| 00:00.01 | uso | *its |
| 00:03.02 | *** join/#bzflag Gnurdux (n=gnurdux@c-69-251-233-242.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 00:05.03 | *** join/#bzflag a_meteorite (n=a_meteor@adsl-75-15-118-127.dsl.snlo01.sbcglobal.net) |
| 00:10.37 | JeffM2501 | yeah the bb sould just be one of the nodes |
| 00:10.52 | JeffM2501 | it dons't list but has add/remove/edit access to the users |
| 00:11.37 | *** join/#bzflag spldart (n=spldart@cpe-68-201-209-199.houston.res.rr.com) |
| 00:14.54 | brlcad | i'd like to see the list server manage the data sharing/replication, not relegate that to some (mysql) storage backend |
| 00:16.13 | brlcad | setting up mysql to function correctly that way just seems like a headache to configure and maintain -- the list server "nodes" could easily have a simple protocol for talking to each other and propagating data |
| 00:17.03 | brlcad | heck even jeff's irc node idea would probably work as the communication back end, akin to how ircd's intercommunicate to propagate messages |
| 00:17.32 | *** part/#bzflag Bz_Win (n=Kyle@CPE0014bf066077-CM000f9fac8236.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 00:28.14 | spldart | OMG daler has bot'd up 1265 score :rolleyes: hehe Was a plan in place to eliminate bot whoring up to top of server list? |
| 00:29.28 | spldart | Played a trick on him that was kinda funny... hope I don't get in trouble |
| 00:47.27 | JeffM2501 | well then if the list server did it's own storage, we'd still have to expose it to php for the various web interfaces |
| 00:47.35 | JeffM2501 | or write the fourms in C++ :) |
| 00:47.48 | JeffM2501 | spldart, your god seems to do a lot |
| 00:48.31 | JeffM2501 | IRC is a little wordy for a protocoll, but it would solve a lot of problems and open up a bunch of new features |
| 00:48.44 | JeffM2501 | buddy lists, cross server chat, remote admin, etc... |
| 00:49.42 | JeffM2501 | hmm for the fourms, we could have a dedicated node that would replicate the data to and from a single sql database used by the froums/web system |
| 00:54.59 | blast007 | JeffM2501: we could still use MySQL for storage, just not use the cluster feature |
| 00:55.16 | JeffM2501 | true |
| 00:55.18 | a_meteorite | but cluster would be useful... |
| 00:55.30 | JeffM2501 | we'd be doing our own propigation |
| 00:55.30 | blast007 | a_meteorite: we'd still have a cluster like system |
| 00:55.34 | a_meteorite | it would be more reliable |
| 00:55.37 | a_meteorite | ah |
| 00:55.38 | JeffM2501 | asusming our own storage woudn't be faster |
| 00:55.48 | JeffM2501 | a_meteorite, you don't know that it would be |
| 00:56.06 | JeffM2501 | if our own storage is faster, we can just replicate to mysql for the read only systems like the froums |
| 00:56.11 | a_meteorite | JeffM2501: mysql cluster has had more testing than your own system |
| 00:56.12 | JeffM2501 | and web logins |
| 00:56.15 | blast007 | with our own system, we would have total control of the replication process |
| 00:56.28 | JeffM2501 | we've never set up a cluster |
| 00:56.33 | a_meteorite | why would you need replication control? doesn't it make sense to have the latest data? |
| 00:56.33 | JeffM2501 | so we don't know it's kinks |
| 00:56.51 | JeffM2501 | not when more then one node could be adding |
| 00:57.30 | JeffM2501 | we also need to make sure that it merges splits the proper way |
| 00:57.50 | JeffM2501 | if you kow about clusters (like specificly how they do stuff ) then that would be helpfull |
| 00:58.08 | JeffM2501 | our own custom system could be talored to our data tho and be made very efficent |
| 00:58.34 | a_meteorite | I looked into mysql cluster for my own project, but that's really as far as I got |
| 00:58.37 | blast007 | again, if we had a large number of nodes, and if we did a system where each node connect to several other nodes, we could use that information to basically create a database of alternate paths in case an ISP has routing issues |
| 00:59.00 | blast007 | but I'm just thinking too far ahead |
| 00:59.01 | JeffM2501 | yeah we could build our own replication routes |
| 00:59.12 | a_meteorite | hmm... that's a big wheel to reinvent :) |
| 00:59.17 | JeffM2501 | not realy |
| 00:59.21 | a_meteorite | but, it WOULD allow more control |
| 00:59.29 | a_meteorite | too much of that can never hurt ;) |
| 00:59.56 | JeffM2501 | you'd use the concepts from others, just pick the ones you want |
| 01:00.01 | JeffM2501 | so it's not a reinvent |
| 01:00.02 | blast007 | the clients would still contact proabaly a few main list servers from around the world |
| 01:00.03 | JeffM2501 | it's a refactor |
| 01:00.12 | a_meteorite | hmmm |
| 01:00.17 | JeffM2501 | well the client would only have to get to one |
| 01:00.23 | a_meteorite | so it would be like ad-hoc where they each keep the latest data? |
| 01:00.24 | blast007 | right, but to get a list of nodes |
| 01:00.26 | JeffM2501 | the closest |
| 01:00.37 | JeffM2501 | Id' not make the client do the node to node work |
| 01:00.43 | JeffM2501 | I'd make the nodes do that |
| 01:00.44 | a_meteorite | to get a list of nodes would require contact to one node |
| 01:00.50 | a_meteorite | and each node should know about the other ones |
| 01:01.06 | JeffM2501 | ahh your saying to dyamicly add new nodes |
| 01:01.34 | JeffM2501 | sure have the node list simply be one of the bits of shared data |
| 01:01.51 | JeffM2501 | send it on each connect, and then every so often ping them, find the fastest and use that next time. |
| 01:02.07 | JeffM2501 | the game could ship with a hardcoded node of list.bzflag.org |
| 01:02.10 | JeffM2501 | and pick up the others |
| 01:02.43 | blast007 | yup |
| 01:02.55 | JeffM2501 | it's not like a torrent network that needs to pick up new nodes all the time |
| 01:02.55 | blast007 | or multiple "master" server lists |
| 01:02.58 | blast007 | in case one is down |
| 01:03.18 | JeffM2501 | coudl have it do a round robbin on the list.bzflag.org lookup |
| 01:03.21 | a_meteorite | hmmm... that sounds good |
| 01:03.26 | blast007 | yeah, or that ;) |
| 01:03.27 | JeffM2501 | add a couple known good full time serves to it |
| 01:03.45 | a_meteorite | JeffM2501: but a round robin could go out when dns goes out, right? |
| 01:03.50 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 01:03.53 | JeffM2501 | but that shoudl be a rare thing |
| 01:03.55 | a_meteorite | which would be unlikely, though |
| 01:03.57 | blast007 | a_meteorite: lots will go out when DNS fails |
| 01:03.57 | a_meteorite | yeah |
| 01:04.01 | a_meteorite | hehe |
| 01:04.02 | JeffM2501 | the system dosn't have to be 100% bulletproof |
| 01:04.04 | a_meteorite | true |
| 01:04.09 | JeffM2501 | just better then now |
| 01:04.24 | JeffM2501 | if bzflag.org dns goes down, many servers won't lookup as well |
| 01:04.33 | a_meteorite | almost anything would be better |
| 01:04.41 | JeffM2501 | and dns systems have caches and backups |
| 01:04.44 | JeffM2501 | already |
| 01:04.56 | JeffM2501 | so your talking about all the backup servers going offline |
| 01:04.57 | a_meteorite | blast007: round robin is the lowest ping, right? |
| 01:05.12 | JeffM2501 | no just next in list |
| 01:05.15 | a_meteorite | ah |
| 01:05.20 | JeffM2501 | try one, try next, try next, etcc |
| 01:05.24 | a_meteorite | hmm.. would be nice if the client knew the lowest ping |
| 01:05.32 | JeffM2501 | first one you get to gives you a list |
| 01:05.35 | blast007 | a_meteorite: it would use that just to get a node list |
| 01:05.38 | JeffM2501 | if your the first run, then you ping them |
| 01:05.44 | JeffM2501 | find the fastest and use that |
| 01:05.56 | a_meteorite | ah |
| 01:06.06 | JeffM2501 | then every week or so do it again |
| 01:06.17 | a_meteorite | so round-robin->main server->send node list to client |
| 01:06.27 | a_meteorite | and there could be 2-3 different main servers |
| 01:06.29 | spldart | <JeffM2501> spldart, your god seems to do a lot ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! |
| 01:06.33 | a_meteorite | or however many as you want |
| 01:07.19 | spldart | That, I believe, deserves an explanation. |
| 01:07.20 | a_meteorite | what about security and all that? I may be interested in running a main server (as others may too), but that may involve some security issues... |
| 01:07.34 | blast007 | spldart: in regards to your OMG |
| 01:07.36 | a_meteorite | everyone is probably afraid of me taking passwords ;) |
| 01:07.44 | spldart | ah |
| 01:07.45 | spldart | ok |
| 01:07.51 | blast007 | :) |
| 01:07.53 | spldart | I guess I can LOL at that |
| 01:07.54 | spldart | hrm |
| 01:08.06 | a_meteorite | spldart: nah, that deservers a heh or a ROFL |
| 01:08.09 | a_meteorite | :) |
| 01:08.27 | a_meteorite | laugh before I lart you ;) |
| 01:08.46 | spldart | If daler comes in here complaining about me would you hold it against me ;-D |
| 01:09.02 | spldart | ~lart spldart |
| 01:09.08 | spldart | :) |
| 01:09.23 | spldart | & LMAO |
| 01:10.28 | a_meteorite | ~logs |
| 01:10.30 | ibot | rumour has it, logs is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/, or stats http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/bzflag.html.gz |
| 01:13.11 | JeffM2501 | on phone |
| 01:13.43 | a_meteorite | heh, I was just about to ask that |
| 01:14.20 | JeffM2501 | yeah you'd have a couple of the known good main servers in the rotation |
| 01:14.26 | JeffM2501 | like bzflag.bz, nid's server |
| 01:14.40 | JeffM2501 | on a first launch they'd round robbin till they got to one of em |
| 01:14.43 | JeffM2501 | get a node list |
| 01:14.49 | JeffM2501 | then ping them to find out what one is faster |
| 01:14.56 | JeffM2501 | then use the fast one for logins |
| 01:15.18 | JeffM2501 | then when the list changes, or once a week, or when you tell it too, it would reping and pick the fastest again |
| 01:15.25 | JeffM2501 | or if it can't get to your chosen host |
| 01:15.30 | JeffM2501 | then it'd start it all over again |
| 01:15.34 | a_meteorite | would they directly communicate with one mysql server? or would they each share their databases? |
| 01:15.41 | JeffM2501 | that way new hosts can be added, and people pick them up on next launch |
| 01:15.57 | JeffM2501 | you'd want them to all have a copy of the data and replicate to each other |
| 01:16.08 | JeffM2501 | give each node a couple buddies, and set it up in a chain |
| 01:16.22 | JeffM2501 | with redundant links |
| 01:16.46 | JeffM2501 | then for like web or admin access you have a node that does it's own replication into a mysql database |
| 01:16.57 | JeffM2501 | for the froums, wiki, and other web pages |
| 01:17.03 | JeffM2501 | as well as ease of backup |
| 01:17.14 | JeffM2501 | that way if the web systems go offline, the network is still up |
| 01:17.22 | a_meteorite | that would limit people with 100Mbits for participating ;) |
| 01:17.27 | JeffM2501 | when the web nodes come back, they resync with ther ebuddys |
| 01:17.32 | JeffM2501 | what? |
| 01:18.00 | a_meteorite | well, I do the *nix admining on a server with a 100Mbit... I don't know for sure if I could particpate but I don't see a problem |
| 01:18.07 | brlcad | a_meteorite: only high-speed links should be list serving regardless, though the Mbit is mostly irrelevant -- you want low latency |
| 01:18.08 | a_meteorite | on my end at least |
| 01:18.16 | a_meteorite | brlcad: it's low latency |
| 01:18.22 | JeffM2501 | and relyability |
| 01:18.24 | brlcad | heh, not necessarily |
| 01:18.31 | JeffM2501 | we'd not want home systems |
| 01:18.38 | brlcad | not any more/less than 1Mbit or 10Mbit |
| 01:18.41 | a_meteorite | I live about 300 miles away and get 30ms lag |
| 01:18.42 | JeffM2501 | it would not be a peer/peer system |
| 01:18.47 | a_meteorite | JeffM2501: it's hosted in a datacenter |
| 01:18.51 | blast007 | JeffM2501: but I have a whole 256kbps upstream! ;) |
| 01:18.53 | brlcad | that's a throughput metric, not a latency one |
| 01:19.13 | a_meteorite | brlcad: well, lots of Mbits is pretty useless if it's going to take 200ms ;) |
| 01:19.27 | JeffM2501 | we'd not need a big group of notes |
| 01:19.36 | JeffM2501 | 8-10 would be a huge improvement over what we have now |
| 01:19.36 | spldart | I really need to investigate high bandwidth low latency connections.. are their options for private connections to a residence? |
| 01:19.37 | a_meteorite | it was just an idea |
| 01:19.56 | a_meteorite | spldart: have you tried business offerings or a T1? |
| 01:20.21 | JeffM2501 | do bzflag.bz, nid in AZ, Tim in UT that would server North America |
| 01:20.38 | a_meteorite | oh, I should add this server is in San Diego |
| 01:20.41 | spldart | No business here for the providers I checked... |
| 01:20.42 | JeffM2501 | get a couple in SA, europe, asia, austraillia and we'd have no problems |
| 01:21.02 | a_meteorite | hmmm... I wonder about bzflag.de |
| 01:21.03 | JeffM2501 | a single listing isn't realy a data intensive task |
| 01:21.09 | a_meteorite | no |
| 01:21.16 | spldart | I guess infrastructure for that kinda connection doesnt' get put in place in a such a residentially zoned area |
| 01:21.23 | JeffM2501 | spreading it out even over 2-3 systems will help masivly |
| 01:22.08 | a_meteorite | JeffM2501: so, let's say if I had a T3 for instance (which I don't, but you never know in the future...) we wouldn't be able to participate? |
| 01:22.11 | brlcad | two or three would likely be more than plenty, any more would probably just eat up bandwidth via replication chatter as well as increase potential of one of them being offline and needing to timeout |
| 01:22.37 | a_meteorite | eek, time to eat |
| 01:22.37 | a_meteorite | bbl |
| 01:22.37 | JeffM2501 | a_meteorite, a t3 isn't much |
| 01:22.55 | JeffM2501 | yeah, any more then 5 starts to get out of hand |
| 01:23.00 | JeffM2501 | it's not like it's a torrent |
| 01:23.05 | spldart | wow.... you guys are talking greater connection than I had thought |
| 01:23.28 | JeffM2501 | I'd want to put it on data center class machines |
| 01:23.32 | JeffM2501 | that are multi homed |
| 01:23.32 | *** join/#bzflag zee581 (n=52d403be@zeebrothers.net) |
| 01:23.43 | JeffM2501 | so if one connect goes out, it's got a backup |
| 01:24.05 | *** join/#bzflag Gnurdux (n=gnurdux@c-69-251-233-242.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 01:24.06 | JeffM2501 | I mean having 30ms to a list server realy dosn't help you much more then having 300ms |
| 01:24.17 | JeffM2501 | ooh you can authenticate faster... whopty do |
| 01:24.41 | JeffM2501 | I kinda like the idea of having a node replicate to SQL for web access |
| 01:25.03 | JeffM2501 | it takes SQL out of the critical path, but we could still use it for the web stuff |
| 01:25.22 | brlcad | there's pretty good metrics on how much bandwith is required -- that really shouldn't be a problem so long as there's at least 256Mbit sustainable.. that's about how much is currently being consumed with rare peaks spiking up to 512Mbit |
| 01:25.31 | JeffM2501 | and backing up/ resoring/ moding a sql database is prety easy |
| 01:25.58 | spldart | 8-0 |
| 01:26.13 | brlcad | some of that will get eaten up a little in overhead for list servers to share, but should be pretty negligible (and compressible!) |
| 01:26.32 | blast007 | yay compression |
| 01:38.32 | a_meteorite | back |
| 01:38.50 | a_meteorite | brlcad: your server is doing 256Mbits sustained? I find that hard to believe... |
| 01:39.12 | a_meteorite | and 512Mbit spikes? O_o |
| 01:40.18 | brlcad | a_meteorite: that's about what the list server is consuming right now |
| 01:40.37 | brlcad | errr..oop. units error |
| 01:40.37 | a_meteorite | ...for just authenticating and bzbb? |
| 01:40.57 | a_meteorite | Kbit? |
| 01:41.00 | brlcad | :) |
| 01:41.04 | a_meteorite | hehe :P |
| 01:43.40 | JeffM2501 | you can't measure the list server as a k/sec |
| 01:43.44 | JeffM2501 | it's not a stream |
| 01:43.55 | a_meteorite | no, I know that |
| 01:44.02 | a_meteorite | but it's a good estimate on what you need |
| 01:44.06 | JeffM2501 | so it's not realy a bandwith thing |
| 01:44.14 | a_meteorite | it's latency and location |
| 01:44.15 | JeffM2501 | it's a latency, and relyability thing |
| 01:44.21 | JeffM2501 | location isn't even that important |
| 01:44.36 | a_meteorite | location goes hand-in-hand with latency ;) |
| 01:44.41 | JeffM2501 | true |
| 01:44.51 | a_meteorite | reliability matters too |
| 01:44.56 | JeffM2501 | asuming your not on some crap network with a single point of failure |
| 01:45.01 | spldart | OH.... |
| 01:45.14 | JeffM2501 | that's the big problem with home or single connections |
| 01:45.20 | JeffM2501 | a single point of failure |
| 01:45.40 | JeffM2501 | where a datacenter type system will be on a network feed by more then one feed |
| 01:45.42 | a_meteorite | let's say in 10 years I had a business, where I had multiple ISPs |
| 01:45.47 | brlcad | given our player base, it would seem that a west coast US, east coast US, and european would be the minimal desirable locations |
| 01:45.48 | a_meteorite | let's just say that... |
| 01:46.19 | JeffM2501 | yeah, .bz, secretplace or tims, and somewhere in germany |
| 01:46.23 | a_meteorite | I'm sure some BZFlag players would like to contribute |
| 01:46.39 | JeffM2501 | a_meteorite, I'm sure if oyu had a biz, you'd just use datacenters |
| 01:46.44 | a_meteorite | not saying, ALL should, just the ones with the proper stuff |
| 01:46.49 | JeffM2501 | unless you are a datacenter |
| 01:47.10 | JeffM2501 | it's nice that people want to help, but like servers we'd not want to just have everyone do one |
| 01:47.17 | JeffM2501 | we'd have 150 list servers |
| 01:47.18 | a_meteorite | I agree there |
| 01:47.21 | JeffM2501 | when 4 would do |
| 01:47.43 | a_meteorite | but, if you got some good stuff, why let it go to waste? not everyone has a server in a datacenter |
| 01:47.46 | JeffM2501 | there is also the fact that you don't want to spread the user database around too much |
| 01:47.49 | a_meteorite | well, that's my two cents |
| 01:47.58 | brlcad | i'd just as likely set up another dedicated in Germany myself if one wasn't readily available/capable |
| 01:48.18 | brlcad | that's been on my todo list for quite some time, would like to replicate regardless |
| 01:48.19 | JeffM2501 | I'd not want 50 people to have the user db |
| 01:48.28 | JeffM2501 | so who is gonna code it up? |
| 01:48.34 | a_meteorite | umm |
| 01:48.44 | brlcad | code monkeys |
| 01:48.47 | a_meteorite | let's all point to... |
| 01:48.51 | a_meteorite | yeah, code monkeys |
| 01:48.53 | brlcad | just get dtr to do it after he's hired |
| 01:48.54 | a_meteorite | :) |
| 01:49.01 | JeffM2501 | I'm workin on that |
| 01:49.05 | JeffM2501 | HARD |
| 01:49.12 | JeffM2501 | we interviewed another guy today |
| 01:49.25 | JeffM2501 | more of a manager |
| 01:49.33 | a_meteorite | JeffM2501: you're a manager? |
| 01:49.38 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 01:49.41 | a_meteorite | "we interviewed" |
| 01:49.41 | a_meteorite | ah |
| 01:49.42 | brlcad | heh, two full-time bz coders funded by gibbs (j/k) |
| 01:49.47 | a_meteorite | lol |
| 01:49.49 | blast007 | hehe |
| 01:49.50 | JeffM2501 | still helped in the interview |
| 01:50.05 | a_meteorite | so you're just some senior dude with respect? :) |
| 01:50.05 | JeffM2501 | stranger things have happend :) |
| 01:50.14 | JeffM2501 | tho I'd not want to host anythign here |
| 01:50.23 | JeffM2501 | our conection sucks |
| 01:50.27 | a_meteorite | heh |
| 01:50.34 | a_meteorite | let's kill Jeff's job :P |
| 01:50.46 | JeffM2501 | you guys do every time I post a link |
| 01:50.53 | JeffM2501 | where do you think opencombat.net is |
| 01:50.53 | a_meteorite | lol |
| 01:51.11 | a_meteorite | Marathon.GibbsCAM.Com ;) |
| 01:51.15 | JeffM2501 | there ya go |
| 01:51.31 | a_meteorite | what happened to the splash screen with the chick? |
| 01:51.37 | JeffM2501 | it's still there |
| 01:51.52 | a_meteorite | only www.opencombat.net grr |
| 01:51.57 | a_meteorite | take the www off ;) |
| 01:52.01 | JeffM2501 | vhosts are fun :) |
| 01:52.04 | a_meteorite | heh |
| 01:52.17 | blast007 | gah, I typed 'digg' instad of 'dig' into my terminal... |
| 01:52.18 | a_meteorite | I want to kill apache and love apache at the same time for that feature |
| 01:52.29 | JeffM2501 | why would you not like it |
| 01:52.33 | JeffM2501 | it's great |
| 01:52.37 | blast007 | most webservers have that feature... |
| 01:52.38 | a_meteorite | because it gets complicated for me |
| 01:52.44 | JeffM2501 | IIS dosn't |
| 01:52.59 | JeffM2501 | so you hate it because you have bad planing skills? |
| 01:53.03 | blast007 | s/webservers/desent webservers/ |
| 01:53.06 | a_meteorite | no offense to the windows server junkies, but who uses IIS for "real" stuff? |
| 01:53.07 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 01:53.16 | JeffM2501 | a_meteorite, a number of people |
| 01:53.19 | a_meteorite | no, I hate it because it's controlled by Plesk |
| 01:53.19 | blast007 | like 8 |
| 01:53.29 | a_meteorite | meaning I can't take full control of it |
| 01:53.29 | blast007 | 1) Microsoft.com ... |
| 01:53.31 | JeffM2501 | .net is geting bigger |
| 01:53.31 | blast007 | :) |
| 01:53.45 | brlcad | and yet smaller all at the same time |
| 01:53.46 | blast007 | a_meteorite: that's just for you |
| 01:53.48 | JeffM2501 | a_meteorite, umm why not manage it with the files and configs |
| 01:54.00 | JeffM2501 | it's slick to set up in 2.0 |
| 01:54.02 | a_meteorite | because, Plesk came with it and I don't pay for the server. I just admin it |
| 01:54.07 | a_meteorite | yeah, we're using 2.0 |
| 01:54.15 | a_meteorite | we also got fc3, gah, I want to kill it |
| 01:54.18 | JeffM2501 | so basicly you hate it cus your cheap |
| 01:54.20 | JeffM2501 | wow |
| 01:54.37 | a_meteorite | no... I hate it because I can't change the way those things work... |
| 01:54.42 | JeffM2501 | sure you can |
| 01:54.47 | JeffM2501 | just edit the configs |
| 01:54.49 | blast007 | a_meteorite: it's not much better with cPanel |
| 01:54.57 | a_meteorite | and then Plesk probably goes *BORK!* |
| 01:54.58 | blast007 | JeffM2501: Plesk would probably just overwrite it |
| 01:55.03 | blast007 | or yeah, freak |
| 01:55.04 | JeffM2501 | then uninstall it :) |
| 01:55.12 | a_meteorite | heh |
| 01:55.18 | a_meteorite | I'll have to check with the owner ;) |
| 01:55.25 | JeffM2501 | so you don't actualy hate vhosts |
| 01:55.26 | a_meteorite | I would love to uninstall it though |
| 01:55.33 | JeffM2501 | you just don't like the crap interface you have to use cus your too cheap |
| 01:55.36 | a_meteorite | well, I hate the ones it set-ups for me |
| 01:55.39 | JeffM2501 | don't lie to yourself |
| 01:55.45 | a_meteorite | ...I'm not |
| 01:55.48 | JeffM2501 | yes you are |
| 01:56.02 | a_meteorite | it sets the vhosts up horribly |
| 01:56.05 | JeffM2501 | you don't like the way plesk handles it |
| 01:56.11 | a_meteorite | wait... that IS plesk's problems |
| 01:56.11 | JeffM2501 | so it's plesk, not vhosts |
| 01:56.15 | JeffM2501 | YES |
| 01:56.15 | a_meteorite | ignore me |
| 01:56.20 | a_meteorite | :) |
| 01:56.34 | blast007 | /ignore a_meteorite |
| 01:56.39 | blast007 | ;) |
| 01:56.52 | JeffM2501 | " i don't like cars".. "why?" .. "well I can never find the gas cap" |
| 01:56.56 | a_meteorite | lol |
| 01:56.58 | blast007 | hehe |
| 01:57.15 | a_meteorite | "but a gas cap is a feature of the car" |
| 01:57.18 | a_meteorite | ;) |
| 01:57.39 | JeffM2501 | and finding simple things is a feature of your brain |
| 01:57.41 | JeffM2501 | use it ;) |
| 01:57.52 | a_meteorite | uh oh, I think yum took my brain |
| 01:58.05 | blast007 | yum install cookies yum yum |
| 01:58.44 | a_meteorite | hmmm... now if the whole world used apt-get there wouldn't be wars ;) |
| 01:58.58 | pyr0 | arg, bad emerge ... screwed my sound, figures |
| 01:59.09 | pyr0 | whoops, wrong channel |
| 01:59.12 | a_meteorite | heh |
| 01:59.26 | blast007 | ~punish emerge |
| 01:59.29 | ibot | ACTION forces emerge to install and use Windows |
| 01:59.31 | pyr0 | all the same, l o |
| 01:59.32 | blast007 | lol |
| 01:59.37 | blast007 | that was fitting |
| 01:59.37 | pyr0 | bah, no |
| 01:59.41 | a_meteorite | emerge Windows |
| 01:59.46 | a_meteorite | that would be fun |
| 01:59.52 | JeffM2501 | I had a functioing prototype for an IRC based list system |
| 01:59.55 | JeffM2501 | was kinda cool |
| 02:00.03 | a_meteorite | you still got it, jeff? |
| 02:00.04 | JeffM2501 | tho the bots that serverd it were a bit odd |
| 02:00.09 | JeffM2501 | dono |
| 02:00.41 | JeffM2501 | basicly it just used IRC for the transport |
| 02:00.43 | blast007 | I still think that would be cool, or at least something similar to IRC |
| 02:00.47 | JeffM2501 | the bots still had to do the db syncs |
| 02:00.49 | blast007 | for chat |
| 02:01.01 | JeffM2501 | IRC itself dosn't have the concept of users and data and stuff |
| 02:01.07 | brlcad | shiney silver 17" macbook pro goodness |
| 02:01.11 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 02:01.21 | a_meteorite | iirc, devs love prototypes |
| 02:01.27 | JeffM2501 | so when will you have a universal build done? |
| 02:01.43 | pyr0 | freaky, it switched me from alsa to oss... bastard thing |
| 02:01.58 | pyr0 | oy vey, its ok, i need to build a new kernel anyways |
| 02:02.06 | brlcad | have to work through migrating data off the old to the new, that'll be fun |
| 02:02.25 | JeffM2501 | don't they have a firewire "i got a new computer" thingy? |
| 02:02.56 | brlcad | they had some data migration thing, but I prefer to migrate my home dir solo |
| 02:03.09 | brlcad | good time to spring clean |
| 02:03.20 | blast007 | and I don't always trust automation :) |
| 02:03.26 | a_meteorite | I've migrated from 10.2-10.3-10.4 no problem |
| 02:03.29 | a_meteorite | two macs too |
| 02:04.33 | JeffM2501 | I get the joy of puting new mobo and cpu in tomorow |
| 02:04.55 | a_meteorite | :( |
| 02:04.58 | pyr0 | but thats the best part, unless its the same or slower, in which case, its worthless |
| 02:05.12 | a_meteorite | what are you getting? |
| 02:05.14 | JeffM2501 | I'd rather not have to replace the mobo, but I do |
| 02:05.20 | JeffM2501 | 4600X2 |
| 02:05.24 | a_meteorite | mmm |
| 02:05.28 | JeffM2501 | to replace the 3800X2 |
| 02:05.32 | pyr0 | can i borrow it, for maybe a week |
| 02:05.38 | pyr0 | ohh ohh, i want the old one |
| 02:05.41 | JeffM2501 | the mobo is going to look stupid in the case tho :( |
| 02:05.41 | a_meteorite | you selling the 3899x2? |
| 02:05.46 | JeffM2501 | selling? |
| 02:05.48 | a_meteorite | *3800 |
| 02:05.48 | JeffM2501 | umm no |
| 02:05.53 | pyr0 | aww |
| 02:05.54 | a_meteorite | can you send it to me? :) |
| 02:05.57 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 02:05.59 | a_meteorite | aww |
| 02:06.05 | pyr0 | whatcha doin with it |
| 02:06.11 | blast007 | melting it down |
| 02:06.19 | pyr0 | probably, to spite us |
| 02:06.27 | a_meteorite | but, but, I need more than a k6-2 400mhz |
| 02:06.29 | a_meteorite | ;) |
| 02:06.34 | JeffM2501 | it an another like it are going to go into 2 friends machines to replace a 3000+ and a 3500+ |
| 02:06.38 | blast007 | a_meteorite: geez, uh, yeah |
| 02:06.39 | a_meteorite | ah |
| 02:06.53 | a_meteorite | blast007: well, I am saving you know... it just takes time... |
| 02:07.01 | JeffM2501 | the mobo will probably get the 3500+ and go in as Jer's second machine |
| 02:07.06 | blast007 | a_meteorite: save yourself! |
| 02:07.25 | a_meteorite | blast007: oh, I see, you don't want JeffM2501 to help me save |
| 02:07.27 | a_meteorite | ;) |
| 02:07.46 | JeffM2501 | I've never meet you, why would I send you a computer |
| 02:07.56 | pyr0 | what are your friends doing with the old ones :) i can always use something else |
| 02:07.58 | a_meteorite | because it would get a good home |
| 02:08.06 | a_meteorite | a loving home |
| 02:08.10 | JeffM2501 | it's trickle down |
| 02:08.16 | JeffM2501 | everything is going somewhere |
| 02:08.26 | pyr0 | well burst my bubble why dont ya |
| 02:08.34 | a_meteorite | hmmm... *takes note to meet JeffM2501 someday to get old parts* |
| 02:08.42 | JeffM2501 | dtr got the last trickledown remants |
| 02:10.18 | JeffM2501 | and I have to remember to recycle the 1600 and the celleron of the beast |
| 02:10.30 | a_meteorite | what are you doing with those? *coughs* |
| 02:10.46 | JeffM2501 | recyleing them |
| 02:10.51 | a_meteorite | aww |
| 02:10.58 | JeffM2501 | mobo for the 1600 is jacked |
| 02:11.01 | a_meteorite | what if I payed shipping for them or something? |
| 02:11.08 | a_meteorite | ahtlon 1600? |
| 02:11.11 | JeffM2501 | the celly of the beast is well a celly |
| 02:11.12 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 02:12.22 | a_meteorite | hmm... socket a... I should probably just keep saving and go for a conroe |
| 02:12.27 | JeffM2501 | it's not like you could put it in your mac |
| 02:12.38 | a_meteorite | no, but, I do want some PC stuff |
| 02:12.47 | JeffM2501 | then get a cheap 754 sempy |
| 02:12.47 | a_meteorite | like a peppy Linux and Windows XP |
| 02:12.56 | JeffM2501 | they are damn cheap |
| 02:14.40 | a_meteorite | or I could just save for another 6 months and get a conroe... |
| 02:14.50 | JeffM2501 | yeah they may be in stock by then |
| 02:15.12 | a_meteorite | I'm pretty excited about it for a PC |
| 02:15.17 | JeffM2501 | umm ok |
| 02:15.30 | JeffM2501 | what video card you gonna put in it? |
| 02:15.38 | a_meteorite | thinking an nvdian 7300 |
| 02:15.41 | a_meteorite | *nvidia |
| 02:15.53 | JeffM2501 | the little one |
| 02:16.38 | JeffM2501 | still your lookin at 600-800$ |
| 02:17.00 | a_meteorite | I was thinking the $800-1000 range |
| 02:17.21 | a_meteorite | let me pull the 7300 up... for some reason I bookmarked everything but that |
| 02:17.41 | JeffM2501 | it's the lown end 7x00 series |
| 02:17.46 | JeffM2501 | few pixel pipes |
| 02:17.48 | a_meteorite | yeah |
| 02:18.00 | a_meteorite | but I probably won't do anything tougher than america's army |
| 02:18.23 | JeffM2501 | then why waste the cash on the flashy CPU? |
| 02:18.35 | JeffM2501 | so you can waste cycles not sending stuff to your video card? |
| 02:18.51 | a_meteorite | I thought a 7300 is pretty nice |
| 02:19.02 | JeffM2501 | it's the LOW end 7x00 |
| 02:19.19 | a_meteorite | what about a 7800? |
| 02:19.26 | JeffM2501 | good luck bying one |
| 02:19.37 | a_meteorite | the money part or the out-of-stock part? :) |
| 02:19.53 | a_meteorite | I don't mind more saving if it means something more worthwhile |
| 02:19.56 | JeffM2501 | the 7900s replaced them |
| 02:20.00 | a_meteorite | ah |
| 02:20.16 | JeffM2501 | why save, peicemeal it ;) |
| 02:20.29 | JeffM2501 | get a mobo with a 6150 onboard, then get your better card later |
| 02:20.47 | a_meteorite | yeah, I was thinking that |
| 02:20.54 | a_meteorite | but then I get stuck with mATX.. |
| 02:21.04 | a_meteorite | but I don't want 5.1 sound or anything |
| 02:21.13 | JeffM2501 | and how many other cards are you gonna put in the system? |
| 02:21.19 | a_meteorite | probably none |
| 02:21.23 | JeffM2501 | exactly |
| 02:21.26 | a_meteorite | except the video |
| 02:21.32 | a_meteorite | ok |
| 02:21.42 | a_meteorite | I guess I nit-pick about the small parts |
| 02:22.14 | a_meteorite | this is way off BZFlag, though, should probably stop :) |
| 02:24.09 | JeffM2501 | the 7300 has less pipelines then the 6800's |
| 02:24.26 | JeffM2501 | hell even 6600's can do more in one clock |
| 02:24.26 | a_meteorite | wow, I never noticed! |
| 02:24.36 | JeffM2501 | cus you just look at the number ;) |
| 02:24.45 | a_meteorite | no, I look at the specs too ;) |
| 02:24.53 | JeffM2501 | http://www.techarp.com/showarticle.aspx?artno=88&pgno=0 |
| 02:24.57 | a_meteorite | but I thought a 6800 would obviously be worse |
| 02:25.03 | JeffM2501 | why? |
| 02:25.15 | a_meteorite | it was a prior generation |
| 02:25.23 | JeffM2501 | 6800 has 12 pixel pipelines, the 7300 has 4 |
| 02:25.31 | JeffM2501 | yeah but the 7300 was made to be a low end card |
| 02:25.38 | a_meteorite | ah |
| 02:25.39 | JeffM2501 | it was made to be slow |
| 02:25.50 | a_meteorite | marketing never makes sense, does it? |
| 02:26.06 | JeffM2501 | it was never marketed as a high end card |
| 02:26.16 | JeffM2501 | it's just based off the 7000 series design |
| 02:26.22 | a_meteorite | ahh |
| 02:26.27 | JeffM2501 | you just assumed |
| 02:28.39 | JeffM2501 | time to go home |
| 02:28.44 | a_meteorite | ok |
| 02:28.47 | a_meteorite | thanks for your insight |
| 02:28.49 | a_meteorite | cya |
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| 09:29.31 | pyr0 | zongggoooo |
| 09:32.47 | |zongo| | heya pyr0 :) |
| 09:35.41 | pyr0 | dont see you around very often anymore |
| 09:40.48 | pyr0 | meh, guess ill go on to work then |
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| 11:38.40 | deadman | hey can someone kick jimbomb of badgerking? he's ruining a good nite |
| 11:39.04 | deadman | ban would be better |
| 11:47.12 | deadman | nok nok |
| 11:47.35 | deadman | trepan |
| 11:53.14 | AlexandrTheGreat | i showed them how to do a kick poll |
| 11:53.18 | AlexandrTheGreat | and the guy is now kicked |
| 11:53.22 | AlexandrTheGreat | he was cheating big time |
| 11:55.35 | ruskie | gaahh I hate this heat... can't play due to my box being so hot... |
| 11:57.14 | AlexandrTheGreat | do you remove the cover? |
| 11:57.25 | ruskie | looonnnggg time ago :) |
| 11:57.34 | AlexandrTheGreat | and even that doesn't work. geez |
| 11:57.42 | ruskie | and I have extra fans etc... |
| 11:57.44 | AlexandrTheGreat | liquid cool your house :) |
| 11:57.48 | ruskie | atm putting one of the drives to sleep |
| 11:57.59 | ruskie | I could remove the other side cover as well |
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| 11:58.37 | AlexandrTheGreat | do you have a big fan blowing across it? |
| 11:58.57 | brlcad | a /poll kick is really only useful for NR players .. most other situations warrant /poll ban |
| 11:59.07 | ruskie | lot's of smaller ones :) |
| 11:59.14 | AlexandrTheGreat | i wasn't sure if i could run the ban |
| 11:59.20 | AlexandrTheGreat | he didn't come back after the kick |
| 11:59.34 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:00.02 | ruskie | my gpu has a 80mm fan, the cpu has a dual suck-in fan. then there's the psu fan and an extra helper fan at the back(100mm afaik) and an 80mm accross the dirves infront |
| 12:00.54 | AlexandrTheGreat | i'll run the poll ban next time, ty |
| 12:01.55 | Manu | good morning brlcad |
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| 12:25.36 | brlcad | Manu: good morning |
| 12:30.55 | blast007 | ruskie: take off the side, and attach a box fan |
| 12:31.12 | ruskie | blast007, both sides off and there's like a lot of fans already :) |
| 12:31.28 | blast007 | technically with the panels off, you can actually impair cooling |
| 12:31.43 | ruskie | well if I put them on it just get's extra hot :) |
| 12:31.55 | ruskie | it dropped by 3C when I removed the other panel |
| 12:31.58 | blast007 | probably a sign the cooling system doesn't work so well ;) |
| 12:32.48 | blast007 | :) |
| 12:32.56 | ruskie | and a way to siphon off the water while it melts... |
| 12:34.08 | AlexandrTheGreat | just sit the entire box in the refrig and drink warm beer |
| 12:34.15 | blast007 | hehe |
| 12:34.16 | ruskie | I don't drink beer :) |
| 12:34.22 | ruskie | hate it infact :) |
| 12:35.04 | ruskie | though might get lucky today... seems high chance of rain |
| 12:35.10 | ruskie | atleast if I look out the window... |
| 12:35.50 | AlexandrTheGreat | ok, sit it out in the rain, but unplug it first |
| 12:35.56 | ruskie | lol |
| 12:36.01 | ruskie | always original |
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| 14:03.50 | TheRedBaron | tuxsux admins: we could use a flag reset |
| 14:04.39 | tictok | TheRedBaron: i asked on #hepcat, but the place is empty |
| 14:05.06 | TheRedBaron | well, most of the admins are west coasters :) |
| 14:05.09 | TheRedBaron | they are mostly asleep |
| 14:05.17 | tictok | why arent i then? ;) |
| 14:05.21 | TheRedBaron | ie trepan :) |
| 14:05.30 | TheRedBaron | tictok: you're a bizarre exception ;) |
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| 15:56.33 | menotume | it's always seg's fault |
| 15:56.52 | menotume | life would be so much better without seg |
| 15:58.23 | A-Delusion | I see that |
| 16:02.50 | spldart | heh |
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| 16:55.11 | JeffM2501 | so thrid person tied to a key or a config value? |
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| 17:23.56 | JeffM2501 | mehh, I'll let somone hook it up to a key if they want to |
| 17:34.12 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (SceneRenderer.cxx defaultBZDB.cxx playing.cxx playing.h): add optional 3rd person camera and gunsights ( set by config vars ). |
| 17:40.35 | JeffM2501 | then that is why you won't hook it up to a key :) |
| 17:41.06 | DTRemenak | I don't approve of having it there at all |
| 17:41.20 | DTRemenak | bad news to ST and IB for one |
| 17:41.24 | DTRemenak | IB is already underpowered |
| 17:41.39 | JeffM2501 | oh I'm sure that it'll be pulled after everyone sees how pointless it is |
| 17:41.40 | TheRedBaron | IB isn't underpowered! |
| 17:41.54 | DTRemenak | is too |
| 17:42.04 | TheRedBaron | how can you dodge, what you cannot see? |
| 17:42.18 | DTRemenak | you can see it, if you don't have tunnel vision on your radar, silly |
| 17:42.40 | TheRedBaron | eh? |
| 17:42.42 | DTRemenak | and with third person view, you can see it even if it's coming from behind you |
| 17:42.51 | DTRemenak | IB is only invisible on radar |
| 17:43.01 | Chestal | this external view coudl also defeat some tactics without flags |
| 17:43.07 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 17:43.27 | JeffM2501 | I can make it so that you can't see behind your tank |
| 17:43.28 | Chestal | although there are already other kinds of 'extended' views available |
| 17:43.34 | Chestal | but noone uses them I guess |
| 17:43.39 | TheRedBaron | IB is underpowered for 3rd person view |
| 17:43.46 | TheRedBaron | but not for regular view |
| 17:43.49 | JeffM2501 | play with it and let me know |
| 17:43.55 | TheRedBaron | when I grab IB i keep it :) |
| 17:43.58 | JeffM2501 | 3rd person actualy makes it a total pain to aim |
| 17:44.12 | TheRedBaron | the only downside to it is, your teamates can't avoid your shots |
| 17:44.14 | JeffM2501 | I don't think anyone will like it, but they wanted to see it |
| 17:44.41 | JeffM2501 | you can futz with the camera distances in the config, I have no problem puting hardcoded caps on them |
| 17:44.42 | Chestal | well, in a .1 version, it cannot hurt anyone to try |
| 17:44.58 | Chestal | .odd verson, actually |
| 17:45.08 | ToughShooter | Hmm, does it have a special reason that when a tank is paused in LocalPlayer.cxx !obstacle == true? |
| 17:45.13 | JeffM2501 | even with 2 3d "gunsights" in front of you, it's hard to aim. |
| 17:45.18 | ToughShooter | That destroys the location check |
| 17:45.34 | DTRemenak | yeah, we can pull it out before we get final protocol |
| 17:45.37 | ToughShooter | as OnBuilding can only be detected with an obstacle |
| 17:45.44 | JeffM2501 | yeah, so try it out. |
| 17:45.57 | JeffM2501 | you have to restart to make changes to the config |
| 17:45.59 | menotume | Chestal: pong :) |
| 17:46.03 | JeffM2501 | or turn it on/off |
| 17:46.06 | Chestal | menotume: never mind :-) |
| 17:46.18 | menotume | okies, glad to be of service :) |
| 17:47.05 | DTRemenak | ToughShooter: check the commit that checked in that change...cvs logs are your friend :) |
| 17:47.33 | ToughShooter | Hmm, I did not thought of this :o |
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| 18:04.37 | ToughShooter | DTRmenak: From quick looking I did not found a commit tha did it |
| 18:04.51 | DTRemenak | ToughShooter: do you know about "cvs annotate"? |
| 18:05.05 | DTRemenak | it will tell you what commit last changed each line of a file |
| 18:05.11 | DTRemenak | then you can check the log for that commit |
| 18:05.34 | ToughShooter | DTRemenak: Would you consider stopping the location checking while pausing being a bad thing(tm)? |
| 18:05.39 | DTRemenak | if it's ws or something, you can annotate on the version prior to the last change, and it'll tell you the change before that. you can find out exactly who put every line in, where, and why. |
| 18:05.57 | DTRemenak | I have no idea, I have not looked at pausing stuff |
| 18:06.08 | ToughShooter | This is about collision detecting |
| 18:06.23 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, I made the default camera prety close to the tank |
| 18:06.24 | JeffM2501 | http://www.opencombat.net/files/images/screens/bzfi0024.png |
| 18:06.45 | JeffM2501 | so you can't realy see behind you well |
| 18:07.00 | DTRemenak | I'm guessing you can move it though :) |
| 18:07.05 | JeffM2501 | tho with some tricky settings you could maybe get close too a top down view |
| 18:07.07 | JeffM2501 | yeah you can |
| 18:07.16 | TheRedBaron | yea, thats ugly :) |
| 18:07.18 | JeffM2501 | but I'm not opposed to puting limits on how far back you can put it |
| 18:07.22 | ToughShooter | Some additional checks for the correct state do show the falling property in PlayerState.cxx is not set correctly by the client |
| 18:07.28 | JeffM2501 | yeah the tank looks like ass |
| 18:07.42 | DTRemenak | many properties seem to not really be correct |
| 18:07.52 | DTRemenak | feel free to fix |
| 18:08.04 | JeffM2501 | if you set the Z offset big, the XY offset small, and the target multiplyer small, you can get a top down view |
| 18:08.09 | JeffM2501 | and then vomit |
| 18:08.15 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 18:08.36 | ToughShooter | The only quick way I see is stopping the location checking during the pause but that would solve the symptoms, not the cause :/ |
| 18:08.46 | JeffM2501 | I may want to move the Z up a bit |
| 18:08.53 | JeffM2501 | so the tank is cut off by the bottom of the screen |
| 18:09.01 | TheRedBaron | the crosshairs are messed up |
| 18:09.02 | JeffM2501 | then you don't get so much tankbutt |
| 18:09.17 | JeffM2501 | no they arn't |
| 18:09.24 | TheRedBaron | true |
| 18:09.33 | TheRedBaron | their functionality isn't, |
| 18:09.43 | JeffM2501 | they are pojected 40 and 180 units infront of the place the shot comes out |
| 18:09.47 | TheRedBaron | however, their feasibility is doubtful |
| 18:09.51 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:10.00 | JeffM2501 | the game will not play well in 3rd person |
| 18:10.03 | TheRedBaron | thats what I mean by "messed up" |
| 18:10.28 | JeffM2501 | the view is targeted 50 units in front of the tank |
| 18:10.31 | JeffM2501 | you can mod that too |
| 18:11.04 | JeffM2501 | noone belived me when I said it was gonna be bad ;) |
| 18:11.17 | TheRedBaron | oh I believed you :) |
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| 18:16.56 | brlcad | ooh, 3rd person? shibby |
| 18:18.29 | brlcad | could make ST and IB flags on map disable ability to go to 3rd person, akin to the forced radar-hiding |
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| 18:19.23 | blast007 | seems like more work than it's worth :) |
| 18:19.34 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:19.44 | JeffM2501 | the way I did it, it should be fine with cliping |
| 18:19.52 | JeffM2501 | it basicly uses the observer stuff |
| 18:21.09 | JeffM2501 | tho it's in bzdb so it would be simple to have the server set it |
| 18:21.29 | brlcad | ahh |
| 18:21.43 | brlcad | i was hoping more for pulled back even more.. smaller tanks :) |
| 18:21.52 | brlcad | higher up :) |
| 18:22.19 | JeffM2501 | you can set the distances |
| 18:22.25 | JeffM2501 | they are bzdb vars |
| 18:22.46 | blast007 | heh, do a GTA 1 style bzflag |
| 18:22.52 | blast007 | top view ;) |
| 18:23.02 | JeffM2501 | you can do that by seting the XY offset to small |
| 18:23.05 | JeffM2501 | Z to big |
| 18:23.11 | JeffM2501 | and target to small |
| 18:23.45 | brlcad | ToughShooter: I was involved in the most recent tank pausing changes, though the question you ask goes even farther back |
| 18:24.06 | brlcad | i'd found a couple bugs in that code at the time, wouldn't be surprised if there are more if you're seeing something odd |
| 18:24.08 | JeffM2501 | just remember to take the #off the values in the config if you set them :) |
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| 18:26.14 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, this like what you want? |
| 18:26.14 | JeffM2501 | http://www.opencombat.net/files/images/screens/bzfi0026.png |
| 18:27.10 | ToughShooter | I will debug it further and hope I find a solution |
| 18:27.20 | brlcad | heh, not quite (too much), but still pretty nifty |
| 18:28.19 | JeffM2501 | http://www.opencombat.net/files/images/screens/bzfi0028.png |
| 18:30.14 | JeffM2501 | was the only feature from UTG that was worth puting back. |
| 18:32.19 | amcnabb | Quick question: how often does a world have more than one base per team? |
| 18:34.53 | blast007 | amcnabb: most people don't typically use more than one, but I've seen some that have used 3 or more per team |
| 18:35.22 | amcnabb | Interesting. |
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| 18:35.38 | brlcad | closer |
| 18:36.50 | brlcad | thinking more like the 2.5D shooters where you're basically looking over their shoulder from high up behind, ala laura croft, etc |
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| 19:04.53 | CBG | The "Find New Posts" link on the bzbb won't work for me. I tried 3 or 4 times today, each time it just says "No topics or posts met your search criteria" but I doubt there have been NO posts for 20 hours. :) |
| 19:05.09 | TheRedBaron | same :) |
| 19:05.25 | brlcad | so, you're saying you broke it |
| 19:05.33 | TheRedBaron | he broke it! |
| 19:05.37 | CBG | brlcad: how would I break it? |
| 19:05.48 | CBG | I clicked it before and it worked. Just today it does not. |
| 19:05.51 | CBG | Overuse, perhaps? :) |
| 19:05.56 | brlcad | why carelessness of course |
| 19:06.04 | CBG | ...? |
| 19:06.09 | blast007 | hehe |
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| 19:07.26 | blast007 | CBG: the "View posts since last visit" link? |
| 19:07.56 | CBG | That's the one. |
| 19:08.27 | CBG | The one that has worked fine for years, but has been playing up for a week or two now, and seems totally kaput today. |
| 19:08.28 | blast007 | it works for me |
| 19:08.45 | blast007 | tried clearing your cookies? |
| 19:09.10 | CBG | As I say, the link has been fine mostly, untill today. |
| 19:09.15 | CBG | Why would my cookies have changed? :/ |
| 19:09.23 | CBG | And if they have, whose fault is that? |
| 19:09.29 | CBG | I don't touch my cookies. |
| 19:09.32 | blast007 | your browser's fault |
| 19:09.39 | CBG | No. |
| 19:09.42 | blast007 | or phpBB ;) |
| 19:09.45 | CBG | I use Safari. No chance. :P |
| 19:09.50 | CBG | phpBB almost certainly. |
| 19:10.21 | blast007 | at least delete your cookies for my.bzflag.org |
| 19:10.48 | CBG | tsk. This sort of thing is something a user should never have to do. |
| 19:10.55 | CBG | If only phpBB actually WORKED.... |
| 19:11.10 | blast007 | CBG: fix it then :) |
| 19:11.30 | CBG | Hah. I don't have 3 years of my life to spare, sorry., |
| 19:11.39 | CBG | Try using decent forum software, perhaps? |
| 19:17.34 | brlcad | cbg shush |
| 19:17.42 | brlcad | you're wining about a rather tiny issue really |
| 19:17.54 | brlcad | whining even |
| 19:18.05 | brlcad | and it entirely could be a browser issue |
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| 19:51.33 | JeffM2501 | what is he whining about? |
| 19:53.14 | JeffM2501 | the board cookie settings are the same as they have been since the move. |
| 19:53.42 | spldart | He sounds like he had a bad day @ work and is griping here :) |
| 19:53.51 | JeffM2501 | he dosn't work IIRC |
| 19:54.33 | spldart | I'll shush now too then :-x |
| 19:58.53 | JeffM2501 | wonder if his timezone or something chagned |
| 20:01.30 | spldart | A thought has brought me to a question... If I wanted to make a statement to the ridiculous nature of running your server to the top of the list through bots.. and perhaps satire a certain other party guilty of such offense... What language would be tolerated on the list server... I was thinking of the phrase 'bot whore world'... If that's a major nono I'll drop the idea ;) |
| 20:02.16 | JeffM2501 | the term would not be best on the froums |
| 20:02.20 | JeffM2501 | bot hog maybe |
| 20:02.36 | JeffM2501 | or just tell us who and we can talk to them |
| 20:02.43 | JeffM2501 | rather then you starting a nice flamewar |
| 20:03.25 | spldart | Well. several of us have mentioned on here off and on that the Daler server is not only a Bot haven but at times Dalers and another party use mod clients on it... |
| 20:03.50 | JeffM2501 | well techincaly using mod clients is up to them |
| 20:03.59 | JeffM2501 | we just ask that they not advertise as such |
| 20:04.14 | JeffM2501 | how many bots are we talking about? |
| 20:04.30 | JeffM2501 | and do they play? or just pad the count? |
| 20:05.30 | spldart | oh.. I thought it was a general guideline that if you want to run a cheat server you keep it off public... my bad |
| 20:05.48 | JeffM2501 | if the server is just a cheat server then yes |
| 20:05.48 | spldart | Um bots go from 8 to 13 or so depending on the day |
| 20:06.10 | JeffM2501 | there is a gray area for badly admined servers that don't kick or ban cheaters |
| 20:06.19 | spldart | Sometimes the Daler name isn't doing any obvious cheats.. but sometimes it's blatant |
| 20:06.21 | JeffM2501 | is it advertiesed as a cheat server? |
| 20:06.25 | spldart | no |
| 20:06.31 | JeffM2501 | then it's harder to pin down |
| 20:06.34 | spldart | yeah |
| 20:06.43 | JeffM2501 | do the bots play? or do they just pad the count? |
| 20:06.49 | spldart | they play |
| 20:06.56 | JeffM2501 | then that is even harder |
| 20:07.01 | spldart | yep |
| 20:07.01 | JeffM2501 | cus they ARE players then |
| 20:07.10 | JeffM2501 | I can't say there is anythign direclty wrong about that |
| 20:07.12 | orange | they're usually -solo players |
| 20:07.24 | JeffM2501 | it at least makes for a more full game |
| 20:07.29 | JeffM2501 | 2.2 won't list bots |
| 20:07.53 | spldart | me and a couple others in this channel who shall remain unnamed have popped in his server with... chastisements or at times MANY bots of our own |
| 20:08.08 | JeffM2501 | what you would be posting realy would be your opinion |
| 20:08.16 | spldart | ic |
| 20:08.19 | spldart | okies |
| 20:08.23 | JeffM2501 | and if you took it into a derogitory way |
| 20:08.32 | JeffM2501 | then it's just like saying that somone sucks |
| 20:08.37 | JeffM2501 | not what the froums are for |
| 20:08.50 | spldart | But be aware that at least at times.. he does run a cheat client on his server. |
| 20:08.55 | JeffM2501 | if you did it in positive helping way, then maybe |
| 20:09.08 | JeffM2501 | it's not our job to poliece every server |
| 20:09.14 | JeffM2501 | servers can allow what ever they want |
| 20:09.20 | spldart | I'll keep it off the bzbb.. I know that's not appropriate |
| 20:09.32 | spldart | ok :) |
| 20:10.02 | spldart | I think I'll keep 'the satire' off the list server too. |
| 20:10.10 | JeffM2501 | we can only controll the list server, and he hasn't realy done anthing too bad as far as the list server goes |
| 20:10.36 | JeffM2501 | now I am prety sure I know why it's that specific server that keeps doing it all |
| 20:10.36 | spldart | yeah.. and I don't want to be responsible for some 'escelation' |
| 20:10.49 | JeffM2501 | and who is "walking the line" |
| 20:11.02 | JeffM2501 | it's a very fine line |
| 20:11.08 | spldart | :) |
| 20:11.14 | JeffM2501 | and somone is bound to step over at some point |
| 20:11.35 | spldart | I swear... I see accussations of cheating on that server more often than any other server by many fold hehehe |
| 20:11.49 | JeffM2501 | it's probably because people are |
| 20:11.56 | spldart | true |
| 20:15.05 | JeffM2501 | now my prefered server idea could take care of that for 2.2. as well :) |
| 20:20.51 | JeffM2501 | anyone know a good http server lib? |
| 20:20.56 | JeffM2501 | does one exist? |
| 20:21.47 | blast007 | JeffM2501: I've been looking at them for the last several hours ;) |
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| 20:21.53 | blast007 | most of them are overkill |
| 20:22.05 | blast007 | since we aren't serving files |
| 20:22.06 | JeffM2501 | think it may be better to just bust out a simple one? |
| 20:22.14 | blast007 | probably |
| 20:22.16 | JeffM2501 | yeah since we arn't serving files |
| 20:22.26 | JeffM2501 | I can problaby mod libIRCs backend to do the HTTP |
| 20:22.39 | blast007 | main thing we need is the multithreading support |
| 20:22.53 | JeffM2501 | do we? |
| 20:23.03 | blast007 | well, suppose we don't technically |
| 20:23.09 | blast007 | requests will be quick |
| 20:23.13 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:23.18 | JeffM2501 | I'd start no threads |
| 20:23.22 | JeffM2501 | just for proof of concept |
| 20:23.25 | blast007 | k |
| 20:23.27 | JeffM2501 | but modularise it |
| 20:23.36 | JeffM2501 | so it could be made threaded at a later date if needed |
| 20:23.39 | JeffM2501 | you gonna work on it? |
| 20:24.06 | a_meteorite | threaded what? :) |
| 20:24.14 | JeffM2501 | list server |
| 20:24.21 | a_meteorite | select() all the way :) |
| 20:24.53 | a_meteorite | the overhead of making a thread is great compared to selecting through requests |
| 20:25.15 | JeffM2501 | how can you say that when by your own admision you have little to no clue what we are talking about |
| 20:25.26 | a_meteorite | I built a simple server awhile ago |
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| 20:25.36 | a_meteorite | threading was more trouble than what it was worth |
| 20:25.43 | JeffM2501 | for your simple server maybe |
| 20:25.43 | a_meteorite | and eats a lot of memory |
| 20:25.53 | JeffM2501 | but we don't know how long our requests will take |
| 20:25.58 | JeffM2501 | or how long the database sycn will take |
| 20:25.59 | a_meteorite | ahhh |
| 20:26.02 | JeffM2501 | and there are thread libs |
| 20:26.04 | a_meteorite | that case, use threads |
| 20:26.04 | JeffM2501 | ram is cheap |
| 20:26.14 | a_meteorite | I thought you meant simple sending and receiving |
| 20:26.16 | JeffM2501 | unless your talking about megs and megs per thread |
| 20:26.30 | a_meteorite | it was just my two cents ;) |
| 20:26.41 | a_meteorite | I didn't know exactly what the whole idea was |
| 20:26.45 | JeffM2501 | well you make statements with no data to back them up ;) |
| 20:26.52 | brlcad | threading killed apache's performance.. though probably a special situation with this kernel :) |
| 20:27.13 | a_meteorite | I got data to back it up, I just didn't know the full scope of the problem ;) |
| 20:27.15 | JeffM2501 | I'd start with no threading |
| 20:27.20 | JeffM2501 | start simple |
| 20:27.24 | JeffM2501 | or it'll never be done |
| 20:27.29 | JeffM2501 | blast007, are you gonna work on it? |
| 20:27.38 | blast007 | depends how much time I have |
| 20:27.40 | brlcad | any of the stuff we do isn't going to stress threading, procs, or select style |
| 20:27.41 | JeffM2501 | or should I just do the IRC thing :) |
| 20:27.58 | blast007 | it would be the first thing of this nature that I've done |
| 20:28.27 | brlcad | blast007 / JeffM2501 : i've seen several httpd server libs that are pretty small |
| 20:28.30 | JeffM2501 | a_meteorite, the problem is, noone is doing any threading, or any other stuf, it's just talk, so we can't just say "go do threading" :) |
| 20:28.39 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, names? |
| 20:28.49 | a_meteorite | lighttpd uses select() |
| 20:29.01 | blast007 | brlcad: yeah, I did a search on SF, and I had like 1000 results :/ |
| 20:29.22 | JeffM2501 | a_meteorite, that a lib or a full server app? |
| 20:29.32 | a_meteorite | that's a full server app, but you can pull stuff from it |
| 20:29.45 | JeffM2501 | rather have a lib |
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| 20:30.05 | big_daddy2 | can any 1 give me a done server on bzflag? |
| 20:30.09 | a_meteorite | no |
| 20:30.19 | JeffM2501 | dude, enough with the asking |
| 20:30.21 | big_daddy2 | no 1 asked u |
| 20:30.22 | JeffM2501 | did you post on bzbb? |
| 20:30.32 | big_daddy2 | how? |
| 20:30.35 | blast007 | ... |
| 20:30.38 | a_meteorite | by logging in and posting |
| 20:30.41 | a_meteorite | like any other forums |
| 20:30.43 | big_daddy2 | ? |
| 20:30.48 | JeffM2501 | have you even registerd with our fourms? |
| 20:30.51 | big_daddy2 | how u post on forms |
| 20:30.56 | big_daddy2 | yes |
| 20:31.05 | JeffM2501 | then there is a topic called "MAP RELEASES" |
| 20:31.06 | a_meteorite | then login with the username and password you signed up with |
| 20:31.12 | JeffM2501 | go in there and hit the "new topic" button |
| 20:31.13 | big_daddy2 | yes |
| 20:31.14 | JeffM2501 | then ask |
| 20:31.15 | JeffM2501 | once |
| 20:31.17 | JeffM2501 | and only once |
| 20:31.46 | a_meteorite | heh |
| 20:31.59 | Mr_Molez | lol |
| 20:32.03 | a_meteorite | he got mad at me yesterday for not making him a server |
| 20:32.12 | a_meteorite | :) |
| 20:32.13 | JeffM2501 | he's still buging people about it? |
| 20:32.18 | a_meteorite | yeah |
| 20:32.19 | Mr_Molez | i told him i would give him one for a price ;) |
| 20:32.20 | JeffM2501 | he's been told not to |
| 20:32.23 | JeffM2501 | multiple times |
| 20:33.49 | a_meteorite | ok, matching time (as if I didn't say that already) :P |
| 20:33.58 | JeffM2501 | you did, 3 times |
| 20:34.24 | brlcad | blast007: try freshmeat, get better results |
| 20:34.29 | blast007 | blast007: k |
| 20:34.33 | brlcad | JeffM2501: not off the top of my head |
| 20:34.34 | brlcad | heh |
| 20:34.58 | JeffM2501 | cus I'd like to have some features with a new system |
| 20:35.01 | JeffM2501 | servers that can login |
| 20:35.09 | JeffM2501 | and tag data applied to each server |
| 20:35.10 | spldart | At least BigDaddy ip seems static :) |
| 20:35.17 | brlcad | http isn't great for sessioned connections |
| 20:35.30 | JeffM2501 | I know, I'll make em send it every time |
| 20:35.32 | brlcad | irc or ftp or custom would be a better protocol |
| 20:35.45 | JeffM2501 | mostly just to be able to tie data to specific servers |
| 20:35.50 | JeffM2501 | like we do with groups and users |
| 20:36.14 | JeffM2501 | so we can say "this server is part of this leauge" at a list sevel |
| 20:36.16 | JeffM2501 | level |
| 20:43.40 | blast007 | heh |
| 20:43.55 | JeffM2501 | well it was titled "sup" |
| 20:44.04 | blast007 | niiice... |
| 20:44.04 | JeffM2501 | and basicly said "give me free server.. LOL" |
| 20:46.34 | Mr_Molez | lol you told him to post it and delete it when he does :P |
| 20:46.38 | orange | I'm starting to adjust downward my mental age estimate |
| 20:46.50 | JeffM2501 | oh it has to be early teens |
| 20:46.58 | orange | not sure I agree |
| 20:47.02 | orange | I'm starting to think 11 or 12 |
| 20:47.03 | JeffM2501 | Mr_Molez, I sent him a PM on what he should post |
| 20:47.05 | DTRemenak | someone said he was 16. I don't believe it |
| 20:47.10 | Mr_Molez | ah k :P |
| 20:47.20 | DTRemenak | acts more like, I dunno, 9. |
| 20:47.36 | JeffM2501 | yeah I didn't just lock the thread and delete the accounts of everyone who had viewed it... |
| 20:51.47 | blast007 | this looks interesting: http://appinf.com/poco/info/index.html |
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| 20:52.11 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/RandomSpawnPolicy.h: the random spawn policy reports itself as name 'Random' |
| 20:52.12 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (SpawnPolicy.cxx SpawnPolicy.h): |
| 20:52.14 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: refactor SpawnPolicy into an abstract base class where the implementation must |
| 20:52.16 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: provide a name, new spawn positions, and spawn directions/azimuth. keep the |
| 20:52.18 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: wonderfully named isImminentlyDangerous() as well as isFacing() and |
| 20:52.20 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: distanceFrom() funcs as protected but rework them to function stateless by |
| 20:52.22 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: passing in a spawn candidate position |
| 20:53.33 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (DefaultSpawnPolicy.h DefaultSpawnPolicy.cxx): refactor the previous 'Default' spawn policy into its own DefaultSpawnPolicy class reporting his name appropriately, and utilizing the parent for general functionality. |
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| 20:57.14 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (SpawnPolicyFactory.h SpawnPolicyFactory.cxx): |
| 20:57.14 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: initial SpawnPolicyFactory for registering and creating SpawnPolicy objects on |
| 20:57.14 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: demand. the factory allows for a default policy to be set so that requests may |
| 20:57.14 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: make a simple request. probably should refactor the factory into its own |
| 20:57.14 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: interface ala Singleton (and perhaps make this a Singleton), but it's the first |
| 20:57.16 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: and doesn't warrant it yet. this implementation has a limitation in that bad |
| 20:57.18 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: things can happen if the returned SpawnPolicy is destroyed... |
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| 20:59.13 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/CmdLineOptions.cxx: |
| 20:59.13 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: add a -spawnPolicy option (case insensitive) to allow server operators to select |
| 20:59.13 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: from various available spawn policies. If an invalid policy is requested, the |
| 20:59.13 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: list of available policies is provided by the SpawnPolicyFactory, which also |
| 20:59.13 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: validates that it was indeed a valid/registered policy type |
| 20:59.38 | Gnurdux | brlcad, maybe make plugins not directly able to modify spawns now? |
| 20:59.52 | JeffM2501 | why would you want to do that? |
| 21:00.27 | Gnurdux | no reason i guess |
| 21:00.50 | JeffM2501 | well you had reason enough to sugest it |
| 21:01.22 | Gnurdux | just a thought |
| 21:01.32 | Gnurdux | it owuld force plugins to use the new system |
| 21:01.36 | JeffM2501 | why would you want to remove capabilitys |
| 21:01.45 | Gnurdux | you wouldn't... |
| 21:01.52 | Gnurdux | wait, take that back |
| 21:02.00 | JeffM2501 | can the API define a spawn policy? |
| 21:02.03 | JeffM2501 | and enforce it's use? |
| 21:02.16 | Gnurdux | it would be nice if it could |
| 21:02.33 | JeffM2501 | the current spawn overdide is basicly that |
| 21:03.45 | bryjen | brlcad: more to come, or should it compile as is now? |
| 21:04.33 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/man/bzfs.6.in: add documentation for -spawnPolicy as well as describing the basic current behavior of the default spawn policy |
| 21:04.38 | brlcad | bryjen: now it should |
| 21:04.43 | JeffM2501 | we are running into a problem with plugins |
| 21:04.49 | brlcad | that documentation was critical to the compilation ;) |
| 21:04.50 | JeffM2501 | having them overide command line options |
| 21:05.00 | bryjen | :P |
| 21:05.21 | bryjen | yeah, where would we be if code won't compile without docs... |
| 21:05.41 | JeffM2501 | pfff then bzflag wouldn't compile at all |
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| 21:08.55 | bryjen | SpawnPosition.cxx:30: error: cannot allocate an object of type `SpawnPolicy' because the following virtual functions are abstract: |
| 21:09.18 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/NEWS: Added server-side spawn policies, new -spawnPolicy bzfs option; Added new truely 'Random' server-side spawn policy |
| 21:11.01 | QuantumBeep | JeffM2501, every possible sentence ever written can be misread as "My Blog". That's why the internet is a complete monkey-playground. |
| 21:11.12 | JeffM2501 | heh |
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| 21:17.04 | spldart | Yay monkeys! |
| 21:28.45 | spldart | Yikes... Imma ole school web monkey 8-0 |
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| 21:40.50 | spldart | Any cool bzflaggers in memphis tn? I'm roadtripping up there next week :-D |
| 21:46.34 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ScoreboardRenderer.cxx: |
| 21:46.34 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: add checks for World::getWorld() potentially returning NULL .. need to see where |
| 21:46.34 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: there are more situations like this, I'm sure. this fixes tupy's reported sf |
| 21:46.34 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: bug [ 1510999 ] client fail with segv, sometime, while joining |
| 21:51.33 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/NEWS: Fixed potential crash during server join, tupone debugged and identified, i just did what he suggested and typed cvs commit |
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| 22:05.36 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (3 files): a slew of additional World::getWorld() calls not being checked for NULL World result. make sure we don't get all crashy when things go wierd. |
| 22:12.04 | menotume | Chestal: pingy ? |
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| 22:45.03 | spldart | Any boxy admins here? |
| 22:45.27 | spldart | err.. bzfx.net |
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| 22:45.49 | spldart | tank 'teamkiller' for whatelse... tk'ingh |
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| 22:58.20 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/AutoHunt.cxx: sans NULLage, just check it at the door |
| 22:58.37 | JeffM2501 | you on a nullhunt? |
| 22:59.10 | brlcad | nah, that was just a change of a lot of == NULL stuff and != NULL to just val !val |
| 22:59.31 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 22:59.36 | JeffM2501 | fun |
| 22:59.39 | brlcad | but yeah, on a null hunt |
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| 23:04.48 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (12 files): yuck, that was tedious... check all of the World::getWorld() calls to make sure NULL wasn't returned *anywhere* in order to prevent crashing due to subtle timing and rejoin issues |
| 23:18.31 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/RobotPlayer.cxx: oop, didn't save one of the herd. check all of the World::getWorld() calls to make sure NULL wasn't returned *anywhere* in order to prevent crashing due to subtle timing and rejoin issues |
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| 23:29.06 | brlcad | oooh.. sorry bryjen.. |
| 23:29.11 | brlcad | didn't commit a few files apparently :) |
| 23:31.56 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (SpawnPosition.cxx SpawnPosition.h): ooops, sorry 'bout that bryjen.. apparently did miss commiting a couple files.. use the new SpawnPolicyFactory when creating new spawn position points instead of a hard-coded policy. |
| 23:32.41 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, you think the api should be able to register policys? |
| 23:33.09 | brlcad | *shrug* |
| 23:33.18 | brlcad | if it can modify a spawn point, then it's sort of pointless |
| 23:33.24 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:33.29 | JeffM2501 | that's what I'm thinking |
| 23:33.30 | brlcad | it is sort of a policy in itself if you do that |
| 23:33.35 | JeffM2501 | or a mod to a policy |
| 23:33.47 | brlcad | plus a server op could merge the two |
| 23:33.48 | JeffM2501 | otheriwse to get the default behavor of a policy you'd have to dupe it's logic |
| 23:34.03 | brlcad | use a policy to set a default type, and then use some plugin to modify the spawn position slightly |
| 23:34.13 | JeffM2501 | yeah, that's what airspawn dows |
| 23:34.15 | JeffM2501 | fair nuf then |
| 23:34.37 | JeffM2501 | the game type plugins can just then overide the entire policy too if they want |
| 23:34.48 | JeffM2501 | was thinking of leting the plugin define a default policy tho |
| 23:34.55 | JeffM2501 | if one isn't specified by the user |
| 23:35.07 | JeffM2501 | some game mode plugins may want something other then default |
| 23:35.10 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (DangerousSpawnPolicy.cxx DangerousSpawnPolicy.h): |
| 23:35.12 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: initial implementation of a new 'dangerous' spawn policy that attempts to drop |
| 23:35.14 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: players into some sort of imminently dangerous position or at least close to |
| 23:35.18 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: some enemy while otherwise behaving like the default spawn policy in terms of |
| 23:35.24 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: placement |
| 23:35.48 | JeffM2501 | heh, the "I don't want to drive forever" policy |
| 23:36.37 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/DefaultSpawnPolicy.h: make the enemy proximity check protected so we can inherit from this class for DangerousSpawnPosition |
| 23:37.22 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/Makefile.am: add DangerousSpawnPosition.cxx and DangerousSpawnPosition.h to the build/dist |
| 23:38.40 | brlcad | :) |
| 23:39.00 | brlcad | might be interesting on really busy servers.. if you can get that busy |
| 23:39.07 | brlcad | good for the ADD kids maybe :) |
| 23:39.38 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/SpawnPolicyFactory.cxx: and with one line to include a header and one line of code, Dangerous spawn policies are added. woot! |
| 23:40.32 | JeffM2501 | hmmm.. do I REALY want to redo the tankparts stuff |
| 23:41.35 | PuMpErNiCkLe | The roll of the dice picks: only if you're feeling inspired. |
| 23:42.36 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/NEWS: added Dangerous server-side spawn policy, where every spawn is like open turkey season .. and you are the turkey! |
| 23:42.54 | JeffM2501 | well if I do what I want to do it'll be realy cool :) |
| 23:43.16 | Gnurdux | what do you want to do? |
| 23:43.21 | JeffM2501 | client will no longer do it's own sizing based on flag, but be told how big it is |
| 23:43.26 | JeffM2501 | in each axis |
| 23:43.42 | Gnurdux | then you could do better collision detection too |
| 23:43.50 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 23:44.02 | JeffM2501 | where did I mention collision detection? |
| 23:44.06 | Gnurdux | oh |
| 23:44.13 | Gnurdux | wait, i see |
| 23:44.31 | Gnurdux | that leads naturally to modification of narrow flags etc.. |
| 23:44.37 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 23:44.38 | Gnurdux | why not put in the weapons thing? |
| 23:44.52 | JeffM2501 | what do you mean "modification of narrow flags"? |
| 23:44.57 | a_meteorite | spldart: pong |
| 23:45.02 | a_meteorite | what was the player's name? |
| 23:45.23 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, if you could set all 3 axes, you could make narrow change them in differnet ways |
| 23:45.27 | brlcad | interesting: http://code.google.com/hosting/ |
| 23:45.31 | spldart | Ping |
| 23:45.33 | JeffM2501 | I guess yeah |
| 23:45.37 | a_meteorite | who was the TKer? |
| 23:45.39 | JeffM2501 | tho I won't let it do that |
| 23:46.02 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, and the shot thing is not easy |
| 23:46.03 | spldart | I'm sure he's long gone now but he used the name teamkiller. I'm sure his intention was to raise havoc |
| 23:46.05 | JeffM2501 | not easy at all |
| 23:46.10 | a_meteorite | alrighty |
| 23:46.19 | a_meteorite | he's got the big bad axe coming towards him :) |
| 23:46.27 | spldart | Not sure if it's spelled exactly as he spelled it though... assumming your searching the logs |
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| 23:46.41 | brlcad | looks like google is going to start providing hosting services ala sourceforge |
| 23:47.00 | CBG` | o.O |
| 23:47.10 | a_meteorite | woah |
| 23:47.13 | brlcad | the googleverse continues to expand |
| 23:48.05 | SportChick | hey brlcad |
| 23:48.10 | CBG` | sure does... |
| 23:48.24 | a_meteorite | woah... logDetail stopped logging player joins |
| 23:48.27 | a_meteorite | only chat |
| 23:48.32 | spldart | oop |
| 23:48.37 | a_meteorite | :\ |
| 23:48.39 | spldart | He didn't say anything that I noticed |
| 23:48.42 | spldart | poop |
| 23:48.48 | a_meteorite | this isn't the first time logDetail mysteriously stops working |
| 23:48.53 | CBG` | Just a note, the View New posts link thingy is working for me now. :| |
| 23:49.16 | a_meteorite | hah, no wonder |
| 23:49.42 | a_meteorite | someone tried loading ShockWaveDeath, I've noticed that whenever you load or unload a plugin after logDetail it screws up |
| 23:49.45 | a_meteorite | ...twice |
| 23:49.49 | Gnurdux | brlcad, it looks like its only googlerelated stuffs |
| 23:50.04 | spldart | I did think that was odd... usual a asshat comes in with teamkiller name they brag and get abnoxoius when they do thier killing... at least to my experience |
| 23:50.16 | spldart | oo |
| 23:50.18 | brlcad | Gnurdux: they haven't opened it up yet |
| 23:50.18 | a_meteorite | JeffM2501: is there a perm for loading a plugin? I don't have one in my groups, yet all my cops can |
| 23:50.21 | spldart | plugin issues |
| 23:51.09 | JeffM2501 | you have to be admin |
| 23:51.17 | JeffM2501 | basicly have the @ |
| 23:51.22 | a_meteorite | which is the ban perm |
| 23:51.28 | JeffM2501 | kick or ban IIRC |
| 23:51.35 | a_meteorite | hmmmm |
| 23:51.39 | a_meteorite | I wish it was a perm.. |
| 23:51.45 | a_meteorite | I could probably patch that :) |
| 23:51.56 | JeffM2501 | isn't that hard :) |
| 23:52.05 | a_meteorite | no, I just gotta find where it is |
| 23:52.09 | JeffM2501 | just add a custom perm |
| 23:52.20 | a_meteorite | ok |
| 23:52.20 | JeffM2501 | it's done as a custom / command |
| 23:52.54 | JeffM2501 | all you have to do is change one line |
| 23:53.04 | JeffM2501 | if ( !record.admin ) |
| 23:53.05 | a_meteorite | but I have to find it :P |
| 23:53.15 | JeffM2501 | to if ( !record.hasPerm("yourperm")) |
| 23:53.47 | a_meteorite | ah, bzfsPlugins.cxx |
| 23:53.48 | a_meteorite | thanks |
| 23:54.01 | JeffM2501 | then add the custom perm to your groups |
| 23:54.15 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, btw have you seen Cube 2? |
| 23:54.20 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 23:54.30 | JeffM2501 | well other then when it was being protoed |
| 23:54.31 | Gnurdux | it looks really cool |
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| 23:54.49 | Gnurdux | http://sauerbraten.org/ |
| 23:54.54 | JeffM2501 | it's just arbitary paralealpipipds |
| 23:57.20 | Gnurdux | brlcad, you can make projects in the hosting though |
| 23:58.01 | JeffM2501 | bahh, it'd just be easyer to redo the entire tank thing |
