| 00:00.04 | KyleH | bzflag went from reporting "Couldn't open audio: No available audio device" to no error. I did have to go into options and turn sound on and increase the volume from zero. |
| 00:00.05 | JeffM2501 | but then CB for the name dosn't make sense, since it also changes the shape of the tanks you view |
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| 00:11.05 | KyleH | ok, new issue. I have to run bzflag with "-window" because I get errors otherwise (but this window is too small) |
| 00:11.14 | KyleH | I also get the same error with the -geometry flag |
| 00:11.33 | a_meteorite | Issue in current 2.0.x CVS... |
| 00:11.35 | KyleH | how can I explore the video modes that bzflag will accept without error? |
| 00:11.55 | a_meteorite | src/bzfs/GameKeeper.h:180 has an extra ";". Should be none at the end of the line |
| 00:12.05 | a_meteorite | Would be nice if someone with commit fixed that. :) |
| 00:12.18 | KyleH | ack! Another recompile! |
| 00:12.20 | KyleH | heh |
| 00:12.45 | a_meteorite | Probably was never noticed because it's only if you have --enable-threads |
| 00:14.15 | KyleH | 180? |
| 00:14.19 | KyleH | here is 179: inline void GameKeeper::Player::handleTcpPacket(fd_set *) {;}; |
| 00:14.29 | KyleH | that ; at the end should go? |
| 00:14.40 | JeffM2501 | the one in the {} |
| 00:14.51 | KyleH | so it should be: inline void GameKeeper::Player::handleTcpPacket(fd_set *) {}; |
| 00:15.03 | a_meteorite | JeffM2501: If you leave one at the end it won't compile. |
| 00:15.11 | KyleH | as I suspected |
| 00:15.16 | a_meteorite | That doesn't compile for me. |
| 00:15.20 | a_meteorite | Only inline void GameKeeper::Player::handleTcpPacket(fd_set *) {;} does |
| 00:15.30 | KyleH | {;} looks like some sort of new perl6 operator! hehe |
| 00:15.34 | a_meteorite | Don't ask me why... it just does... |
| 00:15.43 | JeffM2501 | outside is used often in other places |
| 00:15.52 | JeffM2501 | IIRC |
| 00:17.33 | JeffM2501 | your using threads? |
| 00:17.45 | a_meteorite | yes |
| 00:17.53 | JeffM2501 | why? |
| 00:18.01 | a_meteorite | threads keep me from going NR while idling. I have no idea why, but they do. |
| 00:18.10 | JeffM2501 | it's a server thing |
| 00:18.11 | a_meteorite | Same with observer |
| 00:18.12 | JeffM2501 | not a client thing |
| 00:18.17 | JeffM2501 | but ok |
| 00:18.33 | a_meteorite | it just does :) |
| 00:18.47 | KyleH | recompiling now - so I'll see if {}; works for me |
| 00:19.12 | JeffM2501 | or just do return;} |
| 00:19.16 | JeffM2501 | ether or should work |
| 00:19.19 | JeffM2501 | as long as there is one |
| 00:19.24 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/GameKeeper.h: don't need double ; |
| 00:20.40 | KyleH | it was a nice thought; but it did not fix my error (still here): X Error of failed request: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation) |
| 00:20.41 | a_meteorite | " {};" fails when it gets to bzfsPlugins.cxx "GameKeeper.h:180: error: extra ';'" |
| 00:20.50 | a_meteorite | So, yeah, the other way around works.. |
| 00:21.07 | JeffM2501 | what I checked in should work |
| 00:21.10 | a_meteorite | k |
| 00:21.45 | KyleH | JeffM2501: did you make any other change than the removal of that one {;}; = {}; |
| 00:22.16 | JeffM2501 | I did {return;} |
| 00:22.16 | JeffM2501 | should work on all compilers |
| 00:22.20 | a_meteorite | ahh |
| 00:22.42 | JeffM2501 | cus like most of the virtual functions in bzfsapi.h are done as {}; |
| 00:22.58 | JeffM2501 | so it makes no sense why tht ONE dosn't work for you both ad the rest do |
| 00:23.10 | a_meteorite | buggy compiler? |
| 00:23.16 | JeffM2501 | must be |
| 00:23.28 | JeffM2501 | there are 53 cases of {}; |
| 00:23.33 | a_meteorite | blame Apple's packaged GCC4.0.1 then :) |
| 00:23.46 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:23.48 | a_meteorite | hehe |
| 00:24.06 | a_meteorite | "{return;}" worked |
| 00:24.21 | JeffM2501 | if that didn't then there would be big problems |
| 00:24.24 | a_meteorite | heh |
| 00:32.32 | hardwire | is there a faq on the bzflag network protocol? |
| 00:32.53 | JeffM2501 | just the code |
| 00:33.00 | hardwire | I was afeared of that! |
| 00:33.16 | brlcad | slightly out of date, but there is doc/guide/NetworkProtocol.xml |
| 00:33.18 | JeffM2501 | it's not realy that complex :) |
| 00:33.18 | hardwire | I was thinking us dual headers woudn't mind having a libpcap fuled extra large radar :) |
| 00:33.49 | JeffM2501 | what is libpcap? |
| 00:33.54 | hardwire | lib packet capture |
| 00:34.05 | hardwire | I suppose I could just modify the client too |
| 00:34.09 | JeffM2501 | why not just have the client draw the radar in another window? |
| 00:34.14 | hardwire | yeh well |
| 00:34.21 | hardwire | I forgot you aren't closed source is why |
| 00:34.23 | JeffM2501 | or span the display |
| 00:34.57 | JeffM2501 | the what? |
| 00:35.16 | hardwire | when a tanke is within distance of you.. and rotated near you.. to make a kill shot |
| 00:35.25 | JeffM2501 | that is geting into the area of cheats |
| 00:35.31 | blast007 | danger comes from every direction! /me goes and hides under a clothes basket |
| 00:35.35 | JeffM2501 | you don't want to be a cheater do you? |
| 00:35.41 | hardwire | JeffM2501: I really stink at this game |
| 00:35.44 | hardwire | so yes |
| 00:35.47 | blast007 | .. |
| 00:35.51 | hardwire | but no.. I don't |
| 00:35.51 | JeffM2501 | and that's an excuse to cheat? |
| 00:36.01 | hardwire | JeffM2501: I'm just joshin |
| 00:36.15 | hardwire | I hate cheaters |
| 00:36.34 | hardwire | but seriously.. I am totally bad at this game. |
| 00:37.11 | hardwire | passive cheating is kinda grey area don't you think? |
| 00:37.21 | a_meteorite | no, that's cheating :) |
| 00:37.44 | hardwire | I am just being the devils advocate here |
| 00:37.47 | hardwire | but you have a radar |
| 00:37.50 | hardwire | and it shows everything |
| 00:37.57 | brlcad | it doesn't show everything |
| 00:38.08 | brlcad | it actually doesn't show a lot of information that it could |
| 00:38.22 | hardwire | ok.. well i suck at being devil advocate as well |
| 00:38.32 | hardwire | whats it missing exactly? |
| 00:38.33 | blast007 | hardwire: by adding additional information to the screen, or altering how the client performs or reacts, that could be considered a cheat |
| 00:39.02 | blast007 | hardwire: lots of things |
| 00:39.06 | hardwire | blast007: I agree to a point.. |
| 00:39.16 | blast007 | I'd rather not enumerate all the missing information |
| 00:39.27 | hardwire | you may have to.. I can be very persuasive. |
| 00:39.38 | blast007 | I don't have to do anything :) |
| 00:39.42 | blast007 | I can just stop typing |
| 00:39.48 | hardwire | I will blast you with cuteoverload.com until you are a wimpering little tattle tale |
| 00:39.56 | a_meteorite | :o |
| 00:40.19 | hardwire | you can say that again |
| 00:40.42 | a_meteorite | cuteoverload.com is real :o |
| 00:41.12 | a_meteorite | The truth is hardwire secretly owns cuteoverload.com ;) |
| 00:41.32 | hardwire | blast007: brlcad: I think there are a lot of things that could be added.. that aren't explicitely removed from the radar |
| 00:41.55 | JeffM2501 | radar needs to be decoupled from positional updates |
| 00:42.02 | brlcad | there is a lot that could be added, though much is not added for a reason |
| 00:42.28 | blast007 | the radar is not designed to be a primary point of focus, it should just be an aid |
| 00:42.34 | brlcad | if you have a specific idea, that makes it easier to talk about the feature than vagueries |
| 00:42.42 | blast007 | it is already beyong the point of 'aid' in the current state |
| 00:42.48 | blast007 | some people play the game by it ;) |
| 00:43.00 | JeffM2501 | it's not even like a real radar, it's a satlite view |
| 00:43.04 | blast007 | yeah |
| 00:43.28 | blast007 | yet somehow the clouds and rain don't impair the reception! |
| 00:44.06 | JeffM2501 | nor does the blocking mass of anything above |
| 00:44.14 | JeffM2501 | must be like nutrino based detection |
| 00:44.29 | hardwire | I like bzflag because its a mix of a few things I like |
| 00:44.35 | JeffM2501 | in 2.1 if they want a top view game, they can just mod the camera |
| 00:44.38 | hardwire | but I keep wanting to incorporate little things |
| 00:44.41 | hardwire | I love Worms games |
| 00:44.46 | JeffM2501 | oh god |
| 00:44.52 | hardwire | ok I'll shut up |
| 00:44.59 | JeffM2501 | those games are horible ;) |
| 00:45.06 | JeffM2501 | just play scorched earth |
| 00:45.10 | hardwire | yes |
| 00:45.12 | hardwire | that too |
| 00:45.15 | JeffM2501 | at least it's not cutesy |
| 00:45.16 | hardwire | I started on scorched earth |
| 00:45.22 | hardwire | I love fried worms |
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| 00:45.41 | hardwire | anyways.. mortar would be a great weapon addition.. but completely useless |
| 00:45.43 | hardwire | everybody is too fast |
| 00:46.08 | hardwire | it would have a blast radius atleast |
| 00:46.11 | JeffM2501 | I'd like to see the radar signal have a slightly fuzzy update, so the postions are not totaly accurate, and then fuzz the accuracy more for distance |
| 00:46.14 | hardwire | but.. thats another game all together |
| 00:46.17 | JeffM2501 | and make enough mass block the radar |
| 00:46.28 | hardwire | everybody would hate you |
| 00:46.33 | JeffM2501 | blast radius only makes sense if you have damage |
| 00:46.35 | JeffM2501 | yes they would |
| 00:46.39 | JeffM2501 | but many do now already |
| 00:46.43 | JeffM2501 | so what's a few more? ;) |
| 00:46.45 | hardwire | JeffM2501: dead or not dead is fine by me |
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| 00:46.47 | hardwire | like shockwave |
| 00:46.48 | hardwire | just smaller |
| 00:46.51 | blast007 | then they'll just stay on 2.0.x ;) |
| 00:47.03 | JeffM2501 | then use shockwave |
| 00:47.05 | hardwire | or the super bouncy ball grenade |
| 00:47.06 | JeffM2501 | and mod the radius |
| 00:47.15 | hardwire | fire in the hole.. and then little shockwave |
| 00:47.30 | JeffM2501 | what would be that flags disadvantage or counter? |
| 00:47.40 | hardwire | slow |
| 00:47.53 | JeffM2501 | would that be enough? |
| 00:48.05 | hardwire | if you can only fire one at a time.. with a 5 second counter until it blows |
| 00:48.09 | JeffM2501 | also if it falls, you'd want to be able to aim up for a lob |
| 00:48.15 | JeffM2501 | and that means a new controll structure |
| 00:48.20 | hardwire | sigh |
| 00:48.21 | hardwire | I know |
| 00:48.29 | hardwire | but it may be fun to start out with |
| 00:48.29 | JeffM2501 | the gameplay is basicly 2d |
| 00:48.36 | hardwire | its a 3d 2d game |
| 00:48.37 | JeffM2501 | it realy limits what you can do |
| 00:48.40 | hardwire | yeh |
| 00:48.45 | JeffM2501 | I call it 2.5d |
| 00:48.49 | hardwire | but Im down with it :) |
| 00:48.54 | JeffM2501 | it's a bunch of stacked 2d games |
| 00:49.09 | hardwire | I was really happy one year when all of a sudden there were ceilings on objects |
| 00:49.29 | hardwire | and I went under one |
| 00:49.32 | JeffM2501 | the map object system is just about as good as can get with the curent game play |
| 00:49.33 | hardwire | the joy. |
| 00:49.43 | hardwire | I bet |
| 00:49.51 | JeffM2501 | it has some bugs that need to be fixed, realy you can define just about any object that makes sense for the gameplay |
| 00:52.12 | JeffM2501 | now then, if we force the use of the mouse, to move the turret, swap movement over to WADS, add health, ammo, and armor |
| 00:52.22 | JeffM2501 | and a bfg.... |
| 00:52.43 | spldart | Yay! BFG |
| 00:53.19 | hardwire | JeffM2501: sounds interesting.. but it doesn't sound like bzflag :) |
| 00:53.28 | JeffM2501 | and hovertanks that can stafe |
| 00:53.31 | spldart | BZBFG |
| 00:53.35 | hardwire | ooh |
| 00:53.37 | JeffM2501 | exactly |
| 00:53.44 | JeffM2501 | any large change to bz makes it no bz |
| 00:53.48 | JeffM2501 | not |
| 00:54.01 | hardwire | tron light cycle games.. thats limiting |
| 00:54.04 | hardwire | but if you change it |
| 00:54.04 | hardwire | well |
| 00:54.07 | hardwire | its just not cool |
| 00:54.25 | spldart | Cool is relative |
| 00:54.34 | hardwire | my relatives aren't cool. |
| 00:55.00 | spldart | Most relatives are frigid |
| 00:55.12 | spldart | Frigid ain't cool |
| 00:56.16 | spldart | "BZFlag... Like the other side of the pillow." |
| 00:56.26 | hardwire | that could draw good attention |
| 00:56.37 | hardwire | except the other side of my pillow had a spider this morning |
| 00:56.51 | spldart | Along with your tank models? |
| 00:56.57 | hardwire | :) |
| 00:57.02 | hardwire | I need to go over backups and find it |
| 00:57.17 | hardwire | made it in blender.. exported to triangles and imported into bzflags model array |
| 00:57.29 | hardwire | I bet the model is more complicated now |
| 00:57.37 | hardwire | don't the turrets have a material that moves? |
| 00:57.51 | hardwire | treads :) |
| 00:59.26 | JeffM2501 | the tank does not use the material system |
| 00:59.30 | JeffM2501 | it's all hardcoded |
| 00:59.45 | JeffM2501 | it is |
| 00:59.50 | JeffM2501 | but it's a hardcoded animation |
| 00:59.51 | hardwire | which part? |
| 00:59.54 | JeffM2501 | the treads |
| 00:59.55 | hardwire | oh |
| 01:00.01 | hardwire | so the treads are actual triangles? |
| 01:00.12 | JeffM2501 | it's a texture on the flat treads |
| 01:00.15 | hardwire | ok |
| 01:00.19 | JeffM2501 | and the some wheels that turn |
| 01:00.24 | JeffM2501 | so it's more then just a slide |
| 01:00.37 | hardwire | mesh changes or more texture changes? |
| 01:00.40 | spldart | The electric slide |
| 01:00.50 | JeffM2501 | the geometry for the wheels is rotated |
| 01:00.55 | hardwire | woo |
| 01:01.03 | JeffM2501 | around specific points |
| 01:01.04 | hardwire | Ima hard code me an angry spider tonight |
| 01:01.12 | hardwire | its gonna eatchuuu |
| 01:01.18 | JeffM2501 | got a screenshot? |
| 01:01.19 | spldart | With a rotating spinerette |
| 01:01.25 | hardwire | JeffM2501: not of the old one |
| 01:02.09 | hardwire | it felt more appropriate to have a futuristic style non conventional tank design |
| 01:02.15 | hardwire | just because it can't do silly things like look up |
| 01:02.21 | hardwire | and its not really a war game |
| 01:02.28 | hardwire | I guess thats why I was inclined to initially change it |
| 01:02.34 | hardwire | but initially.. it was a fun game with silly tanks |
| 01:02.49 | hardwire | that couldn't do crap, much like being the boot on monopoly |
| 01:03.46 | hardwire | and well.. once they started flying.. |
| 01:04.21 | hardwire | you might as well have a beehive running around with a gun pointed out of it |
| 01:05.16 | hardwire | whats the original model made in? |
| 01:05.25 | blast007 | like the beehive from conker's bad fur day ;) |
| 01:05.33 | hardwire | I never saw that :) |
| 01:05.58 | hardwire | all patches are accepted for CVS only right |
| 01:06.20 | JeffM2501 | depens what it is |
| 01:06.34 | JeffM2501 | but we have no plans for a new 2.0.x version |
| 01:07.15 | hardwire | snagging debian source - 2.0.8.20060605 |
| 01:07.54 | hardwire | there should be a mod for turn based mortar fire :) |
| 01:09.02 | hardwire | oh this is quite weird |
| 01:09.23 | hardwire | what are the low/high turret/body/barrel files? |
| 01:09.24 | JeffM2501 | that would need client mods and a proto break |
| 01:09.31 | JeffM2501 | the LODs |
| 01:09.35 | hardwire | LOD? |
| 01:09.36 | JeffM2501 | for each part |
| 01:09.40 | JeffM2501 | Level Of Detail |
| 01:09.45 | hardwire | *sigh* |
| 01:09.46 | hardwire | duh |
| 01:10.06 | hardwire | oh there is no way I can export anything like this from blender |
| 01:10.10 | JeffM2501 | distance and quality level determine what one is used |
| 01:10.13 | JeffM2501 | no there is not |
| 01:10.15 | hardwire | this file used to be quite different |
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| 01:10.21 | JeffM2501 | hence why I keep saying it is HARDCODED |
| 01:10.29 | JeffM2501 | it was writen in by hand |
| 01:10.30 | hardwire | everything can be hardcoded man |
| 01:10.48 | hardwire | I can export something.. and hardcoded it into a vertex list :) |
| 01:10.48 | JeffM2501 | it's very specific to it's use |
| 01:11.04 | JeffM2501 | if that's all it was, I'd have it reading an OBJ file in 1.10 |
| 01:11.13 | JeffM2501 | it's very very specific for that model |
| 01:11.23 | hardwire | thats what it was |
| 01:11.27 | hardwire | I had no problems then |
| 01:11.28 | spldart | round and round and round |
| 01:11.36 | hardwire | you picking on me? |
| 01:11.40 | spldart | nah |
| 01:11.40 | JeffM2501 | it's never been a vertex list |
| 01:11.41 | JeffM2501 | ever |
| 01:11.44 | spldart | wouldnt' think of ti |
| 01:11.50 | JeffM2501 | it's always been a set of fans |
| 01:11.51 | hardwire | JeffM2501: :( |
| 01:11.57 | JeffM2501 | strips and fans |
| 01:11.57 | hardwire | must have been the OBJ I modified |
| 01:12.08 | hardwire | when the tanks had no texture right |
| 01:12.20 | hardwire | or was it just a texture applied to every face |
| 01:12.25 | hardwire | I forget |
| 01:12.30 | JeffM2501 | it's basicly always been the way it is now |
| 01:12.36 | JeffM2501 | we just added a few bits and faces |
| 01:12.38 | hardwire | well then color me insane |
| 01:12.43 | spldart | tweak |
| 01:12.44 | hardwire | I am going to have to find that code and take a screen shot |
| 01:12.47 | JeffM2501 | maybe your thinking about another game? |
| 01:12.52 | hardwire | its gonna be kinda hard however :) |
| 01:13.42 | hardwire | naw.. I totally remember doing this. |
| 01:13.42 | hardwire | to bzflag |
| 01:13.42 | hardwire | scanline helped me |
| 01:13.42 | JeffM2501 | then you have seen and edited those very files |
| 01:13.42 | JeffM2501 | you sure you didn't edit "pybzflag"? |
| 01:13.42 | hardwire | this isn't all that uncommon |
| 01:13.43 | hardwire | I have a terrible memory |
| 01:13.43 | hardwire | whats pybzflag? |
| 01:13.49 | JeffM2501 | a python redo of bzflag |
| 01:13.54 | JeffM2501 | that read from models |
| 01:13.54 | hardwire | newp |
| 01:13.55 | hardwire | and.. |
| 01:13.56 | hardwire | weird |
| 01:14.19 | spldart | Muz B 2 much vit B |
| 01:14.31 | hardwire | ginger! |
| 01:15.19 | JeffM2501 | now I did generate an obj file from the C code |
| 01:15.23 | JeffM2501 | that is probably what you edited |
| 01:15.32 | JeffM2501 | but the game never reads that |
| 01:15.53 | JeffM2501 | ohh. I think I may know... you MAY have done it in 1.8 |
| 01:15.56 | hardwire | what exactly did I edit? |
| 01:16.04 | JeffM2501 | the bzg file |
| 01:16.12 | JeffM2501 | how long ago do you think it was |
| 01:16.22 | hardwire | I .. can't .. remember.. |
| 01:16.23 | hardwire | so a long time |
| 01:16.25 | JeffM2501 | 1.8 read everything from a bzg |
| 01:16.41 | hardwire | and that went away why? |
| 01:16.59 | JeffM2501 | cus noone understood 1.8 code, CRS stoped working on it, and it was way busted |
| 01:17.05 | JeffM2501 | so it was all mothballed |
| 01:17.30 | JeffM2501 | and we went ahead with the 1.7 line and made it into 1.9, released as 1.10 |
| 01:17.32 | hardwire | nofun |
| 01:17.43 | JeffM2501 | that is probably what you remember |
| 01:17.44 | hardwire | I will find the backups |
| 01:17.50 | JeffM2501 | that's gotta bel like 4-5 years ago |
| 01:17.57 | hardwire | I have 6 years of backups |
| 01:17.59 | JeffM2501 | that code is efecivly useless |
| 01:18.08 | hardwire | like I said.. bad memory :) |
| 01:18.23 | spldart | 6 years of bz backups!?!? |
| 01:18.24 | JeffM2501 | well few remember 1.8 |
| 01:18.43 | JeffM2501 | CVs has all the 1.8 code |
| 01:18.53 | blast007 | and rain |
| 01:18.54 | JeffM2501 | heck I have bzflag code back to 1.7b2 |
| 01:19.16 | hardwire | bzflag 1.8 |
| 01:19.21 | hardwire | word |
| 01:19.28 | hardwire | you are the man JeffM2501 |
| 01:19.31 | L4m3r | wasn't 1.8 also the first to have, you know, that BZDB thing? |
| 01:19.37 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 01:19.39 | L4m3r | ;) |
| 01:19.46 | JeffM2501 | bzdb was realy the only thing moved over |
| 01:19.57 | JeffM2501 | like directly |
| 01:20.08 | JeffM2501 | it also had support for ogg vorbis sounds |
| 01:20.17 | L4m3r | wow |
| 01:20.31 | JeffM2501 | crs did a prety major rewrite on it |
| 01:20.49 | JeffM2501 | as he was one of the few people who knows all the code |
| 01:21.13 | blast007 | man, I might have to dig out VC6 and see if I can built it :) |
| 01:21.14 | hardwire | I wonder if blender can even read these files |
| 01:21.33 | JeffM2501 | they were our own format |
| 01:21.35 | JeffM2501 | so probably not |
| 01:21.38 | JeffM2501 | there was a converter |
| 01:21.47 | JeffM2501 | but I don't know if it goes both ways |
| 01:22.00 | JeffM2501 | 1.8 was before belender went open source IIRC |
| 01:22.20 | hardwire | http://bogomip-home.dnsalias.net/newtank/ |
| 01:22.25 | hardwire | I believe thats what I worked off of |
| 01:22.55 | JeffM2501 | heh, vrml files :) |
| 01:23.10 | hardwire | yum |
| 01:23.12 | hardwire | newtank.blend is the one |
| 01:23.20 | JeffM2501 | take a screeny |
| 01:23.22 | hardwire | even has some code in there somewhere for exporting it I believe |
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| 01:26.18 | hardwire | taking them now |
| 01:28.48 | hardwire | http://www.flickr.com/photos/61745679@N00/ |
| 01:28.48 | hardwire | top 3 |
| 01:28.48 | hardwire | the blue one never made it to prime time :) |
| 01:29.19 | JeffM2501 | very war of the worlds |
| 01:30.11 | hardwire | this was quite a while ago :) |
| 01:30.18 | hardwire | before wow reloaded |
| 01:32.17 | JeffM2501 | still not a bad design |
| 01:32.27 | hardwire | I had lots of fun blender design time |
| 01:32.31 | hardwire | I was self employed at one poin |
| 01:32.37 | hardwire | which meant.. a lot of sitting around and stuff |
| 01:32.48 | JeffM2501 | fun |
| 01:32.52 | JeffM2501 | time to go home :) |
| 02:02.24 | hardwire | wow |
| 02:02.26 | hardwire | its amazing how much you guys have put into the model |
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| 03:06.22 | Flash | JeffM2501 has left, but does anyone remember the original Silicon Graphics version of BZFlag (before it went open source)? |
| 03:07.46 | brlcad | Flash: some still have/play it |
| 03:08.17 | brlcad | it's just a subset of the features, mostly |
| 03:08.23 | Flash | True |
| 03:08.37 | brlcad | you can get pretty close to it if you load up a simple map with minimal features, turn the graphics way down, etc |
| 03:08.43 | Flash | It had different tank types |
| 03:09.21 | Flash | stealth was slow (but invisible to radar) and only shot regular bullets |
| 03:09.24 | brlcad | you may be thinking of bz |
| 03:09.34 | Flash | There was a CTF component |
| 03:10.06 | Flash | regular was more manueverable, but slow and could shoot GM (I think) |
| 03:10.17 | Flash | super was faster |
| 03:10.30 | Flash | runner was very fast (don't even remember if it could shoot) |
| 03:10.40 | JeffM2501 | I hhave left? |
| 03:11.02 | JeffM2501 | Flash, the tanks are the same |
| 03:11.03 | Flash | yes, you signed off to go home at 19:32 (MDT) |
| 03:11.14 | Flash | lol |
| 03:11.15 | JeffM2501 | you are thinking of BZ |
| 03:11.17 | JeffM2501 | not bzflag |
| 03:11.19 | JeffM2501 | difrent game |
| 03:11.19 | Flash | ok |
| 03:11.35 | Flash | it HAS been about 15 years |
| 03:11.39 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 03:11.47 | JeffM2501 | bz never went open source |
| 03:11.54 | JeffM2501 | it's owned by SGI last we heard |
| 03:12.08 | Flash | oh... I always thought there was some common heritage |
| 03:12.11 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 03:12.20 | JeffM2501 | other then both authors REALY liked battlezone |
| 03:24.09 | shorty114 | anyone played around with compiz/xgl? |
| 03:54.45 | SportChick | brlcad: I'm checking into the problem |
| 03:56.08 | brlcad | SportChick: into what problem? |
| 03:56.24 | SportChick | the email you sent me |
| 03:56.29 | brlcad | ah |
| 03:56.36 | SportChick | I don't see anything wrong |
| 03:56.57 | SportChick | the only possibility is that TimeWarner didn't route it properly (they bought Adelphia out here) |
| 03:57.05 | SportChick | otherwise, it seems fine |
| 03:57.59 | SportChick | and incidentally, the message DID get through - just delayed |
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| 04:09.28 | Sargun | Did spitfire die, or is the server finally moving over? |
| 04:11.38 | Sargun | Going down for reboot! |
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| 05:08.48 | DTRemenak | blast007: I don't recall 1.8 ever building correctly on windows...the fancy xml stuff had some issues with vc |
| 05:09.11 | JeffM2501 | I recall I had it almost working at one point |
| 05:09.19 | DTRemenak | yeah..."almost working" :) |
| 05:09.32 | JeffM2501 | oh I'm sure I could do it now |
| 05:09.38 | JeffM2501 | I must be way smarter now :) |
| 05:09.42 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 05:09.52 | DTRemenak | you could probably get it to build on vc8 |
| 05:10.09 | JeffM2501 | maybe even 7.1 |
| 05:10.13 | DTRemenak | naw, I tried that |
| 05:10.21 | JeffM2501 | how bad? |
| 05:10.24 | DTRemenak | there was some funky template stuff it barfed on |
| 05:10.39 | DTRemenak | and I am not a great fan of templates |
| 05:10.39 | JeffM2501 | so replace em :) |
| 05:10.43 | DTRemenak | thought about it |
| 05:10.49 | DTRemenak | gave up instead :) |
| 05:11.09 | JeffM2501 | comeon then we can base a fork off it |
| 05:11.16 | JeffM2501 | and call it bzflag.. the lost episode |
| 05:11.18 | DTRemenak | was too busy working on the os/2 port at the time I think :) |
| 05:11.25 | DTRemenak | speaking of useless code |
| 05:12.00 | JeffM2501 | hah.. v1_8 and v1_8abord |
| 05:12.06 | JeffM2501 | nice second tag there |
| 05:12.28 | DTRemenak | the abort branch was tagged when 1.7 went back to head |
| 05:12.34 | JeffM2501 | I'm prety sure I had it working on windows once now, I replaced the tank |
| 05:12.41 | DTRemenak | oh you may have |
| 05:12.43 | JeffM2501 | with the one from that image |
| 05:12.47 | DTRemenak | I never saw it run on windows though :) |
| 05:12.50 | JeffM2501 | the red and gray one |
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| 05:23.13 | JeffM2501 | ahh ot |
| 05:23.19 | JeffM2501 | it's the tree thingy |
| 05:27.26 | JeffM2501 | there's a new version of tree.hh by the author |
| 05:27.28 | JeffM2501 | 2.2 |
| 05:27.36 | JeffM2501 | crs used 1.09 |
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| 05:31.27 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v1_8 * 10bzflag/include/tree.h: upgrade to curret version of tree.h (2.2) |
| 05:31.38 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 05:47.33 | JeffM2501 | yeah, screw it :) |
| 05:47.42 | Sargun | lol |
| 05:47.48 | JeffM2501 | easyer to just replace it with like tinyXML |
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| 06:50.39 | Manu | brlcad: /usr: write failed, filesystem is full |
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| 08:02.52 | ibunny | morning :**** brlcad |
| 08:03.02 | ibunny | and.. morning manu manu |
| 08:03.16 | ibunny | and of course morning ! to the rest :P |
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| 09:51.36 | tarco | u here dj |
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| 09:52.16 | daniel_jackson | hey tarco |
| 09:52.38 | tarco | just got the server booting up |
| 09:52.42 | daniel_jackson | do you remember how to register? |
| 09:53.07 | tarco | rats forgot |
| 09:53.30 | daniel_jackson | "/msg NickServ register <password>" |
| 09:54.03 | tarco | done |
| 09:54.29 | daniel_jackson | now do the same but change register to identify |
| 09:54.32 | tarco | *sigh* |
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| 14:55.10 | tokimi | id like to report some a spam topic: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=9188 |
| 14:55.18 | tokimi | some one* |
| 14:55.25 | tokimi | hmmm |
| 14:55.32 | tokimi | "id like to report to some..." |
| 14:55.33 | tokimi | there we go |
| 14:55.36 | tokimi | proper englsih |
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| 15:14.10 | spldart | hehe... the "IT" guy here is fraggan the whole network LOLOL |
| 15:14.40 | spldart | IB he blames my @%& linux machine again.... |
| 15:17.04 | spldart | hrm |
| 15:26.46 | |zongo| | orange, ping |
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| 15:30.55 | Skeeve | yellow, pong |
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| 15:49.46 | Skeeve | ??? What's this DTRemenak above about? |
| 15:50.11 | Erroneous | hmm? |
| 15:50.32 | Skeeve | DTRemenak|RDP has been voiced by ChanServ irc: DTRemenak|RDP is now known as Erroneous |
| 15:51.09 | Skeeve | And: Is Erroneous "the real DTRemenak"? |
| 15:51.11 | blast007 | RDP == Remote Desktop Protocol |
| 15:51.13 | blast007 | yes |
| 15:51.17 | Erroneous | someone had stolen my nick, and autorejoined when I killed him for it, so I had to identify first |
| 15:51.31 | Erroneous | Skeeve: use whois ;) |
| 15:52.00 | Skeeve | ~whois |
| 15:52.01 | ibot | somebody said is was the country code for iceland |
| 15:52.09 | blast007 | heh |
| 15:52.09 | Erroneous | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:52.18 | Skeeve | /whois Erroneous |
| 15:52.25 | Skeeve | ;-) |
| 15:52.30 | Erroneous | :P |
| 15:52.32 | Skeeve | Doen't work in Fire |
| 15:52.50 | blast007 | try in Water then |
| 15:52.58 | Erroneous | that sucks...how are you supposed to know who anybody is? |
| 15:52.58 | blast007 | or increase your magic level |
| 15:53.17 | Skeeve | Nevermind. I was jost looking because I'm still wondering when the /silence bugfix will be applied |
| 15:53.20 | blast007 | Wind! |
| 15:53.26 | Skeeve | Earth |
| 15:53.31 | blast007 | Fire |
| 15:53.37 | Erroneous | wind?!? it's air! |
| 15:53.50 | Skeeve | Earth Wind & Fire... They used to make music, right? |
| 15:53.54 | blast007 | what's the fourth one? heart? |
| 15:54.02 | Erroneous | water |
| 15:54.02 | blast007 | and then we all yell, "Go planet!"? |
| 15:54.09 | blast007 | maybe there is 5 then |
| 15:54.16 | Erroneous | heh :) |
| 15:54.45 | Skeeve | Elementals of Air, Earth, Fire and Water |
| 15:54.53 | Skeeve | This says wikipedia |
| 15:55.12 | blast007 | Skeeve: but look up Captain Planet |
| 15:56.19 | Skeeve | Okay. Marvel, right? |
| 15:56.31 | Skeeve | I never really liked Marvel Comics |
| 15:56.51 | Skeeve | But back to my question please: I'm still wondering when the /silence bugfix will be applied |
| 15:58.28 | Skeeve | Hmmm... I didn't want to silence anyone by typing /silence :-( |
| 16:16.07 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/CommandsImplementation.cxx: apply patch [ 1553395 ] fix for /silence command from Skeeve |
| 16:19.21 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/CommandsImplementation.cxx: apply patch [ 1553395 ] fix for /silence command from Skeeve |
| 16:19.36 | Erroneous | Skeeve: there ya go |
| 16:23.30 | Skeeve | Dankeschoen |
| 16:23.31 | spldart | An oxymoron if I've ever heard one :-0 |
| 16:25.39 | Skeeve | An Oxymoron? Like "Windows Works"? |
| 16:26.33 | Erroneous | bitteschoen |
| 16:27.35 | spldart | yes... just like "Windows works" |
| 16:29.01 | spldart | [aside] Oh the irony! I get off windows at work to avoid the trojan/virus thing all these muttonheads keep bringing in the lan and who ends up getting up from his work area to fix it? Me :( |
| 16:29.27 | Erroneous | why do you have to get up? |
| 16:29.29 | spldart | At least they didn't blame my debian install this time |
| 16:29.31 | Erroneous | fix it remotely :) |
| 16:29.43 | spldart | NOT I! |
| 16:30.02 | Erroneous | ... |
| 16:30.17 | Erroneous | you said you |
| 16:30.32 | spldart | I'm not going to set up to fix machines remotely |
| 16:30.44 | Erroneous | then you would not have to get up |
| 16:30.48 | spldart | I'm not suppossed to have to fix the lan at all... I don't get paid for that :( |
| 16:30.55 | Erroneous | then don't do it at all |
| 16:30.58 | spldart | I'm trying |
| 16:31.03 | spldart | Really I am |
| 16:31.08 | Erroneous | heh |
| 16:31.46 | Erroneous | install linux on any machine they ask you to fix :) |
| 16:32.01 | Erroneous | "there ya go, permanent fix" |
| 16:32.28 | Erroneous | then tell them to join #debian if they have any questions |
| 16:32.32 | spldart | I seriously considered it... But the learning curve for the low-brows in here would be very steep |
| 16:32.35 | spldart | LOLOL |
| 16:32.40 | Erroneous | :D |
| 16:32.55 | spldart | If the #debian guys found out I would never be forgiven! |
| 16:33.07 | Erroneous | make sure they don't find out |
| 16:33.41 | Erroneous | frame someone else :) |
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| 16:33.58 | spldart | I actually built a demonstrator server for this lan.. brought it in and showed them how great it would be... They didn't like it enough i guess cuz they built a new XP pro server instead |
| 16:34.11 | Erroneous | heh, speaking of oxymorons |
| 16:34.14 | spldart | Hrm.. who could I frame |
| 16:34.18 | Erroneous | or maybe just speaking of morons |
| 16:34.24 | Erroneous | xp pro a server does not make |
| 16:34.30 | spldart | INDEED! |
| 16:34.44 | PuMpErNiCkLe | Frame CBG. ^^ |
| 16:34.52 | spldart | ;-) |
| 16:37.49 | spldart | :-( |
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| 17:06.57 | hardwire | sup diddy's |
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| 17:25.14 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous, new guest spam, difrent format ( no LOL ) |
| 17:25.27 | Erroneous | aw |
| 17:25.33 | JeffM2501 | masterbot fourm |
| 17:26.07 | JeffM2501 | I'll leave it for you to see |
| 17:26.34 | Erroneous | ah, that one's my fault...deleted the user and closed the tab with one of his posts, couldn't find it again |
| 17:26.43 | Skeeve | Hi Jeff! Did you see my question about friendly Fire? |
| 17:28.40 | JeffM2501 | when? |
| 17:29.32 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't rico of players |
| 17:29.34 | JeffM2501 | we can't do that |
| 17:29.41 | JeffM2501 | not till shots are computed on the server |
| 17:56.42 | brlcad | anyone know off the top of their head what version of phpbb we currently use? |
| 17:57.57 | JeffM2501 | 2.0.5 or 6 ish |
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| 18:01.00 | brlcad | hrm, ok |
| 18:01.09 | brlcad | I just installed "Bad Behavior", but in generic mode |
| 18:01.14 | hardwire | JeffM2501: I've decided I am smart enough to make my own game |
| 18:01.22 | brlcad | will see if it prevents or at least reduces some of the spammage |
| 18:01.26 | hardwire | go ahead and laugh.. its ok.. |
| 18:02.03 | brlcad | JeffM2501 / DTRemenak: maybe keep an eye out and see if it seems like there are any fewer spammings over the next couple days |
| 18:02.27 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 18:02.38 | Erroneous | k |
| 18:03.28 | brlcad | if we want logging of what all it blocks, there's a module of bad behavior for phpbb2 that we can try out too |
| 18:03.48 | brlcad | running in generic mode, though, there is no logging |
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| 18:21.50 | JeffM2501 | hardwire, good luck, anyone who can finsih one has my respect |
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| 18:23.12 | hardwire | I'm not going to |
| 18:23.20 | hardwire | infact its a terrible idea |
| 18:25.32 | JeffM2501 | whatever floats your boat |
| 18:25.33 | JeffM2501 | food time |
| 18:25.47 | CBG | Water floats my boat, dunno what else would. |
| 18:25.54 | CBG | Custard, maybe. |
| 18:26.00 | brlcad | crap usually floats |
| 18:26.18 | CBG | But does it float a boat? I'd think not. |
| 18:26.25 | PuMpErNiCkLe | Beer. |
| 18:26.25 | brlcad | if you had enough of it |
| 18:26.32 | PuMpErNiCkLe | A swimming-pool full of beer. |
| 18:26.34 | PuMpErNiCkLe | And a raft. |
| 18:26.35 | CBG | Beer should work, yeah. |
| 18:26.53 | CBG | Wine, spirits, etc. Bakes beans, I guess. |
| 18:28.54 | spldart | I try to keep afloat.... In the endless parades of human debris... :( |
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| 18:29.06 | hardwire | odd |
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| 18:36.38 | Erroneous | even |
| 18:40.26 | spldart | prime? |
| 18:40.30 | PuMpErNiCkLe | pi |
| 19:04.24 | JeffM2501 | any fluid with a mean density higher then the boat would float it |
| 19:08.03 | Erroneous | then I suppose the question of what floats your boat, could be rephrased as, what is the mean density of your boat? |
| 19:09.16 | JeffM2501 | indeed |
| 19:09.23 | JeffM2501 | but it just dosn't have that special ring to it |
| 19:09.40 | JeffM2501 | ya know |
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| 19:15.34 | CBG | I'm still voting on custard. |
| 19:19.09 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous, so does 1.8 build on nix? |
| 19:19.25 | Erroneous | JeffM2501: ummm....no? :) |
| 19:19.48 | Erroneous | I think it does if you backdate it by a month or so before abort |
| 19:20.13 | JeffM2501 | then that splains like the insane errors :) |
| 19:20.18 | Erroneous | or maybe that was with gcc4 |
| 19:20.27 | Erroneous | it's really picky |
| 19:20.41 | JeffM2501 | I'm beting it's not worth it |
| 19:20.43 | Erroneous | I know I've had it fail to build before |
| 19:20.55 | JeffM2501 | the notes say it used to build under VC6 |
| 19:20.57 | JeffM2501 | it won't now |
| 19:21.02 | Erroneous | it could probably be straightened out |
| 19:21.15 | JeffM2501 | but would it be worth it? |
| 19:21.35 | Erroneous | wasn't there a reason we abandoned it? like...we didn't think it was worth it? :) |
| 19:21.48 | JeffM2501 | well, only CRS understood it |
| 19:21.51 | JeffM2501 | and dev was stalling |
| 19:21.56 | JeffM2501 | just like it is now |
| 19:22.27 | JeffM2501 | ugg old hud and fonts. |
| 19:22.29 | Erroneous | our problem is not that nobody understands the codebase now though |
| 19:22.32 | JeffM2501 | it burns!!!!! |
| 19:22.39 | Erroneous | you got it to build? |
| 19:22.43 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 19:22.46 | JeffM2501 | just looking at the data dir |
| 19:22.47 | Erroneous | ah |
| 19:22.49 | Erroneous | heh |
| 19:23.08 | Erroneous | if we pulled 1.8 back we'd need to do a LOT of synching too |
| 19:23.19 | Erroneous | and STILL nobody understands it :) |
| 19:23.32 | JeffM2501 | so time to swap to pybzflag |
| 19:23.55 | Erroneous | sure...got a windows build system set up for that yet? :) |
| 19:24.08 | JeffM2501 | I did at one point yes |
| 19:24.10 | JeffM2501 | it wasn't hard |
| 19:25.19 | Erroneous | that would need a lot of synching too |
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| 19:56.50 | Skeeve | Jeff? Still there? Sorry for not answering. We had a visitor |
| 19:57.13 | Skeeve | I wanted to know about friendly fire: Do your shots kill you when they hit you? |
| 19:57.27 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 19:57.39 | JeffM2501 | if its the same team as you it's ignored |
| 19:57.47 | Skeeve | They should |
| 19:57.49 | JeffM2501 | if I wrote it how I think I wrote it |
| 19:58.07 | JeffM2501 | let me check the test |
| 20:01.45 | JeffM2501 | hmmm. how would localplayer get it's own ID |
| 20:02.08 | Skeeve | I don't know |
| 20:02.19 | Skeeve | Shall I check? |
| 20:02.36 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 20:02.52 | JeffM2501 | was more of a question for 'someone(TM)' |
| 20:02.54 | JeffM2501 | but I got it |
| 20:03.37 | Skeeve | Do you know what would be even better: When you hit a teammate you die. not him |
| 20:03.45 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 20:03.45 | Skeeve | But that's just my opinion |
| 20:03.48 | Skeeve | No |
| 20:03.52 | Skeeve | Don't do it |
| 20:03.53 | JeffM2501 | there is a tkkr thing for that |
| 20:04.03 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/LocalPlayer.cxx: your own shots are still deadly to you in no teamkill mode |
| 20:05.14 | Skeeve | No more ideas from me tonight... I go fighting ;-) |
| 20:08.57 | hardwire | JeffM2501: I'm changing the model.. I've decided thats a good goal for my year |
| 20:08.58 | hardwire | :) |
| 20:09.04 | JeffM2501 | oik |
| 20:09.22 | hardwire | and applying some pseudo physics that don't change the gameplay.. just the model |
| 20:09.38 | JeffM2501 | there is the start of an extendable tank class in cvs |
| 20:09.45 | JeffM2501 | you could finish that off |
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| 20:09.50 | hardwire | explain.. need more input.. |
| 20:10.12 | JeffM2501 | I made the tank scene node be a virtual class, and then added a factory so that you could return derived versions |
| 20:10.16 | hardwire | I know I was going to adjust the static model and geometry manager for now as a POC |
| 20:10.17 | JeffM2501 | ones that have difrent drawing code |
| 20:10.27 | hardwire | nice |
| 20:10.37 | JeffM2501 | but it was just started |
| 20:10.40 | hardwire | I need to blender up a tank |
| 20:10.52 | hardwire | do you remember the extents of the tank model? |
| 20:11.21 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 20:12.04 | hardwire | :) |
| 20:12.34 | JeffM2501 | the verb would be blend would it not? |
| 20:12.44 | Erroneous | JeffM2501: yup |
| 20:13.07 | hardwire | so I will now blend a model |
| 20:13.13 | hardwire | and save it as .blend |
| 20:13.15 | hardwire | in blender |
| 20:13.26 | Erroneous | have a nice blend |
| 20:13.27 | hardwire | in a .gif'fy |
| 20:13.48 | hardwire | oh snap.. somebody is .png flooding me |
| 20:13.55 | hardwire | yeh.. caffeine.. I know.. |
| 20:14.11 | JeffM2501 | the tank obj file is the correct BZ size |
| 20:14.17 | JeffM2501 | so just keep it within that bbox |
| 20:15.27 | hardwire | I remember coding some swarm code for a screensaver a while back.. I may have the tank follow after the turret which is of course your viewpoint. |
| 20:16.09 | JeffM2501 | the tank itself turns with the viewpoint |
| 20:16.17 | JeffM2501 | oh you mean lag |
| 20:16.18 | JeffM2501 | I see |
| 20:16.18 | hardwire | it does.. now.. |
| 20:16.19 | JeffM2501 | fun |
| 20:16.49 | hardwire | I just realize that implies I know something about inverse kenimatics or however that is spelled |
| 20:16.50 | hardwire | which I don't |
| 20:17.08 | hardwire | so for all reverse actions I will assume the tank follow is adjusted .. reversely.. |
| 20:17.17 | hardwire | this is going to flop hard core |
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| 20:17.42 | hardwire | whats a pdpc? |
| 20:17.52 | JeffM2501 | peer directed projects center |
| 20:17.58 | JeffM2501 | the host orginisation of freenode |
| 20:18.18 | hardwire | is there a plaque somewhere with his bronze status? |
| 20:18.24 | JeffM2501 | what? |
| 20:18.27 | hardwire | nm |
| 20:18.28 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 20:18.30 | JeffM2501 | no |
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| 21:34.32 | CIA-3 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10PowerPainter/FontManager.cpp: int cast warnings |
| 21:34.51 | hardwire | whats opencombat JeffM2501? |
| 21:35.04 | JeffM2501 | noone can be told what open combat is |
| 21:35.19 | hardwire | http://sourceforge.net/projects/opencombat/ |
| 21:35.32 | JeffM2501 | that is but a shell |
| 21:35.37 | JeffM2501 | a dream within a dream |
| 21:35.51 | hardwire | will bzflag be ported to opencombat libs? |
| 21:36.05 | hardwire | ported.. rewritten.. |
| 21:36.05 | JeffM2501 | doubtfull |
| 21:36.36 | JeffM2501 | I do not see bzflag ever being ported or rewriten |
| 21:37.17 | hardwire | you seen the garage games engine? |
| 21:37.22 | JeffM2501 | I own it |
| 21:37.30 | hardwire | can you sell me a license? |
| 21:37.31 | hardwire | :) |
| 21:37.35 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 21:37.41 | hardwire | oh |
| 21:37.50 | hardwire | you don't own garage games.. you just own a license :) |
| 21:37.50 | JeffM2501 | you can't resell the license to the code |
| 21:37.52 | spldart | heh |
| 21:37.55 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 21:37.59 | hardwire | I was all |
| 21:38.00 | hardwire | wow |
| 21:38.02 | hardwire | that was odd |
| 21:38.07 | JeffM2501 | I have a license to use there source |
| 21:38.16 | JeffM2501 | that is a more correct term |
| 21:38.23 | JeffM2501 | tho techincaly yes I can see you a license |
| 21:38.24 | hardwire | it seemed pretty spiffy |
| 21:38.27 | JeffM2501 | 200$ |
| 21:38.31 | hardwire | :( |
| 21:38.33 | JeffM2501 | it's prety good in some ways |
| 21:38.41 | JeffM2501 | somewhat iffy in others |
| 21:38.51 | hardwire | the demos are fun |
| 21:38.52 | JeffM2501 | yeah I have a 100% markup |
| 21:39.02 | JeffM2501 | it's heavaly script based |
| 21:39.07 | JeffM2501 | there terrain engine somewhat sucks |
| 21:39.15 | hardwire | there was an engine that started with an N at one point |
| 21:39.18 | JeffM2501 | and there interiors are all just quake bsps |
| 21:39.23 | JeffM2501 | neverax |
| 21:39.29 | hardwire | nexus/nuxio/noohooha.. darnit |
| 21:39.39 | hardwire | not neverax |
| 21:39.47 | JeffM2501 | nexus was an engine as well IIRC |
| 21:39.58 | JeffM2501 | there are many engines out there |
| 21:40.14 | JeffM2501 | the simplest for bzflag would be quake 3 |
| 21:40.22 | hardwire | thats wild |
| 21:40.28 | JeffM2501 | not realy |
| 21:40.30 | CBG | We got engines in our cars, dunno 'bout you folks in the US. |
| 21:40.40 | hardwire | CBG: we run on bullshit |
| 21:40.43 | JeffM2501 | it's just a FPS |
| 21:40.44 | hardwire | crap.. sorry |
| 21:40.49 | JeffM2501 | hardwire, language please |
| 21:40.58 | hardwire | yehI know |
| 21:41.03 | hardwire | been booted form bzflag before |
| 21:41.05 | CBG | hardwire: oh, well, that's environmentally friendly I guess |
| 21:41.15 | hardwire | CBG: it doesn't smell like french fries though. |
| 21:41.29 | CBG | shucks |
| 21:41.34 | JeffM2501 | q3 engine mod for bzflag would just be moding the controlls, simple maps, and replace the models |
| 21:41.52 | JeffM2501 | and make all shots do 100 points of damage |
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| 21:57.24 | hardwire | hmm.. I didn't know about lilo |
| 21:57.27 | hardwire | thats pretty sad |
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| 22:16.18 | CBG | I suppose ya'll know that bzflag.org is a blank page.. ;) |
| 22:17.24 | A_Heart_Attack | lol |
| 22:17.37 | hardwire | it looks better that way |
| 22:17.42 | CBG | True, true. |
| 22:17.50 | hardwire | its also symbolic |
| 22:17.51 | A_Heart_Attack | lol |
| 22:18.00 | hardwire | like.. the white clean code of bzflag |
| 22:18.04 | CBG | lol lol lol ._. |
| 22:18.28 | hardwire | <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"><html><head><title></title></head><body></body></html> |
| 22:18.30 | hardwire | wow! |
| 22:18.32 | hardwire | it really is blank |
| 22:18.35 | CBG | Yep. |
| 22:18.45 | hardwire | not just a little whoops forgot to render you |
| 22:18.50 | hardwire | its a DTD standard white page |
| 22:18.59 | CBG | Hmm, there's a post 'bout it on the bzbb, some dude thinks it was hacked... |
| 22:19.07 | hardwire | yeh right |
| 22:19.14 | hardwire | my left toe |
| 22:19.14 | CBG | Unlikely, they wouldda said "hah n00b joo got hax0rd" |
| 22:19.19 | hardwire | indeed |
| 22:19.27 | CBG | Blank page suggests someone sneezed on the file. |
| 22:19.27 | hardwire | not something starting with a DOCTYPE |
| 22:20.01 | hardwire | I think somebody was placing blank files around to stop indexes |
| 22:20.07 | hardwire | and they.. stopped the index page :) |
| 22:20.25 | CBG | Nah, I'm still betting on the sneeze. |
| 22:21.06 | hardwire | somebody wanted to place it in all the subdirs.. and forgot to check for existing indexes :) |
| 22:21.15 | hardwire | you wanna do a little wager? |
| 22:21.19 | hardwire | whats your paypal |
| 22:21.22 | CBG | heh |
| 22:21.32 | hardwire | I am all about Sin today. |
| 22:21.39 | hardwire | I should cut back actually. |
| 22:21.49 | CBG | I'm all about saving for an iMac (and a new iPod now, too), so no wagers. |
| 22:22.01 | hardwire | my first sin of the day.. ordering another album from AllOfMp3.com |
| 22:22.16 | hardwire | Ah |
| 22:22.22 | CBG | you paid money for music? o.O |
| 22:22.26 | hardwire | I live in Alaska.. we get a cool grand for the most part from state revenues |
| 22:22.27 | CBG | Kudos, kudos. |
| 22:22.46 | hardwire | every year... on the dot.. |
| 22:23.18 | hardwire | this year its going to a bed.. next year.. property taxes (which is why it was developed as a program) |
| 22:23.29 | hardwire | and the year after that.. probably the most kick butt video card you can buy. |
| 22:23.29 | CBG | I'd take $1000. |
| 22:23.43 | hardwire | Who wouldn't |
| 22:24.00 | CBG | iiiiiiMac! |
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| 22:32.29 | JeffM2501 | CBG, sf has been moving some stuff |
| 22:32.36 | JeffM2501 | that's why the blank page |
| 22:33.26 | CBG | ah, ok. I did check out sf.net and it seemed fine. |
| 22:34.20 | JeffM2501 | there main page is not on the same server as our main page ;) |
| 22:34.40 | JeffM2501 | we are just lowly hosted project |
| 22:34.48 | JeffM2501 | not the might and glory that is SF |
| 22:35.04 | CBG | The world is twister, I tells ya. |
| 22:35.06 | CBG | bz > sf. |
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| 23:12.01 | javaJake | Hello everyone |
| 23:12.12 | A_Heart_Attack | hi |
| 23:12.35 | javaJake | I am trying to run BZFlag across two monitors |
| 23:12.39 | javaJake | In Linux |
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| 23:13.03 | javaJake | It'll run in MergedFB |
| 23:13.13 | javaJake | (MergedFB is an X configuration) |
| 23:20.40 | javaJake | Anyone? |
| 23:20.54 | javaJake | I know there's the bzflag -view option, but how do I use it? I've tried mutliple configurations |
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