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| 00:05.19 | Matt123 | that was the one |
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| 00:35.14 | Mr_Molez | if its for linux it will be for windows aswell |
| 00:35.27 | blast007 | Mr_Molez: not always :P |
| 00:35.36 | Mr_Molez | no but 99% of the time :P |
| 00:35.51 | blast007 | 99% is a little high |
| 00:36.03 | Mr_Molez | nuhuh :P |
| 00:36.57 | blast007 | 98% maybe, but 99? come on ;) |
| 00:44.31 | Bz_Win | QUEstion regarding meshes |
| 00:44.56 | Bz_Win | how can I apply the flatshading var to the mesh? |
| 00:45.05 | Bz_Win | when I put it in the face it doesn't work :\ |
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| 01:06.34 | Bz_Win | g2g |
| 01:06.37 | Theme97 | bye |
| 01:07.56 | spldart | Any of the dev's have opinions on C-hash? |
| 01:08.37 | Mr_Molez | <WeirdBeard> well my dad is icelandic, my mother is cuban |
| 01:08.40 | Mr_Molez | <WeirdBeard> i'm an icecube |
| 01:08.43 | Mr_Molez | :P |
| 01:09.20 | spldart | heh |
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| 04:02.31 | Theme97 | Why is bzfs quitting when I have -g and the last player on the server leaves? I don't want it to do that, I just want it to count down and then stop. Is there any alternative? :-/ |
| 04:03.16 | blast007 | -g is supposed to make it quite |
| 04:03.18 | blast007 | quit* |
| 04:03.29 | blast007 | put it in a script so it loops |
| 04:03.42 | blast007 | bash or batch or otherwise |
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| 06:11.56 | Shaba1 | Hello all |
| 06:12.30 | Shaba1 | anyone ever have problems getting their screen to come back to the desktop upon quiting the windows version of BZflag |
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| 11:17.06 | romfis | (join t42 |
| 11:17.21 | romfis | lol :P |
| 11:20.37 | Thonolan | ? |
| 11:20.48 | romfis | hi |
| 11:20.49 | romfis | :D |
| 11:21.03 | romfis | hab mich vertippt mehr nicht :P |
| 11:21.40 | Thonolan | ahaaaaa |
| 11:21.46 | Thonolan | dacht schon... |
| 11:21.48 | Thonolan | :P |
| 11:22.25 | romfis | keyboard war schuld :P |
| 11:22.50 | romfis | hehe, was dachtest du den ? |
| 11:23.16 | romfis | das der romfis durchgedreht geworden ist? lol! |
| 11:23.25 | Thonolan | so ungefaehr :D |
| 11:23.30 | romfis | arg |
| 11:23.37 | Thonolan | j/k |
| 11:23.40 | romfis | :D |
| 11:24.15 | romfis | mir war fad und hab mich absichtlich vertippt :P |
| 11:24.58 | Thonolan | jjjjjaaaaaaajjaaaaaa |
| 11:25.01 | Thonolan | :P |
| 11:25.04 | romfis | lol |
| 11:25.09 | Thonolan | hab schon verstanden :D |
| 11:25.20 | romfis | spielst du GU? |
| 11:25.30 | romfis | in ein team? |
| 11:25.31 | Thonolan | lol |
| 11:25.34 | Thonolan | ja |
| 11:25.37 | Thonolan | seit gestern |
| 11:25.39 | romfis | aso, wo? |
| 11:25.40 | Thonolan | :D |
| 11:25.44 | Thonolan | untamed |
| 11:25.49 | romfis | GU?? |
| 11:25.52 | Thonolan | catay hat ein gu team gemacht |
| 11:25.56 | Thonolan | yep |
| 11:26.00 | romfis | ow |
| 11:26.08 | Thonolan | ow? |
| 11:26.33 | Thonolan | catay tut ne menge um ligen lebendig zu halten |
| 11:26.57 | Thonolan | manchmal mehr als die sogenannten council s :) |
| 11:26.58 | romfis | weil sonnst hätt ich Bernie gefragt wenn du willst, ich hoffe Chestal liest das hier nach und loggt sich mal in GU League seite ein um seine mail zu lesen :P |
| 11:27.11 | Thonolan | ah bernie is cool |
| 11:27.26 | Thonolan | aber neue teams sind immer gut :) |
| 11:27.46 | romfis | jo, aber T42 ist glaub ich ne ausnahme :P |
| 11:28.50 | romfis | FF auch die haben es auch fast ereicht :P |
| 11:30.49 | Thonolan | teams die den spass am speilen im vordergrund stellen sind immer cool :) |
| 11:31.09 | romfis | ;) |
| 11:32.24 | Thonolan | ok rom bis später :) |
| 11:32.31 | Thonolan | auf gu :D |
| 11:32.52 | romfis | k |
| 11:32.53 | romfis | :P |
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| 12:31.51 | Mr_Molez | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=88613&sid=ebd5859f12242573f48eede63b4a97ec#88613 nice story :P |
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| 12:37.28 | Mr_Molez | :P |
| 12:47.31 | Chestal | romfis: was, wie, gu? hab ich da nen login? |
| 12:51.39 | Chestal | ah, ich erinnere mich |
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| 12:58.18 | giggsey | Does anyone have the file which was at http://files.noodleroni.com/pub/bzflag/bzupdate.pl and is used on my.bzflag.org |
| 12:58.32 | giggsey | http://stats.bzflag.org/ * |
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| 14:22.19 | TheBarron | anyone? What happened to the wnc.or.at server? |
| 14:22.32 | TheBarron | And.. why are there all of the sudden a whole slew of new servers? :) |
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| 16:22.12 | blast007 | giggsey: that would be in the 'db' module of bzflag's CVS repository |
| 16:24.21 | giggsey | OK, thanks |
| 16:26.23 | blast007 | there are also some scripts that can query single bzflag servers in the misc/ directory of the 'bzflag' module |
| 16:28.21 | giggsey | Im thinking about making some rrdtool graphs with stats |
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| 16:58.33 | giggsey | Is BZFlag::Info in PHP as well somewhere? |
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| 17:06.14 | blast007 | giggsey: http://bzflag.cvs.sourceforge.net/bzflag/bzflag/misc/bzfquery.php?view=markup&pathrev=v2_0branch |
| 17:06.40 | blast007 | you'll also likely want to apply this patch to it: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1497099&group_id=3248&atid=303248 |
| 17:06.42 | giggsey | I didn't even look in 'bzflag' |
| 17:06.54 | blast007 | I need to check over the patch one of these days and apply it |
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| 17:59.41 | ToughShooter | TimRiker: ping |
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| 20:16.38 | CIA-9 | BZFlag: 03timriker 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/data/l10n/ (bzflag_es.po bzflag_xx.po): es and xx from xukosky@yahoo.es |
| 21:08.41 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 21:13.54 | JeffM2501 | oh don't worry, you'll have to maintain it ;) |
| 21:14.11 | Gnurdux | what plugin? |
| 21:14.15 | JeffM2501 | GLTest |
| 21:14.29 | Gnurdux | what does it do? |
| 21:14.40 | CBG | Not as interesting as Theme's landmine plugin then? :P |
| 21:14.44 | Gnurdux | will plugins be able to do custom graphics? |
| 21:15.06 | JeffM2501 | opens up N parts and N configs, and checks the parts for tests then runs the tests and returns a report of how each part did with each config. |
| 21:17.34 | Gnurdux | whats a part? |
| 21:17.56 | trepan | a piece of the whole |
| 21:18.01 | JeffM2501 | a part is a colection of geometry, solids, and operations |
| 21:18.06 | JeffM2501 | and tools |
| 21:18.10 | JeffM2501 | can't forget the tools |
| 21:18.23 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 21:18.29 | JeffM2501 | tho our parts can be wholes too |
| 21:18.31 | JBdiGriz | Imagine that JeffM2501 and DTRemenak are once again neglecting the channel. ;) |
| 21:18.40 | JeffM2501 | or just messing with everyoine ;) |
| 21:18.43 | JeffM2501 | cus hey that's fun |
| 21:19.02 | DTRemenak | huh what? |
| 21:19.02 | JBdiGriz | Those oines can be nasty, so watch out. :) |
| 21:19.26 | JeffM2501 | tho I'm sure DTRemenak won't be TOO suprised when he sees how similar BZ's API is to our product's api |
| 21:19.32 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 21:19.40 | DTRemenak | no, that will not surprise me ;) |
| 21:20.06 | JeffM2501 | tho we have the secret API |
| 21:20.15 | JeffM2501 | in adition to the public one |
| 21:20.37 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 21:21.50 | a_temp_dist | could I get a forum Moderator to take care of a couple usergroup requests? at your convienience |
| 21:21.50 | a_temp_dist | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=2660&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=322 |
| 21:22.50 | JeffM2501 | bahh it's backed up |
| 21:22.54 | JeffM2501 | yeah I'll get to those today |
| 21:23.18 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, and no a server plugin can't make the client draw stuff |
| 21:23.39 | Gnurdux | so GL doesn't stand ofr opengl? |
| 21:23.45 | JeffM2501 | it does |
| 21:23.58 | JeffM2501 | I just was not talking about a plugin for BZ |
| 21:24.01 | JeffM2501 | but a plugin for virtual |
| 21:24.40 | Gnurdux | oh |
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| 21:27.49 | JeffM2501 | groups are done |
| 21:28.29 | JeffM2501 | now client side plugins.. that's another story...... |
| 21:29.24 | L4m3r | Client-side plugins just sounds like a huge debate waiting to happen |
| 21:29.34 | JeffM2501 | ohh yeah |
| 21:29.40 | JeffM2501 | just like any feature |
| 21:29.53 | JeffM2501 | you'd have to break them into difrent classes |
| 21:29.56 | JeffM2501 | like UI mods |
| 21:30.00 | JeffM2501 | and game mods. |
| 21:30.03 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 21:30.10 | JeffM2501 | then make game mods only work on servers that also run the mod |
| 21:30.13 | L4m3r | and the API would have to be extremely well thought out |
| 21:30.17 | Gnurdux | client side game mods shouldn't exist |
| 21:30.23 | JeffM2501 | why? |
| 21:30.28 | Gnurdux | why not just do protocol mods? |
| 21:30.44 | Gnurdux | better to give the server enough control over the game that that would be unnecessary |
| 21:30.51 | L4m3r | I can think of a couple of UI mods that would be nice, i.e. being able to rearrange the HUD |
| 21:30.53 | Gnurdux | like make modes like ctf entirely server sdie |
| 21:30.54 | JeffM2501 | if you have another protection mechanims besides prottoll |
| 21:31.00 | JeffM2501 | somethign that dosn't need a full client updates |
| 21:31.02 | JeffM2501 | it's easyer |
| 21:31.16 | L4m3r | adds a degree of customizeability too |
| 21:31.16 | Gnurdux | cleint wouldn't even need to send the "I captured the Flag!" message |
| 21:31.19 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, that requires the defintion of a very gneric protocll |
| 21:31.25 | JeffM2501 | and you can never get it perfect |
| 21:31.29 | JeffM2501 | but yes it would help |
| 21:31.37 | JeffM2501 | at some point you'll need a client mod |
| 21:31.41 | JeffM2501 | like when you want to change drawing |
| 21:31.54 | JeffM2501 | unless you make the server send out draw calls :) |
| 21:32.02 | purple_cow | GLX baby |
| 21:32.05 | Gnurdux | but that might fall down to a UI mod |
| 21:32.10 | JeffM2501 | oh yeah THAT's Fast |
| 21:32.17 | Gnurdux | you could have plugins change the way things lok |
| 21:32.19 | Gnurdux | *look |
| 21:32.26 | L4m3r | How would plugins (that required the server side as well) be verified? some sort of checksum? |
| 21:32.37 | JeffM2501 | there are a number of ways |
| 21:32.41 | blast007 | punkbuster ;) |
| 21:32.42 | JeffM2501 | I looked into client side ones |
| 21:32.47 | Gnurdux | it owuld have to be a checksum of the plugin's source, since there would be differnet binaries |
| 21:32.57 | JeffM2501 | wasn't any real reason to do it unless the client is cleaned up first |
| 21:33.08 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, or a logic checksum |
| 21:33.13 | JeffM2501 | from the compiled bin |
| 21:33.20 | JeffM2501 | but realy security dosn't mater |
| 21:33.31 | JeffM2501 | if they are runing a moded client plugin it's the same as a moded client |
| 21:33.36 | JeffM2501 | and for that no checksum will work |
| 21:33.41 | JeffM2501 | so it's pointless |
| 21:33.43 | Gnurdux | yes |
| 21:33.49 | L4m3r | closed-source plugins :) |
| 21:33.51 | JeffM2501 | may as well verify the behavor on the server |
| 21:33.52 | Gnurdux | just in case 2 plugins have the same name, though |
| 21:34.02 | JeffM2501 | you make them use keys |
| 21:34.03 | JeffM2501 | not names |
| 21:34.15 | JeffM2501 | and logic checks |
| 21:34.21 | JeffM2501 | but realy it's outside what we need |
| 21:34.32 | JeffM2501 | well untill we make stuff more modular |
| 21:34.50 | JeffM2501 | if we were able to have quake like mod DLLs, then that' would be a use |
| 21:35.00 | JeffM2501 | then the proto isn't the key, it's the game type |
| 21:35.29 | DTRemenak | there are lots of other things that should be done before client-side mods |
| 21:35.34 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:35.39 | JeffM2501 | more then lots |
| 21:35.42 | JeffM2501 | a googleplex |
| 21:35.52 | DTRemenak | otherwise we'll end up with mods being bad hacks around stuff we should be doing server-side |
| 21:36.46 | JeffM2501 | so what did they have for lunch today? |
| 21:37.15 | JBdiGriz | Chicken bowl, and Chow Mein. |
| 21:37.20 | JeffM2501 | not bad |
| 21:37.30 | JeffM2501 | Panda Express? |
| 21:37.34 | JeffM2501 | or leftovers? |
| 21:38.00 | JBdiGriz | I'm not sure, it was leftovers in the cafeteria. :) |
| 21:38.07 | JeffM2501 | fun |
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| 21:38.44 | JeffM2501 | dtr gets free lunch for another week |
| 21:38.50 | JeffM2501 | the bastard ;) |
| 21:38.55 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 21:38.57 | L4m3r | heh |
| 21:38.58 | DTRemenak | we had bbq stuff |
| 21:39.05 | JeffM2501 | wood ranch probably |
| 21:39.08 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 21:39.12 | L4m3r | I get free lunch for another lunch, then all my food is prepaid. mwahahaha. |
| 21:39.13 | JeffM2501 | one of the better places |
| 21:39.23 | L4m3r | er |
| 21:39.31 | L4m3r | s/another lunch/another month/ |
| 21:39.38 | JeffM2501 | heh, big dif |
| 21:40.08 | L4m3r | Subway rules 8) |
| 21:40.19 | purple_cow | yick |
| 21:40.33 | L4m3r | altho making your sandwiches becomes so mechanical that you forget what you put on it |
| 21:41.09 | JeffM2501 | yeah I avoid subway, and quiznos |
| 21:41.16 | L4m3r | why? |
| 21:42.06 | blast007 | Noodleman! |
| 21:42.06 | blast007 | :) |
| 21:42.06 | Noodleman | blast007! |
| 21:42.06 | L4m3r | Granted it's not anywhere near as healthy as they say it is, but it still tastes good :P |
| 21:42.43 | JeffM2501 | well it was probably better then Chili's today |
| 21:43.54 | blast007 | noodles? |
| 21:44.00 | Noodleman | heh, cute |
| 21:44.10 | JBdiGriz | What are the choices? |
| 21:44.24 | Noodleman | crap, crap, crap, and crap |
| 21:44.31 | blast007 | the middle one |
| 21:44.37 | Noodleman | hard to make a decision |
| 21:45.25 | L4m3r | I was thinking the same thing :P |
| 21:45.36 | JBdiGriz | :D |
| 21:46.13 | Noodleman | hmm, i think i'll have some noodles after all :-P |
| 21:52.38 | L4m3r | I only eat meatball subs from a place on Hawthorne called Vince's |
| 21:52.58 | L4m3r | I don't really like the subway ones |
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| 21:59.07 | JeffM2501 | well wood ranch is some good eatin, we usualy go once a week |
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| 23:03.11 | Gnurdux | Noodleman, whta happened to noodlebot |
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| 23:12.57 | CIA-9 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10GPx01/client/src/simpleGameDrawing.cpp: move up the shadow to prevent flicker ( till a better shadow system is done ) |
| 23:31.56 | CIA-9 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10GPx01/data/model/mk3/shadow.png: the mk3 needs a shadow image too. |
| 23:33.45 | CIA-9 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10GPx01/client/src/simpleGame.cpp: default to the mk3 model when playing |
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