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| 01:28.37 | menotume | can someone try http://bzstats.strayer.de and see if it loads please ? |
| 01:30.13 | Theme97 | menotume: It loads for me, but it took about 5 seconds. |
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| 01:30.27 | menotume | ok, thx |
| 01:37.37 | jh` | btw menotume |
| 01:38.28 | jh` | why aren't those pages in real time |
| 01:38.58 | jh` | like: server query done 5mins ago |
| 01:39.43 | Theme97 | jh`: To not put too much stress on the servers. Querying ~200 servers it a lot of hard work, you know. |
| 01:40.09 | jh` | hmmm |
| 01:40.20 | jh` | ok |
| 01:40.50 | jh` | is it really that bad to servers? |
| 01:40.57 | jh` | 200 is not a lot |
| 01:42.09 | Theme97 | Okay, okay, fine. But still, it would be at least a minute and a half before it can completely finish querying all the servers. (I've tried...) |
| 01:42.34 | jh` | how can that be |
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| 01:42.52 | [dmp] | the problem is at the other end. The server owners will not like that. Some have complained about it "hammering" too often before. |
| 01:43.31 | jh` | it should be done like in 10 secs, theres not that much data |
| 01:43.33 | delusional | 200 hundred in 90 seconds is better than 2 per second |
| 01:44.10 | menotume | jh`: then you'd need about 200 threads, one for each server |
| 01:44.16 | jh` | ahh ic dmp |
| 01:44.18 | shorty114 | jh`: it has to connect to the server, send the query, wait for the reply, parse the results, then close the connection |
| 01:44.32 | Theme97 | And don't forget the occasional timeout! |
| 01:44.40 | shorty114 | yeah |
| 01:44.42 | [dmp] | and when servers are full |
| 01:45.34 | jh` | but i dont think bz has so many users right now that it would compromise the servers |
| 01:45.35 | [dmp] | would be alot better if the servers reporting the info to a central service, instead of polling data from each server |
| 01:45.49 | menotume | shhhh :P |
| 01:46.09 | menotume | [dmp]: go to bed! :P |
| 01:46.26 | [dmp] | menotume: im waiting for the bed to come fetch me :) |
| 01:46.40 | Theme97 | However, you could shave a lot of time by parsing data from list server to skip the empty servers... That would probably shorten it to about 60 seconds. |
| 01:46.55 | menotume | what ? |
| 01:47.00 | jh` | lol |
| 01:47.44 | jh` | i just think it would be cool if it would be real time, the strayer thing |
| 01:47.59 | jh` | get better servers! |
| 01:48.01 | jh` | lol |
| 01:48.02 | menotume | jh`: ptches welcome |
| 01:48.03 | Theme97 | It could be, and a lot more precise and with more information. Plug-ins! |
| 01:48.20 | menotume | plugin ? |
| 01:48.31 | L4m3r | it would save a lot of headache to let the servers do the reporting, and have a central server with an API for all the other websites |
| 01:48.41 | menotume | L4m3r: yes |
| 01:48.49 | [dmp] | strayer is working on that currently |
| 01:48.50 | L4m3r | I find it annoying that so many different robots crawl over my servers to collect the same info |
| 01:48.54 | Theme97 | Yes, plug-in. The remains of my inactive project is at http://bzflag.awardspace.com/ |
| 01:48.56 | menotume | we already have SOME of the info (listserver) |
| 01:49.10 | menotume | a plugin that ALL servers would need to use ? |
| 01:49.22 | L4m3r | yeah, this would have to be committed for 2.2 |
| 01:49.22 | Theme97 | If they wanted realtime stats... |
| 01:49.27 | [dmp] | he got an api that allows you to fetch online status, team relations, scores, last seen, etc etc |
| 01:49.48 | menotume | fetching is not the way to go |
| 01:50.00 | L4m3r | yeah, it sucks |
| 01:50.00 | menotume | we just need to add more info to what the listserver sends |
| 01:50.11 | menotume | plus, additional message if we want to trck scores, etc. |
| 01:50.18 | L4m3r | we should have a new system and adapt the list to use THAT |
| 01:50.25 | menotume | we know |
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| 01:50.29 | menotume | :) |
| 01:50.30 | L4m3r | :) |
| 01:50.34 | [dmp] | sure. but with the current situation, strayers way is probably as good as it gets currently |
| 01:50.40 | menotume | yes |
| 01:50.49 | L4m3r | better yet, there should be no separate "list" |
| 01:50.57 | jh` | good enough i guess, for now |
| 01:51.03 | menotume | L4m3r: yes, all in one place |
| 01:51.06 | L4m3r | the client should handle it, that way we could have the lists set up in different ways as configured by the user |
| 01:51.17 | menotume | huh ? |
| 01:51.24 | L4m3r | we could get some really nice filtering and sorting in that way |
| 01:51.37 | L4m3r | configure the client to send for whatever info it wants |
| 01:52.18 | jh` | have u ever tried the real-time thing with webserver? |
| 01:52.21 | menotume | stats built into the client |
| 01:52.23 | menotume | sure |
| 01:52.34 | jh` | and? |
| 01:52.36 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 01:52.40 | Theme97 | -solo bots die in one shot even if they have SH? |
| 01:52.49 | menotume | the main thing is to get server data PUSHED to one database |
| 01:52.52 | L4m3r | but we'd be able to integrate player search and such, also |
| 01:52.57 | L4m3r | yup |
| 01:53.05 | L4m3r | Theme97: solo bots do not use flags |
| 01:53.08 | menotume | abd that DB providing feeds to whatever wants it, clients, stats sites |
| 01:53.09 | L4m3r | even if you force them |
| 01:53.25 | L4m3r | precisely. |
| 01:53.30 | Theme97 | L4m3r: So that means that if they APPEAR to have it... they don't? |
| 01:53.35 | L4m3r | yup |
| 01:53.47 | L4m3r | they behave the same regardless- try giving them a speed flag |
| 01:53.49 | L4m3r | or a bad flag |
| 01:55.00 | [dmp] | well for now, a backup listserver would be a nicer feature :) |
| 01:55.39 | jh` | how bout servers sending data like /1 minute |
| 01:56.45 | menotume | jh`: see above "plus, additional message if we want to trck scores, etc." |
| 01:56.55 | menotume | it already sends info when a player joins |
| 01:57.00 | menotume | and leaves |
| 01:57.08 | [dmp] | strayers site have been unable to reach listserver for like a total of 6½ hours this month. Luckily its mostly outside the busy hours |
| 02:03.39 | L4m3r | while we're at it, the user DB needs to be liberated from PHPBB... |
| 02:03.48 | L4m3r | :P |
| 02:04.36 | jh` | ? |
| 02:04.39 | jh` | why |
| 02:05.27 | jh` | i have always used mysql |
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| 02:09.49 | jh` | L4m3r? |
| 02:09.51 | Khellendros | night |
| 02:10.01 | jh` | why u think so |
| 02:11.07 | L4m3r | mysql is fine |
| 02:11.22 | L4m3r | it would just be nice to have it separated from phpBB |
| 02:11.27 | trepan | L4m3r: when should we expect you to have completed the auth-DB rewrite? |
| 02:11.30 | L4m3r | and rework phpBB to use the new db |
| 02:11.53 | L4m3r | when you guys buy me a vBulletin license to redo the BZBB :D |
| 02:12.04 | L4m3r | give or take a few months |
| 02:12.44 | jh` | lol |
| 02:12.45 | L4m3r | come to think of it, it would make sense to merge that all into one system |
| 02:13.09 | trepan | so you'd want to tie it to another BB? (and a non-free one at that) |
| 02:13.23 | L4m3r | a very nice non-free one |
| 02:13.40 | L4m3r | and no, not tie it in, I just have more experience with vB |
| 02:14.12 | L4m3r | so it'd be easier to modify that and use the external db |
| 02:14.31 | jh` | lol |
| 02:14.49 | jh` | nerd! |
| 02:14.57 | L4m3r | I mean, all that effort for a board that can't fend off porno spam? psh |
| 02:15.09 | trepan | purple_cow: flick the switch :) |
| 02:15.18 | shorty114 | bzbb's been attacked by spam? |
| 02:15.34 | L4m3r | shorty114: frequently. |
| 02:16.21 | purple_cow | all boards get attacked by spam |
| 02:16.22 | L4m3r | fortunately there are those handy dandy admins around on IRC, and there's almost always at least one to rectify the issue in minutes. |
| 02:16.34 | purple_cow | switching won't help anything |
| 02:16.35 | shorty114 | should be a way to integrate something like akismet into phpbb |
| 02:17.04 | shorty114 | http://www.phpbb.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=393648 |
| 02:17.13 | L4m3r | purple_cow: in dealing with a few vB forums I've seen no attacks whatsoever from spam robots |
| 02:17.28 | L4m3r | in fact, I don't think I've seen any on any board other than phpBB |
| 02:17.39 | jh` | hmmm |
| 02:17.39 | shorty114 | then you haven't gotten around much |
| 02:18.02 | shorty114 | i've heard of punbb forums that have been spammed, vB, IPB, all of them are vunerable to spam |
| 02:18.10 | jh` | how long you guys been doing web things? |
| 02:18.13 | L4m3r | oh of course |
| 02:18.34 | L4m3r | but phpBB is the windows of web forums in the sense that its popularity makes it a target :\ |
| 02:19.00 | purple_cow | any system where you allow people to create accounts and add content is vulnerable to spam |
| 02:19.03 | jh` | i asked you a question |
| 02:19.31 | shorty114 | jh`: and wait for an answer. |
| 02:19.33 | L4m3r | oh, uh... a few years? I'm a bit young |
| 02:19.55 | L4m3r | I started doing forums 4 or 5 years ago |
| 02:20.08 | jh` | few years and you think you some sort of expert |
| 02:20.19 | L4m3r | no, of course not |
| 02:21.21 | jh` | ok |
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| 02:21.33 | jh` | free work is nice i guess |
| 02:22.30 | L4m3r | I mean, there's still a discrepancy here- not one spam issue with any other forums, compared to 2 or 3 per month (roughly) just on bzbb |
| 02:22.47 | DTRemenak | bzbb is very old and well linked |
| 02:22.48 | L4m3r | that has to count for something, right? |
| 02:23.27 | DTRemenak | and unmoderated for about a third of the day |
| 02:23.33 | shorty114 | L4m3r: how popular were those forums you worked with? |
| 02:23.40 | shorty114 | i doubt they're even close to bzbb's popularity |
| 02:23.45 | L4m3r | the ones I actually adminned were smaller |
| 02:23.59 | L4m3r | but I used a couple that were larger, XFN for instance |
| 02:24.03 | DTRemenak | more importantly, how old were they. bzbb has been in the same place for years |
| 02:24.09 | L4m3r | http://xoxideforums.com |
| 02:24.43 | shorty114 | i hate phpbb's MOD stuff |
| 02:24.47 | L4m3r | this forum is old, and a bad admin is driving most of the activity out right now, but it's been at that address for at least four years |
| 02:24.50 | shorty114 | needs a decent plugin API |
| 02:25.05 | L4m3r | PHP APIs are sorta silly in my opinion |
| 02:25.24 | L4m3r | vBulletin's old "code hacks" were a lot easier to mess with than plugins |
| 02:26.13 | L4m3r | they're really only meant for webmasters who are afraid of messing with code |
| 02:26.32 | purple_cow | having separate plugins is a lot more maintainable than patching code |
| 02:26.36 | purple_cow | what happens when you want to upgrade? |
| 02:26.42 | L4m3r | yeah, there's that |
| 02:26.56 | L4m3r | but it also makes the task of further modding very difficult |
| 02:27.28 | L4m3r | it's hard to even fix the styles around plugins because they just add content to the page on they fly |
| 02:27.53 | L4m3r | usually something silly like "stick the shoutbox after this HTML comment" |
| 02:28.02 | shorty114 | L4m3r: have you ever used wordpress' API? |
| 02:28.08 | L4m3r | nope |
| 02:28.08 | shorty114 | its got "hooks" everywhere that you can call into |
| 02:28.14 | shorty114 | really easy to make a plugin |
| 02:28.35 | L4m3r | hm. |
| 02:29.17 | L4m3r | and they work smoothly with the built-in system? they don't feel tacked-on? |
| 02:29.55 | shorty114 | nope |
| 02:30.03 | shorty114 | people have made wordpress do podcasts with just a plugin |
| 02:30.20 | shorty114 | there's a tagging plugin that feels like it's part of the core code |
| 02:30.25 | L4m3r | my only issue with the vB system is that it's too separated and adds extra stuff to maintain, rather than cleanly integrating itself with the main interface |
| 02:30.45 | L4m3r | but yeah, if there are better ways then sure |
| 02:31.41 | purple_cow | and it's not open, so you're dependent on the company |
| 02:32.04 | L4m3r | yeah, that is annoying |
| 02:32.54 | L4m3r | but unfortunately it's nice, well-established, and has a massive modding community surrounding it |
| 02:33.42 | L4m3r | phpBB can claim the same I suppose, but not to the same degree |
| 02:35.29 | shorty114 | phpbb's got a really huge modding community |
| 02:35.43 | shorty114 | except the code edits are hard to do when you're updating |
| 02:35.48 | L4m3r | so does vB ;) |
| 02:35.54 | L4m3r | brb... |
| 02:37.13 | purple_cow | it's all somewhat academic |
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| 02:38.07 | Guest247eu | o |
| 02:38.32 | shorty114 | vB vs. phpBB is really your own opinion |
| 02:38.42 | shorty114 | i would take phpBB because it's free, open-source and i'm familiar with it |
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| 02:58.43 | L4m3r | shorty114: vBulletin may not be free but it's hard to distribute PHP software that isn't open-source ;) |
| 02:59.22 | L4m3r | Patching isn't so bad, vB used to have an automated "hack installer" that did the patching |
| 02:59.51 | L4m3r | if the same could be done for upgrading, patching would theoretically be *easier* than plug-ins, and cleaner to boot |
| 03:00.51 | purple_cow | except when two patches conflict |
| 03:01.21 | L4m3r | yeah, that does happen |
| 03:01.32 | L4m3r | but plugins can do that too, right? :) |
| 03:01.52 | purple_cow | sort of. if your API is designed well, probably not. |
| 03:02.02 | purple_cow | anyhow, it's unlikely bzbb will be changing significantly |
| 03:02.04 | purple_cow | too much data |
| 03:02.30 | L4m3r | true true |
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| 03:02.41 | L4m3r | and a new server system is more important anyway |
| 03:03.46 | L4m3r | now, has anything been said as far as the integrity of the data, if we were to use the "push" method? how do we make sure that game servers aren't BSing the stats server? |
| 03:04.28 | L4m3r | (not that we don't have that problem now) |
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| 03:45.08 | delusional | eric idle's spamalot is playing pgh this weekend |
| 03:45.16 | L4m3r | JeffM2501: you missed the lovely one today- you signed off momentarily and I had to ask DTR |
| 03:45.20 | Theme97 | I saw Splamalot... |
| 03:47.13 | delusional | is it eric idle, or on of the other monty's |
| 04:10.16 | a_meteorite | Theme97_: WAKE UP! |
| 04:10.28 | a_meteorite | Revive thyself. |
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| 17:24.51 | CBG | little :P |
| 17:25.31 | ibunny | hahahaa |
| 17:25.44 | ibunny | hey wait i dont know that >_< |
| 17:26.01 | ibunny | oh |
| 17:26.13 | ibunny | someone is having an orange for lunch |
| 17:26.15 | ibunny | kinki* |
| 17:26.29 | CBG | heh |
| 17:26.50 | Birdie | you do know that:) |
| 17:32.20 | ibunny | NO! |
| 17:32.24 | ibunny | i havent seen you! |
| 17:32.33 | ibunny | or that little thing.. cbg reffers to |
| 17:32.35 | ibunny | >_< |
| 17:32.36 | ibunny | gosh. |
| 17:32.53 | CBG | har har :P |
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| 18:08.35 | CBG | holy shit |
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| 18:17.08 | brlcad | CBG language |
| 18:17.20 | CBG | sorry, was the wrong window :( |
| 18:17.36 | brlcad | immaculately |
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| 20:44.38 | mbvo | I'm running ubuntu, and would like to play bzflag again but can't get it working on here, can some1 help me? |
| 20:46.19 | tannerld | I run ubuntu. Whats the problem? |
| 20:47.59 | mbvo | i downloaded the installer and it apears to start installing then gives me what apears to be an error that didn't display correctly |
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| 20:48.48 | L4m3r | mbvo, just get it from the apt repository. |
| 20:49.10 | L4m3r | "sudo apt-get install bzflag" should do it |
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| 20:49.38 | L4m3r | (you may want to "sudo apt-get update" first) |
| 20:53.30 | mbvo | ok the package is installed, now what? |
| 20:54.02 | mbvo | nvm, i found it |
| 20:54.08 | tannerld | :) |
| 20:54.28 | L4m3r | repos are nice, aren't they? :) |
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| 20:54.51 | mbvo | does bzflag run without x window? |
| 20:55.23 | L4m3r | I don't know. Probably not. |
| 20:58.02 | gsnedders | no, it doesn't |
| 20:58.27 | mbvo | well it works now |
| 20:58.29 | mbvo | thanx |
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| 21:53.03 | A_Heart_Attack | I have a question? |
| 21:53.08 | A_Heart_Attack | whos lilo? |
| 21:53.14 | A_Heart_Attack | in the topic it says: |
| 21:53.15 | A_Heart_Attack | Condolences to lilo's friends, family, the PDPC, and the Freenode network at large for his passing. |
| 21:56.12 | SportyGal | A_Heart_Attack: lilo was the president of PDPC and ran freenode networks |
| 21:56.18 | SportyGal | he founded freenode |
| 21:56.46 | A_Heart_Attack | wow |
| 21:57.29 | A_Heart_Attack | thats sad |
| 21:57.35 | A_Heart_Attack | how old was he when he died? |
| 21:58.50 | Erroneous | 51. got hit by a car while riding his bike. |
| 22:00.19 | A_Heart_Attack | wow |
| 22:00.24 | A_Heart_Attack | thats even more sad |
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| 22:01.16 | CBG | hence the topic :( |
| 22:04.14 | malcolm | I've got bzflag running on ubuntu, but it's running extremely slow, there's no possable way to play with this kind of lag. The system I'm on is a 1.2 Ghz celeron, 256 Mb RAM and onboard video(hp pavilian 501n). I've killed some unneeded processes(apache2, mysql, etc.) but I can't get rid of the lag, it's even got lag in the menu |
| 22:04.38 | [NP]Tangent | k guys, I'll be back tomorrow. later. [amsg] |
| 22:04.42 | A_Heart_Attack | c ya |
| 22:04.51 | CBG | Try turning the "Energy Saver" on in the in-game options. |
| 22:05.35 | Erroneous | malcolm: your video chip is insufficient. turn texturing off, and quality to low, and you might have a chance |
| 22:06.41 | malcolm | will it work on a compaq qvision 2000? |
| 22:06.56 | malcolm | or nvidia 64? |
| 22:07.06 | malcolm | both pci cards |
| 22:07.47 | Erroneous | dunno what chip the compaq has in it, and it depends on the model name for nvidia |
| 22:09.11 | malcolm | i think it's a TNT model 64 or something like that |
| 22:09.40 | malcolm | and the compaq card came out of a 486, it's got 4mb of ram on it |
| 22:09.49 | malcolm | the nvidia one has 32 mb of ram |
| 22:10.07 | malcolm | but tends to overheat |
| 22:10.55 | Erroneous | a tnt2 m64 will do the job as far as hardware goes, but you need the right drivers, and I dunno what they are for linux. you'd also need to keep your settings way down on it |
| 22:11.58 | malcolm | my settings r all the way down and with the onboard it's still got too much lag |
| 22:12.02 | PuMpErNiCkLe | A TNT2 probably uses the legacy nvidia drivers. |
| 22:12.27 | PuMpErNiCkLe | They're in the 'nvidia-glx-legacy' package on ubuntu. |
| 22:12.28 | malcolm | i guess this is what i get for being cheap |
| 22:12.29 | Erroneous | not surprising. your onboard video is probably an i815, which is about as slow as they come |
| 22:12.43 | malcolm | ya i think so |
| 22:13.01 | Erroneous | they've been jokingly referred to as "video decelerators" |
| 22:13.09 | malcolm | but i had it running on a i810 on an 800 mhz, win 2000 better than this |
| 22:13.20 | Erroneous | intel's drivers cheat on windows |
| 22:13.41 | malcolm | what do u mean? |
| 22:13.46 | Erroneous | I'd still be surprised if it was playable |
| 22:14.02 | Erroneous | they offload most of the work to a relatively fast software gl library |
| 22:14.29 | malcolm | I have a better card in a server but the server is the only computer here that has an agp slot |
| 22:15.01 | Erroneous | you can still find geforce 4mx or fx5200 pci cards |
| 22:15.12 | Erroneous | which have more than enough power for bzflag |
| 22:15.20 | malcolm | not where i look i can't |
| 22:15.39 | malcolm | i don't have an income, so i find parts in dumpsters |
| 22:16.46 | Erroneous | you should consider getting some income, it's useful :) |
| 22:17.20 | malcolm | is there any kind of software for linux that will make my graphics card run faster? |
| 22:17.27 | Erroneous | heh |
| 22:17.34 | Erroneous | can't run faster than the hardware is capable of |
| 22:17.47 | Erroneous | if you use the tnt, you can spend some time looking for the right drivers for it |
| 22:17.55 | Erroneous | and it should work fine |
| 22:18.06 | malcolm | well having 1 Mb of ram allocated to the video card doesn't help ether |
| 22:18.18 | Erroneous | bzflag should not run at all in that case |
| 22:18.28 | Erroneous | we require ~4mb just to load the fonts for the menus |
| 22:18.51 | Erroneous | unless you're running a really ancient version of bzflag |
| 22:18.56 | malcolm | my bios can be set to run 512k or 1M for the video card |
| 22:19.02 | malcolm | it's set on 1M |
| 22:19.11 | malcolm | it's the current version |
| 22:20.20 | malcolm | well I'm gana shut down and see if i can get the nvidia card working |
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| 23:09.34 | Guest252eu | test |
| 23:09.58 | PuMpErNiCkLe | fail |
| 23:10.06 | Guest252eu | lol |
| 23:10.10 | Guest252eu | not :P |
| 23:10.27 | Guest252eu | hi menotumeno and all! ;) |
| 23:11.13 | Guest252eu | byebye |
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