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| 00:06.56 | JeffM2501 | http://www.opencombat.net/files/bins/pp_test9-13-06.zip |
| 00:08.41 | JeffM2501 | if you can, could you test the bzw it makes? I can't test it here, I based it on the output of model tool |
| 00:13.46 | spldart_bz | back |
| 00:14.01 | spldart_bz | lemme see |
| 00:15.04 | spldart_bz | Can I create a fresh object or do I import one? |
| 00:15.05 | JeffM2501 | it always slaps a texture on it, and you can't set the color |
| 00:15.12 | JeffM2501 | you have to import |
| 00:15.14 | spldart_bz | k |
| 00:15.15 | JeffM2501 | as it is not a modeler |
| 00:15.21 | spldart_bz | thought that was the case |
| 00:15.25 | JeffM2501 | it has no geometric creation abilitys |
| 00:15.34 | JeffM2501 | just texturing |
| 00:16.06 | JeffM2501 | I'll add some features to rotate the objects as well, to fix the wingz Y -> Z problem |
| 00:16.30 | spldart_bz | Ok.. I've imported obj I had... Am I just testing the exporter? |
| 00:16.38 | JeffM2501 | if you could please |
| 00:16.43 | spldart_bz | lemme try |
| 00:21.50 | spldart_bz | It seems to have worked |
| 00:22.13 | spldart_bz | the bzw object export was accepted with no error by bzfs.. |
| 00:22.29 | spldart_bz | My position though was centered on z axis so it moves funny hehe but that's my fault |
| 00:22.39 | spldart_bz | spdart.opencombat.net:5156 |
| 00:22.43 | spldart_bz | 2.0.x |
| 00:26.05 | JeffM2501 | I can't play here, I'm at work |
| 00:26.13 | JeffM2501 | just curious of it worked or not :) |
| 00:26.14 | spldart_bz | ok.. I'll take it down |
| 00:26.16 | spldart_bz | it works |
| 00:26.26 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 00:26.53 | spldart_bz | forgot you had said you couldn't test it there *slaps forhead* |
| 00:27.24 | Theme97 | spldart_bz: The inside of the... thingy... isn't exactly flat, is it? |
| 00:27.30 | spldart_bz | No |
| 00:27.45 | spldart_bz | The final version for the wartowers has an arc floor and arc trimring |
| 00:27.49 | spldart_bz | for ease of driving |
| 00:28.03 | JeffM2501 | arcs... that's why I won't do import :) |
| 00:28.10 | spldart_bz | heh |
| 00:28.23 | JeffM2501 | too many difrent options |
| 00:32.42 | JeffM2501 | probably would be prety easy too to make a function that flatens out selected faces, to make them easyer to drive on |
| 00:34.41 | spldart | that would be cool actually |
| 00:35.38 | spldart | I know there is a way to do that in wing3d but I didn't figure it out |
| 00:40.07 | JeffM2501 | I got 20 min, let me see what I can do |
| 00:40.25 | JeffM2501 | be kinda nice to just pick the driveable surfaces, and say "make all flat and stuff" |
| 00:42.57 | spldart | No hurry :) Good work though. Wow |
| 00:45.04 | CIA-6 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10PowerPainter/ (6 files): |
| 00:45.04 | CIA-6 | opencombat: functions to rotate the selection around a bit |
| 00:45.04 | CIA-6 | opencombat: always draw the axis markers and mark Z difrently |
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| 00:55.49 | CIA-6 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10PowerPainter/ (5 files): tweak function to flaten out selected faces |
| 00:57.03 | JeffM2501 | http://www.opencombat.net/files/bins/PowerPainter9-13-06.2.zip |
| 00:57.08 | JeffM2501 | just a new exe |
| 00:57.22 | JeffM2501 | tools->polygon->tweak->flaten |
| 00:57.56 | JeffM2501 | there are also tools in the polygon menu to roate the model around in 90 degree chunks, to get it aligned with BZ space |
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| 00:59.11 | JeffM2501 | if it's usefull, or you have any other ideas, let me knoiw |
| 00:59.17 | JeffM2501 | it's kinda a fun side project |
| 01:00.27 | spldart | got the exe |
| 01:00.44 | JeffM2501 | just replace your old one with the new |
| 01:00.45 | spldart | I know |
| 01:00.48 | spldart | thanks |
| 01:00.51 | spldart | I'mma try it :) |
| 01:03.29 | spldart | Maybe tomorrow a keyboard shortcut for the tweak>flatten thing :-p |
| 01:03.43 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't realy have keyboard shortcuts for anything |
| 01:03.47 | spldart | It looks like it's gonna be very useful |
| 01:04.09 | JeffM2501 | probalby should split a copy off, and take out all the lightmap and portal stuff |
| 01:04.15 | spldart | If it works on the finished model as well as it looks like it's working then it's very sweet |
| 01:04.40 | spldart | can I select multiple faces at once? |
| 01:04.43 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 01:04.44 | JeffM2501 | shift |
| 01:04.58 | JeffM2501 | CTRL drag will let you select all in an area too |
| 01:05.19 | JeffM2501 | ctrl + shift + drag will select all in an area and add it to your selection |
| 01:05.37 | JeffM2501 | you can also take your selection and make it into a group |
| 01:05.44 | JeffM2501 | then select full groups |
| 01:05.55 | JeffM2501 | each group will be exported as it's own mesh |
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| 01:06.09 | JeffM2501 | you can also hide selections to get it outa the way |
| 01:06.10 | spldart | excellent on shift and picking a group that way |
| 01:06.24 | JeffM2501 | shift = multiple slection is prety much standard |
| 01:06.27 | JeffM2501 | in most apps |
| 01:07.18 | spldart | Poop |
| 01:07.20 | spldart | no edit undo |
| 01:07.22 | spldart | hehe |
| 01:07.27 | JeffM2501 | undo is hard |
| 01:07.29 | JeffM2501 | REALY hard |
| 01:07.30 | JeffM2501 | to do right |
| 01:07.37 | spldart | no biggie |
| 01:07.47 | JeffM2501 | I could add the cheap one, but it would take a lot more ram |
| 01:07.49 | spldart | I just screwed up an action but it's just me tinkering |
| 01:08.28 | spldart | I wonder |
| 01:09.02 | spldart | Most 3d modelers will not play nice with my tv application, ati mmc, Will this likely have the same issue or not? |
| 01:09.10 | JeffM2501 | I dono |
| 01:09.23 | JeffM2501 | 3d usualy isn't a problem with TV |
| 01:09.29 | spldart | k.. If I logout abruptly You know what happened to me :) |
| 01:09.36 | JeffM2501 | the big problem is single pixel horizontal lines |
| 01:09.48 | JeffM2501 | as they arn't in every field when doing interlace |
| 01:09.51 | JeffM2501 | so they flicker |
| 01:09.57 | spldart | ati aiw cards have never liked doin multimediacenter with a 3d appy or 3d accell in general |
| 01:10.27 | JeffM2501 | this does GL calls just like bzflag |
| 01:10.43 | spldart | ah.. then it prolly will have issue... |
| 01:10.45 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: shh! games are totally different |
| 01:10.49 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 01:13.01 | spldart | Hrm... |
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| 01:15.22 | spldart | Ok |
| 01:16.00 | spldart | http://spldart.opencombat.net:92/tweak_select.PNG |
| 01:16.03 | spldart | goes to |
| 01:16.11 | spldart | http://spldart.opencombat.net:92/tweak_flatten.PNG |
| 01:16.24 | spldart | I'm wondering why the floor came up? |
| 01:16.48 | JeffM2501 | it takes it ALL to the Z of the first vert t fids |
| 01:16.51 | JeffM2501 | finds |
| 01:17.00 | JeffM2501 | guess I could have do an average Z |
| 01:17.32 | spldart | Just wondering what was goin on |
| 01:18.02 | JeffM2501 | it gets the first vert off the first face and makes all other verts be at that Z |
| 01:18.09 | spldart | Ok.. |
| 01:18.15 | JeffM2501 | you would use it for stuff you modeld that is almost flat |
| 01:18.27 | JeffM2501 | but need to make sure it's perfectly flat for driving |
| 01:18.34 | spldart | The first time it happened I did the rim first then flatten then did the floor and it still brought it up.. That's normal though? |
| 01:18.36 | JeffM2501 | basicly smothing out small variations |
| 01:18.53 | JeffM2501 | depends what the first vert it finds is |
| 01:19.01 | spldart | Ok |
| 01:19.06 | JeffM2501 | basicly first vert in the oldest face |
| 01:19.33 | spldart | But it is possible to have it level one set of verts to one Z then another to another Z in two seperate operations? |
| 01:19.49 | JeffM2501 | and 2 seperate selections, sure |
| 01:19.52 | spldart | Ok |
| 01:20.41 | spldart | I must have not unselected a vert or accidentily grabbed a vert in the second selection on my first attempt... obviously the second attempt which I screenshotted would have done what it did though ;) |
| 01:21.57 | spldart | Gah!... |
| 01:22.38 | spldart | I think I need another set of vert's between the flatten rim and flatten floor cuz it always brings them to the same level with the draw between.... |
| 01:22.46 | supertanker | I hit 17000 fps on my video card |
| 01:22.48 | spldart | In fact I know it's my silly object now |
| 01:23.12 | spldart | I like the appy and it plays nice with ati tv so far thanks |
| 01:24.21 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 01:24.26 | JeffM2501 | gonna try to bust up an undo here |
| 01:24.43 | spldart | Your just a machine :-D |
| 01:25.41 | JeffM2501 | naw, just bored at work |
| 01:27.39 | spldart | Memory usage? I'm only using 6 meg to open the app and my simple obj and start working with it |
| 01:27.52 | JeffM2501 | cus you didn't tell it to build lightmaps :) |
| 01:27.56 | spldart | Ah |
| 01:28.32 | JeffM2501 | makes a 64x64 24bit image for every square unit of polygon |
| 01:30.20 | spldart | oooOOooo |
| 01:30.25 | spldart | needs multithreading |
| 01:30.25 | spldart | hehehe |
| 01:30.28 | spldart | Yeah |
| 01:30.35 | spldart | I see the memory usage goin off now |
| 01:30.43 | JeffM2501 | it'll take a while |
| 01:30.48 | supertanker | BZFlag supports lightmaps now? |
| 01:31.12 | JeffM2501 | it just brute force checks a ray from every lightmap texel to every light against every face |
| 01:31.14 | JeffM2501 | supertanker, no |
| 01:32.23 | spldart | It's INHALING memory! |
| 01:32.27 | JeffM2501 | told you |
| 01:32.30 | spldart | hehe |
| 01:32.32 | JeffM2501 | how many faces do you have? |
| 01:32.32 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 01:32.44 | spldart | poop.. don't rmemeber Not many |
| 01:33.13 | JeffM2501 | hence why I said I should branch it and remove that part |
| 01:33.20 | JeffM2501 | cus you'll never need it for BZ |
| 01:33.31 | JeffM2501 | and the fact that it just dosn't quite work right |
| 01:33.33 | spldart | 290 polygons |
| 01:33.45 | JeffM2501 | how big is the object in world units? |
| 01:34.11 | spldart | fairly massive... lemme check something |
| 01:34.47 | spldart | Is your grid able to give me an idea? |
| 01:35.19 | JeffM2501 | grid spacing is 0.25 units |
| 01:36.32 | spldart | Ok... my objects were resized 3 times normal in my map.... In my map the area inside the 'cup' is just big enough for tank combat.. I'd say 40 by 40 units maybe more |
| 01:36.57 | JeffM2501 | yeah.. |
| 01:36.58 | spldart | So the tower is prolly 12 wide and 40 tall at 1:1 size |
| 01:37.02 | JeffM2501 | it won't finish tonight |
| 01:37.08 | spldart | I'll cancel it hehehehe |
| 01:37.15 | JeffM2501 | that's a lot of texels |
| 01:38.19 | spldart | It just blew past 200meg in the task manager list for the powerpaint.exe process when I cancelled it |
| 01:38.33 | JeffM2501 | yeah you have a couple hundred megs of lightmaps there |
| 01:39.02 | JeffM2501 | realy should compress them after I make them |
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| 01:42.31 | spldart | Weren't there more images that were gonna be included default? |
| 01:42.53 | JeffM2501 | not realy |
| 01:43.00 | JeffM2501 | there is the texture pack |
| 01:43.12 | JeffM2501 | or just use BZs textures |
| 01:46.22 | CIA-6 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10PowerPainter/ (8 files): one level of undo |
| 01:46.50 | spldart | wow |
| 01:47.02 | JeffM2501 | it would be prety easy to have it know to save out textures that are in the cache URL format as real URLs |
| 01:47.54 | JeffM2501 | tho it does seem to be doing windos style paths |
| 01:48.10 | JeffM2501 | I'll fix that when I get home |
| 01:48.47 | spldart | should this build in linux? |
| 01:50.05 | JeffM2501 | oh god no |
| 01:50.10 | spldart | didn't think so |
| 01:50.12 | spldart | :( |
| 01:50.14 | JeffM2501 | should run in wine tho |
| 01:50.14 | spldart | hehe |
| 01:50.15 | JeffM2501 | just fine |
| 01:50.20 | spldart | OH YEAH |
| 01:50.31 | JeffM2501 | I go now |
| 01:50.33 | spldart | I'm still learning what I can and can't do in wine hehe |
| 01:50.34 | spldart | bye |
| 01:50.36 | spldart | be safe |
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| 02:55.56 | nick125_lappy | and if they are on IRC, of course |
| 02:56.11 | PuMpErNiCkLe | That's A-D. |
| 02:56.39 | PuMpErNiCkLe | If you just need a cop, I'm one. |
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| 03:28.42 | CIA-6 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10PowerPainter/ (5 files): |
| 03:28.42 | CIA-6 | opencombat: add a build target that dosn't do all the lightmap and portal stuff, for use as a |
| 03:28.42 | CIA-6 | opencombat: model tool |
| 03:33.22 | CIA-6 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10PowerPainter/ (PowerPainter.vcproj world.cpp world.h): bzflag mode dosn't need coldet and nobody needs freetype |
| 03:41.33 | CIA-6 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10PowerPainter/ (PowerPainter.rc resource.h res/Toolbar.bmp): |
| 03:41.33 | CIA-6 | opencombat: toolbar button for flaten |
| 03:41.33 | CIA-6 | opencombat: tooltips for toolbar buttons |
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| 03:49.59 | Robotguy | Is there a channel for BZ mapmaking? |
| 03:50.40 | JeffM2501 | not realy, but if you have specific questions, you can ask here |
| 03:51.51 | Robotguy | Any idea who is in charge of accepting requests to join the BZFlag World Forum? I applied several days ago... |
| 03:52.05 | JeffM2501 | there is a fourm? |
| 03:52.06 | JeffM2501 | where? |
| 03:52.34 | JeffM2501 | or do you mean the maping sections in the offical fourm? |
| 03:53.01 | Robotguy | http://hosted.rangfar.com/bzflagworld/forum/index.php |
| 03:53.22 | JeffM2501 | oh that old thing |
| 03:53.33 | Robotguy | Should I be looking someplace else? |
| 03:53.50 | JeffM2501 | that's not realy offical, that's a fourm set up by some players |
| 03:54.00 | Robotguy | lots of good info though |
| 03:54.02 | JeffM2501 | the main fourms have an entire sub section dedicated to map making |
| 03:54.20 | JeffM2501 | I'm tryin to remember who runs that one |
| 03:54.33 | JeffM2501 | ducatiwannabe IIRC |
| 03:54.56 | Robotguy | login to the main forum is the same as registered BZ callsign? |
| 03:55.02 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 03:55.14 | JeffM2501 | tho looks like winXP is involved in that maping fourm as well |
| 03:55.26 | JeffM2501 | you could send him a PM on the main fourms and ask him what's up |
| 03:55.42 | Robotguy | nah, i'll just use the main forum |
| 03:55.49 | Robotguy | 'long as I'm here tho... |
| 03:56.03 | Robotguy | I have a map at fenris.bounceme.net:5154 |
| 03:56.27 | Robotguy | and I am having trouble driving over the intersection of two meshboxes |
| 03:56.36 | JeffM2501 | yup |
| 03:56.36 | Robotguy | even though they are the same height |
| 03:56.40 | JeffM2501 | yup |
| 03:56.43 | JeffM2501 | it's a bug |
| 03:56.50 | JeffM2501 | in 2.0.x |
| 03:56.57 | Robotguy | and I have played with _maxBumpHeight |
| 03:57.00 | Robotguy | oh |
| 03:57.02 | JeffM2501 | won't matter |
| 03:57.04 | JeffM2501 | nothing you can do |
| 03:57.24 | Robotguy | ok then next question |
| 03:57.27 | JeffM2501 | you can make them all one mesh |
| 03:57.31 | JeffM2501 | and not meshboxes |
| 03:57.37 | JeffM2501 | then there is no transition |
| 03:57.40 | Robotguy | havent learned Blender yet |
| 03:57.58 | Robotguy | I used BZedit and then replaced box with meshbox |
| 03:58.05 | Robotguy | then added tex |
| 03:58.07 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 03:58.47 | Robotguy | is there a generic texture for the walls like there is for GroundMaterial |
| 03:58.48 | Robotguy | ? |
| 03:59.01 | Robotguy | so I can just rename it and have textured outer walls? |
| 03:59.15 | JeffM2501 | the outter walls... not sure |
| 03:59.24 | JeffM2501 | let me look real quick |
| 03:59.36 | Robotguy | I added my own walls, but flags and tanks keep spawning up there |
| 03:59.53 | JeffM2501 | yeah you have to muck with zones a lot if you want to do your own |
| 04:01.21 | Robotguy | I tried a zone 50 high and the size of the whole field with "flag good" and "team 1 2 3 4" but no luck |
| 04:02.16 | JeffM2501 | zones are "interesting" |
| 04:05.36 | JeffM2501 | hmm it's not looking like the walls use a material |
| 04:05.40 | JeffM2501 | still looking tho |
| 04:06.09 | Robotguy | wall.png |
| 04:06.19 | JeffM2501 | yes I know the image |
| 04:06.29 | JeffM2501 | but that dosn't mean they use the material system |
| 04:06.38 | JeffM2501 | tho it does seem to support user textures |
| 04:06.43 | Robotguy | ahh, but it is not an actual texture i could override? |
| 04:06.46 | JeffM2501 | wonder if I hooked that up |
| 04:06.49 | JeffM2501 | I'm checking still |
| 04:07.00 | JeffM2501 | the ground works by overiding a material def |
| 04:07.02 | JeffM2501 | not just a texture |
| 04:07.39 | JeffM2501 | yeah there is support user textures, they just arnt' set |
| 04:07.43 | JeffM2501 | future expansion kinda thing |
| 04:07.54 | Robotguy | gotcha |
| 04:07.56 | JeffM2501 | so no, there is no material to overide |
| 04:08.02 | Robotguy | ok |
| 04:08.07 | JeffM2501 | not that I can see anyway |
| 04:08.13 | Robotguy | last ? |
| 04:08.34 | Robotguy | if I dont set -sb then tanks will always spawn on the ground? |
| 04:08.41 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 04:08.49 | JeffM2501 | unless a plugin overides it |
| 04:08.56 | Robotguy | so only flags will spawn on top of the "world walls" |
| 04:09.45 | JeffM2501 | flags should never spawn outside the default size walls |
| 04:10.04 | JeffM2501 | if you hide those, and do your own walls, they are just objects to bzfs, and the normal rules apply |
| 04:10.26 | Robotguy | no they dont, but I made my own walls just inside of the world walls, and flags spawn on top of them |
| 04:10.36 | JeffM2501 | do you have -fb? |
| 04:11.33 | Robotguy | yes, but I want flags to spawn on lower boxes so I'll put up with a few on the main walls until I figure out zones |
| 04:11.55 | JeffM2501 | bzfs dosn't know those other boxes are "special" |
| 04:12.07 | JeffM2501 | a box is a box is a box |
| 04:12.24 | JeffM2501 | the intent is to use zones to prevent spawning there |
| 04:12.26 | Robotguy | ok so I just need to play with the zone |
| 04:12.30 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 04:12.40 | Robotguy | thank you, I appreciate the help |
| 04:12.43 | JeffM2501 | tho I'm not sure if everything about zones is implemented |
| 04:12.50 | JeffM2501 | there are just some things you can't do in 2.0.x |
| 04:12.53 | JeffM2501 | sure thing, anytime |
| 04:13.21 | Robotguy | this is my zone... |
| 04:13.23 | Robotguy | zone |
| 04:13.23 | Robotguy | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:13.23 | Robotguy | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:13.23 | Robotguy | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:13.23 | Robotguy | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:13.24 | Robotguy | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:13.26 | Robotguy | end |
| 04:13.40 | Robotguy | seemed simple nough |
| 04:13.41 | JeffM2501 | I personaly know little about zones, sorry |
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| 04:13.45 | Robotguy | np |
| 04:15.07 | StainlessSteelRa | any quick links to a Blender for BZ tutorial? |
| 04:15.38 | JeffM2501 | should be one on the BZW blender plugin page |
| 04:15.48 | JeffM2501 | it's in the map editors section of the fourm |
| 04:15.55 | JeffM2501 | tepic went out of his way to make a nice site for it |
| 04:16.16 | StainlessSteelRa | Nifty I'll go check it out TY |
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| 14:48.30 | Cray_Supercom | i need some help |
| 14:49.03 | Cray_Supercom | i was kicked the the 2 castles server for being and i quote jittery? how do i fix that |
| 14:49.55 | spldart | Was your lag poor? |
| 14:50.03 | Cray_Supercom | didnt seem so |
| 14:50.15 | Cray_Supercom | i never noticed |
| 14:50.26 | spldart | Did you check /lagstats? |
| 14:50.29 | Cray_Supercom | actually the moto unit banned me |
| 14:50.39 | Cray_Supercom | for jittery |
| 14:50.53 | Cray_Supercom | now where do u do tht |
| 14:50.56 | Cray_Supercom | no |
| 14:51.20 | spldart | press N like your gonna send a message in client.. then type /lagstats |
| 14:51.41 | spldart | in the chat box everybodies name will appear with a number that represents lag in milliseconds |
| 14:52.04 | spldart | get past 200 and gameplay is adversely effected |
| 14:52.18 | spldart | get past 300 and many servers will auto kick you |
| 14:52.23 | Cray_Supercom | i never had the problem before |
| 14:52.43 | CBG | he was kicked for jit, not lag |
| 14:52.45 | spldart | We don't know if that is truly the problem but many many things can cause excess lag |
| 14:52.51 | CBG | look at the number after the +- |
| 14:52.51 | spldart | I know |
| 14:52.52 | Cray_Supercom | well now i cant even check, i have been banned from my favorite server |
| 14:52.56 | CBG | if it's over 20, it's bad. |
| 14:52.57 | spldart | that would be the client correct? |
| 14:53.16 | Cray_Supercom | yes |
| 14:53.36 | Cray_Supercom | is there a jittery measement? thts a new one for me |
| 14:54.22 | Cray_Supercom | how do you correct that or is there a wasy |
| 14:54.47 | CBG | quit everyine but bzflag |
| 14:54.51 | CBG | stop all downloads, etc |
| 14:55.09 | Cray_Supercom | have no dl,s running nothing connected to internet |
| 14:55.22 | Cray_Supercom | except bzflag |
| 14:55.30 | CBG | dunno then |
| 14:55.34 | CBG | maybe just bad connection |
| 14:55.43 | CBG | did toy get kicked, banned, or both? |
| 14:56.02 | Cray_Supercom | i have checked my connection it seems fine teste my bandwidth on 3 different sites all came back great |
| 14:56.20 | Cray_Supercom | Banned |
| 14:56.34 | CBG | No kicks or warnings? |
| 14:58.00 | Cray_Supercom | i was autokicked once 20 min before for lag then started a new connection, didnt seem to have problems, then all the sudden moto unit said stop that jitter or be banned, i was typing a quetion to him when he banned me |
| 14:58.20 | CBG | Wow, stupid guy. |
| 14:58.54 | Cray_Supercom | is the ban perminent |
| 14:59.01 | CBG | Dunno.. |
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| 15:03.19 | Cray_Supercom | row? |
| 15:03.45 | CBG | argument... |
| 15:04.44 | Cray_Supercom | i know i am new and still dont know all the commands for the chat window yet like the /lagstats for instance |
| 15:05.09 | CBG | Haha, Moto Unit muted me because I have more common sense than him. |
| 15:05.15 | Cray_Supercom | i sure as hell had no idea what jittery meant |
| 15:05.27 | Cray_Supercom | lol |
| 15:05.39 | CBG | I can already tell this guy is a jerk. |
| 15:05.49 | CBG | I'm sure as hell never making him an admin on any of my servers. |
| 15:05.50 | Cray_Supercom | r u in the game |
| 15:06.10 | CBG | Yeah... |
| 15:06.48 | Cray_Supercom | what does jittery mean, techincally speaking, am jumpin around all over the place to the server or the other clients or what |
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| 15:08.10 | Chestal | Cray_Supercom: yes, basically, if you have high constant log, but low jitter, peopel will see you in the wrong spot (delayed), but your movement will look smooth |
| 15:08.36 | Chestal | Cray_Supercom: if you have high jitter, your movements will no longer look smooth, jumping around as you say |
| 15:08.37 | Cray_Supercom | he kicked me for jitter not lag |
| 15:08.56 | Cray_Supercom | oh okay read tht wrong |
| 15:10.26 | Cray_Supercom | brb |
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| 15:12.53 | Cray_Supercom_ | ok |
| 15:13.51 | spldart | But I do like playing on that server as well |
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| 15:16.04 | spldart | IC your back on cray :) |
| 15:17.38 | Cray_Supercom_ | yeah i got a new ip address |
| 15:17.45 | Cray_Supercom_ | i am testing my lag |
| 15:18.38 | Cray_Supercom_ | it seems to be hovering around 160, "the server must be in europe or somewhere far away |
| 15:18.51 | Cray_Supercom_ | from me that is |
| 15:19.15 | spldart | I wonder if that's the one in Germany...? |
| 15:19.20 | spldart | can't remember |
| 15:19.30 | spldart | 160 is tolerable... |
| 15:21.03 | Cray_Supercom_ | it does seem to be peaking noe around 190 but usually staying around 160 |
| 15:21.25 | PuMpErNiCkLe | What's the jit like? |
| 15:21.47 | Cray_Supercom_ | now pesjky booted, said sort out my lag |
| 15:22.21 | PuMpErNiCkLe | If they're getting that hostile that quickly, your jit must be pretty high. |
| 15:22.24 | Cray_Supercom_ | well thanks for your help |
| 15:22.50 | CBG | Cray_Supercom: go back with a different name |
| 15:22.56 | CBG | and keep doing /lagstats every minute |
| 15:23.02 | CBG | look at the number after the +- |
| 15:23.09 | Cray_Supercom_ | 3 |
| 15:23.15 | CBG | it will be like: Your Name 160 +- 5 ms |
| 15:23.17 | Cray_Supercom_ | is what is was last |
| 15:23.20 | orange | packet loss might also be an issue |
| 15:23.21 | CBG | that's your jitter |
| 15:23.31 | spldart | and it must be jit too. I've played in the 160;s in there and have never had anyone boot me |
| 15:23.44 | orange | but sign in with a callsign of "testing lag please be patient" or something |
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| 15:23.49 | Cray_Supercom_ | +- 3 |
| 15:24.01 | orange | most people will work with you if they don't think you're trying to keep rejoining to get around issues |
| 15:24.12 | spldart | hrm |
| 15:24.14 | Cray_Supercom_ | good idea |
| 15:24.16 | CBG | under 10 is perfectly fine. |
| 15:24.26 | spldart | odd |
| 15:24.41 | orange | but it is possible you are showing signs of jitter without the jitter number being high |
| 15:24.48 | orange | SportChick went through this a year or so ago |
| 15:24.57 | orange | jumping around a lot, even though the jit number was OK |
| 15:25.01 | orange | I don't recall the resolution |
| 15:25.22 | spldart | I remember that :/ |
| 15:25.37 | SportChick | the solution had to do with my clock iirc |
| 15:25.38 | spldart | Been racking my brain to remember how that was resolved |
| 15:25.46 | Cray_Supercom_ | well damn the germans!, jk going somewhere else to play then |
| 15:25.54 | SportChick | DTRemenak, I think it was, did a temporary fix that was later committed |
| 15:26.05 | Cray_Supercom_ | whats tht? |
| 15:26.27 | Erroneous | that particular problem is fixed |
| 15:26.41 | spldart | Careful wit the german kidding... there are several in here :) |
| 15:26.54 | Cray_Supercom_ | i know tht why its so funny |
| 15:27.00 | spldart | hehe |
| 15:28.23 | Cray_Supercom_ | whats another great capture the flag server for beginner |
| 15:28.38 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03t-s * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfsPlayerStateVerify.cxx: Don't kick players that are spawning in the air |
| 15:29.47 | spldart | beginner servers... wouldn't include the one you were on 8-0 |
| 15:29.58 | spldart | It's tough in there |
| 15:30.13 | PuMpErNiCkLe | It's not that bad really early in the morning. |
| 15:30.24 | PuMpErNiCkLe | When it's full, though, it gets insane. |
| 15:31.06 | spldart | I started FFA's as rogue so I could target anything moving and worked up some skill to do CTF without doin to many TK's... Some Ducati style play will build excellent dodging skills too :) |
| 15:31.43 | Cray_Supercom_ | ty |
| 15:32.21 | PuMpErNiCkLe | If you can find 10-15 other players, the Compound is a great CTF map for teamwork. ^_^ |
| 15:32.47 | spldart | That can be fun when busy :-D |
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| 15:52.13 | ichernichterdumi | shh, the boss is here |
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| 16:44.12 | CIA-6 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10PowerPainter/PowerPainter.rc: don't need a cursor for the arrow, the system has the one we'll use |
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| 18:10.00 | CIA-6 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10PowerPainter/ (6 files): |
| 18:10.00 | CIA-6 | opencombat: translate feature |
| 18:10.00 | CIA-6 | opencombat: gray out functions when the current sate is invalid for them and they would not work ( no selection, no object, etc.. ) |
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| 18:43.25 | amcnabb | OT: If anyone has a Digg account, I have a shameless self-plug. :) |
| 18:43.27 | amcnabb | http://digg.com/mods/Relatively_Safe_Fireballs_in_your_Living_Room |
| 18:45.05 | CBG` | "Relatively" lol |
| 18:45.54 | amcnabb | :) |
| 18:53.51 | spldart | Yay pyro's |
| 18:54.41 | amcnabb | I'd be shocked if there weren't any fellow pyros on #bzflag. :) |
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| 18:56.11 | brlcad | yay, despair poster |
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| 18:56.42 | amcnabb | Potential is my favorite one. |
| 18:57.44 | amcnabb | The pyramids one? |
| 18:57.48 | amcnabb | That's great. |
| 18:57.51 | brlcad | yeah |
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| 19:24.39 | spldart2 | Fun.. troubleshooting a loewe TV and the service manual is in German hehehe |
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| 19:28.09 | spldart2 | Ah zeilentrafo is kaput |
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| 19:30.41 | zarrah | c bon la |
| 19:30.56 | zarrah | c bon |
| 19:32.34 | zarrah | hello |
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| 19:40.37 | omami | salut |
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| 20:02.04 | spldart | BZ UN up in here ;~) |
| 20:04.46 | CBG | Chestal: ping :) |
| 20:05.21 | CBG | nvm :) |
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| 20:33.03 | JeffM2501 | spldart, I added some more stuff, but I can't do a build cus I forgot to check in 2 files :( |
| 20:33.55 | spldart | No biggie.. I wont be home for an hour |
| 20:33.56 | spldart | :) |
| 20:34.18 | spldart | Thanks for letting me test and tinker with your appy :) |
| 20:34.43 | spldart | You were up late last night on coding it weren't you? |
| 20:35.08 | JeffM2501 | not that late |
| 20:36.42 | spldart | I was busy having doomsday dreams for some stupid reason :-\ |
| 20:37.04 | CBG | Heh. Sounds far less interesting that making a php script to work out prime numbers. ;) |
| 20:37.16 | spldart | hrm |
| 20:37.22 | spldart | assigment? |
| 20:37.40 | CBG | Nah, just.... because... |
| 20:37.54 | JeffM2501 | why would somone want a screenshot hosted as a map texture? |
| 20:38.16 | CBG | a map within a map..? :) |
| 20:38.28 | JeffM2501 | I think the user was just confused |
| 20:38.35 | spldart | Must be bored CBG |
| 20:38.36 | JeffM2501 | but it's wierd |
| 20:38.46 | spldart | Confusion abounds |
| 20:38.49 | CBG | Probably. |
| 20:39.14 | CBG | spldart: More of a "Look what I can do" thing :) |
| 20:39.38 | JeffM2501 | spldart, I'll make a build after I go buy a laptop |
| 20:39.47 | spldart | OOooo |
| 20:39.50 | CBG | I ran the script for 7 hours while I slept, got up to 243077. :) |
| 20:39.51 | spldart | New laptop |
| 20:40.19 | JeffM2501 | you may like it since you can now put your texture cache dir from BZ in the textures dir and use them and it'll rebuild it into a URL at save time |
| 20:40.25 | JeffM2501 | just a crap laptop for my dad |
| 20:40.28 | JeffM2501 | his was stolen |
| 20:40.35 | spldart | Oh.. |
| 20:40.54 | spldart | I was just thinking about adding textures to the paint |
| 20:41.06 | spldart | Did you do some limited undo function? |
| 20:41.14 | JeffM2501 | just throw your cache dir in there |
| 20:41.21 | JeffM2501 | well the HTTP and FTP dirs |
| 20:41.26 | JeffM2501 | it'll rebuild them as URLs on save |
| 20:41.37 | JeffM2501 | and take off the "textures/" part |
| 20:41.53 | JeffM2501 | and you can set the background color and stuff |
| 20:42.14 | spldart | I got some neat things to try with your proggy this weekend |
| 20:42.18 | JeffM2501 | oh and one level of undo |
| 20:42.43 | JeffM2501 | if you have interface ideas or key shortcut sugestions, let me know |
| 20:43.08 | JeffM2501 | I have it set where I can build a "bzflag mode" build, that dosn't do the lightmaps and stuff |
| 20:43.09 | spldart | Only the one key shortcut sofar.. were I was flattening faces |
| 20:43.20 | JeffM2501 | I added a toolbar button for it |
| 20:43.26 | spldart | This is sounding very kew |
| 20:43.33 | spldart | Great |
| 20:43.54 | JeffM2501 | I can add key shortcuts for any menu item, I just don't know what to set them to |
| 20:44.07 | JeffM2501 | so if you have sugestions I can just implement them |
| 20:44.25 | JeffM2501 | or heck, get you VC 7.1 and just show you how to implement them |
| 20:44.28 | spldart | After I get more time playing with it I maybe |
| 20:44.30 | JeffM2501 | you don't even need to code to do em |
| 20:59.11 | brlcad | any bzflag folks up in utah? |
| 20:59.12 | SportChick | yes there are |
| 20:59.17 | amcnabb | brlcad, I'm in utah. |
| 20:59.17 | SportChick | brlcad: LadyK and junker are in utah. So is timriker |
| 20:59.20 | brlcad | in the salty lake city |
| 20:59.27 | SportChick | timriker for sure |
| 20:59.35 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:59.40 | amcnabb | yep |
| 20:59.44 | JeffM2501 | when? |
| 21:00.00 | amcnabb | It's been at least 4 or 5 months, I think. |
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| 21:00.05 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 21:00.12 | amcnabb | Maybe much longer. I don't know. |
| 21:00.26 | amcnabb | brlcad, what state are you in? |
| 21:00.37 | amcnabb | cool |
| 21:00.42 | brlcad | i'm currently in MD |
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| 21:10.46 | spldart | 1961 Ferrari 250 GT California... It is so choice |
| 21:12.33 | CBG | college* too. :| |
| 21:12.34 | spldart | Lucky... Bloody... You. |
| 21:12.38 | spldart | hehe |
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| 21:18.49 | JeffM2501 | well by "gets" I mean " I just told them" |
| 21:18.59 | JeffM2501 | not that they can make me stay or anything |
| 21:19.22 | JeffM2501 | oh Joy.. cupons for Denny's with the paycheck. |
| 21:19.45 | spldart | LOL |
| 21:20.10 | spldart | I have an open schedule here but I'm trying to get to a certain place in my work :( |
| 21:20.17 | JeffM2501 | buy one entree get one free, and a free Dr.Pepper... Whoo! |
| 21:21.04 | spldart | Party at Jeff's! |
| 21:21.12 | JeffM2501 | no, at denny's! |
| 21:21.31 | JeffM2501 | tho not that these are real paychecks, I don't think anyone here gets a real CHECK anymore |
| 21:21.38 | spldart | Oh... the CBG can't bring the beer |
| 21:21.57 | CBG | Oh? |
| 21:22.11 | JeffM2501 | and if he could, it'd be warm |
| 21:22.12 | spldart | Don't think Denny's will allow |
| 21:22.18 | spldart | heh |
| 21:22.26 | CBG | why can't _I_ bring the beer? :P |
| 21:22.34 | spldart | Check stub/printout and electronic transfer? |
| 21:22.35 | JeffM2501 | drinking age is 21 in US |
| 21:22.47 | CBG | It's 18 in the UK, so what? :P |
| 21:22.47 | JeffM2501 | yeah just direct deposit stuff |
| 21:22.59 | CBG | Doesn't mean I don't got beer. I just don't drink it. |
| 21:23.01 | JeffM2501 | CBG, and you have a denny's in the UK? |
| 21:23.11 | CBG | No, dunno what a denny's is. |
| 21:23.17 | JeffM2501 | you sir.. are a lucky man |
| 21:23.22 | spldart | LMAO |
| 21:23.22 | CBG | heh |
| 21:23.59 | CBG | family-style, fast-food and steakhouse restaurant ..? |
| 21:24.08 | JeffM2501 | none |
| 21:24.14 | JeffM2501 | it's just denny's |
| 21:24.25 | JeffM2501 | they are everywhere |
| 21:25.11 | JeffM2501 | if you were a goth kid under 21, you'd know ALL about the Denny's post 10PM scene |
| 21:25.15 | CBG | Upmarket Macdonalds? |
| 21:25.19 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 21:25.21 | CBG | lol |
| 21:25.23 | spldart | Breakfast lunch and dinner at a Holiday Inn near you |
| 21:25.43 | JeffM2501 | it's like an IHOP but with out the good food |
| 21:25.46 | spldart | 24/7 |
| 21:25.53 | CBG | IHOP? |
| 21:26.01 | JeffM2501 | International House of Pancakes |
| 21:26.09 | CBG | heh |
| 21:26.28 | spldart | You guys are making me hungry and it wasn't that long since James Coney Island for lunch |
| 21:26.28 | JeffM2501 | http://dennys.com/en/ |
| 21:27.15 | CBG | "late night bacon love fest" ... |
| 21:27.27 | brlcad | mm.. bacon |
| 21:28.05 | JeffM2501 | the in-n-out free burger cupon 2 weeks ago was better |
| 21:29.38 | spldart | Is it like 2:27 out there Jeff? |
| 21:29.46 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:29.48 | spldart | 2 hours diff I assume |
| 21:31.04 | JeffM2501 | dunno where you are. |
| 21:31.49 | spldart | Work in HTown tx live in Sugar Land |
| 21:31.59 | JeffM2501 | sugar land? |
| 21:32.01 | spldart | thinking it's no fair people are talking food :-p |
| 21:32.06 | spldart | I'm not far off dinner |
| 21:32.16 | spldart | bout an hour |
| 21:32.49 | JeffM2501 | at least it dosn't become a bad name when you spell your town backwards :) |
| 21:33.03 | spldart | heh |
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| 21:34.53 | JeffM2501 | I think I'll take off from here and drive out to the nard at like 3 |
| 21:38.02 | spldart | whew... almost 10 hours now and I can finally bolt outta here.. It's almost like.. work |
| 21:38.35 | spldart | Things BZ beckon and I heed the call! |
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| 21:45.18 | Inferno | hi friends and foes |
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| 23:37.47 | supertanker | Yay, I finally get to learn spanish this year |
| 23:39.26 | supertanker | now I just need to learn how to tell my mother to "shut up, i'm reading" and not get in trouble. She doesn't understand spanish too well.... |
| 23:41.17 | HighKarateKitty | nooooooo not to mom :( |
| 23:42.26 | supertanker | I think I know why I can never shut up...it's inherited :( |
| 23:42.48 | HighKarateKitty | :) |
| 23:43.00 | nick125_lappy | haha |
| 23:43.06 | Theme97 | supertanker: Cállese, yo leo. |
| 23:44.18 | supertanker | what? |
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| 23:44.56 | Theme97 | It means "shut up, I'm reading" or something like "close your mouth, I read"... |
| 23:45.06 | supertanker | lol |
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