| 00:07.07 | spldart | ~query ibot |
| 00:07.21 | spldart | ~msg ibot karma |
| 00:07.25 | spldart | hrm |
| 00:09.53 | JBdiGriz | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:12.57 | Mr_Molez | ~karma spldart |
| 00:12.57 | ibot | spldart has neutral karma |
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| 00:20.24 | Teppic | ~karma Mr_Molez |
| 00:20.25 | ibot | mr_molez has karma of 41 |
| 00:20.39 | Teppic | Is that good? |
| 00:20.46 | Mr_Molez | lets see |
| 00:20.49 | Teppic | Or is it like IQ |
| 00:20.51 | Mr_Molez | ~karma Teppic |
| 00:20.51 | ibot | teppic has karma of 1 |
| 00:21.03 | Mr_Molez | when u do something good people give u karma :P |
| 00:21.14 | Teppic | How? |
| 00:21.27 | Mr_Molez | ~Teppic++ |
| 00:21.30 | Mr_Molez | ~karma Teppic |
| 00:21.31 | ibot | teppic has karma of 2 |
| 00:21.34 | Teppic | lol |
| 00:21.47 | Mr_Molez | some people abuse it though |
| 00:22.17 | Teppic | Well that about sums it up, One good thing back in 88 |
| 00:22.33 | Mr_Molez | ~karma CBG |
| 00:22.33 | ibot | cbg has karma of -367 |
| 00:22.35 | Mr_Molez | heh |
| 00:22.39 | Teppic | lol |
| 00:22.41 | CBG` | cha cha cha |
| 00:22.51 | a_meteorite | :| |
| 00:23.00 | CBG | ~karma shorty114 |
| 00:23.00 | ibot | shorty114 has karma of -448 |
| 00:23.07 | CBG | still some way to go. :( |
| 00:23.11 | Mr_Molez | see people abuse it they think its funny |
| 00:23.37 | Teppic | Kinda useful is you want to know weather or not to believe someone though.... |
| 00:23.54 | CBG | lol ;) |
| 00:25.03 | Mr_Molez | ok im off to watch a movie :P |
| 00:26.18 | Teppic | I'm watching MacGyver!!! |
| 00:26.36 | Mr_Molez | aint that the show from the simpsons ;) |
| 00:26.48 | Teppic | HEATHEN!!! |
| 00:28.11 | CBG | F1/-window doesn't seem to work in HEAD for me... :/ |
| 00:29.39 | blast007 | egads...forgot to give the 'php' user write access to the cache file, so I've been getting the same text message every 5 minutes for the last hour and a half |
| 00:29.56 | CBG | lol blast007 |
| 00:30.49 | blast007 | it's just one of those days :) |
| 00:31.00 | blast007 | at least it's almost over |
| 00:33.06 | CBG | Yeah, I can't get into window'd mode anyway :/ |
| 00:36.31 | blast007 | CBG: SDL build? |
| 00:36.49 | CBG | uhhh |
| 00:37.34 | spldart | ~karma spldart |
| 00:37.34 | ibot | spldart has neutral karma |
| 00:37.45 | CBG | after autogen (or configure, whichever) it said it was ready to build bzflag client, bzfs and said "NO SDL" or something |
| 00:38.48 | CBG | yeah... "BZFlag-2.1.8.20060901 with the following: curses: -lncurses no SDL! bzadmin bzflag client" ... blast007 |
| 00:42.19 | CBG | blast007: and that's likely to be the problem? |
| 00:42.34 | spldart | Why are you trying to get mega negative karma CBG |
| 00:42.47 | CBG | spldart: to get the record...? :) |
| 00:43.08 | spldart | ~karma CBG-- |
| 00:43.10 | ibot | cbg-- has neutral karma |
| 00:43.15 | CBG | heh |
| 00:43.23 | Teppic | ~karma CBG |
| 00:43.23 | ibot | cbg has karma of -367 |
| 00:43.25 | spldart | meh |
| 00:43.54 | spldart | ~CBG-- |
| 00:44.10 | CBG | thanks ;) |
| 00:44.15 | spldart | :) |
| 00:44.37 | Teppic | ~karma CBG |
| 00:44.37 | ibot | cbg has karma of -368 |
| 00:44.52 | spldart | 80 left |
| 00:46.19 | a_meteorite | erm |
| 00:48.15 | spldart | hrm |
| 00:48.42 | spldart | ~JeffM2501++ |
| 00:48.57 | spldart | Didn't know if that would work on an offline user |
| 00:52.30 | CBG | Sure it will. |
| 00:52.44 | Theme97 | Why wouldn't it? |
| 00:53.38 | blast007 | CBG: you'll want an SDL build or else I don't think windowed mode will work |
| 00:53.58 | spldart | cuz someone might have written it to not accept karma credit/debit's to users who aren't even online.. I guess it does though :) |
| 00:54.20 | blast007 | spldart: you can give karma to cheese if you wanted :) |
| 00:54.22 | blast007 | ~cheese++ |
| 00:54.31 | spldart | umm |
| 00:54.32 | spldart | ok |
| 00:54.34 | blast007 | heh |
| 00:54.48 | spldart | ~Ghost_Busters++ |
| 00:56.06 | CBG | blast007: :( ok, what do I have to do to get SDL too? |
| 00:56.18 | Teppic | OS/Distro? |
| 00:56.27 | CBG | Mac OS 10.3.9 |
| 00:56.38 | Teppic | Sorry, not my area |
| 00:56.49 | blast007 | I've heard it's fun on a Mac, though I think that was cuz they were on Intel macs |
| 00:57.01 | blast007 | there is likely something on the forum about it |
| 00:57.11 | CBG | blast007: ok, thanks |
| 00:57.46 | blast007 | maybe even in the Mac readme in the source directory |
| 00:57.58 | blast007 | I never look at those ;) |
| 01:00.50 | spldart | http://www.libsdl.org/download-1.2.php of any help? |
| 01:01.13 | spldart | I had downloaded from them when I got sdl for mingw |
| 01:01.37 | CBG | oh, I thought it was just gonna be like, ./configure --enable-sdl or something... |
| 01:01.56 | CBG | thanks spldart |
| 01:02.13 | spldart | oh.. thought you needed a mac sdl |
| 01:02.30 | CBG | i have no clue |
| 01:02.44 | CBG | but your idea makes mor sense |
| 01:02.46 | CBG | more* |
| 01:03.01 | spldart | for windoze I got a package from them and built but for my debian machines I just used a package from deb |
| 01:04.52 | CBG | well, I did what the SDL readme says, re running ./configure now |
| 01:07.45 | CBG | Yep, worked a charm, thanks spldart :D |
| 01:08.01 | spldart | Yay! |
| 01:08.08 | spldart | hours? |
| 01:08.18 | CBG | hmm, seemed like it. |
| 01:08.29 | spldart | :( |
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| 01:09.15 | spldart | Did you find that tutorial on sdl and opengl on mac? |
| 01:09.34 | CBG | me? spldart |
| 01:09.39 | Teppic | No hours is 'emerge: (71 of 1079) kde-base/kdelibs |
| 01:09.47 | spldart | yeah |
| 01:09.50 | spldart | http://www.meandmark.com/sdlopenglpart1.html |
| 01:10.01 | spldart | But you may already be hooked up |
| 01:10.08 | CBG | spldart: i just downloaded the mac file at the link you gave and followed it's readme. |
| 01:10.24 | CBG | I then reran ./configure and it said SDL was there |
| 01:10.38 | spldart | oh... NM |
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| 01:43.33 | CBG | spldart: still making, after about 40 mins. :| |
| 01:44.12 | Teppic | CBG: At least it hasn't bummed out then. |
| 01:45.22 | CBG | Well, that's true, my iBook never bummed out when making bzflag. Can I be proud of that? |
| 01:45.29 | CBG | "slow but steady" right? |
| 01:46.36 | Teppic | Not 'proud', just 'Glad' |
| 01:47.56 | CBG | I'd be more glad if it didn't take so long... |
| 01:48.22 | CBG | Since I have no idea what I am doing here, I tend to make a small change, test it, make another small edit, test, etc, etc... |
| 01:48.38 | CBG | But with an hour of making in between each one, it gets boring REAL fast. |
| 01:49.24 | Teppic | LOL, erm, you know once you've compiled, you can edit a source file, then make will notice the difference and just recompile the bits it needs to? |
| 01:49.49 | CBG | how does make "notice" |
| 01:49.55 | CBG | it doesn't seem to have here... :| |
| 01:49.56 | menotume | file date |
| 01:50.17 | CBG | well, I only changed one character, in one file, it is still taking 45 mins and counting. |
| 01:50.19 | menotume | there's a list of dependencies |
| 01:50.48 | Teppic | It depends on what file you alter as to how much needs to be recompiled. |
| 01:50.55 | menotume | bzfs depends on bzfs.o which depends on bzfs.cxx which depends on blah.h |
| 01:51.19 | menotume | if you alter a 'global' .h, it may recompile a lot |
| 01:51.22 | CBG | so, in theory, all files could depend on one, ultimately ? |
| 01:51.37 | CBG | I edited player.css iirc |
| 01:51.38 | menotume | huh ? |
| 01:51.43 | CBG | cxx* |
| 01:51.46 | menotume | well ya, like bzflag.h, for example |
| 01:52.02 | Teppic | Yeah, that's the beauty of inheritance |
| 01:52.13 | CBG | beauty..? :| |
| 01:52.17 | menotume | inheritence ? |
| 01:52.19 | CBG | yay it's done. 45 mins... |
| 01:52.20 | Teppic | sorry... |
| 01:52.30 | menotume | well, player is in /game ? |
| 01:52.35 | Teppic | <sarcasm>Yeah, that's the beauty of inheritance</sarcasm> |
| 01:52.44 | menotume | hmm, k |
| 01:52.58 | CBG | uh, errors? make[2]: *** [bzflag] Error 1, make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1, make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 |
| 01:53.07 | menotume | ahhhhh |
| 01:53.11 | menotume | there you go |
| 01:53.16 | Teppic | CBG: what are you trying to do anyhow? |
| 01:53.19 | CBG | it all failed? :/ |
| 01:53.29 | menotume | the make is borked |
| 01:53.36 | menotume | CBG: what are you trying to do anyhow? |
| 01:53.37 | menotume | :P |
| 01:53.38 | CBG | Teppic: make my tank fat, slow and so on. |
| 01:53.45 | CBG | menotume: make my tank fat, slow and so on. |
| 01:54.03 | menotume | oh, have at it then |
| 01:54.21 | CBG | how is make borked? my fault? |
| 01:54.28 | menotume | got me |
| 01:54.37 | menotume | do ./configure again |
| 01:54.43 | CBG | aww man |
| 01:54.44 | Teppic | Did it compile before you altered it? |
| 01:54.53 | menotume | of course, it will have to make everything again |
| 01:55.03 | CBG | Teppic: it compiled before I installed SDL, yes |
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| 01:55.08 | menotume | ah haa |
| 01:55.11 | CBG | yay, another 45 minutes..... |
| 01:55.20 | menotume | do autogen.sh |
| 01:55.28 | CBG | ah |
| 01:55.32 | CBG | yeah, I may have missed that out |
| 01:55.42 | menotume | dunno, but i would do that |
| 01:55.44 | CBG | shot. |
| 01:55.47 | CBG | shoot* |
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| 02:46.04 | spldart | There is definitely a pattern.. If you get up to or at the top of the list on a server the other best start focusing on you and if your not alot better than they are, cuz more than one will be gunn'n for yah, then you will come down a few positions. |
| 02:46.52 | spldart | Ducati really does make the player doesn't it |
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| 03:48.15 | spldart | *crickets* |
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| 04:02.18 | spldart | hehe boxy is a tk magnet |
| 04:02.29 | a_meteorite | coming |
| 04:07.03 | a_meteorite | spldart: several of my admins are there and I don't see a TKer.. |
| 04:07.17 | a_meteorite | must of been earlier? anyways, I think I'll play a few mins of boxy |
| 04:09.54 | spldart | Sorry... was just commenting.. one of the admin's had taken care of it... but made a comment about the other two admin's not taking care of their business |
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| 04:10.21 | supertanker | hello |
| 04:10.36 | supertanker | is it possible to use a BSP format for the maps? |
| 04:10.46 | supertanker | i'm tired of using blender, but i'm an artists with q2 maps |
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| 04:12.42 | supertanker | I'm getting back into map editing since I finally got a new computer |
| 04:13.19 | JBdiGriz | Does the WIN32 2.0.8 release on sourceforge have a maint tag? |
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| 04:45.32 | spldart | Have a weird line in my logfile on the head server... 'pt() from 66.111.56.50:60596 on 7' any idea what might have caused that? |
| 04:46.52 | spldart | Every other line starts with the usual words like Player Global and Identify |
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| 13:51.28 | ircleuser | Has anyone seen the player, "Christopher Reeves Wheelchair" lately? |
| 13:51.47 | spldart | Not in the last several days |
| 13:51.51 | spldart | but almost a week ago |
| 13:52.12 | ircleuser | Someone was just talking about him. What did he do? |
| 13:52.20 | spldart | Cheat client |
| 13:52.32 | ircleuser | Oh. Was he flying around? |
| 13:52.47 | spldart | When I went up against him he was impervious to shots |
| 13:52.56 | Mr_Molez | christopher rulez :P |
| 13:53.07 | ircleuser | lol |
| 13:53.11 | spldart | several of us shot him and he didn't blow up.. no sigfnicant lag |
| 13:53.42 | spldart | You're an anarchist Mr_Molez... I like a measure of that in an individual :) |
| 13:54.24 | Mr_Molez | that is sooo not true :P |
| 13:54.36 | spldart | Hehe |
| 13:55.26 | ircleuser | I love watching cheaters. Sometimes, they're so stupid it's funny. |
| 13:56.13 | CBG | This one guy is nuts, he comes back every few days with a new IP. |
| 13:56.13 | Mr_Molez | christopher aint stupid, nice calm guy.. he shows admins up lol |
| 13:56.16 | CBG | He visits all the servers on the first page of the list, cheats till he is kicked/banned or gets bored, then moves onto the next one. |
| 13:56.17 | spldart | I can see that... Happened to me 3 days ago with a 'wall-walker' on boxy... He was obviously some dumb kid who just got told about the cheat |
| 14:04.04 | Mr_Molez | either that or he is on a dynamic ip :P |
| 14:04.50 | spldart | Ah man! My got packed last night and I missed it! :mad: sick in bed :( |
| 14:05.22 | Mr_Molez | :D |
| 14:05.23 | spldart | I'm thinking he's broadband though. He get's good lag times |
| 14:05.33 | spldart | LOL |
| 14:05.40 | spldart | My server got packed |
| 14:05.48 | spldart | not my fudg... nm |
| 14:05.48 | Mr_Molez | packed ? |
| 14:06.08 | spldart | like 8 players or more |
| 14:06.12 | Mr_Molez | ooo |
| 14:06.13 | Mr_Molez | hehe |
| 14:06.18 | spldart | I might have been on the first page |
| 14:06.28 | spldart | well.. I don't have the bandwidth to support lots of players |
| 14:07.31 | spldart | Crammed full of psuedophed and ibuprofen right now so bad typo's are gonna be a recuring motife |
| 14:08.07 | spldart | I wish I had 1mbit up to go with my 4 or 5 down |
| 14:08.24 | spldart | or is it mbyte |
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| 14:10.57 | spldart | Ah man.... Only one of them was near banning level... *lol and squints @ Molez* hehe |
| 14:12.05 | spldart | "Mother Futher" was his tankname hehe |
| 14:12.06 | Mr_Molez | lol what was that about |
| 14:12.06 | Mr_Molez | ohhhhhhhhh |
| 14:12.06 | spldart | I know how you love ban's |
| 14:12.06 | spldart | I'm just pole'n fun |
| 14:12.06 | spldart | poke'n |
| 14:13.20 | Mr_Molez | i think you need to ease up on that ibuprofen :P |
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| 14:13.20 | spldart | Actually it's the psuedo that's getting me... Stuff is better dreamed than taken straight up |
| 14:13.37 | spldart | But my face is running so... yeah |
| 14:27.08 | Bz_Win | Your face is running? |
| 14:28.12 | spldart | eyes, nose yah know ;) |
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| 14:47.54 | Bz_Win | oh :p |
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| 14:49.12 | A-Delusion | One little detail about legolas post yesterday.. |
| 14:49.28 | A-Delusion | gah sorrry... wrong channel |
| 14:52.16 | brlcad | spldart: looks like truncated output .. "Player [%d] accept() from %s:%d on %i" .. |
| 14:56.52 | spldart | Blast was thinking something similar.. I was just wondering what would have caused it... But it's not important hehe |
| 14:57.18 | spldart | Although it was on the HEAD server so maybe it's a little bug |
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| 15:06.38 | spldart | God I love linux |
| 15:12.01 | Gnurdux | what happened to your linux/ |
| 15:12.10 | Gnurdux | oh, its at college and oyur home? |
| 15:13.11 | A-Delusion | he got kicked out of home. |
| 15:14.28 | Gnurdux | whaa? |
| 15:14.35 | Gnurdux | kicked out of home? |
| 15:14.40 | Gnurdux | or back at college? |
| 15:14.52 | Gnurdux | started on monday |
| 15:15.00 | Gnurdux | but im just starting high school |
| 15:21.51 | spldart | Heh.. My eldest daughter just started HS |
| 15:26.50 | Gnurdux | so shes my age lol |
| 15:26.54 | Gnurdux | so your my parents age |
| 15:27.00 | Gnurdux | probably |
| 15:27.14 | Gnurdux | or maybe a bit younger |
| 15:27.26 | Gnurdux | my sister is about 3 yrs older than me |
| 15:28.03 | [dmp] | Chestal: ping |
| 15:28.28 | spldart | 38 |
| 15:29.50 | spldart | kids are 14, 12, 10, 7, 5 |
| 15:30.01 | Gnurdux | wow thats a lot of kids |
| 15:30.06 | spldart | Brady bunch |
| 15:30.10 | Gnurdux | so you had em quite a bit younger than my parents |
| 15:30.36 | spldart | I made 3 and adopted 2 |
| 15:30.55 | spldart | 14, 12 and 5 are my biologically |
| 15:31.05 | Gnurdux | thats still quite a bit lol |
| 15:31.09 | Gnurdux | 5 i mean |
| 15:31.11 | Gnurdux | not 3 |
| 15:31.21 | Gnurdux | must be "fun" to handle |
| 15:31.30 | spldart | it's a blast |
| 15:31.36 | Gnurdux | im... sure |
| 15:31.38 | spldart | sometimes good sometimes bad hehe |
| 15:31.53 | Gnurdux | do they use linux? |
| 15:31.56 | Gnurdux | :P |
| 15:32.01 | Gnurdux | and/or play bz? |
| 15:32.02 | spldart | But they all play BZ :) |
| 15:32.16 | *** join/#bzflag awright (n=chatzill@wsip-68-14-251-102.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 15:32.17 | spldart | They all have dual boot machines |
| 15:32.28 | Gnurdux | ah ok |
| 15:32.29 | spldart | XP Pro and Debian with either kde, gnome |
| 15:32.35 | Gnurdux | heh |
| 15:32.39 | Gnurdux | technically thats what I have |
| 15:32.47 | Gnurdux | just i havent booted into XP for months and months |
| 15:33.06 | spldart | hehe |
| 15:33.07 | Gnurdux | and that time it was cause i broke my partition table, and linux woulodnt boot |
| 15:33.15 | spldart | oops |
| 15:33.17 | Gnurdux | i used XP to burn a knoppix, and fixed it |
| 15:33.22 | spldart | LOL |
| 15:33.24 | Gnurdux | well, sorta fixed it |
| 15:33.37 | Gnurdux | basically, now grub and linux are misaligned |
| 15:33.55 | Gnurdux | so im booting (hd0, 5) which is /dev/hda5 |
| 15:34.02 | Gnurdux | but it should be /dev/hda6 |
| 15:35.17 | spldart | So... how does your machine boot then? grub still in MBR> |
| 15:35.30 | Gnurdux | yep |
| 15:35.58 | Gnurdux | basically parition table is screwed, grub and linux read it differently |
| 15:36.02 | Gnurdux | actually, windows screwed it to |
| 15:36.04 | spldart | AAHhh |
| 15:36.10 | spldart | Windows doesn't play nice |
| 15:36.13 | Gnurdux | i was trying to get a windows-readable partition |
| 15:36.21 | Gnurdux | and i formatted it for fat32 on linux |
| 15:36.27 | Gnurdux | windows wouldnt read it |
| 15:36.28 | spldart | Ah |
| 15:36.35 | Gnurdux | so i tried to do a reformat on windows |
| 15:36.38 | Gnurdux | it wouldnt let me |
| 15:36.46 | spldart | I alsway make the fat32 in windoze and umask=0000 to rw in linux |
| 15:36.47 | Gnurdux | so on windows, i deleted and remade the partition |
| 15:36.50 | Gnurdux | and that borked it |
| 15:36.54 | spldart | lol |
| 15:36.58 | Gnurdux | so then i gave up on windows :P |
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| 15:37.59 | Gnurdux | im starting to think bzflag isnt going to work in the long-term |
| 15:37.59 | spldart | I have a pattern I always follow... for 1 drive machine.... make small windoze partition and install windows.... make another larger patition and make fat32... then boot debian install disk and use the remainder to partition linux install |
| 15:38.19 | spldart | then nano /etc/fstab and now I ro windows and rw fat32 data parition |
| 15:38.20 | Gnurdux | 2.2 might not happen, which is too bad |
| 15:38.29 | spldart | oh? |
| 15:38.48 | Gnurdux | nobodies coding the server side shot detection |
| 15:38.59 | spldart | oh.. yeah.. Noticed |
| 15:39.02 | Gnurdux | that was supposed to be like the main feature in 2.2 |
| 15:39.10 | spldart | I've been teaching myself C++ but it's slow going ;) |
| 15:39.18 | Gnurdux | and jeff wants to encourage work on 2.2 by preventing stuff from going into 2.0 |
| 15:39.25 | Gnurdux | so 2.0 cant get any new features or even fixes |
| 15:39.26 | spldart | yeah |
| 15:39.35 | Gnurdux | and 2.0 is a piece of shit anyway |
| 15:39.37 | spldart | I understand the logic though |
| 15:39.40 | Gnurdux | actually, the whole bzflag source is |
| 15:39.48 | spldart | careful with the language.... :) |
| 15:39.57 | L4m3r | ~pw |
| 15:39.59 | ibot | [patches welcome] a common response by maintainers of Open Source products. It's roughly means "We don't have much time on our hands, so if you write that feature and send it to us we will likely roll it in. If you don't have the time to write it, we don't either. Stop asking for it." |
| 15:40.06 | Gnurdux | the funny thing is, i would think bzflag needs to be forked |
| 15:40.07 | spldart | It's been known to cause long fights hehehehe |
| 15:40.15 | Gnurdux | and i would also think it needs to be rewritten |
| 15:40.22 | Gnurdux | L4m3r: not asking for it, just commenting |
| 15:40.29 | Gnurdux | and i dont have much experience programming |
| 15:40.44 | Gnurdux | but a fork and a rewrite combined is the same as starting a whole new project ;P |
| 15:40.54 | Gnurdux | i just like the game "style |
| 15:41.29 | L4m3r | If you divide the bzflag project, you will kill it. There are not enough players for the game to survive a fork. |
| 15:41.30 | Mr_Molez | no need for a fork , just offer to check over the new patches and fixes then put them in the source |
| 15:41.36 | spldart | One thing is sure.. IMHO... if BZ forked one route would die and the other would carry on |
| 15:41.46 | Gnurdux | spldart: no |
| 15:41.52 | Gnurdux | one route would die |
| 15:41.54 | L4m3r | you'd kill both |
| 15:41.57 | Gnurdux | but the other one would die too |
| 15:41.59 | Gnurdux | yep |
| 15:42.23 | Gnurdux | Mr_Molez: sure, great idea, but JEFF SAYS NO NEW STUFF in 2.0 |
| 15:42.24 | spldart | the one that survived the longest would gain support IMO but meh.. what do I know |
| 15:42.24 | L4m3r | I think more than anything else, some promotion would save the game |
| 15:42.29 | Gnurdux | and 2.2 isnt gonna get released really |
| 15:42.33 | Mr_Molez | Gnurdux: its not up to jeff to decide |
| 15:42.34 | Gnurdux | so new features wont work |
| 15:42.50 | L4m3r | 2.2 will get released if finished |
| 15:42.52 | Gnurdux | especially because a lot of stuff is being coded for 2.2 |
| 15:42.55 | L4m3r | so get to work :) |
| 15:43.05 | spldart | 'server state' would be good to have before any serious promotion |
| 15:43.11 | spldart | but alas.... |
| 15:43.13 | Gnurdux | *2.0 |
| 15:43.21 | L4m3r | yes, but the game is playable now |
| 15:43.22 | Mr_Molez | i dont think 2.2 should be relased without server state anyway |
| 15:43.33 | Mr_Molez | seems pointless |
| 15:43.36 | Gnurdux | server state is definitely needed |
| 15:43.56 | Gnurdux | the problem with open source projects is they die |
| 15:44.01 | Gnurdux | developers move on |
| 15:44.07 | Gnurdux | timriker moved on |
| 15:44.12 | Gnurdux | and it lasted for a while after that |
| 15:44.13 | spldart | God I wish I could still the coding knowledge out of my brothers head and use it on this project :( |
| 15:44.23 | Gnurdux | but i think its approaching the dead-project stage |
| 15:44.36 | Gnurdux | it CAN be salvaged if server-state is implemented |
| 15:44.46 | Gnurdux | otherwise, they'll either push out 2.2, or they wont |
| 15:44.53 | spldart | s/still/steal |
| 15:44.54 | L4m3r | it's not so much that we're losing devs, it's that they're having trouble making all the huge changes |
| 15:45.01 | Gnurdux | if they dont, people will play 2.0 for a while |
| 15:45.09 | L4m3r | something like a server state is a big thing that requires a team effort |
| 15:45.10 | Gnurdux | but eventually, they will discover it is dead |
| 15:45.27 | Gnurdux | if they do, then that will probably be the last release |
| 15:45.27 | trepan | L4m3r: na, you're losing devs too :) |
| 15:45.33 | Gnurdux | and THEN it will die |
| 15:45.49 | Gnurdux | L4m3r: your a good coder, code up server state :DD |
| 15:45.52 | spldart | That would make me very sad |
| 15:46.14 | Gnurdux | see, I have an idea |
| 15:46.22 | Gnurdux | which is do it sort of like the Linux used to be |
| 15:46.29 | Gnurdux | so have a development track and a stable one |
| 15:46.37 | L4m3r | and again, promotion. If we get some new players (that aren't children) we may get some coders too |
| 15:46.39 | orange_away | yes, I know if there is no release in the next two weeks I'm just not going to play anymore. Imagine a game not having a new release :-/ |
| 15:46.40 | Gnurdux | so keep making 2.0 releases while work on 2.2 is made |
| 15:46.49 | spldart | Dude.. One thing I've noticed... writing a complex program in C is akin in difficulty and expertise to designing say a custom switch mode power supply from scratch... |
| 15:47.04 | orange_away | Gnurdux: that's exactly what is happening |
| 15:47.05 | Gnurdux | heh |
| 15:47.09 | Gnurdux | orange_away, not really |
| 15:47.14 | Gnurdux | 2.0 has stopped |
| 15:47.18 | orange_away | Gnurdux: we're up to 2.0.9 |
| 15:47.27 | Gnurdux | orange_away, but there wont be a 2.0.10 |
| 15:47.40 | Gnurdux | and they arent putting much new stuff in 2.0 |
| 15:47.41 | Mr_Molez | good |
| 15:47.48 | Gnurdux | even stuff that doesnt require proto breaks |
| 15:47.48 | L4m3r | Jeff is rightfully trying to force 2.2 to move. 2.0 is finished. |
| 15:48.00 | Gnurdux | the problem is, it isnt working too well |
| 15:48.03 | Gnurdux | and another thing: |
| 15:48.08 | L4m3r | it's working fine. |
| 15:48.10 | Gnurdux | existing servers use 2.0 |
| 15:48.22 | Gnurdux | so if I code a plugin or mod, i code it for 2.0 |
| 15:48.37 | L4m3r | That's nice. |
| 15:48.43 | Gnurdux | and if i fix something, it cant really get incorporated |
| 15:49.01 | L4m3r | But no one is going to reopen 2.0 just for the sake of instant gratification |
| 15:49.32 | Gnurdux | if 2.2 comes out without server state that would suck |
| 15:49.40 | spldart | why? |
| 15:49.46 | spldart | o9h |
| 15:49.46 | Gnurdux | and then sevrer state could never really happen |
| 15:49.47 | spldart | yeah |
| 15:49.51 | L4m3r | just because 2.2 won't be out tomorrow doesn't mean it's not worth working on |
| 15:49.52 | Mr_Molez | i agree and i see not point to release a new version without server state a waste of time |
| 15:49.56 | Gnurdux | people would probably give up |
| 15:50.08 | Gnurdux | and if it doesnt come out, that would suck |
| 15:50.21 | Gnurdux | so i think sevrer state should happen soon |
| 15:50.22 | orange_away | gloom and doom |
| 15:50.24 | orange_away | why so negative |
| 15:50.30 | Gnurdux | before everyone gives up or anything |
| 15:50.30 | L4m3r | FUD |
| 15:50.38 | awright | so... Is there any documentation of the bzfs protocol, or am I going to need to dig through the source? |
| 15:51.00 | Gnurdux | awright, well, its concentrated in a few places in the source |
| 15:51.05 | Gnurdux | Protocol.h i think |
| 15:51.07 | spldart | I try and stay "If you can't fix the problem then don't complain" much... hehe |
| 15:51.13 | Gnurdux | has a bunch of defines |
| 15:51.22 | L4m3r | it's changing, so no. you'll have to look at the (recent) source |
| 15:51.27 | [dmp] | orange_away: you forget, games are only fun if someone is working on it. Gameplay is SOOO 90ties :) |
| 15:51.43 | orange_away | [dmp]: :-) |
| 15:52.02 | Gnurdux | but change has always been a big part of bzflag |
| 15:52.53 | trepan | http://bzflag.bz/statcvs/authors.html |
| 15:53.04 | [dmp] | ...but without gameplay, nobody would care about changes |
| 15:53.10 | Gnurdux | so: my basic suggestion is, unless you can do server state, you might as well put stuff in 2.0 as well |
| 15:53.31 | trepan | the "All" Author Activity chart is revealing |
| 15:53.34 | Gnurdux | once you start doing server state, and redesigning stuff, maybe have 1 dev responsible for keeping 2.0 up to date |
| 15:53.42 | awright | Ive been looking through the web- CVS, where are the protocol files. I thought we had the source viewable with lxr too...? |
| 15:54.19 | Gnurdux | trepan, yes it is |
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| 15:54.36 | trepan | although i'm not sure that it is up-to-date |
| 15:55.02 | Gnurdux | it is up to date |
| 15:55.07 | Gnurdux | but it contains october |
| 15:55.20 | Gnurdux | hm... i WONDER why nobody committed in october |
| 15:55.52 | L4m3r | it's pretty scarce at July also |
| 15:56.56 | trepan | prolly isn't up-to-date, the commit log page isn't |
| 15:57.09 | awright | Where are thr protocol files? Ive been (re) writing BZFlag::Info in PHP, but the module is for version 1.7 ... |
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| 15:58.16 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ |
| 16:03.08 | awright | A quick krugle search found the files I am looking for (should have thought of that earlier...) |
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| 16:20.24 | Mr_Molez | ~dns cbg.bzflag.org |
| 16:21.51 | spldart | meh... my connection keeps speeding up and slowing down |
| 16:22.03 | Gnurdux | ~dns bzfx.net |
| 16:22.15 | Gnurdux | both are hosted by teh mofo |
| 16:22.44 | Mr_Molez | ~dns cbg.openleague.org |
| 16:28.33 | *** join/#bzflag Skeeve (n=Skeeve@p50895CA5.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 16:41.34 | spldart | Hepcat is laggin to an extreme right now :( |
| 16:42.15 | Mr_Molez | ~dns cbg.openleague.org |
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| 16:47.41 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v SportChick] by ChanServ |
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| 17:07.07 | Skeeve | Hi Mr_Molez... everything rotating? |
| 17:07.45 | CBG | Not EVERYTHING, I hope... |
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| 17:10.40 | Mr_Molez | Skeeve: yup :) |
| 17:10.56 | CBG | aww Mr_Molez :( |
| 17:12.49 | Skeeve | Great! |
| 17:12.56 | Skeeve | good to hear |
| 17:13.04 | *** join/#bzflag compiler_faliure (n=compiler@218.111.37.196) |
| 17:14.11 | compiler_faliure | hello |
| 17:14.15 | blast007 | hi |
| 17:14.33 | Skeeve | I hat it when compiler errors show up ._( |
| 17:14.53 | compiler_faliure | tell me about it :( |
| 17:15.05 | compiler_faliure | I came here hoping for some hints |
| 17:15.12 | awright | ugh. Compiling gentoo right now, 3rd time through. They usually pop up compining somthing X-server related |
| 17:15.32 | awright | Well. Hints on what? |
| 17:15.36 | compiler_faliure | oh! compiling an OS there awright ! |
| 17:15.36 | Skeeve | I had no compiler errors on Mac OS X. Just warnings |
| 17:15.50 | compiler_faliure | I'm trying to compile bzflag on an IRIX box |
| 17:15.56 | compiler_faliure | Octane, SSE graphics |
| 17:16.07 | compiler_faliure | with IRIX 6.5.29 (second from latest) |
| 17:16.07 | cosmos | heh |
| 17:16.08 | Skeeve | AHH! Great Machine! |
| 17:16.12 | Skeeve | I just have an Indy |
| 17:16.28 | compiler_faliure | MIPSpro 7.41 |
| 17:16.31 | compiler_faliure | oh |
| 17:16.49 | *** join/#bzflag [NP]Tangent (n=hyperdev@65.167.130.88) |
| 17:17.02 | Skeeve | Do you compile with gcc? |
| 17:17.28 | compiler_faliure | no, MIPSpro 7.41, with valid license |
| 17:17.49 | compiler_faliure | its not bacause of any missing libs or so |
| 17:18.07 | Skeeve | I thought so. I'd try gcc if compiler errors come up |
| 17:18.08 | compiler_faliure | I've installed the latest versions of all the prereqa |
| 17:18.10 | compiler_faliure | I've installed the latest versions of all the prereqs |
| 17:18.35 | compiler_faliure | the README.IRIX file says MIPSpro compiles fine |
| 17:18.50 | compiler_faliure | funny you should know this game was originally written on an IRIX machine |
| 17:18.50 | Skeeve | Okay |
| 17:18.57 | Skeeve | Didn't know that |
| 17:19.03 | compiler_faliure | I'm using GNU make |
| 17:19.09 | *** join/#bzflag Gengine (i=3a0642ec@gateway/web/cgi-irc/zeebrothers.net/x-f6bbc2c4341cd251) |
| 17:19.18 | Skeeve | I know that it's originall from SGI (sort of) |
| 17:19.36 | Skeeve | I worked for them in the 90s |
| 17:19.53 | Skeeve | That's why Iown an Idny |
| 17:20.35 | blast007 | compiler_faliure: where does it fail? and specific error? |
| 17:20.37 | blast007 | any* |
| 17:20.40 | compiler_faliure | the error it gives me is ld32: ERROR 33 : Unresolved data symbol <data symbol> |
| 17:21.14 | compiler_faliure | its appears to be mislinked objects and so |
| 17:21.32 | compiler_faliure | doesn't seem like a compiler misconfiguration to me |
| 17:22.14 | compiler_faliure | and I installed using the tarball, not the ZIP file. (i.e. I didn't use the autogen.sh, but rather used the prebuilt /.configure) |
| 17:23.11 | compiler_faliure | sesh, did I say install?, I mean trying to compile from the tarball |
| 17:25.43 | compiler_faliure | first I tried to go through the normal route and install autogen and automake and auto* and the whole gnu family, but I was stuck at many of them, each requesting prereqs, so I gave up and fetched the tarball |
| 17:26.35 | compiler_failure | oh well |
| 17:28.41 | blast007 | I don't think many still use IRIX to build/play bz |
| 17:29.30 | blast007 | probably get a better result by posting it as a support request or a bug report on Sourceforge |
| 17:29.33 | compiler_failure | thats right. I'm doing it for fun |
| 17:29.57 | compiler_failure | thanks anyways |
| 17:30.17 | compiler_failure | you're running bz on what? |
| 17:34.51 | blast007 | Windows XP ;) |
| 17:35.13 | compiler_failure | sweet |
| 17:35.16 | blast007 | my linux boxes don't really run X at all.. |
| 17:35.34 | spldart | why? |
| 17:36.01 | compiler_failure | we were taking about OSs, so thats a natural question |
| 17:36.08 | compiler_failure | Skeeve, you said you had only warning |
| 17:36.36 | compiler_failure | what kind? the "this header is only to be used with C99" stuff ? |
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| 17:38.58 | blast007 | spldart: one is a Pentium 133 witha 3GB drive, the other is intended to be a rack server ;) |
| 17:39.16 | compiler_failure | sweet rig |
| 17:39.18 | spldart | Ah... kew.. |
| 17:39.47 | blast007 | yeah, I probably have a whole 600KB of RAM free right now |
| 17:40.20 | spldart | Maybe I should have mailed you my old processors ;) |
| 17:40.29 | compiler_failure | and you have them up doing what? hosting bzflag ? |
| 17:41.10 | blast007 | the crappy one runs IRC, and my IRC bot |
| 17:42.53 | compiler_failure | electricity bill? |
| 17:45.05 | compiler_failure | must be much, running all those old machines |
| 17:46.10 | spldart | You'd be surprised.. the old machine often don't pull near the power of a new one |
| 17:47.45 | compiler_failure | anyways, I play bzflag with my mates, and I have two housemates, they have been blowing me for so long. I need a teammate to give them a lesson. anyone interested in an hour play with newbies (three of us, need either one, or three more people). |
| 17:48.23 | compiler_failure | all on lan, any other guy would be through the internet line, its fast enough though to handle a couple or so players from outside |
| 17:48.41 | Mr_Molez | compiler_failure: what map ? |
| 17:49.04 | compiler_failure | no map, its the "start server" from bzflag the client |
| 17:49.09 | Mr_Molez | ohhh |
| 17:49.10 | Mr_Molez | sure |
| 17:49.16 | compiler_failure | no great shakes :( |
| 17:49.22 | compiler_failure | so you're in? |
| 17:49.25 | Mr_Molez | sure |
| 17:49.43 | spldart | got any observer positions open? |
| 17:49.51 | compiler_failure | sweet sweet :), you'll be on the blue team (with me), server details follows |
| 17:50.02 | compiler_failure | thats with the blue team, not on :) |
| 17:50.26 | compiler_failure | I didn't specify any limits on number of players or so, so I guess yes |
| 17:50.32 | compiler_failure | why don't you play with us though? |
| 17:50.33 | Mr_Molez | k |
| 17:50.33 | Mr_Molez | k |
| 17:50.48 | spldart | essentially I'm asking if you would be ok with me watching for a minute or two :) |
| 17:50.58 | spldart | Then you would need 3 |
| 17:51.14 | spldart | And I'm also not playing good today... Doped up on cough and cold medicine |
| 17:51.20 | spldart | I've been real sick |
| 17:51.21 | Mr_Molez | spldart: wanna see my ereet skill :P ? |
| 17:51.30 | spldart | yeppers |
| 17:51.43 | spldart | I guess if someone else joins in I'll grab the other team |
| 17:51.46 | Mr_Molez | don't blame u, I would want to watch so I could drool aswell :P |
| 17:51.52 | spldart | LOLOL |
| 17:52.13 | spldart | I'm a voyeur |
| 17:52.36 | Mr_Molez | arnt we all |
| 17:52.40 | CBG | Is there a separate masterban list for 2.1? :) |
| 17:52.43 | spldart | Hey... That'd make a great bzadmin name |
| 17:52.46 | compiler_failure | all newbies |
| 17:52.52 | spldart | don't think so cbg... |
| 17:53.12 | compiler_failure | server details sent, join the game guys |
| 17:53.15 | CBG | aw shucks. so I can't test 2.1.x cheats on public 2.1 servers? :P |
| 17:53.18 | Mr_Molez | sent where ? |
| 17:53.39 | spldart | ?? |
| 17:54.07 | spldart | LOL |
| 17:54.09 | CBG | ??? |
| 17:54.10 | compiler_failure | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:54.20 | Mr_Molez | i didn't get it ;) |
| 17:54.31 | Mr_Molez | you need to be registered to send /msg's |
| 17:54.37 | spldart | CBG do you want to use my server with special dispensation to test your cheat on some bots for a little while? |
| 17:54.41 | compiler_failure | oh! |
| 17:55.04 | spldart | I only get 1 to 3 users a day on 2.1 |
| 17:55.07 | compiler_failure | and how do I register? |
| 17:55.18 | CBG | spldart: hmm, well, I am having make errors right now, but I was testing there last night :P |
| 17:55.21 | spldart | I'm currently building a knew 2.1.x bzfs though |
| 17:55.27 | spldart | I noticed :) |
| 17:55.38 | spldart | s/knew/new |
| 17:55.49 | CBG | It was empty, didn't think I would get in trouble for cheating against myself :P |
| 17:55.54 | CBG | s/would/could/ |
| 17:56.15 | spldart | It's kew |
| 17:56.18 | spldart | I know you |
| 17:56.19 | compiler_failure | nevermind, here's the IP |
| 17:56.22 | compiler_failure | 218.111.37.196 |
| 17:56.25 | CBG | spldart: thanks :) |
| 17:56.29 | Mr_Molez | CBG: your allowed to cheat publically aslong as there is no cheat advertisements |
| 17:56.30 | spldart | :) |
| 17:56.38 | spldart | LOL |
| 17:56.42 | CBG | lol Mr_Molez |
| 17:56.44 | spldart | I knew that was coming Mr |
| 17:56.54 | compiler_failure | got that? |
| 17:56.56 | CBG | cheating is ok if I don't make a blog about it. ..? |
| 17:56.58 | spldart | yeah |
| 17:56.59 | Mr_Molez | CBG: yeh |
| 17:57.03 | compiler_failure | great |
| 17:57.13 | Mr_Molez | blogs are cool though |
| 17:57.18 | Mr_Molez | compiler_failure: be there in a sec |
| 17:57.26 | compiler_failure | ok |
| 17:57.45 | CBG | compiler_failure: can I come along to? me and spldart could make it 3v3 maybe? |
| 17:57.56 | spldart | oop |
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| 18:20.34 | Birdie | some guy with few lag, playing vs him, shoot all the time through him, he stops, says "wtf", i shoot through him again when just standing before him, and than he leaves:) |
| 18:20.54 | casted | Hi. Does bzflag support wide screen resolutions? |
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| 18:29.16 | casted | I ask this because when i run in fullscreen mode, half of the screens obstacles disappear, but if i go into windowed mode(with a standard resolution) it works |
| 18:32.07 | Mr_Molez | casted: try changing the resolution within bzflag |
| 18:32.16 | casted | okay |
| 18:33.11 | casted | w00t. it works :) |
| 18:33.15 | casted | thanks Mr_Molez |
| 18:33.18 | Mr_Molez | np |
| 18:33.33 | casted | i had too do it with the command line though, couldn't do it from bzflag |
| 18:34.10 | spldart | what was the tank's name Birdie? |
| 18:34.37 | compiler_failure | great game, thanks guys |
| 18:35.01 | compiler_failure | where is cannonball ? |
| 18:35.04 | spldart | I would have been more fun if my head weren't teh pounding... but yeah fun :) |
| 18:35.12 | spldart | CBG is in here |
| 18:35.27 | spldart | Maybe he went to another BZ server |
| 18:35.30 | compiler_failure | great for us I mean, I'm sure the generic maps are no place for pros! |
| 18:35.51 | spldart | some of the REAL pro's prefer maps like that |
| 18:35.55 | compiler_failure | I see him, he's still observing |
| 18:35.56 | spldart | But only 3 shot or maybe 1 shot |
| 18:36.09 | spldart | and no jump hehe |
| 18:36.14 | compiler_failure | oh, the guys here like to let the shots roll without stop |
| 18:36.16 | compiler_failure | heh |
| 18:36.30 | spldart | That can be fun at times :) |
| 18:36.43 | compiler_failure | :) |
| 18:37.04 | compiler_failure | but he fried both of them |
| 18:37.48 | compiler_failure | I mean I was far away most of the time, and he was constantly frying them, if you heard the screams from the next room, shouting and cursing. haha, i couldn't stop laughing |
| 18:38.52 | compiler_failure | spldart, where you from? |
| 18:40.43 | compiler_failure | I was wondering.. cause some people (even far away) don't seem to have lag problems. It must be some specific routes with certain countries |
| 18:43.40 | CBG | compiler_failure: yeah, good game, thanks :) |
| 18:43.57 | compiler_failure | hey! thanks ! lol |
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| 18:55.44 | spldart | US, Texas |
| 18:57.09 | compiler_faliure | even farther than the UK.. explains the lag. how bad was it? not more than 200ms was it ? |
| 18:57.27 | spldart | I was over 200 |
| 18:57.41 | spldart | Molez was varying 300 to 400 IIRC |
| 18:57.56 | compiler_faliure | oh |
| 18:58.16 | spldart | I was often shooting right through him hehe |
| 18:58.27 | compiler_faliure | btw, thanks Mr_Molez |
| 18:58.31 | Mr_Molez | :D |
| 18:58.48 | spldart | You probably shot through me too eh Mr_Molez? |
| 18:58.51 | compiler_faliure | I didn't have that problem, my shots hit and blew normally (not that they are plenty) |
| 18:59.00 | Mr_Molez | spldart: shot through everyone :P |
| 18:59.06 | compiler_faliure | were* |
| 18:59.08 | compiler_faliure | lol |
| 18:59.13 | spldart | You were between the lag's Compiler |
| 18:59.23 | Mr_Molez | took me 2 seconds before my tank picked up the flag when i drove over it |
| 18:59.36 | compiler_faliure | ! |
| 18:59.42 | compiler_faliure | Mr_Molez, you from? |
| 18:59.45 | spldart | Sometimes I would be after CBG or Molez and the combined lag would sometimes reach near a second |
| 18:59.51 | Mr_Molez | compiler_faliure: UK |
| 19:00.15 | spldart | I had the delayed flag thing happen too hehe |
| 19:01.26 | compiler_faliure | sometimes its slow, and other times its fast. BTW, is the lag always caused by the connection? could it be, say, my computer is unable to serve 6 people and keep up? |
| 19:01.59 | Mr_Molez | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:02.04 | CBG | Well, your connection may not be able to support that many players... |
| 19:02.07 | Mr_Molez | compiler_faliure: what connection speed u got ? |
| 19:02.14 | CBG | But the issue was really just geographic location. |
| 19:02.15 | compiler_faliure | 1mb/384 |
| 19:02.27 | CBG | We are all on opposite sides of the world, 400ms is to be expected there. |
| 19:02.38 | CBG | Especially on your home connection. |
| 19:02.40 | Mr_Molez | yeh it was just the geographic location |
| 19:02.51 | CBG | I get over 200ms on a dedicated server (100mbps line) in the USA... |
| 19:03.00 | compiler_faliure | CBG what kind of lag did you get? you sure didn't seem to have any problems (blowing everyone) |
| 19:03.12 | CBG | over 400ms usually |
| 19:03.17 | CBG | I was just spraying bullets... |
| 19:03.21 | Mr_Molez | cbg had 100 more than me he had 500ms |
| 19:03.36 | CBG | With that many bullets and that lag, it makes sense to just spray and pray. |
| 19:03.48 | compiler_faliure | lol |
| 19:04.47 | CBG | I usually play on servers with under 200ms and 3 shots. ;) |
| 19:05.03 | CBG | I normally demonstrate a little more skill :) |
| 19:05.09 | CBG | well, I like to think so :P |
| 19:05.47 | compiler_faliure | hehehe |
| 19:05.48 | compiler_faliure | lol |
| 19:06.26 | compiler_faliure | immediately after the game finished, my two housemates rushed into my room: who the hell was that? |
| 19:06.44 | CBG | compiler_faliure: lol :) |
| 19:06.51 | compiler_faliure | but |
| 19:07.07 | compiler_faliure | I was hoping to put the good ol' irix box up and let it serve the game |
| 19:08.06 | compiler_faliure | that way I can have better control |
| 19:08.27 | compiler_faliure | I mean running a bzfs from a command line? from windows? the windows CMD? goodness |
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| 19:08.43 | CBG | heh compiler_faliure |
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| 19:20.14 | Birdie | spldart: forgot |
| 19:20.36 | Skeeve | too bad I couldn't join that game :-( My parents were on a visit. |
| 19:23.11 | spldart | NP |
| 19:23.50 | spldart | I've been running into numerous questionable players lately and some obvious cheats and was curios if I ran across the guy your talking about |
| 19:24.13 | Birdie | but it was like he forgot to put his cheat off |
| 19:24.22 | Birdie | cause he noticed he was unkillable |
| 19:24.45 | Skeeve | I hope 2.2 (2.1) will quit most possibility for cheating |
| 19:25.06 | Skeeve | I especially hate those MG cheats on bdgerking :-( |
| 19:25.11 | Skeeve | +a |
| 19:25.19 | Bz_Win | MG cheats? |
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| 19:25.25 | spldart | LOL... that would be a riot.. Oops I forgot to change clients duh |
| 19:25.48 | Skeeve | Ever played on badgerking? The MG reaches far. But not as far as the MG of some of the players |
| 19:27.14 | Bz_Win | It seems to occur when you shoot a very short burst |
| 19:27.25 | spldart | I wonder if the idea of clients auto determining that one client is not reacting within game logic and thus taking an action would be easier to implement than server side logic |
| 19:27.37 | Bz_Win | Ive done it with my standard realese 2.0.8 client... |
| 19:28.02 | CBG | Done WHAT exactly? |
| 19:28.34 | Skeeve | So like hardware Auto fire? Just short pulses of fire button presses? |
| 19:29.16 | spldart | hehe... I've done that cheat on a different game |
| 19:29.21 | spldart | if you could call it a cheat |
| 19:30.10 | spldart | logic gate oscillator in mouse to actuate left click at an adjustable auto rate |
| 19:30.54 | spldart | Added that feature to an old joystick way back in teh day too.. Before it was offered on some |
| 19:32.09 | Skeeve | Any forum admin around? We have SPAM |
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| 19:32.21 | CBG | Skeeve: don't worry |
| 19:32.26 | CBG | I sent a memo to Jeff... |
| 19:32.31 | spldart | Yay! spam on toast |
| 19:32.38 | Guest270 | was ist das |
| 19:32.47 | Skeeve | Spam? Ist Werbung |
| 19:32.49 | Guest270 | hello what is that |
| 19:32.50 | spldart | an irc channel |
| 19:32.53 | Skeeve | Unerwünschte Werbung |
| 19:33.10 | Guest270 | what is an irc channel |
| 19:33.22 | spldart | The place you are now |
| 19:33.45 | CBG | Google for "IRC"... |
| 19:33.52 | Guest270 | achso dann bin ich falsch ich suche cheats für bzflag |
| 19:34.11 | Guest270 | könnt ihr mir helfen |
| 19:34.27 | Guest270 | bitte |
| 19:34.27 | spldart | No cheat passing out here |
| 19:34.38 | Guest270 | ok thankyou bye |
| 19:34.43 | *** part/#bzflag Guest270 (i=543e9546@gateway/web/cgi-irc/zeebrothers.net/x-cb1745e895844344) |
| 19:36.10 | CBG | He wanted cheats..? |
| 19:36.18 | spldart | wasn't sure |
| 19:37.23 | spldart | He wanted help and I thought the statement before that was asking about cheats |
| 19:38.53 | spldart | I wonder if he thought I was calling him spam on toast :confused: |
| 19:38.55 | spldart | heh |
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| 19:41.19 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JBdiGriz] by ChanServ |
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| 19:46.29 | Skeeve | achso dann bin ich falsch ich suche cheats für bzflag means: "Oh! Then I'm wrong here because I'm searching for cheats for bzflag" |
| 19:47.15 | Skeeve | so spldarts was right |
| 19:49.43 | spldart | sweet |
| 19:49.45 | spldart | I wasn't sure |
| 19:50.12 | Skeeve | Too bad he left |
| 19:50.18 | spldart | ? |
| 19:50.26 | Skeeve | I would have asked him what's the fun about cheating |
| 19:50.38 | spldart | hehe |
| 19:51.18 | Skeeve | I'm really curious |
| 19:51.27 | spldart | really? |
| 19:51.47 | spldart | There is a thrill of doing something your not suppossed to and others can't do n'stuff |
| 19:56.32 | trepan | not that different from taking candy from toddlers |
| 19:56.58 | trepan | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:58.41 | Skeeve | Hmmm... |
| 20:02.10 | spldart | I remember what it was like to do things I wasn't suppossed to as a kid... And most adults consider that juvenile... but it was still fun... |
| 20:02.24 | spldart | kid = teenager in this instance |
| 20:02.56 | trepan | like hitting other kids? |
| 20:03.00 | spldart | And to continue trepan's analogy... Then you would liken an average bzflag player to a 3 y/o? |
| 20:03.33 | spldart | I only hit bullies... but I did enjoy it :) |
| 20:04.56 | spldart | I was more thinking of things like cutting class, etc. |
| 20:05.40 | spldart | Since physical violence and theft are hardly comparable to cheating a game on the internet |
| 20:06.35 | Mr_Molez | Pimpinella: is there any chance of u making some more 1vs1 servers.. they're full all day |
| 20:08.19 | Birdie | ask catay:) |
| 20:09.01 | Mr_Molez | catay's servers are laggy |
| 20:09.12 | Mr_Molez | 4ms jit atleast |
| 20:09.21 | Birdie | really? |
| 20:09.23 | Birdie | hm |
| 20:09.24 | Mr_Molez | yeh |
| 20:12.06 | Mr_Molez | its running on his home connection i think |
| 20:12.11 | Mr_Molez | and he always has bad jitter anyway |
| 20:12.45 | Birdie | not his home connection i think |
| 20:14.34 | Mr_Molez | ~dns catay.bzflag.be |
| 20:14.43 | Mr_Molez | ~dns bzflag.catay.be |
| 20:15.02 | Mr_Molez | ~dns 1vs1.catay.be |
| 20:23.48 | Bz_Win | more bzbb spam.. |
| 20:25.27 | Pimpinella | Mr_Molez: yes, i?ll make some more |
| 20:27.20 | Mr_Molez | yay |
| 20:27.31 | Mr_Molez | Pimpinella: any idea when you will have time to do it ? |
| 20:27.51 | Pimpinella | probably right now |
| 20:29.42 | Mr_Molez | wow nice :) |
| 20:31.37 | catay | Mr_Molez: it's not my home connection :p |
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| 20:32.50 | Pimpinella | Mr_Molez: 5161 and 5162 |
| 20:33.14 | Pimpinella | bbl |
| 20:34.08 | brlcad | compiler_faliure: heh, just reading the log (and just waking up so bare with) .. |
| 20:35.44 | brlcad | did you get the compile to work with mipspro? (i usually do the irix builds, fwiw) |
| 20:42.20 | brlcad | compiler_faliure: I presume you read README.IRIX at least, it can compile on IRIX but it does take a little massaging sometimes (it will run autogen.sh too, but you have to install all the right tools (ac, am, lt, perl, m4 iirc)) |
| 20:50.37 | CBG | lol, my brother called me a cheater on pillbox, in public. |
| 20:51.37 | Mr_Molez | catay: may aswell be ;) |
| 20:51.57 | Mr_Molez | CBG: oh you mean the same as you say to everyone ? |
| 20:52.11 | CBG | Bah, not usually in public :P |
| 20:52.21 | CBG | And not without good reason... :P |
| 20:52.29 | Mr_Molez | nnah you only call whole teams cheats when you say it publically :D |
| 20:52.49 | CBG | yeah, so it's different |
| 20:53.05 | CBG | more personal when a single person is called a cheat |
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| 21:05.26 | spldart | My brother never did that to me CBG! LOL |
| 21:16.36 | ruskie | :( |
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| 21:28.46 | *** part/#bzflag kierra (n=Les@fl-71-0-157-249.dyn.embarqhsd.net) |
| 21:30.53 | tokimi | ~cvs2.0 |
| 21:31.14 | menotume | V2_0branch |
| 21:32.13 | CBG | ~bzcvs |
| 21:32.15 | ibot | cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P bzflag (this is for HEAD ie: 2.1 see also bz20cvs) |
| 21:32.21 | CBG | ~bz20cvs |
| 21:32.22 | ibot | cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P -r v2_0branch bzflag |
| 21:32.44 | tokimi | :) |
| 21:32.48 | tokimi | ~cbg-- |
| 21:32.54 | CBG | :D |
| 21:39.24 | CBG | Hmm, still got make errors and I don't know why: http://cbg.sh.nu:5120/makeerrors.txt |
| 21:39.53 | CBG | I successfully built the same code before, the only change is that I now installed SDL. |
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| 21:45.53 | CBG | It's just plain head source from about 24 hours ago and it built fine before I installed SDL, so... :( |
| 21:53.20 | awright | Is there some format to the bzflag list server - http://my.bzflag.org/db/?action=LIST |
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| 22:26.53 | brlcad | awright: of course |
| 22:27.55 | brlcad | ip:port version server_string ip description |
| 22:27.56 | spldart_siknbed | alexis12 |
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| 22:53.14 | Skeeve | Who manages stats.bzflag.org? |
| 22:56.06 | awright | right now? no one... |
| 22:56.16 | Skeeve | In general. |
| 22:56.24 | Skeeve | I have an RFE |
| 22:56.38 | [dmp] | in general nobody manages it :) |
| 22:57.02 | awright | It says Tucker McLean, but he last updayed it in 2003. *someone* has been there to update the protocol, though |
| 22:58.14 | Skeeve | Great :-( The "email me" leads to an expired domain :-( |
| 22:58.44 | [dmp] | Skeeve: what is the problem? |
| 22:58.55 | Skeeve | No problem |
| 22:59.05 | Skeeve | Just an enhancement I'd like to see |
| 22:59.25 | [dmp] | ..which is? |
| 22:59.26 | [dmp] | :) |
| 22:59.55 | Skeeve | On the "Current Players" page you see the team each player is on |
| 23:00.09 | Skeeve | on the page for each player, you don't see it |
| 23:00.14 | [dmp] | there are better ones out there |
| 23:00.22 | Skeeve | I'd love to see the team there too - if possible |
| 23:00.29 | [dmp] | bzstats.strayer.de shows teams |
| 23:00.29 | Mr_Molez | team for what league thouhg ? |
| 23:01.10 | Skeeve | League? I need no league ;-? |
| 23:01.17 | Skeeve | -?+) |
| 23:01.20 | Mr_Molez | then team of what ? |
| 23:01.35 | Skeeve | The color |
| 23:01.42 | Skeeve | Purple, red, blue... |
| 23:01.44 | Mr_Molez | ohhhhhhhhhh |
| 23:01.58 | [dmp] | zeebrothers, strayers does that too |
| 23:02.08 | Mr_Molez | zee brohers is the best it updates instantly |
| 23:02.19 | [dmp] | and m.b.o? |
| 23:02.35 | [dmp] | m.b.o also shows team colors |
| 23:02.41 | Skeeve | zeebrothers? |
| 23:02.49 | [dmp] | zeebrothers.net |
| 23:03.41 | Mr_Molez | [dmp]: it does :) |
| 23:03.44 | Skeeve | nevermind... Both of them might help. Thanks |
| 23:03.46 | Mr_Molez | instantly i tell you, muhahahhaa |
| 23:04.19 | [dmp] | ..right :) |
| 23:04.25 | Mr_Molez | it does :((((((((( |
| 23:04.27 | Mr_Molez | try it ;) |
| 23:05.01 | Skeeve | OTOH: I'd still need stats to see when my "buddies" were online |
| 23:05.30 | [dmp] | Skeeve: why dont you check out zeebrothers, bzstats.strayer.de first |
| 23:06.02 | Mr_Molez | Skeeve: have a look at bzmanager :P |
| 23:06.17 | Skeeve | what's bzmanager then? |
| 23:06.22 | Mr_Molez | its a program |
| 23:06.28 | Mr_Molez | u can put a list of all ur friend on there |
| 23:06.42 | Mr_Molez | and it popups a little box in the corner when they go on a server |
| 23:06.52 | Mr_Molez | 5 min delay ofcourse :( |
| 23:07.26 | Skeeve | I need ages to get that running, I fear |
| 23:07.40 | Mr_Molez | just python and a few other things |
| 23:08.09 | Skeeve | And Windows or Linux |
| 23:08.20 | Mr_Molez | yeh much easier to use zee's :P |
| 23:08.27 | Mr_Molez | [dmp]: did you test it :P |
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| 23:08.44 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v bryjen] by ChanServ |
| 23:08.55 | Mr_Molez | [dmp]: btw hows ur gps going ? |
| 23:09.16 | Skeeve | zeebrothers doesn't seem to list bzflag.wnc.or.at |
| 23:09.17 | [dmp] | Mr_Molez: got a beta, but needs testing a polishing |
| 23:09.39 | Mr_Molez | bzflag.wnc was closed down wasn't it |
| 23:09.45 | [dmp] | that would probably be an alfa. |
| 23:09.52 | Mr_Molez | [dmp]: tell me if u need a tester :P i love the idea of it |
| 23:10.00 | Skeeve | I was there just today |
| 23:10.14 | Mr_Molez | ~bzfquery bzflag.wnc.or.at |
| 23:10.21 | Mr_Molez | ohh |
| 23:10.22 | CBG | You can have a list of buddies on zeebrothers. |
| 23:10.41 | CBG | And it tells you as soon as you visit the site which buddies are on and where... |
| 23:10.51 | Skeeve | I see... Currently I have a little perl script that checks stats every 5 minutes |
| 23:11.24 | Skeeve | I would have to adapt that to allow for cookies so that I can use zeebrothers |
| 23:11.54 | CBG | If you already use a scritp, try strayer's. |
| 23:11.56 | CBG | script* |
| 23:12.09 | CBG | Maybe that doesn't need cookies, I dunno. |
| 23:12.27 | CBG | Both tell you the color, I suggested zee's because it has the buddy list already.. |
| 23:12.53 | Skeeve | but strayer is .de like I am |
| 23:12.59 | Mr_Molez | hmm weird... maybe i just caught it at the right time when i saw it update instaly |
| 23:13.12 | CBG | Skeeve: zee's are probably german too |
| 23:13.32 | CBG | the original zee brothers were europeans, I think germans. |
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| 23:13.35 | CBG | Mr_Molez: is that right? |
| 23:13.41 | Mr_Molez | CBG: that may be right |
| 23:13.46 | [dmp] | Mr_Molez: they all work alike. They query the listserver, and then ask each server for info. Then wait, and do it again. Etc. It cannot be instantly, without using alot of resources at all servers |
| 23:13.59 | [dmp] | Mr_Molez: thats why i decided to use a plugin for gps. |
| 23:14.12 | CBG | I notice "lag" (lol) more on strayer's... |
| 23:14.24 | CBG | But I use it because it has the leagues stuff built in. |
| 23:14.53 | CBG | One time I had all my fave players from GU league as buddies on the zees site, but they only allow 40 so it didn't work so well. |
| 23:14.58 | [dmp] | CBG: how about my homepages, are they "laggy" ? |
| 23:15.01 | Skeeve | Again: On the player's page you don't see the team's color |
| 23:15.11 | Skeeve | So 2 pages 2 query |
| 23:15.14 | CBG | [dmp]: I mean the update-time... |
| 23:15.18 | [dmp] | CBG: aah |
| 23:15.18 | CBG | not load times. :) |
| 23:15.26 | [dmp] | CBG: thats just because he is nice to serverowners :) |
| 23:15.40 | CBG | Yes, but not to players :P |
| 23:15.54 | CBG | I hate thinking "oh, my mate is on" and I go there to find he already left... :( |
| 23:15.55 | [dmp] | CBG: if you want real-time information, join as observer :-) |
| 23:16.02 | CBG | pish |
| 23:16.18 | CBG | these sites were invented because people shouldn't have to do that. |
| 23:16.27 | CBG | I think GPS will go some way to helping it though... right? |
| 23:16.29 | Skeeve | zeebrothers doesn't have a history (last seen) |
| 23:16.37 | Mr_Molez | once dmp finishes his plugin all bzflag's problems will be solved |
| 23:16.45 | CBG | It will say "Your teammate just logged onto some server", no? :) |
| 23:17.01 | Skeeve | strayer doesn't search for the "identical" name. So searching for "Skeeve" gives you 2 hits |
| 23:17.02 | [dmp] | Mr_Molez: You're hired. I need a PR guy with no sense of whatever he talks about :) |
| 23:17.09 | Mr_Molez | hahahhah |
| 23:17.24 | [dmp] | CBG: hopefully :) |
| 23:17.45 | Skeeve | [dmp] Hire *any* PR guy |
| 23:17.45 | CBG | Aww, why choose Mr_Molez ?!? |
| 23:17.47 | CBG | Skeeve: hmm, you're more picky than the rest of us :P |
| 23:17.53 | Skeeve | No one has any sense of anything |
| 23:18.05 | Skeeve | Yes, I am, CBG |
| 23:18.16 | [dmp] | You're welcome, Skeeve |
| 23:18.20 | Skeeve | That's why I usually write my own programs |
| 23:18.33 | Mr_Molez | ive always liked the idea of a global chat system |
| 23:18.46 | Mr_Molez | within bzflag ofcourse |
| 23:18.49 | Skeeve | Don't insult me, [dmp] |
| 23:19.04 | Skeeve | I'm working in IT and PR is a heavy insult! |
| 23:19.22 | [dmp] | ooo |
| 23:19.47 | Skeeve | Oh! Milka is gone |
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| 23:21.01 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o purple_cow] by ChanServ |
| 23:22.35 | Skeeve | Ah! Milka is ack! |
| 23:22.41 | Skeeve | *back |
| 23:23.57 | Skeeve | But for now! Goodnight! |
| 23:24.05 | Mr_Molez | nighty night :P |
| 23:24.30 | CBG | Ciao. |
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| 23:34.10 | teatree | Hello |
| 23:34.49 | Chestal | hi tea |
| 23:34.54 | teatree | aaah |
| 23:34.55 | teatree | ;D |
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| 23:56.00 | awright | Yeay! I have spent the last 7 hours rewriting BZFlag::Info in PHP. Im done! |
| 23:56.46 | a_meteorite | awright: Wow! Are you going to share? |
| 23:56.52 | awright | sure |
| 23:56.54 | awright | http://bzflag.redjacket.ws/serverlist |
| 23:57.09 | a_meteorite | OK, I think I'll take a look a little later. :) |
| 23:57.16 | a_meteorite | I'm in a training mission in America's Army. |
| 23:57.28 | awright | shoulda mentioned AAA is exclusive to BZFlag |
| 23:59.09 | blast007 | awright: was that bzfquery.php helpful? |
| 23:59.33 | awright | yes, very much so. I have some code "borrowed". |
| 23:59.40 | blast007 | :) |
| 23:59.52 | awright | Will post sources within minutes |
| 23:59.59 | blast007 | k |