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00:11.02JeffM2501is it time to go home yet?
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01:31.46menotumepyr0: pingy
01:32.09pyr0menotume: pony
01:32.13menotumepm ...
01:32.14pyr0no pong, but pony
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03:50.01Tmanhow do people get those impossible laser shots off that bounce like 10 times?
03:50.58blast007I usually just kill myself when I do that
03:51.10blast007and someone miss the other 15 players on the ground
03:51.13blast007somehow*
03:51.21Tmanlol
03:52.53blast007typically in those situations, it's just a matter of luck
03:53.00blast007laser can be very unpredictable
03:53.16TmanI see :)
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04:35.00sicshooterHello all
04:35.17sicshooterI'm having some issues with my client that I'm hoping someone can shed some light on
04:36.06sicshooterMy radar display is about 1 second behind. Someone is at the peak of their jump before my radar registers them leaving the ground...
04:36.27menotumeall tanks ?
04:36.43sicshooteryes
04:37.01menotumeafaik, the radara is always in sync
04:37.15menotumewith what you see
04:37.23sicshooterI have checked the ping stats on each instance after it happens, and it happens as often with low lag players as it does with high lag players
04:37.38menotumewell, that was my next question :)
04:38.00sicshooterWell that's the other thing...even low lag players sometime kill me before I see them leave the ground in my hud as well
04:38.09menotumedo you have a decnet vid card ?
04:38.14JeffM2501what is your fps?
04:38.48sicshooternvidia geforce4 mx 440-se with an in game framerate of 90-140
04:39.01menotumenhmm
04:39.05menotumeno idea :(
04:39.23sicshooterI hve rebuilt my client from cvs using both the 2.0 and 2.1 branches
04:39.41menotumewhat server ?
04:39.50sicshooterI'm assuming that some dependency package was poorly built, just hoping someone can finger a culprit
04:39.54menotumeare tanks jumpy ?
04:40.00sicshooterboxy wars usually
04:40.08menotumeahh
04:40.17sicshooterno...aside from the timing all looks normal
04:40.23JeffM2501no one package would controll that
04:40.24sicshootermost of the time
04:40.26JeffM2501we do our own net
04:40.38sicshooterk...that's a start :)
04:40.38menotumeopen gl ?
04:40.44JeffM2501then his FPS would suck
04:40.48menotumeya
04:41.12menotumeand, when did this start happening to you ?
04:42.02menotumeJeffM2501: lots of laser at boxy
04:42.07JeffM2501so
04:42.17menotumeduuno :)
04:42.22JeffM2501laser is one message
04:42.38menotumedisplaying can get funky
04:43.08JeffM2501shoujdn't do much
04:43.16sicshooterAbout 2 weeks or so ago I was having issues with getting shot inside base when no tanks appeared in the base on my radar. I watched and found it was a recurring thing, so I decided to try recompiling (I know nothing of the actual workings of the game) and was pointed to the 2.0 cvs branch by someone in this channel...
04:43.17JeffM2501it's just 8 tris per segment
04:44.24JeffM2501what OS?
04:44.29sicshooterI built from cvs and about an hour later I got banned from the boxy wars server for wallwalking. I never tried to do that so I assumed the client was at fault, and returned to the 2.1 cvs branch
04:44.31sicshootersvn rather
04:44.36sicshooterarchlinux
04:44.39JeffM2501we don't use SVN
04:44.49sicshootero yeah lol
04:45.02sicshooterI built amarok from svbn today so it's stuck in my head
04:45.07sicshootersvn*
04:45.45menotumewell, i dunno - i suppose you could try changing your radar rendering option
04:45.48sicshooterSince returning to the 2.1 branch noone has told me of any issues with my tank acting funny so I've stuck with 2.1 cvs since
04:46.03sicshooterIs that in ./configure?
04:46.12menotumeoptions / gui / radar style
04:46.22menotumejust to see if it makes a diff
04:46.42sicshooterI tried that....it's really hard to play under any mode but normal
04:47.05JeffM25012.1 is not compatable with 2.0 you don't want that
04:47.08sicshooterso I had trouble telling if the trouble was still happeneing while in alternative modes
04:47.22menotumegotya
04:47.28menotumewell, 'normal' should be fine
04:48.02sicshooterI made the radar opaque to see if it was a resource problem, but the timing still lags opaque
04:48.36JeffM2501if it was a drawing problem your fps would be low
04:49.10sicshooterTruthfully I don't even know what "low" would be on this game
04:49.15JeffM250110
04:49.18JeffM25015
04:49.22JeffM25013
04:49.28sicshooterthat would hurt lol
04:50.13menotumewell, does radar do anything different, different ogl calls ?
04:50.29JeffM2501umm yeah lol
04:50.34JeffM2501nope
04:50.35sicshooterIf it's helpful for anything or another person has similar issues: I'm running an athlon XP 2000+ with 1 gig ddram
04:50.41JeffM2501again it would jack his fps
04:50.59JeffM2501I'm guessing it's proxy or something wierd upstream from his net
04:51.28sicshootermenotume: I don't know what that means
04:51.44sicshooterI'm not a big gamer...I don't know much about opengl
04:51.56menotumeis ok, probably not the problem
04:52.10menotumeJeffM2501: would know much better than I
04:52.16menotumejust throwing out ideas
04:53.44sicshooterthat's what I'm here for :)
04:53.45sicshooterideas
04:53.57JeffM2501you have a proxy server on your ISP?
04:54.00JeffM2501or any wiered networking?
04:54.04menotumenso, it's a consistant problem, and YOUR lag/jitter stats are fine ?
04:55.15sicshooterI have a router that is dmzed to a linux gateway mach8ine. That machine dhcp's this machine th connection...but it's straightforward and consistant
04:55.50sicshooterMy ping tends to stay very stable at about 32 ms
04:55.55menotumesicshooter: can you go to a server now ?
04:56.00sicshootersure
04:56.04menotumebzflag.no-ip.com:5156
04:56.05sicshooterYou want to observe?
04:56.10JeffM250132 seems REALY low
04:56.34menotumeya, sort of
04:56.49sicshooterk
04:56.51sicshooterbrb
04:59.02sicshooterwhoa....I tried to connect with team: automatic and it said kicked...must join green team..h??enabled.
04:59.13sicshooterSo I tried becoming green and it crashed my client
04:59.21JeffM2501I think your build didn't work right
04:59.29JeffM2501did you do a standard build or muck around with stuff?
04:59.34menotumedid you try more than once (as green)
04:59.44menotumemine crashes on rejoins sometimes too
04:59.46sicshooteryes
04:59.52menotumeinteresting
04:59.58JeffM2501I'm guessing is endian pack is not right
05:00.04sicshooterI opened the client again and manually entered the fields and it crashed again
05:00.14JeffM2501how did you build the client?
05:00.20menotumewow, that would really screw things up :)
05:00.25JeffM2501yeah it would
05:00.30sicshooterStandar ./configure && make && make install
05:00.36JeffM2501you didn't run autogen?
05:00.40sicshooterI did
05:00.42sicshooterSorry
05:00.44JeffM2501wierd
05:00.51JeffM2501what version of GCC?
05:00.56sicshooterautogen.sh && ./configure && make && make install
05:01.11sicshootergcc 4.1.1-3
05:01.18JeffM2501very strange
05:01.24orangeshould have stuck with good old 3.3 like me :-)
05:01.57JeffM2501don't know what to tell ya man
05:01.58orange3.2.2 actually
05:01.58JeffM2501that could be an option
05:01.58JeffM2501try with gcc 3
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05:01.58sicshooterI will install the 2.0 branch and try that server again
05:01.59JeffM2501yeah just use 2.0
05:02.03JeffM25012.1 is under development
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14:08.18spldartShould I worry about "Logging Player I Die Easy [1] tank too fast (tank: 41.753891, allowed: 26.516504){Dead or v[z] != 0}" He was dominating the map as well.
14:14.08RatOmeterdunno.
14:14.31RatOmetersounds like he's too fast to live, too young to die
14:15.23spldartFor those who have banned axl rose for the numerous reasons he should be.... he's getting aroun my subnet ban with the ip 24.177.58.131 so I've added that now.. just a heads up
14:15.41spldarthehe rato
14:16.44RatOmeterwhat his subnet that you banned previously?
14:19.58spldartjust a sec... confused
14:21.31Mr_Molezwhy not find out why he is doing it before you ban ?
14:22.51spldartI know why I banned him ;)
14:23.06spldartnm. the ip... got him confused with another ban
14:23.18Mr_Molezi would be curious to know why he is spamming league sites though
14:23.25Mr_Molezhas anyone talked to him before they banned him ?
14:23.30spldartI did
14:23.47spldartHe wouldn't discuss a thing though.. just acted weird and spammed
14:23.54Mr_Molezohh heh
14:24.05SportChickRatOmeter: he's on masterban, fyi
14:24.09spldartGave him 1 or 2 warnings too :)
14:24.27SportChickMr_Molez: I tried
14:24.35SportChickMr_Molez: but he won't "talk" - he just keeps spamming
14:25.19Mr_Molezmaybe if i spam him a little then talk to him he will listen, he has alot more spamming to do before he gets to my level :P
14:25.39spldarthehe
14:25.51spldartLink to masterban list?
14:25.56RatOmeterI believe I saw him on BZWAR (before I had ban rights there)... does he just spew out a buncha crap ceaselessly in chat?
14:26.11blast007spldart: http://www.bzflag.org/master-bans.txt
14:26.44SportChickhehe, blast007 is faster :)
14:26.50blast007:)
14:27.19RatOmeteroh, forum abuse?
14:27.21spldarttanks
14:28.14SportChickyep
14:28.24SportChickhe branched out from merely spamming servers
14:28.33SportChickhe started spamming forums too
14:28.35spldartgeez.... nm... the previous situation stand by itself. and I needed to re add the master ban list to take care of this one.... hehe
14:29.07spldartI can just copy and paste the master ban list to my 'naughty
14:29.12spldart' tanks file right?
14:29.25spldartno more /masterban reload
14:30.31Mr_Molezwhy was t-90 put on the masterban list if its a dynamic ip, seems a waste of time
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14:38.55SkeeveMaster ban list? Does it only ban IPs?
14:39.20SkeeveOr is there a way to ban a callsign
14:39.46Manuactually only IP
14:39.52Mr_MolezSkeeve: when ur on the master ban list the callsign registered at my.bzflag.org/bb is also suspended
14:39.56Manubut you can ban by callsign registered players
14:40.23SkeeveChristopher Reeves Wheelchair is one such candidate :-(
14:40.27SkeeveAlways cheating
14:40.44blast007Skeeve: he could just use an unregistered name then..
14:40.54SkeeveHe could but didn't yet
14:40.57Manuyes, not very usefull
14:41.04blast007he would if he was suddenly banned from all servers
14:41.05ManuSkeeve: is he registered?
14:41.13SkeeveYes. He is
14:41.49Manublast007: well you always can add the callsign to the swear file ;)
14:41.59blast007hehe
14:42.03ManuI did it once
14:42.13SkeeveWhat happens then?
14:42.23Manuthen is callsign is not allowed
14:42.26blast007you can make the server filter out bad callsigns
14:42.31SkeeveI don't have a server so I don't know what an admin/operator can do
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15:40.16SkeeveDTRemenak... Are you there?
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16:12.46Pommesadmin needed
16:12.54Pommescheater on bzflag.wnc.or.at:5154
16:13.02Pommeshe's never dying and spamming etc ....
16:13.43SportyGaleek
16:14.22Pommesthx!
16:14.32Theme97He's gone.
16:14.52Pommesyes
16:16.58spldartshare ip for other server owners?
16:17.32wegstar:)
16:18.10spldartsince I still have everything open from this mornings bans ;)
16:19.08Theme97Uh, how are we supposed to do that?
16:19.08Theme97:S
16:20.04spldartMy bad.. I had assumed from the conversation that pommes reported and you had banned... my bad
16:20.24spldartwhat was his tankname though?
16:20.27blast007that's what it sounded like to me too
16:22.25JeffM2501well somone said "thx!" so that implies that action was taken
16:22.27JeffM2501and somone needed to be thanked for it
16:22.32JeffM2501so it's a reasonable assumption
16:25.46wegstarhmm
16:26.09Pommesspldart: tankname was "wildabeast"
16:26.38PommesI said "thx" because the guy disappeared
16:26.44PommesI though somebody had kicked him
16:27.20blast007his mom probably told him to come eat lunch  ;D
16:27.24spldartLOL
16:27.36Pommeshe's probably cheating there too
16:27.39spldartthanks for the tankname Pommes
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16:33.03CBGHow do you cheat at lunch..?
16:33.49spldartGah... built the file server quite a while ago and a request for a file yesterday has led me to an entire grouping of files I had forgotten to put in 8-0
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16:58.55coachjanyone here, BZ crashes on start up I'am using Kububtu
16:59.23Admirarqhttp://www-personal.umich.edu/~sooty/romance/bk.oncealways.html
16:59.30AdmirarqWrong window
16:59.33AdmirarqPlease ignore that
16:59.44coachjok
16:59.51coachjcan U help me
17:00.07ToughShooterWhen does it crash exactly?
17:00.29JeffM2501when you join the game with a username and password?
17:00.32coachjflashes a blank screen for about 1 second after start
17:00.32ToughShooterJust when you launch or when you try to connect to a server?
17:00.43coachjthen crashes
17:00.49JeffM2501when?
17:00.52JeffM2501do you get to the menu?
17:00.56coachjat launch
17:01.00coachjno
17:01.05JeffM2501what video card?
17:01.11coachjati 8500
17:01.18JeffM2501what drivers?
17:01.23JeffM2501DRI or the ones from ATI?
17:01.37coachjhaving trouble with 3d, not sure
17:01.58JeffM2501I would make sure you have the current ones from ATI and that they are installed properly
17:02.16coachjok
17:02.33coachjthks
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17:15.51DTRemenakSkeeve: yup
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17:32.34TheBarronI just LOVE spawning right in front of the dude that just killed me with GM. That's awesome
17:33.19wegstar:)
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17:39.02noobkillerhi
17:39.32noobkilleris BZFlag down?
17:39.59Mr_Moleznoobkiller: the server list is
17:40.11noobkilleroh
17:40.13noobkillerok
17:40.34Mr_Molez~bzflist
17:43.41a_meteorites=1? heh
17:45.04noobkillerumm it works but im on ladse.de and it says i have to identify myself
17:46.16spldartWhew... Just finished an update on the file server... Just realized my cdr/dvdr count is up to about 1400 disks now 8-0 !
17:46.59Mr_Molezthe whole server is down :P
17:47.02noobkilleris the forums working?
17:47.03Mr_Molezbrlcad: :P
17:47.10Mr_Moleznoobkiller: nope
17:47.35noobkillerwhy cant i identify myself on gu.ladse.de 5154
17:47.44a_meteoritenoobkiller: because it uses global auth
17:47.52a_meteoriteif global auth goes down you can't ID yourself
17:48.06a_meteorite~lart my.bzflag.org
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17:48.29spldartpoop.. was about to start playing on bz too :(
17:48.30noobkillerso is global auth down?
17:48.47a_meteoritenoobkiller: for the 5th time, YES
17:49.09noobkillerok
17:49.19spldartpoop and crap and poop :(
17:49.41a_meteorite:\
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17:51.42zee233hi
17:51.57zee233where are all the servers????
17:52.23zee233do i have a problem or is something going on???
17:52.59a_meteoritezee233: the list server is down
17:53.08*** topic/#bzflag by JBdiGriz -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/GettingHelp || paste to http://bzflag.pastebin.ca || CVS HEAD is 2.1 UNSTABLE, use for new commits || 2.0.8 is released react acordingly || the list server is down
17:53.14zee233how is this possible???
17:53.24a_meteoritezee233: servers go down, that is life
17:53.25JeffM2501the computer... it went down
17:53.39a_meteoritelike when your computer crashes..
17:53.46zee233ok ... thx for the info!!!
17:53.46a_meteoritewell, it happens to servers too :)
17:53.56zee233yes it does ...
17:54.08zee233will it be up shortly
17:54.19orangein 13.712 minutes
17:54.21a_meteoritedepends how fast the hosting company fixes it...
17:54.34zee233serious then ...?
17:54.36a_meteoritewhich could be 5mins as I've seen in the past or a couple hours
17:54.43a_meteoriteit varies
17:54.59orangeyes, it isn't a problem that has an X minute solution
17:55.00JeffM2501you sure it's even a hosting company issue?
17:55.04zee233anyway a BIG thanks for the hard work you have done!!!!!!!
17:55.28a_meteoriteJeffM2501: well, I can't get to it here at school like normal
17:55.39a_meteoriteJeffM2501: I would assume it's either the server or the hosting company :P
17:55.44noobkiller12
17:55.46JeffM2501or the interweb
17:55.58JeffM2501or the software on the server
17:56.05a_meteoritewell, could be ;)
17:56.05noobkiller12 minutes
17:56.36orangeJeffM2501: fyi, proxs hasn't given up on trying the list server yet, I guess, because the disconnected stuff isn't letting me spawn
17:56.38a_meteoritealthough it's funner to shift blame to the hosting company when you don't know cause as long as it's down it doesn't matter either way :P
17:56.40orangethis is the first real test
17:56.56noobkillerif we cant play bzflag then what are we gonna do?
17:56.58zee233lol
17:57.04JeffM2501cus the actual machien isn't down
17:57.31zee233new jesus hack ;)
17:57.32JeffM2501just web it seems
17:57.41JeffM2501pardon zee233 ?
17:57.42noobkillerim gonna play fifa street2 on my xbox bye
17:57.49zee233just kidding
17:57.55JeffM2501not funny
17:58.02JBdiGrizCould it be a disgruntled bzasshat who feels like taking pot shots at the network connection?
17:58.11zee233i know...its me zaphod by the way....
17:58.12noobkillerlol
17:58.18JeffM2501httpd is using 85% of the cpu
17:58.32orangeJeffM2501: but when the bzfs can't reach the list server via web, wouldn't that indicate failure enough to trigger the 'disconnected' state
17:58.35JBdiGrizHow many connections are currently active?
17:58.41JeffM2501orange, one would think
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17:58.53JeffM2501a LOT
17:59.05JBdiGrizI vote it's the disgruntled bzasshat.
17:59.09noobkillerim not a computer expert so i dont know what you guys are talking about
17:59.36JBdiGrizCan you check the IP's for the connections?
17:59.39zee233so its the computer crashed, line down or a hck???
17:59.40JeffM2501yeah it's all a couple of hosts
17:59.42DTRemenakheh, my ssh connection is lagging terribly
17:59.43JeffM2501odd
17:59.46JeffM2501mostly IRC
17:59.56JeffM2501irc.yakimanka.ne.https
18:00.10zee233all ok again!
18:00.15menotumeapache reset, working now
18:00.15bryjen~country ne
18:00.19ibotCountry codes are at http://www.ics.uci.edu/pub/websoft/wwwstat/country-codes.txt
18:00.19TD-Linuxyay ;)
18:00.27JBdiGrizThat sounded strange that IRC was making http connections.
18:00.33noobkillerFace it its a disgruntle bzasshat
18:00.33JeffM2501menotume, thanks, I don't have perms for that
18:00.34zee233servers are up again :)
18:00.38JeffM2501JBdiGriz, indeed
18:00.48JeffM2501zee233, the servers never went away, just the list
18:00.52a_meteoriteJeffM2501: why would the list server even be communicating to an irc server?
18:01.04menotumenp
18:01.05a_meteoriteand that many connections at that
18:01.06JeffM2501a_meteorite, because the computer does more then just bzflag
18:01.12JeffM2501it's STILL listing them
18:01.12zee233ok ... i know .... its me ::: zaphod ;)
18:01.14a_meteoriteJeffM2501: ah
18:01.26noobkilleris the global auth working now?
18:01.30JeffM2501should be
18:01.36a_meteoriteJeffM2501: have you considered ever getting a truly dedicated list server? :)
18:01.41menotumeJeffM2501: what about bzflag.bz and irc ?
18:01.47a_meteoritecause maybe those other things are causing problems
18:01.56JBdiGrizI assume that the name of the machine was irc, and it was making http connections.
18:01.58JeffM2501a_meteorite, it's not the proroblem
18:02.08JeffM2501JBdiGriz, yeah that's what it looks like
18:02.31JeffM2501a_meteorite, it's just not efficent to use apache for it
18:02.42JeffM2501a dedicated machien will still get nailed by asshats
18:03.03JeffM2501the list system needs to be made distributed.
18:03.06JeffM2501that's it
18:03.17a_meteoritehow would a dedicated machine be different from DoSing and such?
18:03.27a_meteoriteoh, I see you said "still"
18:03.31JeffM2501nothing, it'd still get flooded
18:03.58JeffM2501the only real solution is to not have a single plint of failure
18:04.02a_meteoritelike a list server cluster :)
18:04.13JeffM2501you gonna write it?
18:04.32a_meteoriteno, I don't have those sort of skills
18:04.45JeffM2501then you probably have a long wait
18:04.50a_meteoriteI'm assuming some point in the future it'll be written by somebody
18:04.59JeffM2501sure it will
18:05.01JeffM2501just like karama
18:05.09a_meteorite;)
18:05.12menotumeand logging :P
18:05.19JeffM2501yeah
18:05.38zee233what are you guys doing for a living??? all working in the network business? sry just courious ...
18:05.41JeffM2501history has shown.. if you ain't gonna write it.. don't hold your brath
18:05.53a_meteoritehey, well you never know...
18:06.09JBdiGrizWill the "powers that be" support changes that will allow for a distributed list server?
18:06.36JeffM2501yeah everyone is for it
18:06.47JeffM2501we can even swap to a totaly new list system for 2.2
18:06.56a_meteoritethat would really be nice
18:07.02bryjenhmm, must be truncated. there's no irc.yakimanka.ne, but rather .net.  russians...
18:07.13JeffM2501damned russians
18:07.18a_meteoriteeek, the russian mafia
18:07.22JeffM2501where is stallone when we need him?
18:07.33bryjengremlins from der kremlin
18:07.46a_meteoriteheh
18:07.51JBdiGrizIf everyone is for it, then there has been a change of attitude or a coup.
18:08.17JeffM2501Tim's generaly had a bit of a change in attitude lately
18:08.19a_meteoriteJBdiGriz: As far as I knew, most everyone was for it
18:08.26JeffM2501more willing to go along with other's ideas
18:08.28JeffM2501it's a good thing
18:08.44JeffM2501he even said he wanted xmission to be a node in the system
18:08.52a_meteoritexmission?
18:08.55JeffM2501so if that's not for it. I don't know what is
18:08.58JBdiGrizI'll try adding a few more capabilities towards a distributed list server again. I'll tell him you forced me to do it.
18:08.59JeffM2501an ISP in utah
18:09.00orangewell, JeffM2501, the first real world test of the disconnected group failed.  I'll see if I can see anything obvious.  menotume suggests that maybe it could connect but not get a response, which might not have led to a failure mode, but I did see some timeouts in the log, which I would have thought would have triggered failure
18:09.13JeffM2501orange, umm ok
18:09.31JeffM2501it's set to set the failure when libcurl returns an error
18:09.43orangewhich it ought to on timeout, I'd think
18:09.51menotumei can setup a listserver that listens, but doesn't repond for testing
18:10.01JeffM2501why go that far?
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18:10.10JeffM2501just change your local DNS while it's runing :)
18:10.10menotumepretty easy :)
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18:10.20JeffM2501or block it on a firewall
18:10.26orangeJeffM2501: I already did that, effectively
18:10.26JeffM2501a lot simpler ;)
18:10.29menotumenthen, no connect
18:10.29orangebut putting in a bogus address
18:10.35ToughShooterWell, you can also slow it down with IPFW
18:10.35orangemeaning no connect, right
18:10.41JeffM2501no you want it to start out ok
18:10.45JeffM2501then fail in the middle
18:11.00a_meteoriteand do it over and over for stress testing ;)
18:11.11JeffM2501a_meteorite, huh?
18:11.13ToughShooterJust one rule to limit the bandwidth of outgoing packets on that port with http connection type
18:11.19a_meteoriteJeffM2501: nvm
18:11.38JBdiGrizThe major changes need to be a distributed database which shares across listservers. That's a bunch of mysql setup, and doesn't impact bzfs much.
18:11.51JeffM2501JBdiGriz, talk to brlcad, he had some ideas how he wanted it implemented
18:12.02JeffM2501not as a web service but a deamon service thing
18:12.32JBdiGrizThat's just the communication between bzfs and the database. You still need the database sharing.
18:12.34JeffM2501but any work on it is good, and I think everyone will be cool with it
18:12.46JeffM2501yeah, he was thinking of keeping our own database
18:12.48JeffM2501not dql
18:12.50JeffM2501sql
18:12.51JBdiGrizIf it all goes back to one machine, that machine will still be the bottleneck.
18:12.56JeffM2501then have a node that replicated to SQL
18:12.59JeffM2501for web use
18:13.36JBdiGrizHave a backend which replicates itself across several mysql servers. We can then have any type of access mechanism for getting to one of the servers.
18:13.57JeffM2501like i say, talk to him, I'm sure you 2 know a lot more then I
18:14.19JeffM2501I just want the bloddy thing to work
18:14.24JeffM2501and not be tied to phpbb
18:15.05JBdiGrizWe need someone who's willing to do the backend database work as well. It will go faster if it's done in parallel, rather than waiting for the 2 of us.
18:15.23JeffM2501indeed
18:15.29JeffM2501the aformentioned "web monkey"
18:15.30JeffM2501:)
18:15.39JBdiGriz:D
18:16.01JBdiGrizPerhaps a "sql squirrel"?
18:16.18JeffM2501so they can "get all up in there"
18:16.48JBdiGrizAJAX, we need to implement the whole thing with AJAX.
18:17.00JeffM2501why not that ruby on rails thing?
18:17.04a_meteoriteerr.. AJAX is a Javascript technology
18:17.06JeffM2501isn't that hot stuff now
18:17.28a_meteoriteyeah, it's pretty hot JeffM2501
18:17.34JBdiGrizI knew I could find a volunteer, just by saying AJAX.
18:17.40wegstarwebmonkey == blast007
18:17.48a_meteoritebut you thinking of migrating the boards to different software?
18:17.56JeffM2501no
18:18.08a_meteoriteah, just so it's not tied to phpbb
18:18.25JeffM2501yaeh
18:18.37JeffM2501no mater what fourm system we use, it will have to get it's users from the list system
18:18.49a_meteoriteyes
18:19.20JBdiGrizSplit the technologies, we need an authentication system which provides services to the list system and the forums.
18:19.38JeffM2501indeed
18:19.47JeffM2501and what ever else we want to hang off it later
18:19.53wegstarhmm
18:20.19JeffM2501it would be nice if there was a fourm system that allowed for custom auth modules
18:20.22JBdiGrizAnd make sure it runs on multiple servers at multiple sites with replication.
18:20.38bryjenbut that's a whole 'nother can-o-worms
18:20.53JeffM2501tupone did have it somewhat implemented
18:20.58JeffM2501tho it was funky
18:21.57JeffM2501just know that what ever you do don't have to be compatable with 2.0 on the bzflag front end, but it should be able to give user data to the 2.0 list server
18:22.06JeffM2501even if it's only a single server for 2.0
18:22.18JeffM2501I think that's the only requirement
18:24.03JBdiGrizThat means someone will have to create a gateway service for the 2.0 people. That sounds like another volunteer. It should be a fairly easy project for someone who wants to learn more.
18:25.19a_meteoriteso 2.0 would get second-class so to speak?
18:25.37a_meteoritewell, it makes sense since 2.2 is a protocol change :)
18:26.01wegstarinteresting...
18:26.26JeffM25012.0 would not pick up the distributed server aspect
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18:26.40JeffM2501it can't cus it only knows how to contact 1 server
18:26.48JeffM2501but it would have to be able to use the users from the new database
18:27.00a_meteoriteyeah, there's no room to change the way list servers work
18:27.03JeffM2501we can also send out more info to 2.2 servers
18:27.08JeffM2501like last ping from list, and stuff
18:27.24JeffM2501well we can change how the back end of the 2.0 server works
18:27.34JeffM2501it just has to send out a 2.0 compatable reply
18:27.51JeffM2501but only to 2.0 servers
18:27.56a_meteoritegotta get going to head home
18:27.59JeffM2501it can send out a totaly new thing to 2.2s
18:28.08a_meteoritewill probably be back at in an hour and a half
18:28.31a_meteoritesounds good to me for what my opinion is worth :)
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19:46.34brlcadhmm
19:46.39CIA-6BZFlag: 03lan56 * 10bzflag/Dev-C++/ (bzflag.dev bzfs.dev): add *Spawn.cxx files, PlayerAvatar.cxx (or whatever its called), and a few other things
19:47.02brlcadthe machine never went down, uptime is 100+ days
19:52.19JBdiGrizDid you check the httpd logs for the connections?
19:53.35ruskiehttp://zinx.xmms.org/misc/tmp/scammernic.jpg <-- LOL
19:54.04brlcadJBdiGriz: yeah, i've been going through them .. haven't seen anything suspicious yet
19:54.10brlcadwhen did it start?
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19:55.09brlcadahh, 1:30 on the nose.. hmmm
19:55.36SportyGal~sushi brlcad
19:55.40ibotACTION fishes madly all day long & brings the very best back, filets it carefully and serves brlcad the best, freshest sushi ever
19:55.59JBdiGrizI was going to guess somewhere before 2pm EDT.
19:56.03brlcadthat's a little too conveniently timed, sounds like something automatic kicked off if I would have guessed
19:56.49brlcadmenotume reset it at 2, there were 0 httpd requests logged between 1:30 and 1:58 when he reset it
19:56.53JBdiGrizYou saw JeffM2501's comments about "A LOT" of connections. What was that from?
19:57.29brlcadi think he was just talking about the cpu usage, httpd was running full-steam
19:58.01brlcadit's usually very high, lot of connections fwiw
19:58.16brlcadif he actually happened to check them via netstat or something
19:58.26JBdiGrizWe'll have to explain the difference between CPU usage and network connections to him. ;)
19:59.17JBdiGrizDid you configure httpd to kick off a separate process per connection?
20:00.35brlcadhmm.. two users had personal cron jobs run at exactly 1:30
20:01.42brlcadyes, it's configured with one per connection with roughly a few spares
20:03.25brlcadboth cron jobs are pretty benign
20:03.52JBdiGrizanything of note in syslog?
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20:08.51brlcadnada
20:09.39brlcadheh, 'less' just coredumped reading a massive file
20:10.05brlcadyeesh half a gig core file
20:14.39JBdiGrizIs that from less, or is that the file you were trying to read using less? ;)
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20:16.30JBdiGrizIt might have been a problem at the ISP. Are you running any monitor software?
20:20.02brlcadthe file has some single line that was larger than less could handle, internal less bug
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20:30.11JeffM2501brlcad, I did a netstat, and it listed hundreds of conections
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20:31.18brlcadJeffM2501: ah, good to know
20:31.36SkeeveHi! I just noticed, I have a screenshot directory in my bzflag folder! Where does it come from? Why is it there? How can I create the screenshots I found in ther?
20:31.36brlcadJeffM2501: noticed how many were actually ESTABLISHED?
20:31.41JeffM2501few
20:31.42brlcador were they all TIME_WAIT?
20:31.46JeffM2501many were
20:31.56brlcadTIME_WAIT is insignificant
20:32.00JeffM2501ok
20:32.15brlcadthere are regularly 100-200 in time_wait at peak usage
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20:33.37SkeeveDid anyone understand my question?
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20:34.07brlcadSkeeve: F5 takes screenshots, puts them there
20:34.32TannerHi all.
20:34.43SkeeveThanks, br L cad!
20:34.50Skeeve;-)
20:34.53SkeeveI learned it
20:35.27TannerJeff, do you have a moment?
20:35.32JeffM2501yeah
20:35.47brlcadheh
20:35.49JeffM2501brlcad, it took about 10 min to finish the netstat
20:36.11Skeeve;-) After all: I already used "your" account on my machine several times now with "screen"
20:37.20JBdiGrizThat indicates the machine was very busy. That would argue against a problem at the ISP.
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20:38.23brlcadi'm sure once apache stopped answering, the machine was inundated with connection requests.. that happens
20:38.39brlcadbut still haven't found any indication why apache would have done that other than a bug or something
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20:38.51spldartforums and list server off of same machine and same apache?
20:38.59brlcadit's not the first time apache's choked on us
20:39.14JeffM2501spldart, yes
20:39.17spldartic
20:39.33brlcadnot only off the same.. they ARE the same :)
20:39.34JeffM2501since there is only one user database
20:39.36DTRemenakthere were around 2,800 connections, not just "hundreds" :)
20:39.39JeffM2501they have to be the same
20:39.48JeffM2501DTRemenak, well I didn't count
20:39.50JeffM2501it was big
20:39.54JeffM25013.5 gigahitlers
20:39.57DTRemenakI told wc to count ;)
20:39.57brlcadDTRemenak: ahh, now that's interesting :)
20:39.58spldarthah
20:39.59JBdiGrizuntil we get a distributed authentication mechanism.
20:40.12SkeeveI don't like that "joke" 3.5 gigahitlers
20:40.20brlcadDTRemenak: did you catch where they were from, and what service?
20:40.27JBdiGrizDTRemenak: do you have a list of the connections?
20:40.28DTRemenakalmost all of them were irc. something
20:40.43JBdiGrizbrlcad types faster than I do.
20:40.50JeffM2501http://www.goats.com/archive/060808.html
20:41.39JBdiGrizDo you still have the list, and could you pastebin it somewhere?
20:41.46spldartlol
20:41.57brlcadDTRemenak: really??  that's odd
20:41.57DTRemenakI did not save the list...probably should have
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20:42.32DTRemenakyes, I thought so
20:42.47JBdiGrizI believe that was just the hostname of the machine. I doubt that it's meaningful.
20:42.47ToughShooterSkeeve: True, as many Germans don't like it..
20:42.51brlcadoh, also interesting, there was a massive transfer spikage around that time
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20:43.34spldartDoesn't offend my 1/4 german... ;-)
20:43.40JBdiGrizIt's surprising that there was nothing in the httpd access log.
20:43.43SkeeveToughShooter: Shall we count "Stupidness" in a new unit called "Bush"? ;-)
20:43.46brlcadhttp://bzflag.bz/tmp/net.png
20:43.56DTRemenakwow
20:43.58JeffM2501big spike
20:44.30brlcadnote that apache stopped responding at *exactly* 1:30, and was reset at 2:00
20:44.32ToughShooterSkeeve: nah, he'll be gone soon happily :)
20:45.03DTRemenakJBdiGriz: yes, they are just the hostnames...but there were around four different hostnames, each starting with irc., that showed up hundreds of times each
20:45.25blast007Skeeve: but if you did that, you'd have to use really small fractions for most things
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20:46.44JBdiGrizWas irc.yakimanka.net one of the hostnames?
20:46.53DTRemenakyeah
20:46.55JeffM2501I think so
20:48.35brlcadsince there was massive activity before apache siezed up, I'm going to pass this one off as a suspicious activity spike that probably provoked either an apache bug or massive load for now unless someone has any more ideas
20:48.44JBdiGrizHave we pissed off anyone in Russia?
20:48.55DTRemenakheh
20:49.01JeffM2501not since the late 80s
20:49.08brlcadwas apache absolutely unresponsive or just taking forevever, overloaded, etc?
20:49.26bryjenor is someone in russia running a cracked irc server :/
20:49.50ToughShootercracked server isn't that unrealistic
20:49.56DTRemenakI didn't get anything out of apache whatsoever.  Could be that it was absolutely overloaded.
20:50.06spldartFor average user it was unresponsive for a while
20:50.08DTRemenakor it could have been locked in a loop or something
20:50.09JBdiGrizIt's not responding to ident or smtp, so it's unlikely to be a server.
20:50.15brlcadsomeone might have used some vulnerability to make .bz act as an irc proxy
20:50.25brlcadvia apache
20:50.36DTRemenaksounds wonderful :S
20:51.32brlcadDTRemenak: did you happen to notice if the netstat's that said ircd were local address or foreign address?  and assuming they were foreign.. what was the local?  bz.#####?
20:51.47JBdiGrizThe netstats said https
20:51.48DTRemenakyes, bz.#####
20:53.40JBdiGrizbased on the comments from 10:59 PDT
20:54.20JBdiGriz[10:59] <JeffM2501>irc.yakimanka.ne.https
20:55.07JeffM2501sadly I don't have the terminal up anymore :(
20:55.14DTRemenakthey were almost all https (enough that I didn't notice anything else)
20:55.55DTRemenakmostly truncated too
20:56.03DTRemenakshould have expanded my terminal :)
20:56.09brlcadnetstat -W next time ;)
20:56.31brlcadi suspect it was just .net
20:57.15JBdiGrizHow about -Wn?  
20:57.15DTRemenakthere were other hostnames.  one was irc.s<something>..https
20:57.40DTRemenakshould have written it out into a file
20:59.36brlcadone odd thing, I can't get apachectl status to respond ..
21:01.07brlcadahh, could have something to do with 500 zombie httpds
21:01.48JBdiGrizIt sounds like Apache forgot to do some cleanup after itself. That still doesn't explain the traffic spike.
21:02.17DTRemenakzombies...get out your rocket launchers...
21:02.45JBdiGrizThese zombies won't eat your brain.
21:03.03brlcadtaking it down for a sec to see if I can clear it out
21:04.06JBdiGrizJust restarting Apache should clear it out. They will all be inherited by init.
21:04.41brlcadthat did the trick
21:04.42JBdiGrizThat's init's job.
21:05.13bryjenzombies using up CPU are eating the machine's brain ;)
21:05.16brlcadthere were several non-zombie httpd's that wouldn't die on apachectl stop
21:05.21JBdiGrizIt inherits zombies, and cleans up after all of the programmers who don't know how to clean up after themself.
21:05.48JBdiGrizThe zombies don't use CPU. They just clog up the process table and memory.
21:06.09brlcadi don't think these were using memory
21:06.22brlcadother than the minor tidbit the kernel needs to track them
21:06.42brlcadno way the machine could actually support that many real httpds still in memory
21:06.48bryjenleave my analogies alone!
21:07.13brlcadheh
21:08.12JBdiGrizAre those your analogies? Why don't you clean up after yourself, so init doesn't have to?
21:08.14spldartspilled beer!!! sluurrrrrp
21:09.01bryjenuhm, spldart, second-hand beer, ewwww
21:09.03spldartack... the floor tastes like a bar
21:11.28bryjenwas the beer leaking out of your hand?
21:11.46bryjenand if you're that full, it's time to stop :)
21:12.42JBdiGrizIt was leaking from wherever you were poking holes, and I'll decide when it's time to stop, thank you :D
21:13.42spldartBoo creapy code writer... hoooray beer!
21:14.07tokimiwho would possibly want to waist beer?
21:43.58menotumebrlcad: i only did a ps, there were a lot of httpd processes
21:47.40brlcadspldart: heh
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21:54.47spldartGod it's good to be back home and and tankingx2 again :)
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21:58.12SkeeveJeffM2501: I think I was too "BUSH"-y ;-) I can't figure out how to add a sub menu for Joystick. I'll stick to what I've done yesterday
21:58.28JeffM2501Skeeve, ok
21:58.34JeffM2501what ever floats your boat
21:58.53JeffM2501the menu system isn't realy intutive so it's not a bad thing that you can't see how to add one
21:59.02JeffM2501I JUST figured out how like 3 days ago :)
21:59.11SkeeveIndeed.
21:59.23SkeeveAdding new options wasn't so difficult
21:59.41SkeeveAdding new submenus... Not if you don't know much about C++
21:59.53JeffM2501you have to make a new menu panel class
21:59.56JeffM2501and push it to the stack
22:00.02JeffM2501it helps to look at the higher level menus
22:00.13JeffM2501like the join menu, and see how it opens the server list sub menu
22:00.26SkeeveClasses... Argh... Hey! When I learned programming, there was no stupid OO ;-)
22:00.52Skeeve"Quiche Eaters" C++ programmers are all Quiche Eaters
22:01.11JeffM2501classes are the future
22:01.25SkeeveA real programmer does not need no stinking Classes!
22:01.27Skeeve;-)
22:01.30SkeeveJust kidding
22:01.55SkeeveClasses are the future for more than 10 years now
22:02.12JeffM2501need, no
22:02.20JeffM2501real programers dont' need languages
22:02.28JeffM2501they do it with the cpu instructions
22:02.34JeffM2501classes make a lot of stuff easy tho :)
22:02.37SkeeveThey hammer the code bitwise
22:02.50SkeeveIf you understand them: YES
22:03.45JBdiGrizIf you understand classes, the compiler will then modify them into something even more incomprehensible. Some people believe this has already happened.
22:03.56ToughShooterJeffM2501: In my undestanding the ISA is also a language :/
22:04.38ToughShooteror rather it defines what language has to be used to communicate directly
22:06.14JeffM2501ISA?
22:06.18SkeeveMy main problem is: I partly don't understand the syntax. be it Java or C++
22:06.29SkeeveWhat does (e.g.) this mean InputMenu::InputMenu() : keyboardMapMenu(NULL)
22:06.29JeffM2501you shoudl do more C++ tutorials
22:06.32JeffM2501the syntax is easy
22:06.48SkeeveMy Master Thesis(?) was writen in C++
22:06.55ToughShooterInstruction Set Architecture
22:07.05JeffM2501then why would you not know the syntax?
22:07.06SkeeveBut no: I didn't understand much of C++. At work Java is needed
22:07.19JeffM2501wow, you can do a thesis in a language you don't know
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22:07.37SkeeveIt's 12 years ago no with no need for C++ since than
22:07.41Skeeve-than+then
22:07.45JBdiGrizObviously JeffM2501 hasn't done a thesis. :)
22:07.59JeffM2501nope
22:08.05JeffM2501never finished college
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22:08.23spldartMe neither :(
22:08.26SkeeveYes. I could. It wasn't all that complicated and merely looked like C ;-)
22:08.59JBdiGrizEven you could do a thesis in a language you don't know. You just have to convince the panel that you do understand what you're talking about.
22:09.10JeffM2501heh
22:09.13JeffM2501BS rules
22:09.25JBdiGrizif that surprises you ....
22:09.36JeffM2501not realy
22:10.18JBdiGrizPerhaps you should go back to college, and get your own BS.
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22:10.36ToughShooterBS?
22:10.45SkeeveBS?
22:10.52SkeeveBachelor of Science?
22:11.04a_meteoriteBS?
22:11.10a_meteoriteI'm thinking the other BS. :)
22:11.11blast007SB?
22:11.11JBdiGrizIt's a degree that's conferred by most colleges. :)
22:11.26ToughShooterHmm, Bachelor is not very good
22:12.39SkeeveI don't know what my "Diplom Informatiker" is in english. Mybe "graduate computer scientist"
22:13.04JBdiGrizInformation Science?
22:13.09ToughShooterSomething like diploma for computer science
22:13.31ToughShooterThat's better than a master :)
22:13.33Skeeve"Informatik" is the german term for "Computer Science"
22:14.40ToughShooterThat's what I want to be
22:15.04SkeeveYou're a student, TS?
22:15.14ToughShooteryupp
22:15.23Skeevein DE
22:15.44ToughShooterpretty obvious, isn't it
22:15.44JBdiGrizThe average age of bzflag players seems to be 14-16.
22:16.09SkeeveWhere do ypu study?
22:16.16Birdiethe average age is higher than that
22:16.28ToughShooterSkeeve: Near DE-CIX :)
22:16.54JBdiGrizIn here, the average age is higher, but most of the respondents to a poll in the forums were in that category.
22:17.51SkeeveWhat's DE-CIX? The "neutral and independent Internet Exchange"?
22:18.58ToughShooterSkeeve: Use google
22:19.26SkeeveI used google
22:20.14SkeeveFrankfurt
22:23.33ToughShooterWhere are you?
22:24.15SkeeveNear Aix-la-Chapelle
22:24.20SkeeveI studied in KO
22:24.43ToughShooterJe ne parle pas Francais :(
22:24.53SkeeveMe neither
22:25.01SkeeveUse goolge ;-)
22:25.05Skeevegoogle
22:25.08SkeeveMENNO
22:25.18SkeeveAh! Right google google google
22:25.22Skeeve;-)
22:25.53ToughShooterHeh, I wondered because it sounded so french
22:26.08SkeeveI know... That's why I always use it
22:26.17ToughShooterI forgot all my french lessons, I only remember spanish and english :/
22:26.59SkeeveNever hlearned any other language than english. Okay... Scholl lessons in latin... Forget it ;-)
22:27.41ToughShooterI better go to bed, wanted to get up 8 AM today :/ gnight
22:27.51SkeeveGood night
22:27.59SkeeveI will have to get aup at 8 too
22:27.59Birdiele francais est une langue jolie
22:28.06SkeeveMy son won't let me sleep any lonmger
22:28.08Skeeve-m
22:28.24SkeeveMybe, birdie, maybe
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22:43.25spldartdarn those sunsets and the fact they throw alot of emi into the open end of my can-tannae
22:45.44Minkushi all
22:45.52Minkusare there any devs around at the moment?
22:46.11Minkuswho might be able to help me with a particular bug i'm facing in bzflag?
22:46.47SkeeveIs it the UNC Path bug?
22:46.51Minkusyep :)
22:46.51JeffM2501what bug?
22:46.55JeffM2501ahh
22:47.02JeffM2501yeah we added a feature that lets you do a local config dir
22:47.05Skeevethe one you discussed yesterday, Jeff
22:47.07JeffM2501to get around that
22:47.13Minkusah right
22:47.16Minkushow do u use it?
22:47.24JeffM2501add -configdir some\local\path to your shortcut
22:47.33JeffM2501then it'll use that path insidead
22:47.37Minkusgreat
22:47.54Minkusis that in 2.0.8?
22:47.59JeffM2501the bug is still open in hopes that we unify all our file access into a common place that we can make call the rights tuff
22:47.59JeffM2501yeah
22:48.21Minkushold on i'll give it a try
22:49.08JeffM2501some people also use it to have shortcuts for difrent configs/settings
22:55.15Minkusok so i'm trying
22:55.21Minkus"C:\Program Files\BZFlag2.0.8\bzflag.exe" -window -geometry 800x600 -configdir \\christopherhill\shareddocs\mydocu~1
22:55.31JeffM2501no no
22:55.34Minkus\\christopherhill\shareddocs\mydocu~1 is a valid path
22:55.34JeffM2501not the net path
22:55.38JeffM2501use a local path
22:55.45JeffM2501we don't like the \\ paths
22:55.58JeffM2501the config dir dosn't HAVE to be in your my docs
22:55.59Minkusattempting to join bzfx.net
22:56.24MinkusWorld cache files disappeared. Join canceled.
22:56.32JeffM2501yeah it will NOT work with a net path
22:56.34JeffM2501use a local path
22:56.38Minkusany ideas?
22:56.41JeffM2501YES
22:56.44JeffM2501please READ
22:56.50SkeeveMinkus! Read between typing
22:56.52JeffM2501all the things I just said
22:57.01JeffM2501use a local path
22:57.07JeffM2501not a \\ path
22:57.10Minkusoic
22:57.23JeffM2501like c:\bzflag\crap
22:57.31Minkusso not possible to use a UNC path at all
22:57.34JeffM2501not at this time
22:57.38JeffM2501we have some bad logic
22:57.43JeffM2501and need to clean up all our file useage
22:57.47JeffM2501that's why the bug is still open
22:57.53Minkusright, sorry
22:57.59JeffM2501we added the command line thing as a workaround
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22:59.42Minkusam i right in thinking that configdir doesn't support long file names either?
22:59.49Minkuseven with quotes?
23:00.07JeffM2501it should if you put it in quotes
23:00.07JeffM2501but I don't remember
23:00.21JeffM2501it's realyjust spaces that may jack it
23:00.26JeffM2501so a no space path is safest
23:00.38Minkusgah
23:00.44Minkuscan't get it to work even with quotes
23:00.55Minkusthe problem is that i'm trying to get it to work on some really locked down computers
23:01.07JeffM2501you have any paths you can get to?
23:01.12Minkuswhich means the only writeable places are the user's network home drive (UNC path)
23:01.19JeffM2501then we arn't gonna work
23:01.23Minkusor %userprofile% which of course is C:\Documents and Settings
23:01.32JeffM2501can you map it as a drive?
23:01.40SkeeveJeff: What about the drive mapping you talked about?
23:01.42JeffM2501and shoudl you be playing games at work ;)
23:01.46Skeevetada... too late
23:01.48Minkus:) it's a school
23:01.51JeffM2501or school
23:02.01Minkuswe're putting a bit of fun on the network for students during lunchtime
23:02.06Birdiewhat else do you have to do at school
23:02.13JeffM2501drink beer
23:02.15SkeeveYou're a teacher?
23:02.20Minkusnope, an it technician
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23:02.33Minkusmy job to keep it all running
23:02.34Birdiethe beer part happens more than enough:)
23:02.48JeffM2501the system temp dir isn't writeable?
23:03.14SkeeveCould you use a memory stick? So that the kids that want to play have to bring one along?
23:03.19Minkusummm... yep although would rather not put it there for obvious reasons!
23:03.26Minkusi can use a mapped network drive actually
23:03.31SkeeveOr a floppy disc (do people still know what a floppy disc is?)
23:03.32Minkusthat should be ok
23:03.36JeffM2501maped drives should be fine
23:03.49MinkusSkeeve: No floppy drives on our machines any more :)
23:03.54JeffM2501Skeeve, I doubt the config dir will fit on a floppy
23:04.07Minkusapart from USB ones that we give out only under duress!
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23:04.41Minkusthat sounds like the solution for the moment
23:05.01Minkusif you get the change to fix the unc stuff (and long file names for the configdir) that would be great
23:05.09Minkusbut at least we can get it working for the moment
23:05.17Minkuss/change/chance/g :)
23:05.17JeffM2501unc will not be simple for us to fix
23:05.22JeffM2501and it's not the way MS recomends doing it
23:05.26Skeevels -altr
23:05.27JeffM2501so I don't know when it will get done
23:05.37JeffM2501I can do the quotes tho
23:05.42Minkusi did look at the unc code myself
23:05.44JeffM2501it does support long file names
23:05.45SkeeveOkay... 11MB zipped in my case
23:05.52JeffM2501it just dosn't strip the quootes
23:05.55Minkusic
23:06.15Minkusit looked like a problem with stat() to me
23:06.29Minkusdoesn't like stat-ing \\server or \\server\share
23:06.39SkeeveJeff! May I ask again how to generate a useable diff?
23:06.49Skeeveit was make distclean
23:06.58Skeeveand then a diff with which options?
23:07.14JeffM2501install windows, install toroice CVS, right click, make diff
23:07.24Skeeve:-P
23:07.29JeffM2501that's how I do it
23:07.31JeffM2501man cvs
23:08.04SkeeveI know how to make a diff. I just don't remember the options YOU need to import the resulting files
23:08.33JeffM2501Minkus, yeah there are a bunch of places int he code we read/write to the dir, we'd have to consoldate them to all call the proper MS call that works with UNC
23:08.51JeffM2501Skeeve, I don't use command line
23:08.56JeffM2501and I don't make patches
23:08.58JeffM2501so I don't know
23:09.13SkeeveSo why didn't you tell in the first place?
23:09.25JeffM2501I told you what I know
23:09.26SkeeveSometimes I don't understand american jokes
23:09.36SkeeveI'm just a stupid german, don't forget that.
23:09.42SkeeveI'm from OLD EUROPE!
23:09.46JeffM2501sometimes I don't understand why everyone thinks I know everything about the project
23:10.05SkeeveBecause you give the impression of being a genius
23:10.12JeffM2501no, you just assume that
23:10.21JeffM2501I never said I know everything
23:10.28SkeeveYou never did
23:10.40SkeeveBut one gets the impression because you know so much
23:10.56JeffM2501I know little of linux and command line stuff
23:11.03SkeeveMe too
23:11.06SkeeveI use Mac
23:11.16SkeeveAnd Solaris sometimes
23:11.17JeffM2501you use linux like commands in your terminal
23:11.22SkeeveAnd Irix too seldom
23:11.24JeffM2501so mac is more like nix then windows is
23:11.55JeffM2501your mac sould still have man
23:11.57SkeeveI should reanimate my old SGI Indy
23:12.16JeffM2501there is also some good info on the net that I can see
23:12.30SkeeveI'm just searching
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23:15.15MinkusJeff/Skeeve: Thanks for your help. gtg now
23:15.19CIA-6BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/game/DirectoryNames.cxx: strip any quotes off of the custom config dir when we set it.
23:15.36Minkus:) and thanks for sorting that
23:16.31Skeevediff -r -u orig patched
23:20.31SkeeveJeffM2501: I have one more question which you might be able to answer - better - decide
23:21.22SkeeveCurrently in the Joystick menu it's named "X-Axis" and "Y-Axis" Shouldn't we name it "Rotation" and "Driving" or something similar?
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23:30.48CIA-6BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/game/DirectoryNames.cxx: strip any quotes off of the custom config dir when we set it, the cool new way.
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23:33.15Skeevelooks funny... http://my.bzflag.org/bb/download.php?id=5083
23:33.43Skeevehttp://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=8730
23:36.12JeffM2501gotta love crap drivers
23:36.19bryjenperhaps his intel integrated video isn't as capable as he thinks
23:37.30bryjeni wonder how old "older bzflag" was
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23:40.31JeffM2501possible
23:40.39JeffM2501but at the lower quailitys we don't realy draw more then we used to
23:40.48JeffM2501so it should at least draw a full freaking quad ;)
23:41.13JeffM2501I'll bet his old intel drivers got blown out with DRI during the upgrade
23:53.16CBGWill tele-links work if I use teleporters in a group def? Or do I have to put the teleporters separate, outside the group def?
23:55.45trepan~bzw
23:55.47iboti heard bzw is http://my.bzflag.org/bzfman.cgi?bzw.5s
23:56.10trepanread the NOTE
23:56.20trepan(for links)
23:56.42CBG"# NOTE: bzfs -d -d -d -d will print the linkage table." ?
23:58.16CBGSo, I just have to go try it...?

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