| 00:00.02 | *** join/#bzflag Gnurdux (n=gnurdux@c-69-251-233-242.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
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| 00:00.16 | big_daddy2 | hi! |
| 00:00.33 | big_daddy2 | canu make me a server gnurdux? |
| 00:02.13 | big_daddy2 | who can host |
| 00:02.23 | JeffM2501 | umm generaly it dosn't work that way |
| 00:02.33 | big_daddy2 | nok =( |
| 00:02.35 | CBG | big_daddy2: what do you want to run..? |
| 00:02.37 | JeffM2501 | people only host for people they know well |
| 00:02.38 | CBG | you made a map..? |
| 00:02.44 | big_daddy2 | ffa |
| 00:02.48 | big_daddy2 | yes |
| 00:02.52 | JeffM2501 | and yes, what would make your server difrent from the 200 others we have? |
| 00:02.57 | big_daddy2 | ni dont have conf though |
| 00:03.08 | CBG | ok, so "release" it, and if it is good, someone may offer to host it for you. |
| 00:03.08 | JeffM2501 | if you want your map hosted, best is to post it on bzbb under the map released |
| 00:03.16 | CBG | yeah, as JeffM2501 says. |
| 00:03.18 | JeffM2501 | yeah somone may add it on there server |
| 00:03.37 | big_daddy2 | i got my map i need some 1 to host it |
| 00:03.44 | JeffM2501 | did you make the map? |
| 00:03.54 | CBG | big_daddy2: yeah, so do 100s of other mappers. |
| 00:04.04 | big_daddy2 | yes |
| 00:04.14 | CBG | Your map will be hosted, if it is released and someone WANTS to host it. |
| 00:04.21 | big_daddy2 | how |
| 00:04.22 | Gnurdux | big_daddy2, what about yoU? |
| 00:04.25 | CBG | Don't just go around saying "I made a map, Host it!" |
| 00:04.32 | JeffM2501 | post it on BZBB under the map releases section |
| 00:04.34 | Gnurdux | what happened with your dad? |
| 00:04.35 | JeffM2501 | that's what it's there for |
| 00:04.39 | Gnurdux | also, lemme see the map |
| 00:04.47 | big_daddy2 | had to go on a trip |
| 00:04.50 | big_daddy2 | ok |
| 00:04.57 | big_daddy2 | do u got hotmail |
| 00:04.57 | Gnurdux | oh and a bunch of people have shell accounts on my box |
| 00:05.01 | CBG | There are already more servers than players, any sensible server owner won't host your map just because you wan't them to. |
| 00:05.03 | Gnurdux | big_daddy2, no |
| 00:05.09 | big_daddy2 | can i have 1? |
| 00:05.16 | menotume | oh no |
| 00:05.23 | Gnurdux | big_daddy2, too many people have em already |
| 00:05.29 | big_daddy2 | plz |
| 00:05.37 | big_daddy2 | i need 1 |
| 00:05.43 | JeffM2501 | thank god AOL dosn't give out shell acounts |
| 00:05.44 | Gnurdux | a heart attack, constitution, cruel dog, and theme97 |
| 00:05.47 | Gnurdux | ask any of them |
| 00:05.56 | menotume | he's been asking on servers all day :) |
| 00:05.59 | big_daddy2 | where are they |
| 00:06.00 | Gnurdux | tell them Gnurdux says its OK |
| 00:06.01 | JeffM2501 | realy |
| 00:06.08 | JeffM2501 | big_daddy2, don't be annoying |
| 00:06.11 | Gnurdux | big_daddy2, http://my.bzflag.org/currentplayers.php |
| 00:06.13 | JeffM2501 | post it on bzbb and just wait |
| 00:06.23 | JeffM2501 | if you bug people about it noone will want to do it |
| 00:06.33 | menotume | that's all he's been doing |
| 00:06.37 | JeffM2501 | so let me guess 12 AND not a native english speaker |
| 00:06.39 | CBG | big_daddy2: maps are released every day, I bet not even 10% of them get hosted. |
| 00:06.43 | CBG | ah, he left... :( |
| 00:06.44 | JeffM2501 | he's gone |
| 00:06.44 | menotume | besides being arrogant while playing :) |
| 00:06.49 | JeffM2501 | I see |
| 00:06.50 | Gnurdux | he is a native english speaker, I already asked... |
| 00:06.57 | JeffM2501 | WOW |
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| 00:07.04 | JeffM2501 | how old? |
| 00:07.08 | Gnurdux | dunno |
| 00:07.12 | Gnurdux | wait |
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| 00:07.15 | Gnurdux | yes i do |
| 00:07.18 | Gnurdux | older than 12 |
| 00:07.22 | JeffM2501 | ether has to be young or very dumb |
| 00:07.22 | Gnurdux | older than me |
| 00:07.27 | JeffM2501 | realy? |
| 00:07.27 | spldart | Was wanting to thank Digital Pioneer for the idea... Painted the halo's to match the bases |
| 00:07.30 | JeffM2501 | so 14? |
| 00:07.31 | Gnurdux | yes |
| 00:07.33 | Gnurdux | im 14 |
| 00:07.35 | Gnurdux | hes 16 |
| 00:07.38 | CBG | I was also about to point out: Players: 137, Servers: 218. |
| 00:07.47 | Gnurdux | agh |
| 00:07.48 | JeffM2501 | yeah, that's the core problem |
| 00:07.54 | JeffM2501 | ok so he's just a jerk |
| 00:07.59 | CBG | He's 16...? Wow! |
| 00:08.29 | CBG | I need to kill 2 of my 3. :| |
| 00:08.32 | Gnurdux | wow cruel dog's home dir is chock full |
| 00:08.45 | Gnurdux | most of the stuff in there isn't even hosted anymore |
| 00:09.04 | spldart | http://spldart.opencombat.net:92/newtowers.png |
| 00:09.18 | Gnurdux | whoa, thats cool |
| 00:09.27 | Gnurdux | probably would get like 8 FPS on my box |
| 00:09.30 | menotume | any1 know who is hosting bzwar ? |
| 00:09.40 | JeffM2501 | the pyramids poking thru look a little hokey |
| 00:09.45 | JeffM2501 | but the overall shape is nice |
| 00:10.01 | JeffM2501 | tho I'm not one to talk, I've only ever made one map |
| 00:10.07 | CBG | menotume: I vaguely remember a post on bzbb, by the guy running it. |
| 00:10.09 | spldart | I'll apply it to my public server in a few minutes |
| 00:10.15 | menotume | CMG: thx |
| 00:10.18 | spldart | I'm testing that and other stuff on private server at this time |
| 00:10.36 | CBG | wow menotume, you eve missed out the N key... :P |
| 00:10.40 | spldart | It's only my second Jeff hehe |
| 00:10.46 | CBG | and so did I. :| |
| 00:10.50 | menotume | ah, is1Consul |
| 00:10.52 | Gnurdux | 1st Consul menotume |
| 00:10.54 | Gnurdux | ah lol |
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| 00:11.04 | JeffM2501 | spldart, at least your doing modeling |
| 00:11.12 | JeffM2501 | mine was all base objects |
| 00:11.29 | JeffM2501 | tho that may have been before meshes were done too |
| 00:11.30 | spldart | My first used thos nasty meshboxes ;-p |
| 00:11.48 | spldart | cuz I wanted to plaster images on them and appy phy drv's |
| 00:11.52 | JeffM2501 | IIRC trepan did meshes late in the 2.0 cycle |
| 00:15.41 | spldart | omg TEST servers can be so much fun.. |
| 00:15.51 | spldart | ok.. question for you jeff |
| 00:16.02 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 00:16.05 | spldart | That narrowing connection issue that limited bots |
| 00:16.14 | JeffM2501 | for 2.1? |
| 00:16.14 | spldart | what version did that apply? |
| 00:16.19 | spldart | that's the answer |
| 00:16.22 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 00:16.24 | spldart | so 2.0.9 doesn' |
| 00:16.26 | spldart | t h |
| 00:16.33 | spldart | have that limitation? |
| 00:16.40 | JeffM2501 | 2.0.x uses one connection for each bot |
| 00:16.40 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501: you should fix the parentheses bzdb bug in 2.1 |
| 00:16.42 | spldart | sorry... hit return on accident |
| 00:16.53 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, well if I knew what that was........ |
| 00:16.55 | Gnurdux | /set _tankSpeed ( crashes all clients and servers |
| 00:17.09 | JeffM2501 | umm wasn't that changed |
| 00:17.12 | Gnurdux | any unclosed parenthesis crashes stuff |
| 00:17.24 | JeffM2501 | all the speed stuff goes thru a verify thingy |
| 00:17.31 | Gnurdux | ah, good |
| 00:17.32 | JeffM2501 | or did that not get moved into head? |
| 00:17.37 | Gnurdux | it probably did |
| 00:17.40 | spldart | I figure while I'm testing and experimenting I'd play around a little with a_meteorites idea of ridiculous bots and bzfs subsequent load... don't worry private server |
| 00:17.44 | JeffM2501 | you can duplicate the crash in head? |
| 00:17.50 | JeffM2501 | or are you just guessing again? |
| 00:17.53 | Gnurdux | haven't tried |
| 00:18.01 | JeffM2501 | I mean that was done months and months ago |
| 00:18.22 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, still a server could do it to unsuspecting clients, correct? |
| 00:18.28 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 00:18.38 | blast007 | if they don't upgrade to CVS |
| 00:18.39 | JeffM2501 | a moded server could send 0 yes |
| 00:18.43 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501: a modded server could still crash clients using it, right? |
| 00:18.51 | JeffM2501 | sure in many many ways |
| 00:18.57 | Gnurdux | if it sent unclosed parentheses |
| 00:19.03 | JeffM2501 | no it dosn't send a string |
| 00:19.05 | JeffM2501 | it sends 0 |
| 00:19.14 | JeffM2501 | then divides by it |
| 00:19.20 | JeffM2501 | aka .. boom |
| 00:19.31 | Gnurdux | ah |
| 00:19.35 | JeffM2501 | aof ("sometext") == 0 |
| 00:19.40 | JeffM2501 | atof even |
| 00:19.48 | Gnurdux | thats not the cause of the problem JeffM2501 |
| 00:19.50 | JeffM2501 | so the server now verifies the input |
| 00:19.53 | blast007 | the server they had was actually sending raw data in the packet |
| 00:19.55 | Gnurdux | /set _tankSpeed hi doesn't crash it |
| 00:19.56 | JeffM2501 | and makes sure it's a valid number |
| 00:20.03 | Gnurdux | /set _tankSpeed ) does |
| 00:20.19 | JeffM2501 | by your own admision you haven't tested it, so how can you say what it does or does not do? |
| 00:20.33 | JeffM2501 | how about you actualy check your facts before you start asking if stuff is fixed ok? |
| 00:20.53 | JeffM2501 | we added code that would prevent the parsing of non text values for many of the bzdb vars that need text |
| 00:20.58 | JeffM2501 | sorry that need numerics |
| 00:21.05 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501: is it client side or just server side? |
| 00:21.13 | JeffM2501 | tank speed was one of them |
| 00:21.16 | JeffM2501 | server IIRC |
| 00:21.33 | Gnurdux | also, what if you wanted to do /set _tankSpeed _shotSpeed/4 or something? |
| 00:21.46 | JeffM2501 | don't think that parses |
| 00:21.49 | JeffM2501 | does it? |
| 00:21.52 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501: so servers can still crash clients at will |
| 00:21.56 | Gnurdux | it parses in 2.0 |
| 00:21.57 | blast007 | some vars show other variables |
| 00:22.02 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 00:22.03 | Gnurdux | and does the actual division |
| 00:22.09 | JeffM2501 | then that would be in the math parser |
| 00:22.20 | JeffM2501 | but again Gnurdux you don't know by your own adminssion |
| 00:22.21 | Gnurdux | its a math parser problem |
| 00:22.22 | JeffM2501 | how about you help |
| 00:22.26 | Gnurdux | thats whats causing the error |
| 00:22.27 | JeffM2501 | instead of just ask |
| 00:22.32 | JeffM2501 | then find it |
| 00:23.01 | JeffM2501 | cus tankspeed is set via tankSpeed = getGoodPosValue(tankSpeed,StateDatabase::BZDB_TANKSPEED); |
| 00:23.09 | Gnurdux | ah, ok |
| 00:23.14 | blast007 | I was gonna debug the crash to see where it actually died, but it doesn't even pick up in the debugger as a crash |
| 00:23.24 | JeffM2501 | and that will test to be sure the value is valid before it sets it |
| 00:23.26 | blast007 | linux segfaults |
| 00:23.30 | Gnurdux | so does windows |
| 00:23.39 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, ahh so your on windows now? |
| 00:23.40 | Gnurdux | we tested on a met, remember? |
| 00:23.41 | blast007 | with VC7.1 builds, it just seems to exit |
| 00:23.49 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, no, a meteorite and I did some tests |
| 00:23.58 | blast007 | JeffM2501: I was testing it on windows as well :) |
| 00:24.02 | JeffM2501 | really... he runs windows on his mac? |
| 00:24.03 | Gnurdux | it crashes his client |
| 00:24.04 | blast007 | with 2.0.8 |
| 00:24.12 | Gnurdux | wait, hmm |
| 00:24.16 | JeffM2501 | blast007, it's probably an overun then |
| 00:24.19 | Gnurdux | theme97 crashed too JeffM2501 |
| 00:24.24 | blast007 | exits with code 3 |
| 00:24.24 | Gnurdux | hes on windows |
| 00:24.31 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, it's not that I don't belive you, just get your facts straight |
| 00:24.36 | Gnurdux | ok... |
| 00:24.38 | JeffM2501 | has this bug even been reported on SF |
| 00:24.41 | Gnurdux | its probably fixed in head |
| 00:24.52 | JeffM2501 | it's a LOT harder to help you when your basicly seem to be full of crap |
| 00:24.58 | blast007 | Gnurdux: don't assume :P |
| 00:25.03 | JeffM2501 | and you haven't even tested current code |
| 00:25.04 | Gnurdux | but a meteorite and I did a test that can crash clients at will |
| 00:25.10 | Gnurdux | /segfault user |
| 00:25.11 | JeffM2501 | with current head? |
| 00:25.15 | Gnurdux | no, with 2.0 |
| 00:25.20 | JeffM2501 | 2.0 is done |
| 00:25.25 | JeffM2501 | test with head |
| 00:25.32 | Gnurdux | ok... |
| 00:25.57 | JeffM2501 | head is the only system we can enforce upgrades on |
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| 00:29.02 | Gnurdux | i think i deleted my code, a meteorite still has it |
| 00:29.04 | spldart | oooooo worst client crash EVAR |
| 00:29.18 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, your not looking so good right now |
| 00:29.26 | JeffM2501 | remember that part about thinking before you speak |
| 00:29.32 | Gnurdux | i can rewrite |
| 00:29.43 | JeffM2501 | rewrite what? |
| 00:29.45 | blast007 | Gnurdux: I have it too |
| 00:29.47 | Gnurdux | im looking at HEAD code to see if the crash will likely still occur |
| 00:29.48 | JeffM2501 | your talking about a crash |
| 00:29.51 | Gnurdux | SegfaultCommand.cxx |
| 00:29.52 | spldart | what does message 'ServerLink:: read () loop' mean |
| 00:29.53 | Gnurdux | blast007, you have it? |
| 00:30.01 | blast007 | JeffM2501: they modifed bzfs to send a hard coded packet that caused the crash |
| 00:30.06 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 00:30.07 | JeffM2501 | why? |
| 00:30.10 | Gnurdux | as a test |
| 00:30.13 | blast007 | ..to a specific client..with a command |
| 00:30.31 | JeffM2501 | wow way to overcomplicate it and not use a debuger ;) |
| 00:30.41 | Gnurdux | well it was also to show off |
| 00:30.45 | JeffM2501 | set up a test server with one client, send the /set, crash |
| 00:30.53 | blast007 | wasn't intended as a means to debug the issue |
| 00:30.58 | blast007 | at least at first |
| 00:31.03 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, well so far all you've shown is how you can make yourself look kinda dumb |
| 00:31.06 | Gnurdux | more of a way to show off |
| 00:31.25 | Gnurdux | im just worried that it might be a potential security issue |
| 00:31.41 | spldart | I'll wait :-) |
| 00:31.59 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, just from looking at the code it will probably crash HEAD as well |
| 00:32.07 | Gnurdux | blast007, can you dcc me the code? |
| 00:32.23 | blast007 | 'fraid not |
| 00:32.33 | Gnurdux | lol why not? |
| 00:32.41 | blast007 | cuz I have no idea how in irssi |
| 00:32.45 | Gnurdux | ah |
| 00:32.48 | Gnurdux | ok |
| 00:32.57 | blast007 | there's no clicky buttons that say "DCC" |
| 00:33.03 | Gnurdux | heh |
| 00:33.08 | DTRemenak | no clicky buttons at all for that matter |
| 00:33.13 | Gnurdux | irssi does wierd things with DCC recieves |
| 00:33.15 | blast007 | yeah ;) |
| 00:33.26 | Gnurdux | they tend to vanish after they get accepted |
| 00:33.45 | blast007 | that's more likely due to firewall configuration |
| 00:33.55 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, what code are you looking at? |
| 00:33.59 | JeffM2501 | give me a line |
| 00:34.01 | JeffM2501 | and a file |
| 00:34.04 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, bzfx.cxx |
| 00:34.07 | blast007 | lol |
| 00:34.09 | Gnurdux | and playing.cxx |
| 00:34.13 | JeffM2501 | line? |
| 00:34.21 | JeffM2501 | looking at head code right now |
| 00:34.22 | Gnurdux | handleMsgSetVars |
| 00:34.28 | Gnurdux | it doesn't do any verification |
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| 00:34.42 | Gnurdux | and the protocol for the msgsetvar is the same |
| 00:35.18 | JeffM2501 | well the server should do the verification |
| 00:35.33 | Gnurdux | but mods can still crash clients |
| 00:35.41 | blast007 | if we can't trust the server, we're all doomed |
| 00:35.42 | JeffM2501 | sure it should also bail clean |
| 00:35.45 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 00:35.48 | Gnurdux | thats not ideal |
| 00:35.56 | JeffM2501 | the server can always send super bad packates |
| 00:35.58 | blast007 | Gnurdux: the server should not be modified |
| 00:36.03 | JeffM2501 | sure the client should be made to error clean |
| 00:36.17 | JeffM2501 | I don't like that we send strings to the client for parsing |
| 00:36.28 | blast007 | yeah |
| 00:36.40 | Gnurdux | you could make pack and unpack stuff for the messages |
| 00:36.42 | JeffM2501 | the server should do the links and parsing, and just send numberics |
| 00:36.57 | JeffM2501 | and just do generic database updates |
| 00:36.59 | blast007 | prevents us from having to send lik 6 var updates when they reference other vars, but that's all it gives us |
| 00:37.01 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, divide by zeros doen't even crash |
| 00:37.11 | JeffM2501 | yes they do |
| 00:37.15 | Gnurdux | not always |
| 00:37.24 | Gnurdux | if you set stuff to 1/0 sometimes it just gets value inf |
| 00:37.27 | blast007 | I used to set _tankSpeed to 0 ;) |
| 00:37.35 | blast007 | spinny tanks! |
| 00:37.48 | JeffM2501 | well you can't do that anymore ;) |
| 00:37.54 | blast007 | yeah |
| 00:39.01 | JeffM2501 | bet the parser is doing something like strchr and not testing for null |
| 00:39.04 | JeffM2501 | should be easy to find |
| 00:39.20 | trepan | infix parser is borked |
| 00:39.39 | blast007 | :) |
| 00:39.40 | JeffM2501 | wana fix it trepan ? |
| 00:40.06 | trepan | na |
| 00:40.09 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 00:42.05 | trepan | JeffM2501: you could swap in an expr parser lib... get func()'s, etc |
| 00:42.24 | JeffM2501 | I don't even know what that means :) |
| 00:43.13 | trepan | that's ok :) |
| 00:43.27 | blast007 | expression parser |
| 00:43.30 | spldart | May crash offline again... sorry but testing issue with my client |
| 00:43.53 | blast007 | then we could have stuff like average(_tankSpeed, _shotSpeed) |
| 00:44.06 | JeffM2501 | if I did that then I'd want it done on the server |
| 00:44.15 | JeffM2501 | and just send the final values to the clients |
| 00:44.29 | blast007 | still nice to send the client the string, since they display that now in /set and /diff |
| 00:44.51 | JeffM2501 | sure send them a display string too :) |
| 00:44.55 | JeffM2501 | that's easy |
| 00:45.13 | blast007 | but yeah, that would be nicer |
| 00:45.19 | trepan | dynamic vars are flexible, preparsed are also fast |
| 00:45.26 | JeffM2501 | we reaky should evaluate our uses of bzdb, I know we use it for a lot more then it was intended |
| 00:45.38 | trepan | no b/w |
| 00:45.53 | blast007 | then we can fix any bugs or add more expressions on the server, and not have to force people to upgrade their clients or change proto |
| 00:46.00 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 00:46.07 | JeffM2501 | dumb clients are the best :) |
| 00:46.22 | blast007 | silly clients, vars are for servers |
| 00:46.55 | L4m3r | I've always thought it would be nice to just load everything into BZDB |
| 00:46.57 | blast007 | but yeah, it's not like bzfs uses any CPU right now for most player counts |
| 00:47.18 | JeffM2501 | bzdb is nice for a lot of data |
| 00:47.27 | JeffM2501 | but it's not an object broker |
| 00:47.31 | JeffM2501 | and in some uses it could be |
| 00:47.44 | JeffM2501 | it woudl be nice to give it more of a tree for doing all things |
| 00:47.57 | JeffM2501 | then you could have /tank/speed |
| 00:48.07 | L4m3r | oooh neat |
| 00:48.13 | JeffM2501 | the fact that it's also used for the config is a little wiered |
| 00:48.15 | blast007 | or /blast/cantDie |
| 00:48.28 | JeffM2501 | since it's easy to screw up and save something local |
| 00:48.36 | JeffM2501 | tho having the same interface is nice |
| 00:48.41 | blast007 | yeah |
| 00:48.55 | JeffM2501 | like I say, I think we should evaluate all the uses, and desired uses. |
| 00:49.16 | blast007 | could even do /server/tank/speed |
| 00:49.20 | JeffM2501 | I mean we had to make the cache cus people used it to much :) |
| 00:49.32 | JeffM2501 | well for tank speed, I don't think we should even send it as a single var to the client |
| 00:49.38 | JeffM2501 | should have a speed param on each tank |
| 00:49.44 | blast007 | ah, yeah |
| 00:49.56 | JeffM2501 | many things like that should be busted out into just dumb descriptors |
| 00:49.59 | spldart | Ok... was curious about a_meterites experiment... so... bzfs 2.0.9 on debian, cpu k6 2 500, half gig installed ram.... client 2.0.8 on win xp... 100mbit lan.... addressed server by local ip, 50 bots runs smooth and consumes 45% cpu to 50% in top on server. 75 bots saturates my connection or my client and play is jumpy... cpu usage by bzfs 75% |
| 00:50.00 | JeffM2501 | like size |
| 00:50.29 | spldart | I find that interesting :) |
| 00:50.36 | JeffM2501 | ot |
| 00:50.38 | L4m3r | that would be nice for the object-based handling |
| 00:50.38 | JeffM2501 | it |
| 00:50.40 | JeffM2501 | bahh |
| 00:50.51 | JeffM2501 | it's probalby filling up your network stack and it's lagging |
| 00:50.54 | L4m3r | tanks[0].speed |
| 00:50.56 | blast007 | spldart: I bet I could win on the CPU usage...I have a 133MHz with bzfs :) |
| 00:51.03 | spldart | 100 bots causes ServerLink:: read () loop' |
| 00:51.14 | L4m3r | or tanks/0/speed or whatever |
| 00:51.18 | JeffM2501 | L4m3r, no not even, make each moving object have a prediction descriptor |
| 00:51.27 | JeffM2501 | don't even keep it in a database |
| 00:51.36 | JeffM2501 | it's the same as the tanks current position |
| 00:51.49 | JeffM2501 | a state |
| 00:52.01 | L4m3r | but that doesn't mean you couldn't interface it that way |
| 00:52.11 | JeffM2501 | fixed arrays are lame |
| 00:52.21 | JeffM2501 | player->player->getTankSpeed(); |
| 00:52.22 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 00:52.32 | L4m3r | they wouldn't have to be fixed... you could just /set them that way |
| 00:52.33 | JeffM2501 | blast007, exactly |
| 00:52.45 | JeffM2501 | L4m3r, that's the thing, I'd not set them per user |
| 00:52.55 | L4m3r | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:52.58 | JeffM2501 | /set would set the base speed for all tanks |
| 00:53.04 | L4m3r | or /set /tanks/*/speed 35 |
| 00:53.05 | JeffM2501 | L4m3r, that woudl be a huge abbuse thing |
| 00:53.11 | L4m3r | lol |
| 00:53.14 | JeffM2501 | /set mytank/speed/1000 |
| 00:53.30 | JeffM2501 | you'd still have a base speed |
| 00:53.33 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 00:53.44 | JeffM2501 | then the server would apply a modifyer to each tank based on game logic ( flags ) |
| 00:53.48 | JeffM2501 | and just send them out |
| 00:54.04 | L4m3r | and then we could hijack it with the API :) |
| 00:54.30 | JeffM2501 | yes, you would have to run an api moded server |
| 00:54.51 | JeffM2501 | you coudl do the same now with a moded server, by sending just some clients a difrent /set value then others |
| 00:54.57 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 00:55.01 | JeffM2501 | again, if you can't trust the server, don't play there |
| 00:55.17 | Gnurdux | heh |
| 00:55.23 | L4m3r | problem with doing that is that there'd be no way to stop cheaters |
| 00:55.41 | Gnurdux | well what my thing does is makes a /segfault, which sends a single user a set message with _tankSpeed to :) |
| 00:55.44 | JeffM2501 | cheat servers |
| 00:55.45 | blast007 | no, you could check per-player if the server knew about it all |
| 00:55.54 | L4m3r | and speed cheats have been cropping up lately. Especially some that seem to always have agility |
| 00:55.56 | JeffM2501 | cheat clients would move faster then they should, and the server would know that |
| 00:56.11 | JeffM2501 | the server still knows how fast each player is suposed to move |
| 00:56.13 | L4m3r | blast007: yes, but I'm talking about hacking it in a 2.0.x server :P |
| 00:56.20 | JeffM2501 | so iit dosnt' change the problem |
| 00:56.21 | spldart | Ah.. so ServerLink:: read () loop' is some sort of overflow of ServerLink? |
| 00:56.32 | blast007 | L4m3r: it could be done in 2.0.x too, since it's just a server mod |
| 00:56.42 | blast007 | well, actually, that would cause issues anyway |
| 00:57.08 | L4m3r | things would look jittery between pos updates, I would think |
| 00:57.17 | blast007 | that's what I was thinking, but maybe not |
| 00:57.28 | L4m3r | depends on frequency, right? |
| 00:57.29 | blast007 | since each client would be reporting that speed |
| 00:57.34 | blast007 | it would be fine |
| 00:57.34 | JeffM2501 | where is our current expression parser? |
| 00:58.29 | DTRemenak | statedatabase.cxx most likely |
| 00:58.33 | JeffM2501 | ahh it's in eval |
| 00:58.41 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 00:59.18 | JeffM2501 | well then anyone who can dupe it can just put a breakpoint in eval and see when it pukes |
| 01:00.23 | Gnurdux | blast007, email me SegfaultCommand.cxx |
| 01:00.31 | JeffM2501 | unless it's dying in value >> inf; |
| 01:00.44 | blast007 | Gnurdux: I don't have the whole file, just the lines of the packet |
| 01:00.55 | Gnurdux | oh |
| 01:01.09 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, its related to parentheses |
| 01:01.15 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, I KNOW |
| 01:01.16 | Gnurdux | unclosed ones |
| 01:01.24 | blast007 | Gnurdux: sssshhhhhh, let him work |
| 01:01.33 | JeffM2501 | I'm looking at the code that turns the strings into numbers, aka the code that reads the parens |
| 01:01.49 | JeffM2501 | I'm way deeper then you got |
| 01:02.09 | JeffM2501 | std::vector have a >> operator? |
| 01:02.21 | JeffM2501 | streams is where I am weak in C++ |
| 01:02.49 | L4m3r | Try defining one and see if it whines at you :P |
| 01:03.04 | JeffM2501 | or just go home and run this in a debuger |
| 01:03.09 | JeffM2501 | but I have like 20 more min.. |
| 01:03.18 | L4m3r | :\ |
| 01:03.43 | JeffM2501 | the >> is the first place that looks "odd" to me |
| 01:03.47 | brlcad | JeffM2501: I don't believe so |
| 01:03.53 | JeffM2501 | after that it's infixToPrefix |
| 01:04.07 | brlcad | but bz might have defined one somewhere for vectors |
| 01:04.08 | JeffM2501 | and that seems to do a decent job of checking to see if it's not gone over the end of the string |
| 01:04.38 | JeffM2501 | inf is defined as a vector of ExpressionTokens |
| 01:04.44 | JeffM2501 | and value is a string |
| 01:04.53 | JeffM2501 | so I'm wondering what value >> inf will do? |
| 01:05.03 | L4m3r | and Jeff, I think you'll be glad to hear that I'm going to kick nvidia raid to the curb and just use (well-supported) software raid for linux :P |
| 01:05.11 | JeffM2501 | fun |
| 01:05.25 | JeffM2501 | I just ordered a mobo with hardware raid 5 |
| 01:05.41 | JeffM2501 | and "shudder" onboard video |
| 01:05.45 | blast007 | hehe |
| 01:05.59 | JeffM2501 | I feel bad puting a mATX board in my case |
| 01:06.35 | blast007 | the one that can take 9 120's? |
| 01:06.40 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:06.42 | blast007 | :) |
| 01:06.48 | JeffM2501 | full tower |
| 01:07.03 | JeffM2501 | and it'll have a micro ATX |
| 01:07.29 | JeffM2501 | have to say byebye to the SLI board |
| 01:09.20 | L4m3r | :( why? |
| 01:09.37 | JeffM2501 | don't have 2 cards anymore |
| 01:09.47 | L4m3r | and be careful... a lot of newer boards say "hardware" raid but they're only partly hardware and require drivers |
| 01:09.51 | JeffM2501 | don't plan on geting another 7800GTX soon |
| 01:09.59 | L4m3r | hence my problem, and fakeraid |
| 01:10.00 | blast007 | a friend of mine was trying to shove an X2 system into his NES |
| 01:10.04 | blast007 | not sure how far he got |
| 01:10.10 | JeffM2501 | and this mobo has some problems, it's not as fast as it should be |
| 01:10.17 | L4m3r | which one is it? |
| 01:10.21 | JeffM2501 | L4m3r, yeah I've done the research on this one |
| 01:10.34 | JeffM2501 | it's an abit something |
| 01:10.43 | JeffM2501 | with the new mforce 430 and 6150 |
| 01:10.55 | Kr4t05 | nforce* |
| 01:10.57 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:10.57 | Kr4t05 | Sorry. |
| 01:11.05 | L4m3r | and what happened to your second video card? You had two 7800GTX's, right? |
| 01:11.08 | JeffM2501 | they are next to each other on the kebyard |
| 01:11.14 | JeffM2501 | no I never had 2 7800 |
| 01:11.19 | JeffM2501 | I had 2 6600's |
| 01:11.21 | L4m3r | oh |
| 01:11.23 | L4m3r | lol |
| 01:11.24 | JeffM2501 | 2 6600GTXs |
| 01:11.29 | JeffM2501 | 1 6800GS |
| 01:11.34 | JeffM2501 | and one 7800GTX |
| 01:11.37 | L4m3r | GTX or GT? |
| 01:11.44 | L4m3r | (the 6600s) |
| 01:11.52 | JeffM2501 | the first ones were the flat GT |
| 01:11.57 | JeffM2501 | then I got 2 GTXs |
| 01:12.04 | L4m3r | ah |
| 01:12.05 | JeffM2501 | then I ditched the SLI for a single 6800GS |
| 01:12.07 | L4m3r | any better? |
| 01:12.14 | JeffM2501 | the GTXs were slightly faster |
| 01:12.19 | JeffM2501 | and had the bridge clip |
| 01:12.22 | JeffM2501 | that made a big dif |
| 01:12.34 | JeffM2501 | the GTs use PCIe bandwith for the bridge, and that just sucks |
| 01:12.36 | L4m3r | yeah, my mobo came with one of those |
| 01:12.51 | L4m3r | really? my 6600GT has the connector for the bridge |
| 01:12.57 | JeffM2501 | some do, some don't |
| 01:12.59 | JeffM2501 | mine didn't |
| 01:13.03 | JeffM2501 | it's up to the mfg |
| 01:13.14 | JeffM2501 | basicly if they expect you to OC em |
| 01:13.17 | JeffM2501 | mine were fanless |
| 01:13.26 | JeffM2501 | don't even know where they are now |
| 01:13.28 | L4m3r | heh |
| 01:13.51 | L4m3r | I'm wondering what I'll get for my video card(s), if I get there |
| 01:14.06 | L4m3r | I've got an sli board |
| 01:14.13 | JeffM2501 | if I were to get another card now it'd be a 7900 |
| 01:14.32 | L4m3r | well, there's no way in hell I'm going to be able to afford something like THAT :P |
| 01:14.33 | JeffM2501 | for you, 2 6800GS's would be a big improvement |
| 01:14.46 | JeffM2501 | I may shoot for a 7950X2 |
| 01:14.55 | L4m3r | quad-SLi? |
| 01:14.58 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 01:15.00 | JeffM2501 | for the new mobo |
| 01:15.03 | JeffM2501 | it only has one slot |
| 01:15.04 | L4m3r | oh |
| 01:15.06 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 01:15.11 | JeffM2501 | my sli mobo is funky |
| 01:17.36 | JeffM2501 | hmm seems to crash both the client AND the server |
| 01:18.02 | L4m3r | is the 7800GTX better than the 7900GT? |
| 01:18.13 | JeffM2501 | depends on what your doing |
| 01:18.22 | JeffM2501 | in some things the 7900 is faster |
| 01:18.42 | JeffM2501 | IIRC the GTX is clocked slightly faster then the flat 7900GT |
| 01:19.23 | L4m3r | it's a helluvalot cheaper though |
| 01:19.57 | blast007 | 7950X2 is a dual GPU? |
| 01:20.19 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:20.32 | blast007 | does that require an SLI mobo like that gigabyte one did? |
| 01:20.38 | JeffM2501 | I can't even find a 7800GTX now |
| 01:20.42 | JeffM2501 | don'tknow |
| 01:20.50 | JeffM2501 | don't think the current ones do |
| 01:20.56 | Kr4t05 | What's the fastest AGP card on the market? |
| 01:21.03 | JeffM2501 | hard to say |
| 01:21.14 | blast007 | Kr4t05: the one that maxes out the AGP bus ;) |
| 01:21.14 | JeffM2501 | I don't know what ATI is offering |
| 01:21.29 | JeffM2501 | if they have AGP versions of the 1x00 series |
| 01:21.31 | JeffM2501 | that may be |
| 01:21.34 | Kr4t05 | I have a 6200 ATM, but I want to max out my system for college. |
| 01:21.43 | Kr4t05 | Without a major re-build. |
| 01:21.46 | L4m3r | Newegg only has two 7800GTX's |
| 01:21.48 | JeffM2501 | there are 7300's |
| 01:22.00 | JeffM2501 | as well as AGP 6800s |
| 01:22.07 | JeffM2501 | you can also look at the ATI X800 |
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| 01:22.24 | JeffM2501 | L4m3r, yeah they arn't made anymore |
| 01:22.29 | JeffM2501 | hence why I'm not geting another soon ;) |
| 01:22.44 | blast007 | keep that one, it's now a collector's item |
| 01:23.02 | JeffM2501 | ahh ok it's in the evaluate function |
| 01:23.03 | JeffM2501 | got it to die in a debuger |
| 01:23.49 | L4m3r | well, I'd assume that one 7900GT would be better than a pair of 6800GSs |
| 01:24.05 | L4m3r | and if in need, I could buy a second 7900GT, also |
| 01:24.46 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 01:24.48 | JeffM2501 | yes they would |
| 01:24.54 | JeffM2501 | by a noticiable margin |
| 01:27.04 | Kr4t05 | The "best" AGP on Newegg is the GeForce 6600 256MB... |
| 01:27.28 | spldart | mmmMMMmmm fresh shrimp, dipped in zesty heinz and burgundy |
| 01:27.36 | JeffM2501 | AGPs are geting harder to find |
| 01:27.45 | JeffM2501 | a 66 isn't much better then a 62 |
| 01:27.57 | Kr4t05 | That's why I'm building a brand new system after college. |
| 01:28.15 | L4m3r | start saving now |
| 01:28.17 | Kr4t05 | I'm going to squeeze three more years of life out of this one. |
| 01:28.31 | L4m3r | putting any more money in an AGP-based box is a waste, imo |
| 01:28.41 | Kr4t05 | Yeah... |
| 01:28.49 | L4m3r | yeesh, 3 more years? |
| 01:29.10 | Kr4t05 | L4m3r: last year of HS then two years of college. |
| 01:29.10 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/common/StateDatabase.cxx: don't try to return the top of the stack if the stack is empty |
| 01:29.13 | L4m3r | I'm having my doubts about this box, and it's only a year old... and I too have 3 more years |
| 01:29.29 | JeffM2501 | computers are cheap |
| 01:29.47 | JeffM2501 | your AGP system is already a year behind |
| 01:30.26 | L4m3r | You could probably get by on a new CPU, mobo, and video, replacing everything else as you can afford it |
| 01:30.28 | JeffM2501 | that should fix the crash for that problem |
| 01:30.38 | JeffM2501 | trepan is right the parser does need to be made better |
| 01:30.43 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/common/StateDatabase.cxx: don't try to return the top of the stack if the stack is empty |
| 01:30.43 | JeffM2501 | but at least that will not die. |
| 01:31.33 | JeffM2501 | and oh look.. time to go home :) |
| 01:31.47 | L4m3r | a nice feeling, I know. |
| 01:32.22 | spldart | safe cruise home jeffm |
| 01:32.29 | JeffM2501 | ohh yeah it's OH so far ;) |
| 01:32.36 | L4m3r | ...except when the time comes and the manager says, "Before you leave, please make sure the store is in order" and the place is completely in shambles from lunch rush |
| 01:32.43 | spldart | heh |
| 01:32.49 | JeffM2501 | "manager" what is this concept of "manager"? |
| 01:32.53 | L4m3r | stayed over an hour past quitting time today |
| 01:33.04 | JeffM2501 | OT is never bad |
| 01:33.06 | JeffM2501 | it's more cash |
| 01:33.15 | JeffM2501 | be happy you get OT |
| 01:33.29 | L4m3r | I don't. my shifts are too short. |
| 01:33.41 | JeffM2501 | well then it's still more hours |
| 01:33.54 | L4m3r | I've gotten overtime ONCE, for two hours, when someone was MIA and I had to close unexpectedly, resulting in a ten-hour day. |
| 01:34.03 | JeffM2501 | my pay does not change based on the time I do |
| 01:34.15 | L4m3r | salary? fun, my dad is in the same barrel |
| 01:34.36 | L4m3r | he's a parts manager... inventory every month forces him to work ridiculous hours on that saturday |
| 01:34.50 | JeffM2501 | fun |
| 01:34.59 | L4m3r | this month, though, he gets to do a different dealer |
| 01:35.01 | JeffM2501 | it's so nice that we don't sell anything real :) |
| 01:35.13 | blast007 | :) |
| 01:35.20 | L4m3r | and he's hiring me to help ^_^ $100 for a day is good money to me |
| 01:35.57 | JeffM2501 | fun |
| 01:36.06 | L4m3r | I still don't understand why he moved to another dealer |
| 01:36.21 | JeffM2501 | better fung shue |
| 01:36.27 | L4m3r | smaller office, crappier parts department, longer commute, for only a little more money |
| 01:37.04 | JeffM2501 | it's all about the fung |
| 01:37.24 | L4m3r | lol |
| 01:38.33 | blast007 | that's what happens when the fung gets shued |
| 01:45.59 | Kr4t05 | Holy crap |
| 01:46.45 | Kr4t05 | I was looking at parts last spring for summer of '07, now, the price of my assembled wish list has dropped by about $200 |
| 01:46.59 | Kr4t05 | Dang. |
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| 02:45.07 | spldart | K... I'm not sure if I missed it or if it was just to busy or what but I was curious if someone can explain what the error "ServerLink:: read () loop" means... Got it in my client during some ridiiculous experiments. |
| 02:45.49 | spldart | I then had a complete lock so bad that OS locked and even a reboot came back to a BSoD |
| 02:46.49 | spldart | I know there had been an issue with this in client 1.7 somewhere |
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| 02:48.11 | spldart | BTW.. I'm loggin now jeff ;-) |
| 02:51.47 | cosmos | spldart: that error means upgrade to UNIX |
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| 02:56.02 | spldart | lmao |
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| 02:57.51 | spldart | OMG... To those who were discussing it yesterday... Apparently betty boop doesn't think much of VIM http://spldart.opencombat.net:92/boopcartoon.png |
| 02:58.17 | cosmos | heh |
| 02:58.22 | cosmos | damn that beaverhausen |
| 02:58.34 | spldart | heh |
| 02:59.53 | cosmos | i had to ban an entire class B |
| 02:59.58 | cosmos | 84.9.x.x |
| 03:02.43 | spldart | ? |
| 03:03.18 | cosmos | anastasia beaverhausen and other nicks. |
| 03:03.29 | cosmos | been spamming, cursing admins, threatening to hack etc |
| 03:03.40 | cosmos | after banning 4 class C's i had to move up to a class B |
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| 03:04.31 | spldart | wow |
| 03:04.41 | spldart | that's alot of ban |
| 03:04.49 | cosmos | thats alot of jackass |
| 03:05.00 | orange | pimpi & orchid: JeffM2501 added a patch to the latest 2.0.x cvs to support a 'disconnected' group when the bzfs process cannot contact the list server |
| 03:05.15 | orange | I'm using it to allow spawning if global server is down |
| 03:05.23 | orange | (and superkill, and timelimit, and other such things) |
| 03:05.37 | orange | it's running on proxs right now, and preliminary tests look good |
| 03:05.48 | orange | though we need a *real* downtime of the list server to truly test it ;-) |
| 03:06.03 | spldart | lol |
| 03:06.54 | spldart | should my little pipsqueek servers have that ip in the banlist 2? |
| 03:07.22 | cosmos | i doubt it |
| 03:07.31 | cosmos | unless beaverhausen is bothering you |
| 03:07.56 | cosmos | the other nicks he uses are slot me a raghead, shot me a raghead, etc |
| 03:08.11 | cosmos | he would put things in the email string like "server admins are all #$%#@%" |
| 03:08.13 | spldart | not at this time |
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| 03:23.07 | A-Delusion | theme97 just posted source for a C++ version of progressive mode, seemed to be not-buggy at all when i was on it. http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=8639 |
| 03:26.46 | spldart | He's upset wit me |
| 03:49.50 | cosmos | ? |
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| 03:52.17 | spldart | earlier he was in here and me and him just happened to comment about a .png file at about the same time... we both said something along the line of "wow... slow server or giant png file" anywho. jeff commented back at him... "well the server is free to you" with a ";)" at the end and he quoted me commenting that jeffm didn't point out the fact that I said basically the same thing.. not sure what was up with that fer sure |
| 03:52.58 | spldart | I'm not sure why he 'seemed' offended though |
| 03:53.03 | spldart | But he |
| 03:53.04 | cosmos | lots more in this world to get upset over |
| 03:53.08 | spldart | 'seeemed' it |
| 03:53.12 | spldart | yeah |
| 03:53.16 | cosmos | tell him wait until he loses all his hair and has a beer gut |
| 03:53.24 | spldart | lmao |
| 03:53.24 | cosmos | that png wont seem so important |
| 03:53.32 | spldart | lmmfao |
| 03:54.27 | cosmos | its amazing what kids get upset about. and then thinking back your like wtf did i waste time on that for |
| 03:55.38 | cosmos | i just started taking aikido, some kid on another channel wanted to fight me because hapkido was "better" |
| 03:55.46 | spldart | heh... |
| 03:55.49 | spldart | sheesh |
| 03:56.24 | cosmos | when i explained to him that in an actual confrontation i am likely to just shoot him in the face and that i take aikido for excersize and health benefits |
| 03:57.46 | spldart | I spend more time at the range and practicing bzflag than martial arts.. which I've been into a bit since the early 80's |
| 03:57.49 | spldart | hehe |
| 04:04.09 | Bz_Win | not all kids are morons ;) |
| 04:04.43 | tokimi | just most |
| 04:04.45 | cosmos | sure they are |
| 04:04.53 | cosmos | they just dont realize it until they turn 30 |
| 04:04.58 | spldart | LOL |
| 04:05.02 | spldart | I was born 30 |
| 04:05.04 | spldart | LOL |
| 04:05.10 | cosmos | ok 50 then for you |
| 04:05.18 | spldart | :-D |
| 04:05.25 | Bz_Win | we all think what we did when we where 10 years ounger wad umb |
| 04:05.35 | spldart | I don't |
| 04:05.37 | Bz_Win | ugh...need sleep, can't type |
| 04:05.49 | cosmos | yeah i was trying to translate that last line |
| 04:06.04 | Bz_Win | younger was dumb* |
| 04:06.06 | spldart | somewhere in that sleep deprived state is punchy fun |
| 04:06.12 | blast007 | stuff like "man, why did I put that live lobster down my pants?" |
| 04:06.13 | cosmos | i think what i did 20 years ago was rather dumb |
| 04:06.23 | spldart | PINCHY! |
| 04:06.26 | blast007 | hehe |
| 04:06.30 | Bz_Win | Hm... |
| 04:06.46 | Bz_Win | *imagines what that would feel like* |
| 04:06.58 | cosmos | yeah, a six pack, bottle of yaegermeister, 2 hookers and waking up on bourbon street |
| 04:07.10 | cosmos | at age 20 priceless |
| 04:07.29 | cosmos | nowdays, "not such a good idea" |
| 04:07.50 | cosmos | or better yet, "honey i was at the bowling alley" |
| 04:07.51 | spldart | 20... driving home after a VERY long night at work, opening of new store, after drinking 8 beers... fast... back in 86 or 87 or so :( |
| 04:07.59 | spldart | 3 am |
| 04:08.30 | cosmos | bbl, bike ride |
| 04:08.55 | spldart | woah... so healthy for me.. I'll stick to the weights |
| 04:09.04 | spldart | s/so/to |
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| 04:17.26 | spldart | brb |
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| 04:31.43 | pyr0 | silence, still |
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| 04:33.46 | spldart | just dont break wind.... for the love of god |
| 04:33.53 | QBeep | ..And all the people bowed and prayed to the neon god they made, as the sign flashed out it's warning, in the words that it was forming. And the sign said, "The words of the prophets are written on the subway walls and tenement halls, amid the sounds of silence." |
| 04:34.22 | pyr0 | i wont, half asleep trying to code |
| 04:34.32 | pyr0 | i took my 5 hour nap earlier, so im feeling semi-good |
| 04:34.41 | spldart_away | hehe |
| 04:35.15 | pyr0 | havent touched GD in php for ages, so trying to remember all of it to screw with the original poll code to make it use whatever color i see fit |
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| 04:35.22 | pyr0 | oh well |
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| 10:34.39 | adeadman | any forum amins here? |
| 10:34.51 | adeadman | admins |
| 10:35.19 | Mr_Molez | wow hawsonky has been busy |
| 10:35.42 | adeadman | yeh, looks like hes a pain in the neck |
| 10:36.19 | Mr_Molez | SportChick: ping |
| 10:37.56 | adeadman | menotume: ping |
| 10:38.27 | Mr_Molez | dont think he is admin |
| 10:39.24 | Mr_Molez | orchid: ping :P |
| 10:39.36 | adeadman | ah, frontpage forum seemed to think he was, unless i misread - very possible |
| 10:39.54 | Mr_Molez | hmm nah u might be right, duno |
| 10:40.26 | adeadman | me? never, least not according to other half |
| 10:40.46 | Mr_Molez | hehehe |
| 10:41.10 | adeadman | nuff time waste gotta go - l8r |
| 10:41.23 | Mr_Molez | cu |
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| 10:59.35 | Birdie | some one delete all those stupid threads on bzbb.. |
| 10:59.53 | Birdie | those -> http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=8674 |
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| 11:19.05 | romfis | HI all |
| 11:19.14 | romfis | go please bzbb |
| 11:19.27 | romfis | a User Spamming |
| 11:19.50 | romfis | 37 spamming post |
| 11:19.57 | romfis | from a user |
| 11:20.36 | romfis | he spanning on all forums |
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| 11:54.40 | CBG | I'll repeat: please can a bzbb admin delete these posts: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/search.php?search_author=hawsonky |
| 11:54.59 | romfis | yes 37 postings |
| 11:57.07 | blast007 | :/ |
| 11:58.20 | CBG | rm hawsonky |
| 11:58.29 | Birdie | brlcad will wake up soon |
| 12:02.07 | the_enemy | ENOEUROPEANADMINS ? |
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| 12:04.21 | Birdie | what do you want |
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| 12:13.24 | gsnedders | Birdie: life, the universe and everything. |
| 12:13.51 | Birdie | i wasnt talking to you:) |
| 12:14.08 | blast007 | hehe |
| 12:14.39 | romfis | yay for Meno :D |
| 13:04.19 | SportChick | mol: pong |
| 13:04.29 | SportChick | Mr_Molez: pong |
| 13:04.56 | romfis | HI SC!!! you long not seen! |
| 13:05.08 | SportChick | romfis: I am? :) |
| 13:05.10 | SportChick | hehe |
| 13:05.12 | romfis | :D |
| 13:05.18 | SportChick | romfis: hiya :) |
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| 13:09.09 | SportChick | I've deleted the ones I have access to, but Jeffm2501, dtremenak or brlcad should do the rest. Otherwise, you have to get the moderator from each forum. |
| 13:10.05 | romfis | ow |
| 13:10.30 | romfis | 35 :) |
| 13:11.12 | TheRedBaron | he left his e-mail :) shall we return the spam? |
| 13:11.46 | romfis | :P |
| 13:11.57 | romfis | or a fake email addy ? |
| 13:13.03 | romfis | or is email real, and better is send that police :P |
| 13:13.54 | romfis | i seen programms thst is a Copyrithe |
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| 13:14.31 | romfis | *copyright |
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| 13:18.15 | SportChick | roMEANeofisch: do you want to match before i have to go to work? |
| 13:18.40 | romfis | is a master spammer seen google :D |
| 13:18.43 | romfis | http://www.google.at/search?hl=de&q=hawsonky&btnG=Suche&meta= |
| 13:19.41 | romfis | you a match ? |
| 13:20.36 | SportChick | romfis: sure! :) |
| 13:20.49 | romfis | FF is brad54 |
| 13:20.57 | romfis | 2 |
| 13:21.30 | SportChick | ok |
| 13:21.33 | SportChick | I'll cu there? |
| 13:21.48 | romfis | k |
| 13:22.04 | A-Delusion | spam here, They are best softwares and best price.????? http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=8650 |
| 13:22.12 | A-Delusion | gives a list of software |
| 13:22.36 | spldart | DoS them! ;-) |
| 13:22.44 | Bz_Win | They REALLY should turn on visual confirm.... |
| 13:24.29 | A-Delusion | looks like he's offering warez. |
| 13:25.44 | SportChick | A-Delusion: spam EVERYWHERE |
| 13:27.59 | A-Delusion | ah, I seee..... it is everywhere. |
| 13:28.03 | romfis | yay for Win XP posting, lol! |
| 13:28.13 | romfis | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=8642 |
| 13:31.46 | Bz_Win | :P |
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| 13:32.52 | SportChick | hehe |
| 13:33.02 | SportChick | oh BZ_win = winxp |
| 13:33.06 | romfis | yes :D |
| 13:33.13 | A-Delusion | Good Morning. |
| 13:34.08 | SportChick | hiya A-Delusion |
| 13:45.49 | brlcad | ugh |
| 13:46.03 | brlcad | there's got to be a better way to delete all these |
| 13:50.52 | brlcad | whoops *gah* |
| 13:52.24 | SportChick | ~brlcad++ |
| 13:52.52 | brlcad | phpbb seriously needs an upgrade to help avoid crap like this |
| 13:53.14 | brlcad | and i just accidentally blew away prefabs, have to restore |
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| 14:31.29 | big_daddy2 | still looking for a host |
| 14:32.01 | Mr_Molez | host ? |
| 14:32.13 | big_daddy2 | a server |
| 14:32.17 | big_daddy2 | i got the map |
| 14:32.21 | Mr_Molez | buy one :P |
| 14:32.25 | big_daddy2 | cant |
| 14:32.32 | big_daddy2 | dont got enough $ |
| 14:32.36 | spldart | and some serious bandwidth if it's a good map |
| 14:32.44 | big_daddy2 | it is |
| 14:32.44 | Mr_Molez | how much u got :P |
| 14:32.47 | big_daddy2 | very good |
| 14:32.52 | big_daddy2 | im not telling u |
| 14:33.00 | big_daddy2 | how much they cost :P |
| 14:33.10 | Mr_Molez | depends what u buy |
| 14:33.20 | big_daddy2 | i jsut need a host for my map |
| 14:33.27 | big_daddy2 | i dont get conf |
| 14:33.51 | big_daddy2 | do i have to enter m/identify |
| 14:34.10 | SportChick | asking the same thing here incessantly is not the way to find someone to host your map. I suggest posting (once) on the appropriate forum |
| 14:34.40 | Manu | hi SportChick :) |
| 14:34.52 | SportChick | hi manu! |
| 14:35.45 | spldart | What is your aversion to bzbb anywho? |
| 14:36.19 | Bz_Win | Maybe he's already banned there...? |
| 14:36.34 | spldart | hadn't thought of that :-/ |
| 14:37.08 | Bz_Win | :-D |
| 14:40.58 | spldart | ooop |
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| 15:06.51 | romfis | ehat port is that here, my another client for IRC can not join here :( |
| 15:07.00 | romfis | *what |
| 15:09.10 | tokimi | romfis: can you give some more details? |
| 15:09.48 | romfis | http://www.bzflag.eu/cgi-bin/cgiirc/irc.cgi |
| 15:10.24 | tokimi | hmmm |
| 15:10.33 | romfis | firewall ist off |
| 15:10.49 | tokimi | have you tried: http://irc.zeebrothers.net/ |
| 15:11.08 | romfis | for this ports, i testing 5151, 6667, and 7000 not join that |
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| 15:11.47 | romfis | here get with 7000 |
| 15:11.50 | romfis | por |
| 15:11.53 | romfis | t |
| 15:12.00 | zee901 | est |
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| 15:12.29 | tokimi | yeah... |
| 15:12.56 | romfis | i can not found my mistake |
| 15:13.08 | tokimi | hmm |
| 15:13.39 | tokimi | could be that irc:cgi client is broken |
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| 15:14.45 | romfis | is 0.5.9 version, or what ? |
| 15:16.23 | tokimi | romfis: do you _need_ to use http://www.bzflag.eu/cgi-bin/cgiirc/irc.cgi |
| 15:16.25 | tokimi | ? |
| 15:16.34 | tokimi | i have no idea why its not working |
| 15:17.05 | romfis | hm.. |
| 15:18.46 | romfis | i woking on bzflag.eu and i wanted that install :P |
| 15:18.57 | tokimi | aaaah |
| 15:19.01 | tokimi | now i understnad romfis |
| 15:19.05 | romfis | or wants |
| 15:19.07 | tokimi | and, i have no clue :S |
| 15:19.47 | romfis | hm. k |
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| 15:34.53 | Bz_Win | When tyring to access bzbb I get "forbidden" |
| 15:35.32 | romfis | oh, i see |
| 15:35.42 | romfis | O_o |
| 15:36.31 | menotume | wait one minute please, bzbb maint in progress |
| 15:36.59 | Bz_Win | ok, just wondering if something werid was going on |
| 15:37.19 | menotume | ok, done |
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| 15:42.40 | TheRedBaron | CGI:IRC isn't borken |
| 15:42.45 | TheRedBaron | I'm on it :) |
| 15:43.50 | romfis | ?? |
| 15:43.59 | tokimi | TheRedBaron: you using zeebrothers... we already tested that |
| 15:45.15 | TheRedBaron | I believe so |
| 15:45.28 | TheRedBaron | IIRC Strayer's site uses the zeebrothers |
| 15:45.57 | tokimi | romfis i woking on bzflag.eu and i wanted that install :P |
| 15:46.05 | tokimi | TheRedBaron: not the issue |
| 15:46.10 | ToughShooter | TheRedBaron: CGI:IRC is broken by design |
| 15:46.26 | ToughShooter | HTTP is not IRC |
| 15:47.38 | TheRedBaron | toughshooter: :) |
| 15:47.45 | ToughShooter | brlcad: ping |
| 15:47.58 | TheRedBaron | its a bit laggy at times |
| 15:48.10 | TheRedBaron | but its a clean, and basic interface |
| 15:48.14 | TheRedBaron | I actually like it |
| 15:48.40 | ToughShooter | Do you have one of those x86 boxes? I wonder if Falling in LocalPlayer.cxx is also set wrong on x86 |
| 15:49.13 | TheRedBaron | tokimi: nope, the two sites don't use the same CGI interface anymore |
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| 16:26.12 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, so fun on the fourms this AM? |
| 16:27.17 | Birdie | only 37 posts who are the same he had to remove:) |
| 16:29.05 | DTRemenak|RDP | an little sql query makes that go a lot faster than doing it by hand... |
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| 16:30.31 | trac_ | hey guys, i dont like to point on others failures, but PLEASE dont write lines like that: if (clOptions->gameType & eRabbitChase) do it like that if (clOptions->gameType == eRabbitChase) |
| 16:31.02 | trac_ | just a remark... for the future ;) |
| 16:31.14 | DTRemenak | gameType did not use to be exclusive |
| 16:31.25 | DTRemenak | used to have things like eJumping in there to |
| 16:31.26 | DTRemenak | too |
| 16:31.33 | trac_ | used to? |
| 16:31.47 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501 split them maybe a week ago |
| 16:31.52 | trac_ | i see.... |
| 16:32.00 | trac_ | thats why the pause triggers the rabbit mode NOW |
| 16:32.08 | trac_ | ok, so i take it all back ;) |
| 16:32.08 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 16:32.19 | trac_ | but needs a patch anyway... |
| 16:32.22 | trac_ | i will make one |
| 16:32.38 | DTRemenak | and I'm not sure what names he used |
| 16:32.44 | DTRemenak | rabbit mode might be in gameStyle or something now |
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| 16:32.54 | JeffM2501 | huh what? |
| 16:33.00 | DTRemenak | but there was one and now there are two |
| 16:33.04 | JeffM2501 | ohh yeah the split |
| 16:33.14 | JeffM2501 | yeah seems to just make more sense |
| 16:33.47 | t2m | Ssorry about the OT chat yesterday! And thanks for your patience |
| 16:38.13 | JeffM2501 | I didn't screw up the split did I? |
| 16:38.29 | trac_ | so is it right, that it should be == now? or is it simply not finished yet? |
| 16:38.39 | DTRemenak | probably missed a spot |
| 16:38.54 | JeffM2501 | I changed the names of the variables |
| 16:38.58 | JeffM2501 | so I can't have missed a spot |
| 16:39.03 | JeffM2501 | the game mode shoudl be == |
| 16:39.07 | JeffM2501 | the options sould be & |
| 16:39.35 | DTRemenak | I dunno what you named them though, so I can't help. Didn't do my typical read-the-man's-patch thing on that commit :) |
| 16:39.49 | JeffM2501 | slacker |
| 16:39.51 | JeffM2501 | ;) |
| 16:39.55 | DTRemenak | I know... :) |
| 16:39.56 | JeffM2501 | let me go find out |
| 16:40.20 | ToughShooter | Hmm, what does it mean when I put std::cout two times at certain places and then the bug goes away? |
| 16:40.34 | ToughShooter | As _only_ change |
| 16:40.37 | JeffM2501 | it means you don't understand the bug ;) |
| 16:40.42 | trac_ | rofl |
| 16:40.57 | trac_ | maybe a pointer is mixed up? ;) |
| 16:41.07 | ToughShooter | I do understand the bug but it shouldn't fix it |
| 16:41.08 | JeffM2501 | probalby something upstream with ram geting jacked |
| 16:41.17 | ToughShooter | Logic in PlayerState.cxx is messed up |
| 16:41.28 | JeffM2501 | well then you don't understand all of the ramifications of the bug, lets say that |
| 16:41.37 | ToughShooter | When a player pauses it skips the loop where OnBuilding is computed |
| 16:41.39 | JeffM2501 | something else is happening that you are unaware of |
| 16:41.52 | JeffM2501 | step thru in the debuger and see why |
| 16:41.57 | ToughShooter | So when a player is on the building it seems like he always gets the state Falling |
| 16:42.21 | JeffM2501 | do we let you pause on a building now? |
| 16:42.31 | ToughShooter | Yes |
| 16:43.05 | ToughShooter | When I add a check for Falling on server side it always kicks me when I pause on a building |
| 16:43.25 | JeffM2501 | because your moving when your not suposed to |
| 16:43.43 | ToughShooter | Umm, you do not understand me |
| 16:44.02 | ToughShooter | The tank goes to Falling state in the moment a player pauses on a building |
| 16:44.15 | JeffM2501 | bahh I did leave the & in 2 places |
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| 16:44.32 | ToughShooter | When I unpause Falling gets false and I hear the touching ground sound |
| 16:45.05 | ToughShooter | Why is OnBuilding computed in the loop? |
| 16:45.08 | JeffM2501 | I'm not following you, but I'd step thru your client code to make sure that when you pause on the building form the server that you say on that building |
| 16:45.19 | JeffM2501 | because you may have moved at any time |
| 16:45.27 | trac_ | JeffM2501: just to make that clear... game mode == game type? |
| 16:45.30 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 16:45.33 | JeffM2501 | they are exclusive |
| 16:45.38 | ToughShooter | When one changes from !isPaused() to isPaused the loop is not longer computed |
| 16:45.40 | trac_ | thx |
| 16:45.49 | ToughShooter | but the check of OnBuilding is inside the loop |
| 16:46.20 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, you'll have to step thru the old code to see what used to happen |
| 16:46.32 | JeffM2501 | noone knows that code that well off the top of there heads |
| 16:46.40 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: In the old code there was never a check for it |
| 16:46.55 | JeffM2501 | so then how did the old code pause on a building? |
| 16:47.09 | ToughShooter | May it has the same bug, I need to check |
| 16:47.35 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 16:48.40 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: missed a couple places in the conversion from gameType bitmasks to enum |
| 16:49.17 | ToughShooter | What is wiered is that it checks for InAir from LocalPlayer.cxx but InAir is true until someone pauses |
| 16:49.27 | ToughShooter | Err, is false until paused |
| 16:49.46 | JeffM2501 | step on thru to the other side... |
| 16:50.00 | ToughShooter | It is like a switch somewhere in the code I do not find |
| 16:50.16 | JeffM2501 | that is why you step |
| 16:50.26 | JeffM2501 | the debuger takes you to all the paces the code goes |
| 16:50.37 | JeffM2501 | do not fear the debuger, it is your friend |
| 16:51.28 | ToughShooter | heh, I though std::cout is my friend ;) |
| 16:51.48 | JeffM2501 | std::out is a cruch used by people who refuse to use modern tools |
| 16:52.33 | ToughShooter | I miss an entry point |
| 16:53.21 | ToughShooter | I would like to use the Xcode GUI for the debugger but the way the BZFlag package was made does not allow this |
| 16:53.28 | JeffM2501 | ah it used to be called "gameStyle" |
| 16:53.39 | JeffM2501 | and I split it to gameType and gameOptions |
| 16:53.49 | trac_ | there we go :) |
| 16:53.52 | JeffM2501 | then fix it so it can :) |
| 16:54.07 | JeffM2501 | from what I understand it should let you do it |
| 16:54.43 | JeffM2501 | trac_, yeah it was a rather invasive change, so I just missed 2 placed :( |
| 16:54.53 | JeffM2501 | yay for peer review |
| 16:55.27 | trac_ | do not only thx me, it was TS who found a bug :) |
| 16:55.46 | JeffM2501 | peer means all :) |
| 16:56.03 | trac_ | ups ;)))))))))) |
| 16:56.25 | trac_ | <-- german only please ._. |
| 16:56.33 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 16:56.55 | trac_ | just self criticism ;) |
| 16:59.45 | JeffM2501 | so what is openDarwin and why is it shuting down? |
| 17:00.59 | trac_ | openDarwin = kernel of mac os in OpenSource?! |
| 17:01.03 | trac_ | or what do u mean? |
| 17:02.10 | JeffM2501 | ahh that's what it was yeah |
| 17:03.50 | JeffM2501 | guess apple dosn't like open source anymore |
| 17:04.18 | trac_ | just for consistens: Should this line also be rewritten? "if (clOptions->gameType & eClassicCTF) {" in bzfs.cxx I mean it works, but could mix up people. |
| 17:04.33 | JeffM2501 | yeah anythign with gameType should be == |
| 17:04.49 | JeffM2501 | let me do a search |
| 17:05.27 | JeffM2501 | yeah that's the last one |
| 17:05.29 | JeffM2501 | that I can see |
| 17:05.34 | trac_ | me too |
| 17:06.07 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: missed one more place in the conversion from gameType bitmasks to enum |
| 17:06.26 | JeffM2501 | well missing 3 out of 160... not too bad :) |
| 17:06.56 | trac_ | ;) |
| 17:19.12 | ToughShooter | Hmm, after stepping and stepping and stepping it looks like I am lost in the very low level functions :( |
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| 17:22.00 | JeffM2501 | brlcad said xcode shoudl be able to debug bz with out problem |
| 17:22.11 | JeffM2501 | since it's just an interface on GDB |
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| 17:32.26 | brlcad | ToughShooter: it is very much a real debugger interface.. you just don't know how to use it ;) |
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| 17:33.10 | brlcad | xcode does work, I've used it for debugging server issues pretty easily |
| 17:33.30 | brlcad | (and client, but only since windowed mode has worked) |
| 17:33.47 | JeffM2501 | can't huck the debuger onto another display? |
| 17:34.02 | brlcad | not the best for debugging opengl stuff though, there are better tools in apple's Performance tools suite for that |
| 17:34.58 | brlcad | you can, i've debugged it remotely as well -- especially a couple years ago with the TexFont+Lighting crap was crashing Macs (which now seems to be back, btw) |
| 17:35.16 | JeffM2501 | fun |
| 17:35.27 | JeffM2501 | I say replace the font system |
| 17:35.36 | JeffM2501 | I've made a new one again, maybe dtr can hook it up :) |
| 17:35.59 | brlcad | the problem is that if you crap on the opengl stack, it's sometime not recoverable -- it "can" kill the window server and lock things up |
| 17:36.07 | brlcad | i'm not even convinced it's fonts |
| 17:36.13 | brlcad | but it is related to lighting again |
| 17:36.24 | JeffM2501 | well new font system does it's own state management |
| 17:36.32 | JeffM2501 | and uses truetype fonts |
| 17:36.34 | brlcad | i think we just have a lot of bad lighting code |
| 17:36.51 | ToughShooter | I never managed to debug it with Xcode |
| 17:37.13 | ToughShooter | I remember the script stripps the bin but that wasn't the problem |
| 17:37.51 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: sounds good so far...is it decently fast? |
| 17:37.58 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 17:38.34 | JeffM2501 | in my apps it's just as fast as the one that bz's current one was based on |
| 17:38.46 | JeffM2501 | I had it cache out the fonts to textures, so internaly it's very similar |
| 17:38.52 | DTRemenak | cool |
| 17:38.53 | JeffM2501 | does have more dependent libs |
| 17:39.00 | DTRemenak | which ones? |
| 17:39.09 | JeffM2501 | freetype |
| 17:39.18 | JeffM2501 | and maybe libpng |
| 17:39.20 | JeffM2501 | don't remember |
| 17:39.29 | JeffM2501 | freetype2 |
| 17:39.31 | JeffM2501 | that was it |
| 17:39.42 | DTRemenak | I can live with a freetype dependancy |
| 17:40.17 | JeffM2501 | the font lib itself is a package in some linux distros, but I just included the code, cus I made some mods to it. |
| 17:40.17 | DTRemenak | it'll make it easier to do intl char sets too |
| 17:40.17 | JeffM2501 | yeah it supports all that |
| 17:40.29 | JeffM2501 | just grab it from GPX01 |
| 17:41.09 | DTRemenak | got other things on my plate right now |
| 17:50.31 | brlcad | reminds me.. JeffM2501 .. i made a bzbbooboo |
| 17:50.52 | JeffM2501 | who's account did you delete? |
| 17:51.14 | brlcad | misinterpreted the damn prune facility .. basically blew away one of the forums.. |
| 17:51.23 | JeffM2501 | what one? |
| 17:51.49 | brlcad | the one that only has polls left in it now.. |
| 17:51.59 | brlcad | Prefabs and Map Objects |
| 17:52.00 | JeffM2501 | ohh yeah that helps :) |
| 17:52.02 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 17:52.09 | JeffM2501 | mehh.. that wasn't a much used one |
| 17:52.20 | brlcad | four pages of stuff |
| 17:52.24 | JeffM2501 | mehh |
| 17:52.46 | JeffM2501 | it does suck but there are worse ones that coulda been blown |
| 17:52.58 | brlcad | menotume put a lot of time in trying to get an april backup to recover just that one, but hasn't had much success |
| 17:53.21 | JeffM2501 | yeah I don't think it's easy to merge in backups |
| 17:54.03 | JeffM2501 | what did you want to prune in it? |
| 17:55.35 | brlcad | there was a spammer that'd snuck in and basically posted at least two messages in every forum |
| 17:55.43 | JeffM2501 | fun |
| 17:55.58 | JeffM2501 | yeah with those guys it's basicly delete by hand :) |
| 17:55.58 | brlcad | I was looking for a quick "prune all topics that have 0 replies" |
| 17:56.13 | brlcad | within the last "0" days |
| 17:56.22 | JeffM2501 | there isn't one built into the current froums |
| 17:56.27 | JeffM2501 | there are mods that give more tools like that tho |
| 17:57.06 | brlcad | of course the prune feature does the opposite of what I wanted and deleted everything that had not been posted to today |
| 17:57.18 | JeffM2501 | yeah it's for killing old posts |
| 17:57.28 | JeffM2501 | I have it running on the chat and images |
| 17:57.33 | JeffM2501 | tho for some reason it won't pull polls |
| 17:57.40 | brlcad | i was bedazzled that there wasn't a "delete all posts by this user" option |
| 17:57.49 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 17:57.52 | brlcad | i wondered if deleting his account would do the trick, but I suspected no |
| 17:58.00 | JeffM2501 | no that is actualy BAD |
| 17:58.05 | JeffM2501 | cus then it makes finding his posts a pain |
| 17:58.07 | brlcad | i thought it might be |
| 17:58.11 | JeffM2501 | cus they all go to "guest" |
| 17:58.11 | brlcad | for that same reason |
| 17:58.15 | JeffM2501 | you go tho his profile |
| 17:58.21 | JeffM2501 | you hit "find all posts by user" |
| 17:58.26 | brlcad | yeah, I was doing that to remove them |
| 17:58.31 | JeffM2501 | then you just go to the end, delete, and tab back |
| 17:58.34 | brlcad | but there were over 40 at the start |
| 17:58.42 | JeffM2501 | yeah it ain't easy |
| 17:58.49 | JeffM2501 | welcome to my job ;) |
| 17:59.13 | brlcad | gotta update phpbb.. that's got to be a feature *someone's* needed in the past 3 years :) |
| 17:59.27 | JeffM2501 | like I say, it's a mod |
| 17:59.34 | JeffM2501 | they don't add very many things to the core feature set |
| 17:59.36 | brlcad | if anything .. i think it'll get us the image validation thing |
| 17:59.42 | JeffM2501 | yes an update will |
| 17:59.46 | JeffM2501 | somone just has to do it |
| 17:59.51 | brlcad | yep |
| 18:02.33 | JeffM2501 | I'd be open to another bb system asuming we can get a full data transition and get the list to use it |
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| 18:23.19 | brlcad | i think we really just have to "fix"/rewrite the list server before we can do anything with bzbb |
| 18:24.46 | brlcad | getting the user/group data out wouldn't be too hard, it's mostly reverting back to something more maintainable (src/bzfls anyone?) |
| 18:25.53 | brlcad | what would be nice would be to retain the curlable http interface we have going now, maybe make bzfls run as a small embedded httpd daemon |
| 18:29.09 | JeffM2501 | somone just has to write it. |
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| 18:49.10 | blast007 | brlcad: we could also go with something a bit lighter than Apache for the list system |
| 18:49.18 | blast007 | apache can be a hog |
| 18:59.16 | brlcad | blast007: my thoughts were to ditch apache entirely.. that's quite a hack to serve up the list that way |
| 18:59.40 | brlcad | some minimal http interface wouldn't be hard at all, there are a dozen libs that provide that sort of functionality |
| 19:00.36 | brlcad | having the list server be a set of php pages solved one problem but created several others (that I think are proving to be worse) |
| 19:01.34 | brlcad | made for relatively simple development (more folks seem to know php than do C++) and no need to architect daemon services, or (at first) logging facilities |
| 19:03.31 | brlcad | but shortly found that it then made it a royal pita to integrate with the compiled codes, the logs were insufficient and we had to log separately anyways, and the performance is abysmal compared to something light .. scaling becomes a major "infrastructure" plan working on splitting apachees and mysqlds when a simple daemon sharing protocol could probably do the trick pretty effectively |
| 19:07.24 | uso | bedazzle |
| 19:07.55 | uso | oops, ww |
| 19:09.00 | blast007 | yeah, I'm much better with PHP than C++ ;) |
| 19:09.49 | blast007 | but for distributed stuff, C++ will provide more flexibility |
| 19:13.44 | blast007 | or even just use that alone |
| 19:13.57 | blast007 | it can load balance the PHP execution to other machines |
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| 20:06.13 | big_daddy2 | has any seen aha? |
| 20:06.34 | Bz_Win | check http://my.bzflag.org |
| 20:06.40 | big_daddy2 | did |
| 20:06.47 | Bz_Win | ...and? |
| 20:06.55 | big_daddy2 | he not on\ |
| 20:07.03 | Bz_Win | there, you just anwsered your own qurestion |
| 20:07.07 | Bz_Win | question* |
| 20:08.08 | big_daddy2 | yes? |
| 20:08.18 | big_daddy2 | what |
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| 20:11.35 | JeffM2501 | IRC! |
| 20:11.43 | big_daddy2 | duh |
| 20:11.57 | blast007 | heh |
| 20:11.59 | JeffM2501 | blast007, what does php offer? |
| 20:12.12 | JeffM2501 | that a custom coded app dosn't? |
| 20:12.20 | JeffM2501 | since they both have to be coded |
| 20:12.34 | blast007 | JeffM2501: PHP is more familar to a lot of people |
| 20:12.47 | JeffM2501 | how many people work on our list server? |
| 20:12.55 | blast007 | heh, people work on that? |
| 20:12.57 | blast007 | ;) |
| 20:13.01 | JeffM2501 | so far the people that work on it are more familiar with C++ then php |
| 20:13.07 | blast007 | yeah |
| 20:13.25 | JeffM2501 | it's not exactly a product that used by others |
| 20:13.27 | blast007 | for 2.1/2.2 we can go to a whole new system if necessary |
| 20:13.32 | JeffM2501 | yes we can |
| 20:13.34 | JeffM2501 | and I think we should |
| 20:13.49 | JeffM2501 | how hard is it to get data from mysql in C++? |
| 20:17.10 | JeffM2501 | or switch it all to my IRC idea :) |
| 20:17.25 | JeffM2501 | to make it slower AND more complex on one fell swoop |
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| 20:18.58 | blast007 | there is a C library for MySQL |
| 20:19.15 | blast007 | I even had a bzfs plugin that connected to MySQL |
| 20:19.20 | JeffM2501 | is there advantage to keeping the users in mysql? |
| 20:19.25 | JeffM2501 | I think there is |
| 20:19.34 | blast007 | the ability to distribute the data |
| 20:19.46 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:19.58 | JeffM2501 | and have it read by php for other non critical features |
| 20:20.04 | blast007 | yeah |
| 20:20.05 | JeffM2501 | like the fourms |
| 20:20.23 | JeffM2501 | I do think having the global account also be the fourm account is a good thing |
| 20:20.25 | blast007 | I'd also be nice to integrate the main website/wiki/etc into global login |
| 20:20.29 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 20:20.41 | JeffM2501 | a user should have one login for all our stuff |
| 20:20.59 | blast007 | I always forget my login stuff for the wiki :/ |
| 20:22.08 | blast007 | we could even do a different database if we find it has better features |
| 20:22.48 | blast007 | sqlite might be an option, but I'm not sure how it would handle out amount of data and queries |
| 20:22.54 | blast007 | our* |
| 20:23.31 | JeffM2501 | how hard would it be to get phpbb to use sqllite for username and password lookups? |
| 20:23.33 | JeffM2501 | and groups |
| 20:24.38 | blast007 | heh, that's the other issue :) |
| 20:24.50 | blast007 | not sure if they have built-in support for that |
| 20:25.19 | blast007 | "MySQL, MS-SQL, PostgreSQL or Access/ODBC database servers" |
| 20:25.42 | JeffM2501 | do you thik it would be hard to mod phpbb to have it go thru our own little interface for users? |
| 20:26.01 | JeffM2501 | just find the php places where it looks for those fields, and have it just call our own functions |
| 20:26.10 | JeffM2501 | then we can implement those wherever in whatever db |
| 20:26.20 | blast007 | phpBB isn't the easiest thing to modify |
| 20:26.24 | JeffM2501 | you know more about phpbb guts then I do |
| 20:26.32 | JeffM2501 | are other boards easyer? |
| 20:26.41 | blast007 | I just apply mods to phpBB :) |
| 20:26.49 | blast007 | and I really don't have experience with any others |
| 20:27.33 | JeffM2501 | I think those are the questions we need answers too |
| 20:31.55 | blast007 | the advantage with SQLite is that it could be embedded into an application |
| 20:32.37 | blast007 | so we could have list nodes that used TCP/IP to sync, and that each ran their own SQLite database |
| 20:32.55 | blast007 | basically a mesh system |
| 20:33.13 | blast007 | (given enough nodes) |
| 20:33.32 | JeffM2501 | that does require more design of the syncing system |
| 20:33.37 | JeffM2501 | to resolve splits |
| 20:33.42 | blast007 | right |
| 20:33.49 | JeffM2501 | and somone has to be responsible for adding new unique IDs |
| 20:33.55 | JeffM2501 | and new accounts |
| 20:34.21 | blast007 | we could use Active Directory ;) |
| 20:35.14 | blast007 | but yeah, that also bring up more questions as to how MySQL syncs up |
| 20:35.16 | JeffM2501 | riiiigggghhhhttttttt |
| 20:35.24 | blast007 | hehe |
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| 20:56.37 | blast007 | hmm, so it seems that MySQL has two methods: replication, and clustering |
| 20:59.14 | JeffM2501 | clustering seesm like what we want |
| 20:59.29 | JeffM2501 | cus one node may generate a token and another may atempt to verify it |
| 21:01.02 | blast007 | yeah |
| 21:01.19 | blast007 | with the replication, the slaves are read only from what I can tell |
| 21:01.21 | blast007 | it's one way |
| 21:01.37 | blast007 | so if the master goes down, we're out of luck for doing anything :) |
| 21:08.14 | orange | 83.105.38.240 cheat client with endshot... just fyi for you server ops |
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| 23:12.48 | uso | wouldn't it be a better idea to separate listserv and bb if you redo it, thinking about the last 2 listserv outages because of bb issues |
| 23:13.19 | romfis | oh |
| 23:13.21 | romfis | lol |
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| 23:13.52 | uso | if bb is down for a while it doesn't matter a lot, but listserv is essential |
| 23:13.54 | romfis | i sure that IRC is offline :P |
| 23:14.14 | romfis | see that is not offline is, my client :D |
| 23:14.39 | romfis | HI usochen :P |
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| 23:21.19 | CBG | fishychen :P |
| 23:21.59 | romfis | CBGchen = C=Cloaking - B=Blindness - G=Genocide - a cloaking tank is blind with geno!!! O_o! :D |
| 23:24.21 | CBG | :D |
| 23:24.21 | romfis | hihi :P |
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| 23:50.34 | blast007 | uso: that's what was basically suggested |
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| 23:54.08 | uso | blast007: oh, then i probably misred your discussion with jeff |
| 23:54.29 | blast007 | we covered both things |
| 23:54.37 | blast007 | we want to keep the database integrated |
| 23:54.38 | uso | you meant same login but different servers |
| 23:54.59 | blast007 | but we might have an actual C++ application act as the list server |
| 23:55.34 | uso | this part i got :) |
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| 23:56.07 | uso | would be nice if it still would speak http |
| 23:56.38 | uso | for getting serverlist easily with a browser or from scripts |
| 23:56.53 | blast007 | it would |
| 23:57.08 | blast007 | it would just be a lot more effecient than apache+php |
| 23:57.59 | uso | sure, apache is overkill for this simple job, php in any case :) |
| 23:58.10 | blast007 | aww ;) |
| 23:58.49 | uso | heh, has it good sides too |
