do that in 2.0? |
| 17:47.45 | JeffM2501 | there is also the fact that old clients can't download a sound |
| 17:47.53 | JeffM2501 | so the caps help for that |
| 17:48.07 | JeffM2501 | the sound downloader was all busted |
| 17:49.38 | trepan | CacheManager |
| 17:49.56 | JeffM2501 | yeah yeah yeah |
| 17:51.47 | trepan | might as well do it now, CacheManager::getLocalName() is easy to use |
| 17:52.19 | JeffM2501 | I'll do it for 2.1 |
| 17:53.48 | I_Died_Once | I love a good rogueGenocide hit on a server chocked full of rogues |
| 17:54.00 | I_Died_Once | its why I quit playing AS a rogue myself |
| 17:54.54 | Gnurdux | I_Died_Once, did you see the plugin that Theme97 and I made: UltraGeno -- One hit kills everyone not on your team, or everyone but you if you're a rogue |
| 17:55.20 | Gnurdux | unless you shoot yourself, or a teammate when you aren't a rogue |
| 17:55.37 | I_Died_Once | ahhhhhh |
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| 17:55.47 | I_Died_Once | that seems almost like a game breaker |
| 17:55.50 | Gnurdux | heh |
| 17:59.14 | JeffM2501 | I'm thinking screw it for 2.0.x cus it'll just need client updates, and I have no plans for a 2.0.10 |
| 17:59.26 | JeffM2501 | if it was able to be just a server thing, then maybe |
| 17:59.28 | Gnurdux | at least release it as a patch |
| 17:59.42 | JeffM2501 | why? |
| 17:59.49 | Gnurdux | more people than you think run CVS also |
| 17:59.51 | JeffM2501 | so that servers that crash old clients will exist? |
| 18:00.03 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, no what about that new message thing? |
| 18:00.16 | trepan | ya, i've lost interest in 2.0.10 as well |
| 18:00.18 | JeffM2501 | too much work for a feature that isn't going to get enough use |
| 18:00.37 | JeffM2501 | I know a number of people use cvs clients |
| 18:00.45 | JeffM2501 | but they are still a very very small percentage |
| 18:01.16 | Gnurdux | also, 2.1 seems kind of dead at the moment.. and the main reason for no 2.0.10 is to hellp 2.1, but nothing is getting done on 2.1 anyways |
| 18:01.36 | trepan | Gnurdux: what's your point? |
| 18:01.50 | JeffM2501 | you ever think that 2.1 is dead becaue people keep saying to put stuff in 2.0 ;) |
| 18:02.12 | Gnurdux | that since not much work is getting done on 2.1 right now, it might make sense to make a 2.0.10 so that people don't need to wait 2 years for 2.2? |
| 18:02.15 | I_Died_Once | they need to port apt-get to windows |
| 18:02.30 | JeffM2501 | what makes you think 2.2 will be 2 years away |
| 18:02.34 | JeffM2501 | where do you get this stuff |
| 18:02.41 | Gnurdux | I'm exaggerating |
| 18:02.42 | trac_ | it is quite messy at the moment |
| 18:03.09 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, and what does exageration do for you? other then make you look like a fool? |
| 18:03.17 | Gnurdux | nothing |
| 18:03.31 | JeffM2501 | see what I said about your comments in serious discussions |
| 18:03.34 | JeffM2501 | you are NOT helping |
| 18:05.57 | Gnurdux | as of the current, a large fraction of the 2.1 changes could be put into 2.0 with backwards compatibility |
| 18:06.10 | JeffM2501 | or why not just release 2.2? |
| 18:06.16 | I_Died_Once | Gnu - that SOUNDS easy in theory |
| 18:06.34 | JeffM2501 | you'll spend less time just releasing 2.2 |
| 18:06.41 | JeffM2501 | the proto for 2.0 is not some golden child |
| 18:07.01 | Gnurdux | no, it sucks, but is the 2.2 proto even done being designed? |
| 18:07.09 | JeffM2501 | there is no design |
| 18:07.11 | Mr_Molez | I thought 2.2 wasn't going to be released till there is server side detection ? |
| 18:07.14 | JeffM2501 | get it thru your freaking head |
| 18:07.22 | trac_ | 2.2 has still some significant bugs, doesnt it? |
| 18:07.28 | JeffM2501 | Mr_Molez, we can release whatever we want when we want |
| 18:07.33 | JeffM2501 | yeah it does, but those are fixable |
| 18:07.44 | trac_ | ok, list them, and i do whatever i can ;) |
| 18:07.49 | JeffM2501 | we could say "hey 2.2, it's got less cheats, but not all of them" |
| 18:07.57 | JeffM2501 | read the bugs file |
| 18:08.02 | JeffM2501 | that's why we write it |
| 18:08.15 | trac_ | ahhhh... forgot this one... ;) *sry* |
| 18:10.48 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/ (bzflag/sound.cxx date/buildDate.cxx): |
| 18:10.48 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: make the sound sample data say in one place ( store a pointer to it ) |
| 18:10.49 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: bump the proto and version so we know everyone has good remote sounds |
| 18:12.24 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, if someone wrote a 2.0 patch to fix remote sounds, and make the server only send if the client accepted, would you put it in? |
| 18:14.33 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 18:14.45 | JeffM2501 | If I was willing to put it in, why would I not just do it? |
| 18:15.05 | Gnurdux | because it isn't worth your time? |
| 18:15.05 | JeffM2501 | or am I too lazy? |
| 18:15.22 | JeffM2501 | the time to patch it, and the time to do it are the same |
| 18:15.27 | JeffM2501 | since I have to fix it for 2.1 |
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| 18:18.08 | JeffM2501 | the "message" is even done in my 2.0 branch, I just don't think it's worth it from a design standpoint |
| 18:19.43 | JeffM2501 | trepan, how does one get the date and key for said cache manager stuff? |
| 18:20.05 | trepan | one sec, i'll commit |
| 18:20.15 | JeffM2501 | ahh thanks |
| 18:20.24 | JeffM2501 | and that will put it in the config dir right? |
| 18:20.32 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, what harm will it do? |
| 18:20.51 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, potentealy drag on 2.0 longer then it should |
| 18:20.58 | trepan | yup, under CONFIG/cache/http/ or ftp/ |
| 18:21.18 | Mr_Molez | what's use of a new release ? nothing has changed |
| 18:21.20 | trepan | but you'll have to send custom sounds as full URLs |
| 18:21.20 | JeffM2501 | cool, cus I was thinking that people may not have write access to the data dir ;) |
| 18:21.33 | JeffM2501 | Mr_Molez, if some things have changed, there are some new features |
| 18:21.43 | trepan | you'll also be able to preload them as bogus textures |
| 18:21.51 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 18:22.11 | JeffM2501 | probably better to just add a "resouce" type to the map and have it send the download message |
| 18:22.14 | JeffM2501 | instead of faking it |
| 18:22.17 | JeffM2501 | since we can break :) |
| 18:22.23 | trepan | (it's what I did for the shaders) |
| 18:22.42 | trepan | yup, was planning on modding Downloads.cxx to do multiple types, but then it went to hell |
| 18:22.44 | JeffM2501 | I think we shouuld generic it :) |
| 18:23.36 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, also: remember you screwed up my variable saving patch and made it not work for varsfiles, while my version did... can you fix that in 2.1? |
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| 18:25.40 | Gnurdux | also: in bzfsAPI.h observer needs to go before rabbit and hunter |
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| 18:31.04 | zee045 | any macthes today |
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| 18:52.58 | JeffM2501 | wow your just on a rool today arn't ya skippy |
| 18:54.11 | JeffM2501 | need me to wash your car for ya too? |
| 18:54.20 | ruskie | :) |
| 18:56.04 | JeffM2501 | and I recall doing the vars thing for a reason |
| 18:56.09 | JeffM2501 | not "screwing it up" |
| 18:56.32 | CBG | Gnurdux: you ever think that telling people they are lazy and that they screwed up everything you did might not go down well...? That it may be why you get banned...? |
| 19:07.34 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/sound.cxx: plug a couple of small leaks |
| 19:10.05 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: |
| 19:10.05 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: - play URL sounds from the CacheManager directory |
| 19:10.05 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: - save Resource files into the CacheManager directory |
| 19:10.05 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: (CacheManager functionality should be added into ResourceGetter, |
| 19:10.05 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: with extra states to check the file's status) |
| 19:10.09 | trepan | untested, and mixed tabs/spaces |
| 19:12.08 | trepan | if the texture d/l still works in 2.1, then that can be used with CacheManager status checking (via fake textures) |
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| 19:14.12 | JeffM2501 | don't think the sound code knows to look in the textures dir |
| 19:14.54 | trepan | BzfMedia will try the filename raw |
| 19:15.44 | JeffM2501 | ahh ok |
| 19:15.55 | trepan | really need some sort of centralized vfs |
| 19:16.01 | JeffM2501 | very much so |
| 19:18.05 | trepan | lemme know if it works at all (assuming that you're going to play with d/l sounds) |
| 19:18.37 | JeffM2501 | I will when I get back from the movies |
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| 19:21.17 | A_Meteorite | movies! |
| 19:21.22 | A_Meteorite | whatcha going to watch Jeff? |
| 19:21.25 | A_Meteorite | :) |
| 19:21.53 | JeffM2501 | superman then pirates |
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| 19:23.05 | SportChick | JeffM2501: cool |
| 19:23.27 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (9 files in 3 dirs): |
| 19:23.27 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: cap bits message to tell the serer if we want downloads or remote sounds at all ( |
| 19:23.27 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: don't send stuff to bots or bzadmins ) |
| 19:24.57 | JeffM2501 | it's not hot :) |
| 19:25.15 | ruskie | these two days were at a great temp... not hot... just right :) |
| 19:25.18 | Gnurdux | maybe not where you are |
| 19:37.24 | TD-Linux | trepan: what's the bzw keyword to prevent something from being drawn on the hud at all (only drawn on radar) ? |
| 19:45.16 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx: /sound command for testing, probably remove it later |
| 19:45.42 | trepan | TD-Linux: color 0 0 0 0.001 should work |
| 19:49.01 | TD-Linux | trepan: okay, but why not color 0 0 0 0 ? |
| 19:49.40 | A_Meteorite | too bad there isn't a keyword that totally removes hud drawing instead of drawing something with 100% transparency :) |
| 19:49.52 | A_Meteorite | (at least, that seems more resource intensive, albeit a tad) |
| 19:50.01 | QuantumBeep | I understand that a transparent object is not drawn at all |
| 19:50.13 | Gnurdux | if the alpha is 0, opengl is smart enough to not draw it |
| 19:50.19 | A_Meteorite | ah |
| 19:50.28 | TD-Linux | my main problem is that meshes draw ugly... so I'm putting in extra faces just for the radar |
| 19:51.23 | TD-Linux | but there is still another problem: meshes draw ugly on radar, without any antialiasing/blending (or whatever) done. Only 1.x boxes and pyramids are antialiased on radar. |
| 19:52.12 | TD-Linux | I would convert BoxyWar entirely to meshes, but A_Meteorite is too picky about his radar ;) |
| 19:52.23 | A_Meteorite | lol, I don't want a squiggly radar |
| 19:52.34 | A_Meteorite | it's bad enough with just a few meshes :) |
| 19:52.41 | TD-Linux | me neither :) |
| 19:52.43 | A_Meteorite | brb |
| 19:52.44 | TD-Linux | hmm |
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| 19:59.42 | A_Meteorite | does anyone own a geforce 3 or a geforce 4 mx? |
| 19:59.47 | trac_ | me |
| 19:59.53 | trac_ | mx 440 :) |
| 19:59.57 | A_Meteorite | how's the framerates, at boxy war for example? |
| 20:00.02 | A_Meteorite | ah |
| 20:00.06 | A_Meteorite | 32MB? |
| 20:00.11 | trac_ | 64mb :) |
| 20:00.22 | A_Meteorite | ah, can you tell me what your FPS is at boxy war? |
| 20:00.32 | A_Meteorite | in observer |
| 20:00.32 | trac_ | let me check... |
| 20:00.42 | A_Meteorite | thanks |
| 20:00.47 | Matt123 | why do you want that met |
| 20:01.00 | A_Meteorite | someone is getting a pci card, they need a fps reference ;) |
| 20:01.08 | A_Meteorite | (and how much better than integrated it is) |
| 20:01.24 | trac_ | it is between 55 and 65 (mostly 60) |
| 20:01.26 | TD-Linux | pci??? |
| 20:01.54 | TD-Linux | A_Meteorite: All of Louman's maps have jaggy radar. |
| 20:02.03 | A_Meteorite | trac_: what's your CPU/RAM/BZFlag Settings? |
| 20:02.08 | A_Meteorite | so I can get a general idea :) |
| 20:02.11 | trac_ | wohaaaa |
| 20:02.26 | trac_ | u like to know my password too ;)) |
| 20:02.31 | A_Meteorite | no :P |
| 20:02.41 | A_Meteorite | I just don't got any good comparisons |
| 20:02.48 | trac_ | it is an amd 2100+ with about 512mb ddr |
| 20:02.56 | trac_ | bzflag is at experimental level |
| 20:03.13 | trac_ | oh and by the way: i am using arch linux :) |
| 20:03.25 | A_Meteorite | ok, thanks |
| 20:03.32 | A_Meteorite | :) |
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| 20:09.25 | trac_ | who checks the patches from the sourceforge - patch side? |
| 20:11.01 | uso | TD-Linux: that's why loumans maps are nice to look at but bad to play |
| 20:11.20 | uso | radar is much more essential for playing than hud |
| 20:11.25 | TD-Linux | even meshboxes and arcs are jaggy on radar :( |
| 20:11.36 | TD-Linux | so if I want pretty radar, I guess I'm limited to boxes and pyramids |
| 20:11.38 | A_Meteorite | I just wish the radar was antialaised |
| 20:12.10 | TD-Linux | I sent trepan a PM about it, I'd rather not forget if he tells me how to fix it :) |
| 20:13.54 | A_Meteorite | heh |
| 20:14.33 | SportChick | jef: it's VERY hot! it's well over 80 here already :( |
| 20:14.36 | SportChick | pfft, he left |
| 20:15.58 | TD-Linux | I made a hack to make it draw pretty on radar |
| 20:16.10 | TD-Linux | put a normal box inside the mesh, and have the mesh not draw on radar :P |
| 20:16.20 | TD-Linux | that can't do much for framerate tho |
| 20:19.20 | trepan | meshes are anti-aliased on the radar |
| 20:19.27 | trepan | they just aren't done with a outline |
| 20:19.48 | trepan | unfortunately, inside edges are also AA'ed |
| 20:19.50 | A_Meteorite | I would love to see them anti-aliased on the outline then :P |
| 20:20.15 | trepan | A_Meteorite: are you stupid? |
| 20:20.21 | A_Meteorite | no |
| 20:20.28 | trepan | using ":P" in a request? |
| 20:20.49 | A_Meteorite | I would love to see them anti-aliased on the outline then, please? |
| 20:20.54 | A_Meteorite | it would look nicer |
| 20:21.47 | trepan | not "on the outline", sounds like you'd want outlines added to meshes, which requires detection of the topview outline |
| 20:22.03 | A_Meteorite | um |
| 20:22.09 | A_Meteorite | you're playing with my head right? |
| 20:22.24 | trepan | there are tricks for making halos, but it prolly isn't worth the effort |
| 20:22.32 | trepan | and I sure won't be doing it |
| 20:25.50 | TD-Linux | that's interesting... hmm |
| 20:27.07 | TD-Linux | I don't need outlines, it's just that the shape seems a lot more jaggy than boxes... |
| 20:27.21 | TD-Linux | hmm |
| 20:27.33 | TD-Linux | let me try a different radar type... |
| 20:30.08 | TD-Linux | It appears the boxes are outlined, maybe my videocard draws lines better than polygons? |
| 20:30.26 | TD-Linux | going to try 2.1 client for fun... |
| 20:31.23 | DTRemenak | trac_: various developers check the patch tracker occasionally |
| 20:31.39 | trac_ | thx DTRemenak :) |
| 20:31.52 | DTRemenak | as if that was useful information in any way :P |
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| 20:32.28 | trac_ | hehe, it is... i posted a very little patch today and wondered if anybody EVER will see it... "occasionally" is a yes ;) |
| 20:32.37 | A_Meteorite | trepan: then how does it anti-alias 1.x objects on the radar? or am I being super dumb? |
| 20:33.07 | DTRemenak | trac_: it is permissible to paste a link and request that somebody look at the patch, as long as you aren't spamming it or begging or something pathetic like that :) |
| 20:35.51 | trac_ | ok, thanks DTRemenak :) one last stupid question: where do i post that link or are u still talking from sf? |
| 20:36.28 | DTRemenak | I mean, here...if you want someone to review it and nobody has for a few days, drop by here and paste a link to the sf patch post |
| 20:37.19 | DTRemenak | like, "can someone review http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1523448&group_id=3248&atid=303248 ?" |
| 20:37.31 | trac_ | ahhh, i see |
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| 20:55.19 | TD-Linux | http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/7972/noaavk7.png |
| 20:55.31 | TD-Linux | I don't see any AA on the mesh there :( |
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| 20:59.37 | uso | src/game/LagInfo.cxx: LagInfo::updatePingLag, the last else tree at the end of the method needs an additional jittwarn = false; and jittkick = false; |
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| 21:00.12 | uso | otherwise player get kicked occationally for too much jitter without having it ;) |
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| 21:20.09 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/LocalPlayer.cxx: apply patch 1523448 from TRAC: correctly unset Teleporting player status when teleporting time expires |
| 21:22.40 | DTRemenak | funny thing is, that code was in tim's original cvs checkin. nobody ever used the teleporting status flag for anything... |
| 21:31.41 | uso | if you are at fixing things could you please add the 2 lines to LagInfo.cxx? or shall i make a patch? |
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| 21:40.57 | DTRemenak | uso: there ya go |
| 21:40.59 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/game/LagInfo.cxx: don't falsely warn or kick for jitter |
| 21:41.13 | uso | thanks :) |
| 21:41.31 | DTRemenak | np :) |
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| 21:45.32 | Skeeve | @DTRemenak: Hi! Could you check my Hatswitch patch? Was it applyable? |
| 21:47.13 | DTRemenak | I still need to review it. Probably won't apply to HEAD, but I can work around that. |
| 21:50.10 | DTRemenak | I looked at it briefly last night. Certainly looks like it'll work, but it didn't immediately strike me as the best way. It may, however, be the "least bad" way, so we'll see :) |
| 21:58.15 | DTRemenak | there's a fundamental problem in that hatswitches are handled very differently on different platforms |
| 21:59.05 | DTRemenak | sdl handles them as a bitmask of directions. windows handles them as a knob pointed n degrees from vertical. linux natively handles them as a pair of absolute axes. |
| 22:01.49 | DTRemenak | if we take your approach we're basically saying that the sdl way is the right way for bzflag, and everyone other platform has to adapt. that may well be (probably is, actually), but it's a pretty big statement nonetheless :) |
| 22:09.49 | DTRemenak | I'm also mildly concerned by how 8-position dpads will end up treated (with the diagonals counting as both x and y). It's certainly correct if you're using it for driving, but if that's what they'll be used for, why don't we just treat it as an axis? |
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| 22:18.29 | Gnurdux | anyone know the comparison between nvidia MX4000 and fx5200? |
| 22:18.46 | DTRemenak | 5200 has shaders |
| 22:19.18 | Gnurdux | is that important? |
| 22:19.30 | DTRemenak | depends if you run games that use shaders |
| 22:19.38 | Gnurdux | is that the only difference? |
| 22:21.13 | DTRemenak | pretty much. fx5200 is newer. |
| 22:21.29 | DTRemenak | they're both pretty much obsolete though |
| 22:22.22 | blast007 | he's only got PCI |
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| 22:23.00 | Gnurdux | ok then I think I'll go with an MX4000 |
| 22:23.32 | [NP]Tangent | heh, I had an idea for a league |
| 22:23.37 | [NP]Tangent | it's too bad that there's already so many |
| 22:23.38 | Gnurdux | lol what is it? |
| 22:23.41 | [NP]Tangent | there would be no point in making it |
| 22:23.44 | [NP]Tangent | ah well |
| 22:24.06 | Gnurdux | what is it??? |
| 22:24.06 | [NP]Tangent | it would be called Maze Runners, where you have two teams of three running around a big maze trying to CTF |
| 22:24.12 | Gnurdux | hhe |
| 22:24.20 | [NP]Tangent | no radar ;) |
| 22:24.23 | Gnurdux | no jumping, 3 shots, rico |
| 22:24.27 | [NP]Tangent | yeah |
| 22:24.30 | [NP]Tangent | well no |
| 22:24.34 | [NP]Tangent | no jumping, 3 shots, no rico |
| 22:24.42 | Gnurdux | rico makes it funner |
| 22:24.54 | [NP]Tangent | not in an enclosed maze |
| 22:24.59 | [NP]Tangent | then it's more painful |
| 22:25.00 | Gnurdux | why? |
| 22:25.05 | [NP]Tangent | but I could enable only the Rico flag |
| 22:25.17 | Gnurdux | superflags are bad for leagues |
| 22:25.30 | [NP]Tangent | only the rico flag |
| 22:25.46 | [NP]Tangent | or no flags |
| 22:25.48 | [NP]Tangent | either way |
| 22:25.56 | Gnurdux | whats wrong with just plain rico? |
| 22:26.54 | [NP]Tangent | well, on my current maze map, it's complete pain in the rear |
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| 22:27.03 | [NP]Tangent | so much that the Rico flag is almost considered a bad flag |
| 22:27.14 | Gnurdux | hmm |
| 22:27.22 | [NP]Tangent | I mean |
| 22:27.23 | Gnurdux | then no rico |
| 22:27.25 | [NP]Tangent | it's fun and all |
| 22:27.41 | [NP]Tangent | but you'd better be dead on with your first shot |
| 22:27.50 | [NP]Tangent | two shots, and you probably take yourself out as well |
| 22:27.52 | ruskie | my map will be jumping, rico, 5 shots |
| 22:28.04 | Gnurdux | yea... i like 4 shots |
| 22:28.29 | ruskie | of course it's a labyrinth with 3 levels |
| 22:28.32 | ruskie | and traps |
| 22:28.43 | Gnurdux | [NP]Tangent, well i was involved in starting a league that was announced today, so i say the more the better |
| 22:28.46 | [NP]Tangent | hey ruskie, did you ever see map? |
| 22:28.51 | Gnurdux | most leagues will die soon enough |
| 22:28.53 | [NP]Tangent | which league, Gnurdux? |
| 22:29.00 | Gnurdux | [NP]Tangent, check leagues forum :P |
| 22:29.03 | ruskie | [NP]Tangent, nope my map is about a year old |
| 22:29.09 | ruskie | I didn't finish it yet though |
| 22:29.25 | [NP]Tangent | I might just set up occasional tourneys, Gnurdux |
| 22:29.26 | ruskie | still needs all the extra goodies |
| 22:29.32 | [NP]Tangent | yeah |
| 22:29.47 | [NP]Tangent | I want to add some hidden physics drivers |
| 22:29.57 | ruskie | there'll be a few of those... |
| 22:30.04 | ruskie | spikes etc :) |
| 22:30.06 | [NP]Tangent | like if you're OO and you're in a wall, it will try to push you out |
| 22:30.16 | Gnurdux | [NP]Tangent, but no superflags :P |
| 22:30.18 | Gnurdux | wait.... |
| 22:30.19 | [NP]Tangent | preferrably in the direction of a deathtrap |
| 22:30.23 | [NP]Tangent | yeah, no flags |
| 22:30.24 | ruskie | worthless on my map :) |
| 22:30.34 | ruskie | ohh there'll be superflags here :) |
| 22:30.35 | Gnurdux | do phydrvs work when sealed? |
| 22:30.40 | [NP]Tangent | in my map, flags don't do a lot except quick turn |
| 22:30.47 | [NP]Tangent | or OO |
| 22:30.49 | [NP]Tangent | or CL |
| 22:30.54 | ruskie | cl will save you from the laser trap |
| 22:31.18 | [NP]Tangent | heh |
| 22:31.18 | Gnurdux | [NP]Tangent, league.bzfx.net |
| 22:31.23 | [NP]Tangent | oh |
| 22:31.28 | [NP]Tangent | I'm on that site right now, Gnurdux |
| 22:31.31 | [NP]Tangent | I think I'll join |
| 22:31.31 | [NP]Tangent | :) |
| 22:31.33 | ruskie | but I wonder how the geno trap will be handled :) |
| 22:31.56 | Gnurdux | [NP]Tangent, good! with luck we may have even 2 WHOLE WEEKS of activity! |
| 22:32.07 | DTRemenak | probably not |
| 22:32.18 | Gnurdux | DTRemenak, i said with luck |
| 22:32.29 | DTRemenak | and I said, probably not :P |
| 22:32.44 | ruskie | well I'm off te bed... nyx all |
| 22:32.50 | DTRemenak | iow, you'll need more luck than you probably have |
| 22:33.10 | [NP]Tangent | well, I'll join |
| 22:33.19 | [NP]Tangent | I'll see if I can get soulreaperzzzz or aprehend to join |
| 22:33.39 | Gnurdux | away dinner |
| 22:36.51 | [NP]Tangent | alright, registered |
| 22:37.10 | [NP]Tangent | once I master this joystick |
| 22:37.13 | [NP]Tangent | I WILL OWN YOU ALL |
| 22:37.48 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 22:37.54 | DTRemenak | playing with a joystick never helped me :P |
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| 22:49.09 | [NP]Tangent | DTRemenak, I find that playing with the joystick makes it twice as fun as playing with keyboard |
| 22:49.21 | DTRemenak | oh, more fun, sure...but not any better :) |
| 22:50.50 | [NP]Tangent | aww, my joystick isn't working |
| 22:52.25 | [NP]Tangent | well crud |
| 22:52.27 | [NP]Tangent | that sucks |
| 22:56.09 | Gnurdux | DTRemenak, what do you play with? |
| 22:56.16 | Gnurdux | keyboard or mouse? |
| 22:56.21 | DTRemenak | mouse |
| 22:56.29 | DTRemenak | or joystick |
| 22:56.33 | Gnurdux | same.. i think bzflag's mouse controls are awesome |
| 22:57.28 | Gnurdux | wait no joystick, tho i do have a joystick lying around someplace |
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| 23:03.44 | [NP]Tangent | um yeah |
| 23:03.46 | [NP]Tangent | there we go |
| 23:08.35 | [NP]Tangent | bz time |
| 23:08.38 | [NP]Tangent | SILVERCAT HERE I COME |
| 23:10.49 | Skeeve | @DTRemenak... Sorry was on a hunt on the austrian server. You are absolutely rigth and I wanted to handle Hat switch differently |
| 23:11.16 | Skeeve | But I found this the least annoying way ;-) |
| 23:11.36 | Skeeve | Maybe we can make the handling "selectable"? |
| 23:11.55 | Skeeve | It depends on which kind of hatswitch one has. |
| 23:12.11 | Skeeve | For a D-Pad like mine, this is the best solutio I can think of |
| 23:13.06 | DTRemenak | making it selectable is even uglier :S the more I look at it the more I think your code is the least bad solution |
| 23:13.36 | Skeeve | ;-) I had another version with 8 directions |
| 23:13.51 | DTRemenak | yeah. that'd make it impossible to drive with it |
| 23:13.56 | Skeeve | It's almost impossible to press the diagonal at once correct |
| 23:14.16 | Skeeve | Yes. That's true. |
| 23:14.28 | DTRemenak | hm. dunno how hard/ugly it'd be to have it selectable between 4 and 8 directions. |
| 23:14.35 | Skeeve | My solution was merely copying what's already ther |
| 23:14.54 | Skeeve | So plugging the text into the Button list |
| 23:15.10 | Skeeve | My other code was even more ugly |
| 23:15.15 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 23:15.29 | Skeeve | But it wouldn't be too difficult to make that selectable |
| 23:15.43 | Skeeve | No... My code was ugly |
| 23:16.11 | Skeeve | Containing many BZ_ill_1_15 texts for illegal directions like up+down+left+right |
| 23:16.21 | DTRemenak | heh! |
| 23:17.08 | Skeeve | Did you also see the patch in the forum for better joystick handling? |
| 23:17.18 | DTRemenak | workaphobia's? |
| 23:17.25 | DTRemenak | I checked a modified version of that in months ago |
| 23:17.27 | Skeeve | I already use that and it's pretty good. Yes. That one |
| 23:17.34 | DTRemenak | that's why your patch won't apply cleanly to head |
| 23:17.45 | Skeeve | I can merge them |
| 23:17.50 | Skeeve | No problem |
| 23:17.52 | DTRemenak | naw, better not to |
| 23:18.03 | DTRemenak | like I said, 'twas a modified version :) |
| 23:18.27 | DTRemenak | best thing would be for you to check out cvs head, apply your changes, and rediff from that tree. that's a lot of work for you though. |
| 23:18.29 | Skeeve | Next thing I want to implement is the use of a second analog stick |
| 23:18.40 | DTRemenak | how would you use two sticks at once? |
| 23:18.54 | Skeeve | My problem with CVS was: I could't compile from that |
| 23:19.02 | DTRemenak | really? |
| 23:19.15 | Skeeve | Did you see the image? I postet a URL last time |
| 23:19.20 | DTRemenak | no, sorry :) |
| 23:19.24 | Skeeve | My gamepad has 2 Sticks |
| 23:19.34 | Skeeve | It's like a playstatin controller |
| 23:19.40 | DTRemenak | yeah, but I mean, what would you have them do...one is for driving around, what's the other one for? |
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| 23:19.52 | Skeeve | I use the left one for normal driving |
| 23:19.59 | Skeeve | the right on e for half speed |
| 23:20.14 | Skeeve | Givving me mor control when I havt to travel slowly |
| 23:21.12 | Skeeve | It simply divides by two. I already posted a version on the forum. But that's not as clean as I want it |
| 23:22.27 | Skeeve | Anyway... 1:22 in the night here... I'll leave |
| 23:23.06 | Skeeve | Maybe you can leave a note in the forum whether or not you like the 2-Stick idea |
| 23:23.10 | Skeeve | Good night |
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