| 00:03.00 | CIA-6 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10GPx01/common/src/prefs.cpp: group info functions |
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| 00:13.17 | mistake | yo yo, Barbarians looking for a match |
| 00:13.17 | Theme97 | Pimpi: ping =/ |
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| 00:13.19 | mistake | yo yo, Barbarians looking for a match |
| 00:13.19 | JeffM2501 | This is the return of the space cowboy....... |
| 00:13.19 | mistake | at your service |
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| 00:19.26 | CIA-6 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10GPx01/client/ (inc/client.h src/client.cpp src/simpleGame.cpp): pull the input bindings from the config file, allowing for more then one group of configs, and a current "active" config. |
| 00:19.51 | CIA-6 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10GPx01/client/src/gameConnection.cpp: ws |
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| 00:20.52 | CIA-6 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10GPx01/data/world/Thumbs.db: stupid thumbnail db.. how did you get in there |
| 00:20.58 | Theme97 | Thumbs.db? :O Dern Windoze. |
| 00:20.59 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 00:20.59 | JeffM2501 | did a bulk dir add |
| 00:20.59 | JeffM2501 | so it picked those up |
| 00:20.59 | JeffM2501 | before I excluded them |
| 00:20.59 | blast007 | I turn off thumbnail caching to avoid that ;) |
| 00:21.00 | JeffM2501 | or just tell tort to ignore them ;) |
| 00:21.00 | JeffM2501 | I like the caching |
| 00:21.04 | JeffM2501 | it's fast |
| 00:21.06 | blast007 | I rarely use thumbnail previews |
| 00:36.03 | blast007 | and I don't like backup up extra useless files |
| 00:36.04 | blast007 | backing* |
| 00:36.08 | JeffM2501 | so tell your backup system to skip em :) |
| 00:36.11 | blast007 | heh |
| 00:36.11 | blast007 | winrar ;) |
| 00:36.13 | blast007 | probably has an option in there somewhere |
| 00:36.13 | JeffM2501 | it can't do a filter? |
| 00:36.13 | JeffM2501 | "don't save hidden files" :) |
| 00:36.14 | blast007 | but I want it to do that :) |
| 00:36.16 | blast007 | just not that one file |
| 00:36.17 | JeffM2501 | then hidden and .db |
| 00:36.18 | JeffM2501 | it's always named the same too |
| 00:36.18 | blast007 | yeah yeah, I'm sure there is a way ;) |
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| 00:44.58 | A-Delusion | ~stats |
| 00:45.05 | ibot | Since Sat Aug 19 00:07:01 2006, there have been 48 modifications, 539 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 473 commands. I have been awake for 5d 37m 57s this session, and currently reference 111467 factoids. I'm using about 18608 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 14183.14/918.36 child 0.4/0.11 |
| 00:45.06 | CBG | It's lagging by over 2 hours... |
| 00:45.07 | A-Delusion | oh |
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| 00:49.44 | CBG | a_meteorite: so how far did you go with your spanish teacher? |
| 00:49.44 | CBG | crap... wrong window :( |
| 00:49.44 | a_meteorite | wrong channel |
| 00:49.44 | a_meteorite | I got to buenos dias |
| 00:49.44 | CBG | Wahey! ;) |
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| 01:23.17 | menotume | hmmm .... make: *** No rule to make target `../3D/lib3D.la', needed by `bzflag'. Stop. |
| 01:23.17 | menotume | brl been messing with automake stuff again? :P |
| 01:23.17 | menotume | ohhhhhh, nvm |
| 01:23.17 | menotume | eep, wrong branch |
| 01:24.15 | A_Heart_Attack | ?? |
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| 01:24.21 | A_Heart_Attack | what just happened? |
| 01:24.22 | blast007 | A_Heart_Attack: the server had A_Heart_Attack, I mean, a heart attack |
| 01:24.22 | Gnurdux | a netsplit |
| 01:25.12 | A_Heart_Attack | a netsplit? |
| 01:25.12 | Gnurdux | the link between 2 servers on the network got temporarily disconnected |
| 01:25.13 | blast007 | momentary loss of connectivity between two servers |
| 01:25.13 | A_Heart_Attack | oh ok |
| 01:25.13 | blast007 | what gnurdux said |
| 01:25.14 | A_Heart_Attack | lol |
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| 02:09.44 | A_Heart_Attack | everyone join #aha |
| 02:09.44 | A_Heart_Attack | :D |
| 02:12.49 | Gnurdux | thats actually against freenode rules :P |
| 02:13.03 | A_Heart_Attack | really |
| 02:13.03 | A_Heart_Attack | ? |
| 02:13.12 | Gnurdux | "advertising" your channel |
| 02:13.12 | Gnurdux | yep |
| 02:13.14 | A_Heart_Attack | ... |
| 02:13.16 | A_Heart_Attack | crap |
| 02:13.18 | A_Heart_Attack | w/e |
| 02:13.20 | Gnurdux | but most channels dont care lol |
| 02:13.23 | A_Heart_Attack | i wont die |
| 02:13.43 | Gnurdux | the worst that could happen is if you do it on a channel with an anal op, they might give you a warning |
| 02:13.57 | a_meteorite | or ban you the first time |
| 02:14.01 | a_meteorite | that's funner |
| 02:14.04 | A_Heart_Attack | "anal" |
| 02:14.04 | A_Heart_Attack | ha |
| 02:14.11 | Gnurdux | they'd have to be VERY anal to do that A-Delusion |
| 02:14.14 | Gnurdux | * a_meteorite |
| 02:14.18 | Gnurdux | stupid tabcompletion |
| 02:14.29 | a_temp_dist | and your non-OSS channel is supposed to start with two ## |
| 02:15.02 | Gnurdux | i htought thats only if its about a project and isn't run by the project |
| 02:15.36 | a_temp_dist | OK, you are probably right |
| 02:16.39 | Gnurdux | Topical or reference channels names, formatted with two leading hash marks (##), are allocated on a first-come, first-serve basis to unofficial groups wishing to discuss a project, group or general topic area. For example, the channel ##linux has been reserved for an unofficial group which uses it to provide GNU/Linux support to visiting users. |
| 02:16.54 | Gnurdux | Topical or reference channels should not be registered directly or indirectly by their corresponding projects. You may not register such a channel on freenode without accepting these policies. |
| 02:16.58 | Gnurdux | Mr_Molez, .... |
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| 03:28.55 | Matt123 | is there a way that you can make the player slot #'s come up when you are hidden admin |
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| 12:15.47 | dryhdh | hi |
| 12:18.37 | dryhdh | does somebody know how to make a icey effect on a box t will cause tanks glide away when they're jump on it? |
| 12:20.50 | ToughShooter | _friction makes it icy but that's for all objects |
| 12:22.06 | ToughShooter | For single objects you may want to use slide (physics driver) |
| 12:22.59 | dryhdh | ye i tried that but its a incorrect argument for a box |
| 12:23.07 | dryhdh | i assigned a psy to a box |
| 12:23.45 | ToughShooter | Did you look at jpa's tutorial? |
| 12:24.17 | dryhdh | dunno if that was jp's tut :P |
| 12:24.47 | dryhdh | can u give me the link |
| 12:26.06 | ToughShooter | http://kapsi.fi/~jpa/stuff/bzw/physics.php |
| 12:26.51 | dryhdh | thanks im gonna read it now |
| 12:27.33 | ToughShooter | BTW: Don't use box, box is bad regarding collision detecting. BZFlag needs excess precision for box. Use meshbox instead |
| 12:38.19 | dryhdh | ok |
| 12:38.26 | dryhdh | u said slide? |
| 12:38.37 | dryhdh | so slide 3.0 or something |
| 12:39.08 | ToughShooter | I think so |
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| 14:03.47 | ibot | cool like the fonz |
| 14:05.25 | mistake | ~bzgirls |
| 14:05.33 | mistake | ~help |
| 14:12.16 | uso | ToughShooter: what's wrong with collision detection and boxes? all the old style maps use boxes |
| 14:12.29 | uso | arwe you speaking about 2.0 or 2.1? |
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| 14:22.31 | ToughShooter | uso: BZFlag needs excess precision on some angles |
| 14:22.41 | ToughShooter | meaning non-IEEE conform floats |
| 14:24.50 | brlcad | or *gasp* doubles |
| 14:26.16 | uso | is this a bug or do we now need to hassle around with meshes if we only want simple box-pyramid-maps? |
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| 14:28.23 | brlcad | not quite sure what ToughShooter means by "box is bad regarding collision detecting" though, the tolerance computation issues are more pandemic |
| 14:29.20 | ToughShooter | people get stuck on them, it's like someone put gum on them |
| 14:29.24 | brlcad | the basic issue that I think you're dealing with, uso, is that if you want physics drivers, you have to use a mesh -- the base primitives don't support drivers |
| 14:30.08 | brlcad | ToughShooter: that wouldn't just be precision, that would be an outright bug -- they didn't used to do that |
| 14:35.58 | uso | brlcad: that's not a problem, i was only surprised by the statement that the collision detection in bzflag works better if you do the same map with meshes instead of boxes |
| 14:36.05 | uso | i would consider this a bug |
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| 14:44.22 | brlcad | uso: that would be a bug |
| 14:50.32 | DTRemenak | mmm, bug |
| 14:50.53 | blast007 | crunchy |
| 14:50.53 | brlcad | at least in the "unexpected behavior" sense |
| 14:50.59 | ToughShooter | Well, it can be triggered off and on via changing precision from gcc. Sadly windows® binaries ship with excess precision enabled |
| 14:52.23 | ToughShooter | I would always vote for meshbox instead of box because it's saver |
| 14:52.33 | ToughShooter | safer* |
| 14:52.37 | brlcad | ToughShooter: that just means that there's some check going on somewhere in the code (lots of places actually) where something is being compared == some_float or at least </>= some_float without taking epsilon into account |
| 14:53.10 | brlcad | it's not a matter of voting, the same problem could easily end up in the mesh code too .. |
| 14:53.17 | ToughShooter | The problem is that I'm unable to find the logical problem in the code..:/ |
| 14:53.22 | brlcad | the math just needs to be reviewed/cleaned up |
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| 14:53.42 | ToughShooter | There's more important stuff to do anyway |
| 14:53.45 | brlcad | it's not likely going to be a "logic problem" other than the assumption of real numbers |
| 14:54.11 | brlcad | :) |
| 14:54.57 | ToughShooter | The core network protocol code needs to be changed first, that's way more important, IMHO |
| 14:55.18 | brlcad | heh |
| 14:55.24 | brlcad | that's been the case for years |
| 14:55.39 | brlcad | that's why those sorts of bugs fester |
| 14:56.10 | ToughShooter | It needs to be sorted out |
| 14:57.46 | uso | ToughShooter: which option is it for gcc? maybe this fixes my teleporter "seal" bug |
| 14:57.51 | uso | *too |
| 14:58.09 | brlcad | don't use -ffast-math |
| 14:58.45 | brlcad | and/or add -mieee-fp |
| 15:01.25 | uso | i'll try it, would be nice to not get stuck on top of the tele in the HIX map, thanks brlcad |
| 15:05.51 | ToughShooter | uso: -ffloat-store |
| 15:07.00 | ToughShooter | That will trigger the bug on |
| 15:08.03 | ToughShooter | I always have it as my variables are always IEEE compliant, my CPU does not use 96bit, it uses 64bit precision |
| 15:09.41 | uso | so float-store is the one i have to avoid, right? |
| 15:10.29 | ToughShooter | Well, I would love to see the official windows® binaries to be compiled with this option as then the bahaviour would be consistant |
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| 15:17.20 | ToughShooter | I mean they don't have the symptom but I'm affected. :/ |
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| 15:54.11 | uso | brlcad: is there any option for configure to get rid of the -ffast-math? --disable-... and CXXFLAGS do not work, as i assume the last option of gcc wins |
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| 16:49.35 | NTH | quick question, would you expect a tank that is NR to kill a burrowed tank |
| 16:49.56 | Theme97 | No, but it does. |
| 16:50.24 | NTH | I know it does, and that answers my questions thank Theme |
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| 17:13.56 | brlcad | uso: you should be able to override the flags during make (e.g. make CFLAGS="...") otherwise you'll have to edit configure.ac and rerun autogen.sh |
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| 17:48.50 | Pimpi | Theme97: ping |
| 17:48.56 | Theme97 | Pimpi: pong |
| 17:49.45 | Pimpi | if you wan?t the originaly 1vs1 patch you?ll find it in sf patches section |
| 17:49.52 | Theme97 | Alright, thanks. |
| 17:50.09 | Pimpi | you might be able to reuse portions of it |
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| 18:13.40 | amcnabb | So I'm thinking about adding freezetag support to BZFlag. |
| 18:14.04 | amcnabb | I think all I'd really need to do is add MsgFrozen and MsgThawed and then make sure that all of the semantics are right. |
| 18:14.21 | amcnabb | Is that the right way to look at it? |
| 18:16.43 | amcnabb | brlcad and JeffM2501, do you guys have any suggestions? |
| 18:17.01 | Gnurdux | hmm |
| 18:17.06 | JeffM2501 | I'd make it more generic |
| 18:17.14 | Gnurdux | it would be much better if plugins could control hits effects |
| 18:17.23 | Gnurdux | so server sends a plugin a gotHitEvent |
| 18:17.24 | JeffM2501 | make it a message to make the user not move, or not shoot |
| 18:17.36 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, sure code up server side hits, and you can do that |
| 18:17.39 | Gnurdux | and then the plugins could also control movement positions |
| 18:17.44 | brlcad | yeah, that sounds like a great idea |
| 18:17.50 | Gnurdux | heh |
| 18:18.00 | Gnurdux | i thought server side hits were gonna be part of 2.1 |
| 18:18.02 | amcnabb | How much harder would it be to do it server side? |
| 18:18.03 | Gnurdux | *2.2 |
| 18:18.16 | JeffM2501 | amcnabb, I kninda need a message like that for tutorials :) |
| 18:18.18 | Gnurdux | amcnabb, even if its not harder, someone has to code it up |
| 18:18.23 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, only if somone does it |
| 18:18.24 | brlcad | amcnabb: i did mean server-side as a message like jeff suggests |
| 18:18.33 | JeffM2501 | amcnabb, what version are you looking at doing it in? |
| 18:18.35 | brlcad | *messages |
| 18:18.40 | amcnabb | JeffM2501, head |
| 18:18.55 | JeffM2501 | yeah then just do a generic message form the server that can tell a cleint that it can't move |
| 18:18.56 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, i thought you were planning on coidjng server side hits? |
| 18:18.59 | JeffM2501 | or can't shoot |
| 18:19.10 | JeffM2501 | and then lock out input at the client end |
| 18:19.16 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, me? |
| 18:19.21 | Gnurdux | yes |
| 18:19.26 | Gnurdux | i guess not :\ |
| 18:19.26 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, noone has steped up to code it |
| 18:19.34 | JeffM2501 | I'd love to see it |
| 18:19.39 | JeffM2501 | but I can't make somone code it |
| 18:19.40 | amcnabb | That doesn't sound too bad. |
| 18:19.40 | Gnurdux | let TimRiker do it :P |
| 18:19.48 | JeffM2501 | if he wishes to do so.. |
| 18:20.13 | JeffM2501 | amcnabb, then we can use it for more stuff, like make it so an admin can stop a player who's being an ass |
| 18:20.16 | JeffM2501 | and talk to them |
| 18:20.16 | CBG | freezetag? |
| 18:20.22 | JeffM2501 | then let them go |
| 18:20.27 | amcnabb | makes sense. |
| 18:20.31 | Gnurdux | but freezetag means they dont blow up |
| 18:20.32 | JeffM2501 | or have plugins do other modes |
| 18:20.35 | Gnurdux | they just get stuck |
| 18:20.54 | JeffM2501 | the more generic you can make the features, the better it is, as then it's much more expandable |
| 18:20.58 | Gnurdux | so you'd have to change the kill system |
| 18:21.13 | Gnurdux | and once you do that, it really makes sense to do server side kills |
| 18:21.17 | amcnabb | JeffM2501, so you would recommend having one for freezing motion, and another for freezing shooting? |
| 18:21.28 | JeffM2501 | no, I'd do it as one message |
| 18:21.44 | Gnurdux | if you had 2, then you could do something like dodgeball |
| 18:21.45 | JeffM2501 | that sends bools for what to allow or disallow |
| 18:21.48 | ToughShooter | Hmm, server side hits would be pretty low level network code |
| 18:21.53 | amcnabb | ok |
| 18:21.59 | JeffM2501 | and don't call it freeze ;) |
| 18:22.01 | Gnurdux | where you can get unfroze when you freeze someone else |
| 18:22.01 | Gnurdux | ah |
| 18:22.04 | Gnurdux | oh ok |
| 18:22.05 | ToughShooter | If bz ever switches to a better proto it may completly break |
| 18:22.06 | JeffM2501 | msgAllowInput |
| 18:22.15 | JeffM2501 | and have it take movement, and shooting as params |
| 18:22.22 | amcnabb | makes sense |
| 18:22.30 | amcnabb | I'll play around with it a little. |
| 18:22.32 | Gnurdux | ToughShooter, its really not a network issue |
| 18:22.34 | JeffM2501 | make the client default to no move or no shoot |
| 18:22.37 | Gnurdux | just server side shot tracking |
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| 18:22.47 | JeffM2501 | then send out a move and shoot allow with the spawn message |
| 18:23.10 | JeffM2501 | then later if need be we can expand it to have a "die" flag too |
| 18:23.44 | amcnabb | ok |
| 18:23.44 | JeffM2501 | I have ideas for tutorial servers, in those the server will need to lock the tank down and while it explains stuff |
| 18:23.48 | JeffM2501 | so that woudl help a lot |
| 18:23.56 | JeffM2501 | and work for your tag thing too I think |
| 18:24.01 | amcnabb | absolutely |
| 18:24.08 | ToughShooter | Well, if the server should do the kills, then it needs to know where the player is |
| 18:24.21 | amcnabb | Does it not know right now? |
| 18:24.22 | ToughShooter | With current protocol the position is not "secure" |
| 18:24.37 | JeffM2501 | the server knows your last reported position |
| 18:24.40 | amcnabb | I thought the server gets position updates. |
| 18:24.40 | JeffM2501 | but not WHEN that was |
| 18:24.40 | ToughShooter | Many ways to fake that data |
| 18:24.47 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't know where you are right now |
| 18:24.52 | JeffM2501 | and yes, it can be faked |
| 18:24.54 | ToughShooter | yes, it gets but the proto is not smart |
| 18:25.06 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't have enough info |
| 18:25.17 | ToughShooter | Some players can look into the future for example |
| 18:25.37 | amcnabb | If I'm doing freezetag, should I copy dead-reckoning code into the server or something? |
| 18:25.40 | ToughShooter | They see the move and react without lag, but the others see him lagging terribly |
| 18:25.48 | ToughShooter | That's just one of many scenarios |
| 18:25.52 | JeffM2501 | amcnabb, that's a much biger job |
| 18:25.57 | JeffM2501 | don't bite off more then you can chew |
| 18:25.57 | amcnabb | :) |
| 18:26.00 | amcnabb | Yeah. |
| 18:26.00 | JeffM2501 | you can do it in parts |
| 18:26.03 | JeffM2501 | do your message first |
| 18:26.23 | JeffM2501 | then if you want to tackle server side state improvements, take it as a seperate task |
| 18:26.28 | JeffM2501 | since they arn't realy related |
| 18:26.39 | amcnabb | I agree, but I need to have a little bit of a plan. |
| 18:26.40 | ToughShooter | dead-reckoning may needs to be redone completly or removed, depending on what the solution will be |
| 18:26.45 | ToughShooter | if it ever changes |
| 18:26.55 | JeffM2501 | you have to have some form of DR ;) |
| 18:27.02 | JeffM2501 | and yes it needs to change a bit |
| 18:27.03 | amcnabb | If I need an "easy" way to do freezetag, should I do it on the client side, then? |
| 18:27.09 | JeffM2501 | you'll need DR on the client and server |
| 18:27.13 | ToughShooter | the lockstep protocol doesn't have DR :p |
| 18:27.29 | amcnabb | (as a separate issue from MsgAllowInput) |
| 18:27.41 | JeffM2501 | amcnabb, I'd start with that yes, because so much else is done client side, but then think about how you'd move it to the server later with the rest of it |
| 18:27.50 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, sure for turn based games, |
| 18:27.52 | amcnabb | That sounds very sensible. |
| 18:28.21 | DTRemenak | if you'd like to move all that to the server, you're welcome too, don't misinterpret that |
| 18:28.27 | DTRemenak | s/too/to |
| 18:28.33 | JeffM2501 | yeah yeah, it totaly needds to be done |
| 18:28.38 | JeffM2501 | be happy for you to do it :) |
| 18:28.55 | JeffM2501 | personaly I'd just split the tasks |
| 18:29.00 | amcnabb | Unfortunately, I have a bit of a deadline. |
| 18:29.03 | ToughShooter | Yupp, all players will be happy, too ;) |
| 18:29.09 | DTRemenak | then don't do that yet ;) |
| 18:29.11 | amcnabb | So I'm going to take the easier and not-too-dirty approach. |
| 18:29.16 | JeffM2501 | amcnabb, that's why it may be faster to do it client first ;) |
| 18:29.20 | amcnabb | absolutely |
| 18:29.32 | JeffM2501 | also lets you test your stuff and know you didn't bust other stuff |
| 18:29.32 | amcnabb | Server-side is definitely more ambitious than I want to be right now. |
| 18:29.36 | amcnabb | yep |
| 18:29.48 | JeffM2501 | yay, lunchtime :) |
| 18:31.43 | amcnabb | JeffM2501, are you leaving right now? |
| 18:32.46 | DTRemenak | amcnabb: he may have already fallen into the grasp of the lunch |
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| 18:33.22 | ToughShooter | lunch, heh, I already think about using matches to keep my eyes open |
| 18:33.27 | amcnabb | :) |
| 18:33.49 | Gnurdux | video games function as stimulants :P |
| 18:33.57 | amcnabb | I'm going to get something to eat, too, then. I'll have another question or two when I get back. |
| 18:34.01 | DTRemenak | ToughShooter: that's what we get for living on a spherical world |
| 18:34.27 | DTRemenak | with our primary light source being a point light, at that |
| 18:37.19 | ToughShooter | I guess we can all be happy our brain manages to keep colors constant at morning/midday/afternoon |
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| 19:12.40 | Gnurdux | its hurts my eyes to hold down esc when bzf starts up |
| 19:13.06 | spldart | 8-0 |
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| 19:37.54 | amcnabb | JeffM2501, are you back from lunch yet? |
| 19:40.26 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 19:41.45 | JeffM2501 | mmm fishy goodness |
| 19:42.02 | amcnabb | So my impression is that we should add PStatus entries for freezing of movement and shooting. |
| 19:42.20 | JeffM2501 | sounds good |
| 19:42.45 | amcnabb | AllowMovement and AllowShooting? |
| 19:42.52 | JeffM2501 | I'd do it as one message |
| 19:43.00 | JeffM2501 | MsgAllow |
| 19:43.04 | JeffM2501 | and send 2 bools |
| 19:43.07 | amcnabb | I'm looking at PlayerStatus, though, not the message. |
| 19:43.13 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 19:43.18 | JeffM2501 | sure then |
| 19:43.22 | JeffM2501 | so 2 bools |
| 19:43.23 | JeffM2501 | got it |
| 19:43.43 | JeffM2501 | just use the existing status, good find |
| 19:43.53 | amcnabb | They're actually boolean bits in the mask, but that's probably more technical than you care about at the moment. :) |
| 19:44.00 | JeffM2501 | yeah however |
| 19:44.03 | JeffM2501 | sounds good |
| 19:44.24 | JeffM2501 | sounds better even, cus it is part of the status :) |
| 19:51.09 | DTRemenak | we can't do it that way, that makes too much sense! |
| 19:52.05 | JeffM2501 | all part of the plan |
| 19:52.11 | JeffM2501 | what did they feed you today? |
| 19:52.20 | DTRemenak | chinese |
| 19:52.29 | JeffM2501 | oh.. I'm sorry |
| 19:52.38 | DTRemenak | I've had better chinese, too |
| 19:52.47 | JeffM2501 | yeah the place here sucks |
| 19:52.53 | DTRemenak | oh well. at least it was free :) |
| 19:52.58 | JeffM2501 | I won't go there anymore |
| 19:53.07 | DTRemenak | makes sense |
| 19:56.51 | JeffM2501 | one more day and your done with the class tho, so that's good |
| 19:57.11 | JeffM2501 | did they tell you that the machine your using in the classis your real worl machine? |
| 19:57.22 | JeffM2501 | so you can install or setup whatever you need/want |
| 19:57.32 | JeffM2501 | gahh, work not worl |
| 19:58.09 | DTRemenak | yeah, they did |
| 19:58.20 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 19:58.25 | DTRemenak | thus the irc :) |
| 19:58.50 | JeffM2501 | well you could have been planing on removing it :) |
| 19:59.05 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 19:59.09 | DTRemenak | could have been :) |
| 19:59.11 | JBdiGriz | JeffM2501 is already training you on the fine art of slacking. ;) |
| 19:59.13 | JeffM2501 | hmm maybe you can help me with my super cool work side project I want to to do :) |
| 19:59.23 | JeffM2501 | oh I'm working right now |
| 19:59.27 | DTRemenak | super cool work side project? :) |
| 19:59.31 | JeffM2501 | watching the build :) |
| 19:59.44 | DTRemenak | I'm working too, actually |
| 19:59.49 | JeffM2501 | I want to make a small CNC machine out of hoby servos and a dremel tool |
| 19:59.52 | JBdiGriz | Everyone needs faster builds. |
| 19:59.53 | DTRemenak | rendering a part |
| 20:00.00 | DTRemenak | sweet |
| 20:00.02 | spldart | oo sounds cool |
| 20:00.04 | JeffM2501 | and have a plugin that runs it right from the CPR |
| 20:00.04 | DTRemenak | I like that project |
| 20:00.11 | *** part/#bzflag quantumdot (n=Juan@VA1-1D-u-0083.mc.onolab.com) |
| 20:00.12 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 20:00.15 | JeffM2501 | so it goes in lockstep with the software |
| 20:00.19 | JeffM2501 | would make a cool demo |
| 20:00.29 | DTRemenak | have to be careful with collisions if you run it right from cpr |
| 20:00.39 | JeffM2501 | well you'd see what you get :) |
| 20:00.41 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 20:00.48 | DTRemenak | *crunch* |
| 20:01.00 | JeffM2501 | ohh yeah crashes are common in machining |
| 20:01.09 | DTRemenak | that's what I gathered |
| 20:01.14 | JeffM2501 | I"ve been researching USB and serial servo controlers |
| 20:01.16 | DTRemenak | but I thought that's what the sim stuff was for |
| 20:01.24 | JeffM2501 | tho it looks like many just use a basic stamp |
| 20:01.29 | DTRemenak | if you're machining during the sim doesn't it kinda defeat the purpose? ;) |
| 20:01.30 | JeffM2501 | sim can show more then CPR |
| 20:01.40 | DTRemenak | true |
| 20:01.58 | JeffM2501 | I remember scanlime and purple_cow talking about basic stamps |
| 20:05.04 | spldart | server having issues? |
| 20:05.21 | A_Heart_Attack | cant access list server? |
| 20:05.27 | spldart | or bzbb |
| 20:05.38 | A_Heart_Attack | same |
| 20:05.40 | A_Heart_Attack | hmm |
| 20:05.49 | spldart | thought so |
| 20:05.49 | spldart | meh |
| 20:05.49 | A_Heart_Attack | give it a few minutes |
| 20:05.49 | spldart | yeah |
| 20:07.23 | JeffM2501 | we have something better if you want |
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| 20:07.46 | DTRemenak | I doubt there's anything better ;) |
| 20:07.46 | JeffM2501 | oh bah, your not on the internal network |
| 20:09.38 | wizart | if we had some kind of favorite server bookmark list we would have less problems when the list server is down. |
| 20:10.19 | *** join/#bzflag zongo_ (n=zongo@237.240.62.81.cust.bluewin.ch) |
| 20:10.24 | wizart | hi zongo_ |
| 20:10.32 | JeffM2501 | wizart, it's been talked about |
| 20:10.34 | JeffM2501 | we have the cache |
| 20:10.38 | JeffM2501 | but it's not enough |
| 20:10.47 | menotume | right, global :) |
| 20:11.07 | JeffM2501 | yeah, it needs to be distributed |
| 20:11.36 | wizart | a bookmark system on every client should be sufficent |
| 20:11.41 | JBdiGriz | JeffM2501 and DTRemenak are both correct, but it wasn't intentional. The IRC is on my laptop that I bring from home. I was on the work machine staring at my driver. :D |
| 20:11.47 | wizart | nMost of us are not using the list server anyway |
| 20:11.56 | wizart | nwe know exactly where we want to play |
| 20:11.58 | menotume | can't ping, so n/w problem |
| 20:12.04 | JeffM2501 | wizart, I agree, we need both |
| 20:12.13 | wizart | nwe just use it to avoid typing in the url |
| 20:12.25 | bryjen | ~n |
| 20:12.26 | ibot | well, n is the disease bzflag players get when they play too much. There is no cure. |
| 20:12.27 | JBdiGriz | Someone has 'n' disease. |
| 20:12.30 | orange | can you guys build us one of those machines like in the fifth element that assembles new people? |
| 20:12.34 | JeffM2501 | need bookmarks, and last N servers, as tabs |
| 20:12.45 | wizart | noh yea, that wouold be cool orange |
| 20:12.46 | JeffM2501 | orange, yes |
| 20:12.50 | JeffM2501 | but they smell funny |
| 20:13.02 | A_Heart_Attack | wizart, enough with the "n" |
| 20:13.04 | wizart | I wouldn't mind if it can only assemble lilo's :) |
| 20:13.05 | menotume | my trace stops here ... Lightspeed-IP-Inc-Triple-8.ge-3-0-0.ar2.TPA1.gblx.net |
| 20:13.05 | JBdiGriz | What's wrong with their noses? |
| 20:13.20 | JeffM2501 | some gland problem in them |
| 20:13.34 | JeffM2501 | it's not my department |
| 20:13.42 | spldart | I had N disease |
| 20:13.47 | spldart | it seems to be in remission |
| 20:15.18 | wizart | o.O I see two zongos |
| 20:15.51 | JeffM2501 | ooo looks worse then last time |
| 20:15.54 | menotume | poor brl |
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| 20:17.57 | spldart | who was currently generously hosting the current list/bzbb server again? |
| 20:18.14 | JeffM2501 | brlcad |
| 20:18.32 | spldart | and his popping off would be a bad thing then...as your statement seems to suggest |
| 20:18.36 | spldart | ? |
| 20:18.49 | JeffM2501 | he uses the server for IRC |
| 20:18.58 | spldart | oop |
| 20:19.01 | JeffM2501 | so it ether got hit bad bad, or went offline |
| 20:19.03 | spldart | :-x |
| 20:19.18 | JeffM2501 | that also means he will be aware of it when he looks at his PC :) |
| 20:19.20 | JeffM2501 | or mac |
| 20:19.20 | blast007 | I was using it as well, since my home connection is down right now :) |
| 20:19.49 | Thumper_ | ~bzflist |
| 20:19.57 | spldart | heh |
| 20:20.05 | blast007 | Thumper_: the server is down right now |
| 20:20.09 | Thumper_ | I see that :) |
| 20:20.13 | blast007 | ;) |
| 20:20.44 | *** topic/#bzflag by JeffM2501 -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/GettingHelp || paste to http://bzflag.pastebin.ca || CVS HEAD is 2.1 UNSTABLE, use for new commits | list server is down, react acordingly |
| 20:20.55 | spldart | LOL |
| 20:21.06 | Thumper_ | lo |
| 20:21.07 | Thumper_ | l |
| 20:21.13 | TheBarron | OH GOD NO!!!!!!!!!! |
| 20:21.27 | JeffM2501 | yeah it's unreachable, so it pooped, or a net issue |
| 20:21.42 | blast007 | my SSH timed out while I was on it |
| 20:21.45 | JeffM2501 | maybe now is a good time for the addicts to go ouside :) |
| 20:21.45 | wizart | btw. The mouse box size depends on the radar size. It's perfect without radar or chat window but off center and small otherwise. You are aware of this I guess? |
| 20:21.46 | uso | ping is back |
| 20:21.53 | JeffM2501 | outside even |
| 20:21.59 | spldart | this addict is at work but not for long |
| 20:22.01 | wizart | I just checked. It's dark outside |
| 20:22.09 | JeffM2501 | flashlight |
| 20:22.11 | blast007 | ~bzflist |
| 20:22.12 | spldart | Was thinking of hooking up my new car stereo tonight though |
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| 20:26.10 | A_Heart_Attack | yay list server up again |
| 20:27.43 | wizart | btw. who owns this bzfx.net server ? |
| 20:27.48 | wizart | I can't join them |
| 20:27.58 | A_Heart_Attack | A Meteorite |
| 20:28.02 | A_Heart_Attack | oh |
| 20:28.08 | A_Heart_Attack | yeah |
| 20:28.15 | A_Heart_Attack | well, he has space on the server |
| 20:28.25 | A_Heart_Attack | he wont tell anyone who actually owns the server |
| 20:28.29 | wizart | Looks like my street is banned or something like that |
| 20:28.47 | wizart | I don't get any message when I try to connect |
| 20:28.51 | wizart | nit just times out |
| 20:28.58 | Mr_Molez | A_Heart_Attack: everyone knows who owns them |
| 20:29.06 | A_Heart_Attack | ... |
| 20:29.07 | A_Heart_Attack | i dont |
| 20:29.11 | A_Heart_Attack | :'( |
| 20:29.17 | Mr_Molez | well your the only 1 that doesn't :P |
| 20:29.25 | wizart | nand me ;) |
| 20:29.30 | A_Heart_Attack | yay |
| 20:29.31 | wizart | grr n n n |
| 20:29.33 | A_Heart_Attack | we should start a club |
| 20:29.38 | Mr_Molez | wizart: maybe the server is down |
| 20:29.51 | Mr_Molez | wizart: or a route to the host is dead |
| 20:29.59 | JeffM2501 | or the bzflag developers baned him |
| 20:30.00 | wizart | No. I couldn't join there for the last half year or so |
| 20:30.17 | wizart | I'm currious how it looks like :) |
| 20:31.11 | Mr_Molez | JeffM2501: banned what ? |
| 20:31.12 | JeffM2501 | his street |
| 20:31.12 | JeffM2501 | I hear it's a jerk |
| 20:31.18 | Mr_Molez | bzflag developers cant ban anything :P |
| 20:31.37 | JeffM2501 | sure we can |
| 20:31.41 | Mr_Molez | nuhuh |
| 20:31.49 | bryjen | wait for it... |
| 20:31.52 | JeffM2501 | I could get admin on your servers right now If I cared ;) |
| 20:31.54 | Mr_Molez | just a list, then just look at the list on the zes site |
| 20:31.59 | wizart | eh |
| 20:32.07 | JeffM2501 | and we controll the groups ;) |
| 20:32.13 | JeffM2501 | all those nice groups with permisions |
| 20:32.21 | Mr_Molez | the groups aint necessary |
| 20:32.26 | JeffM2501 | and that nice list that says "sure he's in that group" |
| 20:32.27 | JBdiGriz | JeffM2501 controls the vertical, brlcad controls the horizontal |
| 20:32.30 | JeffM2501 | no, but a LOT of people use em |
| 20:33.38 | bryjen | well, a lot of people request 'em ;) |
| 20:34.06 | JeffM2501 | we make em |
| 20:34.11 | JeffM2501 | true don't know how many are used |
| 20:34.16 | JeffM2501 | they have a lot of memebers |
| 20:34.29 | JeffM2501 | I see the lists every time I look at my groups |
| 20:35.38 | JeffM2501 | local groups is a good thing |
| 20:35.40 | JeffM2501 | not that we'd ever abbuse globals |
| 20:35.46 | Mr_Molez | nah you just brag about it instead :P |
| 20:36.13 | JeffM2501 | naw, just mess with you :) |
| 20:36.31 | JeffM2501 | that is where the real fun is |
| 20:36.34 | Mr_Molez | oh hehehhee that makes it alright :) |
| 20:36.44 | JeffM2501 | it makes if funny |
| 20:37.21 | Mr_Molez | yes that makes everything ok |
| 20:37.33 | JeffM2501 | I guess some people can dish out the jokes but can't take them |
| 20:37.35 | JeffM2501 | oh well |
| 20:37.52 | JeffM2501 | I'll bet he just got caught in a subnet ban for his ISP |
| 20:37.59 | JeffM2501 | met can give him an exception |
| 20:38.03 | Mr_Molez | but wouldn't it say he is banned ? |
| 20:38.04 | JeffM2501 | if he's setup right |
| 20:38.11 | JeffM2501 | depends how he did it |
| 20:38.18 | JeffM2501 | if he banned it at the firewall level, no |
| 20:38.43 | JeffM2501 | I don't know how the server is set up so it's just a guess |
| 20:38.47 | Mr_Molez | 62ahh yeh could be |
| 20:38.58 | spldart | the beer calls to me... laterz |
| 20:39.02 | wizart | 11 216-55-160-43.dedicated.abac.net (216.55.160.43) 167.199 ms !C 167.273 ms !C 170.715 ms !C |
| 20:39.11 | wizart | wht does that mean in a traceroute ? |
| 20:39.14 | wizart | the C! |
| 20:39.23 | menotume | got me |
| 20:39.26 | DTRemenak | !C, not C! |
| 20:39.26 | Mr_Molez | wizart: try going to http://bzfx.net |
| 20:39.26 | Theme97 | s/C!/!C/ |
| 20:39.52 | menotume | wow, a placeholder ! |
| 20:39.57 | wizart | Molez, That website works |
| 20:39.59 | Theme97 | Yeah, a placeholder! :D |
| 20:40.10 | Theme97 | TD-Linux and I are working on it. :S |
| 20:40.18 | menotume | can i copy that page ? |
| 20:40.28 | JeffM2501 | that would be infringement :) |
| 20:40.41 | JBdiGriz | That depends on the copyright. |
| 20:40.53 | Theme97 | Plesk copyrighted it. ;) |
| 20:41.00 | JeffM2501 | oh I'm sure orily has trademarked and patened it |
| 20:41.02 | bryjen | from the traceroute man page: !A, !C (access to the network or host, respectively, is prohibited) |
| 20:42.46 | Theme97 | Everybody loves spam! Except veggietarians. |
| 20:43.23 | DTRemenak | we don't need another bot |
| 20:43.41 | JeffM2501 | not at all |
| 20:43.42 | Theme97 | I know. |
| 20:44.13 | DTRemenak | if it shows up, we'll probably have a race to ban it :) |
| 20:44.34 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v DTRemenak] by ChanServ |
| 20:44.45 | JeffM2501 | you've got more free time these next 2 days then I do |
| 20:44.56 | DTRemenak | probably true |
| 20:45.00 | Theme97 | First to ban it gets $_COOKIE! |
| 20:45.05 | A_Heart_Attack | ... |
| 20:45.18 | DTRemenak | there's a lot of time down here that's not very well utilized |
| 20:45.24 | JeffM2501 | it'd be an ip ban, so if you ran it, you'db e baned too |
| 20:45.33 | Theme97 | Yep! :D |
| 20:45.55 | Theme97 | He'll never know what hit him! :S |
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| 20:46.16 | Theme97 | No. |
| 20:46.17 | JeffM2501 | 12 |
| 20:46.36 | Theme97 | TD-Linux: ? |
| 20:46.59 | TD-Linux | Theme97: ? |
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| 20:51.38 | amcnabb | There's one thing I've been confused about for a little while. |
| 20:51.55 | amcnabb | From what I've seen, it looks like we have two Player objects for each robot tank |
| 20:52.06 | amcnabb | One in the robots array and one in the players array. |
| 20:52.11 | DTRemenak | if you've only been confused about one thing, you've been doing really well :) |
| 20:52.16 | amcnabb | Is that correct? If so, is there a reason for it? |
| 20:52.19 | amcnabb | :) |
| 20:52.40 | amcnabb | I said "one thing," not "only one thing." :) |
| 20:53.46 | amcnabb | myTank isn't in player[], and it would sort of make sense if robots weren't in player[] either. |
| 20:54.04 | DTRemenak | I dunno. don't have a copy of the sources here |
| 20:54.53 | DTRemenak | if nobody else knows anything, you can ask Chestal, he knows much about the robots. |
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| 20:56.19 | brlcad | gr |
| 20:56.43 | DTRemenak | wb |
| 20:58.16 | brlcad | or implement server-side pausing.. actually pause all players prior to or during a league/timed match, etc |
| 20:58.44 | DTRemenak | sheesh. JeffM2501, do people regularly send 35mb tiff's in email around here? |
| 20:59.06 | blast007 | heh |
| 20:59.43 | DTRemenak | the accompanying message is great too. "read this, it may or may not affect you"... |
| 21:00.05 | brlcad | if it's what I think it is... |
| 21:00.07 | brlcad | it's crazy |
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| 21:02.29 | JeffM2501 | yes I have to beat carla, she didn't know better |
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| 22:28.04 | JeffM2501 | Be mine, sister salvation |
| 22:28.08 | JeffM2501 | Juke Joint Jezebel is coming for my cremation |
| 22:54.48 | DTRemenak | most of my accounts will strip an attachment like that |
| 22:55.11 | brlcad | attachment? :) |
| 22:55.36 | DTRemenak | apparently a lot of people didn't recieve it as is...carla couldn't figure out why :) |
| 22:55.38 | JeffM2501 | she didn't know ok ;) |
| 22:55.52 | DTRemenak | I know :) |
| 22:55.54 | JeffM2501 | the scaner there does tif by default |
| 22:56.08 | JeffM2501 | I got it fine :) |
| 22:56.11 | DTRemenak | talked to her briefly in the dental insurance meeting thing |
| 22:56.14 | DTRemenak | yeah, me too |
| 22:56.20 | JeffM2501 | oh god, you went to that? |
| 22:56.30 | DTRemenak | isy came and pulled me out for it |
| 22:56.34 | JeffM2501 | hah |
| 22:56.40 | DTRemenak | needed the form anyway |
| 22:56.44 | DTRemenak | and the cookies were good |
| 22:56.46 | JeffM2501 | that you probably did |
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| 23:02.22 | uso | if i want to ban e.g. 10.0.0.0/22 i have to ban 10.0.0.*, 10.0.1.*, 10.0.2.* and 10.0.3.* with 4 separate ip bans or is there a smarter way? |
| 23:04.31 | Mr_Molez | 10.0.0.* would do that wont it ? |
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| 23:09.18 | brlcad | uso: you have to do what you suggest |
| 23:09.22 | uso | i would call it unexpected if a 10.0.0.* pattern would ban a 10.0.1.* ip |
| 23:09.32 | brlcad | would make for a nice patch to allow masks |
| 23:09.40 | uso | ok, thx |
| 23:09.47 | brlcad | or even something more powerful like regular expressions |
| 23:10.12 | brlcad | would be pretty easy to tack in, given we have a regex lib provided too |
| 23:10.52 | brlcad | regex ip/hostname bans would make for the most flexibility |
| 23:10.55 | uso | yes, availability on different systems ... |
| 23:11.28 | brlcad | the only hardish part is how to differentiate between the different sorts |
| 23:11.43 | brlcad | between whether globbing was meant or an expression |
| 23:12.09 | brlcad | hmm, could do what php does and add the regex markers // |
| 23:12.42 | brlcad | that'd work |
| 23:12.42 | uso | make it all regexp's ... would give a nice confusion :) |
| 23:12.43 | brlcad | heh, yeah.. i can just see all the server ops trying to figure out regexps |
| 23:12.51 | brlcad | would weed out some of the servers mebbie.. :) |
| 23:13.06 | uso | :) |
| 23:13.14 | brlcad | ~bzflist |
| 23:13.26 | brlcad | yeah, that's way too many .. |
| 23:13.30 | bryjen | IP bans are just the ip on the line. Hostname bans are prefixed host: Regex ones could be prefixed regex: |
| 23:15.43 | brlcad | bryjen: that's used where? during input or storage or both? |
| 23:16.01 | brlcad | ahh, both |
| 23:16.33 | bryjen | i was just looking in the -banfile |
| 23:17.38 | brlcad | hrmph, i'm not too fond of needing to provide that during input -- they can be all figured out with maybe the exception of a bzid: ban |
| 23:17.57 | bryjen | for input there /ban and /hostban |
| 23:18.08 | brlcad | but even then, could just use a different convention.. i think we use #id or :id no? |
| 23:18.40 | bryjen | i donno nuffin' 'bout no id bans |
| 23:18.42 | bryjen | ;) |
| 23:18.56 | brlcad | i'm not real keen on the N various ban commands and various ban tables that have to be separately managed |
| 23:19.14 | menotume | N=3 |
| 23:19.26 | brlcad | that could have easily been all made part of /ban with the right syntax, and just provide /hostban as a shorthand |
| 23:20.05 | menotume | yes, and N varioous unban and banlist |
| 23:20.06 | brlcad | and now we're talking about possibly increasing N to 4 .. or 6ish |
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| 23:21.18 | bryjen | regex id bans? (getting to 6 by allowing regex on all of the 3 existing) |
| 23:21.27 | bryjen | silly brlcas |
| 23:21.33 | brlcad | there should be a consistent means to refer to host/ip/callsign/id for banning/unbanning/polling/etc |
| 23:22.24 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:23.28 | bryjen | you, me, brljan, bryced, ... |
| 23:23.56 | brlcad | exactly! |
| 23:24.24 | brlcad | that darn brycad gets on my nerves |
| 23:24.52 | JeffM2501 | who is brljan? your sister? |
| 23:25.05 | bryjen | your momma! :P |
| 23:25.18 | brlcad | i sure hope she's not.. |
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