| 00:06.50 | CBG | I have a really odd problem with using tint on a group which contains meshpyrs... |
| 00:07.11 | CBG | I have defind a group, it has mesbhboxes and meshpyrs. |
| 00:07.26 | CBG | I call it 4 times, give each the tint of a team color, red, blue, green, purple. |
| 00:08.09 | CBG | In the red group, the pyramids are a dark brown color, with the green group the pyras look green like the meshboxes. In the blue group, they look blue like the boxes. In the purple group the mesh pyrs are blue. |
| 00:08.49 | CBG | Any ideas why this is and what I can do about it? |
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| 00:13.59 | JeffM2501 | what texture do you apply? |
| 00:14.17 | CBG | None. I just use tint. |
| 00:17.23 | JeffM2501 | it kinda sounds like it's modulating it with some texture |
| 00:17.35 | JeffM2501 | or you got the order of colors wrong |
| 00:17.44 | JeffM2501 | if you dont' do it in groups are the colors right? |
| 00:17.59 | CBG | I haven't tried... |
| 00:18.06 | CBG | But the meshboxes are all the right color. |
| 00:18.21 | CBG | in the purple and red groups, the pyras are DIFFERENT colors to the boxes :/ |
| 00:18.44 | JeffM2501 | wierd |
| 00:19.53 | CBG | yeah. :| |
| 00:22.00 | JeffM2501 | well I'd test sans groups |
| 00:22.09 | JeffM2501 | if that works, then you know it's a group bug/problem |
| 00:23.08 | CBG | tsk... ok. |
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| 00:24.55 | JeffM2501 | are there any other material params in the group? |
| 00:25.24 | JeffM2501 | not a very good troll if you announce it |
| 00:25.34 | SilverFox | touche. |
| 00:26.19 | a_meteorite | >troll SilverFox |
| 00:26.25 | a_meteorite | ~troll SilverFox |
| 00:26.26 | ibot | ACTION hereby declares SilverFox a troll |
| 00:26.38 | a_meteorite | there. it's official. :) |
| 00:26.48 | SilverFox | Once upon a time aclocal was necessary to configure/make bzflag, is that still the case? |
| 00:26.48 | nick125_lappy | lol |
| 00:27.45 | nick125_lappy | I think aclocal is required... |
| 00:28.15 | JeffM2501 | if config needs it, and you don't have it, it'll complain |
| 00:28.36 | nick125_lappy | yup |
| 00:30.32 | SilverFox | when I run aclocal, it gripes about SDL files missing. |
| 00:30.40 | nick125_lappy | do you have SDL installed? |
| 00:31.23 | SilverFox | no. |
| 00:31.31 | SilverFox | I thought I didn't have to compile w/SDL. |
| 00:31.46 | nick125_lappy | bzflag needs SDL, unless you are just compiling the server |
| 00:31.52 | SilverFox | bummer. |
| 00:31.59 | nick125_lappy | what distro? |
| 00:32.03 | SilverFox | I'm compiling a headless client. |
| 00:32.05 | SilverFox | Freebsd. |
| 00:32.18 | nick125_lappy | is this going to be a server? or..? |
| 00:32.28 | SilverFox | I'm going to use both bzfs and bzflag. |
| 00:32.39 | SilverFox | the client is headless though (no display) |
| 00:32.49 | nick125_lappy | then, how would you use bzflag? |
| 00:32.50 | SilverFox | I'll put sdl on there. *sigh* |
| 00:32.59 | SilverFox | via text input. |
| 00:33.09 | SilverFox | it'd be used as a robot. |
| 00:33.17 | nick125_lappy | would bzadmin work or such? |
| 00:33.28 | SilverFox | no, this client will actually play. |
| 00:33.33 | nick125_lappy | ooo |
| 00:33.37 | SilverFox | just no graphical display. |
| 00:37.36 | SilverFox | http://bzrc.cs.byu.edu/internals/bzrc.tar.gz |
| 00:37.38 | SilverFox | oops. |
| 00:37.42 | SilverFox | aclocal:configure.ac:620: warning: macro `AM_PATH_SDL' not found in library |
| 00:37.57 | SilverFox | bleh. |
| 00:38.26 | SilverFox | X11 and a plethora of other dependants to install SDL. |
| 00:38.37 | SilverFox | dependents even. |
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| 00:57.10 | spldart | Did silvercat server die?? |
| 00:57.47 | spldart | Awesome game goin and server disconnected.. thought it was changing maps but it's not in list :( |
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| 01:18.09 | Cybodog | is silvercat down? |
| 01:18.11 | nick125_lappy | anyone here have a guide on making bzflag maps? |
| 01:18.36 | nick125_lappy | Cybodog: I think it is.. |
| 01:18.40 | nick125_lappy | spldart was just saying it was |
| 01:18.46 | Cybodog | ty |
| 01:19.19 | spldart | {/n hehehe} |
| 01:19.36 | a_meteorite | :{ |
| 01:19.39 | spldart | It finished a round of Dutchrai's map and died |
| 01:19.49 | CBG | nick125_lappy: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=8739 |
| 01:19.50 | Cybodog | anyword on anybody rehosting secret place? |
| 01:19.55 | spldart | I assumed it was goin to babylon next |
| 01:19.58 | a_meteorite | spldart: you crashed it :o |
| 01:20.04 | a_meteorite | Cybodog: I will |
| 01:20.05 | spldart | me or my brother |
| 01:20.12 | spldart | booch was on it too |
| 01:20.14 | spldart | LOL |
| 01:20.27 | a_meteorite | just give me the stuff I need :P |
| 01:20.33 | a_meteorite | I got a really fast host |
| 01:20.36 | nick125_lappy | CBG: TY! :) |
| 01:20.36 | Cybodog | pffft |
| 01:20.55 | nick125_lappy | I just got a great idea for a map |
| 01:21.01 | a_meteorite | um, secretplace is still up |
| 01:21.13 | a_meteorite | bzflag.secretplace.us:5355 |
| 01:21.20 | Cybodog | it is? I tought it crashed and burned months ago? |
| 01:21.24 | nick125_lappy | yeah, it shows up here |
| 01:21.28 | nick125_lappy | in lists least |
| 01:21.35 | a_meteorite | just no one plays it |
| 01:21.39 | Cybodog | brb, I will take a look. |
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| 01:25.18 | Cybodog | I am not finding secretplace |
| 01:25.28 | nick125_lappy | I found it |
| 01:26.34 | Cybodog | I cant even get to it if I put in the address: server not found |
| 01:27.46 | Cybodog | ok, so call me stupid, I found it |
| 01:27.53 | Cybodog | thanks. |
| 01:27.54 | nick125_lappy | lol |
| 01:28.17 | Cybodog | btw, go by the handle of reddog, in case you killed me a time or two. |
| 01:28.25 | Cybodog | ty CBG |
| 01:28.49 | CBG | your welcome ;) |
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| 01:30.31 | I_Died_Once | Viper's Two Castles just crashed |
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| 01:35.06 | plasma_kaz | ~wake brad|away |
| 01:35.12 | ibot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on brad|away and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 01:35.19 | CBG | he's on holiday, plasma_kaz ... |
| 01:35.29 | spldart | Day of the crashed bzfs's |
| 01:35.33 | plasma_kaz | i know, was worth a try though :P |
| 01:35.36 | plasma_kaz | yeah really.. |
| 01:35.43 | plasma_kaz | brad's gu server just crashed |
| 01:36.08 | spldart | woah |
| 01:36.55 | nick125_lappy | ek |
| 01:42.55 | spldart | not bzfs crash.. compy crash |
| 01:43.01 | spldart | or connection |
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| 01:45.28 | spldart | switching to linux :) |
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| 01:46.10 | nick125_lappy | wow, that was fast |
| 01:46.26 | CBG | :o |
| 01:47.02 | spldart | hehe... well |
| 01:47.28 | nick125_lappy | and why isn't sound working! gr |
| 01:47.35 | nick125_lappy | oh, there we go! |
| 01:47.37 | spldart | shutting down huge liquid cooled dually I was doing video editing/encoding on and staqrting xchat on server for the night |
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| 01:51.22 | nick125_lappy | liquid cooled dually :( |
| 01:51.28 | nick125_lappy | I'm jealous |
| 01:54.07 | spldart | It's mixed deal... Dual processors cranking on coolant with enourmous sata raid but on the other hand it's a pain to set up and if something goes wrong... whew |
| 01:59.37 | nick125_lappy | aah |
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| 02:07.40 | spldart | ah... much better :) |
| 02:09.30 | wegstar | lol |
| 02:10.20 | spldart | messages are spawns... chat announcements are explosions.... admin actions are flag pickup's and drops etc etc |
| 02:10.47 | DTRemenak | what's kick? :) |
| 02:11.03 | spldart | Nadda... should I set something :squint: |
| 02:11.16 | DTRemenak | that's what I would have set explosion to |
| 02:11.21 | spldart | hehe |
| 02:11.40 | spldart | I may change that... but kicks and bans don't happen much |
| 02:12.07 | wegstar | how about mentions of spldart :P |
| 02:12.20 | spldart | so what should important notifies and my name be? |
| 02:12.25 | wegstar | hmm |
| 02:12.27 | spldart | spldart is double pop.wav |
| 02:12.52 | spldart | IB I have to turn my speakers down cuz people play with my waves ;-) |
| 02:14.31 | spldart | kick is flag_alert.wav |
| 02:14.33 | nick125_lappy | haha |
| 02:14.55 | nick125_lappy | goddamn, i'm going to go postal on speakeasy |
| 02:15.03 | spldart | 8-0 |
| 02:15.48 | nick125_lappy | "all support inquiries are responded to in 24 hours; 90% in an hour!" |
| 02:16.08 | nick125_lappy | I've had tickets take 23 days to get a response on |
| 02:17.16 | spldart | {/rant}??? |
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| 02:17.29 | nick125_lappy | what's that? thats not XML...:) |
| 02:18.12 | spldart | LOL |
| 02:20.58 | nick125_lappy | my bzflag game is sucking because they won't fix the latency spikes :( |
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| 03:34.17 | orange | hehehe |
| 03:39.22 | orange | it's not me |
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| 03:59.10 | nick125_lappy | ugh |
| 03:59.15 | nick125_lappy | I'm sucking at bzflag tonight |
| 04:07.42 | nick125_lappy | anyone here use bzfed? |
| 04:13.28 | nick125_lappy | I can't figure out how to use it -_- |
| 04:32.22 | nick125_lappy | okay, screw this, I'm gonna do it by scratch |
| 04:38.03 | nick125_lappy | grrr |
| 04:38.12 | nick125_lappy | bzflag keeps segfaulting! |
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| 04:40.46 | nick125_lappy | and, it locks up in gdb! |
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| 04:43.23 | nick125_lappy | looks like I'm hitting the curl 7.15.4 bug |
| 04:46.03 | nick125_lappy | yup, its the 7.15.4 bug |
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| 05:01.25 | nick125_lappy | so, I guess that guy was right...bzflag *IS* a flight simulator! (there was a guy that joined bzflag on bzfx that thought bzflag was a flight simulator because you jumped) |
| 05:03.45 | wegstar | heh |
| 05:09.35 | nick125_lappy | in bzflag map making, what scale is used for rotation? |
| 05:12.35 | Rawk | I am trying to make a plugin, I get an error on this line: if ( captureData->teamCapping == bz_eTeamType eRedTeam ) - I don't think it likes "bz_eTeamType eRedTeam" anyone know the right way to do it? |
| 05:13.50 | Rawk | anyone around? |
| 05:15.16 | JeffM2501 | yeah learn C :) |
| 05:15.24 | JeffM2501 | you don't put the enum in the == |
| 05:16.02 | nick125_lappy | ugh, I wish I could figure this out |
| 05:17.18 | Rawk | I'm a bit of a n00b it C, how should I do it then? just eRedTeam? |
| 05:17.28 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 05:17.30 | Rawk | *at |
| 05:17.34 | JeffM2501 | learn C first |
| 05:18.19 | Rawk | thanks, it worked now |
| 05:19.05 | JeffM2501 | it realy helps to at least do all the C++ tutorials before you do a plugin |
| 05:19.08 | JeffM2501 | plugins are not the best way |
| 05:21.03 | lan56 | nick125_lappy, degrees IIRC |
| 05:21.25 | JeffM2501 | no angles in bz are radians |
| 05:21.50 | JeffM2501 | anymore |
| 05:22.03 | wegstar | lan56: have you managed to created bzfs.a yet? :D |
| 05:22.10 | lan56 | no |
| 05:22.13 | lan56 | :( |
| 05:22.13 | wegstar | s/created/create |
| 05:22.18 | lan56 | I haven't even tried |
| 05:22.24 | lan56 | well I did a while ago |
| 05:22.27 | wegstar | I got somewhere close.. but it was around 10 MB.. |
| 05:22.38 | lan56 | 10 mb == something went wrong |
| 05:23.01 | Rawk | JeffM2501: what "C++ tutorials"? (I have some learned C++) |
| 05:23.15 | JeffM2501 | Rawk, google |
| 05:23.17 | wegstar | !google C++ tutorial |
| 05:23.22 | wegstar | ~google C++ tutorial |
| 05:23.28 | wegstar | erg.. |
| 05:23.40 | JeffM2501 | use a browser man |
| 05:23.47 | lan56 | http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=c%2b%2b+tutorials |
| 05:24.00 | lan56 | I typed that myself, memorized the search url format, thank you very much :) |
| 05:24.20 | wegstar | :P |
| 05:24.25 | JeffM2501 | so realy you just remembered search? |
| 05:24.26 | JeffM2501 | ;) |
| 05:24.57 | lan56 | hey it saves a whole 3 seconds from having to go to yahoo.com and typing a query in to the box! :) |
| 05:25.16 | JeffM2501 | umm yeah |
| 05:27.12 | Rawk | I have done C++ tut's, I just didn't realize that thing about enums (bit slow today ;-) ) |
| 05:27.27 | JeffM2501 | that's a core C thing |
| 05:27.37 | JeffM2501 | just looking at a tutorial is not "doing" them |
| 05:28.01 | PuMpErNiCkLe | ...unless you actually use what you're looking at. |
| 05:29.18 | wegstar | lan56: I should attempt at creating bzfs.a, I think I got the problem... if my laptop had not spontaneously combusted a few days ago... |
| 05:31.13 | [NP]Tangent | wegstar, you had a laptop spontaneously combust? |
| 05:31.22 | wegstar | yeah.. it was scary |
| 05:31.28 | [NP]Tangent | Dell laptop? |
| 05:31.39 | wegstar | nope.. some nondescript Taiwanese brand.. |
| 05:31.43 | [NP]Tangent | ah |
| 05:31.53 | [NP]Tangent | yeah, Dell keeps saying my battery is good |
| 05:31.58 | [NP]Tangent | I just don't believe them though |
| 05:32.05 | Rawk | JeffM2501: yea, It's like trying to instantiate an object within an if - isn't it? |
| 05:32.11 | [NP]Tangent | being that their solution for every problem I ever have is "reboot" |
| 05:32.22 | wegstar | heh |
| 05:32.31 | JeffM2501 | Rawk, no |
| 05:32.36 | JeffM2501 | it's just a syntax error |
| 05:32.40 | lan56 | wegstar, k cool, tell me if you get it going I'd be very interested |
| 05:32.43 | JeffM2501 | it's just WRONG |
| 05:33.19 | nick125_lappy | whats a reasonable size teleporter? |
| 05:33.57 | Rawk | JeffM2501, so you can with an object but not an enum? |
| 05:34.28 | wegstar | well, the wires between the screen and the body was wearing off, and I always got a blinky display... So a few days ago, I was routinely swinging the screen around to make it work, when a lot of smoke started emitting and the plastic started actually burning.. |
| 05:34.32 | JeffM2501 | it wouldn't look like that |
| 05:34.41 | JeffM2501 | it woudl be a constructor |
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| 05:34.46 | JeffM2501 | not a varialb |
| 05:35.07 | wegstar | I was stupid at that time, and I held the power button... |
| 05:35.07 | Rawk | ok |
| 05:35.20 | nick125_lappy | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:35.26 | nick125_lappy | doesn't work for a teleporter :/ |
| 05:36.13 | wegstar | In the end, I ripped off the battery and blew out the flame.. |
| 05:41.03 | wegstar | lan56: from my experience (I'm not testing it right now) I had just simply "ar"red object files that seemed to relate to plugins.. but it turned out that it required something else or there would be a linker error, so I keep going until I realize that I need everything in the folder.. and it still does not work.. |
| 05:41.52 | wegstar | with 1 problem... bzaipstring... |
| 05:42.02 | wegstar | bzapistring* |
| 05:42.51 | wegstar | it has some windowsy dll export crap in front of it.. and I think that is what's causing the problem.. |
| 05:44.22 | JeffM2501 | it should be #defed outto nothing |
| 05:44.40 | wegstar | maybe |
| 05:45.03 | JeffM2501 | it is for non windows |
| 05:45.17 | JeffM2501 | cus linux ignores |
| 05:45.37 | JeffM2501 | now it may not be right for devC++ |
| 05:45.48 | JeffM2501 | since it's a linux like build on windows |
| 05:45.58 | JeffM2501 | but if it's going to build a real windows DLL it WILL need the exports |
| 05:46.15 | JeffM2501 | if it's building a linux style .so then it should not need a .a lib |
| 05:46.56 | wegstar | in my other dll stuff with mingw I just prepend stuff with `extern "C" ` |
| 05:47.15 | JeffM2501 | sounds like that's how it exports then |
| 05:47.25 | wegstar | oh |
| 05:47.41 | JeffM2501 | just put in a mingw clause in the #def for it, and make it do the dll export def as your extern |
| 05:47.57 | JeffM2501 | instead of the declspec |
| 05:48.21 | wegstar | hmmm |
| 05:48.36 | wegstar | darn.. laptop is in for repairs.. can't do anything :( |
| 05:48.40 | JeffM2501 | can mingw generate an export lib? |
| 05:49.06 | wegstar | export lib? |
| 05:49.21 | JeffM2501 | it would be what the pluigin dlls link to |
| 05:49.28 | JeffM2501 | with vc it's the bzfs.lib |
| 05:49.41 | Rawk | I'm making a plugin at the moment called tournamentMode anyone like the idea? |
| 05:49.42 | JeffM2501 | it contains just the offsets for the functions in bz |
| 05:49.55 | wegstar | well.. it just generates a normal static lib.. so I guess not.. |
| 05:49.56 | JeffM2501 | Rawk, what idea, all you said was the name |
| 05:50.17 | JeffM2501 | wegstar, that won't work, cus then the dlls won't link to the running exe, they will have a copy of the code, that's not waht you want |
| 05:50.26 | wegstar | hmm |
| 05:50.39 | JeffM2501 | the vc export lib is very small |
| 05:50.42 | JeffM2501 | it has no code |
| 05:50.45 | wegstar | o |
| 05:50.46 | JeffM2501 | just function offsets |
| 05:52.07 | wegstar | I haven't touched any plugins for some time.. but IIRC isn't there a function bzfs calls inside the dll to create the class? |
| 05:52.20 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 05:52.33 | JeffM2501 | that's why you need the EXPORT lib |
| 05:52.36 | JeffM2501 | not a static lib |
| 05:52.45 | JeffM2501 | so that bzfs can allocate memory for the plugin |
| 05:52.59 | wegstar | maybe I don't need a lib at all then..? :/ |
| 05:53.00 | JeffM2501 | on windows a dll can't allocate memory that bzfs has to free |
| 05:53.11 | JeffM2501 | linux style SOs don't |
| 05:53.15 | JeffM2501 | as they link at run time |
| 05:53.28 | JeffM2501 | if you are making a REAL windows dll then you need an export lib |
| 05:53.40 | JeffM2501 | any dll that links a static lib just puts a copy of the code in tiself |
| 05:53.45 | wegstar | wait.. yeah.. I'll need one.. |
| 05:54.25 | JeffM2501 | but if your export lib dosn't have the same ofsets and stuff then your mingw dlls won't be able to work with the release builds |
| 05:54.32 | nick125_lappy | hrm |
| 05:54.38 | JeffM2501 | it realy is best to just use VC 8 EE |
| 05:54.49 | nick125_lappy | is there a way to put two specific flags in a zone? |
| 05:54.53 | wegstar | hmm.. darn |
| 05:55.29 | Rawk | The idea is to have a CTF tournament, in which after a set number of rounds (caps), the team that gets to that num. of rounds first wins the tournament |
| 05:55.33 | JeffM2501 | now you may be able to get devC++ to use the export lib we provide |
| 05:55.48 | JeffM2501 | and then it would link to bzfs at runtime |
| 05:56.02 | wegstar | hmm |
| 05:56.07 | nick125_lappy | I want a genocide flag and a guided missile flag to be inside the zone (one of each) |
| 05:56.14 | JeffM2501 | but realy vc ee is the simplest |
| 05:56.51 | Rawk | ....then everybody dies and it's a new tournament :-) |
| 05:57.25 | JeffM2501 | Rawk, you know you can't set the client score in 2.0.x right? |
| 05:57.28 | JeffM2501 | from a plugin |
| 05:57.38 | Rawk | I've got it doing something like that now |
| 05:58.25 | Rawk | oops, sorry I meant to post that before you said that |
| 05:58.35 | wegstar | so the export lib basically says to the dll, "just link us in, although we don't have the implementation code, the code you'll need to call are in bzfs, which will be provided to you when you are loaded by it"? |
| 05:58.45 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 05:58.58 | wegstar | ah |
| 05:59.04 | JeffM2501 | otherwise the DLL would have to have ALL the code of bzfs |
| 05:59.09 | JeffM2501 | and what is the point of that |
| 05:59.15 | wegstar | yeah |
| 05:59.30 | JeffM2501 | that's why it stands for Dynamic Link Library |
| 05:59.37 | JeffM2501 | the actual code is linked at runtime |
| 05:59.49 | wegstar | then why have the export lib at all? |
| 05:59.56 | wegstar | oh wait.. |
| 05:59.58 | wegstar | I see |
| 06:00.12 | wegstar | wait.. no |
| 06:00.33 | wegstar | then the export lib isn't necessary.. |
| 06:01.02 | JeffM2501 | it is for the dll to link |
| 06:01.07 | JeffM2501 | it has to know what exe the code is in |
| 06:01.14 | Rawk | JeffM2501: um, can't you reset team scores individually though? |
| 06:01.24 | JeffM2501 | as you can have DLLs that themselves export stuff, and dlls include dlls ;) |
| 06:01.31 | JeffM2501 | Rawk, no, |
| 06:01.44 | JeffM2501 | all the other clients will see the reset, except the one that you are reseting |
| 06:02.00 | JeffM2501 | it's a limitaion of the 2.0.x clients |
| 06:02.09 | Rawk | JeffM2501: bz_resetTeamScore ( e*Team ); doesn't work? |
| 06:02.15 | JeffM2501 | team score yes, |
| 06:02.20 | JeffM2501 | player score no |
| 06:02.28 | nick125_lappy | would anyone here actually be interesting on giving productive feedback on my map here? (I'm working on a map, and, I'm not sure what needs to be added, etc)? |
| 06:02.56 | Rawk | JeffM2501: yea, will I only want to change team score |
| 06:02.57 | wegstar | bzfs creates the class defined in the dll by calling a func in the dll, and runs the functions of the class inside bzfs...? |
| 06:02.59 | JeffM2501 | wegstar, so since a dll can get linked in code from the exe that loads it, and/OR any other DLL, it has to knwo what one |
| 06:03.08 | JeffM2501 | wegstar, YES |
| 06:03.27 | JeffM2501 | so the DLL uses functions exported by BZFS, just like bzfs uses functions exported by the DLL |
| 06:03.30 | JeffM2501 | it's bidirectional |
| 06:03.35 | wegstar | so then bzfs could just load the dll directly and run all those functions.. |
| 06:03.41 | JeffM2501 | for those yes |
| 06:03.54 | JeffM2501 | the export lib is for the fucntions the DLL calls in bzfs |
| 06:04.08 | wegstar | oh |
| 06:04.15 | JeffM2501 | we don't need an export lib for the dll because we call the procs at runtime by name |
| 06:04.21 | JeffM2501 | because there are only 2 of them |
| 06:04.25 | JeffM2501 | all others are passed by pointer |
| 06:04.48 | JeffM2501 | if I made the plugin do getProcAddr on every bzfs function then we'd not need an export lib |
| 06:04.54 | JeffM2501 | but that is a huge pain |
| 06:05.03 | wegstar | oh... I see now.. |
| 06:05.03 | JeffM2501 | so we use an export lib |
| 06:05.39 | wegstar | I guess a windows bzfs.a will never exist then.. |
| 06:05.48 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 06:05.54 | JeffM2501 | because a .a is a static lib |
| 06:06.20 | JeffM2501 | now I think that gcc CAN do export libs and stuff with a lot of linker flags and cross compliler magic |
| 06:06.26 | Rawk | JeffM2501: is there a func to reset all team scores? |
| 06:06.27 | JeffM2501 | so mingw can probalby do it somehow |
| 06:06.33 | JeffM2501 | Rawk, what you see is what you get. |
| 06:06.34 | wegstar | somehow.. |
| 06:06.56 | JeffM2501 | wegstar, but I don't think devC++ exposes all that |
| 06:07.04 | JeffM2501 | it just builds it's own stuff |
| 06:07.24 | JeffM2501 | there is also the quesion of support from vc compiler to mingw |
| 06:07.33 | JeffM2501 | I'm not sure they are compatable |
| 06:07.39 | JeffM2501 | in there exports |
| 06:07.50 | Rawk | JeffM2501: when I use "bz_resetTeamScore ( * );" after a cap, the cap'ers have +1 score and the losers -1. do you know how I could get around this? |
| 06:08.25 | JeffM2501 | call it again after the cap has finished, set a flag and call it in the idle event |
| 06:08.39 | JeffM2501 | wegstar, what is your goal? free plugin compiles? or devC++ specificly? |
| 06:09.43 | wegstar | My VC++ Beta expired.. and I'm too lazy to download version 8 :P |
| 06:10.13 | JeffM2501 | if your too lazy to do that, you'll do a LOT more work geting devC++ to do it |
| 06:10.19 | wegstar | and sure, somehow allowing people with devc++ to compile bzflag plugins ;) |
| 06:10.20 | JeffM2501 | I think it'll involve custom build stuff |
| 06:10.24 | wegstar | yeah |
| 06:10.44 | JeffM2501 | it's going to take a lot of research and a lot of understanding of how VC does it's stuff |
| 06:10.56 | JeffM2501 | because bzfs releases are built with VC |
| 06:11.06 | JeffM2501 | also, know that very very few servers run windows |
| 06:11.07 | wegstar | besides, I'm out of disk space to install VC++ 8... ;) |
| 06:11.11 | JeffM2501 | so your audience is very small |
| 06:11.29 | wegstar | hmm.. I guess you're right |
| 06:11.47 | wegstar | ... and returns to the nehe tutorials... |
| 06:15.06 | JeffM2501 | gl is fun |
| 06:15.38 | Rawk | JeffM2501: void tournamentMode::idle() ? |
| 06:15.40 | wegstar | yup |
| 06:15.49 | JeffM2501 | Rawk, umm no man |
| 06:15.50 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 06:15.57 | JeffM2501 | it's an event |
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| 06:16.49 | Rawk | JeffM2501: is it called "bz_eTickEvent"? |
| 06:16.55 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 06:16.58 | JeffM2501 | have you read the docs? |
| 06:17.49 | silverfox | hello |
| 06:18.38 | silverfox | Anyone clue me in to why this is happening? I've installed SDL dev package (for freebsd): |
| 06:18.39 | silverfox | $ aclocal |
| 06:18.39 | silverfox | aclocal:configure.ac:620: warning: macro `AM_PATH_SDL' not found in library |
| 06:18.52 | Rawk | JeffM2501: yea, not thoroghly, but looking at them as I work on it |
| 06:18.55 | silverfox | this is on a fresh checkout. |
| 06:19.41 | wegstar | maybe this will help? |
| 06:19.43 | wegstar | http://www.libsdl.org/pipermail/sdl/2003-April/053501.html |
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| 06:20.42 | wegstar | ahh.. wait |
| 06:20.49 | wegstar | silverfox: http://www.blender.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1877&view=previous&sid=4330f88faf4e6386993da0e62ac12fbf |
| 06:20.52 | wegstar | the second message |
| 06:20.58 | wegstar | You can fix by copying SDL.m4 to your share/aclocal dir |
| 06:21.00 | wegstar | probably /usr/share/aclocal or /usr/local/share/aclocal |
| 06:21.05 | wegstar | </quote> |
| 06:22.12 | JeffM2501 | Rawk, it would also benifit you to learn how to read the headers |
| 06:23.09 | Rawk | JeffM2501: the bzfs source header? |
| 06:23.15 | JeffM2501 | the API header |
| 06:23.25 | JeffM2501 | the api header is the only stuff you have access to in a pluing |
| 06:24.12 | Rawk | ahh, yea, I have that with my project |
| 06:24.23 | JeffM2501 | but learn to read it |
| 06:24.59 | Rawk | yea |
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| 06:37.07 | nick125_lappy | yay, my map actually works |
| 06:42.17 | nick125_lappy | anyone want to try it and give creative feedback? |
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| 07:03.18 | nick125_lappy | well, if anyone happens to want to try my new flying map, feel free to, and, PM any feedback to me: spitfire.atarack.com:5152 |
| 07:05.47 | nick125_lappy | it's my first map, so, I'll need some feedback as to what looks/works better, etc |
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| 07:20.23 | Legoguy | hmm, is the whole flagpole including the somewhat pyrimid-like ornament on top of it supposed to rotate in CVS? .. it looks pretty obvious ... perhaps only the flag itself should be rotated |
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| 10:11.29 | nick125_lappy | eek |
| 10:11.32 | nick125_lappy | bzflag bug! |
| 10:12.09 | nick125_lappy | it seems that once you go upto 2700 "units" (whatever bzflag uses for height), all the controls fubar |
| 10:12.31 | nick125_lappy | A few players noticed it on spitfire.atarack.com:5152, if you want to check it out and see what I'm talking about |
| 10:19.45 | nick125_lappy | go ahead and grab the wings flag, keep pressing tab until you get around 2700 |
| 10:20.03 | nick125_lappy | i've also seen reports of when you get upto 10,000, it really borks |
| 10:40.15 | nick125_lappy | here's a screenshot: http://atarack.com/~ndevito/bzflag_bug.png |
| 10:44.00 | nick125_lappy | I'll file a bug report in the morning on it |
| 10:44.11 | nick125_lappy | unless someoen knows of a existing issue |
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| 11:16.35 | Rawk | nick125_lappy: do you know anything about making plugins? |
| 11:16.50 | nick125_lappy | not really |
| 11:18.03 | Rawk | hmm, bz_eTickEvent doesn't seem to do what I expect it to do |
| 11:20.40 | CBG | nick125_lappy: the bugs you speak of, they are well known about. they have been around sine 2.0.0 but really, they are not a big problem... |
| 11:21.31 | nick125_lappy | also, what texture is the ground? (the grass) |
| 11:21.50 | nick125_lappy | oh, I think I found it.. |
| 11:28.13 | ruskie | nick125_lappy, yeah the going really high isn't that new :) |
| 11:30.55 | nick125_lappy | anyone got a bug # for reference? |
| 11:31.00 | nick125_lappy | ruskie: its soo much fun :P |
| 11:31.16 | ruskie | lol |
| 11:34.20 | nick125_lappy | go up and up and up until bzflag glitches |
| 11:34.29 | nick125_lappy | I think I might add an invisible ceiling or such |
| 11:35.54 | ruskie | what for |
| 11:35.57 | ruskie | just limit wings |
| 11:36.12 | nick125_lappy | but that's no fun :( |
| 11:36.23 | ruskie | I hate wings |
| 11:36.30 | ruskie | it's the worst flag that can happen |
| 11:38.36 | nick125_lappy | wings + bzflag == the best flight simulator available ;) |
| 11:39.25 | ruskie | laser+high point vs wings == fired chicken |
| 11:39.29 | ruskie | erm fried :) |
| 11:39.44 | ruskie | I LOVE lasering anything in the sky |
| 11:40.22 | nick125_lappy | haha |
| 11:40.49 | ruskie | especialy across half the map when they don't have a clue what hit them |
| 11:41.23 | nick125_lappy | haha |
| 11:41.55 | ruskie | flying tank.... zap... fried chicken... cursing... |
| 11:42.14 | [dmp] | Rawk: what's wrong with it? |
| 11:46.04 | Rawk | [dmp] : sec. |
| 11:49.08 | Rawk | [dmp]: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/G5Yw6W16.html. line 181: "case bz_eTickEvent:" - it doesn't ever seem to get there |
| 11:50.20 | Rawk | [dmp]: or else I don't understand what I'm doing ;-) |
| 11:51.51 | Rawk | [dmp]: do you follow what I'm trying to do? |
| 11:53.54 | Rawk | It works except it doesn't reset team scores |
| 11:56.10 | blast007 | nick125_lappy: that "going too high" graphical glitching issue has existed for years... 1.7 had it |
| 11:59.38 | Rawk | [dmp]: you there? I want to do something else at the moment ;-) |
| 12:02.04 | Rawk | I'll be away for a while |
| 12:03.31 | blast007 | Rawk: you never registered the tick event in your load function |
| 12:05.14 | Rawk | back |
| 12:06.12 | Rawk | blast007: ahh, I didn't see that thanks! :-) |
| 12:06.46 | blast007 | :) |
| 12:10.26 | Rawk | yay! it works now thanks :-) |
| 12:11.32 | [dmp] | Rawk: sorry for not replying, gf wanted my help |
| 12:13.32 | Rawk | [dmp]: no problem, the genius here found my problem :-D |
| 12:14.52 | Rawk | does the code look very clean? do you have any tips on how it could inprove? |
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| 12:33.39 | Rawk | you can test my plugin if you want. tournamentMode.cpp: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/eAsJw513.html. Makefile: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/NGOFYH14.html. |
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| 15:02.18 | [dmp] | DriveBy Greeting :) |
| 15:02.48 | CBG | heh |
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| 16:32.07 | spldart | I wish I was a scanner so I could just suck the programming language out of some hapless dolt :( |
| 16:34.17 | JeffM2501 | but then you'd have dolt class programing skills |
| 16:34.31 | spldart | heh.... Not necessarily true... |
| 16:34.48 | spldart | One can be a prodigy in one skill and suck at most else.. like life... |
| 16:35.32 | spldart | speaking of class... c++ classes are another big hurdle that is discouraging me :( |
| 16:35.49 | spldart | ... along with me 1337 spelling skills |
| 16:40.15 | brlcad | try to grasp object oriented programming concepts before you dive into classes |
| 16:40.45 | brlcad | somewhat very hard to do without a mentor or someone pointing and saying "Bad BAD OO design!" at you |
| 16:41.14 | JeffM2501 | yeah it's more about the how you use it, then the guts of what you write |
| 16:41.30 | JeffM2501 | the lanuguage part becomes a very small peice of the programing puzzle |
| 16:41.39 | brlcad | otherwise the "language.. |
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| 16:43.30 | spldart | I'm trying. I have multiple tutorials open side by side. I find following several on a specific subject seems to help me grasp more fully. |
| 16:43.47 | spldart | I am heartened to find similarities to good old basic :) |
| 16:44.05 | JeffM2501 | it's also good to come with some sample problems to solve in programing for yourself |
| 16:44.12 | JeffM2501 | so you can figure out the best way to code it |
| 16:44.15 | spldart | Been doin that too :) |
| 16:44.19 | JeffM2501 | but after you learn the language |
| 16:44.41 | brlcad | the similarities will just be mostly the procedural aspects, which both languages contain |
| 16:44.45 | spldart | Right now I'm going back over material cuz i took a break from it |
| 16:45.37 | spldart | bzflag is all C++? |
| 16:45.41 | brlcad | it takes a bigger leap of faith and grasp of understanding to toss a different programming paradigm into the mix, something pure functional or pure object-oriented for example |
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| 16:45.58 | brlcad | bzflag is "mostly" C++, converted from a fully C version before |
| 16:46.07 | brlcad | the server is still heavily C-based |
| 16:46.16 | brlcad | using objects here and there |
| 16:46.32 | spldart | ah... will I see C stuff mixed with C++ if I were to poke through .. NM you answered my question |
| 16:47.06 | JeffM2501 | C is a subset of C++ |
| 16:47.23 | spldart | I had thought of it as an evolution of C |
| 16:47.31 | JeffM2501 | somewhat |
| 16:47.32 | spldart | would that be erroneious |
| 16:47.33 | brlcad | it's not so much "C stuff mixed with C++", it's functional approach using globals mixed with object-oriented design |
| 16:47.46 | JeffM2501 | yeah C Style is just difrent then C++ style |
| 16:47.52 | JeffM2501 | they both basicly use the same language |
| 16:47.59 | spldart | I've noticed... |
| 16:48.05 | JeffM2501 | you can do C "style" coding using C++ features like templates |
| 16:48.19 | JeffM2501 | cus not using STL is just stupid |
| 16:48.25 | brlcad | or write in C++ and never create an object or a class :) |
| 16:48.36 | spldart | hehe |
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| 16:49.00 | brlcad | what's more important is the programming paradigm |
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| 16:49.17 | spldart | I figure C++ is goin to be a major standard for a long time so I was goin to try to learn it and think it it's style and protocol |
| 16:49.34 | spldart | Think like the program? |
| 16:49.44 | JeffM2501 | how the program is writen |
| 16:49.48 | JeffM2501 | and organised |
| 16:49.58 | JeffM2501 | C++ as a lnaguage will be around a long while |
| 16:50.09 | JeffM2501 | but people will always come up with new ways to make the programs |
| 16:52.21 | CBG | JeffM2501: can I apply a "tint" directly to an object? |
| 16:52.35 | JeffM2501 | yeah, apply a texture and a color |
| 16:52.40 | JeffM2501 | it'll blend the 2 |
| 16:52.50 | JeffM2501 | well modulate them |
| 16:52.55 | spldart | Honestly... I don't think I will have a problem with the paradign... I'll have a problem with the language... I used to thinking like the machine on many levels including a couple of antiquated languages. I |
| 16:53.14 | CBG | oh,, so it's diffuse or color, not tint, when used with an object directly? |
| 16:53.16 | JeffM2501 | well the machine does it all as one big list of instrucitons |
| 16:53.35 | JeffM2501 | if you had an object textured in a grayscale texture |
| 16:53.42 | JeffM2501 | then applied a blue diffuse to it |
| 16:53.46 | JeffM2501 | it would be blue textures |
| 16:53.54 | CBG | ok |
| 16:54.07 | JeffM2501 | spldart, the trick is figuring out cool ways to order those instructions |
| 16:54.11 | JeffM2501 | that's the paradigm |
| 16:54.18 | JeffM2501 | ways to optimise |
| 16:54.21 | JeffM2501 | etc.. |
| 16:54.25 | spldart | I know... I think that will come naturally... |
| 16:54.38 | spldart | Hard to believe but for me I think it wil be true |
| 16:54.48 | spldart | Once I get the 'rules' down |
| 16:54.50 | JeffM2501 | then that is good |
| 16:55.01 | spldart | Circuit design requires creative thought often |
| 16:55.10 | spldart | and so does mechanical design and engineering |
| 16:55.13 | JeffM2501 | the langauge part becomes easy cus you just can use refrence material |
| 16:55.19 | JeffM2501 | like F1 in VC :) |
| 16:55.36 | spldart | I still need to get VC |
| 16:55.43 | JeffM2501 | it's free |
| 16:55.46 | spldart | err rather |
| 16:55.50 | spldart | put it in |
| 16:55.53 | spldart | I have it |
| 16:56.00 | CBG | Also, can I use spin with an object, or is that only for groups too? |
| 16:56.16 | spldart | I believe you can spin and object |
| 16:56.23 | spldart | wait |
| 16:56.24 | spldart | hrm |
| 16:56.27 | JeffM2501 | CBG, groups IIRC |
| 16:56.34 | spldart | nm.. jeff right |
| 16:56.36 | spldart | group |
| 16:56.36 | JeffM2501 | but try and see |
| 16:56.38 | JeffM2501 | brb |
| 16:56.39 | CBG | Hmm, ok, rotate should work. |
| 16:58.23 | brlcad | JeffM2501: does express give you the gui? |
| 17:02.40 | blast007 | brlcad: yeah |
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| 17:09.52 | CBG | JeffM2501: that 'tin't problem I had with pyraminds in groups,... |
| 17:09.53 | CBG | I just tried putting pyramids outside the group, same problem. |
| 17:09.53 | CBG | It seems to me that coloring just doesn't work well with pyramids, unless the problem is that the pyramid texture is blue already..? |
| 17:10.20 | trepan | tint only works on mesh objects |
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| 17:10.43 | CBG | If I give the blue or green tint/diffuse, they are the same blue/green as the meshboxes. If I give them a red tint/diffuse, they are a brown. With a purple diffuse/tint they come out blue. |
| 17:10.52 | CBG | trepan: yeah, I'm using meshpyrs. |
| 17:11.40 | trepan | give the source pyrs: "color white" |
| 17:12.05 | brlcad | blast007: thx |
| 17:12.18 | CBG | source pyrs? |
| 17:12.46 | trepan | it's a tint (mult), not a color assignment |
| 17:13.06 | CBG | what are source pyrs? |
| 17:13.35 | trepan | you could also assign a different material with a "matref" in the group instantiation |
| 17:13.57 | trepan | the pyrs in the "define" block |
| 17:14.58 | CBG | give those objects "color white" but still tint the group, or..? |
| 17:15.13 | trepan | whatever |
| 17:15.23 | CBG | well, that didn't change anything. |
| 17:15.39 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, yeah express is full VC8 |
| 17:15.46 | JeffM2501 | you an even build bz with it |
| 17:19.11 | CBG | what is the pyra texture called? :/ |
| 17:22.36 | CBG | Hmm, yes, the problem is the pyrwall texture. If I use a matref with no texture, the colors are correct. But when I use the pyrwall texture, red becomes brown and purple becomes blue (blue and green work as they should). |
| 17:28.24 | JeffM2501 | cus the pyramid texture is colored |
| 17:28.31 | JeffM2501 | and it adds the colors together |
| 17:28.41 | CBG | yeah, figures... |
| 17:29.03 | CBG | is there someway to make the texture greyscale, without editing the image? |
| 17:29.04 | JeffM2501 | that's why I asked you what texture you had |
| 17:29.11 | JeffM2501 | and you said you had no textures ;) |
| 17:29.17 | JeffM2501 | not that I know of |
| 17:29.37 | CBG | ok, i'll just make a new, greyscale pyrwall :) |
| 17:30.59 | trepan | mesh.png should do |
| 17:30.59 | CBG | Wow, preview rocks. :D |
| 17:31.26 | CBG | I did that quicker than it would have taken to open photoshop. |
| 17:34.19 | JeffM2501 | CBG, you mean mspaint? ;) |
| 17:35.43 | CBG | JeffM2501: pff... |
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| 17:41.48 | CBG | Uh, I get this error when joining the server: "cannot load texture: /Users/Me/Library/App Support/BZFlag/cache/http/cbg.bzflag.org/pyrwall.png"... the image is at http://cbg.bzflag.org/pyrwall.png |
| 17:42.09 | JeffM2501 | it can't pull it out of your cache |
| 17:42.19 | JeffM2501 | did it download it? |
| 17:42.31 | CBG | yep.. |
| 17:42.37 | JeffM2501 | then it can't open it |
| 17:42.46 | CBG | o.O |
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| 17:43.55 | CBG | Does it have to be a specific type of png to work? |
| 17:44.12 | CBG | I mean, it's a "256 greys" png. Would that be it? |
| 17:45.22 | JeffM2501 | dono |
| 17:45.29 | JeffM2501 | there are some png's that we can't read |
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| 17:51.19 | CBG | Ok, looks like I'll need to crack open photoshop afterall. |
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| 17:51.41 | JeffM2501 | did preview make a bad png? |
| 17:52.08 | CBG | Maybe, or maybe it was just 'cause I saved it as a 256grays png. |
| 17:52.22 | CBG | I was cheating to make it greyscale. |
| 17:52.38 | CBG | If I do it properly in photoshop, I can save as millions of colors, which works. |
| 17:54.57 | CBG | Yep, works like a charm now. |
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| 17:55.24 | JeffM2501 | wonder how your preview saved it |
| 17:55.30 | JeffM2501 | probably as a single channel, no pallet |
| 17:55.36 | JeffM2501 | and I think we assume 8 bit has a pallet |
| 17:55.41 | CBG | hmm |
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| 18:22.28 | spldart | Ooop.. made my first c++ error.. did a function twice on the same variable |
| 18:24.29 | purple_cow | "did a function" ? |
| 18:24.33 | spldart | For some reason that makes me a happy |
| 18:25.05 | spldart | performed the same task on an integer I input but I left an old peice of the program in that I was in the process of creating |
| 18:25.10 | spldart | It went poop |
| 18:26.01 | spldart | what do you guys use to edit c++ in? I screwed up the spacing by using nano no knowing better :( |
| 18:26.16 | spldart | in linux I mean.. |
| 18:27.19 | spldart | I'm writing in windows wordpad then compiling in gcc but when I went to fix a problem in nano it pooped it up |
| 18:29.15 | JeffM2501 | the term is called |
| 18:29.26 | JeffM2501 | you called a function twice with the same variuable |
| 18:29.35 | spldart_beerrun | sorry.. |
| 18:29.41 | spldart_beerrun | I'm stilll learning :) |
| 18:29.48 | JeffM2501 | just letin you know :) |
| 18:29.59 | spldart_beerrun | by all means... thanks :) |
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| 19:29.05 | spdlart | is there a neat little quick reference guide for c++ code? |
| 19:32.01 | DTRemenak | no ;) |
| 19:32.50 | spdlart | poop.... I figured just as this is to bash http://www.ss64.com/bash/ there would be something to c++ |
| 19:33.26 | DTRemenak | the problem is there are many thousands of symbols defined |
| 19:33.46 | spldart | ah... didn't realize it was that many |
| 19:33.57 | DTRemenak | if you include stl there are |
| 19:34.14 | DTRemenak | even without, there's all the ansi c functions |
| 19:34.40 | spldart | So... does a good programmer have to be able to recall all these thousands of defined symbols from memory? |
| 19:34.45 | DTRemenak | nope |
| 19:35.04 | DTRemenak | depending on the task, you know a few for that task |
| 19:35.34 | DTRemenak | and you know what header files they're in, if you need related stuff |
| 19:35.56 | spldart | ok |
| 19:36.05 | DTRemenak | or you use msdn or some other reference |
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| 19:38.30 | DTRemenak | CBG: if you find a png that bzflag does not load, I would appreciate a copy |
| 19:39.06 | spldart | Sorry... My code learning binge is all Jeff and Wegstar's conversation last night's fault... :-p |
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| 19:40.04 | DTRemenak | spldart: http://www.sourcepole.com/sources/programming/cpp/cppqref.html might be close to what you're looking for. be aware that it's very incomplete, but that's ok. |
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| 19:52.28 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, need a 19inch CRT? |
| 19:58.08 | spldart | Thanks DTR. That's exactly what I was looking for. |
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| 20:06.37 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: that's what I'm using now |
| 20:07.24 | JeffM2501 | need/want another? |
| 20:15.16 | CBG | DTRemenak: sure, cbg.bzflag.org/pyrawall.png - I think that's the one. |
| 20:15.47 | CBG | I used Mac OS X's "Preview" to open the existing texture, I exported as a PNG and under the options I chose "256 Grays". |
| 20:16.09 | CBG | it was my attempt to save time by not having to actually edit the image in photoshop. |
| 20:16.23 | DTRemenak | The requested document was not found on this server. |
| 20:17.16 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: hmm...sure, I can probably find a use for it |
| 20:17.19 | JeffM2501 | k then I won't pitch it |
| 20:17.41 | JeffM2501 | I think it's a dual input too |
| 20:18.16 | CBG | ah, yeah, pyrwall.png I guess |
| 20:18.44 | CBG | hmm, but it is blue now :/ |
| 20:18.53 | CBG | gah, I'll just re-do the process |
| 20:19.48 | A-Delusion | CBG's new motto " Will Think For Food." |
| 20:20.57 | CBG | ok, sorry about that, DTRemenak, this one: http://cbg.bzflag.org/badpyrwall.png |
| 20:21.00 | spldart | :-x |
| 20:21.14 | DTRemenak | thanks |
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| 20:22.22 | CBG | it would be cool to have some way to make a matref use the greyscale of a color texture... |
| 20:22.49 | JeffM2501 | that's harder in GL |
| 20:22.49 | CBG | like, adding notexcolor to a matref. if that's possible. ;) |
| 20:23.26 | CBG | Well, I guess editing the image and getting it hosted on @.bzflag.org is not too difficult. |
| 20:26.13 | JeffM2501 | considering you have a .bzflag.org ;) |
| 20:26.29 | CBG | ;) |
| 20:28.00 | JeffM2501 | fryward ho! |
| 20:32.27 | spldart | hrm... lunch... hrm |
| 20:33.25 | spldart | Pie in the sky's are back.. hrm |
| 20:33.27 | DTRemenak | CBG: that png works for me |
| 20:33.39 | DTRemenak | on cvs head, anyway |
| 20:39.19 | CBG | DTRemenak: hmm, I'm using 2.0.8 server, 2.0.6 client. |
| 20:39.19 | CBG | let me try again with that image |
| 20:44.26 | CBG | DTRemenak: http://cbg.sh.nu:5140/texture.png the top pyramid should use the "badpyrwall.png" texture, the bottom uses the normal pyrwall texture (and the boxes to the left use the normal box texture). |
| 20:44.37 | CBG | You can see the error in the chat window. |
| 20:49.30 | DTRemenak | CBG: I just replaced my pyrwall.png with it... http://www.swordofkahless.com/nonsok/bzfi0006.png |
| 20:56.20 | CBG | hmm... |
| 21:06.24 | nick125_lappy | ugh, why don't people get it when I say "no" to their admin requests |
| 21:07.44 | spldart | The same reason they don't get it when I say no to the same questiong from them |
| 21:07.46 | spldart | hehehe |
| 21:08.17 | spldart | today is learn day.. I'm doin C++ and teaching my 14y/o html as well... 8-0 |
| 21:08.18 | cosmos | "if you dont make me admin i will get my friends to hack your server" |
| 21:08.52 | spldart | I had some attacks on my server.. mainly brute force dos type stuff |
| 21:09.28 | cosmos | yeah the other hepcat servers were getting nailed again |
| 21:10.12 | nick125_lappy | "GOOD F*CKING LUCK WITH THAT HACKING, B*TCH!" *kickban* |
| 21:11.21 | nick125_lappy | then, I say "I'll think about it", and, they start pushing |
| 21:12.04 | nick125_lappy | "well, just give me the password" |
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| 21:24.07 | gsnedders | how long can a callsign be? |
| 21:24.28 | silverfox | ~bzfquery silvercat.bzflag.org:5154 |
| 21:29.44 | DTRemenak | gsnedders: 32 characters |
| 21:29.51 | gsnedders | DTRemenak: thanks |
| 21:30.13 | gsnedders | DTRemenak: I assume they can't begin or end with whitespace |
| 21:32.54 | DTRemenak | gsnedders: bzfs will trim them if they do |
| 21:33.05 | cosmos | ~bzfquery borrego.hepcat.org:5154 |
| 21:33.13 | DTRemenak | there are several other rules applied server-side also |
| 21:34.12 | nick125_lappy | is there a way to apply two textures to a surface (i.e, I want to have the normal stone, then, I want to apply a logo to it) |
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| 21:41.22 | spldart | interesting query.. I do not believe it will do waht you want though.. why not create a texture that has your logo already? |
| 21:42.02 | nick125_lappy | I guess I'll read up a little more on textures so I can actually do it right..hehe |
| 21:42.50 | spldart | :( html is frustrating the hell outta my eldest daughter :( |
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| 21:43.14 | gsnedders | spldart: HTML is easy. |
| 21:43.18 | Cobra_ | bzfquery bzflag.secretplace.us:5255 |
| 21:43.26 | ToughShooter | gsnedders: Wrong |
| 21:43.36 | gsnedders | spldart: as long as you don't teach all the odd quirks :P |
| 21:43.43 | ToughShooter | Look at all the sites out there, 99% wrong done |
| 21:43.59 | gsnedders | ToughShooter: that doesn't mean it's hard. |
| 21:44.30 | gsnedders | ToughShooter: I'd guess 99% of those were created by WYSIWYG editors |
| 21:44.32 | ToughShooter | It shows it's not understood by the most people who try to use it |
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| 21:44.58 | ToughShooter | gsnedders: Well, even CMS are creating wrong output |
| 21:45.06 | spldart | meh.. maybe I'm not a good teacher |
| 21:45.18 | ToughShooter | It's not easy to get it done right, just like moving bz into a real internet game |
| 21:45.21 | gsnedders | it's not _that_ hard to understand, though |
| 21:45.39 | spldart | It can be intimidating to somebody who isn't logically inclined. She's more wired like an artist |
| 21:47.02 | spldart | Was actually thinking of having her just use one of those WYSIWYG editors actually |
| 21:47.09 | gsnedders | eek. |
| 21:47.14 | gsnedders | horrid code :P |
| 21:47.18 | spldart | LOL |
| 21:47.23 | ToughShooter | XML is a fine thing, I wish it would be used for bz's maps as well :/ |
| 21:47.31 | spldart | Well.. I'm not exactly a profesional at html myself :( |
| 21:47.37 | gsnedders | that'd make them so much easier to parseā¦ |
| 21:47.41 | nick125_lappy | what about XSLT + XML? |
| 21:48.04 | gsnedders | XSLT is a weird language, IMO |
| 21:48.16 | nick125_lappy | quite weird |
| 21:50.33 | nick125_lappy | hmm |
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| 21:57.48 | nick125_lappy | grr |
| 21:58.43 | pyr0 | arg? |
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| 22:16.09 | nick125_lappy | well, there's that whole "making humans edit XML is sadistic" thing... |
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| 22:59.51 | CBG | cosmos, nick125_lappy, spldart, I'm about 2 hours late here, but I logged onto hepcat for 15 minutes yesterday, got an admin request as soon as I joined. |
| 23:00.22 | CBG | he went by the name of "Dragon" and didn't seem to grasp the concept of "DONT ASK" even though I explained it in GREAT detail numerous times. |
| 23:12.06 | nick125_lappy | hah |
| 23:13.04 | nick125_lappy | I got one guy that wants me to set him up a server (he's like "when are u gonna setup my server" even though I told him i would think about it), then, I got another guy "i want to be an admin on here. i know stuff." or something like that |
| 23:13.31 | spldart | gotta share this.. it's hilarious |
| 23:14.33 | spldart | playan viper2.pimpi ctf and when I joined I realized I'm on the loosing side. They are capturing and captured again in short order... my guys are mostly on the bottom of the playerlist |
| 23:14.52 | spldart | Anywho. hard fought working of the oppossing flag to our base |
| 23:15.23 | spldart | took 3 of my lives and 2 of my teamates... I land the flag but just short of one of our guys saying.... "I smell victory" |
| 23:15.40 | spldart | As soon as I capture I say "Sorry. I farted" |
| 23:15.46 | nick125_lappy | lol |
| 23:15.47 | PuMpErNiCkLe | bahahaha |
| 23:15.51 | spldart | But.... That's not the funny part |
| 23:16.11 | spldart | Another of my guys was apparently already typing "And it smells good" |
| 23:16.20 | spldart | That message popped up right after mine |
| 23:16.31 | nick125_lappy | lol |
| 23:16.41 | spldart | I absolutely love those moments :) |
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| 23:17.12 | nick125_lappy | haha |
| 23:17.20 | spldart | I'm sure that guy was thinking 'damn' after he saw his message pop up after mine :-p |
| 23:17.29 | Skunk | does bzflag have a straffing button like moving side to side? |
| 23:18.09 | spldart | I wish |
| 23:18.24 | Skunk | could it ever? |
| 23:19.22 | spldart | I wouldn't know... but it goes against the root heritage of the game methinks |
| 23:19.32 | Skunk | why |
| 23:19.38 | Skunk | its just moving sideways |
| 23:19.39 | spldart | tanks don't move sideways |
| 23:19.54 | nick125_lappy | spldart: they could! :D |
| 23:20.00 | spldart | hehe |
| 23:20.23 | Skunk | maybe in bzflag |
| 23:20.55 | spldart | don't get me wrong... I trhink it would be cool... but don't think the dev's would allow it :dunno: |
| 23:21.17 | Skunk | why not? |
| 23:21.21 | Skunk | oh |
| 23:21.26 | nick125_lappy | because its not so real.. |
| 23:22.08 | spldart | have to get jeff, dtr, tim: etc's opinion on that one.. :-/ |
| 23:22.48 | Skunk | where do u go to do that? |
| 23:22.57 | spldart | heh... here |
| 23:23.06 | spldart | wait for one to answer :) |
| 23:23.43 | spldart | things work on a schedule... hurry up and wait for them to be around :) |
| 23:24.01 | nick125_lappy | anyone know when bzflag 3.x will be released? *ducks* |
| 23:24.24 | spldart | LMAO... A LONG, LONG time... |
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| 23:24.31 | spldart | 2.2 coming first in months or more |
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| 23:24.57 | nick125_lappy | haha |
| 23:25.03 | Skunk | what is 2.2 gonna have? |
| 23:25.09 | a_meteorite | spldart: huh? |
| 23:25.11 | a_meteorite | 2 months? |
| 23:25.17 | a_meteorite | *months |
| 23:25.26 | spldart | well ... versatility for one |
| 23:25.28 | blast007 | Skunk: depends what they put in it :) |
| 23:25.39 | Skunk | is there anythin cool? |
| 23:25.41 | Skunk | so far |
| 23:25.54 | spldart | I like the new shots for one |
| 23:26.03 | nick125_lappy | spldart: got a screenie? |
| 23:26.08 | spldart | hrm... |
| 23:26.27 | Skunk | where? |
| 23:27.10 | spldart | http://spldart.opencombat.net:92/ummwhat.png |
| 23:27.28 | Skunk | nice |
| 23:27.54 | Skunk | is there any more |
| 23:27.55 | Skunk | ? |
| 23:28.05 | JeffM2501 | all the tank models are difrent |
| 23:28.14 | JeffM2501 | everyone is now riding a prety pony |
| 23:28.20 | spldart | lmao |
| 23:28.30 | Skunk | can u dl and builds/ |
| 23:28.31 | Skunk | ? |
| 23:28.41 | JeffM2501 | there are no builds |
| 23:28.41 | nick125_lappy | JeffM2501: what kind of bullets does it shoot them? |
| 23:28.48 | JeffM2501 | nick125_lappy, hugs and kisses |
| 23:28.58 | nick125_lappy | aww |
| 23:28.59 | Skunk | well than whats running in that sn |
| 23:29.00 | nick125_lappy | sweet |
| 23:29.01 | nick125_lappy | :) |
| 23:29.04 | blast007 | and super rainbows |
| 23:29.10 | Skunk | screenshots? |
| 23:29.13 | JeffM2501 | Skunk, he buildt from source |
| 23:29.20 | nick125_lappy | JeffM2501: who's idea was that? |
| 23:29.22 | JeffM2501 | we don't have any premade binarys for it |
| 23:29.29 | Skunk | is it svn? |
| 23:29.31 | JeffM2501 | nick125_lappy, all Tim's idea |
| 23:29.34 | JeffM2501 | Skunk, no, cvsw |
| 23:29.56 | spldart | maybe I should have not entertained the masses |
| 23:29.57 | nick125_lappy | JeffM2501: aah, I thought it was one of those "get rid of the violence" parental video gaming activist groups |
| 23:30.13 | JeffM2501 | what makes you think Tim isn't on one of those groups ;) |
| 23:30.28 | nick125_lappy | hah |
| 23:31.32 | nick125_lappy | what happened to the guided missiles? |
| 23:31.37 | nick125_lappy | turned into guided hugs? |
| 23:31.49 | JeffM2501 | laser guided hugs! |
| 23:32.04 | JeffM2501 | GM is now called "Aunt Fran" |
| 23:32.05 | spldart | lmao |
| 23:32.08 | nick125_lappy | haha |
| 23:34.13 | spldart | aaaahh. I should have stopped at the funny ctf moment story and quit :-| |
| 23:35.31 | *** join/#bzflag Blue_Eyes (i=Blue@217.201.201.201) |
| 23:45.14 | a_meteorite | JeffM2501: can bzfs bind to another IP if your server has multiple IPs? |
| 23:45.39 | nick125_lappy | I think so |
| 23:45.46 | a_meteorite | how? |
| 23:45.58 | nick125_lappy | I think its -bind |
| 23:46.03 | nick125_lappy | or something |
| 23:46.04 | nick125_lappy | let me check |
| 23:46.28 | nick125_lappy | theres -interface |
| 23:46.44 | JeffM2501 | interface is it |
| 23:47.10 | nick125_lappy | yay I was right |
| 23:47.16 | a_meteorite | -interface is an IP? |
| 23:47.23 | nick125_lappy | no, its an interface |
| 23:47.24 | a_meteorite | or ethx |
| 23:47.28 | nick125_lappy | i.e. eth0:1 |
| 23:47.32 | a_meteorite | ah ok |
| 23:47.44 | nick125_lappy | er wait |
| 23:47.53 | nick125_lappy | yeah, its IP address |
| 23:48.02 | a_meteorite | ok |
| 23:48.03 | nick125_lappy | -i 216.218.209.x for example |
| 23:48.14 | a_meteorite | I can't try it now, but I might be moving to a host with 5 IPs :) |
| 23:48.22 | nick125_lappy | nice |
| 23:48.52 | nick125_lappy | yeah, I have to bind servers to some IPs since I have 4 IP assigned to the VPS that I put bzflag servers on..mm :) |
| 23:49.41 | nick125_lappy | since you can only advertise one IP *anyways* |
| 23:55.36 | nick125_lappy | what host are you looking at? |
| 23:56.26 | CBG | nick125_lappy: what servers do you host? |
| 23:56.54 | nick125_lappy | all the atarack servers (spitfire.atarack.com:5152 and 5154 IIRC) |
| 23:58.07 | nick125_lappy | 5152 is my air battle map, 5154 is default |
| 23:58.16 | CBG | cool. who's your hosting providor? |
| 23:58.19 | a_meteorite | we can get a full dedicated for twice the price, but 5x the bandwidth |
| 23:58.41 | nick125_lappy | CBG: the VPS box is colocated at hurricane electric |
| 23:59.34 | CBG | thanks :) |
| 23:59.39 | nick125_lappy | fremont-II |
